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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Trinitymiddle on November 06, 2012, 10:07:34 AM
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I used to travel away a lot more than I do these days, so I was hoping to be enlightened by setting up this topic for discussion.
I was always quite proud of our away support, usually turning up in numbers and singing loudly throughout the game. But in the past week I read a lot of negative comments about us on the Sunderland fansite, and then the extract (below) from a letter from a Fulham fan on Football365 yesterday, and I'm wondering if others fell the same way?
"Brilliant support from Everton fans, really into the game and were in very good spirits. A very classy club from manager to players and fans. Complete contrast to the Villa fans, who were essentially just nasty. (special mention to city fans - the only fans I have seen this year on tv or live with original chants)."
I was at Fulham and didn't notice anything "nasty". Yeah there's always a few dickheads in every group of supporters, and the experience you have often depends on the people in your immediate vicinty, and some of the songs are a bit tired (especially the "No respect", as discussed elsewhere). So is all this recent negativity towards our away support justified or not?
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I go away a lot and it's unfair to say our fans are Nasty. I'm not sure whoever wrote that used the right words. I sense a bit of frustration amongst us, although the away support have not had much to cheer about since we had that good spell of away form from under MON.
You're always going to get twats away from home who can't take their drink, but overall i think the lads (and lasses) who follow us are absolutley superb.
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I think the no respect, shit support , empty seats ,etc crap in the mlord song only makes our fans look silly and probably gives others that impression too.
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I was home and away until i came here,two and a half years ago, and find the "Nasty" comment way of the mark. As posted earlier, always going to be some dickheads but i used to be very proud to follow Villa away because we had nothing but fun.
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I think the no respect, shit support , empty seats ,etc crap in the mlord song only makes our fans look silly and probably gives others that impression too.
This. I hate to say this but the whole empty seats/no respect/it's your round m'lord thing makes me ashamed to be a Villa supporter when travelling awayand that's saying something. If that upsets folk, I'm sorry but that's how I feel. It's small time, poxy and cringeworthy.
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All about opinions, really.
Everton, in my experience, have the least inspiring away support in the league. They usually turn up, but then sit down for 90 mins, only breaking into "Everton, Everton, Everton" or that "if you know your history" bollocks every 15 mins or so.
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Our away support is generally fantastic.
A bit rich, having our away support criticised by a Fulham fan.
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"Brilliant support from Everton fans, really into the game and were in very good spirits. A very classy club from manager to players and fans. Complete contrast to the Villa fans, who were essentially just nasty. (special mention to city fans - the only fans I have seen this year on tv or live with original chants)."
I was at Fulham and didn't notice anything "nasty". Yeah there's always a few dickheads in every group of supporters, and the experience you have often depends on the people in your immediate vicinty, and some of the songs are a bit tired (especially the "No respect", as discussed elsewhere). So is all this recent negativity towards our away support justified or not?
i know fulham season ticket holders and they were a bit miffed that the home support joined in the applause for petrov, only to be greeted by hostility.
the acoustics are awful at fulham, all the sound just leaks out of the stadium. the home support can''t hear the away support, and the away support can't hear the rare forays from the home support.
on the whole, the fans were better behaved than on previous occasions at fulham, where some of our 'fans' have been an embarrassment to the club.
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I also go to away games and I must say I don't think we are a nasty bunch of supporters we just enjoy ourselves thats all we do.
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I also go to away games and I must say I don't think we are a nasty bunch of supporters we just enjoy ourselves thats all we do.
And we all know what your idea of enjoying yourself is. Bloody animal, that's what you are.
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I wouldn't ever say we are a nasty bunch. Drunken pisstaking jovial windup merchants yes, but never nasty.
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I used to travel away a lot more than I do these days, so I was hoping to be enlightened by setting up this topic for discussion.
I was always quite proud of our away support, usually turning up in numbers and singing loudly throughout the game. But in the past week I read a lot of negative comments about us on the Sunderland fansite, and then the extract (below) from a letter from a Fulham fan on Football365 yesterday, and I'm wondering if others fell the same way?
