Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: arnie66 on November 05, 2012, 03:17:01 PM
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I'm really hoping that just for once there are no glory hunting plastic Mancs sitting in the Trinity block B on Saturday. The last couple of times we have played them they have been in the few seats around us not occupied by season ticket holders.
Although not overtly celebrating when Jones scored last year they were obvious.
I seem to remember some Villa fans pulling a Manc out of an exec box at the back of block B last year and giving him a slap. Quite unusual for Trinity block B where it's usually very quiet and sedate.
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Didn't Sir. Herbert start the practice of selling off tickets in the Villa areas to their "supporters"?
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if someone is not overtly celebrating and generally behaving well and respectful within the surroundings, why do we have to throw them out?
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we don't have to throw them out......just annoys me that they are not Villa fans.....and of course the childish part of me wants them to be asked to leave.
Just can't help it
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There may well be Man U supporters in the Villa areas of the ground but they won't be Mancs - everything but Mancs probably.
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That's the thing with that lot though. They don't tend do those things. The common thing to do when in the wrong end is keep your mouth shut and head down, it's what most of us have done when in with the home fans. Instead they tend to act like it's their own end which will always antagonize someone sitting near. Right or wrong heat of the moment and all that and someone will dish out a slap.
Not proud of it but one of the last times I was involved in anything inside a stadium was with that lot. IIRC it was the season the Holte was rebuilt so we were in the Lower Trinity and they had a much reduced allocation. They scored and 2 complete bellends next to me and my mate went up in the air and gave it the big one. Not proud of our actions so I won't say what happened next.
My point is though that there's been plenty of other occasions where i've known away fans were by me in the Holte or wherever but they behaved in a sensible way so I didn't really give a feck, apart from the usual annoyance that they manage to get tickets in there, but that's an issue I have more with the club when it happens.
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Sad that people can't sit in our stands without fear of being thrown out for showing support- a friend of mine joined me for a match and was supporting the opposition but had a coat on , a steward saw his collar and threatened him "one word from you and you will be out " , totally uncalled for in my opinion- I remember the days when away fans would sit in the home stand without fear of ejection.
As long as they are well behaved and not abusive I don't see a problem- god knows I've been in away stands and celebrated villa goals many times in the past , do it now though and it probably would mean being thrown out or worse.
I remember at highfield road keeping a low profile until villa scored only to jump up and punch the air and find most of the home stand doing the same - there must have been more villa than cov in their own main stand - happy days.
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A friend of mine who lives in London wanted to take his mum and his son to watch villa v Arsenal the man and his mum were Villa fans but the boy who is about 5 supports Arsenal as all his mates do I tried to get some tickets for him to sit in the Doug Ellis and when the ticket Lady asked if they were all Villa fans I said the 2 adults were but the boy of 5 was arsenal she would not let me buy them so I said how is he supposed to be able to watch she just kept repeating she could not sell them I asked if she thought a 5 year old was going to start a fight but she would not sell them I should of said they were all Villa it does not pay to be honest!!
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It seems to work perfectly well at Fulham....in their neutral section.
Can't ever remember seeing any issues there
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it's happened for the last few years in the North Stand. They score (they usually do) then, someone goes up, either one of the locals points to the culprits or a scuffle goes on.
Last year it happened in the row in front of me about 10 seats to my left, someone pointed this guy to the stewards and they came over and accompanied him out the stand. I saw they were taking him out and felt like saying 'Sod off you stupid gloryhunter' but, as he got closer he got bigger, very big so I kept my opinion to myself.
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I bought an additional ticket for Saturdays game a few weeks back for a villa supporting mate. I asked the guy at the ticket office what date the game would go on general sale. He said it won't in order to prevent away fans buying tickets in the home areas. Checked today online and the match is on general sale. A bit confused by this!
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It seems to work perfectly well at Fulham....in their neutral section.
Can't ever remember seeing any issues there
It once kicked off really badly in there when some bloke claimed he preferred generic New World Shiraz to second-rate estate-bottled Bordeaux.
Claret everywhere
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Chortle.
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It seems to work perfectly well at Fulham....in their neutral section.
Can't ever remember seeing any issues there
It once kicked off really badly in there when some bloke claimed he preferred generic New World Shiraz to second-rate estate-bottled Bordeaux.
Claret everywhere
The stewards did their best but try as they might couldn't Appelation Control it.
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I wouldn't mind if a goal was cheered/applauded/clapped, no problem, if they got abusive then chuck them out. I always thought it would add to the atmosphere if everyone was in together singing songs etc.
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I wouldn't mind if a goal was cheered/applauded/clapped, no problem, if they got abusive then chuck them out. I always thought it would add to the atmosphere if everyone was in together singing songs etc.
I agree with this view.
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We do not sell out and that givces open book to sell tickets up to the day of the game
Most of the "Reds" in the stands will either be
Local glory hunters with Birmingham accents
Actual Villa fans who have glory hunting mates
Actual villa fans who have glory hunting kids
Football tourists - who come to see United
Whichever one they are the only way to even attempt to stop them is to sell all our tickets ourselves.
Once they are in unless for their own safety or others safety it is difficult to remove them unless they actually do something wrong. If they are attempting to wear colours then they are told to remove / cover them up - failure to do so is an instant ejection. If any supporter causes an incident or trouble at any time when either team score then they to would be ejected under ground safety - if bad language or offensive gestures are used then they would also potentially be arrested.
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I wouldn't mind if a goal was cheered/applauded/clapped, no problem, if they got abusive then chuck them out. I always thought it would add to the atmosphere if everyone was in together singing songs etc.
Yes, we could all throw our hats in the air if a goal went in and celebrate with a Woodbine or a pipe and smile like retards with severely bad dental hygiene into a Pathe cine camera.
It ain't going to happen.
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I hate having them near me, they make my skin crawl
Unfortunately my seat in the Upper Witton is now right next to them!
Not really looking forward to this one!
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I think getting rid of fan segregation would cause far more problems than it solves, and would most likely worsen the atmosphere at games. In my view, it's fine the way it is.
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I hate having them near me, they make my skin crawl
Unfortunately my seat in the Upper Witton is now right next to them!
Not really looking forward to this one!
How can you hate the famous Brummie Reds!
Wankers.
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we don't have to throw them out......just annoys me that they are not Villa fans.....and of course the childish part of me wants them to be asked to leave.
Just can't help it
The childish part of me wants them to get a damn good kicking.
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A few years ago I sat in the Charlton end for a match. When we were sussed out as Villa fans we were met with 'Why don't you go sit with your own lot' (amongst worse, lots of silly posturing). To which i replied with 'Our section was sold out, whereas it was easy enough getting a ticket here with you lot'
Simple matter was that if they had sold all of their tickets I wouldn't have been able to get a ticket in the home end.
Sadly, the same logic must follow here
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It seems to work perfectly well at Fulham....in their neutral section.
Can't ever remember seeing any issues there
It once kicked off really badly in there when some bloke claimed he preferred generic New World Shiraz to second-rate estate-bottled Bordeaux.
Claret everywhere
Brilliant.
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i have nothing against Cockernees. Just as long as they are respectful during the game. I have sat in the wrong end at Everton, Liverpool, United, as they were opportunities to watch my team. its tough though, you cant celebrate when you score, and its shite when they do
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I hate having them near me, they make my skin crawl
I get the same feeling from standing near Tories.
Actually, no I don't because that would be stupid, as is saying that a fellow football fan who happens to support a different team makes your skin crawl.
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I hate having them near me, they make my skin crawl
I get the same feeling from standing near Tories.
Actually, no I don't because that would be stupid, as is saying that a fellow football fan who happens to support a different team makes your skin crawl.
ordinarily you are right......but there is something extra annoying about gobby, self righteous, arrogant, glory hunting, pitch encroaching, in yer face, fake, cockney, brummie and anywhere but Manchester dicks !!!!
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Tories AND Man Utd fans for me, sorry.
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I wouldn't mind if a goal was cheered/applauded/clapped, no problem, if they got abusive then chuck them out. I always thought it would add to the atmosphere if everyone was in together singing songs etc.
Yes, we could all throw our hats in the air if a goal went in and celebrate with a Woodbine or a pipe and smile like retards with severely bad dental hygiene into a Pathe cine camera.
It ain't going to happen.
Ironically in the dark days of football violence it did happen - it was usually ok to sit in the seats and openly celebrate.
I guess all seater stadia have changed the mind set and seats are not now considered de facto neutral or neutralish areas.
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Socialists make me wanna puke.
There you go - political balance.
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They are bound to be in home sections of the ground. As has been said before I have no problem with this as long as they conduct themselves in an appropriate manner.
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I have to put up with a pub full of them on saturday. All of them are class 1 wankers. There will be 7 Villa and the rest, maybe 30 will be plastic wankers. I so hope we can get a result against them, i will then offer to buy the gobbiest plastic wanker a beer, and take great pleasure in rimming his glass with my john thomas. Plastic, glory hunting pricks. Feck em.
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I have to put up with a pub full of them on saturday. All of them are class 1 wankers. There will be 7 Villa and the rest, maybe 30 will be plastic wankers. I so hope we can get a result against them, i will then offer to buy the gobbiest plastic wanker a beer, and take great pleasure in rimming his glass with my john thomas. Plastic, glory hunting pricks. Feck em.
All of them?
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IFWaters: I'm an anarcho-syndicalist, so you didn't really achieve political balance.
You cousin-fucking coke-snorting chinless alien*.
*Joke.
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Whenever this type of subject comes up, I always think of 03 when the Nose in the Upper Witton by the Holte jumped up, only to beaten to a pulp and kicked down the stairs.
If you keep yourself to yourself, then fine. There was a Norwich fan next to me in the upper Holte and he was alright. Plenty of banter.
You cannot get rid of segregation though. What would all the "hold me back" types do when giving you all sorts of vile abuse and nobody in a yellow jacket to hide behind?
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I've sat at Highbury, Old Trafford, White Hart Lane, Craven Cottage in the home end and as long as you're not a tw@t there is no problem.
Also I've been to hundreds of rugby matches and there are completely mixed and never once is there an issue.
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We had it in the Trinity Upper a few years ago when they stuffed us 1-4
Loads of United up there giving it the big one, I wanted to deck one of them who was singing "shit on the villa" he was very drunk, I decided giving him a slap was probably a bad idea, shortly after the stewards through him out.
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As bad as it is have glory hunters in our stands, I find the football tourists even worse.
Probably from the midlands, not actual man u fans but going to 'the match' because it is Man U.
Not knowing where they are going, taking photos everywhere, getting in the bloody way.
Bastards.
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I'm in Witton Upper P8 this year so toe to toe with the cockney idiots. Must control myself.
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I won't take my lad against this lot. The later kick off gives them ideal opportunity for a few more hours of drinking. This coupled with their usual cockney arrogance - i'll give it a miss. I've seen more problems with them lot than any other. No thanks.
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I'm in Witton Upper P8 this year so toe to toe with the cockney idiots. Must control myself.
Same here.
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Tickets on GS now.
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A few seasons ago at a cup match I made a young lad cry.
Can't really remember what started it but the boy's father said something along the lines of " we don't even come from Manchester we're from Wolverhampton" I got no reaction from him at all when i suggested he should bring his kids up to support Wolves rather than a team he rarely gets to see.
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It's the absolute arrogance and disrespect that I can't stand.
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As bad as it is have glory hunters in our stands, I find the football tourists even worse.
Probably from the midlands, not actual man u fans but going to 'the match' because it is Man U.
Not knowing where they are going, taking photos everywhere, getting in the bloody way.
Bastards.
Yeah, and asking a steward "Where's the Holte End?" when stood right outside the Holte End. That actually happened.
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Manu brummies in our stands. This is one of the most annoying detestable thing every season.
As usual upper Witton End will be full of Brummies of Asian decent supporting f in Manu. This really makes my blood boil. They are absolute wankers and I hate them I hate them I hate them. If only I could...........
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Cockney ManUre fans who try to do a Manchester accent are the worst. It boils my piss.
