Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on November 29, 2012, 12:33:39 PM
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It sums up exactly what we need
"A Villa side with the average age of 23 is going to be littered with mistakes. These kids will learn from their mistakes. I suggest they get the backing from the fans not barracking which makes them scared to try something outside of a square 10yrd pass".
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Albrighton got a horrendous reaction against Reading when his attempted cross went miles into the Holte.
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Albrighton got a horrendous reaction against Reading when his attempted cross went miles into the Holte.
Got a horrendous reaction in my sitting room too. It was just unfortunate for him that it happened when we were getting desperate. It was an instinctive thing, a gut reaction to a wonderful opportunity wasted.
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I think to be fair the fans have been very supportive given our record over the last couple of years. Our frustrations are bound to be voiced sometimes.
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Albrighton got a horrendous reaction against Reading when his attempted cross went miles into the Holte.
I was one of them. I agree with the initial statement and get annoyed myself with other fans being impatient, but in Albrightons case, he's demonstrated that he's shit for the last 2/3 seasons.
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I think to be fair the fans have been very supportive given our record over the last couple of years. Our frustrations are bound to be voiced sometimes.
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I agree with the sentiment of this thread, really I do, but when 30,000 people collectively sigh or vent their spleen when something shit happens in a tight, dour game, it makes something of a hullabaloo. Abuse is something different of course.
Likewise, when 30,000 people explode into rapture when a perfect corner is delivered and their new darling bonces it into the net, it makes a right old clatter. The fortunes of sport.
But yes, give them some leeway. They don't need the added hassle but they must know they carry the hopes of tens of thousands on their young shoulders. They have to expect disappointment when something as shit as Albrighton's cross happens. I know I let out something of a groan. It's human nature.
The ones that succeed are the ones who can brush it off and try it again. Bannan seems to manage this well for instance.
I half expected a round of boos at half time on Tuesday but was pleasantly suprised that there was a subdued, almost sympathetic half hearted grumbling. A Parliamentary murmur you might say.
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Any chance of changing the title to reflect the content better, Hookey?
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It sums up exactly what we need
"A Villa side with the average age of 23 is going to be littered with mistakes. These kids will learn from their mistakes. I suggest they get the backing from the fans not barracking which makes them scared to try something outside of a square 10yrd pass".
Fame at last 8)
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Albrighton got a horrendous reaction against Reading when his attempted cross went miles into the Holte.
He got a chorus of "Super Marc Albrighton" from L8.
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Yes, the Villa fans have no patience at all, they rounded on McLeish from his first game in charge against Blackburn.
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Albrighton got a horrendous reaction against Reading when his attempted cross went miles into the Holte.
He certainly did from me. I was sat in the Lower Trinity right in line behind that "cross".
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I believe Villa supporters are amongst the best when it comes to backing young players, whenever a kid has come through the ranks like the Moores or whoever, the crowd have cheered them on more loudly than an established player.
At least that's what i've found.
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The thing is that even if the crowd as a whole are supportive there will be individuals or even small groups who will for whatever reason shout brainless abuse at players. We seem to have more than our fair share of them at Villa Park.
I've heard it even when the team is doing well, particularly near the touch lines.
At one point in Tuesday's game I was sure I heard the phrase 'little shit' get picked up on one of the crowd mics.
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I must admit I shouted something profane at the screen when Albrighton made that awful attempt at a cross. I immediately felt guilty when they then showed a close up of the poor lad's mush and he looked as if he was about to burst into tears. I think his confidence must be shot to bits and he probably needs a bit of encouragement. That said, he's probably on twenty grand a week and should have better technique than that.
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In Albrightons case, one of his key strengths is supposed to be his crossing. In his good half season under GH, his crossing was excellent. It just seems to have become really inconsistent. It's just sadly a little obvious that he's too limited to make it at this level. But it's a case of needs must at the moment for Lambert. Albrighton's our only fit winger, so if he wants someone to chalk their boots and offer some width (though PL is obviously more centrally minded), then we've not got a lot.
If he's got any chance of making it the lad, then he's got to get over any nerves, lack of confidence, whatever. This is a make or break season for most of the young players that Lambert inherited.
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The thing about Albrighton is, he's got it in him, he just can't do the simple things he used to. So frustrating
Added to it, he's 23, not a kid. I'm 20 and when I make a mistake at work, I get told and I don't have the luxery of 1-20k a week
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As someone said on here before he may one day justify his millionaire lifestyle with a decent performance.
Criticism? Too right, he pays more for his jeans than most on here earn in a week.
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I think he's been extremely poor in the appearances he's made this season. Although that particular cross did piss me off. it's more that his current form doesn't warrant a place on the pitch IMHO.
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How about stickying a definition of "Roller-coaster season" - so that we can avoid an entry to The Guinness Book of Records for the number of times it is used without people demonstrating any understanding of what that might entail?
That is - ups and downs - then maybe we can stop thinking we're at the start of something amazing everytime we put in a half decent performance, or that we are on our way to the Blue Square premier everytime we get beaten.