"Brilliant support from Everton fans, really into the game and were in very good spirits. A very classy club from manager to players and fans. Complete contrast to the Villa fans, who were essentially just nasty. (special mention to city fans - the only fans I have seen this year on tv or live with original chants)."
I was at Fulham and didn't notice anything "nasty". Yeah there's always a few dickheads in every group of supporters, and the experience you have often depends on the people in your immediate vicinty, and some of the songs are a bit tired (especially the "No respect", as discussed elsewhere). So is all this recent negativity towards our away support justified or not?
I read comments from Fulham fans after the match saying the Villa fans were brilliant.
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I took a few Everton fans to the Bolton game last year (where we won 1-2) and they said whilst we were very, very funny they'd never met a more pessimistic bunch of supporters in their lives. To be fair, we were singing "how shit must you be, we're winning away" and, when 2-0 up, "2-2, we're gonna draw 2-2".
Tis all jolly japes, following Villa away.
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Our support at Fulham will have shat on pretty much everybody elses. There was 20 minutes continuing singing for one.
For once, the "shite support" song was apt against Fulham. It took Sunderland 83 minutes to hit the target against us on Saturday.. It took those yogurt knitters longer to sing a song.
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I've moaned about the no respect bollocks for ages, I now find myself going to the toilet on 19 minutes to avoid the temptation of having a go at our supporters for singing it. I saw a thread on a Fulham site that mentioned a group of Villa fans got into a Fulham fans only pub before the doorman started and were very "in the faces" of the Fulham fans, I think that was what the other thread was on about.
On a positive note Southampton fans were stating on one of their sites that we were the loudest they'd heard down there for years.
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I must admit to cringing a little, at some of the songs we sing. As has been mentioned earlier, "shit support", "empty seats" was particularly embarrassing at Sunderland last week. If rolls were reversed, we'd not have nearly as many as 41k at VP, against Sunderland at the moment, and you can bet they would have sold the full away section out. I often find myself singing an extra verse of "irony, my lord" in my head.
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I also go to away games and I must say I don't think we are a nasty bunch of supporters we just enjoy ourselves thats all we do.
And we all know what your idea of enjoying yourself is. Bloody animal, that's what you are.
Ah, so Darren's the one.
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I also go to away games and I must say I don't think we are a nasty bunch of supporters we just enjoy ourselves thats all we do.
I disagree, I think that we definitely have a "nasty" element.
Over the past five seasons or so I've probably been to around half Villa's away game. Unfortunately we do have a significant (in terms of being visible and audible) quota of arseholes who seem more intent of winding up the opposition fans and/or partaking in inappropriate gestures/chants.
Recently at Fulham there were two guys in front of me whose aim seemed to be to wind the stewards up at every opportunity.
The worst behaviour as far as I'm concerned was at WBA last year where a group of blokes started singing "Let him die" as the medics were treating a WBA fan who'd apparently had a heart attack. They then got aggressive towards the Villa fans who tried to shut them up.
I'd be all in favour of having no alcohol on sale in away ends and having breath tests for all fans entering.
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It's a shame if a few idiots spoil what has been pretty well complete admiration of our away fans by just about all other teams. The 'empty seats' chant is pretty moronic, but mostly harmless and a more modern version of "my garden shed..." Tthe "no respect" rubbish is utterly shameful though, and a far bigger show of disrespect to Stan than away supporters not realising the significance of the 19th minute thing and not joining in. The irony of which is probably lost on the brain dead idiots who sing it.
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I can't agree that we've got no original chants. Who else sings the 'No respect' bollocks and 'Holte Enders In The Sky'?
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having breath tests for all fans entering
What? so you wouldn't let people into a ground with bad breath now? you'll be banning peole from arriving at the ground drunk next.
And you can't get a drink in the away end of quite a few grounds.
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By far the cringiest thing I hear our fans sing is that tiresome "you'll never work again" bollocks to Liverpool sides.
