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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: richardhubbard on December 28, 2012, 03:05:09 PM
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Who is this very up and down season been at mid way point player of season and mis fit no hoper?
Player of season I am going to go for Westwood, I just think this guy given 2 seasons will be a top class player
No hoper - Ngzobia - Utter disaster of a signing
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Player of half season, it's a tough call between Benteke and Guzan. I'll say Guzan despite the last two games.
No Hoper- Again tough, i don't think anyone has been terribly awful but i'll go for N'Zogbia.
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Best player - Guzan
Worst - Delph
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Best - Benteke
Worst - Ireland
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Best player - benteke just ahead of Westwood and Guzan, special mention to Lowton too.
No hoper - kea
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I think my player of the season is Guzan, with honourable mentions to Weimann and Benteke.
No hoper of the season is Gabby, as he should have the experience to do better. Harsh to call any of the kids no-hopers.
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Best for me is a toss up between Westwood (most surprising), Benteke (most exciting) and Guzan (most consistent).
As for worst, I've been very disapointed in KEA.
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I think my player of the season is Guzan, with honourable mentions to Weimann and Benteke.
No hoper of the season is Gabby, as he should have the experience to do better. Harsh to call any of the kids no-hopers.
I came very very close to picking Gabby. His goals in the Cup and up at Sunderland saved him but he's nowhere near the player he can be.
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Very hard to separate Westwood, Benteke, Lowton, Weimann and Guzan. Would have to go with Guzan as I think the others have been (understandably) not 100% consistent.
Not sure who to pick as worst as there are mitigating circumstances in most cases, I'd pick KEA as most disappointing as he looked very good pre-season. The lad has talent though so I back him to come good sooner or later.
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I think my player of the season is Guzan, with honourable mentions to Weimann and Benteke.
No hoper of the season is Gabby, as he should have the experience to do better. Harsh to call any of the kids no-hopers.
I came very very close to picking Gabby. His goals in the Cup and up at Sunderland saved him but he's nowhere near the player he can be.
2nd worst on my list as well, hugely dissappointed with him yet again , never been anywhere near his best form since o Neill left
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Best: Tie for me between Guzan and Benteke.
Worst: Another tie, Dunne and Zog.
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Best: Tie for me between Guzan and Benteke.
Worst: Another tie, Dunne and Zog.
How can you pick Dunne when he's not played?
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What does 'no-hoper' even mean?
The player who has played the worst? The player you don't think should play? The player who hasn't played at all?
Could Dunne have realistically been expected to do anything more?
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Best - Benteke (with Guzan a very close 2nd)
Worst - Ireland (just isn't the player we wanted or needed, has had enough chances for me and has never taken charge)
Most improved (added because he deserves a mention) - Weimann (has gone from 4th choice to regular starter)
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While we are here I might as well nominate Weimann for the goal of the season award at Liverpool- cant see anyone scoring a better one unless benteke snatches the Wembley winner in injury time .
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Best: Tie for me between Guzan and Benteke.
Worst: Another tie, Dunne and Zog.
How can you pick Dunne when he's not played?
Probably for the same reasons I picked Zog who has started 3 games.
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Best: Tie for me between Guzan and Benteke.
Worst: Another tie, Dunne and Zog.
How can you pick Dunne when he's not played?
Probably for the same reasons I picked Zog who has started 3 games.
Which are?
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Best: Tie for me between Guzan and Benteke.
Worst: Another tie, Dunne and Zog.
How can you pick Dunne when he's not played?
Probably for the same reasons I picked Zog who has started 3 games.
Which are?
That I don't rate either based on when they have played in the last couple of years and between them they've trousered a couple of million this season while contributing not a great deal.
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Guzan, Benteke
Worst Kea & Delph
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Westwood, Guzan, Lowton and Benteke are all more a less on a par for me.
I don't know on no hoper that's tough, but I'd say KEA was most disappointing.
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Best: Tie for me between Guzan and Benteke.
Worst: Another tie, Dunne and Zog.
How can you pick Dunne when he's not played?
Probably for the same reasons I picked Zog who has started 3 games.
Which are?