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I hate having them near me, they make my skin crawl
Unfortunately my seat in the Upper Witton is now right next to them!
Not really looking forward to this one!
How can you hate the famous Brummie Reds!
Wankers.
In 1988 (November the 5th if I recall), the "famous" Brummie Reds were parading their flag right next to the Villa enclosure all through the game quite blatantly. Luckily, Sid got the equaliser that shut them up a bit.
After the game, they had the unfortunate experience of bumping into my mate from Quinton out side Mould Trafford, who subsequently nicked their flag and then growled at them whilst he walked off with it. I'm not into theft, but was one of the funniest things that I have seen at a football game.
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You should be able to sit where you like really and watch a football match but it all boils down to respect and in my experience that lot invariably have none.
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Not that i condole voilence, but if you're sat in the home end and you celebrate when manure score, you're 1) being a prick and 2) asking for trouble.
However If you sit there and mind your own business, then there shouldnt be a problem, (we need to boost the gates anyway)
But I for one remember going to villa blues derby in the early 00's, whilst there was still a real hatred for Man U, the majority wouldnt accept blues fans celebrating in the villa end, so why should mancs be any different ?
UTV
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Does anybody remember in the early/mid 90's, in the programme for the next game after Man U at home, there was a special appeal from Doug Ellis for Villa fans to be more respectful because a family of Man U fans sat in the Holte End and got a torrent of abuse and left the stadium in tears?
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I have no issue with away fans in home areas provided they are respectful and not "looking for it". I've done it many times to see villa away, sit in a home area but you need to behave. Invariably I have found United fans seem to think they are above all the sensible guidelines.
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I have no problem with manu fans from Manchester sitting next to me. I do have a problem with glory hunting Brummies supporting manu sitting anywhere at Villa park.
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I hate having them near me, they make my skin crawl
Unfortunately my seat in the Upper Witton is now right next to them!
Not really looking forward to this one!
How can you hate the famous Brummie Reds!
Wankers.
In 1988 (November the 5th if I recall), the "famous" Brummie Reds were parading their flag right next to the Villa enclosure all through the game quite blatantly. Luckily, Sid got the equaliser that shut them up a bit.
After the game, they had the unfortunate experience of bumping into my mate from Quinton out side Mould Trafford, who subsequently nicked their flag and then growled at them whilst he walked off with it. I'm not into theft, but was one of the funniest things that I have seen at a football game.
I remember it well, the reaction that flag provoked shocked me at the time such was the anger.
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Brummie Reds. The denizens of hades. Not only are they closet blosers who 'support' Man U, but they also tend to think that Manchester is the greatest place on earth.
They have no souls.
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I find Brummie Reds quite entertaining these days though. Pretend to befriend them, ask them if they're thinking of changing to Citeh yet or maybe Chelsea. Never let it go, just keep chipping away at their obvious character flaw, ask them if their Dad supported Blues and if he did just nod wisely.
The best is in a world cup year, ask them why they are wearing an England top, shouldn't it be Brazil? Not wearing Argentina anymore eh ?
However if any of them ever supported Villa before or are from a family of Villa just walk away and never talk to them again because they really are the dammed.
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Despite the above though, they have played some of the best football I've seen in my lifetime, and who wouldn't envy that ?.........but thats not the point !
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Brummie/Cockney Reds make life easy for psychologists.
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I won't take my lad against this lot.
I'm taking my 6 year old - only his second ever Villa game.
His first game was at home to the Albion last year. They don't beat us for 31 years - there were 31-year old west Brom fans who've never seen them beat us at Villa Park - I take my son to his first ever Villa game and they beat us. Maybe he's a curse.
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I won't take my lad against this lot.
I'm taking my 6 year old - only his second ever Villa game.
His first game was at home to the Albion last year. They don't beat us for 31 years - there were 31-year old west Brom fans who've never seen them beat us at Villa Park - I take my son to his first ever Villa game and they beat us. Maybe he's a curse.
Leave him at home!!
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I don't see the issue with it. They have two choices - keep quiet, in which case they won't enjoy any goal for them as much, or give it the big'un, in which case they'll be deeply uncomfortable for the rest of the game surrounded by dozens of home fans.
I've only done the away fan in the home end once, but it was at Anfield during the 2005 European Cup semi. I was the only man on the Kop who wanted a Chelski victory.
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Not that i condole voilence,
I have never, ever condoled voilence.
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Only been in one away end with Villa and that was at the sty early 80's ( When it was an even bigger shithole than it is now, hard, i know) massive fight outside the away end so got out of the crush and went in their end, showed the copper who was just inside the turnstile my Villa tattoo thinking he may let me through into the Villa end. No such luck, the wanker gestured to the cavemen with blue and white scarfs on that i was Villa, i spent the next twenty or so minutes getting pelted with coins before i was let into the Villa end along side others who had the same idea as me. We all agreed that maybe we had left our brains at home that day.
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Stood in the home end at Derby once, it was not long after David Platt had [I think if memory serves] run some old lady over in his car????
He was getting dogs abuse about it from the Derby fans until Platt turned his back on them and gave them the 'wankers' hand gesture.
I have a Villa tattoo on my arm and wore a short sleeve top, I had to spend the whole game with my left hand clamped around my right arm hiding the tattoo! A good day though!
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We all know it's going to happen on Saturday and the reason is that most of these 'fans' only go to one match a season and genuinely do not understand why anyone at a 'live' football match would ever have any reason to be bothered about it.
Like the Manc gloryhunter at my local gym who reasons that United are a 'global' club and their supporters come from everywhere, you are likely to be sat near a plastic Manc on Saturday evening wherever you are in the ground.
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Im going to be in The Shed on Dec 23rd with all the solicitors, accountants and bankers.
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if someone is not overtly celebrating and generally behaving well and respectful within the surroundings, why do we have to throw them out?
I'd agree with this. Would never do this myself though, if I can't sit with my own fans watching my team I'd rather not go, seems like a joyless experience to me.
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We all know it's going to happen on Saturday and the reason is that most of these 'fans' only go to one match a season and genuinely do not understand why anyone at a 'live' football match would ever have any reason to be bothered about it.
Like the Manc gloryhunter at my local gym who reasons that United are a 'global' club and their supporters come from everywhere, you are likely to be sat near a plastic Manc on Saturday evening wherever you are in the ground.
Isn't there a saying that you are never more than six feet away from a rat ???
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Not that i condole voilence,
I have never, ever condoled voilence.
How do you voilate anyway?
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Only 2865 tickets left now according to the online ticket website - will be biggest turnout this season..wonder how many of those will be utd fans?
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I've been in with the home fans at Maine Rd, never did it since because it was awful not being able to react to things etc and worse when they scored to win 1-0 in the fa cup. I think a few around me cottoned on and it got a bit hairy when at the end of the game our boys started kicking off.
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I've been in with the home fans at Maine Rd, never did it since because it was awful not being able to react to things etc and worse when they scored to win 1-0 in the fa cup. I think a few around me cottoned on and it got a bit hairy when at the end of the game our boys started kicking off
Tony Coton played a blinder for them that day. Villa fans spilled onto the pitch at the end and a police horse stood on my foot.
I've sat in the Stretford end twice for Villa games. fortunately we never came close to scoring in either game
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If they give it the 'big I am' in the Villa end and up getting a kicking/getting chucked out I really don't have any sympathy. They know what they're doing, they're adults, they should should expect consequences to their actions.
However, it seems like lots of people are getting their knickers in a twist about this, as if the Holte will be half full of United fans - it won't be. Offhand, I can't remember any of them being in the Holte when I've attended.
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I've been in with the home fans at Maine Rd, never did it since because it was awful not being able to react to things etc and worse when they scored to win 1-0 in the fa cup. I think a few around me cottoned on and it got a bit hairy when at the end of the game our boys started kicking off
Tony Coton played a blinder for them that day. Villa fans spilled onto the pitch at the end and a police horse stood on my foot.
I've sat in the Stretford end twice for Villa games. fortunately we never came close to scoring in either game
Yep thats the one I was in the corner nearest our fans so caught up in the stampede of Citeh fans trying to get down to the pitch.
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I went in the Kop at b-lose for Joe Gallagher's testemonial.
I didn't celebrate a goal or anything but I was not exactly unknown to b-lose hooligans so I got recognised.
I got battered.
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I went in the Kop at b-lose for Joe Gallagher's testemonial.
I didn't celebrate a goal or anything but I was not exactly unknown to b-lose hooligans so I got recognised.
I got battered.
Are you an old school hooligan of ill repute Percy ?
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IFWaters: I'm an anarcho-syndicalist, so you didn't really achieve political balance.
You cousin-fucking coke-snorting chinless alien*.
*Joke.
Ha ha ha you rascal.
I mistook you for Ed Balls. The fat ******.
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Arnie: I'm an old-school hooligan of not much repute at all sadly. Mostly I just held the coats and stood at the back. But I know 'em all. If the OB could see who I get texts off on derby day, they'd think I was organising everything.
IF: I'm not fat, but you're not a million miles away with the rest.
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I've sat in among away fans plenty of times and you just have to sit on your hands and be pretty discreet. Just common sense really.
If you are lucky you can even have a wee chat if not surrounded by Neanderthals. Amazingly I managed this at Upton Park the year they were rebuilding the away end (1994) and only gave us 300 tickets in the seats. And the two occasions I have seen us win at Stamford Bridge have both been behind enemy lines. Frustrating, but better than being with the Villa fans and losing.
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Reminds me of the 80's when often on about 10-15 mins you'd see a pocket of Fila/Tacchini clad away fans spring out of a home area and get an OB escort around the pitch into the away end.
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Not that i condole voilence,
I have never, ever condoled voilence.
Voilence is quite upset about that, actually.
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Not that i condole voilence,
I have never, ever condoled voilence.
Don't pick on him - he's just typing in Brummie.
Anyway, I can remember a couple of Man U fans (fella and his lad) sitting next to me in the Upper Holte years ago for a midweek cup match. He was quite obviously not a regular at Villa Park but to be fair to him he kept quiet, even as we went 2-0 up at half time.
It was at this point I was unbelievably tempted to turn to him and say, 'Never mind, there's always next year' but thankfully I didn't. They brought Van Nistelrooy on at half time, he scored twice, and they won 3-2. The fella looked so smug when he left.
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Pedant alert: that was on a Sunday, Adam. I remember going in my local after, and all the noses were loving it. One said 'Season over, you won't get a crowd over 25,000 for the rest of the season'. I bet him twenty quid we wouldn't get one under 30k, and I won.
When I took the money off him, I said 'Don't EVER get us mixed up with your shitty little tin-pot club again'.
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Pedant alert: that was on a Sunday, Adam. I remember going in my local after, and all the noses were loving it. One said 'Season over, you won't get a crowd over 25,000 for the rest of the season'. I bet him twenty quid we wouldn't get one under 30k, and I won.
When I took the money off him, I said 'Don't EVER get us mixed up with your shitty little tin-pot club again'.
It was a night/evening game though? I can cope with my memory playing tricks on me when it comes to days of the week. When I start forgetting whether it was daylight or not it's time for someone to put me down.
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I sat in the home end at WHL when we had that dreadful outing under TSM...possibly the most depressing thing I've ever done.
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The reverse of the thread title - I went to a match at OldT quite a long time ago (I was a student in Mancland) with Caroline, an old school friend who was up for the weekend to take in the Villa game and somebody playing at the Free Trade Hall (could have been Deep Purple). Anyway, as the 'hostess' as it were, I was in charge of getting the tickets and it was dead easy, I just rang up, they asked me my address and I got them.
Then when we turned up in our Villa scarves, we found our seats were right in the middle of the Stretford End.
The fans around us were quite good, really, very, very welcoming to a couple of 19-year-old female villa fans, all things considered. It was probably just as well that they won in the end. But there was that moment when the Villa scored!
At that moment, 2 girls leapt up in the middle of the SEnd and shouted, 'YES!' Then we remembered where we were.
