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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Steve R on September 17, 2012, 06:56:07 AM
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... deserves his own thread.
As a right back I assume he is right footed. In which case his strike against Swansea was with his 'wrong' foot and therefore even better than it looked.
I haven't seen this mentioned anywheres, apologies if it has.
He was born in Chesterfield almost 14 years to the day after I was married there. I take this as a positive sign and am now convinced he is a better player than Kyle Walker.
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Very pleased and impressed with him so far- has settled in well and looks a great asset.
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He looks very calm in posession. He defended well against newcastle.
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I heard that Sheffield United rated him higher than Walker
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really like him. very impressive in first 4 games. i like the fact that our full backs are receiving the ball just in the oppositions half instead of 5 yards outside our 18 yard line. he looks very comfortable defending and attacking. great bit of business.
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Looks a very good signing and has got better with each game. All credit to him because he has done very little wrong in the games I've seen him play in. Its also good that he's another of the players that look genuinely thrilled to be playing for us and works really hard for the team.
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His performance has been almost flawless for the past few games, especially Saturday. And some websites have Maicon as right-back in their team of the week.
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Was impressed with him from the first game at west ham. KEA and Vlaar have both looked good and Benteke scored on his debut but I reckon Lowton could turn out to be Lambert's most astute buy of the season. I might be getting ahead of myself but he looks like a very good modern full back.
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Impressive young man. Looks comfortable at this level, composed, unfazed and motivated. You can't really ask for much more at this stage.
Great bit of business.
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He seems to be involved in an awful lot of what we do - he must be right up there in terms of touches of the ball per match.
Impressed so far. He doesn't look remotely out of place at this level, in fact, he looks very comfortable.
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Agree with all these posts, would also add that for our system to work we need full backs with an unbelievable engine, he was still going strong getting into the opponents box right at the end of the game.
Looks to have his head screwed on, future skipper.
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His performance has been almost flawless for the past few games, especially Saturday. And some websites have Maicon as right-back in their team of the week.
lets keep it this way and let us keep up these improving performances out of the press headlines
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I heard that Sheffield United rated him higher than Walker
That doesn't surprise me.
I liked Walker, but, every game he was always prone to making 1 or 2 real howlers, his pace always seemed to enable him to recover.
I'm not saying Lowton doesn't make mistakes, but, he doesn't make big, howler type mistakes.
I think this lad could very well break into the England set up. Personally I hope not ;)
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He effortlessly seems to glide past players. If he can maintain his form then he will be a major asset, the reality is he will probably improve as he gets more premiership experience.
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I look forward to seeing Bennett. If he can offer on the left what Lowton offers on the right, we will be even better. Incidentally how was Lichaj on Saturday? I've been in hospital since Thursday so I haven't seen any extended highlights.
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Paulie hit on the main thing, he has'nt looked out of place at all. He's going to have a dodgy game or two sooner or later and that's to be expected but so far so good.
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I look forward to seeing Bennett. If he can offer on the left what Lowton offers on the right, we will be even better. Incidentally how was Lichaj on Saturday? I've been in hospital since Thursday so I haven't seen any extended highlights.
Licaj was solid, 6.5 out of ten for me, maybe a 7 as he did one run where he cut in from the byline.
I do agree that a more “winger” style LB would help the balance of the team, hopefully Bennet is that man. Due to how narrow our midfield is, I think the FBs need to have the ability to take people on down the outside so the opposition defence is stretch a bit more.
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He looks a really good player I'm glad we have got him he can only get better.
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A good friend of mine has a season ticket at Sheffield United and was really pissed off when we signed him, which can only be a good thing. He reminds me a bit of Luke Young, but better.
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Lichaj is a reliable backup. Bennett and Lowton will be very good full backs for us.
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Lichaj is a reliable backup. Bennett and Lowton will be very good full backs for us.
Speaking of bennett, why hasn't he played yet?