That I don't rate either based on when they have played in the last couple of years and between them they've trousered a couple of million this season while contributing not a great deal.
Which means you'd be right if the question was 'biggets ho-hoper of the last 2 and a half seasons'.
Don't get me wrong - I'm happy enough for Dunne to be shown the door, but that's not based on the 2012-2013 season.
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BEST - Guzan
WORST - Delph, KEA or Albrighton
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Best: Tie for me between Guzan and Benteke.
Worst: Another tie, Dunne and Zog.
How can you pick Dunne when he's not played?
Probably for the same reasons I picked Zog who has started 3 games.
Which are?
That I don't rate either based on when they have played in the last couple of years and between them they've trousered a couple of million this season while contributing not a great deal.
I still don't understand though what you would have expected Dunne to have er... done.
It's not like he's been able to play and played badly. He's been paid the money that he is owed while being injured. It's like complaining that Petrov's not contributed a great deal this season. You wouldn't really expect him to.
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It didn't say in the OP that the player had to have played. So as Dunne has contributed nothing to our cause this season i'm picking him*. So ner ner.
*It has absolutely nothing to do with me not liking him. Honest.
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Best - Benteke. Special mention for Clark.
Worst- KEA or Ireland, the latter has bags of talent and could be an absolute legend for the Villa but doesnt give a fuck, that irkes me.
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I still don't understand though what you would have expected Dunne to have er... done.
It's not like he's been able to play and played badly. He's been paid the money that he is owed while being injured. It's like complaining that Petrov's not contributed a great deal this season. You wouldn't really expect him to.
It's an irrational dislike of him for constantly being injured from picking up iced buns.
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Best - tie between Benteke and Guzan. Benteke has had some poor games but also some storming ones, and even though we've conceded a lot of goals with Guzan between the sticks, we probably would've shipped a lot more if he wasnt on such good form.
Im not going to say no-hoper for any of them (I'm an optimist and I dont think theres a player on the team who doesnt have the potential to do well for us). However, N'Zogbia and Ireland are perhaps the most disappointing because theyre both very skilful and talented players, but they just dont put in any bloody effort!
As for KEA, its been said before: he has the talent, he was excellent at Feyernoord and in pre season. He might have been useless for a few months now but once he's had a bit more time to adapt/bulk up he'll fit in just fine.
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Guzan/Westwood/Weimann/Benteke
KEA/Delph
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Best - Benteke with mentions for Clark,Wiemann and Westwood for trying, manfully to step up.
Shittest - Ireland, for failing to manfully step up and show some fucking leadership and earn some of he vast fortunes we are paying the fucking wastrel.
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Best- Westwood.
Worst-Bent.
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The quicker we rid ourselves (and wage bill) of Given, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Zog, Warnock and Ireland the better. There must be the thick end of 300k a week getting thrown down the drain in that lot. A disgrace
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The quicker we rid ourselves (and wage bill) of Given, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Zog, Warnock and Ireland the better. There must be the thick end of 300k a week getting thrown down the drain in that lot. A disgrace
But.......if we want some quality in the squad, we would still need to be spending a huge percentage of that 300k.
Remember, pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
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I really like Lowton.
Best- Benteke
Worst- Benetek
And I'm not messing around, he has been unplayable in half the games, yet absolutely terrible in the others.
Hopefully by the end of the season he will have found his consistency.
Another thing, KEA was great for about 2 months, then terrible there after, not much difference to Benteke overall really.
We NEED experience from this league.
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Best - You're having a laugh.
Worst - KEA
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The quicker we rid ourselves (and wage bill) of Given, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Zog, Warnock and Ireland the better. There must be the thick end of 300k a week getting thrown down the drain in that lot.
A disgrace
But.......if we want some quality in the squad, we would still need to be spending a huge percentage of that 300k.
Remember, pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
True, but I'd prefer monkeys that put a shift in
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Best - Guzan. Shout outs for Benteke and Weimann, too.
Worst - take your pick. Delph, KEA, Bennett have all struck me as offering very, very little indeed.
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Lowton because I think he has been the most consistant.
No hoper KEA, I just dont think he is good enough at this level.
