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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Simba on December 10, 2012, 12:29:28 PM
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"PFA calls for netting around pitch to protect players after Rio Ferdinand is struck by coin during Manchester derby
Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor has said there is a case for putting netting up around areas of the pitch to protect players after Rio Ferdinand was struck by a coin during the Manchester derby."
Surely not.
Villa related - given that Rio F apparently had something thrown at him from the Holte. That true? I was there and saw nothing.
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Now they do this. Where was the protection for us in the stands when James Collins was attempting a pass ?
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Or when De La Cruz fired that free kick high and wide.
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Would this be so high profile if it wasnt for Ferdinand? I did not hear about nets being put around players for when Fergiscum kicks boots at players faces. One moron and everyone has to suffer. As for Ferdinand - he needed clubbing to the head for appearing at X factor final in those trousers - good God man - what was he thinking
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"PFA calls for netting around pitch to protect players after Rio Ferdinand is struck by coin during Manchester derby
Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor has said there is a case for putting netting up around areas of the pitch to protect players after Rio Ferdinand was struck by a coin during the Manchester derby."
Surely not.
Villa related - given that Rio F apparently had something thrown at him from the Holte. That true? I was there and saw nothing.
He did have something thrown towards him but i'm not sure what? Surprised the city fans had any change left given the amount thrown at the away section.
And netting would affect TV coverage so no chance of this happening.
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Why not bring fences back as well.Twats.
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Just stick Rio Ferdinand in a transparent plexiglas case (as per David Blaine) at approx ten to three every Saturday/Sunday. That ought to do it.
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They do it in Spain, you kinda get used to it.
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They do it in ice hockey. You can't even tell the net is there. It would be weird initially and probably works better if the fans are further back than they are at most football grounds, especially in the UK.
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Knee jerk reaction.
I don't see why I should be in a net, I'm not a fish!
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I've seen things thrown from the corner of the holte/trinity at a few players in my time.
I'm sure once someone threw an orange at Ashley Ward and it hit him on the arse.
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Typical over reaction
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Typical over reaction
it might be, but had the coin hit Ferdinand square in the eye and today he's blind we'd be having a very different reaction everywhere. Nets may not be the solution and the player has played a part in what happened. But the incident itself is serious and shouldn't be blown off.
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How about the PFA advise their members not to act like pricks when they celebrate near opposition fans.
Not to condone what happened, but there's always a risk of the odd nutter when they do this.
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Surely away players should be able to celebrate a last minute winner in a derby game in front of their own fans? It's not like he did a Collymore and stood in front of the opposition fans staring at them with arms outstretched openly goading them.
How about if Gabby had been hit at the Sty after one of his late winners? Or Young and Laursen as they ran past a stand full of Evertonians with hands behind their ears after THAT goal (cue Legion).
As big a twat as Ferdinand is, he could easily have been blinded and to me, it shouldn't just be brushed under the carpet as one of those things that happen at football.
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Since when has the PFA been for the good of the game.
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Surely a coin would go through a net anyway?
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Memories of nets between the kop and the tilton in the 1970's with darts and spark-plugs hanging off them.
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There needs to be some perspective, putting nets up in my view sends the wrong message
What happens if things are thrown allong the sides of the pitch? are we going to put nets up all around the ground?
May as well just go back to the fences.
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Maybe football clubs could deploy Israel’s Iron Dome Defence System in their stadiums. If it can intercept Palestinian rockets it should be able to neutralise hotdogs, burgers, plastic bottles , small coins and other potentially lethal projectiles.
Our footballers need more protection and this should be a priority.
Come on Platini, si vous plait
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Maybe football clubs could deploy Israel’s Iron Dome Defence System in their stadiums. If it can intercept Palestinian rockets it should be able to neutralise hotdogs, burgers, plastic bottles , small coins and other potentially lethal projectiles.
Our footballers need more protection and this should be a priority.
Come on Platini, si vous plait
HOw about American Secret Service style body guards.
