Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on October 20, 2012, 10:06:38 PM
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We still seem to be having trouble with these and yet again they're costing us points.
I suppose you can say the one at Spurs had an element of luck about it as the Defoe shot was going wide before it hit Caulker.
Today though it wasn't even a good delievery and yet it still somehow snuck through for Chris Fcuking Baird of all players to score.
It's a different manager (not that I think he's any great shakes in organising a defence), a completely different back 4 from last season and we still can't defend them properly and we still don't look that threatening when we have our own corners and free kicks.
Vlaar in fairness seems to be improving every game which is good to see but having a Chris Samba like brickouse monster in there to head away time and again would eradicate this problem I think.
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We're not good at defending or attacking them unfortunately.
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So I posted this months ago after Fulham away....
Seriously WTF is going on. Not just last season when we conceded 15 + but since then we've changed back 4 once again, have a new manager and are now probably even worse.
Going from what our anointed manager said the other day, it appears we mark man for man rather than zonally so dunno if that's an issue. It's not like we have a team of midgets either, Benteke, Clark, Vlaar, Baker all are decent sized.
Oh for another Martin Laursen who didn't care about man on man but just sensed danger and headed the ball away from the box 9 times out of 10. Only defender I can think of who would be ideal for that now would be Chris Samba.
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Seriously, what the fuck do we do. Go, attack the fucking ball and clear the ******. No watching a man. None of that shit. Clear. The. Ball!!
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As great as Laursen was his all action style also led to him making errors and costing us goals. Laursen's balance in the good books massively outweighs any errors he makes so it is naturally to overlook the fact that he did sometimes cost us. That said, I'd take him every day of the fucking week over any of our lot today.
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It's is completely hopeless, and embarrassing.
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I have a theory on this. Not only are we poor at defending set pieces but we are also poor at attacking them too. So in training we they have attackers vs forwards for set pieces, I assume that the defence are not being adequately tested and are therefore not properly prepared against teams that do attack them well.
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We've been shit under the past 3 managers and I just don't get it.
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Seriously, what the fuck do we do. Go, attack the fucking ball and clear the c***. No watching a man. None of that shit. Clear. The. Ball!!
Spot on. Stop over-thinking it and win the first header. Better still, stop conceding soft fucking corner and free kicks down the left.
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I think it's three main things: we generally don't have many players who are good in the air. It's rare we have more than one defender who is and Benteke loses his man. In the MON days wed normally have 3 centre halves plus warnock and either heskey or Carew. Even petrov would fight. Our full backs and midfielders are no use at all defending set pieces
Added to that there's a lack of fight and concentration
The same issues apply in attack plus our delivery is poor
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I think our side is pretty small to be fairness.
or at least not very strong.
how often do we lose possession on the second ball or 50/50 challenges?
and the amount of times we press the self destruct button when
a ball is launched over the top, or into our box..
maybe its a character thing. we shouldn't need eleven giants.
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I also remember the year under Houllier, Young was suddenly instructed not to whip it in under the near post but to float/chip it towards the back post which Bannan continued with. Result, we went two years without scoring from a corner.
Our delievery is shite, Westwood is the only decent set piece taker we have at the club imo.
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Bannan's delivery is good when he whips it in. Lambert has to get the blame though as all he has to do is tell him to stop floating it.
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Can`t score from them, can`t defend them either. we really are a shambles at the moment, forgive me for asking this, but isnt that what the training ground is for?.
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Can`t score from them, can`t defend them either. we really are a shambles at the moment, forgive me for asking this, but isnt that what the training ground is for?.
The problem (as stated elsewhere on here) is during training our inept defenders are practising corners against our inept forwards. Oh add to that the fact the corners in training are being taken by our inept corner takers and I think you'll see the problem.
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After giving it some serious thought I have come to the conclusion that our problems lie with us having shit players and shit coaches.
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...... and Benteke loses his man.
Personally, I'd employ a sniper to bring him down should he encroach within 30 yards of his own penalty area. Does nothing back there other than to lead our defenders to momentarily think, "we're okay, CB's got their big fella", before seeing yet another opposition player power in a free header from the space left by our erstwhile ball-watching centre-forward
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Training won't improve these clowns.
Training consists of Bannan floating overhit corners from one side to the next as Clark and Baker watch them sail over their heads thinking bloody hell we're improving.
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I honestly think that Sid Cowans would do a better job of taking a corner, even at his age than Barry Bannan. Whether he's taking them as directed by the coaches to lob them in at the back post like a golfer dropping a lob wedge onto the green I don't know, but they are woeful. We may as well let the opposition have a goal kick as us have a corner.
£20k a week and can't take a corner... this is why we're in the shit.
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Just thinking about where Sid does fit into this? Does he not have a voice there? If ever there was a person that could offer some insight or assistance on this topic it would be him. I still remember him dropping the ball with consumate ease onto the head of Ormondroyd for Platt to steam on to. It was just so very easy. Now, every corner, ever free kick is a guaranteed wasted opportunity.
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I've just read that we've conceded 67 goals from set pieces in the last two and a half seasons.
Defending corners properly is really not that hard.
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The set piece thing.
post Mon
1) senior pros taking the piss
2) We've been on the back foot a lot over the last 3 years
so have probably conceded more corners/ free kicks/ penalties
due in part to desperate last ditch lunges.
3) We have some real scrawny weedy looking players on our books.
Who get shrugged off easily.
4) Self fulfilling prophecy. we've conceded so many, we actually dread
the damn things, we're half beaten before any bloke puts the ball into our box.
5) Given and Friedal hardly ever leave their goal line.
Not a criticism they never have been that type of goalie.
But as the only players (apart from Suarez) allowed to use their hands,
having big bad Brad coming out to catch a few is a must imo.
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I bet the defenders look good in training when doing corners, they have to defend against players that are shit at attacking them. Answer to the problem is - sign better players.
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Our attacking throw-ins are absolutely woeful as well. Where is the variation in the corners and throw-ins though? Where are the short corner routines if option A isn't working?
Also, not being content with not being able to defend opposition corners, we seemingly can't defend when we've got a corner either. The number of times we have been caught on the break from our own corners and throw-ins in the past few weeks is shocking.
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bump
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What we should do is get every Villa player to stand on the goal line for a corner.
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We are not as bad when Guzan is in goal, Given is the one common denominator
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Seen as we never score from a corner.
Is the only reason Bannan takes them is because he's Gremlin size?