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In Albrightons case, one of his key strengths is supposed to be his crossing. In his good half season under GH, his crossing was excellent. It just seems to have become really inconsistent. It's just sadly a little obvious that he's too limited to make it at this level. But it's a case of needs must at the moment for Lambert. Albrighton's our only fit winger, so if he wants someone to chalk their boots and offer some width (though PL is obviously more centrally minded), then we've not got a lot.
If he's got any chance of making it the lad, then he's got to get over any nerves, lack of confidence, whatever. This is a make or break season for most of the young players that Lambert inherited.
Disagree with that Tom. He could have easily brought Ireland on for Weimann the other night and pushed Holman out wide.
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Yes, the Villa fans have no patience at all, they rounded on McLeish from his first game in charge against Blackburn.
Na, they didn't wait that long, they were giving him shit at Fulham away :-) And I saw him at The Shakespeare in the July after he signed and gave him a piece of my mind I can tell you.
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Yes, the Villa fans have no patience at all, they rounded on McLeish from his first game in charge against Blackburn.
Na, they didn't wait that long, they were giving him shit at Fulham away :-) And I saw him at The Shakespeare in the July after he signed and gave him a piece of my mind I can tell you.
So we're all pretending the demonstration outside VP before he was appointed didn't happen are we.
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Yes, the Villa fans have no patience at all, they rounded on McLeish from his first game in charge against Blackburn.
Na, they didn't wait that long, they were giving him shit at Fulham away :-) And I saw him at The Shakespeare in the July after he signed and gave him a piece of my mind I can tell you.
So we're all pretending the demonstration outside VP before he was appointed didn't happen are we.
i didnt see any hostility at the fulham match, most peoples attitude seemed to be, well we have got him now, may as well put up with him! though they never welcomed him.
yes there were the eejits outside the ground and they looked good didnt they? cant remember too much crap at the blackburn match either, my old man who rarely lavishes praise on anyone said of n'zogbia that day ' now that is a special player, he is going to be a villa great if he carries on like that! how wrong can you be!
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Albrighton got a horrendous reaction against Reading when his attempted cross went miles into the Holte.
Got a horrendous reaction in my sitting room too. It was just unfortunate for him that it happened when we were getting desperate. It was an instinctive thing, a gut reaction to a wonderful opportunity wasted.
There was a frustrated reaction too from the villa player running in at the far post, possibly Weimann.
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Well to be honest given the time he had to cross it and the lack of pressure he was under, it was one of the poorest crosses I've seen.
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Yes, the Villa fans have no patience at all, they rounded on McLeish from his first game in charge against Blackburn.
Na, they didn't wait that long, they were giving him shit at Fulham away :-) And I saw him at The Shakespeare in the July after he signed and gave him a piece of my mind I can tell you.
So we're all pretending the demonstration outside VP before he was appointed didn't happen are we.
A few morons, as well you know Chris.
There was no booing of him until the fateful Bolton game, You and I both know he got a fairly easy ride over the season.
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There were a few boos and murmerings of discontent from the crowd before the Bolton game, but that was when the tide turned considerably.
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Yes, the Villa fans have no patience at all, they rounded on McLeish from his first game in charge against Blackburn.
Na, they didn't wait that long, they were giving him shit at Fulham away :-) And I saw him at The Shakespeare in the July after he signed and gave him a piece of my mind I can tell you.
So we're all pretending the demonstration outside VP before he was appointed didn't happen are we.
A few morons, as well you know Chris.
There was no booing of him until the fateful Bolton game, You and I both know he got a fairly easy ride over the season.
Wigan away (25-02) was his first real volley of concerted abuse. And deservedly, he managed that game appallingly.
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Yes, the Villa fans have no patience at all, they rounded on McLeish from his first game in charge against Blackburn.
Na, they didn't wait that long, they were giving him shit at Fulham away :-) And I saw him at The Shakespeare in the July after he signed and gave him a piece of my mind I can tell you.
So we're all pretending the demonstration outside VP before he was appointed didn't happen are we.
A few morons, as well you know Chris.
There was no booing of him until the fateful Bolton game, You and I both know he got a fairly easy ride over the season.
Morons maybe but there were a few hundred of them.
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Yes, the Villa fans have no patience at all, they rounded on McLeish from his first game in charge against Blackburn.
Na, they didn't wait that long, they were giving him shit at Fulham away :-) And I saw him at The Shakespeare in the July after he signed and gave him a piece of my mind I can tell you.
So we're all pretending the demonstration outside VP before he was appointed didn't happen are we.
A few morons, as well you know Chris.
There was no booing of him until the fateful Bolton game, You and I both know he got a fairly easy ride over the season.
Morons maybe but there were a few hundred of them.
Say 300-ish.
That's at best 1% of our average home crowd.
Does anybody know anybody who protested there?
I've never met one.
99% of Villa supporters I spoke to said*
'What a shit appointment, but we have to give him a chance.'
* I also spoke to a Cornish Fisherman who said it was becoming increasingly impossible to earn a living under the Labour Party backed EU fishing quotas, plus a black man who told me he felt racially marginalised under the Labour Governmment.
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This?
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500 according to that report above, so about 1.8% of the average home crowd.
