Almost every pass he trys is a 'Hollywood Ball', he looks much better when he plays it simple.
- it was his first time ball zipped into n'zogbia's feet that have him the space to play in bent for the first goal. Not many on our team can do that
Even when we've been battered, he's still looked for the ball and tried to compete.
He's still learning, but he's got technical abilty and movement, and he's a proper footballer.
He'll be a great player.
Intended to pretty much say what Clampy said. Last season Bannan was all about "hollywood balls" however this season under Lambo he's been much more disciplined. In so many league games he's kept it simple all while working hard. He's having a good season and the abuse is silly.
- it was his first time ball zipped into n'zogbia's feet that have him the space to play in bent for the first goal. Not many on our team can do that
This is the frustrating thing. We know he can do better but he needs to get the 'big time Charlie' bit out of his game. Some call for him to be sold while others can see a decent player in there that just needs fine tuning, starting with a bit of coarse tuning first..
Even when we've been battered, he's still looked for the ball and tried to compete.
He's still learning, but he's got technical abilty and movement, and he's a proper footballer.
He'll be a great player.
Even when we've been battered, he's still looked for the ball and tried to compete.
He's still learning, but he's got technical abilty and movement, and he's a proper footballer.
He'll be a great player.
Even when we've been battered, he's still looked for the ball and tried to compete.
He's still learning, but he's got technical abilty and movement, and he's a proper footballer.
He'll be a great player.
Completely agree. I think alongside a proper, combatative central midfielder he'd look sensational.
Even when we've been battered, he's still looked for the ball and tried to compete.
He's still learning, but he's got technical abilty and movement, and he's a proper footballer.
He'll be a great player.
Completely agree. I think alongside a proper, combatative central midfielder he'd look sensational.
He and Westwood seem to play well together and will surely get better.
I think people pick up on the missed passes and forget the good ones.
Did anyone else notice when he chased back in the second half, he didn't just whack it into the stand. He controlled, turned and beat the opponent. Quality.
I think it's great that we have a player who'll play the high risk 40 yard pass. And a 79% pass completion is pretty good considering.
If we sold him, we'd miss him
Does any current Villa player divide opinion in the way wee Barry does? People seem to either love or hate him and to be fair, I can see both sides of the argument. It's all about whether you concentrate on his strengths or weaknesses.
There is no question Bannan has ability, his control is excellent, he has that 'busy' style about him and he doesn't hide the way some of the others do when things aren't going well.
Unfortunately, those positives need to be balanced against his shortcomings. His physical stature means he gets bullied too much, I feel, especially in centre midfield where you need people to imposethemselves. His delivery isn't always what it should be and he has one of the least powerful shots I've seen from a professional footballer which means he isn't going to weigh in with many goals.
But above all, for all his control and possession, he doesn't 'hurt' the opposition nearly as much as he should. Its one thing to find a team mate, but I don't recall that many defence splitting passes or assists. It's not to say his vision won't get better with experience but you get my point.
As it stands, although I wouldn't start with him, he's certainly not one I'd be looking to shift on. I think there could be more to come from him as he matures.
Lets not forget that dead ball routines are practised over and over again in training. Whoever is taking the corners had been told to by the manager.
Does any current Villa player divide opinion in the way wee Barry does? People seem to either love or hate him and to be fair, I can see both sides of the argument. It's all about whether you concentrate on his strengths or weaknesses.
There is no question Bannan has ability, his control is excellent, he has that 'busy' style about him and he doesn't hide the way some of the others do when things aren't going well.
Unfortunately, those positives need to be balanced against his shortcomings. His physical stature means he gets bullied too much, I feel, especially in centre midfield where you need people to imposethemselves. His delivery isn't always what it should be and he has one of the least powerful shots I've seen from a professional footballer which means he isn't going to weigh in with many goals.
But above all, for all his control and possession, he doesn't 'hurt' the opposition nearly as much as he should. Its one thing to find a team mate, but I don't recall that many defence splitting passes or assists. It's not to say his vision won't get better with experience but you get my point.
As it stands, although I wouldn't start with him, he's certainly not one I'd be looking to shift on. I think there could be more to come from him as he matures.
I was a big critic of Bannan but have warmed to him in recent weeks. I also thought he has been putting in some decent corners in the games I have seen.
I repeat, statistically he 'hurts' the opposition more than anyone else in the team, not as often as I'd like but still more than anyone else.
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I repeat, statistically he 'hurts' the opposition more than anyone else in the team, not as often as I'd like but still more than anyone else.
According to Espn, he has stats of no goals scored and one assist in 18 league games this year. For a creative midfielder that's nowhere near good enough.
(Sorry if the quotes get mixed up here, trying to edit on a phone is a pain in the arse)
Quote from an Ipswich forum.
"I like what Villa are doing this year and hope they stay up....................... think that you have some good players - Bannan was a joy to watch.
There was a bloke behind me in the Lower Holte on Saturday who was giving Bannan such over the top dog's abuse every time he touched the ball that it got to the point that everyone around me was laughing.
There was a bloke behind me in the Lower Holte on Saturday who was giving Bannan such over the top dog's abuse every time he touched the ball that it got to the point that everyone around me was laughing.
Sounds like my dad. I think he's christened him Fucking Bannan.
Paul_e, without going round in circles, I think we are actually arguing the same point, mate.
Bannan has the ability, but I'd want and expect more than he's contributed up to now.
Paul_e, without going round in circles, I think we are actually arguing the same point, mate.
Bannan has the ability, but I'd want and expect more than he's contributed up to now.
Exactly the point I was trying to make. It took until the 46th minute for him to slide a decent ball through their (championship) defence. IMO he really needs to look at moving the ball forwards more often and quicker. What is the point in coming deep for it, collected it off Baker/Clarke to simply return it straight back to them? All it has achieved is the opposition have moved up even further to close Baker/Clarke or their outlets down. He should be collecting it and then moving it towards Zog, Albrighton etc who were the advanced midfielders, and moving forward himself for the return ball, or put a 30/40 yard ball into space for Bent, Gabby to run on to if the space is available.
When N'Zogbia is playing, he should take the free kicks around the edge of the box. He scored a few like that for Wigan and had a close one on Saturday. Bannan's passing needs to improve. He must stop hitting every ball with the ouside of his boot. Getting the ball on target must be his first concern, not flicking it around like trying to get it to bend.
I hate his floated set-pieces as much as anyone. But I think it is the managers instructions as Albrighton and Westwood have done the same at times. Shame, because when he whips them in, they look very threatening.
I still maintain that he looked his best under Houllier when we played some of the best passing football ever seen from a Villa team. Whilst he has been decent most of the time this season, he would still look much better playing in a better passing team like Swansea IMO. He probably needs to be a little more pragmatic with his game also and know when to play the simpler option. Look at a player like Cleverley who does this well. I don't think Cleverley is any more talented then Bannan (perhaps even less so) but he has managed to perfect an effective game.
Considering he has played what 50 plus games, he is going fine by me.
He gets in people faces and gets hold of the ball and has a go
As I say, some of his performances under Houllier were absolutely sensational. The passing, technique, vision, awareness, intelligence etc in some of them showed that Bannan does have the talent/ability. I'm not convinced that he will ever display his full potential here though (or anywhere) and it may be best for him to go elsewhere.
As I say, some of his performances under Houllier were absolutely sensational. The passing, technique, vision, awareness, intelligence etc in some of them showed that Bannan does have the talent/ability. I'm not convinced that he will ever display his full potential here though (or anywhere) and it may be best for him to go elsewhere.
Well, having watched Mister B again tonight, and especially considering this was against 4th division opposition, I have to say I've seen nothing to change my opinion.
You can throw all the statistics you want at me, he doesn't provide penetration or danger, he doesn't create anything, he has no bite in the tackle (oo-er missus) he has no pace, he can't beat his man, he gets caught out of position, he can't shoot and he's useless in the air.
So, apart from having neat control and flaying his arms out as he sprays another pointless pass to someone in no position to do anything with it, what exactly does he do for the team? Because its a mystery to me.
Well, having watched Mister B again tonight, and especially considering this was against 4th division opposition, I have to say I've seen nothing to change my opinion.
You can throw all the statistics you want at me, he doesn't provide penetration or danger, he doesn't create anything, he has no bite in the tackle (oo-er missus) he has no pace, he can't beat his man, he gets caught out of position, he can't shoot and he's useless in the air.
So, apart from having neat control and flaying his arms out as he sprays another pointless pass to someone in no position to do anything with it, what exactly does he do for the team? Because its a mystery to me.
He created almost all of the chances we criminally missed tonight. Delph is pretty much unpardonable though.I could hit our number 9's head with a golf ball half a mile away.
He created almost all of the chances we criminally missed tonight. Delph is pretty much unpardonable though.Really? Delph was one of our best players today. It was probably between him and Zog for our MoTM. Obviously that's not saying much considering how poor we were but still doesn't call for him to be made a scapegoat. He was quite incisive, beat a man, helped out defensively and played a lovely ball through to Benteke. I don't even rate Delph but he has been decent in some games this season.
Sorry but how many free kicks and corners is this shit going to waste before we change itI can't stand him. Think he's utterly useless and I've not seen anywhere near enough 'ability' to change my mind.
Totally fucking useless
I agree i dont particlury rate Delph but he held his line last night and worked his balls off. Why do we insist on having to put every ball through to fucking Bannon. Everything about him is grinding with me at present
Fucking useless twat just fuck off to Celtic although you would struggle in the pub league as well
A 35 year old ran the show in midfield for them last night - hang your fucking head in shame Bannon
Sorry but how many free kicks and corners is this shit going to waste before we change itI was going to say something like this as well.
Totally fucking useless
Sorry but how many free kicks and corners is this shit going to waste before we change itI was going to say something like this as well.
Totally fucking useless
How many corners has he taken in the last 2 years ?
How many of those have we score from ?
I agree i dont particlury rate Delph but he held his line last night and worked his balls off. Why do we insist on having to put every ball through to fucking Bannon. Everything about him is grinding with me at present
Fucking useless twat just fuck off to Celtic although you would struggle in the pub league as well
A 35 year old ran the show in midfield for them last night - hang your fucking head in shame Bannon
You can't have watched the game with eyes. The corners? He created the two chances for Benteke first half from corners which should have been buried. It was his cross for Benteke's diving header second half, and for Gabby's volley. He also demonstrably worked hard. As did Delph. Who was utterly, utterly horrible - no positional sense, no movement off the ball to give an option, gave the ball away cheaply in his own half and passed with fantastic accuracy, assuming he was trying to pass to Bradford players. But don't let facts get in the way of your agenda, though you might at least spell his name correctly.
I'm surprised by the stick he's getting for last night. He was'nt the worst player on the pitch.
I'm surprised by the stick he's getting for last night. He was'nt the worst player on the pitch.You are right, he was absoloutely useless and Bennett was even worse
All I can think is he's under instruction to get the ball to Benteke, who will then hold it up while the midfield floods forward. It would seem that rather than play the simple ball sideways/ a 1 -2/advancing triangle, he has to guestimate to within 5 yards of his intended targets predicted movement.
I think Bannan will only ever work out for us at the top of a diamond with an absolute beast master defensive midfielder behind him, bringing him in and shielding the defense.
I was just watching the Ballon d'Or ceremony that I'd recorded from the other day. The lad Miroslav Stoch who won the best goal award looks eerily like Bannan but with spikey hair. Can we not stick the real Bazza in the boot of a Datsun Cherry, drive him to Turkey and bring back the other better er...Bannan?
I was just watching the Ballon d'Or ceremony that I'd recorded from the other day. The lad Miroslav Stoch who won the best goal award looks eerily like Bannan but with spikey hair. Can we not stick the real Bazza in the boot of a Datsun Cherry, drive him to Turkey and bring back the other better er...Bannan?
Was he the bloke sat next to Pep Guardiola?
I think Bannan will only ever work out for us at the top of a diamond with an absolute beast master defensive midfielder behind him, bringing him in and shielding the defense.
I think Bannan will only ever work out for us at the top of a diamond with an absolute beast master defensive midfielder behind him, bringing him in and shielding the defense.
Agree with that, but is he ever going to contribute enough goals and assists to be a top player in that position?
I think Bannan will only ever work out for us at the top of a diamond with an absolute beast master defensive midfielder behind him, bringing him in and shielding the defense.
Agree with that, but is he ever going to contribute enough goals and assists to be a top player in that position?
I also think he'd be good in the 3 of a 4-2-3-1, either as a sort of inside-right or as the central one, or in the 3 of a Brendan Rodgers 4-3-3. Either way, as with the diamond, we do need a scruff-of-the-neck player to complement him and Westwood. Lambert appears to think that just because a player is good at some things you can overlook the weaker parts of their game and hope it'll all just work out. Bannan's not going to be at his best in any sort of midfield 2, to be honest, and if Lambert thinks so he's going to be quite disappointed indeed.
at the point that you say a player works as long as there is another player to compensate you have lost the arguement.
he gives the ball away too often it is that simple
at the point that you say a player works as long as there is another player to compensate you have lost the arguement.
he gives the ball away too often it is that simple
at the point that you say a player works as long as there is another player to compensate you have lost the arguement.
he gives the ball away too often it is that simple
Not good enough for Villa. Sloppy, lightweight, gives the ball away too much, and barely a threat in front of goal. 1 league goal in his entire Villa career when he's supposed to be an attacking midfielder, and that was a pen!
Na, not good enough. He's flattered to deceive for too long now. The sooner he's replaced the better.
I'm in two minds about him, sometimes he looks good, sometimes out of his depth. For me his big problem is not his stature or technical ability, it's that he is so fucking slow he makes Barry look like Usain Bolt. The Premier League is very quick and even in a team that, Gabby apart, is woefully short of pace, Bannan still manages to look especially pedestrian, with the acceleration and turning circle of an ocean going barge. I think he lacks that little burst over 5-10 yards that allows a player to get beyond an opponent or close down effectively. By the time he arrives the action has moved on. Westwood and KEA don't look much quicker either, which perhaps explains some of our problems protecting our defence by closing down quickly.
I think you are all wrong. I think when we stay up and the dust settles, he will be a great little player for us.
People always seem to dwell on the bad things he does over the good. I think Baz will always suffer this because people have made their minds up about him and he will always be shit to them. The kid that sits next to me calls him shit all the time but never acknowledges anything good that he does. I think that goes for a lot of people.
People always seem to dwell on the bad things he does over the good. I think Baz will always suffer this because people have made their minds up about him and he will always be shit to them. The kid that sits next to me calls him shit all the time but never acknowledges anything good that he does. I think that goes for a lot of people.
