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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: olaftab on December 29, 2012, 10:12:28 PM
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Clearly experience is lacking in the team that Lambert is able to field these days and quite rightly that has been identified as one of the main reason for our current position. We have number of senior players in the treatment room but I have no idea as to how serious their injuries are and when we should expect them back. Any idea from the forum on:
Vlaar
Dunne
Gabby
N'Zobia
Bent
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Clearly experience is lacking in the team that Lambert is able to field these days and quite rightly that has been identified as one of the main reason for our current position. We have number of senior players in the treatment room but I have no idea as to how serious their injuries are and when we should expect them back. Any idea from the forum on:
Vlaar
Dunne
Gabby
N'Zobia
Bent
Vlaar - Soft toilet tissue issue, finger poking through on 2nd wipe.
Dunne - Underportion of the Paella.
Gabby - Light training on Peter and Jane remedial books next week
N'Zogbia - almost up to peak fitness, booting balls into Trinity Road stand as we speak.
Bent - RSI due to overuse of redial button to agent.
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No improvements any time soon. Also Weimann looked injured to me at the end of today's game.
N Baker Hamstring Injury no return date
C N'Zogbia Knee Injury 1st Jan 13 doubtful
G Agbonlahor Thigh Muscle Strain 12th Jan 13
D Bent Hamstring Injury no return date
R Vlaar Calf/Shin Injury 1st Jan 13 doubtful
G Gardner ACL Knee Injury May 13
R Dunne Gilmores Groin no return date
S Petrov Acute Leukaemia no return date
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No improvements any time soon. Also Weimann looked injured to me at the end of today's game.
N Baker Hamstring Injury no return date
C N'Zogbia Knee Injury 1st Jan 13 doubtful
G Agbonlahor Thigh Muscle Strain 12th Jan 13
D Bent Hamstring Injury no return date
R Vlaar Calf/Shin Injury 1st Jan 13 doubtful
G Gardner ACL Knee Injury May 13
R Dunne Gilmores Groin no return date
S Petrov Acute Leukaemia no return date
Just reading that list you get various feelings until you reach the bottom. Then it hits you hard. Very hard.
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Lambert said on Friday he had no idea when any will be fit .
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this is why Randy's cheque book is required in Jan - the most critical month in our season
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This is typical of our bad luck. I have always said that, even if we bought the best eleven players in the world, we would be fielding the reserves in six months. At what other club do people mention a players name to long standing supporters and the say 'is he still on the books?' Players just drop into the abyss.
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No improvements any time soon. Also Weimann looked injured to me at the end of today's game.
N Baker Hamstring Injury no return date
C N'Zogbia Knee Injury 1st Jan 13 doubtful
G Agbonlahor Thigh Muscle Strain 12th Jan 13
D Bent Hamstring Injury no return date
R Vlaar Calf/Shin Injury 1st Jan 13 doubtful
G Gardner ACL Knee Injury May 13
R Dunne Gilmores Groin no return date
S Petrov Acute Leukaemia no return date
Just reading that list you get various feelings until you reach the bottom. Then it hits you hard. Very hard.
It does and I'm not really sure he should be included on that list, that transcends an injury list.
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What I find odd is Lambert saying he has no idea when players are back. Surely a physio is keeping track of it and has some sort of idea. I mean what's wrong with Vlaar he's been out for ages.
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What's a "Gilmores groin"?
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Do we still have the same medical team as we have had for a few years or are they a new team brought in by PL? Because I cannot remember having so many players out with, on first appearance, minor injuries which then take 6 or more weeks to resolve.
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What I find odd is Lambert saying he has no idea when players are back. Surely a physio is keeping track of it and has some sort of idea. I mean what's wrong with Vlaar he's been out for ages.
This was on the back of my mind when I started this thread. Initial news was out for couple of games and now no idea as to his return. Dunne seems to be ready and than not. N'Zogbia gets injured when he is lying down on the treatment table it appears!
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What's a "Gilmores groin"?
Type of Hernia I believe
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Also Weimann looked injured to me at the end of today's game.
Lambert said he played through an injury in the press conference after the game.
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We were by the players car park before the game and watched Weimann hobble across it. Amazed that he started yesterday!
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With regards to Richard Dunne
The key to recovery after the operation is related to prehabilitation, the key being that the fitter the patient is before the operation, the quicker they will recover.
Following surgery a 4 to 6 week rehab period applies, which begs the question why has this dragged on?
