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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on September 30, 2012, 08:00:21 PM
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I was approached after the game today by an extremely angry Villa fan and his equally annoyed (I assume) girlfriend. He went on at length about being ejected from the Upper North Stand after singing and celebrating our equaliser. He was insistent that I added this incident to H&V for discussion.
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Supporting your team is not a crime!
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It's best to tell them to make a complaint through the proper channels.
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It's best to tell them to make a complaint through the proper channels.
I did, but he also asked for it to be mentioned here.
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Ejected for nothing?
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
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He was insistent that I added this incident to H&V for discussion.
It's pretty difficult to discuss it without knowing the context or reasons.
If, as he says he was ejected for "singing and celebrating our equaliser" then I'd agree that it's dreadful. But having seen countless thousands of fans "singing and celebrating" in the past, I'd be pretty surprised if the stewards involved would give that as their reason for his ejection.
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
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It's best to tell them to make a complaint through the proper channels.
I did, but he also asked for it to be mentioned here.
Could he not do it himself?
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The mile high club ...does not fit the Holte
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Poor middle aged lady by us in the Upper Holte got flattened when we scored, if by any chance she comes on here then I hope your ok.
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
No more half-time pints when I'm back? Where's P8?
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
No more half-time pints when I'm back? Where's P8?
Next to away fans in Upper DE stand.
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
No more half-time pints when I'm back? Where's P8?
Next to away fans in Upper DE stand.
WL.
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
No more half-time pints when I'm back? Where's P8?
Next to away fans in Upper DE stand.
Witton Lane, please.
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It's best to tell them to make a complaint through the proper channels.
I did, but he also asked for it to be mentioned here.
Could he not do it himself?
Exactly - if Blues fans can master the internet I'm surprised he asked Legion to post it for him.
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
No more half-time pints when I'm back? Where's P8?
Witton Lane. Let me know when you're back and I'll relocate for those matches.
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It's best to tell them to make a complaint through the proper channels.
I did, but he also asked for it to be mentioned here.
Could he not do it himself?
Exactly - if Blues fans can master the internet I'm surprised he asked Legion to post it for him.
Well he did.
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It's best to tell them to make a complaint through the proper channels.
I did, but he also asked for it to be mentioned here.
Could he not do it himself?
Exactly - if Blues fans can master the internet I'm surprised he asked Legion to post it for him.
Well he did.
I suppose you'd jump in the canal if he asked you to?
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It's best to tell them to make a complaint through the proper channels.
I did, but he also asked for it to be mentioned here.
Could he not do it himself?
Exactly - if Blues fans can master the internet I'm surprised he asked Legion to post it for him.
Well he did.
I'm not doubting you - just seems an odd/lazy request.
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It's best to tell them to make a complaint through the proper channels.
I did, but he also asked for it to be mentioned here.
Could he not do it himself?
Exactly - if Blues fans can master the internet I'm surprised he asked Legion to post it for him.
Well he did.
I suppose you'd jump in the canal if he asked you to?
Probably.
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It's best to tell them to make a complaint through the proper channels.
I did, but he also asked for it to be mentioned here.
Could he not do it himself?
Exactly - if Blues fans can master the internet I'm surprised he asked Legion to post it for him.
Well he did.
I'm not doubting you - just seems an odd/lazy request.
True.
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
No more half-time pints when I'm back? Where's P8?
Next to away fans in Upper DE stand.
Witton Lane, please.
Apologies!
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
No more half-time pints when I'm back? Where's P8?
Next to away fans in Upper DE stand.
Witton Lane, please.
Apologies!
Off to the naughty step.
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
No more half-time pints when I'm back? Where's P8?
Next to away fans in Upper DE stand.
Witton Lane, please.
Apologies!
Off to the naughty step.
I'm there already.
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If it was upper north they may have got kicked out for gesturing or bad language as It's a family stand
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Like the rest of the posters here, I don't know what actually happened, which makes me perfectly qualified to comment ;)
In my experience, the more people jump up and down [metaphorically that is], and seek validation from as many people as possible that they're the victim, the more interested I am in hearing the other person's version of events.