Can see what you mean to a certain extent. If you stuck him in a midfield with the likes of Milner, and Petrov and Barry he'd probably thrive, but in the present squalor he looks a bit of a luxury we can't afford like Ireland
People always seem to dwell on the bad things he does over the good. I think Baz will always suffer this because people have made their minds up about him and he will always be shit to them. The kid that sits next to me calls him shit all the time but never acknowledges anything good that he does. I think that goes for a lot of people.
Can see what you mean to a certain extent. If you stuck him in a midfield with the likes of Milner, and Petrov and Barry he'd probably thrive, but in the present squalor he looks a bit of a luxury we can't afford like Ireland
If someone can point out a single worthwhile contribution he has made that has created a goal, a chance or prevented a goal please point it out, because for the life of me I can't.
He has 18 months left on his contract, please sell him over the summer.
If someone can point out a single worthwhile contribution he has made that has created a goal, a chance or prevented a goal please point it out, because for the life of me I can't.
He has 18 months left on his contract, please sell him over the summer.
He set up Clark's goal up at Newcastle and was involved in the build up to Weimann's goal at Anfield. It's a lot more than Ireland has ever done.
It's a case of he's had a poor game, let's give him some stick. He was getting praise on here last week for how decent he was came on against Southampton. Short memories and all that.
If someone can point out a single worthwhile contribution he has made that has created a goal, a chance or prevented a goal please point it out, because for the life of me I can't.
He has 18 months left on his contract, please sell him over the summer.
There are a number of players who it is impossible to judge this season.
Bannan was utter turd today, but then again, he's one of the few players we have with a creative spark. With him, and other younger players, it's hard to judge them because the season has been so depressingly horrible, they're all getting dragged down to the lowest level.
If he were playing in a team with a bit of confidence, I think he could do very well, but he's not done that for a long time.
He was played out of position yesterday as he has been for many games this season - many games in which he's still managed to play well. He is exactly the kind of player that Villa fans will get on top of and see as a perfect scapegoat, almost no matter what he does.Both Xavi and Iniesta are very effective when the team does not have possession, in a way that our Barry isn't.
Don't get me wrong, we clearly missed Delph in that position yesterday, but the idea of playing Barry Bannan in a deep midfield two with Ashley Westwood defending a one-goal lead against, essentially, five Baggies midfielders is a mental idea, and it's hardly his fault that he was put in there. Whenever he's come on and played in an advanced role he's always looked more comfortable and dangerous, and that's pretty much without exception. It's all very well not having specialists, but he's not hugely specialised and limited in the way that, say, NRC is. He's good in the right environment and not so good in others, and I don't think Xavi Hernandez or Andres Iniesta would have done so well in that situation yesterday either, so removed is it from their natural game.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying Bannan is Xavi or Iniesta, obviously.
He was played out of position yesterday as he has been for many games this season - many games in which he's still managed to play well. He is exactly the kind of player that Villa fans will get on top of and see as a perfect scapegoat, almost no matter what he does.
Don't get me wrong, we clearly missed Delph in that position yesterday, but the idea of playing Barry Bannan in a deep midfield two with Ashley Westwood defending a one-goal lead against, essentially, five Baggies midfielders is a mental idea, and it's hardly his fault that he was put in there. Whenever he's come on and played in an advanced role he's always looked more comfortable and dangerous, and that's pretty much without exception. It's all very well not having specialists, but he's not hugely specialised and limited in the way that, say, NRC is. He's good in the right environment and not so good in others, and I don't think Xavi Hernandez or Andres Iniesta would have done so well in that situation yesterday either, so removed is it from their natural game.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying Bannan is Xavi or Iniesta, obviously.
What in your opinion is his best position then?
I think he's too slow to play just off a striker in a 4-5-1. He's a continuity midfield in a 3 but I still don't think he's good enough.
O.k but he has scored one goal in all his villa career and that was a penalty. He's played quite a few games for us now.
O.k but he has scored one goal in all his villa career and that was a penalty. He's played quite a few games for us now.
One goal (a penalty) in 57 appearances is pretty poor.
That's the scoring record of a full back.
He hasn't played many of those games as a defensive midfielder.
He hasn't played many of those games as a defensive midfielder.
He's played most of his games for Villa in a deep midfield two or shunted out to 'right midfield'.
He hasn't played many of those games as a defensive midfielder.
He's played most of his games for Villa in a deep midfield two or shunted out to 'right midfield'.
Even if he'd played EVERY game as a defensive midfielder, that's still a poor return.
How many goals do Busquets or Xabi Alonso or even Petrov score? And that's when they're specialists at the position.
How many goals do Busquets or Xabi Alonso or even Petrov score? And that's when they're specialists at the position.
Don't know about the Spaniards but Petrov was 9 in 186.
A lot better than wee Barry.
He was played as an attacking midfielder at Blackpool, with a return of 1 goal in 20.
How many goals do Busquets or Xabi Alonso or even Petrov score? And that's when they're specialists at the position.
Don't know about the Spaniards but Petrov was 9 in 186.
Prolific. Not least considering his previous specialism was being a goalscoring midfielder in Scotland.
How many goals do Busquets or Xabi Alonso or even Petrov score? And that's when they're specialists at the position.
Don't know about the Spaniards but Petrov was 9 in 186.
Prolific. Not least considering his previous specialism was being a goalscoring midfielder in Scotland.
Petrov played a less attacking role than he did at Celtic. He sat in front of the back 4 at Villa but he still scored more goals than Bannan. I don't remember him taking penalties either.
I remember him hitting the bar for them from about 50 yards out with a rocket.
A Tangerine fanatic at my old place said he played either behind the front 2 or on the wing.
I'd love him to make the grade with us (same goes for any player home grown) I just can't see it though.
I'm not sure how well James McCarthy would have done in that position yesterday. Or James Morrison or Wes Hoolahan.
I'm not sure how well James McCarthy would have done in that position yesterday. Or James Morrison or Wes Hoolahan.
Take your point that you don't think Bannan is a defensive midfielder, which is fair enough. McCarthy is a central midfielder so would have been fine in that role and would be a great signing for us. The other two you mention would struggle, although I think they are both better than Bannan in the attacking midfield position.
I've got a Scottish mate who stays away from the super tennants and rates him really highly, he reckons he bosses the games for Scotland, not there have been that many. He wants Rangers to sign him up now. That doesn't really mean anything though because when I ask him about the times he plays for Villa all he says is 'Don't know I only see him for Scotland'.
I've got a Scottish mate who stays away from the super tennants and rates him really highly, he reckons he bosses the games for Scotland, not there have been that many. He wants Rangers to sign him up now. That doesn't really mean anything though because when I ask him about the times he plays for Villa all he says is 'Don't know I only see him for Scotland'.
Being as it's widely known that Bannan is a big Celtic fan, I think your mate is going to be disappointed!!
I reckon Monty was possibly refering to me when he mentioned people who think he's made it as I've defended him a lot in the last year. The reality is I think the criticism of him is totally out of line with his performances and find myself pushing back against it more and more. He's a good option in the squad currently, but as an attacking midfielder. He'd be much more effective in the role Nzogbia has had the last few games as the main reason he doesn't have better pass completion stats is that he plays a lot more high risk passes.
I agree Merv, but curbing his instincts isn't the only problem with playing him in defensive midfield: he just doesn't have anywhere near the physical attributes to play in a midfield which is that deep and that exposed. I agree entirely that he needs to play further forward, and every time he has he's looked a different player.
I agree. It's hard to blame a player for not doing well in a situation he's so unsuited to. I think the comparisons I made to Hoolahan and Morriso were accurate.
Bannans no enforcer whatever that happens to mean nowadays,
but his height and stature is imaterial to the sort of player he is, we are not stuck in the 70's where every central midfielder has to be built like a Dave Mackay
if you look at world football today most of the best players in the world are 5 foot nothing
Bannans no enforcer whatever that happens to mean nowadays,
but his height and stature is imaterial to the sort of player he is, we are not stuck in the 70's where every central midfielder has to be built like a Dave Mackay
if you look at world football today most of the best players in the world are 5 foot nothing
Bannan is inconsistent, that might be a result of being asked to fill a variety of roles, but at his best he offers a spark that none of the rest of them do. The key, as ever, is finding the right blend to being out the best in him. I'd hope that we persevere with him.
Bannans no enforcer whatever that happens to mean nowadays,
but his height and stature is imaterial to the sort of player he is, we are not stuck in the 70's where every central midfielder has to be built like a Dave Mackay
if you look at world football today most of the best players in the world are 5 foot nothing
That's all well and good and would be relevant if Bannan was actually giving us performances worthy of the faith a lot have in him. He isn't good enough, and it doesn't matter how short or tall he is.
if you look at world football today most of the best players in the world are 5 foot nothing
example where he played 20-25 perfectly good passes and 2-3 poor ones and is being villified for giving the ball away constantly and being incapable of passing.
Our game fell apart when he went off last night.
I'm not suggesting he was personally responsible but more that we were a better team with him than without him. Despite that he seem to be be taking the most criticism, I'd love to know why Villa fans collectively hate him so much.
Last night was another example where he played 20-25 perfectly good passes and 2-3 poor ones and is being villified for giving the ball away constantly and being incapable of passing.
He did and usually does work hard and always wants the ball. Unfortunately as you say he gets picked up for all its mistakes by the crowd and is a target. Bringing strikers on and taking the supply line off was madness.
Our game fell apart when he went off last night.
I'm not suggesting he was personally responsible but more that we were a better team with him than without him. Despite that he seem to be be taking the most criticism, I'd love to know why Villa fans collectively hate him so much.
Last night was another example where he played 20-25 perfectly good passes and 2-3 poor ones and is being villified for giving the ball away constantly and being incapable of passing.
He appeared to make a few more mistakes than that, when he kept it simple with square balls across the middle then that was fine. However, anything slightly more complex than that & it was completely wayward & a waste of a pass.
Our game fell apart when he went off last night.
The problem with Bannan , yes , he makes a lovely side pass as stated and the odd long Gerrard type ball , but its when he gets a corner or a set piece , a chance to get an effort on goal and score, thats where he is useless and thats why the fans take note and give him stick .
Gerrard pops up with goals , creates loads . I know he not Gerrard , I wish but what I am trying to say is when we need Bannan to really hurt the opposition he is not up to the job.
it was stupid taking him off for another striker but we would never have scored with him on anyway , he has no penetration from his passings. .
He's a talented player who more and more I feel just needs to leave the club for his own sake. He's stuck in a rut here, like so many, but unlike so many he finds himself inexplicably targeted for invective and bile which is seldom merited. He'll be good somewhere, but not for us I feel.
He's a talented player who more and more I feel just needs to leave the club for his own sake. He's stuck in a rut here, like so many, but unlike so many he finds himself inexplicably targeted for invective and bile which is seldom merited. He'll be good somewhere, but not for us I feel.
We don't hear much of this these days "Who needs Barry when we've got Barry Bannan, oh Barry Bannan"....
He's a talented player who more and more I feel just needs to leave the club for his own sake. He's stuck in a rut here, like so many, but unlike so many he finds himself inexplicably targeted for invective and bile which is seldom merited. He'll be good somewhere, but not for us I feel.
Inexplicably targeted?
Ever seen one of his corners?
Thought he played quite well last night, kept it simple, no aimless long diagonal balls to no-one, kept it on the deck and kept the play moving, just like Petrov did in that position. The abuse he got was very harsh, he was/is certainly better than Ireland.
He's a talented player who more and more I feel just needs to leave the club for his own sake. He's stuck in a rut here, like so many, but unlike so many he finds himself inexplicably targeted for invective and bile which is seldom merited. He'll be good somewhere, but not for us I feel.
Inexplicably targeted?
Ever seen one of his corners?
I saw 2 in the first leg that Benteke headed just wide, or do those not count?
I saw a couple of poor ones last night and have said as much, how about you acknowledge some of the good things he does rather than make out that they never happen.
That game and the southampton match he put 5-6 excellent balls into the box and we didn't convert any of them, had we done so we'd be in a cup final and 3 points better off in the league, so lets encourage him to do it more often, rather than call him 'hollywood' and slag him off all game.
His accurate passes are played in our third,square or back to a defender,when under no pressure.He makes himself available again usually only in deep lying positions.Rarely does he support a forward player,rarely does he get in advance of his other midfield players,can't go round players,the accuracy of his crosses and forward passes is not above average,therefore he provides very limited attacking options.His defensive qualities are the worst I've seen ever in a Villa midfielder.The problem with Bannan , yes , he makes a lovely side pass as stated and the odd long Gerrard type ball , but its when he gets a corner or a set piece , a chance to get an effort on goal and score, thats where he is useless and thats why the fans take note and give him stick .
Gerrard pops up with goals , creates loads . I know he not Gerrard , I wish but what I am trying to say is when we need Bannan to really hurt the opposition he is not up to the job.
it was stupid taking him off for another striker but we would never have scored with him on anyway , he has no penetration from his passings. .
Short memory. He can rightly feel that he could've had 5-6 assists from the 1st leg and the southampton match, that none of them were taken isn't his fault.
I never known a player whose own fans are so willing to ignore everything good he does and make such a big deal of every mistake. He's treated like a pantomime villain (had to do it), but with "you're shit" replacing "he's behind you" as the chant of choice.
Next time he plays forget your preconception that's he's hollywood and gives the ball away 'all the time' and actually count the number of times he makes an accurate pass (or not). Then count how many times after that pass he makes himself available to get it back and give the man on the ball options.
The reality is he's a decent bottom half of the premier league midfielder, who will make a useful squad member if we somehow make our way back to the top half, nothing more but also nothing less.
He's a talented player who more and more I feel just needs to leave the club for his own sake. He's stuck in a rut here, like so many, but unlike so many he finds himself inexplicably targeted for invective and bile which is seldom merited. He'll be good somewhere, but not for us I feel.
I agree and think it's a huge shame that the same fans who voted Ireland player of the season on the back of some very mediocre performances with flashes of quality are hounding Bannan out for performing at a similar or higher level.
Why does he keep dropping to take the ball off the defenders toes? Vlaar needs to tell him to fuck off and play further forward.