Utterly embarassing.
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I go to around half of our away games (if on TV i dont bother) there are four of us me and my mate and our 2 sons - not kids late 20's - but whereever we go we make it a priority to ensure that we keep away from pubs housing the Villa away support due in a large part to the drunken, moronic behaviour shown towards our hosts and small heath and on occasion each other. We four like nothing more than to find a home pub and mix with the locals have a bit of playful banter....yeah we take the mick out of each other but we essentially have a good time and get invited back the following season. We have never had any hassle with any 'home fans' and i mean ever - i believe that they respect the fact that we actively seek out home pubs to talk football!!!!
It would be great if some of the younger element show similar respect to the opposition....it is all to often that a number of our supporters go to games just to get smashed.....they cant possibly rememember how 'good a day' they had judging by the state they are in.
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I wouldn't ever say we are a nasty bunch. Drunken pisstaking jovial windup merchants yes, but never nasty.
I saw a few nasty scenes outside St Mary's after the game but it was primarily pissed up chavs trying to take on Hampshire Police
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We're going to see how good our away support is the next few games. Norwich will sell out or get very close.QPR will sell out. Chelsea wont unless we have an influx of lottery winners in Birmingham soon. Man City will be better than we think in terms of numbers as will Liverpool. So the numbers will hold up at least.
I hope the Stan applause doesn't stop in this way. When he returns it will be one our clubs finest hours.
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In fairness, to balance things up, here are some comments (Twitter) from opposing fans/neutrals at Craven Cottage the other week:
"Villa fans in full voice. 0-0. Story so far has been Fulham crowd's silence"
"After bright start, first half at Cottage became 3rd gear stuff at best. Villa fans in fine fettle, their team less impressive"
"Villa fans loudest at Craven Cottage this season..........until we scored that is!!"
"I've often been critical of the Villa fans especially at home, but they were superb today at #ffc #avfc"
"Did anyone see any sober Villa fans yesterday? Local pubs must enjoy their visit. Decent numbers and noise #FFC #avfc"
I also think that Bren'd made a very good point on the 'No Respect' thread, in relation to Sunderland fans; "I imagine if they had beaten us we'd have been seen as great fans." It's so very easy to praise a set of fans when they've turned up in OK numbers, sang a few positive songs about their team with no disparaging chants about the opposition, their players have rolled over, and they've left the ground without a murmur to return home. Sunderland, for me, was our best away atmosphere of the season. For 90 minutes we not just outsang their home support (which most away fans do at any ground) but we embarrassed them. We must have looked like a European outfit at times, bouncing along to "Paul Lambert's Claret & Blue Army" & "Ohhhhhhhhhh Christian Benteke" and borne out of that, coupled with being outplayed on the pitch, is frustration and jealousy from some. Paul Lambert certainly heard us, as did Mat Kendrick. The latter of whom had to apologise for once again waxing lyrical about our support. How many times has he given our away fans 'Man of the Match' over the past couple of seasons?!
Indeed, one joker on their RTG forum claimed that West Bromwich Albion take more fans away and make more noise. This is the team whose fans sit down at their away matches, don't sing, and very rarely take more than 1700 fans anywhere. But they're so unoffensive (read: boring) it's untrue. Hence why it's easy to praise them. In actual fact, they took 899 fans to Sunderland last season for a Saturday 3 o'clock kick off, whilst we took close to 2500 under Alex McLeish. So again, the claims that we "never take more than 2000 there" are false and, to coin a popular phrase this week, are a re-writing of history. Indeed, talk to a Sunderland fan and they'll gleefully mention the sub-1000 Villa took there in December '09, on a cold Tuesday night a week before Christmas (when crowds are traditionally lower) and sandwiched between an away match at Old Trafford (3000 Villa fans there) and Stoke at home the next weekend. However ask them about the 500 they brought to Villa in January 2011, or the 743 they took to Everton last season on a Saturday at 3pm and they'll glare at you all confused. Yes, our away following in terms of numbers should be better given the size of the club, the number of fans and our central location but, going off Saturday's 1500(??) following and the turnout in Dec '09 alone is very harsh. It's also important to remember that so far this season we've played 6 away games in 6 weeks, 7 in 9 weeks, or 8 in 11 weeks. That was always going to have an impact on the number of fans that went up to Sunderland. They certainly seem to have adopted that horrific Geordie "best fans in the world" mentality. Our support is far superior to theirs, vocally and numerically.