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Lichaj is a reliable backup. Bennett and Lowton will be very good full backs for us.
Speaking of bennett, why hasn't he played yet?
Bennett was injured for the Newcastle game and PL must have thought Lichaj was doing well enough not to be subbed on Saturday.
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Lichaj is a good fullback, and the perfect sub. He can play all across the defence, and as a fullback his long throw is a useful weapon.
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As someone who saw Sheffield United more than the Villa last year I'd say he was a good solid right back. He doesn't do anything fancy (apart from that great strike on Saturday) but is totally reliable.
The in-laws are season ticket holders at Blades and they were disappointed he went but felt that he deserved to be going up to the championship and were a little surprised we went for him.
Our manager seems to be able to pick 'em that's for sure.
I've always thought a good full back is a player you don't really notice often; they don't have much glory attached to their role.
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Hopefully another Mark Delaney. A player from the lower divisions who makes the step up and gives solid reliable service.
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Hopefully another Mark Delaney. A player from the lower divisions who makes the step up and gives solid reliable service.
Agree with the Delaney reference, can see a lot of similarities, think he may be even better though
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Statistically, full-backs get more possession than anyone but centre-mids. So it's vital to have a couple of good footballers there. Defensively, they don't need to be hard, or great tacklers any more, it's more about staying on your feet, a bit of pace and blocking crosses.
Lowton seems ideal so far by these criteria.
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Additionally, Lambert expects them to do a job at both ends. As someone else mentioned, he looks like he has the stamina for such a demanding role too.
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I always read 'hungry' players that Lambert mentioned to mean they wanted it. To 'want' it you also have to have a good level of stamina or 'engine' in football parlance.
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Lowton for England. ;-)
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Lichaj is a reliable backup. Bennett and Lowton will be very good full backs for us.
Speaking of bennett, why hasn't he played yet?
Bennett was injured for the Newcastle game and PL must have thought Lichaj was doing well enough not to be subbed on Saturday.
See, that's what I like about Lambert. He picks players on form, not ego.
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Seems a decent young player that still has time to improve but he's certainly made the step up look very easy. Delighted that he scored on Saturday but more pleased with his overall performance. On the OS he said that he had most of his family down for the game. I hope they'll be coming down on a regular basis if that's the impact they have on him.
Feel sorry for young Eric. He had stepped up at level and matured as a player but I'm sure he won't let us or himself down should he be called upon. The fact that he's getting first team experience now can only be a good thing for the squad strength.
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Will be interesting to see who gets the nod at left back against Southampton.
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Will be interesting to see who gets the nod at left back against Southampton.
Personally I would start with exactly the same team that started the last 2 games and makes changes as and when again.
I see Lowton was in the mirrors team of the week when was the last time any of our players any of those kind of lists? Although I thought Holman deserve to be in their also.
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Will be interesting to see who gets the nod at left back against Southampton.
Personally I would start with exactly the same team that started the last 2 games and makes changes as and when again.
This
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Even during the shambles that was the Everton game I thought Lowton looked a really good player. Never looked fazed by the step up from League 1, don't think I saw him get pulled out of position and was clearly eager to get the ball and get forward whenever possible.
Hopefully the rest of Lambert's lower league purchases will get off to a good start when they come into the team.
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A proper footballers name is Matt Lowton.
It conjures up an image of a player wearing long shorts and ankle high football boots, dribbling a soggy leather caseball down the line infront of a crowd of eighty thousand or more.
Great name.
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He has certainly lived up to the "talented, young and hungry" category. He has been excellent ......
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Will be interesting to see who gets the nod at left back against Southampton.
Personally I would start with exactly the same team that started the last 2 games and makes changes as and when again.
I see Lowton was in the mirrors team of the week when was the last time any of our players any of those kind of lists? Although I thought Holman deserve to be in their also.
Considering some of the crap goalkeeping over the weekend I'm surprised Guzan wasn't in there as well.