I think it's been said, but the reason he gets so much stick is not only is he not good enough but due to the age of info, we think he is a class a bellend off the pitch
what does he do off the pitch?I think it's been said, but the reason he gets so much stick is not only is he not good enough but due to the age of info, we think he is a class a bellend off the pitch
No, people think he's not good enough because they think he's a class a bellend. That's the problem. He can be far from the worst player on the pitch and have done nothing wrong and people are still calling for him to be subbed because he's shit.
what does he do off the pitch?I think it's been said, but the reason he gets so much stick is not only is he not good enough but due to the age of info, we think he is a class a bellend off the pitch
No, people think he's not good enough because they think he's a class a bellend. That's the problem. He can be far from the worst player on the pitch and have done nothing wrong and people are still calling for him to be subbed because he's shit.
I think this thread is going down the wrong road by constant criticism of Bannan for everything that is going wrong at the moment at villa park, why blame a young lad when experienced pros are not performing any better. i.e. Ireland, Nzogbia, Agbonlahor,
I think this thread is going down the wrong road by constant criticism of Bannan for everything that is going wrong at the moment at villa park, why blame a young lad when experienced pros are not performing any better. i.e. Ireland, Nzogbia, Agbonlahor,
He's 23, so doesn't really qualify as a "young lad". The fact is he has been in and around the first team for three years now (I accept that he's not always been played in a position that suits him), but hasn't shown any discernible improvement in that time.
I think this thread is going down the wrong road by constant criticism of Bannan for everything that is going wrong at the moment at villa park, why blame a young lad when experienced pros are not performing any better. i.e. Ireland, Nzogbia, Agbonlahor,
Send him packing to Celtic his favourite team.
The SPL is his level.
Bannan might well not be good enough, he might well need to leave VP and start again, and if you dont rate him thats fair enough every one has the right to an opinion
what i just cant understand is the people around me last night and at other games as well were just abusing him for everything he did, even when he passed the ball to a Villa player it was the wrong option,
he could do no right, it was a semi final and we were giving our own player the same sort of shit i have seen handed out to Trevor Francis in the past, its pathetic
and i didnt think he played well last night even in the first half when everyone else did play well, i thought he was poor,
but the constant abuse is not going to help his game one bit, and all we are doing is abusing our own team, thats normaly the job for the away supporters
I think this thread is going down the wrong road by constant criticism of Bannan for everything that is going wrong at the moment at villa park, why blame a young lad when experienced pros are not performing any better. i.e. Ireland, Nzogbia, Agbonlahor,
Is the right answer.
I think this thread is going down the wrong road by constant criticism of Bannan for everything that is going wrong at the moment at villa park, why blame a young lad when experienced pros are not performing any better. i.e. Ireland, Nzogbia, Agbonlahor,
Is the right answer.
Not really, because he's not getting criticised for everything that is wrong, just the stuff which is his fault, ie the shit corners.
The entire team are getting criticised at the moment, it's not just Bannan.
Regarding Bannan and his shit corners, it amazes me how he has been allowed to keep taking them all season long. For me,another example of Lambert being clueless
He beat Anita in the air on one occasion, totally harris'ed the player off the ball
I think this thread is going down the wrong road by constant criticism of Bannan for everything that is going wrong at the moment at villa park, why blame a young lad when experienced pros are not performing any better. i.e. Ireland, Nzogbia, Agbonlahor,
Is the right answer.
Not really, because he's not getting criticised for everything that is wrong, just the stuff which is his fault, ie the shit corners.
The entire team are getting criticised at the moment, it's not just Bannan.
While it's true that the fair-minded are criticising him for the shit corners, there is a group of fans who will get on Bannan's back no matter what. Without naming names, there was an argument on here where one poster insisted that 'all he does is play hollywood balls to the opposition', and when confronted with statistics to the contrary still clung to his view. That's not really criticism, that's vitriol.
Using OPTA stats to back up an argument doesn't wash. Even I could pass sideways and backwards under no pressure in my own half and get away with it. He deserves all the grief he gets just for his diabolical set pieces alone. Some of us saw through the Bannan hype very early on, when others (naming no names of course) were still claiming him as the new Paul Scholes.
Hmmm.
I wonder.
Bannan to Blackpool, along with some cash, and a Blackpool midfielder in return?
Hmmm.
I wonder.
Bannan to Blackpool, along with some cash, and a Blackpool midfielder in return?
Well there's Tom Ince and Matt Phillips but they're both wingers are'nt they? Letting Bannan go would leave us short in midfield still. Can't see it myself but you never know.
Would Blackpool be doing any transfers anyway seeing as they have'nt got a manager?Yes the Oster family who own the club love a bit of ducking and diving and bags of cash
Would Blackpool be doing any transfers anyway seeing as they have'nt got a manager?Yes the Oster family who own the club love a bit of ducking and diving and bags of cash
Beach or bench?Hmmm.
I wonder.
Bannan to Blackpool, along with some cash, and a Blackpool midfielder in return?
Well there's Tom Ince and Matt Phillips but they're both wingers are'nt they? Letting Bannan go would leave us short in midfield still. Can't see it myself but you never know.
Bannan for phillips yes please.
wee barry will fit in nicely on the beach at blackpool.
Beach or bench?Hmmm.
I wonder.
Bannan to Blackpool, along with some cash, and a Blackpool midfielder in return?
Well there's Tom Ince and Matt Phillips but they're both wingers are'nt they? Letting Bannan go would leave us short in midfield still. Can't see it myself but you never know.
Bannan for phillips yes please.
wee barry will fit in nicely on the beach at blackpool.
Hmmm.
I wonder.
Bannan to Blackpool, along with some cash, and a Blackpool midfielder in return?
Letting Bannan go would leave us short in midfield
The trouble is with Bannan is he is always looking for that long killer ball, when he gets the ball he spends that long looking he has a opponent on him in a flash then he panics or dont know what to do and passes backwards, if he stopped trying for those type of passes (unless he's got space) and played shorter passes he would cut out his poor passes
(never was any good at football manager either)
Against Newcastle he played 4-5 first time passes out to the wings which were superb, but the 1-2 he got wrong are all anyone talked about.
Too many supporters seem to be waiting for him to mis-hit a pass so they can call him shit, rather than appreciating that he generally works his socks off and 4 out 5 of his passes are effective.
I personally think he was one of better players in that game, in both halves it was him passing the ball in front of them that drew the wingbacks/fullbacks forward and got them involved in the play.
I think he has come back into the side and done very well. He was very good yesterday, a little terrier in the tackle and showed a good few class touches. What do you do next though, drop him for Delph? I think he would be very unfortunate to lose his place.
Delph and Sylla will be battling it out for the same position, and given their individual propensity to pick up yellow cards we will need both through a season. Bannan is benefitting from the settled formation and finding form in the process plus he puts in a lot of unselfish work chasing down. Although to be picky, if he had stayed in the middle with Townsend instead of being drawn to the ball QPR might not have equalised.
In a funny way I blame and Bannan and Westwood more than Bennett for the first.
In a funny way I blame and Bannan and Westwood more than Bennett for the first.
I know what you mean about this. Having watched it over a few times, while it is a very weak pass from Bennett, I do think one of Bannan or Westwood should have had the assertiveness to go to the ball rather than simply leave it to each other.
Any way you look at it, it's poor play though.
In a funny way I blame and Bannan and Westwood more than Bennett for the first.
I know what you mean about this. Having watched it over a few times, while it is a very weak pass from Bennett, I do think one of Bannan or Westwood should have had the assertiveness to go to the ball rather than simply leave it to each other.
Any way you look at it, it's poor play though.
There was a fleeting moment's yes-no-yes between Westie and BB; brief, yet the sort of thing that generally precedes a run-out
In a funny way I blame and Bannan and Westwood more than Bennett for the first.
I know what you mean about this. Having watched it over a few times, while it is a very weak pass from Bennett, I do think one of Bannan or Westwood should have had the assertiveness to go to the ball rather than simply leave it to each other.
Any way you look at it, it's poor play though.
There was a fleeting moment's yes-no-yes between Westie and BB; brief, yet the sort of thing that generally precedes a run-out
I said at the time that I'd need to see it on TV to get a better perspective.
A couple of people by me were slating Bennett, I told them to watch it on motd, as they might see that although it wasn't a great pass there were 2 players who seemed to leave it to each other.
If we do manage to stay up this season, then we are going to have look at how we are going to improve and move the club forwards. In my opinion, Bannan is not a player who is going to do that, neither are the likes of Clark and Baker. It's no coincidence that when those players (and some of the other younger players) have featured together in the past three seasons for a number games, we have invariably dropped towards the relegation zone. The sooner we can get into a position where we are no longer reliant on them the better.
If we do manage to stay up this season, then we are going to have look at how we are going to improve and move the club forwards. In my opinion, Bannan is not a player who is going to do that, neither are the likes of Clark and Baker. It's no coincidence that when those players (and some of the other younger players) have featured together in the past three seasons for a number games, we have invariably dropped towards the relegation zone. The sooner we can get into a position where we are no longer reliant on them the better.
A point of view from QPRdot.org
Just back from Villa Park and need to vent. We completely outplayed Villa first half and but for some world class saves from Guzan and some bad luck we should of been 3-0 up. Done and dusted. Villa reeling. Villa's youngsters were chasing the shadows of our more experienced, 'better-on-paper' team yet they stuck to their guns, fought for their shirt knowing that the weight of Villa history was on their backs.
From the moment Bosingwa lost the ball, Fabio sat-off and let the opposition cross into the area and Cesar embarassingly stayed on his line, I knew the game was over. You can have all the talent, skill and speed in your side but it was painfully obvious that if you lack heart and a love of the shirt you are not going to succeed. Villa's desire and fight was commendable whereas our lack of hunger second half was disgraceful. Villa were a united front and we were a team of individuals each with his own agenda; only Townsend's exuberance of youth and Hill's never-say-die attitude deserved any credit for me. We have got to learn from this next time around. And by next time around I mean the next time we are in the premiership because it's over in my opinion. No more hired guns looking for a big pay day, no more veterans who make an effort but lack the desire - we need youngsters of the Villa ilk who understand that the shirt they wear on their backs means a great deal to multiple generations of people. We need players who recognize the honour of playing in the blue and white hoops. Not players who will be at home tonight dwelling on their next career moves.
The trouble with Bannan is that he's a Championship level player at best. He plays 1 good game in 5 and that's not good enough for the top division.
I still find it strange how we win 2 out of 2 with Bannan in our much-maligned midfield - also, clearly losing our composure against Reading when he came off - and people still berate him. I thought he was very good in the two matches - there's been a lot of (often justified) praise of Westwood for that astonishing 97% statistic, but to be honest I thought Bannan tried a lot more risky and attacking passes than Westwood (which might, of course, reflect their jobs - Westwood evidently did his really well), and made ground for us in many unlikely situations. He has done very well and people berating him after wins seem to have an agenda to fulfill more than a point to be made.
This said, I'm not even saying he should be first-choice: Delph, Westwood, Sylla and N'Zogbia stake various stylistic claims to a place, and Bannan's is one of those under threat. I would argue, however, that his performances have undoubtedly made him part of the argument. He is not fodder that we win in spite of - as if we have a team who can win in spite of a player not pulling their weight: he has helped us win the last two matches in no small way and should be recognised and respected for that.
I still find it strange how we win 2 out of 2 with Bannan in our much-maligned midfield - also, clearly losing our composure against Reading when he came off - and people still berate him. I thought he was very good in the two matches - there's been a lot of (often justified) praise of Westwood for that astonishing 97% statistic, but to be honest I thought Bannan tried a lot more risky and attacking passes than Westwood (which might, of course, reflect their jobs - Westwood evidently did his really well), and made ground for us in many unlikely situations. He has done very well and people berating him after wins seem to have an agenda to fulfill more than a point to be made.
This said, I'm not even saying he should be first-choice: Delph, Westwood, Sylla and N'Zogbia stake various stylistic claims to a place, and Bannan's is one of those under threat. I would argue, however, that his performances have undoubtedly made him part of the argument. He is not fodder that we win in spite of - as if we have a team who can win in spite of a player not pulling their weight: he has helped us win the last two matches in no small way and should be recognised and respected for that.
I still find it strange how we win 2 out of 2 with Bannan in our much-maligned midfield - also, clearly losing our composure against Reading when he came off - and people still berate him. I thought he was very good in the two matches - there's been a lot of (often justified) praise of Westwood for that astonishing 97% statistic, but to be honest I thought Bannan tried a lot more risky and attacking passes than Westwood (which might, of course, reflect their jobs - Westwood evidently did his really well), and made ground for us in many unlikely situations. He has done very well and people berating him after wins seem to have an agenda to fulfill more than a point to be made.
This said, I'm not even saying he should be first-choice: Delph, Westwood, Sylla and N'Zogbia stake various stylistic claims to a place, and Bannan's is one of those under threat. I would argue, however, that his performances have undoubtedly made him part of the argument. He is not fodder that we win in spite of - as if we have a team who can win in spite of a player not pulling their weight: he has helped us win the last two matches in no small way and should be recognised and respected for that.
I thought he was the pick of the midfielders up until the Jenas goal (frankly an insult to the world, having him score against us), at which point the team kind of went to pieces until we somehow dragged our way level on half time. I agree with you on the set-pieces - they're taking 'outswinging' floaters, and they should certtainly switch sides as we have good evidence that they're good, whipping crossers of the ball, given the chance - but I didn't think he was 'brushed off the ball' any worse than our other players (other than the frankly abnormal Benteke) - even Sylla got himself into positional trouble, and Bannan's tackle-completion rate was as good as his.
I can see what you mean about that flat three, but out of them Bannan was definitely the most forward-looking, and most willing to try risky things which might not work but often do. I still think we're a better team with him, and certainly a better overall squad. If only they'd get those set-pieces right, because Westwood doing the 'floaters' makes me think it's not just Bannan's initiative: it's a directiive, and a misguided one, plainly.
Paul Lambert: "I had a chat with Barry and he’s responded in a really good way – no problem."
Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert is glad to have Barry Bannan back on form
Paul Lambert has praised Barry Bannan for bouncing back from the disappointment of being dropped to help Villa achieve the winning double that has promised to save their season.
Bannan’s return to first-team duty has coincided with successive victories over Reading and Queens Park Rangers to lift the claret and blues out of the drop zone and into 17th place ahead of their next match at home to Liverpool a week on Sunday.
It followed a four-game break from Premier League action for the 23-year-old midfielder, who was an unused substitute in the victory over West Ham and failed to make the squad for the draw at Everton and defeats to Arsenal and Manchester City.
Part of the reason for Bannan’s omission was to overcome a slight hip problem that he picked up in training, but asked how the player had reacted to being left out, Lambert joked: “I don’t listen to him – I lock my door!
