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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: MonsXI on November 27, 2012, 11:17:04 PM
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Is anyone else slightly concerned about the fact that we seem to do everything through Benteke? Don't get me wrong I love the big man but I'm more than concerned that he is our plan A,B and C!
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I said exactly the same thing as we left the ground, did you hear me?
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I said exactly the same thing as we left the ground, did you hear me?
I was saying it at 50 minutes!
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I thought we played some decent stuff in the 1st half, but after half time reverted to hoofing the ball in the general direction of Benteke. The bloke sat behind me in the North Stand reacted to some of our moves early in the game where we kept possession well by shouting "too much passing" and then spent the whole of the 2nd half moaning about "too many long balls"!!
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we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
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we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
Nah, the first half and the previous games against Man Utd and Arse showed me that we're more than a MON team, we reverted to hoofing in the second half mainly due to nerves and frustration over the amount of misplaced passes when we tried to play through the middle I reckon.
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we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
No we are not. We are ar more enterprising however not everything we do is coming off at the moment. In time it will.
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Is anyone else slightly concerned about the fact that we seem to do everything through Benteke? Don't get me wrong I love the big man but I'm more than concerned that he is our plan A,B and C!
OK we had to adopt a straight forward approach to win the game however we are more than that and the team will prove so in the second half of the season.
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It does get a bit repetitive with Guzan hitting Benteke every kick! We play a nice passing game at times when we get the ball down but I wish we would mix it up a bit.
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It does look as if the main tactic now is to hit Benteke and for Weimann, Holman, Gabby to pick up the knock ons. It's not really the passing, possession based approach I expected and which Lambert seemed to be trying to introduce at first, but then maybe that's down to limited resources and practicalities. One does wonder what will happen if Benteke is crocked or suspended. I suspect the answer could be Bowery.
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Early days yet. Over a few windows, we can develop more weapons.
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we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
No we are not. We are ar more enterprising however not everything we do is coming off at the moment. In time it will.
like passing to each other, we are the 4th worst team for pass completion
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First half was nice and varied; second became predictable ... but it worked in the end!
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Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.
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Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.
Meaning what? He's really Welsh? He's a boozer? He flatters to deceive? He's tall?
Give us a clue!
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Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.
Comfortable on the ball, composed, left footed, good looking lad (if you like that sort of thing)... nope I'm struggling with this one.
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Bald?
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anagram ?
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observation. (of Collins)
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i think he has more potentual than collins
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Agree.
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He's more Nathan Barley than James Collins.
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we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
No we are not. We are ar more enterprising however not everything we do is coming off at the moment. In time it will.
I thought we tried to play good progressive football in the first half, and then reverted to pinging long balls from baker to benteke as the confidence waned. Given the previous performances I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt to the team on this one. But want to see a Sunderland type performance v QPR and then think we'll need to be more inventive v Stoke
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Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.
What??? Baker's a cracking young player and if we can hang on to him will be a stalwart Villa defender
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I think a problem right now is that we're trying to squeeze Wiemann and to a lesser extent Gabby into roles they're not suited to so the "out" ball to Benteke is too tempting.
I used to think that a DMC was the priority but over all I have been impressed by Westwood and Bannan, so now I'd prioritise a (very) decent winger, not in the traditional sense but someone who can play in Gabby or Weimann's role who is comfortable going past a player. There should be loads abroad but Nani, Young, Hoillet, Bale and Podolski are examples from the premiership. A player of this ilk would provide another attacking focal point.
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After a while it was just one punt up the field after another. However, I think it's a confidence thing. As the match wore on, players didn't go looking for the pass and making themselves available got fear of having the crowd on their back. It's frustrating because we've seen the players are more than capable of passing the ball.
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We need better wide options that Weimann and Gabby.
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We need a midfielder who can put his foot on the ball and stride past a couple of players. A skillful strong athletic type. Our current crop are too similar, stopping the ball and looking to pass rather than utilising space.
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We could have been two up at half time. We created plenty and didn't take our chances (as usual). We went direct due to nerves and urgency.
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We could have been two up at half time. We created plenty and didn't take our chances (as usual). We went direct due to nerves and urgency.
