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Title: What's in a name?
Post by: Legion on October 16, 2012, 12:25:09 PM
Aston Villa - perfect in every way (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2949326,00.html)
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: not3bad on October 16, 2012, 12:38:25 PM
Great article!  Cheers!
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: bertlambshank on October 16, 2012, 12:43:03 PM
Bloody hell makes a change to find something good on the OS.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Lambert and Payne on October 16, 2012, 12:57:01 PM
Fantastic article, really hits home how unique our name is when you see other team names.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Virgil Caine on October 16, 2012, 12:58:04 PM
I was born in Villa Road which runs down from the Soho Road to Villa Cross. I was unaware that Aston Villa was the historical name of that junction with Heathfield Road after the manor house which used to be situated there. Interesting article.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 16, 2012, 01:00:21 PM
John Russell wrote in H&V a couple of years ago that the area was so prestigious at one time that estate agents would advertise houses as being "near Aston Villa".
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: 1874 on October 16, 2012, 01:41:25 PM
Good article. The only other club with a unique name that I can think of are Sheffield Wednesday. Always wondered why they are named after a day of the week.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Simon Ward on October 16, 2012, 01:42:11 PM
"It is the most beautifully named football club in the world".
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 16, 2012, 01:43:14 PM
There's just something exceedingly magical about the name - Aston Villa.

This is so true. 
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2012, 01:50:11 PM
Good article. The only other club with a unique name that I can think of are Sheffield Wednesday. Always wondered why they are named after a day of the week.

A cricket team called something like the Wednesday Cricket Club formed the football team. They were called Wednesday as that's the day they played their cricket matches.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 16, 2012, 02:00:26 PM
Good article. The only other club with a unique name that I can think of are Sheffield Wednesday. Always wondered why they are named after a day of the week.

There are around 10 league clubs: Forest, Hotspur, Alexandra, Argyle...I used to know them all when I was a lad.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2012, 02:03:30 PM
Good article. The only other club with a unique name that I can think of are Sheffield Wednesday. Always wondered why they are named after a day of the week.

There are around 10 league clubs: Forest, Hotspur, Alexandra, Argyle...I used to know them all when I was a lad.

Stanley, Palace, Vale, Rangers, Orient, End and erm, i'm stuck now. Oh Dons.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: 1874 on October 16, 2012, 02:05:57 PM
Good article. The only other club with a unique name that I can think of are Sheffield Wednesday. Always wondered why they are named after a day of the week.

A cricket team called something like the Wednesday Cricket Club formed the football team. They were called Wednesday as that's the day they played their cricket matches.
Now I know. Cheers. :)
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 16, 2012, 02:18:06 PM
And before anyone asks, the colours have got nothing to do with Rangers and Hearts.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Colhint on October 16, 2012, 02:20:04 PM
Good article. The only other club with a unique name that I can think of are Sheffield Wednesday. Always wondered why they are named after a day of the week.



A cricket team called something like the Wednesday Cricket Club formed the football team. They were called Wednesday as that's the day they played their cricket matches.
Now I know. Cheers. :)

The reason behind the name was,  they originally started from a bunch of local shopworkers . Who at that time, had half day closing on wednesdays. So the chaps would organise cricket matches. Saturdays were ruled out because they were all working and no one played sport on Sundays
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Astral Weeks on October 16, 2012, 02:37:55 PM
Good article. The only other club with a unique name that I can think of are Sheffield Wednesday. Always wondered why they are named after a day of the week.

A cricket team called something like the Wednesday Cricket Club formed the football team. They were called Wednesday as that's the day they played their cricket matches.
Now I know. Cheers. :)
If I remember correctly, they were founded by lads who worked as shop assistants, who used to get together to play on their afternoon off, Wednesday being early closing day in most towns in those days
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EDIT: Just seen Colhint's post a few minutes before mine. Great minds!
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 16, 2012, 02:44:39 PM
Good article. The only other club with a unique name that I can think of are Sheffield Wednesday. Always wondered why they are named after a day of the week.

There are around 10 league clubs: Forest, Hotspur, Alexandra, Argyle...I used to know them all when I was a lad.

Stanley, Palace, Vale, Rangers, Orient, End and erm, i'm stuck now. Oh Dons.

Heath?
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: amfy on October 16, 2012, 02:52:10 PM
I am duty bound to add 'north end'.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2012, 02:55:59 PM
It is always something I cherish about being a Villa fan, that we have a unique name next to all the Uniteds, Cities, Rovers etc.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 16, 2012, 02:57:09 PM
I feel duty bound to remove Palace.

It's just the second word of a two-worded place name. Like Small Heath.

This is the pedants' thread?
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: 1874 on October 16, 2012, 03:03:43 PM
Rushden & Diamonds is another club name I like. Mainly because it has the word 'diamonds' in it. Arsenal isn't too bad either. Although I think they ended up with it by omitting 'Woolwich' from their name when they moved from south of the river.   
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Nev on October 16, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
Rushden & Diamonds is another club name I like. Mainly because it has the word 'diamonds' in it. Arsenal isn't too bad either. Although I think they ended up with it by omitting 'Woolwich' from their name when they moved from south of the river.   

Yes Arsenal were known as "Woolwich" Arsenal and of course "Boring Arsenal" and "Lucky Arsenal" but seem now to have settled on "Fuckin' Arsenal".
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 16, 2012, 03:09:57 PM
I love the fact that there's a Woolwich Arsenal station in South East London and an Emirates station in East London.