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the one thing I really like about him is his energy. Even towards the end of the game he was getting forward yet never slow in getting back. That said, there was always someone ready to cover for him which is massive at this level if you are going to employ attacking FB's. I really am enjoying what is happening down there and also looking foward to seeing what young Bennett can do. Mind you, Lichaj put himself about too at the weekend and played very well.
Isn't it great to have solid competition at FB for the first time in ages and not have to talk about another weekend of bookings and fuck ups from Messrs Hutton and Warnock.
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Matthew Lowton has started his Aston Villa career strongly and highlighted just how strongly with a goal of the season contender against Swansea City on Saturday.
Villa fans will always welcome a goal from defence but the main concern will be that Lowton is doing his job at the back.
Here's a quick look at his stats so far...
Matthew Lowton has made 4 starts and played 360 minutes of football. He has made 10 interceptions and won 50% of his aerial duels.
He has made 11 clearances and won 79% of his tackles so far.
He has also contributed 147 passes of which only 6 were long balls. He has shown his willingness to get into attacking positions with 9 crosses and 3 clear chances created.
From those 147 passes he has a passing accuracy of 82%.
He has had two shots, both on target and one resulting in a devastating goal from outside the area.
Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/09/18/aston-villa-stats-season-s-figures-so-far-show-matthew-lowton-as-a-solid-performer-97319-31857966/#ixzz26oeMYSHN
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The most refreshing stat there is that out of 147 passes only 6 were long balls. Since I can remember going to watch the Villa I have constantly been frustrated by the amount of "good area" long balls that are just hopelessly pumped into the channels.
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Hopefully another Mark Delaney. A player from the lower divisions who makes the step up and gives solid reliable service.
Agree with the Delaney reference, can see a lot of similarities, think he may be even better though
Well at least there are no Wimbledon* cloggers to take out his standing leg when crossing that started the injury issues.
* I think it was Wimbledon anyway.
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I think he has made as good a start as Kyle Walker did for us..
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I like this lad.
Even in the horror show of our first two games, he looked solid and didn't look out of depth at this level and has impressed in the last two as the team have.
Crossing is a bit wayward I'm sure that will improve in time.
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It was Bocanegra againsg Fulham at Loftus Road.
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It was Bocanegra againsg Fulham at Loftus Road.
It was. A horrendous tackle.
I really like the look of Lowton, he's got a lot of energy and I think his all round game will improve quickly under Lambert.
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I really like him also but have just a couple of reservations. No doubts about going forward or potetial to score occassionally but from defensive point of view it was from near his position that Everton and Newcastle both scores wasn't it ?
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They were both fantastic strikes which would be incredibly harsh to pin on him. Generally he's been fine defensively and there's certainly no cause for concern. He will get caught out some times where he's too far forward but that's the price you pay for getting men forward and playing good football, if you lose the ball there's always space if they can get in behind you. I'd rather this than him sitting deeper and not affecting play in their half.
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Both those goals came from the players cutting inside though, at which point they become at least partially someone else's responsibility.
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Shame I thought he had a pretty anonymous performance yesterday having looked so assured the previous game. I guess he's still learning but it's certainly a reality check to see the range of performances we can expect from our young team (Swansea -> Saints)
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Like other players we signed/promoted from the youth set up Lowton has made a massive step up so it will take time for him to find his feet on a consistent basis. We have to hope we quickly start carving out results until they do.
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He was poor yesterday and got caught out of position several times. But he is learning and is young so you tend to accept it more readily
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I think its unfair to judge any young player this early.
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I think he has the potential to be a great player is his position. I dont think any of the defenders played well at all against Southampton but he seems genuinely proud to be wearing the shirt.
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He'll be fine, just needs to look at positioning a bit. That said yesterday was just a shambles so it wouldn't have mattered.
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He'll be fine.
I don't think Hutton would have done quite so well with that shot last weekend !
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He'll be fine.