During the course of my work I've carried out a number of grievance/disciplinary investigations. It's surprising how many innocent victims who put in grievances against their colleagues/managers are subsequently found to have been less than stellar employees.
As an aside, I witnessed some twattish behaviour in the ground today that just left me feeling embarrassed.
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As an aside, I witnessed some twattish behaviour in the ground today that just left me feeling embarrassed.
This is the first time in a good few years that this fixture hasn't been a lunchtime kick off. Maybe some of the reports of fan trouble will mean it's back to a lunchtime kickoff next season.
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I think the question here is "How did he/they celebrate the equalizer".
Flicking V's and shouting a load of foul mouthed abuse at the away support could be what got them chucked out.
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Like what Lizz?
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As an aside, I witnessed some twattish behaviour in the ground today that just left me feeling embarrassed.
This is the first time in a good few years that this fixture hasn't been a lunchtime kick off. Maybe some of the reports of fan trouble will mean it's back to a lunchtime kickoff next season.
It's usually 3pm it was for both games last year
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There was some trouble outside the Witton Lane stand after the game.
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Apparently a few coins were thrown and a firework
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Yes, it was great in P8 when we scored. Thankfully that seat surfer from the Swansea game wasn't flying about.
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Like what Lizz?
I'm trying to erase it from my memory, but basically, along the lines of 'I'm a real hard man me' [as long as my victim is smaller, on their own and I have an appreciate audience]. Not the first time I've witnessed that kind of behaviour though, and not just at football matches either. C'est la vie.
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There are 2 sides to a story. I'd like to hear the Stewards version as if it were for singing & celebrating after a goal then most of the crowd would be vunerable for ejection??
Exactly. I now sit in P8 and we all went berzerk.
No more half-time pints when I'm back? Where's P8?
Witton Lane. Let me know when you're back and I'll relocate for those matches.
i'll be at fulham (missus and babby due on the 14th permitting) and Norwich on the 27th. Haven't checked fixtures after that.
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Like what Lizz?
I'm trying to erase it from my memory, but basically, along the lines of 'I'm a real hard man me' [as long as my victim is smaller, on their own and I have an appreciate audience]. Not the first time I've witnessed that kind of behaviour though, and not just at football matches either. C'est la vie.
There are always idiots Lizz, shame
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I sit in upper Witton End about half way up right in the centre. I noticed today that there were a couple of people about 10 rows above us to the right who insisted on singing all through the game and mostly did this whilst standing up. They appeared to have spent sometime preparing for the game in a local brewery. I wonder not having seen the ejection event if these were the people who me and few others also found annoying. They were singing the classic S oTA!
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Hard to say anything without properly hearing even one side of the story, never mind both sides.
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Violence erupted as rival fans squared up after the drawn local derby between Aston Villa and West Bromwich Albion.
West Midlands Police tweeted from Villa Park that fireworks were hurled at spectators after the 1-1 stalemate this afternoon.
Officers posted on @WMPVillaFC: "A minority of fans came together and flares were thrown into the crowd. Two have been arrested on sus (suspicion) of violent disorder."
Police also tweeted that a Villa fan was arrested for throwing coins at visiting supporters.
Meanwhile, one Villa supporter Mat posted on Twitter that trouble had also started outside the Doug Ellis Stand after the game, claiming that police had used batons to quell the disturbance.
Officers would continue to monitor pubs near the stadium for several hours, West Midlands Police added.
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Didn't see any trouble of any sorts after the game, but it doesn't surprise me that much; the atmosphere was quite hostile at times. I'd also like to add that I thoroughly enjoyed going berserk in the Holte when Bent scored, one of the better moments this season.
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Like what Lizz?
I'm trying to erase it from my memory, but basically, along the lines of 'I'm a real hard man me' [as long as my victim is smaller, on their own and I have an appreciate audience]. Not the first time I've witnessed that kind of behaviour though, and not just at football matches either. C'est la vie.