I'd absolutely agree though that the No Respect chant needs to stop, along with Shit Support and Empty Seats. I personally didn't hear Empty Seats being sung up at Sunderland but I heard it at Newcastle. 987 of us in a potential 2940 allocation. Embarrassing. Then again, we earned plaudits for our "Geordie Shore.....is effing shit" song and "The Premier League....is upside down, The Premier League....is upside down" and were far better vocally than we were at say, West Ham or Southampton with 2900 and 3100 of us, respectively.
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Wigan away last game of the season, hope there's nothing riding on that one.
Also re fulham, yes it was boozy but I saw no trouble. Oh and The 8 Bells "beer garden" out back has to be the smallest in the UK.
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By far the cringiest thing I hear our fans sing is that tiresome "you'll never work again" bollocks to Liverpool sides.
Utterly embarassing.
Yeah this one always grates. The West Mids has been as decimated by unemployment as anywhere. Unoriginal song as well to be honest. Must be pinched from Man U at a guess.
My mate who was at the Arsenal game in the FA Cup last season said our support were great too. Anyone who thinks we're a nasty club has obviously never seen the likes of Cardiff's away support (they actually booed during a minute of silence for a fan who died in a train crash at Reading when I went a while back.)
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I go to around half of our away games (if on TV i dont bother) there are four of us me and my mate and our 2 sons - not kids late 20's - but whereever we go we make it a priority to ensure that we keep away from pubs housing the Villa away support due in a large part to the drunken, moronic behaviour shown towards our hosts and small heath and on occasion each other. We four like nothing more than to find a home pub and mix with the locals have a bit of playful banter....yeah we take the mick out of each other but we essentially have a good time and get invited back the following season. We have never had any hassle with any 'home fans' and i mean ever - i believe that they respect the fact that we actively seek out home pubs to talk football!!!!
It would be great if some of the younger element show similar respect to the opposition....it is all to often that a number of our supporters go to games just to get smashed.....they cant possibly rememember how 'good a day' they had judging by the state they are in.
I've done what you do a few times and I think its a good way to do things. Sometimes, you don't want to put up with people watching the Villa away, as an excuse for a drunken day trip to another part of the country.
Also, you can banter and learn about oppositions support and culture especially if you have the decency not too take the piss.
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astonvillan: what a great post.
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I play five a side with 2 Fulham ST holders, who happily admitted that we are the best away fans in terms of noise most seasons. One did comment "you all like a drink" so I can imagine in 3000 away fans of whom most have had more than their fair share of booze there would be a couple of silly incidents. Another mate who is a Saints ST holder thought we were as loud as anyone at St Marys.
I went to Fulham - Everton Saturday after a spare ST came up, and frankly I thought Everton were superb, and should have won 4 or 5 nil. Everton's support was also good, but not as noisy as I would have expected considering it was a sell out and they were a joy to watch and had 80% of the play. Baines, and Coleman were excellent at left and right back bombing on whilst everything went through Fellaini. How Fulham got a point I have still not worked out.
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It's probably just me, but to me the worst away fans I've seen at Villa Park are the Albion. That "veeeeee-lla" thing they do really does grate on me. It just seems the most small-time, immature thing they could do.
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I read this on a Swindon forum recently:
"Watching those cunty Villa fans at the end celebrating like they'd won the lottery, world cup and Ashes all in one summed up how fucking bad their season is gonna be."