I don't think Hutton would have done quite so well with that shot last weekend !
on his wrong foot too.
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He was poor yesterday and got caught out of position several times. But he is learning and is young so you tend to accept it more readily
It's quite similar to when we had Walker on loan:- you can see the player in him, but he needs a bit more experience to iron out the defensive errors.
I think he'll be a top player for us in a year or two!
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He didn't get forward enough, knocked it long too often and was all over the shop positional wise.
He's a good young player, but his inexperience will lead to performances like we saw against Southampton.
That said, they can all pass I ta lot better.
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It may have been said elsewhere but I did have a case of the wtf was Concrete Ron doing for the 3rd goal about me. Am I wrong?
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It may have been said elsewhere but I did have a case of the wtf was Concrete Ron doing for the 3rd goal about me. Am I wrong?
Nope it was very strange, no idea why he just stopped.
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It may have been said elsewhere but I did have a case of the wtf was Concrete Ron doing for the 3rd goal about me. Am I wrong?
Nope it was very strange, no idea why he just stopped.
dont worry men, he beats his chest and shouts and stands over midgets in a really "im bruce lee hard" kind of way......... so we can let him off actually being pretty average !!
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It may have been said elsewhere but I did have a case of the wtf was Concrete Ron doing for the 3rd goal about me. Am I wrong?
Looked like a classic case of just giving up to me.
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It may have been said elsewhere but I did have a case of the wtf was Concrete Ron doing for the 3rd goal about me. Am I wrong?
Looked like a classic case of just giving up to me.
Well if that's the case,he should be stripped of the captaincy
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It may have been said elsewhere but I did have a case of the wtf was Concrete Ron doing for the 3rd goal about me. Am I wrong?
Looked like a classic case of just giving up to me.
Well if that's the case,he should be stripped of the captaincy
Let's calm down shall it's one albeit really bad game. Across the season Vlaar will be excellent for us.
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Sensational strike. What made it even better was that it was against Begovic who has been one of the best keepers this season. Have we ever won goal of the season before? Can't remember screamers like that since Hitzlsperger.
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Sensational strike. What made it even better was that it was against Begovic who has been one of the best keepers this season. Have we ever won goal of the season before? Can't remember screamers like that since Hitzlsperger.
Morley and Dalian. Can't think of any others though.
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There haven't been any, although the year that Dalian won it there were a few contenders.
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I remember Lee Hendrie's goal against Palace being nominated, but not winning.
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Dean Saunders goal at home to Ipswich was probably nominated.
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Dean Saunders goal at home to Ipswich was probably nominated.
Although I loved that and the Dalian goal, the Sheff Weds one is probably still my favourite ever goal. A stunning team goal.
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Dean Saunders goal at home to Ipswich was probably nominated.
Wasn't it the same season as Dalian though?
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Dean Saunders goal at home to Ipswich was probably nominated.
Wasn't it the same season as Dalian though?
Yep, so was the Sheff Weds game. We won a few goal of the month competitions that season.
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Dean Saunders goal at home to Ipswich was probably nominated.
Although I loved that and the Dalian goal, the Sheff Weds one is probably still my favourite ever goal. A stunning team goal.
I remember that mazy run and being behind the goal when dalian hit it i thought he had miskicked and was about to utter an expletive only to realise the ball was going in to our delight!
Absolutely shocking journey down to Croydon that day too .
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Alan Wrights goal at Boro was a cracker.
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That Sheff Weds goal. Early in the video.
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Actually, just watch this.
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3-4 of those are in my top 10 villa goals ever, we were a joy to watch that year.
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That Yorke fella wasn't bad was he?
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Alan Wrights goal at Boro was a cracker.
Seconded. I was right behind it's original trajectory & it curled in at the last minute. Awesome.
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Alan Wrights goal at Boro was a cracker.
Seconded. I was right behind it's original trajectory & it curled in at the last minute. Awesome.