“No-one is happy when they are left out, that will never change. You need everyone pulling the same way. They’re all as important as each other.
“I had a chat with Barry and he’s responded in a really good way – no problem.”
Lambert felt it was important to rest Bannan to ensure the Bodymoor Heath academy graduate had the freshness to cope with the demands of his longest concerted run of first-team football.
The Scottish international has now made 17 Premier League starts this season, along with five in the cups and seven substitute appearances in all competitions as he attempts to build on breakthrough campaigns under Gerard Houllier and Alex McLeish.
Lambert used Villa’s increased midfield options, following the arrival of Yacouba Sylla and Karim El Ahmadi’s return from the African Cup of Nations in January, to take Bannan out of the firing line and he is pleased with his compratiot’s form since returning to favour.
“This is Barry’s first real sustainable season of being in the first team for long periods, then being taken out and being in and out,” said Lambert.
“Sometimes you need to do that to young players to take them out and give them a break – then put them back in and get the impetus from that.
“He needs to sustain it because every time there will be competition for places. As long as nobody is in a comfort zone – as long as there is competition – people will always try to hit their high performance.”
Lambert has been pleased with the partnership Bannan has formed with Ashley Westwood and pointed out some of Villa’s best league displays have been when the duo started together.
“Barry played really well,” he added. “I think that spell with Westy in there, against United and Liverpool earlier in the season, saw the two of them hit a really high peak of performance.
“Then the two had a little dip, we took them out, and last week Barry came in and he was very good.
“He has never been out of the reckoning. He got the injury a couple of weeks ago in training, a little problem with his hip, but he’s over it now.”
Did anyone see his twitter comments regarding being left out of the squad yesterday?
I heard that he made some disparagingly remarks as a consequence and walked out.
We don't know either way. It is possibly a fake account. It may be real but it could also be that wee Barry has reason to have his "headgone"... a death in the family or just old-fashioned depression, for instance.
If a popular player, say Benteke, had been accused in this way, everyone would just say "it's fake, what a load of bollocks". With it being a player who is currently out of favour it seems some fans want to believe the worst as an excuse to slag him off.
Would it not be worth waiting to find out the facts before acting as his judge, jury and executioner?
Some say I'm the scottish scholes, some say my left foot is the best ever. I drive when I want. PARODY.
Twitter and Facebook should have an age limit of 16.Twatter and Feckbook should be closed down. Waste of time. Just online gossip columns.
It's a fake account.Quote from: barrybannan25Some say I'm the scottish scholes, some say my left foot is the best ever. I drive when I want. PARODY.
It's a fake account.Quote from: barrybannan25Some say I'm the scottish scholes, some say my left foot is the best ever. I drive when I want. PARODY.
Said that 12 hours ago.... Nothing to see here, its all a wind up.
I don't really see why there's so much of an issue here.Agreed.
I want players at the club who aren't happy to have not played, better to have a bitch about not playing than to happily collect your money for nothing every week.
I don't really see why there's so much of an issue here.
I want players at the club who aren't happy to have not played, better to have a bitch about not playing than to happily collect your money for nothing every week.
no aerial threat.
I don't really see why there's so much of an issue here.
I want players at the club who aren't happy to have not played, better to have a bitch about not playing than to happily collect your money for nothing every week.
I think the issue here is that he thinks he is a better player than he really is and is not afraid to voice that opinion to all and sundry. Sometimes players should just keep their mouths shut and fingers away from Twitter and Facebook and stop thinking about themselves all the time.
If something like this had come from Bent for instance I could understand it a lot more as Bent has proved himself in the Premiership, Bannan on the other hand has done absolutely nothing so far in his career!
no aerial threat.
I've been saying similar about Guzan; he just doesn't seem to have a goal in him at the moment.
Michelle Keegans tits was the real 'issue' on instagram over the weekend...
I don't really see why there's so much of an issue here.
I want players at the club who aren't happy to have not played, better to have a bitch about not playing than to happily collect your money for nothing every week.
I think the issue here is that he thinks he is a better player than he really is and is not afraid to voice that opinion to all and sundry. Sometimes players should just keep their mouths shut and fingers away from Twitter and Facebook and stop thinking about themselves all the time.
If something like this had come from Bent for instance I could understand it a lot more as Bent has proved himself in the Premiership, Bannan on the other hand has done absolutely nothing so far in his career!
This sums the attitude up for me, basically it's bad because it was Bannan, not because it's bad. Any excuse to give him a bit more shit I guess.
We don't know either way. It is possibly a fake account. It may be real but it could also be that wee Barry has reason to have his "headgone"... a death in the family or just old-fashioned depression, for instance.
If a popular player, say Benteke, had been accused in this way, everyone would just say "it's fake, what a load of bollocks". With it being a player who is currently out of favour it seems some fans want to believe the worst as an excuse to slag him off.
Would it not be worth waiting to find out the facts before acting as his judge, jury and executioner?
it is bannan's instagram account. it is not fake.
and as much as i dislike the little scrote, the note is completely ambiguous and could refer to anything, so put the pitchforks away.
Twitter and Facebook should have an age limit of 16.Twatter and Feckbook should be closed down. Waste of time. Just online gossip columns.
Twitter and Facebook should have an age limit of 16.Twatter and Feckbook should be closed down. Waste of time. Just online gossip columns.
Oh no, Twitter has been comedy gold today in so many ways.
Would swap him for Routledge or Moore to be honest.Really?!
Would swap him for Routledge or Moore to be honest.Really?!
No worries, how can I PM you Dave?
No worries, how can I PM you Dave?
He only accepts messages on the back of £50 notes.
No worries, how can I PM you Dave?
He only accepts messages on the back of £50 notes.
Does he still work at Spearmint Rhino?
The abuse Bazza gets is shocking. I've had loads of rows with fans at Villa Park over it. I understand some don't rate him but it just gets personal. He is one of us and is worthy of being a squad player.
To clarify, most footballers are very rich and can afford expensive lawyers. So if anyone thinks that they have seen any footballers anywhere other than on a football pitch, can we leave it out of the public domain.Why? They know people will recognise them. If someone sees a footballer getting pissed the night before a game for example, who can do anything about it if it is posted on here.
To clarify, most footballers are very rich and can afford expensive lawyers. So if anyone thinks that they have seen any footballers anywhere other than on a football pitch, can we leave it out of the public domain.Why? They know people will recognise them. If someone sees a footballer getting pissed the night before a game for example, who can do anything about it if it is posted on here.
When litigation's suggested, I'm always mindful of the fact that Liberace (those of us of a certain age will know who he was) managed to successfully sue The Daily Mirror many years ago, even though it was eventually proven that what they printed was actually true.
On what grounds?To clarify, most footballers are very rich and can afford expensive lawyers. So if anyone thinks that they have seen any footballers anywhere other than on a football pitch, can we leave it out of the public domain.Why? They know people will recognise them. If someone sees a footballer getting pissed the night before a game for example, who can do anything about it if it is posted on here.
They could sue us for a start.
Slander, deformation of character to start off withOn what grounds?To clarify, most footballers are very rich and can afford expensive lawyers. So if anyone thinks that they have seen any footballers anywhere other than on a football pitch, can we leave it out of the public domain.Why? They know people will recognise them. If someone sees a footballer getting pissed the night before a game for example, who can do anything about it if it is posted on here.
They could sue us for a start.
The abuse Bazza gets is shocking. I've had loads of rows with fans at Villa Park over it. I understand some don't rate him but it just gets personal. He is one of us and is worthy of being a squad player.
Can't speak for others but for me he's frustrating. He's clearly got talent but he's prone to stupid mistakes (like playing a ball blindly straight to Suarez I think it was to put him through on goal), he tries to hit Hollywood passes too often when there is a simple option available (I always loved Petrov for his ability to play it simple - I always felt comfortable when he had the ball and he made us tick) and his attitude is questionable at times.
Better withdraw any posts about certain players / managers then.Slander, deformation of character to start off withOn what grounds?To clarify, most footballers are very rich and can afford expensive lawyers. So if anyone thinks that they have seen any footballers anywhere other than on a football pitch, can we leave it out of the public domain.Why? They know people will recognise them. If someone sees a footballer getting pissed the night before a game for example, who can do anything about it if it is posted on here.
They could sue us for a start.
The abuse Bazza gets is shocking. I've had loads of rows with fans at Villa Park over it. I understand some don't rate him but it just gets personal. He is one of us and is worthy of being a squad player.
Can't speak for others but for me he's frustrating. He's clearly got talent but he's prone to stupid mistakes (like playing a ball blindly straight to Suarez I think it was to put him through on goal), he tries to hit Hollywood passes too often when there is a simple option available (I always loved Petrov for his ability to play it simple - I always felt comfortable when he had the ball and he made us tick) and his attitude is questionable at times.
I agree Hoppo.
The 'Hollywood Pass':
Bannan is probably the one player we have who can play that sort of pass. I actually think he's got great vision to see these passes. No, They don't always come off, but, didn't someone on this forum say he's got a 70%+ completion on these passes? That's pretty good by any standard.
Yes, he can be frustrating, but we should want him to take that from his game.
We can't keep playing it simple, sometimes you need a player with the balls to try the big pass.
Give the lad a chance, keep off his back
When litigation's suggested, I'm always mindful of the fact that Liberace (those of us of a certain age will know who he was) managed to successfully sue The Daily Mirror many years ago, even though it was eventually proven that what they printed was actually true.He frequently successfully sued any publication that suggested that he was gay and as far as I recall, always won. He was a single man who on stage sat at a grand piano decked out with a candelabra, often dressed in a gold lamé suit and fur trimmed capes with coiffured hair who frequently spoke lovingly about his mother in a voice so affected that he would have embarrassed Kenneth Williams. He died of an AIDS-related illness.
The abuse Bazza gets is shocking. I've had loads of rows with fans at Villa Park over it. I understand some don't rate him but it just gets personal. He is one of us and is worthy of being a squad player.
Can't speak for others but for me he's frustrating. He's clearly got talent but he's prone to stupid mistakes (like playing a ball blindly straight to Suarez I think it was to put him through on goal), he tries to hit Hollywood passes too often when there is a simple option available (I always loved Petrov for his ability to play it simple - I always felt comfortable when he had the ball and he made us tick) and his attitude is questionable at times.
I agree Hoppo.
The 'Hollywood Pass':
Bannan is probably the one player we have who can play that sort of pass. I actually think he's got great vision to see these passes. No, They don't always come off, but, didn't someone on this forum say he's got a 70%+ completion on these passes? That's pretty good by any standard.
Yes, he can be frustrating, but we should want him to take that from his game.
We can't keep playing it simple, sometimes you need a player with the balls to try the big pass.
Give the lad a chance, keep off his back
Just wondering if you can provide any examples of his "Hollywood" passes that have led to goals for us this season?
The abuse Bazza gets is shocking. I've had loads of rows with fans at Villa Park over it. I understand some don't rate him but it just gets personal. He is one of us and is worthy of being a squad player.
Can't speak for others but for me he's frustrating. He's clearly got talent but he's prone to stupid mistakes (like playing a ball blindly straight to Suarez I think it was to put him through on goal), he tries to hit Hollywood passes too often when there is a simple option available (I always loved Petrov for his ability to play it simple - I always felt comfortable when he had the ball and he made us tick) and his attitude is questionable at times.
I agree Hoppo.
The 'Hollywood Pass':
Bannan is probably the one player we have who can play that sort of pass. I actually think he's got great vision to see these passes. No, They don't always come off, but, didn't someone on this forum say he's got a 70%+ completion on these passes? That's pretty good by any standard.
Yes, he can be frustrating, but we shouldn't want him to take that from his game.
We can't keep playing it simple, sometimes you need a player with the balls to try the big pass.
Give the lad a chance, keep off his back
Slander, deformation of character to start off withOn what grounds?To clarify, most footballers are very rich and can afford expensive lawyers. So if anyone thinks that they have seen any footballers anywhere other than on a football pitch, can we leave it out of the public domain.Why? They know people will recognise them. If someone sees a footballer getting pissed the night before a game for example, who can do anything about it if it is posted on here.
They could sue us for a start.
Not professional enough imo off the pitch, overrated on the pitch.
I reckon he'll be playing for Celtic in the near future.
Not professional enough imo off the pitch, overrated on the pitch.
I reckon he'll be playing for Celtic in the near future.
i dont think he is good enough for Celtic to be honest . Can see him at Blackburn
Bannan is the only midfield player who try's anything different. We were crying out for him off the bench v Fulham. As I said off the bench.. He shouldn't play every game but sometimes you need abit of vision. Certainly not knocking the kid but I don't want a team of Ashley Westwoods.
Not professional enough imo off the pitch, overrated on the pitch.
I reckon he'll be playing for Celtic in the near future.
i dont think he is good enough for Celtic to be honest . Can see him at Blackburn
Would swap him for Routledge or Moore to be honest.Really?!
The problem with Barry is that his first pass is always looking to be the last pass, the so-called Hollywood pass'. He's been able to do it once or twice but he thinks that he can do it all of the time. The difference between top class players and the rest is consistency. bannan is decent but will have moments in the game where his picked option is the wrong one. That then can drift into games. His possession of the ball becomes poor and he is one iof the reasons we are in the trouble that we are. he gives the ball away too often and then provides no cover for the back 4.
i'd like him to prove me wrong. Not because I have any particular fondness for him as a player, but simply that he is a Villa player. Its in our interests to have every player playing well consistently enough to justify their place in the team, and our place in the top flight. I think Bannan has had his chance and isn't good enough. If we are to go down though I think he would be able to do a job in the next league down. Not that I'd necessarily keep him though.
The problem with Barry is that his first pass is always looking to be the last pass, the so-called Hollywood pass'. He's been able to do it once or twice but he thinks that he can do it all of the time. The difference between top class players and the rest is consistency. bannan is decent but will have moments in the game where his picked option is the wrong one. That then can drift into games. His possession of the ball becomes poor and he is one iof the reasons we are in the trouble that we are. he gives the ball away too often and then provides no cover for the back 4.I think it's gone past that, regardless of relegation. He IS the scapegoat of the moment. I don't think whatever he does now will win over a large percentage of the fans and its best for all concerned if he moves on in the summer.
i'd like him to prove me wrong. Not because I have any particular fondness for him as a player, but simply that he is a Villa player. Its in our interests to have every player playing well consistently enough to justify their place in the team, and our place in the top flight. I think Bannan has had his chance and isn't good enough. If we are to go down though I think he would be able to do a job in the next league down. Not that I'd necessarily keep him though.
