Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on January 17, 2013, 03:51:06 PM
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link (http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html)
Some shockers in there.
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Are the fees just guesses?
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From memory, those fees appear to be pretty spot-on...
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Not exactly an accurate list.
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I do like how it pretends we never signed Fashanu though. I do the same.
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Couldn't see much in there that immediately grasped me as being wrong.
Shows the net spend on players undre Randy as £90m
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08/09 is the painful one.
Sidwell, Cuellar, Shorey, Davies and Heskey - 28m roughly for virtually no return from the lot of them. If anyone wants to know why villa fans don't like MON pointing them to that lot goes a long way towards explaining it.
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A quick persusal - I note that on 2 seasons we actually made a profit on our transfer dealings!!!!
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
It's all relative to the money he had and that lost cost us £2.25m, which was peanuts even 10 years ago.
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
Shouldn't Allback be on that list as well?
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Christian Benteke £10,000,000
Matthew Lowton £3,000,000
Ashley Westwood £2,000,000
Are these correct? Benteke was £7m tops, Lowton's was "around" £1m according to his family and Westwood was about the same wasn't he?
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Christian Benteke £10,000,000
Matthew Lowton £3,000,000
Ashley Westwood £2,000,000
Are these correct? Benteke was £7m tops, Lowton's was "around" £1m according to his family and Westwood was about the same wasn't he?
I think those maybe the total fees with add ons, which contradicts Bent, who is shown as £18m and not £24m.
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Don't think the fees are correct, but I thought we'd signed more than that
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Can't believe how much we spent compared to Spurs, especially under MON. What a waste!
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
I thought Johnsen was very good, and also came on a free from memory.
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
Shouldn't Allback be on that list as well?
what about Peter Crouch too ?
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
Shouldn't Allback be on that list as well?
what about Peter Crouch too ?
Wasn't Crouch signed near the end of the previous season?
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
Shouldn't Allback be on that list as well?
what about Peter Crouch too ?
Wasn't Crouch signed near the end of the previous season?
Yes. Still by sgt MKII though.
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Not only are many of the fees incorrect, but the buying & selling seasons are incorrect for many aswell. Mrs Unsworth came & left in the same season for a start.
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
The only decent one out of that was Johnsen.
Despite our current midfield woes, Kinsella was probably the worst midfielder I have ever seen in a Villa shirt.
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
The only decent one out of that was Johnsen.
Despite our current midfield woes, Kinsella was probably the worst midfielder I have ever seen in a Villa shirt.
That needed pointing out.
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I'd rather have Bannan than Kinsella. That shows how bad Kinsella was. Leonhardsen was toss, but he popped up with some crucial goals at times.
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SGT bought players like Leonarhdsen and Kinsella to 'do-a-job'. OK they weren't great, but we didn't get relegated.
Interestingly, these are exactly the type of players many (including myself) are advocating that lambert should sign.
While no manager is beyond criticism, I would be very very reluctant to critisize SGT (1 or 2) on his transfer activity.
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on kinsella, taylor wanted to pair him up with matt holland from ipswich (they played together for ireland).
i remember villa agreed a fee and matt holland rejected the move. ended up at charlton the season after.
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Mark Delaney £250,000 what a signing , compared to the Steve Stone one at the same time.
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Shorey,Davies,Beye. Money all wasted by MON.
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Interesting reading. It seems shows a clear cut-off point at which Lerner pulled the funding plug and went down the balance the books route, having realised O'Neill had pissed the pot up the wall.
The figures for players sold in 10-11 add up to 31m and not the 27.5m shown, which means the net spend for that year should be 1.2m. The net spend for the next two years (+21.7m-20.5m) combined is also 1.2m giving a total net spend of 2.4m since O'Neill left. I'm fairly sure we also got fees for Sidwell (1.5m?) and Lowry (500k?), which would make the net transfer spend close to zero over that period, assuming reported fees are accurate.
Contrast that to the previous three years where O'Neill spent 102m (net 70m, excluding the net fee later received for Milner) on 21 players. Of those 21 I'd say only maybe 8 (Milner, Downing, Collins, Dunne, L Young, Friedel, Warnock and Knight) became regular first choices. I suppose you could make a case for Heskey as well. Only 3 players signed in those 3 years (Downing, Milner, and apparently Knight) were sold for a profit. You can point to at least 7 (Salifou, Shorey, Sidwell, Beye, Routledge, Harewood, Davies) plus arguably NRC and Heskey, who were little or no more than a complete waste of fees and wages.
If he's got any sense Elliot Short will be keeping a the keys to the coffers well away from O'Neill.
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Mark Delaney £250,000 what a signing , compared to the Steve Stone one at the same time.
Steve Stone didn't really work out at villa.
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Mark Delaney £250,000 what a signing , compared to the Steve Stone one at the same time.
Steve Stone didn't really work out at villa.
couldnt believe we bought him at the time for that money
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Much as I love SGT, look at the following which is 02/03's activity:
Boulding
Kinsella
Leonhardsen
De La Cruz
Johnsen
I remember reading that SGT was reading through the programme when we played Spurs and noticed that Leohardsen on the squad list. He thought to himself that if he isn't playing for Spurs then he should sign him.
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Mark Delaney £250,000 what a signing , compared to the Steve Stone one at the same time.
Steve Stone didn't really work out at villa.
SS, like many we've signed over the years, always looked better for the previous team than he did for us. Two other good examples were Curcic and Thomson who both played for Bolton (IIRC) but were gash for us.
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Look at season 03-04: much as it pains me compliment O'Dreary about anything, that year he bought in four solid (if unspectacular) players through the team: Solano, McCann, Laursen and Sorensen. All of these were bang-on requirements at the time and did pretty well, really.
We could certainly do with the equivalent outfield players right now.
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What surprises me about this table is, whenever the club have spent more than they made in a season, the aggregate total is shown in black.
But when they've sold more than they have spent, it's shown in red.
But my problem is, I thought that if a club goes 'into the red' it's because they've lived beyond their means and spent more...you get the idea but that's what I've been working on! It's a bit of a facer to find that somebody else is working on another system entirely.
Whose side is the compiler on? And is this the reason I've never got the hang of accounts?