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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: MonsXI on November 27, 2012, 11:17:04 PM

Title: One Dimensional
Post by: MonsXI on November 27, 2012, 11:17:04 PM
Is anyone else slightly concerned about the fact that we seem to do everything through Benteke? Don't get me wrong I love the big man but I'm more than concerned that he is our plan A,B and C!
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: andyh on November 27, 2012, 11:18:12 PM
I said exactly the same thing as we left the ground, did you hear me?
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: MonsXI on November 27, 2012, 11:19:50 PM
I said exactly the same thing as we left the ground, did you hear me?


I was saying it at 50 minutes!
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: tomd2103 on November 27, 2012, 11:31:36 PM
I thought we played some decent stuff in the 1st half, but after half time reverted to hoofing the ball in the general direction of Benteke.  The bloke sat behind me in the North Stand reacted to some of our moves early in the game where we kept possession well by shouting "too much passing" and then spent the whole of the 2nd half moaning about "too many long balls"!!
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: hawkeye on November 27, 2012, 11:33:28 PM
we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Dave Cooper please on November 27, 2012, 11:37:12 PM
we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team

Nah, the first half and the previous games against Man Utd and Arse showed me that we're more than a MON team, we reverted to hoofing in the second half mainly due to nerves and frustration over the amount of misplaced passes when we tried to play through the middle I reckon.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: olaftab on November 27, 2012, 11:44:47 PM
we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
No we are not. We are ar more enterprising however not everything we do is coming off at the moment. In time it will.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: olaftab on November 27, 2012, 11:48:00 PM
Is anyone else slightly concerned about the fact that we seem to do everything through Benteke? Don't get me wrong I love the big man but I'm more than concerned that he is our plan A,B and C!
OK we had to adopt a straight forward approach to win the game however we are more than that and the team will prove so in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: mrfuse on November 27, 2012, 11:57:35 PM
It does get a bit repetitive with Guzan hitting Benteke every kick! We play a nice passing game at times when we get the ball down but I wish we would mix it up a bit.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: ktvillan on November 27, 2012, 11:59:23 PM
It does look as if the main tactic now is to hit Benteke and for Weimann, Holman, Gabby to pick up the knock ons.  It's not really the passing, possession based approach I expected and which Lambert seemed to be trying to introduce at first, but then maybe that's down to limited resources and practicalities.  One does wonder what will happen if Benteke is crocked or suspended.  I suspect the answer could be Bowery.   
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2012, 11:59:50 PM
Early days yet. Over a few windows, we can develop more weapons.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: hawkeye on November 28, 2012, 12:03:53 AM
we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
No we are not. We are ar more enterprising however not everything we do is coming off at the moment. In time it will.
like passing to each other, we are the 4th worst team for pass completion
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Mister E on November 28, 2012, 12:11:50 AM
First half was nice and varied; second became predictable ... but it worked in the end!
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: astonvillan on November 28, 2012, 12:12:59 AM
Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Mister E on November 28, 2012, 12:22:18 AM
Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.
Meaning what? He's really Welsh? He's a boozer? He flatters to deceive? He's tall?

Give us a clue!
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Mazrim on November 28, 2012, 12:43:16 AM
Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.

Comfortable on the ball, composed, left footed, good looking lad (if you like that sort of thing)... nope I'm struggling with this one.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Louzie0 on November 28, 2012, 12:50:01 AM
Bald?
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 28, 2012, 12:54:38 AM
anagram ?
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Louzie0 on November 28, 2012, 12:56:34 AM
observation. (of Collins)
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 28, 2012, 12:58:44 AM
i think he has more potentual than collins
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Louzie0 on November 28, 2012, 01:02:14 AM
Agree. 
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: eamonn on November 28, 2012, 03:32:20 AM
He's more Nathan Barley than James Collins.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Matt Collins on November 28, 2012, 07:03:02 AM
we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
No we are not. We are ar more enterprising however not everything we do is coming off at the moment. In time it will.

I thought we tried to play good progressive football in the first half, and then reverted to pinging long balls from baker to benteke as the confidence waned. Given the previous performances I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt to the team on this one. But want to see a Sunderland type performance v QPR and then think we'll need to be more inventive v Stoke
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: willywombat on November 28, 2012, 07:10:50 AM
Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.

What??? Baker's a cracking young player and if we can hang on to him will be a stalwart Villa defender
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 28, 2012, 07:19:51 AM
I think a problem right now is that we're trying to squeeze Wiemann and to a lesser extent Gabby into roles they're not suited to so the "out" ball to Benteke is too tempting. 

I used to think that a DMC was the priority but over all I have been impressed by Westwood and Bannan, so now I'd prioritise a (very) decent winger, not in the traditional sense but someone who can play in Gabby or Weimann's role who is comfortable going past a player.  There should be loads abroad but Nani, Young, Hoillet, Bale and Podolski are examples from the premiership.  A player of this ilk would provide another attacking focal point.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on November 28, 2012, 07:25:29 AM
After a while it was just one punt up the field after another. However, I think it's a confidence thing. As the match wore on, players didn't go looking for the pass and making themselves available got fear of having the crowd on their back. It's frustrating because we've seen the players are more than capable of passing the ball.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 28, 2012, 07:56:26 AM
We need better wide options that Weimann and Gabby.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: frank black on November 28, 2012, 08:15:43 AM
We need a midfielder who can put his foot on the ball and stride past a couple of players. A skillful strong athletic type. Our current crop are too similar, stopping the ball and looking to pass rather than utilising space.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Summers on November 28, 2012, 08:27:06 AM
We could have been two up at half time. We created plenty and didn't take our chances (as usual). We went direct due to nerves and urgency.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: mal on November 28, 2012, 08:44:53 AM
We could have been two up at half time. We created plenty and didn't take our chances (as usual). We went direct due to nerves and urgency.
Now, now, that won't do at all. That's a measured and sensible response and we can't have any of that. Where's you're contrived hysteria? Where's the unreasonable negativity? Are you sure you're one of us?
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2012, 08:50:26 AM
We need a midfielder who can put his foot on the ball and stride past a couple of players. A skillful strong athletic type. Our current crop are too similar, stopping the ball and looking to pass rather than utilising space.