The responses were quite complimentary though:
"Very much to their credit, proper fans of a proper club...something I can't stand is fans of Champion's League regulars, who can barely raise a round of applause, when they score a goal against some inferior opposition, because they expect it."
"For the record, I actually thought the villa fans were damn loud when they got themselves together...some of the loudest I have ever heard at the CG..."
"I've got nothing against their lot at all. The Villa fans I met on the way to the game were genuine enough. They're not the force they once were, and the fans know it. They seem pretty grounded to me."
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We've got a great away support, yes we have a few idiots everyone does!
No original songs is nonsense, the lets pretend we scored a goal was hilarious at Anfield for example.
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It's probably just me, but to me the worst away fans I've seen at Villa Park are the Albion. That "veeeeee-lla" thing they do really does grate on me. It just seems the most small-time, immature thing they could do.
Have to admit, I think it's quite funny, and you're right, it does grate, but that's kind of the point innit.
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We've got a great away support, yes we have a few idiots everyone does!
No original songs is nonsense, the lets pretend we scored a goal was hilarious at Anfield for example.
Didn't Derby do that the season they were shit? I'm sure I remember it mentioned when we tonked them 6-0.
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We've got a great away support, yes we have a few idiots everyone does!
No original songs is nonsense, the lets pretend we scored a goal was hilarious at Anfield for example.
Didn't Derby do that the season they were shit? I'm sure I remember it mentioned when we tonked them 6-0.
Ok maybe not so original :-[
Freethinker's post is a perfect example of how different people see different things at games.
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You will never get an objective view from one set of fans about another, we've all got our prejudices about particular clubs and everything is filtered through that prisms.
So what do you expect from a bunch of arriviste cads and bounders?
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I've been to three away games this season and as ever it is a broad church as regards our followers. I personally love that and as a bit of a secret people watcher, I am fascinated by different reactions. At Swindon, for example, I stood next to a lovely older couple who looked real old school Villa and barely showed any emotion the whole game even when we scored right at the death. In front of me, I had the obligatory big skinhead who was starting all the singing and a fine job he made of it too. Somewhere in my vicinity, we also had the obligatory phantom farter. To my right was a lovely young woman with whom I hugged when we scored our winner and a super steward to whom, by the way, every Villa fan around me said goodbye and thank you to at the end of the game. And just to my left, was the also obligatory 'gesticulator at the opposing fans' young male who spent the whole match giving the finger and pointing seemingly to some specific fan in the Swindon section. And it has been pretty much the same in about 40 years of following Villa away, the biggest difference being that you used to be treated as scum by the police in the old days and that doesn't tend to happen too much now. As for the songs, I think you could probably cringe at almost all of them if you over analyse them too much. For the most part, our away support is fantastic and I felt very proud to be a Villa fan at Southampton, Fulham and Swindon. But then, I always have been and always will....
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Some nice comments from Swindon there.
One of my highlights this season was meeting Nigel Kennedy at St Mary's, where ? In the Directors Box ? no, in the away end with us lot. Fabulous to see him and his Mrs mingling with us.
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fantastic post Mr Moore.. agree with every word.
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Me too.
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We might see a nasty Villa following at the Hawthorns in January. A 5:30 kick off it seems...
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Well us black country types are guaranteed NOT to play nicely...
Stripy, fucking....
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I took a few Everton fans to the Bolton game last year (where we won 1-2) and they said whilst we were very, very funny they'd never met a more pessimistic bunch of supporters in their lives. To be fair, we were singing "how shit must you be, we're winning away" and, when 2-0 up, "2-2, we're gonna draw 2-2".
Tis all jolly japes, following Villa away.
And at the same game I watched some Villa fans kicking the shite out of each other (well, when I say kicking, it was more fisticuffs ... but with intent) in the seats behind the goal; all rather weird and discouraging.
But having said that, I love away games; they give a great sense of pride and belonging about the club that home games don't.