There are always idiots Lizz, shame
Unfortunately there are. Was sitting in the lower North Stand today and heard some pretty bad stuff shouted at the disabled Albion fans sat in the Trinity Road. Two lads at the front of the section I was sitting in were threatened with ejection for the gesticulations they were making, so maybe the stewards had been instructed to clamp down on that kind of behaviour.
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Like what Lizz?
I'm trying to erase it from my memory, but basically, along the lines of 'I'm a real hard man me' [as long as my victim is smaller, on their own and I have an appreciate audience]. Not the first time I've witnessed that kind of behaviour though, and not just at football matches either. C'est la vie.
There are always idiots Lizz, shame
Unfortunately there are. Was sitting in the lower North Stand today and heard some pretty bad stuff shouted at the disabled Albion fans sat in the Trinity Road. Two lads at the front of the section I was sitting in were threatened with ejection for the gesticulations they were making, so maybe the stewards had been instructed to clamp down on that kind of behaviour.
I saw those morons shouting abuse in direction of the disabled fans as I was sat in the family enclosure down by the corner flag. What didn't help the situation either was the disabled persons helper was stood up 'giving it the big un' making hand gestures to the Villa fans. Of course that doesn't mean our morons should react the way they did, but their moron should have considered the fact he was in the family area with young kids about.
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Like what Lizz?
I'm trying to erase it from my memory, but basically, along the lines of 'I'm a real hard man me' [as long as my victim is smaller, on their own and I have an appreciate audience]. Not the first time I've witnessed that kind of behaviour though, and not just at football matches either. C'est la vie.
There are always idiots Lizz, shame
Unfortunately there are. Was sitting in the lower North Stand today and heard some pretty bad stuff shouted at the disabled Albion fans sat in the Trinity Road. Two lads at the front of the section I was sitting in were threatened with ejection for the gesticulations they were making, so maybe the stewards had been instructed to clamp down on that kind of behaviour.
I saw those morons shouting abuse in direction of the disabled fans as I was sat in the family enclosure down by the corner flag. What didn't help the situation either was the disabled persons helper was stood up 'giving it the big un' making hand gestures to the Villa fans. Of course that doesn't mean our morons should react the way they did, but their moron should have considered the fact he was in the family area with young kids about.
Didn't see the helper doing that and agree that he shouldn't be doing that, but some of the shouts that were directed specifically at the disabed fans were way out of order.
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who insisted on singing all through the game
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Is that a bad thing aftab?
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Didn't see any trouble of any sorts after the game, but it doesn't surprise me that much; the atmosphere was quite hostile at times. I'd also like to add that I thoroughly enjoyed going berserk in the Holte when Bent scored, one of the better moments this season.
We went a bit mad in the upper Witton.
I am right by the away fans and it was fantastic to celebrate right next to them.
They were a bunch of inbreds though, and the Police were really having a go at anyone who was giving it 'large'
One of there muppets was really going for it, shouting and foaming at the mouth acting like he was some big time holligan, right up intil the Police man shouted at him to shut it, at which point self styled big man turned into a mouse and simply went back to his seat and said "ok, sorry officer" in a rather quite mouse like voice
Made me smile
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Some of the holier than thou comments make me laugh. It's a fuckin local derby for christs sake. All week everyone has been writing how much the Baggies hate us. Thank fuck we fans made it fairly hostile.. A guy at work last night hadn't been down for over 4 years and was amazed at the passion in the ground. In all 'incidents' mentioned no one was actually injured.
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Two WBA fans in the holte yesterday. One looked completely hammered, watching the game on tv's by the food kiosks. Started celebrating when they scored. Stewards had to hold back our fans as police got rid of the two baggies fans.
I don't understand it. If you're going to be in the away area, is it really that hard to keep your mouth shut and just have a little grin on your face instead of having to go crazy when you score??