The problem with Barry is that his first pass is always looking to be the last pass, the so-called Hollywood pass'. He's been able to do it once or twice but he thinks that he can do it all of the time. The difference between top class players and the rest is consistency. bannan is decent but will have moments in the game where his picked option is the wrong one. That then can drift into games. His possession of the ball becomes poor and he is one iof the reasons we are in the trouble that we are. he gives the ball away too often and then provides no cover for the back 4.I think it's gone past that, regardless of relegation. He IS the scapegoat of the moment. I don't think whatever he does now will win over a large percentage of the fans and its best for all concerned if he moves on in the summer.
i'd like him to prove me wrong. Not because I have any particular fondness for him as a player, but simply that he is a Villa player. Its in our interests to have every player playing well consistently enough to justify their place in the team, and our place in the top flight. I think Bannan has had his chance and isn't good enough. If we are to go down though I think he would be able to do a job in the next league down. Not that I'd necessarily keep him though.
The problem with Barry is that his first pass is always looking to be the last pass, the so-called Hollywood pass'. He's been able to do it once or twice but he thinks that he can do it all of the time. The difference between top class players and the rest is consistency. bannan is decent but will have moments in the game where his picked option is the wrong one. That then can drift into games. His possession of the ball becomes poor and he is one iof the reasons we are in the trouble that we are. he gives the ball away too often and then provides no cover for the back 4.I think it's gone past that, regardless of relegation. He IS the scapegoat of the moment. I don't think whatever he does now will win over a large percentage of the fans and its best for all concerned if he moves on in the summer.
i'd like him to prove me wrong. Not because I have any particular fondness for him as a player, but simply that he is a Villa player. Its in our interests to have every player playing well consistently enough to justify their place in the team, and our place in the top flight. I think Bannan has had his chance and isn't good enough. If we are to go down though I think he would be able to do a job in the next league down. Not that I'd necessarily keep him though.
I wouldn't say he's the scapegoat - people judge on performance and if he had delivered the goods then he wouldn't be getting this stick.
Gabby was in the same boat but has got his game together and is now delivering - bannan has not.
Bannan is the only midfield player who try's anything different. We were crying out for him off the bench v Fulham. As I said off the bench.. He shouldn't play every game but sometimes you need abit of vision. Certainly not knocking the kid but I don't want a team of Ashley Westwoods.
Without having them on hand, I'd imagine Westwood's passing accuracy is comfortably better than Bannan's, didn't Ash have 90% pass ratio against Stoke? Bannan can't repeat that when he's doing his stupid hollywood balls that go out of play.
The problem with Barry is that his first pass is always looking to be the last pass, the so-called Hollywood pass'. He's been able to do it once or twice but he thinks that he can do it all of the time. The difference between top class players and the rest is consistency. bannan is decent but will have moments in the game where his picked option is the wrong one. That then can drift into games. His possession of the ball becomes poor and he is one iof the reasons we are in the trouble that we are. he gives the ball away too often and then provides no cover for the back 4.
i'd like him to prove me wrong. Not because I have any particular fondness for him as a player, but simply that he is a Villa player. Its in our interests to have every player playing well consistently enough to justify their place in the team, and our place in the top flight. I think Bannan has had his chance and isn't good enough. If we are to go down though I think he would be able to do a job in the next league down. Not that I'd necessarily keep him though.
I thought he was atrocious against Liverpool and I'm a Bannan fan.The problem with Barry is that his first pass is always looking to be the last pass, the so-called Hollywood pass'. He's been able to do it once or twice but he thinks that he can do it all of the time. The difference between top class players and the rest is consistency. bannan is decent but will have moments in the game where his picked option is the wrong one. That then can drift into games. His possession of the ball becomes poor and he is one iof the reasons we are in the trouble that we are. he gives the ball away too often and then provides no cover for the back 4.
i'd like him to prove me wrong. Not because I have any particular fondness for him as a player, but simply that he is a Villa player. Its in our interests to have every player playing well consistently enough to justify their place in the team, and our place in the top flight. I think Bannan has had his chance and isn't good enough. If we are to go down though I think he would be able to do a job in the next league down. Not that I'd necessarily keep him though.
Not often I agree with you Peter but you are bang on there I think regarding Bannan.
What's interesting to me is why he's fallen out of favour again. He didn' make the 18 against Man. City and Arsenal remember and then came in from the cold to start and play his part in the wins v Reading and QPR.
His Liverpool performance wasn't the worst I've seen from him so surprised he can't even make the 18 again unless he's been showing the wrong attitude in training.
I thought he was atrocious against Liverpool and I'm a Bannan fan.The problem with Barry is that his first pass is always looking to be the last pass, the so-called Hollywood pass'. He's been able to do it once or twice but he thinks that he can do it all of the time. The difference between top class players and the rest is consistency. bannan is decent but will have moments in the game where his picked option is the wrong one. That then can drift into games. His possession of the ball becomes poor and he is one iof the reasons we are in the trouble that we are. he gives the ball away too often and then provides no cover for the back 4.
i'd like him to prove me wrong. Not because I have any particular fondness for him as a player, but simply that he is a Villa player. Its in our interests to have every player playing well consistently enough to justify their place in the team, and our place in the top flight. I think Bannan has had his chance and isn't good enough. If we are to go down though I think he would be able to do a job in the next league down. Not that I'd necessarily keep him though.
Not often I agree with you Peter but you are bang on there I think regarding Bannan.
What's interesting to me is why he's fallen out of favour again. He didn' make the 18 against Man. City and Arsenal remember and then came in from the cold to start and play his part in the wins v Reading and QPR.
His Liverpool performance wasn't the worst I've seen from him so surprised he can't even make the 18 again unless he's been showing the wrong attitude in training.
I think you may be spot on regarding his attitude.
I thought he was atrocious against Liverpool and I'm a Bannan fan.The problem with Barry is that his first pass is always looking to be the last pass, the so-called Hollywood pass'. He's been able to do it once or twice but he thinks that he can do it all of the time. The difference between top class players and the rest is consistency. bannan is decent but will have moments in the game where his picked option is the wrong one. That then can drift into games. His possession of the ball becomes poor and he is one iof the reasons we are in the trouble that we are. he gives the ball away too often and then provides no cover for the back 4.
i'd like him to prove me wrong. Not because I have any particular fondness for him as a player, but simply that he is a Villa player. Its in our interests to have every player playing well consistently enough to justify their place in the team, and our place in the top flight. I think Bannan has had his chance and isn't good enough. If we are to go down though I think he would be able to do a job in the next league down. Not that I'd necessarily keep him though.
Not often I agree with you Peter but you are bang on there I think regarding Bannan.
What's interesting to me is why he's fallen out of favour again. He didn' make the 18 against Man. City and Arsenal remember and then came in from the cold to start and play his part in the wins v Reading and QPR.
His Liverpool performance wasn't the worst I've seen from him so surprised he can't even make the 18 again unless he's been showing the wrong attitude in training.
I think you may be spot on regarding his attitude.
What's interesting to me is why he's fallen out of favour again. He didn' make the 18 against Man. City and Arsenal remember and then came in from the cold to start and play his part in the wins v Reading and QPR.
His Liverpool performance wasn't the worst I've seen from him so surprised he can't even make the 18 again unless he's been showing the wrong attitude in training.
Its seem to me that PL really looks at the work put into the training session and picks the players that he thinks are fit, training well and raring to go. If Bannan isnt really in the zone then he wouldn't get a look in until he does. I would like to think that anyway
Its seem to me that PL really looks at the work put into the training session and picks the players that he thinks are fit, training well and raring to go. If Bannan isnt really in the zone then he wouldn't get a look in until he does. I would like to think that anyway
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I think Barry's time has passed. He's just not good enough for this level. I know he's got good technique but he's not got enough else to his game. Lets face it, if Whittingham has been plying his trade in the championship for 5-6 years now despite having excellent technical ability, then BB is probably headed there now. Whitts is a much better player too. He's developed into a decent player and he'll do very well in the top flight next season I think.
For me, Barry's delivery isn't good enough. For someone who has the ability to pick someone out and ping a perfect 60 yard pass, you'd expect his success ratio to be better. His set pieces are a constant disappointment too. For him to succeed without being physically the biggest, or the quickest he's got to be making more happen. Beckham would score half a dozen a season or so at Utd, sometimes double figures. He'd get 10-20 assists normally too. Again he wasn't reliant on pace. Granted physically he was very fit, and quite strong too.
Bannan's had his chance at this level and I'm afraid it's not for him. He's had some good games this season. Mostly he's been anonymous. How many goals? How many assists? Not nearly enough for someone who's supposed to be creative. The occasionaly hollywood ball doesn't a good player make.
If you're rating his season you'd say it's been a 5/10.
I think Barry's time has passed. He's just not good enough for this level. I know he's got good technique but he's not got enough else to his game. Lets face it, if Whittingham has been plying his trade in the championship for 5-6 years now despite having excellent technical ability, then BB is probably headed there now. Whitts is a much better player too. He's developed into a decent player and he'll do very well in the top flight next season I think.
For me, Barry's delivery isn't good enough. For someone who has the ability to pick someone out and ping a perfect 60 yard pass, you'd expect his success ratio to be better. His set pieces are a constant disappointment too. For him to succeed without being physically the biggest, or the quickest he's got to be making more happen. Beckham would score half a dozen a season or so at Utd, sometimes double figures. He'd get 10-20 assists normally too. Again he wasn't reliant on pace. Granted physically he was very fit, and quite strong too.
Bannan's had his chance at this level and I'm afraid it's not for him. He's had some good games this season. Mostly he's been anonymous. How many goals? How many assists? Not nearly enough for someone who's supposed to be creative. The occasionaly hollywood ball doesn't a good player make.
If you're rating his season you'd say it's been a 5/10.
I think this is a fair assessment. I wouldn't be averse to keeping him around another season just for squad depth (as I doubt he's on much money) but agree that his future is probably in the championship/with Celtic.
I would love to be proven wrong though - if he could pull off assists like that huuuge crossfield pass to Albrighton a couple of years ago on a regular basis he'd be a real weapon.
One thing which he can do, and what is sorely needed in our current set up, is to change the tempo of our passing. We knock the ball around a lot now, to the joy of those who like this kind of thing and the distraction of those who do not, but the pace is usually constant. BB has this in his locker, to use the vernacular, but he also has a tendency to be way off the opposition player he is supposed to be marking. I don't think this is laziness, as he puts plenty of effort in, or lack of interest, but we cannot carry any passengers.
I am fairly sure that PL would dearly like to have a BB at his full potential and has given the lad plenty of opportunity. I am even surer that if he does let him go, it will have very little to do with a section of our support's disgruntlement.
That is a fair point. The thing about the Pirlo type quarterback role too, is that it's actually quite rare, and certainly there's few players around, if any, who do that role as effectively. Even Beckham was occasionally touted to adopt a similar role but was never as effective in it.One thing which he can do, and what is sorely needed in our current set up, is to change the tempo of our passing. We knock the ball around a lot now, to the joy of those who like this kind of thing and the distraction of those who do not, but the pace is usually constant. BB has this in his locker, to use the vernacular, but he also has a tendency to be way off the opposition player he is supposed to be marking. I don't think this is laziness, as he puts plenty of effort in, or lack of interest, but we cannot carry any passengers.
I am fairly sure that PL would dearly like to have a BB at his full potential and has given the lad plenty of opportunity. I am even surer that if he does let him go, it will have very little to do with a section of our support's disgruntlement.
I agree with this bit, which is why I'd like to see him have 5-6 games in a row in the more attacking role. In the deeper role his concentration defensively lets him down along with his willingness to play it a bit riskier, he also passes to space rather than feet, which is much more suitable higher up the pitch.
The biggest problem is that someone got the idea of being a Pirlo style 'quarterback' into his head and he's been trying to fill that role for a few years (and both Lambert and TSM seem to have encouraged it)
I can see him heading to somewhere like Middlesborough
I can see him heading to somewhere like Middlesborough
Apparently that's where you go to win things.
Yes he should have a word with Southgate. That is if Gareth has free time after counting his medals!I can see him heading to somewhere like Middlesborough
Apparently that's where you go to win things.
I'm in a minority that thinks he's a good footballer so I'll be disapointed to see him go. Maybe a new club will do him good because there's a decent player there somewhere.
I'm in a minority that thinks he's a good footballer so I'll be disapointed to see him go. Maybe a new club will do him good because there's a decent player there somewhere.
I'm in a minority that thinks he's a good footballer so I'll be disapointed to see him go. Maybe a new club will do him good because there's a decent player there somewhere.
I'm in a minority that thinks he's a good footballer so I'll be disapointed to see him go. Maybe a new club will do him good because there's a decent player there somewhere.
Me too mate.
I hope wherever he goes that the women are more to his liking.Newcastle then!
I will not be sorry to see him go. Never will be good enough for the premier league. Career in the top half of championship me thinks.Agree with this.BB has too many crucial weaknesses,lack of pace,hence inability to go past opponents and track back,and poor physical strength with a lack of bravery which means he offers no defensive support to others.
PL has, perhaps because he had to, given all the squad a chance and I thnk his judgement is spot on.
Maybe Palace. Hollaway took him on loan at Blackpool after all.The Davis approach could well work for him. Go and look very good for a Scot side and then come back to the Prem. Again, whether he'd cut it second time around is anyone's guess. That said, Davis did more in a Villa shirt than Barry Bannan has/had.
I still reckon Celtic is the smart move.
Maybe Palace. Hollaway took him on loan at Blackpool after all.
I still reckon Celtic is the smart move.
He might have the ability to pick out a long pass, and have decent feet and good touch, but that's not enough to be good enough at this level.
Bannan just gets lost in matches. He goes to sleep too often. It's a bit like Ireland too. He has a good amount of ability, but not the application to match. I also think there's possibly a hint, and others have picked up on this, that Barry suffers slightly from Billy big bollocks syndrome. His size shouldn't necessarily be a problem if he was a bit smarter and more considered with his decision making. He could have done a hell of a lot more too, to work on his strength and stamina, because he's also lacking in pace, which might also have made up for his lack of physical presence. I don't think he's as good as Pete Whittingham either to be honest.
I think he needs to drop down a division, maybe two. Really try and develop his game and stand out. In Whitts case it's worked, and actually to be fair to Whittingham, his return to the Premiership has been a long time coming. He's stayed pretty loyal to Cardiff, who've regularly looked like making it, only to fall in the final weeks.