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I've been to three away games this season and as ever it is a broad church as regards our followers. I personally love that and as a bit of a secret people watcher, I am fascinated by different reactions. At Swindon, for example, I stood next to a lovely older couple who looked real old school Villa and barely showed any emotion the whole game even when we scored right at the death. In front of me, I had the obligatory big skinhead who was starting all the singing and a fine job he made of it too. Somewhere in my vicinity, we also had the obligatory phantom farter. To my right was a lovely young woman with whom I hugged when we scored our winner and a super steward to whom, by the way, every Villa fan around me said goodbye and thank you to at the end of the game. And just to my left, was the also obligatory 'gesticulator at the opposing fans' young male who spent the whole match giving the finger and pointing seemingly to some specific fan in the Swindon section. And it has been pretty much the same in about 40 years of following Villa away, the biggest difference being that you used to be treated as scum by the police in the old days and that doesn't tend to happen too much now. As for the songs, I think you could probably cringe at almost all of them if you over analyse them too much. For the most part, our away support is fantastic and I felt very proud to be a Villa fan at Southampton, Fulham and Swindon. But then, I always have been and always will....
Well said, Richard. Excellent summation.
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Thank you Pauline, hope all is well with you and Jon!
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Some nice comments from Swindon there.
One of my highlights this season was meeting Nigel Kennedy at St Mary's, where ? In the Directors Box ? no, in the away end with us lot. Fabulous to see him and his Mrs mingling with us.
He sits in the Trinity Block B ....attends most home games and seems to be a real Villa fanatic......his Mrs is well fit as well.
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Some nice comments from Swindon there.
One of my highlights this season was meeting Nigel Kennedy at St Mary's, where ? In the Directors Box ? no, in the away end with us lot. Fabulous to see him and his Mrs mingling with us.
He sits in the Trinity Block B ....attends most home games and seems to be a real Villa fanatic......his Mrs is well fit as well.
He's a big fan. Was at St Mary's in the home strip with Agbonlahor 11 on the back :-)
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Nigel Kennedy was in the Bartons after the last game of the 10/11 season when we beat Liverpool. Small Heath's relegation was also confirmed that day and cdvillafan of this parish had him playing the world's smallest violin just for them. It was a good day.
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Nigel Kennedy was in the pub before the Fulham game the other week - can't remember the name of the pub.
Spizz was there as well, sitting in the beer garden.
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Spizz was there as well, sitting in the beer garden.
Partaking of an "energi" drink ?
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Nigel Kennedy was in the pub before the Fulham game the other week - can't remember the name of the pub.
Spizz was there as well, sitting in the beer garden.
The Crabtree. Good pub.
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Nigel Kennedy was in the pub before the Fulham game the other week - can't remember the name of the pub.
Spizz was there as well, sitting in the beer garden.
The Crabtree. Good pub.
After speaking with him outside the Crabtree I've sent a request for him to join the Kingston Lions, his PA seemed enthusiastic.
He'll be replacing Chico Hamilton who, if I'm honest, brings nothing to the table.
I've also sent requests to David Cameron, Prince William and Mervyn King, strangely enough I've not heard anything back from them, must be busy.
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I've also sent requests to David Cameron, Prince William and Mervyn King, strangely enough I've not heard anything back from them, must be busy.
One of those three is a genuine, match-going supporter.
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Very interesting thread and excellent post from Mr Moore, thank you. Is Spizz a Villa fan then?
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Nigel Kennedy was in the pub before the Fulham game the other week - can't remember the name of the pub.
Spizz was there as well, sitting in the beer garden.
Slight digression but Spizz, in various guises, played a major part in my gig attending days in the late 70's/early 80's. First saw as Spizz Oil supporting Siouxsie & The Banshees at the Mayfair Suite in Oct 1978; The Human League were below them on the bill!! Next saw as Spizzenergi supporting Bette Bright & The Illuminations at Barbarella's in Feb 1979. Then, again as Spizzenergi, in Sep 1979 at 'Futurama 1979 - The World's First Science Fiction Music Festival', Queen's Hall, Leeds in Sep 1979. Joy Division were on the bill, and PIL headlined. I even missed a Man United home game (only one since 1966) to go to that. Later that month, as Spizzenergi, saw them support Siouxsie & The Banshees and The Cure at Odeon. Saw for the last time as Athletico Spizz 80 supporting The Clash and Mikey Dread at the Top Rank in Feb 1980.