Now, now, that won't do at all. That's a measured and sensible response and we can't have any of that. Where's you're contrived hysteria? Where's the unreasonable negativity? Are you sure you're one of us?
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We need a midfielder who can put his foot on the ball and stride past a couple of players. A skillful strong athletic type. Our current crop are too similar, stopping the ball and looking to pass rather than utilising space.
Agree. I would say that Anderson from Man Utd is exactly the type of midfielder we need, but unfortunately I think he falls in to the 'unrealistic' category of transfer targets.
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Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.
Strong, physical CB who is poor on the ball and always looks like he has got a mistake in him? I personally think the comparison is a fair one at the moment.
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We struggled last night because on the whole we were one dimensional. We played better against Man Utd and Arsenal because we passed it on the deck. We must not hoof it, and Baker, Clark, Lichaj were terrible for it.
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I do agree with passing too much to Benteke, but we need betters players in wide forward positions and more width, and our players to spread the ball round bit more so Benteke can take players away from the goalmouth.
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I do agree with passing too much to Benteke, but we need betters players in wide forward positions and more width, and our players to spread the ball round bit more so Benteke can take players away from the goalmouth.
I agree salsa, gabby doesn't deliver enough and albrighton is not good enough by a mile.
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I do agree with passing too much to Benteke, but we need betters players in wide forward positions and more width, and our players to spread the ball round bit more so Benteke can take players away from the goalmouth.
I agree salsa, gabby doesn't deliver enough and albrighton is not good enough by a mile.
When Albrighton blasted a cross way over the bar last night, I lost it for the first time this season. "******", "twat", "useless" and "Championship at best" were just some of the words that left my mouth. I'm in no way proud of it, but at that point I was getting really pissed off with how shit we were playing and just lumping it forward to Benteke and hoping he'd pull something out the bag (which he did in the end).
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Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.
Strong, physical CB who is poor on the ball and always looks like he has got a mistake in him? I personally think the comparison is a fair one at the moment.
I thought Baker was outstanding last night: his ball-winning, covering for Clark and general composure were excellent.
His passing was a little hit and miss but he has the potential to be a very accomplished CB.
Whcih is not a word I'd ever use for James Collins.
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Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.
Strong, physical CB who is poor on the ball and always looks like he has got a mistake in him? I personally think the comparison is a fair one at the moment.
I thought Baker was outstanding last night: his ball-winning, covering for Clark and general composure were excellent.
His passing was a little hit and miss but he has the potential to be a very accomplished CB.
Whcih is not a word I'd ever use for James Collins.
I thought he struggled for the first twenty minutes but did very well to pull it round.
I like him.
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we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
I disagree with this. We pass it better than we ever did with MON. With MON if we couldn't get it wide and cross it then we was fucked. We hardly play with any width these days.
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I'd agree that one problem we have is that we don't really have the players in the wider roles just behind the main striker. You do need someone who can beat a man and attack the box from there, and neither Gabby, Holman, Weimann or Albrighton seem to have that ability. N'zogbia should be ideal for that role but more often than not he either disappears, runs up blind alleys or provides an awful final ball. Might be worth giving Carruthers a go there?
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we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
I disagree with this. We pass it better than we ever did with MON. With MON if we couldn't get it wide and cross it then we was fucked. We hardly play with any width these days.
Reading set their team out for a draw which didn't give us much room hence the frustration second half and the resultant hoof ball. Once we scored they had to come at us and the game opened up.
QPR will come at us this weekend to force the issue. This should create more space and allow us to play the game the way we can.
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I think we hardly ever play with wide men is because Albrighton is so lacking in confidence and N'Zogbia is injured/shit
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It felt like we were in the championship already last night, I'm glad we got the win but at times it was desperate
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QPR will come at us this weekend to force the issue. This should create more space and allow us to play the game the way we can.
Comments on the radio last night re QPR was that their midfield is very powerful and was dynamic aginast Slumberland. Just the sort of MF against which I'd expect us to struggle.
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I thought the defence last night was missing Vlaar's organisational skills - not surprising really given the average age of the starting defenders was 22.
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I think Ireland helped coming off the bench last night and Baker did seem to hoof the ball too much.