The biggest disappointment for me regarding BB though, is his set piece delivery. For someone who's supposed to have wand of a left foot, his delivery is regularly piss poor. I mean absolutely fucking dire. That's one area where Whitt's would wipe the floor with him too, he's got much better delivery. He's also stronger and fitter.
I hope for BB's sake that when he moves, he really wakes up and applies himself. His career could drift into nothing if he doesn't try and improve his game dramatically. There's some good raw materials there, but at 23 (nearly 24) it's time for him to be establishing himself. Personally he's better off taking the drop and playing regularly. Even if he gets a move to another Prem club (unlikely) he'll be in and out the side.
Maybe Palace. Hollaway took him on loan at Blackpool after all.
I still reckon Celtic is the smart move.
He did but he didnt take him when he got Blackpool promoted and I'd be surprised if he came in for him now.
May be interested in the Fonz though.
I reckon somewhere like leicester or derby would suit bannan maybe.
Maybe Palace. Hollaway took him on loan at Blackpool after all.
I still reckon Celtic is the smart move.
He did but he didnt take him when he got Blackpool promoted and I'd be surprised if he came in for him now.
May be interested in the Fonz though.
I reckon somewhere like leicester or derby would suit bannan maybe.
He was playing for us regularly in 10/11, Houllier certainly rated him. Bannan's career would've probably progressed a bit more if GH had stayed or say Martinez had come in instead of TSM.
That was whilst Gary Mac was running things wasn't it. Maybe he didn't rate BB as much as Houllier. That said, even though Barry played a fair amount for GH, he never really found a level of consistency. Albrighton was more consistent under Houllier IMO.Maybe Palace. Hollaway took him on loan at Blackpool after all.
I still reckon Celtic is the smart move.
He did but he didnt take him when he got Blackpool promoted and I'd be surprised if he came in for him now.
May be interested in the Fonz though.
I reckon somewhere like leicester or derby would suit bannan maybe.
He was playing for us regularly in 10/11, Houllier certainly rated him. Bannan's career would've probably progressed a bit more if GH had stayed or say Martinez had come in instead of TSM.
He was sent out on loan to Leeds in 10/11.
Bannan's biggest problem is that he too often passes to the opposition.
That was whilst Gary Mac was running things wasn't it. Maybe he didn't rate BB as much as Houllier. That said, even though Barry played a fair amount for GH, he never really found a level of consistency. Albrighton was more consistent under Houllier IMO.Maybe Palace. Hollaway took him on loan at Blackpool after all.
I still reckon Celtic is the smart move.
He did but he didnt take him when he got Blackpool promoted and I'd be surprised if he came in for him now.
May be interested in the Fonz though.
I reckon somewhere like leicester or derby would suit bannan maybe.
He was playing for us regularly in 10/11, Houllier certainly rated him. Bannan's career would've probably progressed a bit more if GH had stayed or say Martinez had come in instead of TSM.
He was sent out on loan to Leeds in 10/11.
That was whilst Gary Mac was running things wasn't it. Maybe he didn't rate BB as much as Houllier. That said, even though Barry played a fair amount for GH, he never really found a level of consistency. Albrighton was more consistent under Houllier IMO.Maybe Palace. Hollaway took him on loan at Blackpool after all.
I still reckon Celtic is the smart move.
He did but he didnt take him when he got Blackpool promoted and I'd be surprised if he came in for him now.
May be interested in the Fonz though.
I reckon somewhere like leicester or derby would suit bannan maybe.
He was playing for us regularly in 10/11, Houllier certainly rated him. Bannan's career would've probably progressed a bit more if GH had stayed or say Martinez had come in instead of TSM.
He was sent out on loan to Leeds in 10/11.
Nope, he was sent on loan early March and GH was taken ill late April.
I was pointing out that he didn't play regularly for us in 10/11. He started about 12 games and had another half dozen sub appearances.That could also be in part why he seemed to look more impressive then. Under longer scrutiny in the following season, he never had any consistency. Granted not many did in McLeish. Still, it's fair to say BB has had more than enough chance under the last two managers to shine.
Bloody hell, completely forgot about Bradley! lol.
If I were Barry I would be eyeing a move to La Liga club.
If I were Barry I would be eyeing a move to La Liga club.
And this is where some statistics fall apart,as the majority of his passes are played,usually under no pressure,to a nearby player deep in our half.It's when he's under pressure that Bannan becomes uncomfortable .The accuracy of his passing under pressure does not compare to Westwood nor even Lowton and he rarely utilises a one-two to go past an opponent ,whereas Lowton uses that skill to great effect.Bannan's biggest problem is that he too often passes to the opposition.
but statistically that's not true, he gives the ball away about as much as all but the top 15-20 midfielders in the league. It's more that when he does give the ball away his game falls apart for a few minutes so he normally makes a few more mistakes and looks terrible. When he's not in a flurry of bad passing he's a better 'forward' passer than the rest of the squad. I do get why people slate his passing but it just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
I keep saying that Bannan's problem is he is one paced, and his one pace is very slow. You need a change of pace to close players down quickly, or skip away from them with the ball. Some small players like Silva are light on their feet and seem to just float and dart around the park. Bannan plods around like a christmas pudding by comparison.
The hollywood thing is a myth too as he doesn't try it as often as some think. The problem is that we all know he can do it but he hasn't been able to duplicate that pass at Fulham. What kills him is other parts of his game where he should have improved and hasn't. That's what drives people nuts e.g utterly bollocks set pieces especially when he insists on taking them all.
I keep saying that Bannan's problem is he is one paced, and his one pace is very slow. You need a change of pace to close players down quickly, or skip away from them with the ball. Some small players like Silva are light on their feet and seem to just float and dart around the park. Bannan plods around like a christmas pudding by comparison.It's just hollywood ball after hollywood ball now
Rumours coming from Leicester end .
Interested in wee Barry
The Reading and Sunderland ones we scored from were floaty and slow (I realise Westwood took them). I think the idea is that if we put them about level with the Holte End balcony wall only Benteke can reach them.
For corners 'floaty' tends to be the default if you've not got someone who will make themselves a target as you tend to just hang them in and hope someone gets up high. If you fizz them across and no one really goes for it the ball goes straight out the other side and you look a mug.
Young is a perfect example. When Laursen was around (and Cahill to an extent) he drilled corners, but after they'd gone his corners just got more floated because no one was dominating the box. That same issue has just continued because we've still not got a genuine replacement for Laursen at corners.
Haha r u straight?
Why?
You wouldn't invite Bannan to your bbq he'd drink all the beer
Not sure Bsnnsn is up to it but hope hr does well
Rumours are that Villa have accepted 750k bid from Blackburn. Good luck to him.Just seen that....looks legit. Personally glad to see the back of him. Was fed up of all the "He's the same size of Xavi so he could be as good one day".... another championship player personally.
Apparantly he wants a pay rise to go there, above the 17k a week he's earning at Villa.
Make of that what you will.
Apparantly he wants a pay rise to go there, above the 17k a week he's earning at Villa.
Make of that what you will.
He is a fecking idiot if he is after a pay rise to go there, prove yourself instead of being the mr big bollocks
Apparantly he wants a pay rise to go there, above the 17k a week he's earning at Villa.
Make of that what you will.
He is a fecking idiot if he is after a pay rise to go there, prove yourself instead of being the mr big bollocks
I'll miss him. Good luck Pocket Baz.
Attitude problem from what I've been told.
Please stop posting unnecessary photos.
Please stop posting unnecessary photos.
I thought it was a great idea, I'd totally forgotten what Barry Bannan looked like.
Attitude problem from what I've been told.
Dare i ask who told you that ?
Only because in personal experience he's always been perfectly friendly whenever i've met him up at Bodymoor. Half the time i think these rumours just do the rounds for no reason other than someone's started one out of spite/malice and it gets reported over and over like it's gospel
Personally i think Bannan's problem is (a) he looks like a piss head (b) that drunk driving malarky
Now, i'm sure we've all got friends that have fallen into one if not both of those categories ourselves, but i wouldn't wrire off their friendship based on either personally. As a footballer i think he's fine, not great but then plenty of our other midfielders are in exactly the same bracket. I just don't think wee Barry's face sits well with some folks
Put bluntly, if Benteke had done exactly the same driving offence he wouldn't have gotten half the abuse Barry did from some folks. And HE should have, don't get me wrong. But it's like some folks don't like him so lets use that as a battering ram when they wouldn't if it was a player they did like
Drink driving is a terrible thing, but i've got family members that still do it and i haven't disowned them yet
Please stop posting unnecessary photos.
I thought it was a great idea, I'd totally forgotten what Barry Bannan looked like.
Did it have to be a lifesize picture of his head though?
Attitude problem from what I've been told.
Dare i ask who told you that ?
Only because in personal experience he's always been perfectly friendly whenever i've met him up at Bodymoor. Half the time i think these rumours just do the rounds for no reason other than someone's started one out of spite/malice and it gets reported over and over like it's gospel
Personally i think Bannan's problem is (a) he looks like a piss head (b) that drunk driving malarky
Now, i'm sure we've all got friends that have fallen into one if not both of those categories ourselves, but i wouldn't wrire off their friendship based on either personally. As a footballer i think he's fine, not great but then plenty of our other midfielders are in exactly the same bracket. I just don't think wee Barry's face sits well with some folks
Put bluntly, if Benteke had done exactly the same driving offence he wouldn't have gotten half the abuse Barry did from some folks. And HE should have, don't get me wrong. But it's like some folks don't like him so lets use that as a battering ram when they wouldn't if it was a player they did like
Drink driving is a terrible thing, but i've got family members that still do it and i haven't disowned them yet
To be honest, if i were to list "things that'd make me fall out with friends or family members" then "they drink drive" would be pretty high up the list. I also have to admit, I can't speak for anyone else, but whilst I might have friends who look like piss heads, I don't have any who have been done for drunk driving.
Maybe what's really a bit skew-iff is your attitude to drink driving rather than our attitude to Barry Bannan?
Incidentally, it wasn't just drink driving, either, for the incident on the M1, he was also done for failing to stop after an accident, driving without due care and attention and driving on a provisional licence.
I think he's a promising player, but the evidence to suggest that, off the pitch, he's an utter bell-end is pretty convincing.
I can't name outright on here. But a former Villa player whose still very close to the club to this dayAttitude problem from what I've been told.
Dare i ask who told you that ?
Only because in personal experience he's always been perfectly friendly whenever i've met him up at Bodymoor. Half the time i think these rumours just do the rounds for no reason other than someone's started one out of spite/malice and it gets reported over and over like it's gospel
Personally i think Bannan's problem is (a) he looks like a piss head (b) that drunk driving malarky
Now, i'm sure we've all got friends that have fallen into one if not both of those categories ourselves, but i wouldn't wrire off their friendship based on either personally. As a footballer i think he's fine, not great but then plenty of our other midfielders are in exactly the same bracket. I just don't think wee Barry's face sits well with some folks
Put bluntly, if Benteke had done exactly the same driving offence he wouldn't have gotten half the abuse Barry did from some folks. And HE should have, don't get me wrong. But it's like some folks don't like him so lets use that as a battering ram when they wouldn't if it was a player they did like
Drink driving is a terrible thing, but i've got family members that still do it and i haven't disowned them yet
He's actually a decent bloke, a guy who you could have a good drink and chat with in the pub if you knew him.I can't name outright on here. But a former Villa player whose still very close to the club to this dayAttitude problem from what I've been told.
Dare i ask who told you that ?
Only because in personal experience he's always been perfectly friendly whenever i've met him up at Bodymoor. Half the time i think these rumours just do the rounds for no reason other than someone's started one out of spite/malice and it gets reported over and over like it's gospel
Personally i think Bannan's problem is (a) he looks like a piss head (b) that drunk driving malarky
Now, i'm sure we've all got friends that have fallen into one if not both of those categories ourselves, but i wouldn't wrire off their friendship based on either personally. As a footballer i think he's fine, not great but then plenty of our other midfielders are in exactly the same bracket. I just don't think wee Barry's face sits well with some folks
Put bluntly, if Benteke had done exactly the same driving offence he wouldn't have gotten half the abuse Barry did from some folks. And HE should have, don't get me wrong. But it's like some folks don't like him so lets use that as a battering ram when they wouldn't if it was a player they did like
Drink driving is a terrible thing, but i've got family members that still do it and i haven't disowned them yet
Drink-driving is totally out of order regardless of who does it.
Drink-driving is totally out of order regardless of who does it.
I wonder if Ray Wilkins' conviction for drink driving will impact on his punditry career. I hope it does.
Drink-driving is totally out of order regardless of who does it.
Drink-driving is totally out of order regardless of who does it.
I wonder if Ray Wilkins' conviction for drink driving will impact on his punditry career. I hope it does.
You've been asked before not to post unnecessary pictures. Please stop.With all due respect Dave, that last pic wasn't unnecessary. On a completed unrelated matter, I'll be back in 2 and a half minutes.
Barry Bannan is probably not even in my list of top ten players whose first name and surname start with the same letter.
Carlos Cuellar
Julian Joachim
Gary Gardner
Simon Stainrod (not really)
Ciaran Clark
Fabio Ferraresi
Oh, maybe he is then.
Barry Bannan is one of my all time favorite Villa heroes. I will be well sad if he does go to Blackburn.
Barry Bannan is one of my all time favorite Villa heroes. I will be well sad if he does go to Blackburn.
Barry Bannan is probably not even in my list of top ten players whose first name and surname start with the same letter.
Carlos Cuellar
Julian Joachim
Gary Gardner
Simon Stainrod (not really)
Ciaran Clark
Fabio Ferraresi
Oh, maybe he is then.
Barry Bannan is probably not even in my list of top ten players whose first name and surname start with the same letter.
Carlos Cuellar
Julian Joachim
Gary Gardner
Simon Stainrod (not really)
Ciaran Clark
Fabio Ferraresi
Oh, maybe he is then.
Steve Sims
Steve Sidwell
My Grandpa reckons years ago Villa had a player called Iain Irmingtrude.
My Grandpa reckons years ago Villa had a player called Iain Irmingtrude.
I was there at Twickenham on the day that Erica strutted her stuff. I'd just turned 12, so I was beginning to be able to appreciate the enormity of the situation.So was I but at 23 I fully appreciated the size of the task.
I've seen quite a few people saying they don't blame the 'bomb squad' for not wanting to take paycuts to move on as 'we wouldn't want to either' . I'm sorry that's BS and not relative at all. We can't compare the money they make to the money us mere mortals make and justify their decisions.