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Adam: No need to worry, it was a 6.15 kick off. Someone told me the details on here the other day when I got the year wrong! :\
Now, having re-assured you about your memory, I'm afraid I have to inform you that I think at least one, if not both, of our goals was in the second half.
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Goals: Taylor 51, Phil Neville 53 og.
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Absolutely hate these **stards. After last season's game I was stood under the revolving TV behind the North Stand and one of them came up to us as if he Knew us stating we must hate them as they always win here. He was off as soon as he arrived dancing round taking the piss. As a 58 year old grandad I considered an arrestable offence but my son and my sister told me the error I might have made.So typical of the detestable worst by a mile away fans we ever have to suffer. I would give my right bollock to beat them on Saturday !
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That lot are ****** of the highest order. That is all.
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Just posted this in the pre-match about the club, but realised it also applies to the fans as well.
I'd just like to add that I fecking hate these wankers, probably even more than I do small heath.
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My least favourite game of the season because of all this shite....that and half 5 I'm giving this one a miss.
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My least favourite game of the season because of all this shite....that and half 5 I'm giving this one a miss.
I'm quite glad that I can't afford to go to this one. Which probably means we'll win just to spite me! I'll take the win every time mind.
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My least favourite game of the season because of all this shite...
Mine too.
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I'd just like to add that I fecking hate these wankers, probably even more than I do small heath.
Same here. A magnet for tossers, tourists and scum.
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Despite the above though, they have played some of the best football I've seen in my lifetime, and who wouldn't envy that ?.........but thats not the point !
It's funny, I don't really hate any of the team anymore.
For all his faults Rooney is one of the best English players of the last 20 years imo, Van Persie is arguably the best player in the premier league, Valencia is one of my favourite non-villa players and the likes of De Gea, Rafael, Carrick, Fletcher, Wellbeck etc I really have no opinion either way.
Same for the manager aswell. I think with the longevity he's been there, you just have to respect what Fergie does there year in year out and most of his rants don't make much sense anyway.
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My least favourite game of the season because of all this shite....that and half 5 I'm giving this one a miss.
I'm quite glad that I can't afford to go to this one. Which probably means we'll win just to spite me! I'll take the win every time mind.
Yeah wouldn't shock me tbh and I'd be equally as delighted.
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Goals: Taylor 51, Phil Neville 53 og.
A horrible evening. There were Mancs running around off their faces and the atmosphere was awful, I saw one bloke get started on despite the fact that his only companion was his son who looked no more than 8 years old. There was a Villa fan sitting by us who bought his glory hunting mate. He kept fairly quiet but when the third went in everyone lost their rag (including me) and started having a pop so they were forced to leave.
There were Mancs below us in the Witton and they were having a go throughout the game, acting like the worst fuckin' nose's imaginable.
Then the final straw was the pitch invasion, with their players carried off shoulder high. This was a catalyst for me and it wasn't long after that I gave up my season ticket and I haven't had one since. I've seen far worse trouble at close hand and seen more crushing defeats but this night was one of the most unpleasant time I have experienced watching football.
And that includes 030303.
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It was a pisser thats for sure.
03/03/03 will always stand out though as the evilest atmosphere in Villa Park history.
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I was at that cup match with my old man who supports utd. I was giving him shit when we were 2-0 up so most around us knew he was utd. Once the equalise went in and the pitch invasions happened for the second time, it got quite uncomfortable for the rest of the match. We were sat upstairs in the Holte End...
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Do the Kiddie Reds still get ambushed in Dudley at the Castle Hill lights ;-)
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Do the Kiddie Reds still get ambushed in Dudley at the Castle Hill lights ;-)
Let's hope so.
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They really are an obnoxious bunch.
It makes me laugh when Plastic mancs say the hate liverpool. If they'd been born 10 years earlier they would have been Livepoool 'fans'. Glory hunting muppets!
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It was a pisser thats for sure.
03/03/03 will always stand out though as the evilest atmosphere in Villa Park history.
Amen to that. Horrible. People falling down rows of seats and all sorts. As a 16yr old, it made quite an impression, let alone the police sh*t going on outside the ground after.
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It was a short, sharp, shock. The b-losers haven't been naughty at VP since.
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It was a short, sharp, shock. The b-losers haven't been naughty at VP since.
I hope they never have a reason to come to Villa Park again. They really are a grotesque bunch of inbreeds.
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Like the Manc gloryhunter at my local gym who reasons that United are a 'global' club and their supporters come from everywhere, you are likely to be sat near a plastic Manc on Saturday evening wherever you are in the ground.
Unfortunately, they're like rats. You're never more than ten feet from one.
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That night of the FA cup game has to go down as one of my disappointments following the Villa but more from a personal points of view more than anything else. Despite all the disappoints I've experienced watching the Villa this was the only time I have ever lost it.
I had been lucky enough (if thats the right word) to be invited to watch the game in one of the executive boxes in the North Stand as a guess of a business we were looking to strike up a relationship with.
When I turned up there was five other people there and guess what ALL of them fucking Man U 'supporters'
There was this one guy in particular a really annoying, argogant, patronizing little shit - 'Man U this, Man U that, how shit Villa are blah blah blah' in my face all through the pre match meal with his snide remarks and patronising attitude.
Amazingly he seemed to lose his voice when we were 2-0 up, it was time for me to seek my revenge but wisely I had decided to keep my powder dry after all this was Villa, and Man U do have this irritating habit of coming back. How wise that was as we all now what happened.
Hardly surprising then that when Man U's 3rd went in MR MAN U suddenly found his annoying southern accented voice again. Jumped out his chair shouting some incoherent abuse directed at me.
Well the red mist came down and I just twated him there was a little scuffle but nothing really bad before we were broken up and I decided it was time I left.
Needless to say I was never invited back.
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I think it was the year we came second under BFR. Liverpool away.
Some clown on the row in front of us was a Liverpool fan who had a ticket in our end.
5 minutes before kick off he popped on his scouse hat and scarf. Unfortunately for him this was at the exact time a flag was being passed in our direction.
The flag was held in place for a short time whilst he took a hiding underneath it.
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Haha! Excellent planning.
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I think it was the year we came second under BFR. Liverpool away.
Some clown on the row in front of us was a Liverpool fan who had a ticket in our end.
5 minutes before kick off he popped on his scouse hat and scarf. Unfortunately for him this was at the exact time a flag was being passed in our direction.
The flag was held in place for a short time whilst he took a hiding underneath it.
Great idea .......can we have a flag in every stand on Saturday
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Are people expecting trouble this Saturday what with it being them and a 530ko ?
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Are people expecting trouble this Saturday what with it being them and a 530ko ?
I think that the late kick off will create more alcohol related issues
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Talking of flags, I meant to mention this at the time but completely forgot (sigh, old age). Anyone know why they never used the flag on The Holte before the Norwich game? They brought it out, unfurled it, stood there a while then rolled it up again and took it away.
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Talking of flags, I meant to mention this at the time but completely forgot (sigh, old age). Anyone know why they never used the flag on The Holte before the Norwich game? They brought it out, unfurled it, stood there a while then rolled it up again and took it away.
My default position in these situations is to blame Health & Safety.
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Are people expecting trouble this Saturday what with it being them and a 530ko ?
Yes
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Talking of flags, I meant to mention this at the time but completely forgot (sigh, old age). Anyone know why they never used the flag on The Holte before the Norwich game? They brought it out, unfurled it, stood there a while then rolled it up again and took it away.
Because the flag is a daft idea in the first place ?
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Talking of flags, I meant to mention this at the time but completely forgot (sigh, old age). Anyone know why they never used the flag on The Holte before the Norwich game? They brought it out, unfurled it, stood there a while then rolled it up again and took it away.
Because the flag is a daft idea in the first place ?
I think the flag looks great crossing the Holte
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Are people expecting trouble this Saturday what with it being them and a 530ko ?
No.
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Talking of flags, I meant to mention this at the time but completely forgot (sigh, old age). Anyone know why they never used the flag on The Holte before the Norwich game? They brought it out, unfurled it, stood there a while then rolled it up again and took it away.
The stewards didn't realise that it was only Brigada flags that can't be flown ;)
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I think it was the year we came second under BFR. Liverpool away.
Some clown on the row in front of us was a Liverpool fan who had a ticket in our end.
5 minutes before kick off he popped on his scouse hat and scarf. Unfortunately for him this was at the exact time a flag was being passed in our direction.
The flag was held in place for a short time whilst he took a hiding underneath it.
I really shouldn't laugh, but you know...
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Are people expecting trouble this Saturday what with it being them and a 530ko ?
The problem is they come from all over the UK so will be mingled in with us good citizens wherever we park - there have been skirmishes on the Broadway before now when mini buses come to pick the Manure up of the streets of Aston. I am reformed now and will be a model supporter unless called on to defend myself or others...
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My neighbour two doors down is a Man U fan and I've just found out he is in the Trinity.
I get on OK with him and know he will keep a low profile.
If I see him there I will run up to him and put my scarf round him screaming at the top of my voice "Quick! Wear this you Fergie lover so you don't get any trouble!"
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I counted 52 Manyooo shirts today driving through Puerto Del Carmen, 7 Celtic, 10 Rangers, 1 Wigan ,1 Norwich and a Carlisle United top. Funny thing is most of the Manyooo wearing tossers actually live over here and a good percentage of them are Indian and Chinese. Nuff said. Oh and the rest speak with a strange southern accent. Nuff said again. Plastic Wunkers.
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Would people prefer a crowd of 34,000 and no Man U fans in the villa end or a sell out but plenty of them in our end. I'd go for the latter, provided they dont act like idiots it's all money in the clubs coffers and will look better than swathes of empty seats.
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Would people prefer a crowd of 34,000 and no Man U fans in the villa end or a sell out but plenty of them in our end. I'd go for the latter, provided they dont act like idiots it's all money in the clubs coffers and will look better than swathes of empty seats.
I'd rather see plenty of empty seats than have them lot taking up the home areas, they're a vile lot!!!
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Hate the brummie ones with a passion and to be honest if they're in the villa ends and are vocal they should be done.
There used to be a coach load of them that always parked down witton in the early 80s and i couldn't wait to get into em. they had the brummie reds flag and were always mouthy.
They parked at the other end a few yrs later and put the windows through in the vine. It's amazing how many there were then so god knows the numbers now. Wankers
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Haha, nice to see distance and time have mellowed you out a bit mate!
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I've sat in the home end once. It was against Leicester in the League Cup in 2006/07. It was a real cup tie, they equalised in the 85th minute and the home crowd were full of it. That was horrible but not as bad as when Gabby got the winner with a minute to go in extra time. The away end to my right went mental and it took every piece of self control I had not to do the same. It kind of spoiled what was a cracking game and I vowed afterwards never to sit with the opposition again.
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I've sat in the home end at Highfield Rd before, that was scary, Portman Rd less so.
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I sat in the Stretford end once, we lost and vassell did a overhead kick, I jumped up and no-one did anything, I said to my dad it's probably the only ground you can talk in a brummie accent in the home end and no-one will bat an eye lid
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My neighbour two doors down is a Man U fan and I've just found out he is in the Trinity.
I get on OK with him and know he will keep a low profile.
If I see him there I will run up to him and put my scarf round him screaming at the top of my voice "Quick! Wear this you Fergie lover so you don't get any trouble!"
This extremely funny...
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If it is any consolation my brother and I sat in the home end at Mould Trafford, was going fine and then Julian Joachim equalised and my brother got a little carried away. Thankfully there were only gloryhunters and tourists around us and we felt quite safe.
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I sat in the Gwladys Street End at Goodison Park once, around 1984. We lost 4-0. It was a very depressing experience trying not to look forlorn as their goals went in.
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I sat in the Railway End at the Sty in 1993 for a league cup game.
I had heard about 200 tickets were left with their lot and made my way down. I can remember standing on some pokey little staircase with noses all moaning about the ticket office opening late and because the one person selling them at an office window couldn't find where they put the remaining tickets from the previous day. `Bloody typical, it's always the same down here isnt it?` moaned some nose to me. `Mmm ` I said.