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Some of the holier than thou comments make me laugh. It's a fuckin local derby for christs sake. All week everyone has been writing how much the Baggies hate us. Thank fuck we fans made it fairly hostile.. A guy at work last night hadn't been down for over 4 years and was amazed at the passion in the ground. In all 'incidents' mentioned no one was actually injured.
This is fine, but I've never understood why people feel the need to 'celebrate' a Villa goal by turning to the opposition fans and calling them all sorts of ******! Why?
When Villa score just about the last people I care about are the opposition fans.
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I heard a few mentions of there being some trouble as I was walking past the Witton after the game but I didn't see anything.
On a slightly different note, if whinging was an offense punishable by ejection the bloke sitting next to me would have been thrown out in the first 10 minutes.
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I heard a few mentions of there being some trouble as I was walking past the Witton after the game but I didn't see anything.
Seemed to me like a flare or firework was thrown into the Boggy fans (but I can't be sure who actually threw it) then it was just handbags between two sets of twats.
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I've always thought that H&V could be improved with a "Dear Deidre" section.
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I dont want to sound all sanctimonious but the biggest problem with ejections from the ground is that the majority of fans dont know what the rules are and as such feel very pissed off when it happens to them and they think they have done nothing wrong.
It only takes an instant to stick your fingers up, make insulting comments, threatening gestures that by the individual are forgotten almost as quick as they happen yet are picked up by cameras that are everywhere and are being watched constantly by a battalion of trained police / stewards / fire officers etc.
I am sure that there are some in nocent parties wrongly accused / ejected from the stadium but in the vast majority of cases the "victims" are not as innocent as they think they are.
There are signs all around the stadium identifying what is Civil law / rules and what are FA / Football stadia rules - take a minute and read them it would make a few take notice of their behaviour inside the ground
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who insisted on singing all through the game
Is that a bad thing aftab?
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No it's not but when you are in a "family" area and its ad nauseam splurt of "shit on the baggies" it's bad! Supporting songs of encouragement are most welcomed.
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Some of the holier than thou comments make me laugh. It's a fuckin local derby for christs sake. All week everyone has been writing how much the Baggies hate us. Thank fuck we fans made it fairly hostile.. A guy at work last night hadn't been down for over 4 years and was amazed at the passion in the ground. In all 'incidents' mentioned no one was actually injured.
This is fine, but I've never understood why people feel the need to 'celebrate' a Villa goal by turning to the opposition fans and calling them all sorts of c***s! Why?
When Villa score just about the last people I care about are the opposition fans.
Spot on Dave. I don't even notice what our own players are doing when we score, never mind away fans. For a few brief seconds, nothing else in the world can touch me.
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who insisted on singing all through the game
Is that a bad thing aftab?
No it's not but when you are in a "family" area and its ad nauseam splurt of "shit on the baggies" it's bad! Supporting songs of encouragement are most welcomed.
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Aha, I am with you
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the fella that sat next to me on sunday was particuly agressive, shouting swearing and generaly foaming at the mouth in a very ugly fashion as the game went on, it was embarrasing to be honest,
there were young kids around to, who could have easily heard what was going on, and when we scored he acted like a complete nutter,
if i'm honest and i'm a bit ashamed to say this, but i was hoping someone was going to come along and throw him out. but it never happened
by the way i watched the match on the telly at home with my eldest lad
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Very good, John.
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Yes, it was great in P8 when we scored. Thankfully that seat surfer from the Swansea game wasn't flying about.
He was there and very subdued person was he. I think his mates words have got to him. well done to them and well done to him for taking the advice on board.
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the fella that sat next to me on sunday was particuly agressive, shouting swearing and generaly foaming at the mouth in a very ugly fashion as the game went on, it was embarrasing to be honest,
there were young kids around to, who could have easily heard what was going on, and when we scored he acted like a complete nutter,
if i'm honest and i'm a bit ashamed to say this, but i was hoping someone was going to come along and throw him out. but it never happened
by the way i watched the match on the telly at home with my eldest lad
Very good:-)
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Yes, excellent John e.
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Very good john, I was reading hoping you wasn't sat in my block.