Take exams for us, say we were on 40k a year and didn't want to take a job at 30k a year. That's understandable as we are so much nearer the breadline than these 'stars' are! On 30k a year after tax were bringing in aprox 1800-2k a month. The added £500 a month would make a world of difference to us.
Now onto footballers. Your on 17k a week, that's £816,000 a year! You will see about half of that so let's say £400k.
Now your offered better job satisfaction (as you'd be playing the sport you claim to love) at 12k a week. That's still £576000 a year and you'd see aprox £300k from that. My long point being is that to them what's an extra 5k a week? What till that bring to their life's that they cannot already have on the money they are on? Is it going to feed their family more? No. Is it going to be spent on excess and show pony shit? Yes!
Simply put, these folk have clearly forgotten why they kicked a ball
In the first place. It was down to passion and love for the sport. Now they would rather not play the game but have an extra Tag watch per month.
I've seen quite a few people saying they don't blame the 'bomb squad' for not wanting to take paycuts to move on as 'we wouldn't want to either' . I'm sorry that's BS and not relative at all. We can't compare the money they make to the money us mere mortals make and justify their decisions.
Take exams for us, say we were on 40k a year and didn't want to take a job at 30k a year. That's understandable as we are so much nearer the breadline than these 'stars' are! On 30k a year after tax were bringing in aprox 1800-2k a month. The added £500 a month would make a world of difference to us.
Now onto footballers. Your on 17k a week, that's £816,000 a year! You will see about half of that so let's say £400k.
Now your offered better job satisfaction (as you'd be playing the sport you claim to love) at 12k a week. That's still £576000 a year and you'd see aprox £300k from that. My long point being is that to them what's an extra 5k a week? What till that bring to their life's that they cannot already have on the money they are on? Is it going to feed their family more? No. Is it going to be spent on excess and show pony shit? Yes!
Simply put, these folk have clearly forgotten why they kicked a ball
In the first place. It was down to passion and love for the sport. Now they would rather not play the game but have an extra Tag watch per month.
I've seen quite a few people saying they don't blame the 'bomb squad' for not wanting to take paycuts to move on as 'we wouldn't want to either' . I'm sorry that's BS and not relative at all. We can't compare the money they make to the money us mere mortals make and justify their decisions.
Take exams for us, say we were on 40k a year and didn't want to take a job at 30k a year. That's understandable as we are so much nearer the breadline than these 'stars' are! On 30k a year after tax were bringing in aprox 1800-2k a month. The added £500 a month would make a world of difference to us.
Now onto footballers. Your on 17k a week, that's £816,000 a year! You will see about half of that so let's say £400k.
Now your offered better job satisfaction (as you'd be playing the sport you claim to love) at 12k a week. That's still £576000 a year and you'd see aprox £300k from that. My long point being is that to them what's an extra 5k a week? What till that bring to their life's that they cannot already have on the money they are on? Is it going to feed their family more? No. Is it going to be spent on excess and show pony shit? Yes!
Simply put, these folk have clearly forgotten why they kicked a ball
In the first place. It was down to passion and love for the sport. Now they would rather not play the game but have an extra Tag watch per month.
It's a job, nothing more. Regardless of the figures you're not going to take a pay cut if you don't have to.
I've seen quite a few people saying they don't blame the 'bomb squad' for not wanting to take paycuts to move on as 'we wouldn't want to either' . I'm sorry that's BS and not relative at all. We can't compare the money they make to the money us mere mortals make and justify their decisions.
Take exams for us, say we were on 40k a year and didn't want to take a job at 30k a year. That's understandable as we are so much nearer the breadline than these 'stars' are! On 30k a year after tax were bringing in aprox 1800-2k a month. The added £500 a month would make a world of difference to us.
Now onto footballers. Your on 17k a week, that's £816,000 a year! You will see about half of that so let's say £400k.
Now your offered better job satisfaction (as you'd be playing the sport you claim to love) at 12k a week. That's still £576000 a year and you'd see aprox £300k from that. My long point being is that to them what's an extra 5k a week? What till that bring to their life's that they cannot already have on the money they are on? Is it going to feed their family more? No. Is it going to be spent on excess and show pony shit? Yes!
Simply put, these folk have clearly forgotten why they kicked a ball
In the first place. It was down to passion and love for the sport. Now they would rather not play the game but have an extra Tag watch per month.
It's a job, nothing more. Regardless of the figures you're not going to take a pay cut if you don't have to.
then why do they all bleat on about 'I only want to play football' if its a lie and its only a job,
I don't wake up in the morning and say I only want to sell trucks,
if we won the lottery most of us would give up our jobs, we might find something else to do, but working for someone else would be a thing of the past,
would footballers give up playing the game if they won the euro millions and pocketed 85 mill, maybe not because football is a brilliant thing to do whether your paid or not
its not just a job, playing in front of big crowds must be fantastic, it cant be compared to working in IT or something, its more than just a job
if you are right in what your saying, then they are all just big fat fibbers,
thier life isn't about playing the game, its about sitting on their arse if needs be because money is more important than them playing a game of football, which is at odds to what they say most of the time
if they said my contract is far more important to me than actually playing the game, then we would know where we stand,
but they don't they say that football is all they want to do, which according to you is a nonsense
I've seen quite a few people saying they don't blame the 'bomb squad' for not wanting to take paycuts to move on as 'we wouldn't want to either' . I'm sorry that's BS and not relative at all. We can't compare the money they make to the money us mere mortals make and justify their decisions.
Take exams for us, say we were on 40k a year and didn't want to take a job at 30k a year. That's understandable as we are so much nearer the breadline than these 'stars' are! On 30k a year after tax were bringing in aprox 1800-2k a month. The added £500 a month would make a world of difference to us.
Now onto footballers. Your on 17k a week, that's £816,000 a year! You will see about half of that so let's say £400k.
Now your offered better job satisfaction (as you'd be playing the sport you claim to love) at 12k a week. That's still £576000 a year and you'd see aprox £300k from that. My long point being is that to them what's an extra 5k a week? What till that bring to their life's that they cannot already have on the money they are on? Is it going to feed their family more? No. Is it going to be spent on excess and show pony shit? Yes!
Simply put, these folk have clearly forgotten why they kicked a ball
In the first place. It was down to passion and love for the sport. Now they would rather not play the game but have an extra Tag watch per month.
It's a job, nothing more. Regardless of the figures you're not going to take a pay cut if you don't have to.
then why do they all bleat on about 'I only want to play football' if its a lie and its only a job,
I don't wake up in the morning and say I only want to sell trucks,
if we won the lottery most of us would give up our jobs, we might find something else to do, but working for someone else would be a thing of the past,
would footballers give up playing the game if they won the euro millions and pocketed 85 mill, maybe not because football is a brilliant thing to do whether your paid or not
its not just a job, playing in front of big crowds must be fantastic, it cant be compared to working in IT or something, its more than just a job
if you are right in what your saying, then they are all just big fat fibbers,
thier life isn't about playing the game, its about sitting on their arse if needs be because money is more important than them playing a game of football, which is at odds to what they say most of the time
if they said my contract is far more important to me than actually playing the game, then we would know where we stand,
but they don't they say that football is all they want to do, which according to you is a nonsense
If you do anything day in, day out it's a job and unless you're very lucky the novelty soon wears off. Similarly, very few people would change jobs for a pay cut and you're woefully naive if you think footballers are any different. Then again, I suppose some people think players kiss the badge because they love their club.
a football career lasts for a few years, why would more money in the bank be more important than a good career to look back on, I just don't get itMaybe because it only lasts a few years (with limited options at the end of it) it's why writing off a couple of hundred thousand pounds just to play a few more games of football isn't really something that appeals to them.
a football career lasts for a few years, why would more money in the bank be more important than a good career to look back on, I just don't get itMaybe because it only lasts a few years (with limited options at the end of it) it's why writing off a couple of hundred thousand pounds just to play a few more games of football isn't really something that appeals to them.
a football career lasts for a few years, why would more money in the bank be more important than a good career to look back on, I just don't get itMaybe because it only lasts a few years (with limited options at the end of it) it's why writing off a couple of hundred thousand pounds just to play a few more games of football isn't really something that appeals to them.
which means that money means more to them than actually playing football,
football is a distant second to how much money they can earn, sometimes for doing nothing
but you will never hear them say that, that's what gets my goat, its always 'I just want to play the game'
which if what you say is true is clearly lies
Of course the money is more important to them. As Dave says, someone would have to be very naive to think that there is any footballer that doesn't see it as a paycheque firstly and a game secondly.a football career lasts for a few years, why would more money in the bank be more important than a good career to look back on, I just don't get itMaybe because it only lasts a few years (with limited options at the end of it) it's why writing off a couple of hundred thousand pounds just to play a few more games of football isn't really something that appeals to them.
which means that money means more to them than actually playing football,
football is a distant second to how much money they can earn, sometimes for doing nothing
but you will never hear them say that, that's what gets my goat, its always 'I just want to play the game'
which if what you say is true is clearly lies
maybe I am naïve,
but I just don't think you can compare playing football in front of thousands of adoring fans to working in an office or stacking shop shelves
I suppose you are right in that anything becomes normal if its done so often,
however thousands of people play football every week for no money, just for the love of the game,
to my knowledge people don't volunteer to go in to work for nothing, because in general we rather not
apart from a few vocational jobs ie teaching, nursing etc most people would stop work tomorrow if they could
I'm not saying your wrong or arguing against you really, but I just don't get the 'its only a job' like everyones elses job,
its not is it, its a totally different way of earning a living like in the entertainment industry, a football career lasts for a few years, why would more money in the bank be more important than a good career to look back on, I just don't get it
Purely guesswork on my part, but I'd say Hutton, Ireland and Given will get nowhere near what they're on presently from other clubs. I think Hutton's wages would probably drop from about 30k a week to 5k a week to move to a Spanish second division club. In that case john, would you still happily move for your love of playing the game?
The others' short-fall may be more marginal, in which case you'd have a point.
Purely guesswork on my part, but I'd say Hutton, Ireland and Given will get nowhere near what they're on presently from other clubs. I think Hutton's wages would probably drop from about 30k a week to 5k a week to move to a Spanish second division club. In that case john, would you still happily move for your love of playing the game?
The others' short-fall may be more marginal, in which case you'd have a point.
I don't know the ins and outs of the new deals been offered, if they are massively different then no I don't blame them for staying and waiting for a better option
you just get the feeling that the love of the game is not there for some of them, they really don't care about going anywhere else, and quite content to sit around doing nothing but picking up massive wages that some twat of a manager thought they were worth
even a top actor or actress who can command 10-20 mill for a film can still very often go and do a bit of theatre work for next to nothing, because they love there work they love performing and like what they do
i'm sure there are many footballers who do the same,
with someone like Bannan who is still relatively young, why doesn't he take a leaf out of Cahills book, he wanted to play, went to a lower club was succesfull and now is probably paid more than we would have ever payed him, he backed himself and his talent
the best thing Bannan could do now for his career is prove himself somewhere else, unless of course he doesn't think he is good enough, and there arnt many footballers like that, they all think they could play for Real Madrid
I suppose at the end of the day money rules just like in every other aspect of life
Spot on
So we accept then that most footballers are full of shit in regards to the love of the game? When we agree it does just boil down to cash for them!?
So we accept then that most footballers are full of shit in regards to the love of the game? When we agree it does just boil down to cash for them!?
maybe I am naïve,
but I just don't think you can compare playing football in front of thousands of adoring fans to working in an office or stacking shop shelves
I suppose you are right in that anything becomes normal if its done so often,
however thousands of people play football every week for no money, just for the love of the game,
to my knowledge people don't volunteer to go in to work for nothing, because in general we rather not
apart from a few vocational jobs ie teaching, nursing etc most people would stop work tomorrow if they could
I'm not saying your wrong or arguing against you really, but I just don't get the 'its only a job' like everyones elses job,
its not is it, its a totally different way of earning a living like in the entertainment industry, a football career lasts for a few years, why would more money in the bank be more important than a good career to look back on, I just don't get it
With footballers it's probably all they've ever done. From the day they first started school they've been marked out as a special talent. Even someone as limited as Alan Hutton would have been miles better than anyone he ever played with, right up until the day he signed Academy forms and started mixing with other full-timers. His entire life has been geared with one aim in mind - to become a professional footballer. With that in mind it's hardly surprising that he regards it as a job, and one that could end with a crunching tackle tomorrow.
And when you're a Premier League player you don't live a normal life. You earn a fortune, you hang out with people who earn the same so you don't stop to think that you could cut your wages by 90% and still have what mere mortals would consider to be a very tidy living. You couldn't have the lifestyle you've got if you were earning £5k a week rather than £50k. In the same way, most of the world's population would see the average wage in Britain and think it riches beyond comprehension. You can't understand why a player can't live on that £5k, someone in the slums of Calcutta would stare open-mouthed at your belief that dropping from £800 to £600 would cause you hardship.
Re. Players, their love of the game and what they get paid.
The 'Bomb Squad' is made up of those who's careers have not lived up to early promise, journeymen and those who've had decent careers but whose best days are over.
I can readily see why none of them is in a rush to take a pay cut to gain the privilege of playing at a standard way lower than they're used to.
Bannan is slightly different. His motivation ought to be to get playing, prove himself and earn transfer back into the premiership.
Joey Barton will apparently halve his wages for the opportunity to play for his boyhood club Everton. Granted he'll still be on 35k a week apparently, and if he has any aspiration to play top flight football still, he'll have to do that anywhere, but still...he's willing to take a pay cut.
The Hutton thing seems to suggest that he's changed the goal posts slightly, the way Mallorca make it sound. I'd also guess he'd be getting slightly more than 5k a week. Even so, he's got a choice. He can earn a bit less and live in Mallorca, or he can earn a bit more, but still a shite-load less than what he's on now, to play in the Championship at god knows where.
He could live in Spain for a couple of years on an extremely lavish lifestyle on 5k a week, on top of what he's already earned in his years as a pro footballer.
Personally I'd take the Spanish holiday for slightly less than having to play at Millwall or somewhere like that.
why would a professional footballer want to waste his time and talent pissing around the training ground with a load of other rejectsBecause in one case we are talking about a 37 year old at the end of what has already been an extremely successful career writing off hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Re. Players, their love of the game and what they get paid.
The 'Bomb Squad' is made up of those who's careers have not lived up to early promise, journeymen and those who've had decent careers but whose best days are over.
I can readily see why none of them is in a rush to take a pay cut to gain the privilege of playing at a standard way lower than they're used to.