Talk about sitting firmly on your hands when Kevin Richardson scored, I was almost anally fisting myself.
Another time I went with a Leeds supporting mate for a league cup semi final against Forest in the late 1970s and we stood up the back of the Gelderd End. As a neutral I felt safe enough, but what a complete and utter bunch of knuckle dragging boneheads that lot were.
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ALITR: if you look at the footage of that game, there's a Villa fan jumping up and down when Bozzie saved the pen. Fair play to him, dunno how long he lasted after that.
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Utd at home in the 2nd division 74/75 39,000 still have a chipped front tooth.
we,walking up past the bottom of the park, them pouring of a double decker bus from town, us engaging in "pleased to meet you" rituals.
By the way we won 2.0.
Next year, both back in Div 1, 50,000 at V.Park lots of skirmishing before and after but no noticable prescence anywhere near the Holte.
We won again 2-1
Many ( in hindsight) funny stories about trips to Salford, but for another day.
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If I see one near me when i'm watching the game Saturday i'll batter the fecker. Mainly because i'll be watching it at home so it'll mean he's broken in.
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Steamer: first game back in Div 1 we won 3-2.
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Hi percy,
my programe (not memory ,that is a bit fuzzy) says feb 76, 2-1 Mcdonald, Gray. we finished16th in div 1
Next season, 76-77 we beat them 3-2 Mortimer 1 Gray 2. finished 4th in div 1
Why did we stop beating these fuckers on a regular basis ?
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My bad. It was the second one I remember I think. Was that the one where Gray cleared everyone out to head the winner from Graydon's cross?
My mate's dad jumped up and smashed his head on the roof at the back of the old Witton Lane Stand when Gray put that one in. For some reason I thought that was 75/76.
My mate's dad, Ricky Hundley, was my hero. Took us to lots of home and away games and always stuck up for himself and us if anyone looked like giving us any trouble.
Every couple of years the council would paint the garages at the front of the houses in Chelmsley, and as soon as they were dry, Ricky would paint his claret and blue again.
'Fuck the Blues and the council' he'd say.
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ALITR: if you look at the footage of that game, there's a Villa fan jumping up and down when Bozzie saved the pen. Fair play to him, dunno how long he lasted after that.
Your right Percy.One brave soul.&feature=results_video
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My bad. It was the second one I remember I think. Was that the one where Gray cleared everyone out to head the winner from Graydon's cross?
My mate's dad jumped up and smashed his head on the roof at the back of the old Witton Lane Stand when Gray put that one in. For some reason I thought that was 75/76.
My mate's dad, Ricky Hundley, was my hero. Took us to lots of home and away games and always stuck up for himself and us if anyone looked like giving us any trouble.
Every couple of years the council would paint the garages at the front of the houses in Chelmsley, and as soon as they were dry, Ricky would paint his claret and blue again.
'Fuck the Blues and the council' he'd say.
Percy,
I think Andy Gray absolutely knocked the shit out of Jimmy Nicholl for that header you refer to. He was so hungry and determined in the air he was inspiring to teammates and fans alike.
Your dad's mate sounds brilliant!
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My mate's dad Pat. Yeah, he was brilliant. A good role model for the few young kids round our end surrounded by bluenoses. As was Andy Gray!
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Utd at home in the 2nd division 74/75 39,000 still have a chipped front tooth.
If you go in the club shop, there is a picture from those days featuring somebody with a chipped front tooth. Bottom right of Holte End.
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Utd at home in the 2nd division 74/75 39,000 still have a chipped front tooth.
If you go in the club shop, there is a picture from those days featuring somebody with a chipped front tooth. Bottom right of Holte End.
Before the Old Bill knocked them out, one of my front teeth was chipped. A dirty greaser hit me in the mouth with a goldfish bowl at a fair during the eternal battle between Mods and Rockers, Good and Evil, Clean and Dirty etc.
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My bad. It was the second one I remember I think. Was that the one where Gray cleared everyone out to head the winner from Graydon's cross?
My mate's dad jumped up and smashed his head on the roof at the back of the old Witton Lane Stand when Gray put that one in. For some reason I thought that was 75/76.
My mate's dad, Ricky Hundley, was my hero. Took us to lots of home and away games and always stuck up for himself and us if anyone looked like giving us any trouble.
Every couple of years the council would paint the garages at the front of the houses in Chelmsley, and as soon as they were dry, Ricky would paint his claret and blue again.
'Fuck the Blues and the council' he'd say.
If you watch the footage of the return leg at VP, when Paul Twat pushes rico over the advertising hoardings there's some B-losers in the trinity road stand wearing their colours.
Maybe the trinity is amore forgiving place than the sty.
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If you watch the footage of the return leg at VP, when Paul Twat pushes rico over the advertising hoardings there's some B-losers in the trinity road stand wearing their colours.
Paul Tait's hairstyle that night, was a crime against humanity.
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If you watch the footage of the return leg at VP, when Paul Twat pushes rico over the advertising hoardings there's some B-losers in the trinity road stand wearing their colours.
Paul Tait was a crime against humanity.
fixed that for u!
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I had an aunt who used to go Villa home games one week, Blose the next in the 1970s, and she always brought the progammes round for me to look at. Theres a Blose programme, must have been 77/78 ish, the front cover is a close up of blose fans on terracing and right in the middle of the photograph is a Villa fan with his arms crossed and a claret and blue scarf tied round his wrist. Ive still got it somewhere.
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I think anyone in our stands tomorrow wearing one of those half and half scarves should be bitch slapped and then go and find the bloke who sells them and bitch slap him too.
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I know the bloke who sells those half-and-half scarves, we had a bit of a row once when he set up near where me and Legion where selling the fanzine. He's alright really. Villa fan too. And he's no shrinking violet himself. I did get him to fuck off up the road though I think. Remember it Lee?
Anyway, next time he came he asked if it was okay and he was so nice about it I let him off.
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Yes, I remember it.
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Those half-and-half scarves are rubbish. I've bought loads of them but after you cut the half off you don't need they start to unravel and go all raggedy along the one end. I've just thrown them all in a drawer with my 1970s scarves which unravelled and went raggedy at one end from being left out of car windows going to away games in the rain.
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Half and half scarfs are only acceptable for big European games and cup finals.
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Half and half scarfs are only acceptabl for big European games and cup finals.
i agree, and anyone who ever wants something red saying man utd next to their skin is a twat of the highest order. i got shouted down on this topic a couple of years back, but i feel stronger about it than ever. if you are a parent and your child wants one, just say to your kid, 'no you stupid little turd, not on my fucking life!'
then carry on walking towards the ground!
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The saddest half and half scarf ever was for Gillingham v Villa in the FA cup, 3-4 years ago. Bizarrely, a Gillingham chav who spent most of the game exchanging verbals with Villa fans over the divide, took off his scarf and spat on the Villa bit.
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Half and half scarves are an abomination.
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My bad. It was the second one I remember I think. Was that the one where Gray cleared everyone out to head the winner from Graydon's cross?
My mate's dad jumped up and smashed his head on the roof at the back of the old Witton Lane Stand when Gray put that one in. For some reason I thought that was 75/76.
My mate's dad, Ricky Hundley, was my hero. Took us to lots of home and away games and always stuck up for himself and us if anyone looked like giving us any trouble.
Every couple of years the council would paint the garages at the front of the houses in Chelmsley, and as soon as they were dry, Ricky would paint his claret and blue again.
'Fuck the Blues and the council' he'd say.
Percy,
I think Andy Gray absolutely knocked the shit out of Jimmy Nicholl for that header you refer to. He was so hungry and determined in the air he was inspiring to teammates and fans alike.
Your dad's mate sounds brilliant!
Those were the days when the Villa vs Manure game were titantic struggles ... and then Villa would usually win.
I remember them well.
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Half and half scarves are an abomination.
I've got one,
Villa-Bilbao, bought at the best away ever
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Amen to that.
Brummie Reds are a social issue. The product of inept fathering. How can the "man" (loosest terms) look himself in the mirror and know that they're so weak of character that their progeny are a glory hunting genital wart?
They should be shunned like the social lepars they are. Never engaged in any conversation about football.
The best bit of them dripped down the inside of their mothers leg on conception.
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We had half and half scarves against Brighton in the FA Cup at VP a few years ago as well. As unnecessary as they are I suppose they make their money off tourists who are in the country for their first game.
I would have brought one at the 2010 League Cup Final if I'd seen them being sold.
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Amen to that.
Brummie Reds are a social issue. The product of inept fathering. How can the "man" (loosest terms) look himself in the mirror and know that they're so weak of character that their progeny are a glory hunting genital wart?
They should be shunned like the social lepars they are. Never engaged in any conversation about football.
The best bit of them dripped down the inside of their mothers leg on conception.
Brummie Reds - absolutely shameful.
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Glory hunters and indeed Brummie Reds use the term "we" when referring to Newton Heath as if to convey some sort of connection to the club when in truth it's glassy eyed adulation from afar akin to that of a japanese schoolgirl.
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The truth is they're despised by Yanited support from inside the M60, because they bump up the ticket prices.
It will end in tears. Look at the Leeds fan the other week. He was from Cheltenham. The product of a glory hunting father from the 70's.
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The first time I was aware of the Scummy Reds as a collective was when their mediocre miss-mash of team beat us 2-0 in a rescheduled game in the run-in in 1990.
They ran around the terrace to the right of us as we were penned in after the game, to unfurl their shitty flag.
Wankers.
Closet noses the lot of 'em.
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They never did it on the rare occasions they played Small Heath. It's a strange fact of life that the majority of that loathsome bunch always talked down their own city, praised everything Mancunian, yet had "a soft spot" for Small Heath.
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haroon
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My first live United game, can't wait!
I hope this tosser isn't sitting anywhere near me today. >:(
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haroon
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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My first live United game, can't wait!
I hope this tosser isn't sitting anywhere near me today. >:(
So he's been a fan for at least 8 years, doesn't exactly live far away from Manchester and this is first ever game? And they wonder why people take the piss out of their support.
And he's obviously going to be in a home stand. The immature, non sporting part of me is very tempted to say more, the "i'm dead mature these days" part is persuading me not to. Is the immature part totally wrong?
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No. If he is sat anywhere near me I will whack him in the bollocks.
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Have another beer and calm down cheltenhamlion. Don't waste energy on the tossers.
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Half and half scarves are an abomination.
I've got one,
Villa-Bilbao, bought at the best away ever
That was also my best trip ever, their supporters were fantastic, so we reciprocated for the return leg. Absolutely great fans, as opposed to the Madrid tossers!
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The difference in Madrid was that we smashed the place up.
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The difference in Madrid was that we smashed the place up.
Did we? Apart from Fowler's lot having a couple of scuffles in bars what smashing up was there?
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There was a lot of agro the night before the game and a stabbing in the morning of the game.
It was peaceful where we were drinking on the main drag, but I think part of the reason we were so roughly handled by the police was due to the on off trouble Fowlers lot had caused over two days.
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There was a lot of agro the night before the game and a stabbing in the morning of the game.
It was peaceful where we were drinking on the main drag, but I think part of the reason we were so roughly handled by the police was due to the on off trouble Fowlers lot had caused over two days.
It was very iffy once we arrived at the ground, but that was more to police incompetence than anything. Or they had a deliberate plan to take us to the wrong side of the ground and have us stand there as target practice for the locals.
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It was like a kettle wasn't it? Bottles flying over, Villa trying to get at the locals, the police doing their best to inflame the situation by battoning everybody in sight. We were waiting ages to get in.
I have followed us all over Europe and I struggle to recall anything similar really.
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There was a lot of agro the night before the game and a stabbing in the morning of the game.
It was peaceful where we were drinking on the main drag, but I think part of the reason we were so roughly handled by the police was due to the on off trouble Fowlers lot had caused over two days.
It was very iffy once we arrived at the ground, but that was more to police incompetence than anything. Or they had a deliberate plan to take us to the wrong side of the ground and have us stand there as target practice for the locals.
This,had 2 great days with the locals.It was the bar next to the ground where the trouble started.To be fair to the police they got the shields up to stop the rain of bottles.