They can throw themselves in front of our poor underpaid footballers and take the impact from the missles thrown
Mind you I cant see many doing it to protect Ferdinand
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How about using all the cctv cameras fixed on the stands to catch the "throwers" instead of using them to see whose standing?
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After some of the garbage we've seen served up over the last couple of seasons a brick wall would be appropriate.
Seriously though, players shouldn't have to put up with that. I hope it doesn't come to netting but it will only take a couple more incidents of wankers chucking stuff and it will become impossible to argue against it.
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At least a net would protect fans in the upper Holte when Albrighton crosses.
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How about using all the cctv cameras fixed on the stands to catch the "throwers" instead of using them to see whose standing?
Agreed.
I'm not entirely against nets. I think they're a safe alternative to fences, and lets face it, this incident involving Ferdinand is hardly a one off, it happens fairly regularly.
I see two problems with it, however, firstly, as someone else pointed out, a coin will go through most nets, and the tighter the netting, the more it obscures the view of fans. Secondly, in any game that there's coins going towards the pitch, they're likely to be flying in to and away from the away end too, are we going to surround the pitch with netting, and also surround the away end with it?
CCTV may be a better solution, you'd think they'd be able to narrow down who the culprits are by the seat numbers if there's sufficient coverage of the stands.
Does any other sport have this problem? It's ridiculous that this sort of thing has to be discussed at this point.
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Surely away players should be able to celebrate a last minute winner in a derby game in front of their own fans? It's not like he did a Collymore and stood in front of the opposition fans staring at them with arms outstretched openly goading them.
How about if Gabby had been hit at the Sty after one of his late winners? Or Young and Laursen as they ran past a stand full of Evertonians with hands behind their ears after THAT goal (cue Legion).
As big a twat as Ferdinand is, he could easily have been blinded and to me, it shouldn't just be brushed under the carpet as one of those things that happen at football.
Fond memories:
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Bring back the SPG.
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Surely away players should be able to celebrate a last minute winner in a derby game in front of their own fans? It's not like he did a Collymore and stood in front of the opposition fans staring at them with arms outstretched openly goading them.
How about if Gabby had been hit at the Sty after one of his late winners? Or Young and Laursen as they ran past a stand full of Evertonians with hands behind their ears after THAT goal (cue Legion).
As big a twat as Ferdinand is, he could easily have been blinded and to me, it shouldn't just be brushed under the carpet as one of those things that happen at football.
Fond memories:
Superb
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Bring back the SPG.
He was great in the Young Ones.
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Gordon Taylor needs to appreciate that week in, week out, 99.99% of football fans throw their hard-earned money straight into his greedy overpaid players' pockets. These players are at far more risk of a career-threatening injury from their fellow PFA members than they are from supporters, so stop over-reacting.
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Gordon Taylor needs to appreciate that week in, week out, 99.99% of football fans throw their hard-earned money straight into his greedy overpaid players' pockets. These players are at far more risk of a career-threatening injury from their fellow PFA members than they are from supporters, so stop over-reacting.
whilst the other 0.01% throw it straight into their faces
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I would love to throw Gordon Taylor at Rio Ferdinand.Pair of twats.
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Gordon Taylor needs to appreciate that week in, week out, 99.99% of football fans throw their hard-earned money straight into his greedy overpaid players' pockets. These players are at far more risk of a career-threatening injury from their fellow PFA members than they are from supporters, so stop over-reacting.
What the fuck kind of argument is that?
Yeah, they're more likely to be injured by tackles than violence from fans, but tackling is a fundamental part of the game, whereas a small number of scumbags in the stands are not.
I don't give a shit how much players are paid, throwing coins, or any other object than could seriously injure someone is absolutely inexcusable.
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Gordon Taylor needs to appreciate that week in, week out, 99.99% of football fans throw their hard-earned money straight into his greedy overpaid players' pockets. These players are at far more risk of a career-threatening injury from their fellow PFA members than they are from supporters, so stop over-reacting.
What the fuck kind of argument is that?
Yeah, they're more likely to be injured by tackles than violence from fans, but tackling is a fundamental part of the game, whereas a small number of scumbags in the stands are not.