Bannan is slightly different. His motivation ought to be to get playing, prove himself and earn transfer back into the premiership.
the standard will still be a lot higher than Villa reserves though
life is more than about money, we only get so many days, you don't get the day back again, you have to make the most of each one
why would a professional footballer want to waste his time and talent pissing around the training ground with a load of other rejects
It's all very well sitting there saying that there are more important things than money but until you've actively taken the choice to sacrifice that sort of sum that you're complaining that other people are not, then I'm afraid that I'm not going to take it particularly seriously.
Not many. Which is why it's extremely easy to say that you'd happily turn down hundreds of thousands of pounds when you know that there's no possibility that you're ever going to need to prove it.
It's all very well sitting there saying that there are more important things than money but until you've actively taken the choice to sacrifice that sort of sum that you're complaining that other people are not, then I'm afraid that I'm not going to take it particularly seriously.
How many of us are ever likely to be in that sort of position though?
Not many. Which is why it's extremely easy to say that you'd happily turn down hundreds of thousands of pounds when you know that there's no possibility that you're ever going to need to prove it.
It's all very well sitting there saying that there are more important things than money but until you've actively taken the choice to sacrifice that sort of sum that you're complaining that other people are not, then I'm afraid that I'm not going to take it particularly seriously.
How many of us are ever likely to be in that sort of position though?
why would a professional footballer want to waste his time and talent pissing around the training ground with a load of other rejectsBecause in one case we are talking about a 37 year old at the end of what has already been an extremely successful career writing off hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Or in another case a young player, rumoured to be lacking a bit of self-belief and whose career has stalled a bit who might well be thinking that the £20,000 per week contract might well the biggest one he ever signs and wants to make the most of it while it's there.
It's all very well sitting there saying that there are more important things than money but until you've actively taken the choice to sacrifice that sort of sum that you're complaining that other people are not, then I'm afraid that I'm not going to take it particularly seriously.
why would a professional footballer want to waste his time and talent pissing around the training ground with a load of other rejectsBecause in one case we are talking about a 37 year old at the end of what has already been an extremely successful career writing off hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Or in another case a young player, rumoured to be lacking a bit of self-belief and whose career has stalled a bit who might well be thinking that the £20,000 per week contract might well the biggest one he ever signs and wants to make the most of it while it's there.
It's all very well sitting there saying that there are more important things than money but until you've actively taken the choice to sacrifice that sort of sum that you're complaining that other people are not, then I'm afraid that I'm not going to take it particularly seriously.
we all make lifestyle choices, like others have said its all relative to our own individual curcumstances,
I personaly cant see the point in wasting away valuable days doing nothing in the reserves when you could be doing what you do best, ie playing football somewhere for someone, maybe for a bit less money but far more job satisfaction I would imagine,
that would go for someone at the beginning or the end of there career, but that's just the way I see it,
I can understand other peoples point of view, but for me life is to short to waste on making a few more bucks, at the expense of doing something more worthwhile
as others have said, I think people do make those choices especially when they have children and give up careers and money to spend a few years with their kids, it might not be the same amounts, but relatively its probably more
choose life, is the saying,
and footballers offered a career actually playing football at a bit less money, I think is a better life choice than rotting about in the reserves, ok they are getting payed big wages still, but for me its not worth it
I'm managing to get by nicely without £7m. I'm not saying I wouldn't like it but I'm not sure what I'd do with it!
I'm managing to get by nicely without £7m. I'm not saying I wouldn't like it but I'm not sure what I'd do with it!
Well, you could adopt me, I'm an orphan. I'd also agree to support Barca or Hull, or whoever. I'd also promise to stop playing that hippie nonsense loudly in my bedroom.
I'm managing to get by nicely without £7m. I'm not saying I wouldn't like it but I'm not sure what I'd do with it!
Well, you could adopt me, I'm an orphan. I'd also agree to support Barca or Hull, or whoever. I'd also promise to stop playing that hippie nonsense loudly in my bedroom.
I reckon that chap Winston Bogarde or what ever his name is, wasted his time talent and life, but no doubt he is a rich man nowWell, if he does care at all about football (and his time at Chelsea would suggest that he doesn't), he'll probably just look on his Champions League winner's medal and his various league title and cup medals that he won with Ajax and Barcelona and rightfully decide that he's probably achieved more than 99% of people who play professional football. And been ridiculously well-paid while doing it.
I wonder when he gets an old man he will have a few regrets
Paulie,depends on your philosophy in life, you don't get the days back
no one on their death bed ever said they wished they had more money in the bank
I suppose the discussion just keeps revolving,
and in the end we wont agree, but I reckon that chap Winston Bogarde or what ever his name is, wasted his time talent and life, but no doubt he is a rich man now
I wonder when he gets an old man he will have a few regrets
my own view is that a artiste wants to paint, a actor wants to act, a performer wants to put on a show, and a footballer should want to play football, if he doesn't because of money he's making the wrong choice
yes its easy for me as I don't have to make that choice, but that's still my philosophy on life, and that's what I think they should do, but its every one to there own
but i still don't get why a footballer doesn't want to play the game if he gets the chance, just to put a few more quid in the bank, and I never will
I reckon that chap Winston Bogarde or what ever his name is, wasted his time talent and life, but no doubt he is a rich man nowWell, if he does care at all about football (and his time at Chelsea would suggest that he doesn't), he'll probably just look on his Champions League winner's medal and his various league title and cup medals that he won with Ajax and Barcelona and rightfully decide that he's probably achieved more than 99% of people who play professional football. And been ridiculously well-paid while doing it.
I wonder when he gets an old man he will have a few regrets
Paulie,depends on your philosophy in life, you don't get the days back
no one on their death bed ever said they wished they had more money in the bank
I suppose the discussion just keeps revolving,
and in the end we wont agree, but I reckon that chap Winston Bogarde or what ever his name is, wasted his time talent and life, but no doubt he is a rich man now
I wonder when he gets an old man he will have a few regrets
my own view is that a artiste wants to paint, a actor wants to act, a performer wants to put on a show, and a footballer should want to play football, if he doesn't because of money he's making the wrong choice
yes its easy for me as I don't have to make that choice, but that's still my philosophy on life, and that's what I think they should do, but its every one to there own
but i still don't get why a footballer doesn't want to play the game if he gets the chance, just to put a few more quid in the bank, and I never will
The reason the discussion keeps revolving is because you keep talking about 'a bit more money', a 'few more quid in the bank'. If that was the case, I think everyone, even the Bomb Squad, would agree with you. But it's not always the case; sometimes it's opting for millions of pounds and life-long financial security for.your family instead of thousands of pounds and much less financial certainty for your folks, just so you can play football.
They gave him a contract. He kept himself available for selection. He was paid the salary he was owed.I reckon that chap Winston Bogarde or what ever his name is, wasted his time talent and life, but no doubt he is a rich man nowWell, if he does care at all about football (and his time at Chelsea would suggest that he doesn't), he'll probably just look on his Champions League winner's medal and his various league title and cup medals that he won with Ajax and Barcelona and rightfully decide that he's probably achieved more than 99% of people who play professional football. And been ridiculously well-paid while doing it.
I wonder when he gets an old man he will have a few regrets
so he was already a mega wealthy, successful and talented person, and he still chose to waste 3 years mucking about in Chelsea's reserves
he's worse than I thought
I reckon that chap Winston Bogarde or what ever his name is, wasted his time talent and life, but no doubt he is a rich man nowWell, if he does care at all about football (and his time at Chelsea would suggest that he doesn't), he'll probably just look on his Champions League winner's medal and his various league title and cup medals that he won with Ajax and Barcelona and rightfully decide that he's probably achieved more than 99% of people who play professional football. And been ridiculously well-paid while doing it.
I wonder when he gets an old man he will have a few regrets
so he was already a mega wealthy, successful and talented person, and he still chose to waste 3 years mucking about in Chelsea's reserves
he's worse than I thought
So we accept then that most footballers are full of shit in regards to the love of the game? When we agree it does just boil down to cash for them!?
I do my job purely for the money, I don't derive any pleasure from it. I expect that some footballers are just the same.
I'm managing to get by nicely without £7m. I'm not saying I wouldn't like it but I'm not sure what I'd do with it!
Well, you could adopt me, I'm an orphan. I'd also agree to support Barca or Hull, or whoever. I'd also promise to stop playing that hippie nonsense loudly in my bedroom.
Hold on, Nick, think about it before you commit. Is £7m enough to have to endlessly listen to Josh Ritter? I'd be asking for at least double.
Wherever it is, they won’t find Villa difficult to deal with. And thankfully for Hutton, he hasn’t found his relationship with fellow Scot Lambert a problem either, despite the footballing disconnect.
But the door is firmly closed for him there nonetheless.
“Oh definitely, a million per cent,” admitted Hutton. “That’s done. I’ve got another year and I’m in no rush. It’s not as if I’ve not got a club.
“But obviously I want to move. Another loan deal would not be ideal. I’ve three kids, two at school now. I’ve been away since January and had other loan moves in the past. It’s not ideal for the family. I’d like a permanent deal.
“There’s never been one problem with me and the manager though. I’ve had many meetings with him and there's no problem there.
‘There are around eight of us that have been told. It is what it is. That’s what the club are doing, they are going in a totally different direction and that’s fine. I just need to move on and play.”
Which leaves the defender needing to choose carefully after so many ups and downs. Despite the move to Villa appearing logical at the time, signing for his former Gers manager McLeish, hindsight tells him a different story.
He said: “I was that desperate to get away from Tottenham that I jumped into something. My first year at Villa wasn’t great. We just missed out on relegation, just stayed up and the following year, it’s a new manager and things changed.
‘I jumped into that one and maybe I should have held off and I think that’s what I’ll be doing this time. I’ll make sure it’s right for me first.
“Hopefully they're not looking for a fee for me – they can’t, really. If they’re telling all these boys to leave they can’t be asking for a figure that’s going to stop you going somewhere.
“But time will tell. It’s very rare that you see people moving this early in the summer though, so there is no rush.”
I'm managing to get by nicely without £7m. I'm not saying I wouldn't like it but I'm not sure what I'd do with it!
Well, you could adopt me, I'm an orphan. I'd also agree to support Barca or Hull, or whoever. I'd also promise to stop playing that hippie nonsense loudly in my bedroom.
Hold on, Nick, think about it before you commit. Is £7m enough to have to endlessly listen to Josh Ritter? I'd be asking for at least double.
Having barely survived my elder daughter's Mariah Carey monomania, I will take your advice. There are some thing money can't buy.
Paulie,depends on your philosophy in life, you don't get the days back
Surely there's a point at which a footballer will tip from one choice to another.
So, someone like Given would have this choice:
Option A: Stay at Villa, aged 37, on 70k a week for the next 3 years
Option B: Leave Villa, play somewhere else, almost certainly at a lower level, for a lot less money.
Obviously, he'll want to play, given the choice, but the money is certainly going to soften the blow of not playing. 70k a week for three years is the best part of £10m. He could go somewhere else for, say, 20k a week, and it is still £3m.
That's a lot of money, too, but he has to decide whether to forego £7m just to play every week rather than not get to play. Maybe he wouldn't do it for a loss of 7m, but he would for a loss of 1 or 2m?
As Dave said, it's dead easy to say you'd make the life quality choice and go and play actual matches when you're almost certainly never going to actually find yourself opting to do without a sum like £7m. Regardless of whether or not you have loads in the bank already.
I think Given and Hutton both definitely want to play and as the window goes on may get increasingly desperate to move and may accept a big cut. Hutton at least seems willing to forego a loyalty payment to get his move. I think Bent will be of the same mind. Bannan has a genuine affection for the club, in spite of his attitude problems, and has been with us since he was 14 and he may find it difficult to leave which is something a lot of people on here forget. Ireland presents the biggest problem. Nobody wants him and as I've said before I think he isn't a big fan of playing football. He sees it as a job and a way of securing his family financially. So I find it difficult to see him foregoing £40-50K per week just to play football for somebody like Doncaster.
The most ridiculous thing about us all going on about this for so long is that 'nobody knows anything'. For all we know, the Bomb Squad might agree with john e and others and be prepared to take a financial hit for the love of the game, but nobody's offered anything like reasonable terms. Having seen some of them play close up, I must say that were they with other clubs and we were after them I'd be pissed off. For instance, I wouldn't pay Ireland in washers. Who's to say that other clubs are not thinking the same?
I know it's not his fault he's been gifted 17k a week but he has done next to nothing to justify being on money like that. If it is his agent being greedy that's scuppered the deal then I agree that he should get shot of him ASAP. At his age he needs to be making a move to cement a regular place and build his career again. Now is certainly not the time for him to be none negotiable on his salary.In fairness to Barry, in regards to the state Blackburn are in, it makes sense to hold out for a higher fee. If it's a more stable club coming in and offering him 13k, he should probably take it though. He'll struggle to get better and it's a bloody good wage as it is.
I have been told that Blackburn offered him 13k a week. He wants 18-20k
I know it's not his fault he's been gifted 17k a week but he has done next to nothing to justify being on money like that. If it is his agent being greedy that's scuppered the deal then I agree that he should get shot of him ASAP. At his age he needs to be making a move to cement a regular place and build his career again. Now is certainly not the time for him to be none negotiable on his salary.
I have been told that Blackburn offered him 13k a week. He wants 18-20k
That's direct from an agent (pm me if you want me to expand further)I know it's not his fault he's been gifted 17k a week but he has done next to nothing to justify being on money like that. If it is his agent being greedy that's scuppered the deal then I agree that he should get shot of him ASAP. At his age he needs to be making a move to cement a regular place and build his career again. Now is certainly not the time for him to be none negotiable on his salary.
I have been told that Blackburn offered him 13k a week. He wants 18-20k
We can all speculate on the wages offered and asked
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Spotted at the Albyun today, read into that what you will.
Was it kids for a quid today?
Was it kids for a quid today?
Bannan looks like he's spent all summer on the booze. His skin appears to be that of a 50 year oldI think that's just Scottish genetics.
Did he have bad directions to Molineux or something? If he's watching a potential suitor, that'd be more his level.
Did he have bad directions to Molineux or something? If he's watching a potential suitor, that'd be more his level.
I disagree, he could do a job in the Premier League at someone like the Albion.
Did he have bad directions to Molineux or something? If he's watching a potential suitor, that'd be more his level.
I disagree, he could do a job in the Premier League at someone like the Albion.
Some of the stick he receives on here is ridiculous.
Did he have bad directions to Molineux or something? If he's watching a potential suitor, that'd be more his level.
I disagree, he could do a job in the Premier League at someone like the Albion.