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The difference in Madrid was that we smashed the place up.
ALl I remember is it was really moody walking to the ground. Locals spitting on us and looking for trouble. Police didn't give a shit.
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I have never seen so many half and fucking half scarves in my life, ever. I'd rather have a genuine Manchester United supporter than some of the "Where's the Holte End?" tossers we get for this match.
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I think half scarves are just about acceptable when you play european teams, I may have an Ajax one from a few years back, can't remember.
Ridiculous to have them for premier league games now but suppose the demand is there from newbie "footy" fans.
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What boiled my piss was the amount of flashes going off in the bottom of the Trinity when Manure was taking a corner.
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Miserable buggers.
Don't you realise this is exactly what we need? Otherwise we won't make any money.
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Well they certainly ticked all the boxes for "biggest bunch of bastards to visit Villa Park so far this season" what ever the result...
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I really hate their fans. That is all.
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Loathesome bunch of c***s of the highest order.
I sometimes wonder if the Villa ever emulated our past glories would we attract an element of wanker support.I doubt it very much. I remember standing on the Holte end as a kid with my younger brother and cousin, on the verge of winning the league only to be told (moaned at !) by alot of older supporters that we were" lucky bastards as they had to watch loads of shit Villa teams in the past.
That's what I love about the Villa, we know we can be great again, and that our support wont be plastic if we ever achieve those dizzy heights again.
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Loathesome bunch of c***s of the highest order.
I sometimes wonder if the Villa ever emulated our past glories would we attract an element of wanker support.I doubt it very much. I remember standing on the Holte end as a kid with my younger brother and cousin, on the verge of winning the league only to be told (moaned at !) by alot of older supporters that we were" lucky bastards as they had to watch loads of shit Villa teams in the past.
That's what I love about the Villa, we know we can be great again, and that our supoort wont be plastic if we ever achieve those dizzy heights again.
It will though. If we get glory we get glory hunters; that's modern football.
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so how many munichs were in our end ? It was going off in the upper holte at one point, few man u fans ended up worse for ware. Tossers
Hate hate that club, always the same with those tossers
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so how many munichs were in our end ? It was going off in the upper holte at one point, few man u fans ended up worse for ware. Tossers
Hate hate that club, always the same with those tossers
And there's no need for that.
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Maybe so, but if you're sitting in the home end, behave appropiately
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Maybe so, but if you're sitting in the home end, behave appropiately
I didn't see any Germans.
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Maybe so, but if you're sitting in the home end, behave appropiately
And the 'M' word is never appropriate anywhere.
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No. If he is sat anywhere near me I will whack him in the bollocks.
Now, now.
You know full well that we're supposed to be 'all fans together'
You must hug and kiss thm.
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Didn't really see any trouble at all tbh, not that many really pissed people either bearing in mind the late KO .
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I heard about some trouble in the upper Holte. Apparently some bloke with his daughter who removed her coat to reaveal a Man U top. Fans around them had words and it ended with the bloke calling Villa fans around him scum and such like. He got a few digs before they were both taken out by stewards
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I heard about some trouble in the upper Holte. Apparently some bloke with his daughter who removed her coat to reaveal a Man U top. Fans around them had words and it ended with the bloke calling Villa fans around him scum and such like. He got a few digs before they were both taken out by stewards
That hardly reflects well on our supporters.
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I heard about some trouble in the upper Holte. Apparently some bloke with his daughter who removed her coat to reaveal a Man U top. Fans around them had words and it ended with the bloke calling Villa fans around him scum and such like. He got a few digs before they were both taken out by stewards
Irresponsible parenting a contributory factor IMO. It shouldn't have happened but that's not the world we live in.
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The upper North was a complete nightmare. Loads of them getting chucked out after each of the first 2 goals. An absolute ****** 3 rows down from me obnoxiously celebrating all their goals and having a go at a Villa fan behind him when told to shut up.. He got away with it presumably because most of the Villa fans sat round him were about 10 years old and none of their parents wanted to cause a scene.
Then on leaving almost a fight between 3 Utd fans and some Villa in the concourse. One of them was a big fat bastard giving it loads. I'm afraid games like this just can't go on general sale, I'd rather watch with 5k empty seats personally. Sure the club loses a bit of cash but what with it being on telly I'm sure this is relatively negligible.
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curious decision to buy tickets in the upper holte tho
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I sometimes wonder if the Villa ever emulated our past glories would we attract an element of wanker support.
Is suggest we've already got an element, just like every other club.
And comments on this thread calling Man U fans 'Munichs' would seem to prove it.
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I heard about some trouble in the upper Holte. Apparently some bloke with his daughter who removed her coat to reaveal a Man U top. Fans around them had words and it ended with the bloke calling Villa fans around him scum and such like. He got a few digs before they were both taken out by stewards
That hardly reflects well on our supporters.
No it doesn't.
It doesn't reflect well on the bloke's common sense or parenting skills either.
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Couple of cockneys were chased out of the witton upper after their 3rd closely followed in pursuit by the OB
Not sure any punches were actually thrown
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its quite simple do as Wigan do and dont sell tickets to anyone for this match without a previous history.
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I heard about some trouble in the upper Holte. Apparently some bloke with his daughter who removed her coat to reaveal a Man U top. Fans around them had words and it ended with the bloke calling Villa fans around him scum and such like. He got a few digs before they were both taken out by stewards
That hardly reflects well on our supporters.
No it doesn't.
It doesn't reflect well on the bloke's common sense or parenting skills either.
It doesn't but anyone who gets upset by the sight of a young girl wearing a football shirt and wants to attack her father isn't someone I'd particularly want supporting my club.
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Irresponsible parenting in my eyes dave.Don't wear the shirt and shut up when sitting amongst opposition fans.
I've had Ure fans sitting next to me at VP before, but they were quiet and respectful, and i've sat at away games in the home enclosure and kept quiet.
Probably a Blooose fan anyway.
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I don't condone supporters getting attacked in any way, but allowing your child to reveal opposition colours in the Holte End is beyond stupid.
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I don't condone supporters getting attacked in any way, but allowing your child to reveal opposition colours in the Holte End is beyond stupid.
It is called "Ignorant, stupid, clueless,taking the piss, arrogance."
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It's pretty sad that our lot would give grief to a young girl, but it's just not that clever to let her wear it and then sit amongst the home fans.
However maybe he thought that we were above all that, and felt that we would take into account her age etc and just respect her choice. If this was the case, it's a shame we let him and her down...
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On a flippant note, I'm wondering why he let her take her coat off. Whilst it wasn't freezing cold, it was hardly warm.
On a more serious note, and bearing in mind my knowledge of the event has been gained from this thread, sounds like the father and his daughter are Sky educated Man Yew fans, and this was probably their first live game. Eat your heart out Miss Marple.
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so how many munichs were in our end ?
Seriously? Wrong website.
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The thing about this fixture is that it attracts supporters to the game for the first time. We all know that wearing a Salford shirt in the Holte won't end well because we've been to matches before and have seen it happen. This bloke and his daughter could well have been at their first (and presumably last) live match.
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The thing about this fixture is that it attracts supporters to the game for the first time. We all know that wearing a Salford shirt in the Holte won't end well because we've been to matches before and have seen it happen. This bloke and his daughter could well have been at their first (and presumably last) live match.
This is my take on events.
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I think you're on the money.
I doubt its arrogance more the idiocy of Sky fan not having the first clue.
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I heard about some trouble in the upper Holte. Apparently some bloke with his daughter who removed her coat to reaveal a Man U top. Fans around them had words and it ended with the bloke calling Villa fans around him scum and such like. He got a few digs before they were both taken out by stewards
That hardly reflects well on our supporters.
No it doesn't.
It doesn't reflect well on the bloke's common sense or parenting skills either.
It doesn't but anyone who gets upset by the sight of a young girl wearing a football shirt and wants to attack her father isn't someone I'd particularly want supporting my club.
Nothing should have happened but doing it there was more of a risk than anywhere else in the ground. It was a very stupid thing to do baring in mind that the chap would have been well aware that the Holte is for home supporters only. To compound the situation with verbals to those around him was even more stupid...taking the "we'll do what we want" a bit far don't you think?
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There are some good dentists in Worcester, he'll be alright.
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I heard about some trouble in the upper Holte. Apparently some bloke with his daughter who removed her coat to reaveal a Man U top. Fans around them had words and it ended with the bloke calling Villa fans around him scum and such like. He got a few digs before they were both taken out by stewards
That hardly reflects well on our supporters.
No it doesn't.
It doesn't reflect well on the bloke's common sense or parenting skills either.
It doesn't but anyone who gets upset by the sight of a young girl wearing a football shirt and wants to attack her father isn't someone I'd particularly want supporting my club.
Nothing should have happened but doing it there was more of a risk than anywhere else in the ground. It was a very stupid thing to do baring in mind that the chap would have been well aware that the Holte is for home supporters only. To compound the situation with verbals to those around him was even more stupid...taking the "we'll do what we want" a bit far don't you think?
As has been said above, it was very likely ignorance and naivety rather than arrogance, and it appeared that he only said anything when someone started on his daughter. As ever with this match, the amount of people who were at either their first game of the season or more likely their first ever has to be seen to be believed. I had one bloke marching a party of kids past me saying "Holte End this way is it?" and someone else with his family asking where the North Stand was. My cheery "Same place it's always been" got the response of "I've never sat in that one before." Work that out.
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Did you manage to sell plenty of 'programmes' though?
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I heard about some trouble in the upper Holte. Apparently some bloke with his daughter who removed her coat to reaveal a Man U top. Fans around them had words and it ended with the bloke calling Villa fans around him scum and such like. He got a few digs before they were both taken out by stewards
That hardly reflects well on our supporters.
No it doesn't.
It doesn't reflect well on the bloke's common sense or parenting skills either.
It doesn't but anyone who gets upset by the sight of a young girl wearing a football shirt and wants to attack her father isn't someone I'd particularly want supporting my club.
Nothing should have happened but doing it there was more of a risk than anywhere else in the ground. It was a very stupid thing to do baring in mind that the chap would have been well aware that the Holte is for home supporters only. To compound the situation with verbals to those around him was even more stupid...taking the "we'll do what we want" a bit far don't you think?
As has been said above, it was very likely ignorance and naivety rather than arrogance, and it appeared that he only said anything when someone started on his daughter. As ever with this match, the amount of people who were at either their first game of the season or more likely their first ever has to be seen to be believed. I had one bloke marching a party of kids past me saying "Holte End this way is it?" and someone else with his family asking where the North Stand was. My cheery "Same place it's always been" got the response of "I've never sat in that one before." Work that out.
If I'm asked for directions during this game I always tell them that the X stand they are looking for is in the same place it is against Wigan. They look really confused!
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so how many munichs were in our end ?
Seriously? Wrong website.
Class
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so how many munichs were in our end ?
Seriously? Wrong website.
Class
I hope you're not tarring me with the same brush as that clueless Neanderthal?
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so how many munichs were in our end ?
Seriously? Wrong website.
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I hope you're not tarring me with the same brush as that clueless Neanderthal?
No fella. You're class
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There are 2 types of opposing fans who do this, the "Daddy n his kids having a family treat" types who should just be ignored, as fairly harmless, if a little naive, and the in your face Gobshite types, these 2 social groups should meet entirely different fates, the latter getting what they deserve.
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A huge kick in the bollocks would suffice !
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As has been said above, it was very likely ignorance and naivety rather than arrogance, and it appeared that he only said anything when someone started on his daughter. As ever with this match, the amount of people who were at either their first game of the season or more likely their first ever has to be seen to be believed. I had one bloke marching a party of kids past me saying "Holte End this way is it?" and someone else with his family asking where the North Stand was. My cheery "Same place it's always been" got the response of "I've never sat in that one before." Work that out.
If I'm asked for directions during this game I always tell them that the X stand they are looking for is in the same place it is against Wigan. They look really confused!