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Best Guzan (by a nose from Benteke) both excellent
Worst KEA (by a nose from Ireland) both useless and then some.
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Best for me probably Guzan ahead of Benteke and Weimann because of consistency.
I'm not sure why some people rate Lowton so highly as he looks ok but pretty ordinary to me, or Clark, as he gets caught out an awful lot - but the one who has looked most out of his depth for me so far has been Bennett. It would be unfair to label him a no-hoper until he gets more of a run, but at the moment to me he looks like a schoolboy who has wandered on to the pitch.
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Best for me probably Guzan ahead of Benteke and Weimann because of consistency.
I'm not sure why some people rate Lowton so highly as he looks ok but pretty ordinary to me, or Clark, as he gets caught out an awful lot - but the one who has looked most out of his depth for me so far has been Bennett. It would be unfair to label him a no-hoper until he gets more of a run, but at the moment to me he looks like a schoolboy who has wandered on to the pitch.
I think he's had a lot of injury problems , once Bennett gets a few games under his belt and gets his match fitness I think he will be a decent player, he was injured when he signed, has been suspended and also had two long lay offs with a knee injury- lets hope now his problems are behind him.
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The quicker we rid ourselves (and wage bill) of Given, Ireland, Dunne, Hutton, Zog, Warnock and Ireland the better. There must be the thick end of 300k a week getting thrown down the drain in that lot. A disgrace
my god, that written down is frightening
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Best - Guzan
Worst - Delph
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Best - Guzan
Worst - KEA
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Best - Benteke
Worst - N'Zogbia
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Best - Benteke
Worst - KEA
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Guzan
Bennett
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Guzan
Given
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Not many mentions for Mr Darren Bent
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Best so far: Benteke (despite some Heskeyesque finishing at times!)
Worst so far: Bennett, Albrighton and Herd have all looked well short of what is required thus far
KEA has flattered to deceive but may need to adjust to the pace of the English game, something the above three can't use as an excuse
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Best is Guzan, with creditable mentions for Benteke, Westwood, Baker, Clark and Lowton
Satisfactory so far but room for improvement: El Ahmedi, Bannan and Bent
Jury is still out on: Bennett and Holman
Worst: N'Zogbia, Ireland and Gabby
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Best - Guzan, mr consistency
Worst - Bent, his chances have been limited but he doesn't seem overly fussed and as our talisman we should expect more.
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Best: Guzan - never been confident in a keeper to deal with corsses until he came along.
Worst: Albrighton, what a waste.
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Best: Guzan - Good on crosses AND a great shot stopper. Rarely seen both at B6 over the last 30 years.
Worst: Ireland - Absolute waster, over paid and over rated beyond belief. Epitome of where we've gone wrong over the last 2/3 years.
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Best so far - Guzan
Most Hopeful - Westwood/Weimann
Inconsistency award - Delph
No hoper - Bent
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BEST - Guzan
WORST - Delph, KEA or Albrighton
Pretty much sums it up
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BEST - Guzan
WORST - Delph, KEA or Albrighton
Pretty much sums it up
For me too, although Albrighton has had much fewer minutes on the pitch than the others. KEA looks a yard off the pace to me but I'm hoping (blind faith?) that he catches up. Delph doesn't seem able to fufil the early promise he showed when Stan wrote in a match programme right after we signed him that he was going to be something very special. He isn't.
As for our top performers, Guzan pushes Benteke out because he's been consistently ace. Notable mentions for Lowton, Westwood and Weimann. Bannan has had some good moments too but not enough of them - same with the Baker/Clark partnership.
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Best - 1. Guzan, 2. Lowton, 3. Westwood
Worst - 1. Ireland, 2. Ireland, 3. Ireland - talent to be anything he wants, attitude and work ethic of participants of your average episode of Jeremy Kyle.
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Benteke
Bennett
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Guzan beneteke weeman are the players of our half season
unfortuc the 'no hope' has been the defence and midfield. I would only single out Ireland. Nzogbia. Gabby as they have epl experience too ! The others are still adapting
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Best benteke
Worst lichaj
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Best: Guzan - never been confident in a keeper to deal with corsses until he came along.
Worst: Albrighton, what a waste.