I don't give a shit how much players are paid, throwing coins, or any other object than could seriously injure someone is absolutely inexcusable.
Absolutely. Is there any other form of sport or entertainment where fans have been found to throw coins at the players/performers? It's no wonder football hasn't fully shaken off its reputation from the 70s/80s.
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Now they do this. Where was the protection for us in the stands when James Collins was attempting a pass ?
I'm pretty sure Hitzlsperger killed a man with one of his shots, think of all the lives nets could have saved.
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There was no protection for our fans near the tunnel when Jermaine no Penance attempted to score on Saturday!
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We watched thru the nets at Werder Bremen. It's like looking thru fog.
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Who was it had a cup of tea thrown over them once, I think it was Gary Mac, or Denis Wise, didn’t see much wrong with that myself. Maybe we could allow certain items, sponges, polystyrene cups etc
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Gordon Taylor needs to appreciate that week in, week out, 99.99% of football fans throw their hard-earned money straight into his greedy overpaid players' pockets. These players are at far more risk of a career-threatening injury from their fellow PFA members than they are from supporters, so stop over-reacting.
What the fuck kind of argument is that?
Yeah, they're more likely to be injured by tackles than violence from fans, but tackling is a fundamental part of the game, whereas a small number of scumbags in the stands are not.
I don't give a shit how much players are paid, throwing coins, or any other object than could seriously injure someone is absolutely inexcusable.
Absolutely. Is there any other form of sport or entertainment where fans have been found to throw coins at the players/performers? It's no wonder football hasn't fully shaken off its reputation from the 70s/80s.
Cricket in India/Pakistan,they don't throw anything oh no.
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Gordon Taylor needs to appreciate that week in, week out, 99.99% of football fans throw their hard-earned money straight into his greedy overpaid players' pockets. These players are at far more risk of a career-threatening injury from their fellow PFA members than they are from supporters, so stop over-reacting.
Judging by Sunday's game it seems fan's throw their hard-earned money straight at the players themselves, I think you'll find.
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Typical Man City - as soon as they see a problem they just throw money at it.
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Typical Man City - as soon as they see a problem they just throw money at it.
Very good.
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Back onto the Rio incident, where was he actually standing at the time it happened? The only bit they really show you on SSN is the close up of him being hit by the coin and lifting his tay shirt up.
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Back onto the Rio incident, where was he actually standing at the time it happened? The only bit they really show you on SSN is the close up of him being hit by the coin and lifting his tay shirt up.
In front of the Manu fans, the coin in comes from the City fans on the side.
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Lots of different sports, lots of different voilence and objects used, all around the world, 1879 onwards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_violent_spectator_incidents_in_sports
Example...
1922May – After being ejected from a game at The Polo Grounds for throwing dirt in the eyes of the umpire, Babe Ruth chased a heckler through the stands. When the fan ran out of reach, Ruth returned to the dugout roof and challenged any fan in attendance to fight him. Ruth was suspended for seven games and fined $200 for the incident.
1924May 18 – During the Olympic rugby union final between France and the United States at Colombes Stadium, French fans booed and hissed the American team for the remainder of the game after star player Adolphe Jauréguy was flattened by a hard tackle two minutes after the opening whistle, leaving him unconscious with blood pouring down his face and having to be carried off the field on a stretcher. In the second half, French fans threw bottles and rocks onto the field and at American players and officials, wild brawls broke out in the stands, U.S. reserve Gideon Nelson was knocked unconscious after being hit in the face by a walking stick, and French fans invaded the pitch at the final whistle, leaving the French team, aided by the police, to protect the Americans. At the medal ceremony, The Star Spangled Banner was drowned out by the booing and hissing of French fans, and the American team had to be escorted to their locker room under police protection
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Back onto the Rio incident, where was he actually standing at the time it happened? The only bit they really show you on SSN is the close up of him being hit by the coin and lifting his tay shirt up.
In front of the Manu fans, the coin in comes from the City fans on the side.
Ah ok, thanks for that.