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Is Spizz a Villa fan then?
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BC54 VFC: you've only missed one Man Utd home game since 1966?
What are you doing on here you plastic, glory-hunting twat?
*wink*
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Thanks for the Spizz link - I didn't realized. Saw them a few times, once with the Clash at the Top rank I thought - with Suicide and The Coventry specials.
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Spizz was a regular at The Captains Locker in Solihull during the mid to late 70s and IIRC was a very good artist in the pop art style. Although he will always be linked to his most famous song 'Where's Captain Kirk? His tribute ' The Sun Never Sets on Aston Villa' is well worth a listen. Better folk than I on here will remember Spizzenergi and the marvellous but tragic Swell Maps as Solihulls contribution to the punk scene.
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BC54 VFC: you've only missed one Man Utd home game since 1966?
What are you doing on here you plastic, glory-hunting twat?
*wink*
Ha ha, it does read a bit like that doesn't it!
That's the second time you've commented on a member of my family's post on this thread, but you were rather more complimentary to my younger son. Can you spot the statto tendencies that run in in the family? ;)
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I'm intrigued now. Who is your son? Glad I was complimentary anyway.
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I took a few Everton fans to the Bolton game last year (where we won 1-2) and they said whilst we were very, very funny they'd never met a more pessimistic bunch of supporters in their lives. To be fair, we were singing "how shit must you be, we're winning away" and, when 2-0 up, "2-2, we're gonna draw 2-2".
Tis all jolly japes, following Villa away.
I fail to see how those types of chants inspire the team. They may well rouse a chortle among the crowd and the opposition fans just might think the Villa fans are wags with their zany humour, but the Villa players on the pitch (if they hear it) must inwardly cringe. It's hardly uplifting stuff for a team containing three or four youngsters. It's all good, character building stuff, I suppose.
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I took a few Everton fans to the Bolton game last year (where we won 1-2) and they said whilst we were very, very funny they'd never met a more pessimistic bunch of supporters in their lives. To be fair, we were singing "how shit must you be, we're winning away" and, when 2-0 up, "2-2, we're gonna draw 2-2".
Tis all jolly japes, following Villa away.
I fail to see how those types of chants inspire the team. They may well rouse a chortle among the crowd and the opposition fans just might think the Villa fans are wags with their zany humour, but the Villa players on the pitch (if they hear it) must inwardly cringe. It's hardly uplifting stuff for a team containing three or four youngsters. It's all good, character building stuff, I suppose.
I doubt the players listen to each individual song when playing. If its a very loud 'Villa' or a clearly recognisable repeated rendition of 'Paul Lambert's etc' then of course they will notice it. But I wouldn't worry about them picking and choosing songs they like/ don't like. If they do hear them they're more likely to find them funny in the dressing room afterwards. As long as we've won obviously.
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After speaking with him outside the Crabtree I've sent a request for him to join the Kingston Lions, his PA seemed enthusiastic.
He'll be replacing Chico Hamilton who, if I'm honest, brings nothing to the table.
Eff you and your Kingston Lions.
I'm off to form a splinter group, the much more alliterative "Lewisham Lions"
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Sounds like a women's team Chico. Not that I've got anything against woman's teams or that, but they shouldn't be in football. Talking to a woman about football, or rather them talking to you, is like a bloke trying to understand a menstrual cycle. But, I don't want to appear misogynistic and I think it's fantastic that they actually got the vote.
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But, I don't want to appear misogynistic and I think it's fantastic that they actually got the vote.
Same here. I draw the line at letting them into pubs though.
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But, I don't want to appear misogynistic and I think it's fantastic that they actually got the vote.