I will go with this.
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Best - no such thing
worst - KEA
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Best- Has to be Guzan.
Worst- Ireland, we should just get rid of him.
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Another vote for;
Best: Guzan
Worst: Ireland. Although a bit more controversial is that I have never been a fan of Bennett.
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If our first team squad walked past me in Sainsbury's I probably wouldn't be able to place names to faces for at least half of them.
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If our first team squad walked past me in Sainsbury's I probably wouldn't be able to place names to faces for at least half of them.
They'd be the lost ones who a kind old lady would find wondering up and down the cereal aisle before passing them over to staff who would make an announcement for their parents to collect them from customer services.
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Best: Weimann. Underrated, scored some great goals and works his socks off. Seems intelligent and crafty too. Of all the home produced products he's the one I have most faith in. Lowton, Baker, Guzan and Benteke are also in the mix but have made some shaky performances lately. Clark has really disappointed me over Christmas. I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt all season but he needs to man up soon. He's not all that young and inexperienced any more.
No hoper: N'Zogbia. What an investment he's been.
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1/2 POTS - Guzan, Lowton, Westwood, Weimann & Benteke
Hopeless - Delph, CNZ, KEA & Ireland
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Best- Has to be Guzan.
Worst- Ireland, we should just get rid of him.
This for me. No brainer on both although you N'Zogbia runs Ireland a close second on levels of absolute crapness relative to outlay/wages.
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If our first team squad walked past me in Sainsbury's I probably wouldn't be able to place names to faces for at least half of them.
They'd be the lost ones who a kind old lady would find wondering up and down the cereal aisle before passing them over to staff who would make an announcement for their parents to collect them from customer services.
They'd probably push their trollies around aimlessly, up and down the central aisle, and never actually get to the checkout.
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Guzan for me is by far the best we have in the pitch
Worst is a toss up between KEA and Herd. KEa doesn't add anything as far as I've seen. Herd is completely out of his depth. Positionaly he's gone wondering and cost us a few goals over the last few matches. KEA just edges it for me as herd was good last season and I've seen glimpses of a good player in him this season.
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Herd is also being played out of position which is tough for any player let alone one with probably 20 games under his belt.
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Herd has been really poor, but as people have said, he's being played out of position, and hes still young. To his credit, he works hard and isn't shy about getting stuck in. I still don't think he's ever going to be good enough to be more than a squad/reserve player, but when you have people with more natural talent on 4 or 5 times the wages (like Ireland) playing even worse......
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Best: Guzan, no contest. Westwood and Benteke have been good too.
No Hoper: Hmmm... This might be quite difficult. Lets say Ireland. But honestly, you could name any of four or five.
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Best. Westwood, closely followed by Wiemann, Guzan and Benteke
Worst. Ireland. Bannan would be second worst for me
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Best for me would be Lowton. The worst has to be Ireland
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Best - Benteke
Worst - KEA
I still think N'Zogbia can be good for us. This season he's struggled with injury - but showed at Norwich that he can play a bit. The guy has so much ability and I hope Lambert can get the best out of him.
Bennett is very raw but could be good - he's quick and can beat a player; one to watch.
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Best: Guzan
Worst: KEA (We've got to be the only club who don't mind sending a player to the African nations cup).
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Best: Guzan is a decent shout, but almost any keeper of teams in the bottom 4-5 looks decent, due to the sheer volume of shots at goal, he's bound to save a few here and there. Benteke, Weimann or Clarke for me.
Worst:
KEA..Has he contributed anything this season?
Albrighton is a turd and is more suited to a job in a supermarket
Lichaj is genuinely the worst footballer I've ever seen.
Delph..Jesus fucking Christ, how much did we pay for this dickhead?
Bannan has potential, and has his moments, if only he'd play the sensible ten yard pass instead of constantly twatting it 40 yards out for a throw in. He's no Iniesta, but seems convinced he is.
Gabby: He seems a bit of a Hendrie. We'll be saying this guy has 'potential' until he's 32. The guy has been shit for about 3 years. I don't give a toss if he's a Villa fan. So am I, and I don't get a game. He doesn't belong in this league.