As for the netting, it's an horrible idea.
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Back onto the Rio incident, where was he actually standing at the time it happened? The only bit they really show you on SSN is the close up of him being hit by the coin and lifting his tay shirt up.
While I cant in anyway condone the mindless idiots who do this, Ferdinand was celebrating in front of the City fans so probably not the smartest thing to do.
I cant help but think if this happened to a villa player that it would not have the same high profile reaction that has happened since the Manchester Derby.
I will be disappointed if we have to resort to nets but at least our ratio of hitting one will go up! Once again a few mindless thugs will spoil this for everyone but I suppose we have keep in mind the players safety.
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There was never this level of concern for The Jam's support acts.
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I can't stand that gobshite Taylor.
As for nets, well I'm against it, though it might help the club sell a few more seats in the Trinity rather than having all the seats in the Holte as Restricted View.....
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Gary Neville's a twat, whinging last night on SKY.
Didn't he once run the full length of the pitch at Anfield just to wind the fans up in the Kop?
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It was at Old Trafford. But yes, he did.
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Since when has the PFA been for the good of the game.
Indeed. As has been pointed out elsewhere on this thread, Gordon Taylor is an outstanding ambassador for gobshitery. There is often very little common ground between players' and supporters' interests, and the PFA has proved its indifference to supporters time and time again.
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There is often very little common ground between players' and supporters' interests, and the PFA has proved its indifference to supporters time and time again.
But then it's not really their job to care about supporters. They're the Professional Footballers' Association and are there to represent the interests of professional footballers, not supporters.
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There is often very little common ground between players' and supporters' interests, and the PFA has proved its indifference to supporters time and time again.
But then it's not really their job to care about supporters. They're the Professional Footballers' Association and are there to represent the interests of professional footballers, not supporters.
You would think any association will care about it's customers.
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There is often very little common ground between players' and supporters' interests, and the PFA has proved its indifference to supporters time and time again.
But then it's not really their job to care about supporters. They're the Professional Footballers' Association and are there to represent the interests of professional footballers, not supporters.
Slightly off topic, but they are making a massive amount of noise about their new Cultural lessons incentive. Seems strange that they have never run these in the last 20 years because we have had an influx of foreign players for at least that long. Anyone would think they are worried about the loss of subs from the mooted breakaway Black Footballers Association.
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There is often very little common ground between players' and supporters' interests, and the PFA has proved its indifference to supporters time and time again.
But then it's not really their job to care about supporters. They're the Professional Footballers' Association and are there to represent the interests of professional footballers, not supporters.
You would think any association will care about it's customers.
The NUT are primarily there to care about the interests of teachers rather than pupils. UNISON are responsible for looking after the interests of doctors and nurses rather than patients.
There's no reason that the PFA should be any different.
Gordon Taylor may appear in the papers banging on about Joey Barton and John Terry, but that doesn't mean that the 35 year old League 2 player who is out of contract and in dispute with his club about his bonus payments shouldn't have a union looking after his interests.
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The best interest of any worker is safe guarded by their Union/Association playing their part in looking after the paying customers whilst challenging the management to improve the welfare of its assets, the workforce , so that customer can be best served.
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The best interest of any worker is safe guarded by their Union/Association playing their part in looking after the paying customers whilst challenging the management to improve the welfare of its assets, the workforce , so that customer can be best served.
Lovely bit of management-talk.
But completely meaningless.
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There is often very little common ground between players' and supporters' interests, and the PFA has proved its indifference to supporters time and time again.
But then it's not really their job to care about supporters. They're the Professional Footballers' Association and are there to represent the interests of professional footballers, not supporters.
The PFA were the first body to ever provide funding for the FSF.
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And that's very good of them, but it doesn't change the point that the PFA are a players' union not a supporters group.
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Is there a non (club) aligned supporters group in England? An organisation that can present the views of all supporters on matters such as safe standing and this nets issue for example. If there is, does it have teeth?
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That would be the Football Supporters Federation.
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Ah. Been out of the country for a lot of years so forgot them. They need a louder voice don't you think?