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What's a "Gilmores groin"?
Type of Hernia I believe
It's part of a Happy Families set, along with Gilmores eyes
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What's a "Gilmores groin"?
Knowing Dunne, it's probably a massive steak.
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With regards to Richard Dunne
The key to recovery after the operation is related to prehabilitation, the key being that the fitter the patient is before the operation, the quicker they will recover.
Following surgery a 4 to 6 week rehab period applies, which begs the question why has this dragged on?
I read yesterday that he had further surgery last week in the USA. It said he should be able to train in 3 weeks and should be available to play some time in February.
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I also read that he just had an operation in Philadelphia, this would give him an outside chance of games in Feb,March fixtures also looking winnable as well.
Some terrible journalists on WM and whatever Tom Ross's show is called now, this kind of info not even mooted,
a dull interview with Des Bremner on WM, not Des's fault and extreme back slapping on Tom Ross's show after our Liverpool win.
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What's a "Gilmores groin"?
Type of Hernia I believe
Sports hernia.....Gilmore is the name of the surgeon who perfected the procedure to repair. I had one.
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What's a "Gilmores groin"?
Something very painful inflicted by a jealous and bitter Roger Waters.
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With regards to Richard Dunne
The key to recovery after the operation is related to prehabilitation, the key being that the fitter the patient is before the operation, the quicker they will recover.
Following surgery a 4 to 6 week rehab period applies, which begs the question why has this dragged on?
You've answered your own question there.
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What's a "Gilmores groin"?
Something very painful inflicted by a jealous and bitter Roger Waters.
His entire back catalogue?
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What's a "Gilmores groin"?
Something very painful inflicted by a jealous and bitter Roger Waters.
His entire back catalogue?
Maybe your groin goes Uncomfortably Numb?
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Weimann was popping pills during the game yesterday.
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I also read that he just had an operation in Philadelphia
Is that anywhere near the groin?
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Weimann was popping pills during the game yesterday.
The midfield looked like they were all taking ketamine.
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Weimann was popping pills during the game yesterday.
The midfield looked like they were all taking ketamine.
Oh those halcyon days.
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What's a "Gilmores groin"?
Type of Hernia I believe
Sports hernia.....Gilmore is the name of the surgeon who perfected the procedure to repair. I had one.
Knowing that you are an elite athlete like Richard how long did it take you to get back to your best?
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I read today something about Dunne going to New York Red Bulls next month?!?!
I can imagine the first phone call from his agent informing him of it. He probably said, "yes please, with fries and a large coke"
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@MatKendrick: Agbonlahor, Bent and N'Zogbia could return to training today, but too early to know if they will be fit to face Ipswich tomorrow #avfc
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Surely there's no chance of Bent being ready.
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What about Vlaar? I mean he's missed 7 matches with a 'calf strain', how long does it take? we badly need him back.
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@MatKendrick: Ron Vlaar and Nathan Baker still struggling, as is Ashley Westwood #avfc
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Bloody hell, I understand Westwood and Baker struggling as their injuries are recent but the Vlaar thing is very odd.
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@MatKendrick: For those asking for a timeframe on @RonVlaar4 injury lay-off, there has not been one given #avfc
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This Vlaar injury is a worry. I mean, how injured can a calf muscle really be? It's either a torn muscle, which would mean no more than 4 weeks with the treatment footballers get. Worse would be damage to the the tendon that attaches it to the bone which takes longer but this long?
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Bloody hell, I understand Westwood and Baker struggling as their injuries are recent but the Vlaar thing is very odd.
Vlaar tweeted a few weeks ago he expected be back for the Liverpool game , so it doesn't seem to be improving much.
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As for Baker, have you ever known such an injury prone player at his age? On the AVFC site yesterday he says he could have played rugby. I'm sure he could, he would only have lasted one tackle where by the result of which would be the same as what happens to a toughened glass windscreen when a stone hits it.
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I reckon Vlaar is dead but they don't want to tell us.
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Baker's made of glass, which I think may seriously affect his chances of ever making it here.
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Bloody hell, I understand Westwood and Baker struggling as their injuries are recent but the Vlaar thing is very odd.
Vlaar tweeted a few weeks ago he expected be back for the Liverpool game , so it doesn't seem to be improving much.
So none of this makes any sense. What's happened since then?
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Bloody hell, I understand Westwood and Baker struggling as their injuries are recent but the Vlaar thing is very odd.