The thought of all those Arsenal soccer tourists going to the wrong train station brings out the child in me .
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: ian c. on October 16, 2012, 03:30:01 PM
I recall hearing an interview with the legendary German commentator Rudi Michel (he did the commentary for the 1954 "Wunder von Bern" WC Final) where he professed a love of Aston Villa and Arsenal, in part due to the names.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: darren woolley on October 16, 2012, 03:37:42 PM
It's the greatest name in football and I'm glad it's us who's got the name Aston Villa.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Stu on October 16, 2012, 03:39:53 PM
The reason behind the name was,  they originally started from a bunch of local shopworkers . Who at that time, had half day closing on wednesdays. So the chaps would organise cricket matches. Saturdays were ruled out because they were all working and no one played sport on Sundays

Who did they play against then?
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2012, 03:50:02 PM
The reason behind the name was,  they originally started from a bunch of local shopworkers . Who at that time, had half day closing on wednesdays. So the chaps would organise cricket matches. Saturdays were ruled out because they were all working and no one played sport on Sundays

Who did they play against then?

A bit more info about them here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wednesday_Cricket_Club 
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Colhint on October 16, 2012, 03:51:25 PM
The reason behind the name was,  they originally started from a bunch of local shopworkers . Who at that time, had half day closing on wednesdays. So the chaps would organise cricket matches. Saturdays were ruled out because they were all working and no one played sport on Sundays

Who did they play against then?

other shopkeepers
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: WarszaVillan on October 16, 2012, 04:25:03 PM
Heart of Midlothian is a great name
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2012, 04:26:20 PM
Deportivo Wanka is even better.

Who wouldn't want one of these?

(http://orders.mkn.co.uk/mime/footballshirt/tracksuit/wanka.jpg)
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: 1874 on October 16, 2012, 04:41:11 PM
Young Boys is one that I don't think I'll get my head around. A youth team who evolved into a professional team?
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: The Left Side on October 16, 2012, 06:01:26 PM
A perfect name, everytime I think I hear it or read and article that mentions us I have to stop and pay it attention.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Fasth56 on October 16, 2012, 09:33:42 PM
With such a unique name when you scanned the sports pages for something to read Aston Villa would always stand out. Unfortunately we now have Andre Villas Boas and when scanning you pick that up as well.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: 1874 on October 16, 2012, 09:41:15 PM
With such a unique name when you scanned the sports pages for something to read Aston Villa would always stand out. Unfortunately we now have Andre Villas Boas and when scanning you pick that up as well.
Not to mention David Villa.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: curiousorange on October 16, 2012, 09:43:59 PM
One of the things I love about it is how even the shortened version trips off the tongue: 'I'm off up the Villa' etc. Aston Villa - four syllables of perfection.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 16, 2012, 10:41:42 PM
I feel duty bound to remove Palace.

It's just the second word of a two-worded place name. Like Small Heath.

This is the pedants' thread?

Isn't Villa the second word of a two-worded place name?
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: 1874 on October 16, 2012, 11:11:22 PM
Had Small Heath kept their original name am I correct in assuming they would be the only 'Alliance'?
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: The Left Side on October 16, 2012, 11:15:19 PM
They are sheep, they went back on a decision to not take the name of the city... i'm glad they are who they are and what they have achieved.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 16, 2012, 11:20:31 PM
They are sheep, they went back on a decision to not take the name of the city... i'm glad they are who they are and what they have achieved.

No they didn't.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on October 17, 2012, 12:52:04 AM
Had Small Heath kept their original name am I correct in assuming they would be the only 'Alliance'?

The only other one I can think of is the now defunct Brierley Hill Alliance.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: The Left Side on October 17, 2012, 05:33:28 PM
They are sheep, they went back on a decision to not take the name of the city... i'm glad they are who they are and what they have achieved.

No they didn't.

so why did they change their name, is that just a myth that their was an agreement between the clubs?
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 17, 2012, 07:19:05 PM
They are sheep, they went back on a decision to not take the name of the city... i'm glad they are who they are and what they have achieved.

No they didn't.

so why did they change their name, is that just a myth that their was an agreement between the clubs?

I don't know why they changed their name but the story was never mentioned until recently. Prior historians such as Peter Morris never wrote about it.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 17, 2012, 08:45:56 PM
Due to boundary changes, for a relatively short time they were the only professional club in Brum (I think it was 1903 to 1911). They changed their name in 1905, so maybe that had something to do with it.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: DeKuip on October 18, 2012, 01:02:08 AM
Had Small Heath kept their original name am I correct in assuming they would be the only 'Alliance'?
Had Oldham kept their original name we wouldn't be the only Villa
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: 1874 on October 18, 2012, 01:08:57 AM
Had Small Heath kept their original name am I correct in assuming they would be the only 'Alliance'?
Had Oldham kept their original name we wouldn't be the only Villa
Good job they did then.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 18, 2012, 09:21:03 PM
Young Boys is one that I don't think I'll get my head around. A youth team who evolved into a professional team?

Michael Jackson was their most high profile celebrity fan.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: 1874 on October 18, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
Young Boys is one that I don't think I'll get my head around. A youth team who evolved into a professional team?

Michael Jackson was their most high profile celebrity fan.
Ha! Fulham must be jealous.
Title: Re: What's in a name?
Post by: Hopadop on October 19, 2012, 10:07:16 PM
Deportivo Wanka is even better.

Who wouldn't want one of these?

(http://orders.mkn.co.uk/mime/footballshirt/tracksuit/wanka.jpg)

We went trekking in the Andes a few years ago, and ended up in Huancayo. We tried to take in a Los Wankeros game but after driving round for a bit the taxi driver admitted defeat. Turns out the team had moved to play their games a few thousand metres higher in the Andes to try to gain themselves a cunning advantage. Even higher than The Hawthorns apparently.
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