Same here. I draw the line at letting them into pubs though.
I don't know. I've met some who've poured a cracking pint.
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After speaking with him outside the Crabtree I've sent a request for him to join the Kingston Lions, his PA seemed enthusiastic.
He'll be replacing Chico Hamilton who, if I'm honest, brings nothing to the table.
Eff you and your Kingston Lions.
I'm off to form a splinter group, the much more alliterative "Lewisham Lions"
For the right fee I am prepared to join either group and can muster 7 million Chinese members if that helps.
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Are you Carsen Yeung?
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Are you Carsen Yeung?
If there is money in it I am prepared to be.
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You sound even more like him now.
Number 1 at the back and sides, short on the top and tapered at the back. And could you trim my eyebrows?
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You sound even more like him now.
Number 1 at the back and sides, short on the top and tapered at the back. And could you trim my eyebrows?
Certainly sir. Please leave the money in an envelope under the Daily Mirror on the window side table in McDonalds Wan Chao ( allegedly etc)
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Haha! Okay.
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I took a few Everton fans to the Bolton game last year (where we won 1-2) and they said whilst we were very, very funny they'd never met a more pessimistic bunch of supporters in their lives. To be fair, we were singing "how shit must you be, we're winning away" and, when 2-0 up, "2-2, we're gonna draw 2-2".
Tis all jolly japes, following Villa away.
I fail to see how those types of chants inspire the team. They may well rouse a chortle among the crowd and the opposition fans just might think the Villa fans are wags with their zany humour, but the Villa players on the pitch (if they hear it) must inwardly cringe. It's hardly uplifting stuff for a team containing three or four youngsters. It's all good, character building stuff, I suppose.
Its a bit of a laugh, or would you rather we act to the stereo-type and just sing the Villa all game?
Fulham was good, but after 10 renditions of Holteenders in the Sky in the 1st half it did get a bit tiresome. I like Everton fans away from home, not many teams make much noise. United away fans are some of the best down VP in terms of noise. Albion are the worst, barely make any noise, sing SOTV 1,000 times before kick off them go home crying on their forums that Villa are shit, Birmighams shit and that we really do care. I find them the cringeist fans going, all of their songs are original and boring
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I disagree with all this slating of Albion's travelling fans. I think they've been very loud the last couple of times they've come to Villa Park. Granted they've had reason to be for once.
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I disagree with all this slating of Albion's travelling fans. I think they've been very loud the last couple of times they've come to Villa Park. Granted they've had reason to be for once.
Verbal warning.
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Albion's away support is like their home support. Shit and related to one another.
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I took a few Everton fans to the Bolton game last year (where we won 1-2) and they said whilst we were very, very funny they'd never met a more pessimistic bunch of supporters in their lives. To be fair, we were singing "how shit must you be, we're winning away" and, when 2-0 up, "2-2, we're gonna draw 2-2".
Tis all jolly japes, following Villa away.
I fail to see how those types of chants inspire the team. They may well rouse a chortle among the crowd and the opposition fans just might think the Villa fans are wags with their zany humour, but the Villa players on the pitch (if they hear it) must inwardly cringe. It's hardly uplifting stuff for a team containing three or four youngsters. It's all good, character building stuff, I suppose.
Its a bit of a laugh, or would you rather we act to the stereo-type and just sing the Villa all game?
Fulham was good, but after 10 renditions of Holteenders in the Sky in the 1st half it did get a bit tiresome. I like Everton fans away from home, not many teams make much noise. United away fans are some of the best down VP in terms of noise. Albion are the worst, barely make any noise, sing SOTV 1,000 times before kick off them go home crying on their forums that Villa are shit, Birmighams shit and that we really do care. I find them the cringeist fans going, all of their songs are original and boring
Must admit at the Emirates when they were chanting "RVP scores when he wants" and we replied with "Heskey scores when he wants" I just burst out laughing and had to join in.
Doubt Heskey would've enjoyed hearing it but that's the sort of humour that football crowds should be about.