Vlaar tweeted a few weeks ago he expected be back for the Liverpool game , so it doesn't seem to be improving much.
So none of this makes any sense. What's happened since then?
He got hit by a windmill when visiting family.
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It seems our 'strained/muscle' injuries appear to take forever to heal. Other players from rival clubs seem to be back far quicker. The Vlaar injury is a mystery. I think he's been out for at least six weeks now, which for a calf strain seems a very long time.
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Bloody hell, I understand Westwood and Baker struggling as their injuries are recent but the Vlaar thing is very odd.
Vlaar tweeted a few weeks ago he expected be back for the Liverpool game , so it doesn't seem to be improving much.
So none of this makes any sense. What's happened since then?
He got hit by a windmill when visiting family.
Very good.
I drove through Holland to Germany for the Hamburg game, and by god it is the most boring landscape I have seen! Apart from the odd windmill of course.
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@MatKendrick: Agbonlahor, Bent and N'Zogbia could return to training today, but too early to know if they will be fit to face Ipswich tomorrow #avfc
We're ok upfront....it's defenders we need back and pronto! If not, we need to dip into the market NOW. FFS Lambert - 17 goals shipped in the last 4 matches!
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Paul Lambert hopes Gabby Agbonlahor, Darren Bent and Charles N'Zogbia could play a part in the FA Cup third round tie against Ipswich.
Agbonlahor and Bent resumed training this week after missing the Christmas period with thigh and hamstring injuries respectively.
N'Zogbia, who has been out of action for three weeks with a knee problem, was hoping to join in with the rest of the squad in today's session at Bodymoor Heath.
Having the trio back would be a big boost for Lambert with a cup double-header against Ipswich and Bradford on the horizon.
However, Ashley Westwood is definitely out after injuring his ankle ligaments against Swansea, while Ron Vlaar and Richard Dunne remain on the casualty list.
Karim El Ahmadi linked up with Morocco on Sunday ahead of the forthcoming Africa Cup of Nations tournament in South Africa.
"Ashley Westwood I think is going to struggle," said Lambert.
"The lads I've mentioned just there will hopefully come through this morning and will see how they are feeling.
"Hopefully we will get one or two back and that will help us. If we can try to change it then it's something I'll try to do.
"Charles N'Zogbia is doing ok and hopefully will be able to train today. Ron Vlaar is still struggling.
"Richard is doing really fine. There are no ill effects from the operation but he's still way short from training."
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It wouldn't surprise me if the club knew immediately that Vlaar would be out for months, but hid it from us like they have to keep us happy and from turning on Lambert. Vlaar was his big signing and his injury record was a concern for many of us.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the club knew immediately that Vlaar would be out for months, but hid it from us like they have to keep us happy and from turning on Lambert. Vlaar was his big signing and his injury record was a concern for many of us.
Just looked online, and his injury history is horrendous which I didn't realise at the time. It makes the decision not to get another central defender in the summer even more bonkers.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the club knew immediately that Vlaar would be out for months, but hid it from us like they have to keep us happy and from turning on Lambert. Vlaar was his big signing and his injury record was a concern for many of us.
Just looked online, and his injury history is horrendous which I didn't realise at the time. It makes the decision not to get another central defender in the summer even more bonkers.
So...more of a High Alumina Cement Concrete Ron, then?
http://www.gbg.co.uk/?page=strhacont
From the above website:
'General Notes on High Alumina Cement Concrete
HAC concrete has achieved a certain notoriety following the collapse of several buildings in the 1970's'
Iremember it well.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the club knew immediately that Vlaar would be out for months, but hid it from us like they have to keep us happy and from turning on Lambert. Vlaar was his big signing and his injury record was a concern for many of us.
Just looked online, and his injury history is horrendous which I didn't realise at the time. It makes the decision not to get another central defender in the summer even more bonkers.
Oh crap, do we have another Laursen on our hands?
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It wouldn't surprise me if the club knew immediately that Vlaar would be out for months, but hid it from us like they have to keep us happy and from turning on Lambert. Vlaar was his big signing and his injury record was a concern for many of us.
Just looked online, and his injury history is horrendous which I didn't realise at the time. It makes the decision not to get another central defender in the summer even more bonkers.
Oh crap, do we have another Laursen on our hands?
Until he starts playing like Laursen, no. No we don't.