Agree.  I would say that Anderson from Man Utd is exactly the type of midfielder we need, but unfortunately I think he  falls in to the 'unrealistic' category of transfer targets.   
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2012, 08:52:45 AM
Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.

Strong, physical CB who is poor on the ball and always looks like he has got a mistake in him?  I personally think the comparison is a fair one at the moment.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2012, 08:54:47 AM
We struggled last night because on the whole we were one dimensional. We played better against Man Utd and Arsenal because we passed it on the deck. We must not hoof it, and Baker, Clark, Lichaj were terrible for it.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 28, 2012, 08:55:39 AM
I do agree with passing too much to Benteke, but we need betters players in wide forward positions and more width, and our players to spread the ball round bit more so Benteke can take players away from the goalmouth.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: eastie on November 28, 2012, 08:57:07 AM
I do agree with passing too much to Benteke, but we need betters players in wide forward positions and more width, and our players to spread the ball round bit more so Benteke can take players away from the goalmouth.


I agree salsa, gabby doesn't deliver enough and albrighton is not good enough by a mile.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on November 28, 2012, 09:17:00 AM
I do agree with passing too much to Benteke, but we need betters players in wide forward positions and more width, and our players to spread the ball round bit more so Benteke can take players away from the goalmouth.


I agree salsa, gabby doesn't deliver enough and albrighton is not good enough by a mile.

When Albrighton blasted a cross way over the bar last night, I lost it for the first time this season. "******", "twat", "useless" and "Championship at best" were just some of the words that left my mouth. I'm in no way proud of it, but at that point I was getting really pissed off with how shit we were playing and just lumping it forward to Benteke and hoping he'd pull something out the bag (which he did in the end).
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Mister E on November 28, 2012, 09:27:25 AM
Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.

Strong, physical CB who is poor on the ball and always looks like he has got a mistake in him?  I personally think the comparison is a fair one at the moment.
I thought Baker was outstanding last night: his ball-winning, covering for Clark and general composure were excellent.
His passing was a little hit and miss but he has the potential to be a very accomplished CB.

Whcih is not a word I'd ever use for James Collins.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2012, 09:37:13 AM
Nathan Baker is James Collins mkIII.

Strong, physical CB who is poor on the ball and always looks like he has got a mistake in him?  I personally think the comparison is a fair one at the moment.
I thought Baker was outstanding last night: his ball-winning, covering for Clark and general composure were excellent.
His passing was a little hit and miss but he has the potential to be a very accomplished CB.

Whcih is not a word I'd ever use for James Collins.

I thought he struggled for the first twenty minutes but did very well to pull it round.

I like him.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 28, 2012, 09:41:03 AM
we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
I disagree with this. We pass it better than we ever did with MON. With MON if we couldn't get it wide and cross it then we was fucked. We hardly play with any width these days.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: ktvillan on November 28, 2012, 09:42:22 AM
I'd agree that one problem we have is that we don't really have the players in the wider roles just behind the main striker.  You do need someone who can beat a man and attack the box from there, and neither Gabby, Holman, Weimann or Albrighton seem to have that ability.  N'zogbia should be ideal for that role but more often than not he either disappears, runs up blind alleys or provides an awful final ball.  Might be worth giving Carruthers a go there?   
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 28, 2012, 10:29:36 AM
we are a very pooor side, we have reverted to type, its like watching a MON team
I disagree with this. We pass it better than we ever did with MON. With MON if we couldn't get it wide and cross it then we was fucked. We hardly play with any width these days.

Reading set their team out for a draw which didn't give us much room hence the frustration second half and the resultant hoof ball.  Once we scored they had to come at us and the game opened up. 

QPR will come at us this weekend to force the issue.  This should create more space and allow us to play the game the way we can.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 28, 2012, 10:36:11 AM
I think we hardly ever play with wide men is because Albrighton is so lacking in confidence and N'Zogbia is injured/shit
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 28, 2012, 10:37:43 AM
It felt like we were in the championship already last night, I'm glad we got the win but at times it was desperate
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Mister E on November 28, 2012, 10:45:07 AM

QPR will come at us this weekend to force the issue.  This should create more space and allow us to play the game the way we can.
Comments on the radio last night re QPR was that their midfield is very powerful and was dynamic aginast Slumberland. Just the sort of MF against which I'd expect us to struggle.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 28, 2012, 01:03:31 PM
I thought the defence last night was missing Vlaar's organisational skills - not surprising really given the average age of the starting defenders was 22.
Title: Re: One Dimensional
Post by: The Left Side on November 28, 2012, 03:09:13 PM
I think Ireland helped coming off the bench last night and Baker did seem to hoof the ball too much.
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