The fella with his daughter in a Man U top was more than just naive - there are notices all over the tickets which would've said that area was for home supporters only, there are signs again over every turnstyle, and anyone over the age of 30 (as it sounds like this bloke was) who hasn't lived in a cave since birth would no about football's past and the reason for segregation.
As for being deliberately obtuse when people ask directions, we moan when the ground isn't full then treat potential new fans with contempt when they come to the ground. Whilst those fans might have been coming to watch Man U, I'd like to think the way we played last night might encourage them to come back when Man U aren't in town. Making them feel completely unwelcome probably won't encourage them to come back.
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When they scored their winner some arse in L8 ran down the stairs and pretty close to the stewards and started jumping around. He knew he was going to be saved by the stewards before he got clobbered, one guy really went for him as he was being dragged away. Part of me hoped the stewards left him to his fate, should'nt take the piss.
Oh, the fans actually in the away end didn't cover themselves in glory. Making childest noises during the minutes silence and doing their level best to antagonise us during the Petrov minute of applause.
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Do they all do it for a dare and then all feedback into some website to brag about their exploits ?" I was in The Holte lower and celebrated the 3rd in wild fashion and survived. Aren't I a legend "
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The guy sat in front of me in Witton Upper was a Utd fan BUT he did everything by the book, for the Petrov minute he stood and applauded, when we scored he politely applauded, when they scored he sat on his hands and kept it shut...textbook supporting the away team from the home seats
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its quite simple do as Wigan do and dont sell tickets to anyone for this match without a previous history.
Why would they turn down ticket sales? They'd probably insist on a booking history if there was any chance of us selling out.
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The other Mancs..bring 'em on!! Bring them on!!!
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its quite simple do as Wigan do and dont sell tickets to anyone for this match without a previous history.
Why would they turn down ticket sales? They'd probably insist on a booking history if there was any chance of us selling out.
Why do they risk crowd problems and pissing off their own fans for the sake of a few grand?
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its quite simple do as Wigan do and dont sell tickets to anyone for this match without a previous history.
Why would they turn down ticket sales? They'd probably insist on a booking history if there was any chance of us selling out.
Indeed. Go back a few years to when we were averaging nearer 40k and games like Man U were booking history only.
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its quite simple do as Wigan do and dont sell tickets to anyone for this match without a previous history.
Why would they turn down ticket sales? They'd probably insist on a booking history if there was any chance of us selling out.
Why do they risk crowd problems and pissing off their own fans for the sake of a few grand?
Because any away fans without common sense who kick up a fuss quickly get kicked out, and it's unlikely any Villa fans will do any more than grumble. If people stopped attending due to away fans in the home end, it might be worth declining sales. But they don't, so the club will keep making it easy to get the tickets.
I'd rather not sit next to Mancs either, but the club is owned by a businessman, not a Villa fan. Free cash isn't to be sneezed at, I guess.
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The guy sat in front of me in Witton Upper was a Utd fan BUT he did everything by the book, for the Petrov minute he stood and applauded, when we scored he politely applauded, when they scored he sat on his hands and kept it shut...textbook supporting the away team from the home seats
Yep I have no problem with this and have sat with home fans a few times at the emirates.
Ironically the Upper Trinity these days more than the North Stand seems to attract away fans for all opposition.
Had a couple of Norwich fans to the left of me the other week who were o.k but got a bit carried away when they scored. There was also a Swansea fan never me who leaped out of his seat when Luke Moore headed straight at Guzan which kind of gave the game away.
Probably the funniest last season was at home to Sunderland. An obvious Sunderland fan who kept getting agitated whenever they missed and then exploded with joy when Bedtner scored....his offside goal.
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its quite simple do as Wigan do and dont sell tickets to anyone for this match without a previous history.
Why would they turn down ticket sales? They'd probably insist on a booking history if there was any chance of us selling out.
Why do they risk crowd problems and pissing off their own fans for the sake of a few grand?
Because any away fans without common sense who kick up a fuss quickly get kicked out, and it's unlikely any Villa fans will do any more than grumble. If people stopped attending due to away fans in the home end, it might be worth declining sales. But they don't, so the club will keep making it easy to get the tickets.
I'd rather not sit next to Mancs either, but the club is owned by a businessman, not a Villa fan. Free cash isn't to be sneezed at, I guess.
Is it free cash though? How many more stewards and police do the club have to pay for because they know there will be away fans in the home ends as they sold tickets to them? How many Villa fans do they potentially lose as they make one of their first visits to VP, see crowd problems and decide not to bother again?
And incidents occur out of sight of stewards or before the stewards get there. We're not Walsall, do we really need a few grand that desperately?
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We do not have a neutral end as they do at Fulham so all the club is inviting to happen is headless chickens to get upset and start a row, the site states home stand tickets are for home fans, if there is any doubt, which most on here can see and at the end of the day a lot of the stewards are home fans, they eject them, club gets money from tickets dickheads get thrown out simple.
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its quite simple do as Wigan do and dont sell tickets to anyone for this match without a previous history.
Why would they turn down ticket sales? They'd probably insist on a booking history if there was any chance of us selling out.
Why do they risk crowd problems and pissing off their own fans for the sake of a few grand?
Because any away fans without common sense who kick up a fuss quickly get kicked out, and it's unlikely any Villa fans will do any more than grumble. If people stopped attending due to away fans in the home end, it might be worth declining sales. But they don't, so the club will keep making it easy to get the tickets.
I'd rather not sit next to Mancs either, but the club is owned by a businessman, not a Villa fan. Free cash isn't to be sneezed at, I guess.
Because we never got away supporters in our stands when Doug was chairman, oh no.
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What's the world coming to when you can't even get away with an unfair petty dig at the chairman.
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Because we never got away supporters in our stands when Doug was chairman, oh no.
Herbert wasn't a Villa fan either - I don't know many Villa fans who would happily be a director at the Blues.
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Because we never got away supporters in our stands when Doug was chairman, oh no.
Herbert wasn't a Villa fan either - I don't know many Villa fans who would happily be a director at the Blues.
But he's always said he is. You don't mean he tells fibs do you?
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Because we never got away supporters in our stands when Doug was chairman, oh no.
Herbert wasn't a Villa fan either - I don't know many Villa fans who would happily be a director at the Blues.
But he's always said he is. You don't mean he tells fibs do you?
Of course not. Why would the person who invented the bicycle kick tell fibs?
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Modesty.
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Because we never got away supporters in our stands when Doug was chairman, oh no.
Herbert wasn't a Villa fan either - I don't know many Villa fans who would happily be a director at the Blues.
I would. A job's a job. Possibly not under the current mob though.
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If they paid me enough I would as well. Admittedly i'd be doing little acts of sabotage while I was there.
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It wasn't a job though. In those days being a football club director probably cost money.
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Millions of away fans in the North Stand Upper was a big problem under Ellis.
Managed to get it under control after 03/03/03.
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Wasn't 030303 the away game?
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Wasn't 030303 the away game?
Not unless i'm missing a very subtle joke or something. 030303 was THAT game at VP.
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No. With old age comes confusion and forgetfulness.
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It wasn't as bad in P8 as I thought it was going to be.Had a laugh with a couple of them over no mans land.They are not all bad,a lot of the time it is down to numbers.
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In the 02/03 in the North Stand Upper it wasn't uncommon for a couple of rows infront to celebrate when the opposition scored.
It was a much bigger problem then than the once ayear Manc plastics.
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Couple of cockneys were chased out of the witton upper after their 3rd closely followed in pursuit by the OB
Not sure any punches were actually thrown
Was one of them bald/shaven headed?
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There really is no life form known to man lower than the Glory Hunter.
If faced with a choice, my kids become Noses or Glory Hunters of any type, I would choose Noses every single time. At least that would display some acknowledgement of the importance of their home city, some kind of link with their team.
As for glory hunters, they're truly revolting, they have no pride, and no shame, and, as soon as I find out they're Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans, their opinions on football are utterly null and void as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if they are the type who stand at the front of the stands taking photos of Rooney or Terry or Suarez as they warm up, if they're the banner toting scum of the likes of the Brummie Reds, or if they're the "sit in the home end and keep your mouth shut" type, they're all equally as bad.
I'm an educated, rational, easy going, non violent pleasant enough person, I don't get angry about a lot of things, and I ususally manage to compartmentalise the role football plays in my state of mind, but one thing that boils my fucking piss is listening to scumbag gloryhunting wankers opine about the game which they have zero right to an opinion about. They have no idea what it is like, they chose the easy, guaranteed success option. They opted for the "guaranteed good times" route. They sold their pride, they are cold hearted, horrible, soulless voids. Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
I see them in the supermarket in their Chelsea shirts, or with their Man United stickers on the back of their cars, I see them in local pubs with their replica shirts on, watching their team on Sky with others of their ilk, and they turn my fucking stomach. I can't help comment on it when I see it, either. It is just so wrong, wrong, wrong. How can people be like that?
They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
I know you coud pull holes in the above rant, that you coudl find inconsistency or hypocrisy, but I don't care, I just hate these people. Hate them.
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Yep. Could.
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Great rant!
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Doug was in front of me at the Sutton Rememberance service today. Looked frail but had his Villa scarf in tbf.
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There really is no life form known to man lower than the Glory Hunter.
If faced with a choice, my kids become Noses or Glory Hunters of any type, I would choose Noses every single time. At least that would display some acknowledgement of the importance of their home city, some kind of link with their team.
As for glory hunters, they're truly revolting, they have no pride, and no shame, and, as soon as I find out they're Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans, their opinions on football are utterly null and void as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if they are the type who stand at the front of the stands taking photos of Rooney or Terry or Suarez as they warm up, if they're the banner toting scum of the likes of the Brummie Reds, or if they're the "sit in the home end and keep your mouth shut" type, they're all equally as bad.
I'm an educated, rational, easy going, non violent pleasant enough person, I don't get angry about a lot of things, and I ususally manage to compartmentalise the role football plays in my state of mind, but one thing that boils my fucking piss is listening to scumbag gloryhunting wankers opine about the game which they have zero right to an opinion about. They have no idea what it is like, they chose the easy, guaranteed success option. They opted for the "guaranteed good times" route. They sold their pride, they are cold hearted, horrible, soulless voids. Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
I see them in the supermarket in their Chelsea shirts, or with their Man United stickers on the back of their cars, I see them in local pubs with their replica shirts on, watching their team on Sky with others of their ilk, and they turn my fucking stomach. I can't help comment on it when I see it, either. It is just so wrong, wrong, wrong. How can people be like that?
They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
I know you coud pull holes in the above rant, that you coudl find inconsistency or hypocrisy, but I don't care, I just hate these people. Hate them.
Outstanding.
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Great rant Paulie. I'm with you all the way. If i'd had kids i'd have preferred they supported small heath rather than become one of the braindead plastics.
More than once when i've been having a conversation with someone i've never met before and football comes up and it turns out they are a plastic i've called them a "plastic glory hunting ******" and just walked away from them. Can't stand them.
Although when i'm a slightly more tolerant mood I have carried on talking to them and amused myself highly by knowing more about 'their' club than they do. I especially like the ones who are too stupid to realise how you are showing them up.
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There really is no life form known to man lower than the Glory Hunter.
If faced with a choice, my kids become Noses or Glory Hunters of any type, I would choose Noses every single time. At least that would display some acknowledgement of the importance of their home city, some kind of link with their team.
As for glory hunters, they're truly revolting, they have no pride, and no shame, and, as soon as I find out they're Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans, their opinions on football are utterly null and void as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if they are the type who stand at the front of the stands taking photos of Rooney or Terry or Suarez as they warm up, if they're the banner toting scum of the likes of the Brummie Reds, or if they're the "sit in the home end and keep your mouth shut" type, they're all equally as bad.
I'm an educated, rational, easy going, non violent pleasant enough person, I don't get angry about a lot of things, and I ususally manage to compartmentalise the role football plays in my state of mind, but one thing that boils my fucking piss is listening to scumbag gloryhunting wankers opine about the game which they have zero right to an opinion about. They have no idea what it is like, they chose the easy, guaranteed success option. They opted for the "guaranteed good times" route. They sold their pride, they are cold hearted, horrible, soulless voids. Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
I see them in the supermarket in their Chelsea shirts, or with their Man United stickers on the back of their cars, I see them in local pubs with their replica shirts on, watching their team on Sky with others of their ilk, and they turn my fucking stomach. I can't help comment on it when I see it, either. It is just so wrong, wrong, wrong. How can people be like that?