It's a worry though. We really need an experienced centre half at the moment. Vlaar and Dunne have spent too much time out injured. If we can get Lescott in quickly (not that he's been injury free by any stretch) then we'll be stronger.
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Let's not pin our hopes on lescott . .
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So we really bought Fibreglass Ron then. Bugger.
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So we really bought Fibreglass Ron then. Bugger.
I think it's more Peanut Brittle Ron to be honest.
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As for Baker, have you ever known such an injury prone player at his age? On the AVFC site yesterday he says he could have played rugby. I'm sure he could, he would only have lasted one tackle where by the result of which would be the same as what happens to a toughened glass windscreen when a stone hits it.
He's a committed defender and those will always pick up an injury or two, James Collins was the same. Pretty sure in the first couple of games Baker played for us, he came off concussed twice!
I remember when Vlaar came off against Arsenal, people thought we might see him back for the Reading game on the Tuesday or the QPR game the following Saturday. Probably seemed wildly optimistic but big concern he's been out so long now.
I'm pretty sure Lambert did say he was in light training away from the group last week so maybe he could be thrown in against Southampton seeing as Gabby, N'zogbia and Bent all started today after weeks on the sidelines.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the club knew immediately that Vlaar would be out for months, but hid it from us like they have to keep us happy and from turning on Lambert. Vlaar was his big signing and his injury record was a concern for many of us.
Just looked online, and his injury history is horrendous which I didn't realise at the time. It makes the decision not to get another central defender in the summer even more bonkers.
So...more of a High Alumina Cement Concrete Ron, then?
http://www.gbg.co.uk/?page=strhacont
From the above website:
'General Notes on High Alumina Cement Concrete
HAC concrete has achieved a certain notoriety following the collapse of several buildings in the 1970's'
Iremember it well.
and me as my school fell down but lukilee enuf it didnt ave ene effected on of me nowatimeanenit
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Oh crap, do we have another Laursen on our hands?
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I certainly hope so!!
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Any news on Darren Bent? He picked up an injury at Bradford so is he be available against Southampton?
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Any news on Darren Bent? He picked up an injury at Bradford so is he be available against Southampton?
Ligament damage - 10 days at least.
Vlaar may be fit, Westwood and Holman back.
Herd out several weeks, albrighton 2 months, given doubtful, dunne back training next week hopefully.
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Dunne be handy back can be dodgy at times but also can play the odd blinder like he did towards end of season.
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Full injury update:
Vlaar possibly back, Westwood back, Holman back, Bent out, Herd out, Albrighton out, Dunne out, Given out (knee), Gardner out
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Full injury update:
Vlaar possibly back, Westwood back, Holman back, Bent out, Herd out, Albrighton out, Dunne out, Given out (knee), Gardner out
Interesting to hear that Given's out, does this mean Siegrist will be on the bench? Do we still have Andy Marshall?
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What's up with Herd? Or does he have a fake injury because he may be the culprit (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=48768.0)?
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Physio Room has updated, it cites Saturday 19th of Jan as Vlaar's return date, and the 22nd for Bent.
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Well, that wasn't so hard now, was it Villa.
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Football365 saying Dunne will resume training this week. Never thought we'd be so desperate for him to return.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2013/0115/1224328887001.html
Bit more on Dunne
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Could see him in February then.
Think I'd go Vlaar-Baker for the next few weeks and then if the situation is still desperate in the run in Vlaar-Dunne as a last resort.
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If we continue to leak goals as we have been doing I would say Dunne - Vlaar will be the pairing Lambert should go for at the business end of the season
Baker looks promising but we have been crying out for experience all season so go with Concrete and Two Tonne for the run in
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It wouldn't surprise me if the club knew immediately that Vlaar would be out for months, but hid it from us like they have to keep us happy and from turning on Lambert. Vlaar was his big signing and his injury record was a concern for many of us.
Just looked online, and his injury history is horrendous which I didn't realise at the time. It makes the decision not to get another central defender in the summer even more bonkers.
So...more of a High Alumina Cement Concrete Ron, then?
http://www.gbg.co.uk/?page=strhacont
From the above website:
'General Notes on High Alumina Cement Concrete
HAC concrete has achieved a certain notoriety following the collapse of several buildings in the 1970's'
Iremember it well.
and me as my school fell down but lukilee enuf it didnt ave ene effected on of me nowatimeanenit
mine survived :) Hope Ron has. Hope the Villa does!