All fucking idiots anyway, the one in the bodywarmer who can barely speak and the meathead climbing up on the fence.
Hardly typical Villa supporters.
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I love it when she says "I will," to the not renewing season tickets comment right at the start.
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I've never seen that video before.
There really are some absolute scumbags who associate themselves with the Villa. The first two interviewed looked and sounded like they needed help getting dressed in the morning.
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I've never seen that video before.
There really are some absolute scumbags who associate themselves with the Villa. The first two interviewed looked and sounded like they needed help getting dressed in the morning.
I'll wager a lot of them only go to a game once in a blue moon, not to mention various non-Villa ne'er do wells who wandered down there to get their fizogs on the TV.
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I've never seen that video before.
There really are some absolute scumbags who associate themselves with the Villa. The first two interviewed looked and sounded like they needed help getting dressed in the morning.
I'll wager a lot of them only go to a game once in a blue moon, not to mention various non-Villa ne'er do wells who wandered down there to get their fizogs on the TV.
I loved the reaction when the second chump got asked if he had a season ticket. It's people like him that Winston Churchill was thinking about when he said the best argument against democracy was a conversation with the man on the street.
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The older chap who was interviewed after the first two brain donors seemed far too sensible to be caught up in all that nonsense.
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The older chap who was interviewed after the first two brain donors seemed far too sensible to be caught up in all that nonsense.
He did, but then he let himself down by saying McLeish wasn't wanted partly because of his Blues connection.
If Blues had Pep Guardiola as manager I'd love us to take him off their hands!
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The older chap who was interviewed after the first two brain donors seemed far too sensible to be caught up in all that nonsense.
He did, but then he let himself down by saying McLeish wasn't wanted partly because of his Blues connection.
If Blues had Pep Guardiola as manager I'd love us to take him off their hands!
That's the point most sensible fans made last year.
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We may laugh, but they were right.
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We may laugh, but they were right.
Right, but for the wrong reasons.
99% of normal fans were right for the right reasons.
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We may laugh, but they were right.
They were no more right than the rest of us, who were pretty certain it would end in tears but didn't act the idiot about it.
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I love it when she says "I will," to the not renewing season tickets comment right at the start.
She goes to pretty much every Villa game and somehow seems to know all the players
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Albrighton got a horrendous reaction against Reading when his attempted cross went miles into the Holte.
And he deserved it as well.
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Morons? Scumbags? These were Villa fans just because they had a different opinion and hadn't had some of your education does not make them less of a fan. The bigoted views are shocking.
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Morons? Scumbags? These were Villa fans just because they had a different opinion and hadn't had some of your education does not make them less of a fan. The bigoted views are shocking.
Come off it.
Do you really think they are your typical Villa supporters?
Most of them were eager to get on the TV and act the Goat.
How does climbing up a fucking fence adequately register your displeasure at an incoming Manager?
I still maintain that a lot of them were not proper supporters.
Anybody who refuses to carry on supporting the club because they don't like the Manager, surely can't be a proper supporter anyway.
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Well said Hoppo. A nose friend of mine was attempting to wind me up by saying they were not 'proper' fans because they were not behind the manager. I told him 'we're not shit because we don't accept shit. You are because you do'.
Although Fletch has got a point about some of them, I still reckon it's a small minority. We do have a history of militant supporters demonstrating and campaigning for what they see as the best interests of the club.
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I'm a bit torn on this.
Albrighton earns very good money to be a footballer and a winger in particular, yet in the past 18 months has delivered a handful of decent crosses. Under no pressure, when we desperately needed to create chances, to do that then the reaction he got was pretty tame. Look at what the reaction was to Warnock's own goal last season.
That said this bunch of inexperienced lads need as much positive support as they can get and in the main they are getting it from the Villa fans that are bothering to turn up.
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It's not bigoted to say that some of the people in that video would have to pass at least 12 detailed exams just to attain the rank of thick c.unt.
And most supporters, whilst in an understandable daze about his appointment, did get behind him.
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Although Fletch has got a point about some of them, I still reckon it's a small minority. We do have a history of militant supporters demonstrating and campaigning for what they see as the best interests of the club.
I agree Percy, but generally they've been organised, mainly civilised protests, that demonstration when McCatpiss got appointed looked like the Annual General meeting of the Rubery Glee Club.
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Morons? Scumbags? These were Villa fans just because they had a different opinion and hadn't had some of your education does not make them less of a fan.
Probably no less of a fan. I'm sure they thought they had the best interests of the club at heart.
Doesn't mean that they weren't acting likes dicks.
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Although Fletch has got a point about some of them, I still reckon it's a small minority. We do have a history of militant supporters demonstrating and campaigning for what they see as the best interests of the club.
I agree Percy, but generally they've been organised, mainly civilised protests, that demonstration when McCatpiss got appointed looked like the Annual General meeting of the Rubery Glee Club.
Yes, but that's what happens when good people do nothing
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One things for sure, the whole McLeish thing will be debated for many, many years to come because I don't think we'll ever find any rhyme or reason for why it ever happened.
As that lispy, orange haired slag sang in the 80's
'It's a mystery.'