They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
I know you coud pull holes in the above rant, that you coudl find inconsistency or hypocrisy, but I don't care, I just hate these people. Hate them.
This rant must be in the "Top Ten Rants Of All Time", infact, that is the best rant i have seen since i have been honoured and accepted as a member on this site. Bloody marvelous. (Sorry for the spelling guys and girls, had a few G&T's this afternoon.) Tiz Sunday after all.
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Brilliant rant Paulie, I completely understand and get so frustrated by friends who support any of those clubs. I wasn't born in Birmingham, but the Villa was bred into through my Grandfather being from Aston and then from there. I never wanted or had any other option than to support Villa and I don't care what league we're in, I couldn't be happier and more proud than to be a Villa fan.
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i feel for these people they will never experience the feelings that I will feel for my club..... their loss
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i feel for these people they will never experience the feelings that I will feel for my club..... there loss
That is because all the plastic fans have no real connection with the club they follow(support).
The reason we are Villa is because we care about our club and support them through good and bad times and we never change. We are Villa, always will be, forever. UTV.
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Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
Splendid, Paulie.
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They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
Brilliant. This bit particularly sums up my view of the glory hunting wankers.
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I won't take my lad to a Villa - Man Utd game. They're arrogant, ignorant, obnoxious, drunken, half wittted morons. There is always trouble, especially with the extra 3 hours of drinking time that their pond life gloryhunting 'fans' get with the 5:30 kick off.
I wouldn't go to this game with my boy if I got a free ticket.
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I won't take my lad to a Villa - Man Utd game. They're arrogant, ignorant, obnoxious, drunken, half wittted morons. There is always trouble, especially with the extra 3 hours of drinking time that their pond life gloryhunting 'fans' get with the 5:30 kick off.
I wouldn't go to this game with my boy if I got a free ticket.
Except there wasn't any trouble, nobody seemed particularly drunk and unless you walked down Witton Lane from the island you wouldn't have seen any more than a handful of them.
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I won't take my lad to a Villa - Man Utd game. They're arrogant, ignorant, obnoxious, drunken, half wittted morons. There is always trouble, especially with the extra 3 hours of drinking time that their pond life gloryhunting 'fans' get with the 5:30 kick off.
I wouldn't go to this game with my boy if I got a free ticket.
Except there wasn't any trouble, nobody seemed particularly drunk and unless you walked down Witton Lane from the island you wouldn't have seen any more than a handful of them.
spot on tho apart from that
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I won't take my lad to a Villa - Man Utd game. They're arrogant, ignorant, obnoxious, drunken, half wittted morons. There is always trouble, especially with the extra 3 hours of drinking time that their pond life gloryhunting 'fans' get with the 5:30 kick off.
I wouldn't go to this game with my boy if I got a free ticket.
Except there wasn't any trouble, nobody seemed particularly drunk and unless you walked down Witton Lane from the island you wouldn't have seen any more than a handful of them.
According to WM police the stats were actually better than last years game:
5 drunk entry refusals compared to 23 last year
1 assault police
1 drunk and disorderly
1 breach of ban
27 away fan ejections during the game
5 home fan ejections during the game
Personally.......I hope they got the morons who disrespected the minutes silence and gave them a proper slap......but i doubt it
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Excellent Paulie. I just did a live performance of your rant in front of an audience in the fag hut at our place. All but the Man Utd and Liverpool fan were impressed, and me frothing at the mouth by the end of it gave it authenticity, not that it lacked any in written form.
The Liverpool fan said 'everybody's entitled to their opinion', to which I repeated, 'No-one cares what you think, you arriviste* scum'.
*wish I knew how to pronounce it - I did my best.
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'No-one cares what you think, you arriviste scum'.
This would make a great new banner to hang from the upper Holte when the plastics are in town !!
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There really is no life form known to man lower than the Glory Hunter.
If faced with a choice, my kids become Noses or Glory Hunters of any type, I would choose Noses every single time. At least that would display some acknowledgement of the importance of their home city, some kind of link with their team.
As for glory hunters, they're truly revolting, they have no pride, and no shame, and, as soon as I find out they're Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans, their opinions on football are utterly null and void as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if they are the type who stand at the front of the stands taking photos of Rooney or Terry or Suarez as they warm up, if they're the banner toting scum of the likes of the Brummie Reds, or if they're the "sit in the home end and keep your mouth shut" type, they're all equally as bad.
I'm an educated, rational, easy going, non violent pleasant enough person, I don't get angry about a lot of things, and I ususally manage to compartmentalise the role football plays in my state of mind, but one thing that boils my fucking piss is listening to scumbag gloryhunting wankers opine about the game which they have zero right to an opinion about. They have no idea what it is like, they chose the easy, guaranteed success option. They opted for the "guaranteed good times" route. They sold their pride, they are cold hearted, horrible, soulless voids. Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
I see them in the supermarket in their Chelsea shirts, or with their Man United stickers on the back of their cars, I see them in local pubs with their replica shirts on, watching their team on Sky with others of their ilk, and they turn my fucking stomach. I can't help comment on it when I see it, either. It is just so wrong, wrong, wrong. How can people be like that?
They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
I know you coud pull holes in the above rant, that you coudl find inconsistency or hypocrisy, but I don't care, I just hate these people. Hate them.
Outstanding.
Bravo Paulie. I couldn't put it better myself. When I lived in Shrewsbury the place was full of these types. Every Saturday there would be groups of them standing outside busstops waiting to catch the coaches to Old Trafford or Anfield. This at a time when the local team was riding high in the league and Telford were virtually all but bankrupt, I will never ever understand the mentality of the glory hunter. Even having moved over here and having the option to go to Ajax I still chose to get a season ticket for my local club who's motto is "at home in your district."
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I won't take my lad to a Villa - Man Utd game. They're arrogant, ignorant, obnoxious, drunken, half wittted morons. There is always trouble, especially with the extra 3 hours of drinking time that their pond life gloryhunting 'fans' get with the 5:30 kick off.
I wouldn't go to this game with my boy if I got a free ticket.
Except there wasn't any trouble, nobody seemed particularly drunk and unless you walked down Witton Lane from the island you wouldn't have seen any more than a handful of them.
According to WM police the stats were actually better than last years game:
5 drunk entry refusals compared to 23 last year
1 assault police
1 drunk and disorderly
1 breach of ban
27 away fan ejections during the game
5 home fan ejections during the game
Personally.......I hope they got the morons who disrespected the minutes silence and gave them a proper slap......but i doubt it
I've just been told that ejections were quite a bit higher than that, but it was agreed that it was pretty quiet for a game against them and their supporters were no worse than ours can be.
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I saw a couple of incidents below me (in K7) but nothing too bad. The last one was when their winner went in but the rumour was that it was a Wolves fan whose accumulator had just come in.
Has anyone else had trouble with them on the way to away games? I've bumped into them a couple of times on the train from Leicester to London and it's never been pleasant. One particularly nice trick is to sit in other people's reserved seats and then threaten them and give out a load of verbal abuse when the real customers try to get their seats. It's usually just me and my girlfriend in Villa colours so they usually try to intimidate us as we walk past as well. Whilst there are exceptions, the vast majority of them that I've met on the way to games have been aresholes of the highest order.
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There really is no life form known to man lower than the Glory Hunter.
If faced with a choice, my kids become Noses or Glory Hunters of any type, I would choose Noses every single time. At least that would display some acknowledgement of the importance of their home city, some kind of link with their team.
As for glory hunters, they're truly revolting, they have no pride, and no shame, and, as soon as I find out they're Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans, their opinions on football are utterly null and void as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if they are the type who stand at the front of the stands taking photos of Rooney or Terry or Suarez as they warm up, if they're the banner toting scum of the likes of the Brummie Reds, or if they're the "sit in the home end and keep your mouth shut" type, they're all equally as bad.
I'm an educated, rational, easy going, non violent pleasant enough person, I don't get angry about a lot of things, and I ususally manage to compartmentalise the role football plays in my state of mind, but one thing that boils my fucking piss is listening to scumbag gloryhunting wankers opine about the game which they have zero right to an opinion about. They have no idea what it is like, they chose the easy, guaranteed success option. They opted for the "guaranteed good times" route. They sold their pride, they are cold hearted, horrible, soulless voids. Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
I see them in the supermarket in their Chelsea shirts, or with their Man United stickers on the back of their cars, I see them in local pubs with their replica shirts on, watching their team on Sky with others of their ilk, and they turn my fucking stomach. I can't help comment on it when I see it, either. It is just so wrong, wrong, wrong. How can people be like that?
They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
I know you coud pull holes in the above rant, that you coudl find inconsistency or hypocrisy, but I don't care, I just hate these people. Hate them.
Fantastic post. And I share your views extremley.
As far as I'm concerned anybody that choses to be a glory hunter doesnt have an opinion. As I tell one of my best friends, who being born in Bradford is a Manchester United gloryhunter.
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I saw a couple of incidents below me (in K7) but nothing too bad. The last one was when their winner went in but the rumour was that it was a Wolves fan whose accumulator had just come in.
Has anyone else had trouble with them on the way to away games? I've bumped into them a couple of times on the train from Leicester to London and it's never been pleasant. One particularly nice trick is to sit in other people's reserved seats and then threaten them and give out a load of verbal abuse when the real customers try to get their seats. It's usually just me and my girlfriend in Villa colours so they usually try to intimidate us as we walk past as well. Whilst there are exceptions, the vast majority of them that I've met on the way to games have been aresholes of the highest order.
My negative views of their fans dates back to the League Cup final. We'd hired a coach and had parked at Neasdon to get to Wembley. Their fans started on the tube train, goading us about their title win and stealing the scarf of a 10 year old traveling with us. Post match a number of our party were attacked by their fans who'd been waiting at the station. Women and kids were attacked as they threw missiles at any Villa fan stepping out of the trains. They were London Reds in this sorry case, but the attitude seems to be inherent with many of their ilk.
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There really is no life form known to man lower than the Glory Hunter.
If faced with a choice, my kids become Noses or Glory Hunters of any type, I would choose Noses every single time. At least that would display some acknowledgement of the importance of their home city, some kind of link with their team.
As for glory hunters, they're truly revolting, they have no pride, and no shame, and, as soon as I find out they're Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans, their opinions on football are utterly null and void as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if they are the type who stand at the front of the stands taking photos of Rooney or Terry or Suarez as they warm up, if they're the banner toting scum of the likes of the Brummie Reds, or if they're the "sit in the home end and keep your mouth shut" type, they're all equally as bad.
I'm an educated, rational, easy going, non violent pleasant enough person, I don't get angry about a lot of things, and I ususally manage to compartmentalise the role football plays in my state of mind, but one thing that boils my fucking piss is listening to scumbag gloryhunting wankers opine about the game which they have zero right to an opinion about. They have no idea what it is like, they chose the easy, guaranteed success option. They opted for the "guaranteed good times" route. They sold their pride, they are cold hearted, horrible, soulless voids. Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
I see them in the supermarket in their Chelsea shirts, or with their Man United stickers on the back of their cars, I see them in local pubs with their replica shirts on, watching their team on Sky with others of their ilk, and they turn my fucking stomach. I can't help comment on it when I see it, either. It is just so wrong, wrong, wrong. How can people be like that?
They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
I know you coud pull holes in the above rant, that you coudl find inconsistency or hypocrisy, but I don't care, I just hate these people. Hate them.
yes great post paulie.
i dont know what happened to me, my Dad does support Man Utd, as does all the rest of my family, the only Villa fans are my own kids who didnt get a choice
whats more we all hail from chesire about 15 miles away from Manchester, so in fairness they have a right
thats what happens when your best mate at school supports Villa, and starts taking you every week,
no regrets
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we had about 6 Korean/Chinese/Japanese lads and lasses (that we had never seen before) near us in Lower Holte L3 and my mate turns to me muttering about bloody Man yoo tourists but when the first Villa goal went in they were jumping around us like loons dripping in Villa gear from head to toe from the club shop.
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we had about 6 Korean/Chinese/Japanese lads and lasses (that we had never seen before) near us in Lower Holte L3 and my mate turns to me muttering about bloody Man yoo tourists but when the first Villa goal went in they were jumping around us like loons dripping in Villa gear from head to toe from the club shop.
Bravo. I hope you congratulated them on their fine choice of football team.
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we had about 6 Korean/Chinese/Japanese lads and lasses (that we had never seen before) near us in Lower Holte L3 and my mate turns to me muttering about bloody Man yoo tourists but when the first Villa goal went in they were jumping around us like loons dripping in Villa gear from head to toe from the club shop.
Bravo. I hope you congratulated them on their fine choice of football team.
lots of smiles as they seem to feel part of the celebrations as our goals went in and their faces when Manyoo fought back were just a miserable as ours.....
UTV
The Doc
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There really is no life form known to man lower than the Glory Hunter.
If faced with a choice, my kids become Noses or Glory Hunters of any type, I would choose Noses every single time. At least that would display some acknowledgement of the importance of their home city, some kind of link with their team.
As for glory hunters, they're truly revolting, they have no pride, and no shame, and, as soon as I find out they're Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans, their opinions on football are utterly null and void as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if they are the type who stand at the front of the stands taking photos of Rooney or Terry or Suarez as they warm up, if they're the banner toting scum of the likes of the Brummie Reds, or if they're the "sit in the home end and keep your mouth shut" type, they're all equally as bad.
I'm an educated, rational, easy going, non violent pleasant enough person, I don't get angry about a lot of things, and I ususally manage to compartmentalise the role football plays in my state of mind, but one thing that boils my fucking piss is listening to scumbag gloryhunting wankers opine about the game which they have zero right to an opinion about. They have no idea what it is like, they chose the easy, guaranteed success option. They opted for the "guaranteed good times" route. They sold their pride, they are cold hearted, horrible, soulless voids. Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
I see them in the supermarket in their Chelsea shirts, or with their Man United stickers on the back of their cars, I see them in local pubs with their replica shirts on, watching their team on Sky with others of their ilk, and they turn my fucking stomach. I can't help comment on it when I see it, either. It is just so wrong, wrong, wrong. How can people be like that?
They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
I know you coud pull holes in the above rant, that you coudl find inconsistency or hypocrisy, but I don't care, I just hate these people. Hate them.
yes great post paulie.
i dont know what happened to me, my Dad does support Man Utd, as does all the rest of my family, the only Villa fans are my own kids who didnt get a choice
whats more we all hail from chesire about 15 miles away from Manchester, so in fairness they have a right
thats what happens when your best mate at school supports Villa, and starts taking you every week,
no regrets
I'm from a similar family where everyone supports United except me and my son obviously Villa and one uncle is a Citeh fan surprising all the Utd fans were born and bred in Manchester. :o
I was born in Sutton and lived in Birmingham all the way through school, I was actually a Utd fan till 11 but I just didn't feel right, going to games with my dad I felt like an outsider, that's when I moved my allegiances to Villa probably due to the fact all my mates were Villa and from the very first time I went to VP I knew I'd made the right choice!
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we had about 6 Korean/Chinese/Japanese lads and lasses (that we had never seen before) near us in Lower Holte L3 and my mate turns to me muttering about bloody Man yoo tourists but when the first Villa goal went in they were jumping around us like loons dripping in Villa gear from head to toe from the club shop.
Bravo. I hope you congratulated them on their fine choice of football team.
I'll take the credit for that one!
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There really is no life form known to man lower than the Glory Hunter.
If faced with a choice, my kids become Noses or Glory Hunters of any type, I would choose Noses every single time. At least that would display some acknowledgement of the importance of their home city, some kind of link with their team.
As for glory hunters, they're truly revolting, they have no pride, and no shame, and, as soon as I find out they're Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans, their opinions on football are utterly null and void as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if they are the type who stand at the front of the stands taking photos of Rooney or Terry or Suarez as they warm up, if they're the banner toting scum of the likes of the Brummie Reds, or if they're the "sit in the home end and keep your mouth shut" type, they're all equally as bad.
I'm an educated, rational, easy going, non violent pleasant enough person, I don't get angry about a lot of things, and I ususally manage to compartmentalise the role football plays in my state of mind, but one thing that boils my fucking piss is listening to scumbag gloryhunting wankers opine about the game which they have zero right to an opinion about. They have no idea what it is like, they chose the easy, guaranteed success option. They opted for the "guaranteed good times" route. They sold their pride, they are cold hearted, horrible, soulless voids. Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
I see them in the supermarket in their Chelsea shirts, or with their Man United stickers on the back of their cars, I see them in local pubs with their replica shirts on, watching their team on Sky with others of their ilk, and they turn my fucking stomach. I can't help comment on it when I see it, either. It is just so wrong, wrong, wrong. How can people be like that?
They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
I know you coud pull holes in the above rant, that you coudl find inconsistency or hypocrisy, but I don't care, I just hate these people. Hate them.
yes great post paulie.
i dont know what happened to me, my Dad does support Man Utd, as does all the rest of my family, the only Villa fans are my own kids who didnt get a choice
whats more we all hail from chesire about 15 miles away from Manchester, so in fairness they have a right
thats what happens when your best mate at school supports Villa, and starts taking you every week,
no regrets
I'm from a similar family where everyone supports United except me and my son obviously Villa and one uncle is a Citeh fan surprising all the Utd fans were born and bred in Manchester. :o
I was born in Sutton and lived in Birmingham all the way through school, I was actually a Utd fan till 11 but I just didn't feel right, going to games with my dad I felt like an outsider, that's when I moved my allegiances to Villa probably due to the fact all my mates were Villa and from the very first time I went to VP I knew I'd made the right choice!
i bet your like us we dont carry a soft spot for them just beacuse all our nearest and dearest support them,
my son actually lives in Manchester now, with his Utd supporting girlfriend, he hates utd with an absolute passion bordering on obssesional, it gets embarressing at family doo's
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There really is no life form known to man lower than the Glory Hunter.
If faced with a choice, my kids become Noses or Glory Hunters of any type, I would choose Noses every single time. At least that would display some acknowledgement of the importance of their home city, some kind of link with their team.
As for glory hunters, they're truly revolting, they have no pride, and no shame, and, as soon as I find out they're Man U or Chelsea or Liverpool fans, their opinions on football are utterly null and void as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if they are the type who stand at the front of the stands taking photos of Rooney or Terry or Suarez as they warm up, if they're the banner toting scum of the likes of the Brummie Reds, or if they're the "sit in the home end and keep your mouth shut" type, they're all equally as bad.
I'm an educated, rational, easy going, non violent pleasant enough person, I don't get angry about a lot of things, and I ususally manage to compartmentalise the role football plays in my state of mind, but one thing that boils my fucking piss is listening to scumbag gloryhunting wankers opine about the game which they have zero right to an opinion about. They have no idea what it is like, they chose the easy, guaranteed success option. They opted for the "guaranteed good times" route. They sold their pride, they are cold hearted, horrible, soulless voids. Nobody cares what you think, you fucking arriviste scum.
I see them in the supermarket in their Chelsea shirts, or with their Man United stickers on the back of their cars, I see them in local pubs with their replica shirts on, watching their team on Sky with others of their ilk, and they turn my fucking stomach. I can't help comment on it when I see it, either. It is just so wrong, wrong, wrong. How can people be like that?
They're all reprehensible scum. I don't care if it is Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, whoever, I don't give a shit about the team, I just fucking hate these people and everything they stand for. They are the absolute worst thing about football.
I know you coud pull holes in the above rant, that you coudl find inconsistency or hypocrisy, but I don't care, I just hate these people. Hate them.
yes great post paulie.
i dont know what happened to me, my Dad does support Man Utd, as does all the rest of my family, the only Villa fans are my own kids who didnt get a choice
whats more we all hail from chesire about 15 miles away from Manchester, so in fairness they have a right
thats what happens when your best mate at school supports Villa, and starts taking you every week,
no regrets
I'm from a similar family where everyone supports United except me and my son obviously Villa and one uncle is a Citeh fan surprising all the Utd fans were born and bred in Manchester. :o
I was born in Sutton and lived in Birmingham all the way through school, I was actually a Utd fan till 11 but I just didn't feel right, going to games with my dad I felt like an outsider, that's when I moved my allegiances to Villa probably due to the fact all my mates were Villa and from the very first time I went to VP I knew I'd made the right choice!
i bet your like us we dont carry a soft spot for them just beacuse all our nearest and dearest support them,
my son actually lives in Manchester now, with his Utd supporting girlfriend, he hates utd with an absolute passion bordering on obssesional, it gets embarressing at family doo's
I don't have a soft spot for them, but don't hate as much the likes of Chelski or Citeh.
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Well done John, sounds like you've done a good job bringing up a fine young man.
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Is that the lad I met down at Wembley John?
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Is that the lad I met down at Wembley John?
Yes mate, that's the one
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we had about 6 Korean/Chinese/Japanese lads and lasses (that we had never seen before) near us in Lower Holte L3 and my mate turns to me muttering about bloody Man yoo tourists but when the first Villa goal went in they were jumping around us like loons dripping in Villa gear from head to toe from the club shop.
Based on Paulie's post above they should have been rounded upon for not supporting Grampus 8 - that is very terrible of me and assumes probably wrongly they would have been born in their forefathers native land.
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And I like Paulie's post.
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Well done John, sounds like you've done a good job bringing up a fine young man.
thanks perc,
he's a nightmare actually, but i try my best
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I saw a couple of incidents below me (in K7) but nothing too bad. The last one was when their winner went in but the rumour was that it was a Wolves fan whose accumulator had just come in.
Has anyone else had trouble with them on the way to away games? I've bumped into them a couple of times on the train from Leicester to London and it's never been pleasant. One particularly nice trick is to sit in other people's reserved seats and then threaten them and give out a load of verbal abuse when the real customers try to get their seats. It's usually just me and my girlfriend in Villa colours so they usually try to intimidate us as we walk past as well. Whilst there are exceptions, the vast majority of them that I've met on the way to games have been aresholes of the highest order.
My negative views of their fans dates back to the League Cup final. We'd hired a coach and had parked at Neasdon to get to Wembley. Their fans started on the tube train, goading us about their title win and stealing the scarf of a 10 year old traveling with us. Post match a number of our party were attacked by their fans who'd been waiting at the station. Women and kids were attacked as they threw missiles at any Villa fan stepping out of the trains. They were London Reds in this sorry case, but the attitude seems to be inherent with many of their ilk.
I had a bit of an episode with some COCKney Reds on the Tube myself at Wembley. On the way back to Kings Cross, after the game I was on a train full of them. There was probably only 2 other Villa fans in the carriage, and also a small Asian guy, who didn't seem to be a football fan. They were giving it the full repertoire of songs, and I stood in silence, as they sang about being the 'Cocks' of The North. Then they decided that it would be oh so hilarious to start singing 'Sh*t On The Villa'. I'm not normally one for losing my temper in public, but it just really got to me. So much so that I told them to, "shut the f*ck up", and asked "why are you singing that? You're not Noses, or even from the Midlands." I'm no hoolie I must add, although I'm a fair sized unit (code for tall and fat), but they all stopped singing it. The small Asian guy to his credit, tried to calm me down. Possibly fearing, I'd get a pasting, but I was beyond caring. I spent to rest of the, in retrospect, thankfully short journey, muttering to myself, as people slowly edged away from me. As I got off the train to change lines, someone with a proper Manc accent, actually come and put his arm around me, and sort of apologised. Fair play to him I suppose.
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As I got off the train to change lines, someone with a proper Manc accent, actually come and put his arm around me, and sort of apologised
probably Man City fan exiled in London....