Have to say it was great, but the control and shot today edged it for me, especially in the situation
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Tommy Johnsons goal was better. It was like watching Barca.
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I said to RedSox as we left the ground that Lowton is turning into Alan Wright. Only scores one or two a season but they are all screamers.
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Tommy Johnsons goal was better. It was like watching Barca.
You mean Brazil, surely ?
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Dean Saunders goal at home to Ipswich was probably nominated.
IIRC, it was beaten to the Goal of the Month by Yorke's goal in the same match. The one when we had about 30 passes before he scored.
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Dean Saunders goal at home to Ipswich was probably nominated.
IIRC, it was beaten to the Goal of the Month by Yorke's goal in the same match. The one when we had about 30 passes before he scored.
The Yorke goal was the Sheff Weds one I posted wasn't it?
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Let's hope that Lowton's goal gets the credit it deserves on MOTD.
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Let's hope that Lowton's goal gets the credit it deserves on MOTD.
It would If it was Gareth Bale who scored it ;)
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Let's hope that Lowton's goal gets the credit it deserves on MOTD.
It would If it was Gareth Bale who scored it ;)
I seem to remember them spunking off over the Crouch goal against Citeh last season and that wasn't as good.
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I think it's nailed on they'll give it credit.
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I think it's nailed on they'll give it credit.
All 3 seemed to agree it's the goal of the season so far so yup, they gave it the credit it deserves.
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I think it's nailed on they'll give it credit.
All 3 seemed to agree it's the goal of the season so far so yup, they gave it the credit it deserves.
Yeah thought they did it justice. In fact, I thought Shearer's comments on the match were spot on. Although is it just me, or is Hansen never on the show when we win?
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Dean Saunders goal at home to Ipswich was probably nominated.
IIRC, it was beaten to the Goal of the Month by Yorke's goal in the same match. The one when we had about 30 passes before he scored.
The Yorke goal was the Sheff Weds one I posted wasn't it?
We scored two against Ipswich. One with Yorke header on the end of the 30 passes and Deano's "miles better the Beckhams" lob of the keeper. The winning goal of the month picker decided Yorke's team goal was better the the lob so that won.
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We scored two against Ipswich. One with Yorke header on the end of the 30 passes and Deano's "miles better the Beckhams" lob of the keeper. The winning goal of the month picker decided Yorke's team goal was better the the lob so that won.
The 30 pass move was Yorke's goal against Sheffield Wednesday.
His diving header against Ipswich was an end-to-end counter attack with a (I think) Staunton cross.
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I obviously didn't IIRC then. Always thought that they were both in the same game and although Villa won the goal of the month, I was pissed off the lob didn't win it.
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I loved the Yorke goal at Southampton in 98 I think... on the volley. Love to see it again.
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It was a brilliant goal. Good first control and a beautiful dipping volley, both done with players closing him down. The technique was superb.
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It was a brilliant goal. Good first control and a beautiful dipping volley, both done with players closing him down. The technique was superb.
This is what makes it so special for me.
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It was a brilliant goal. Good first control and a beautiful dipping volley, both done with players closing him down. The technique was superb.
This is what makes it so special for me.
I think I put on the post match thread, my favourite part is that he didn't let it come down too far, to take a volley in the way he did takes a lot of technique but more a lot of self-belief. Seeing our players showing that level of belief in their abilities is the best thing given the year we've had.
Excellent technique and composure under pressure. These youngsters are learning how to cope with adversity.
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Surely one of you geeks can get a gif of that goal on this thread?
Brilliant technique, superb first touch, all round goal of the season.
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Surely one of you geeks can get a gif of that goal on this thread?
Brilliant technique, superb first touch, all round goal of the season.
It's already in the post-match thread somewhere.
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Here you go anyway Dave:
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429073/Lowton_Goal_1.gif)
I could watch that all day.
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As I have said earlier, the moment it flew in, the feeling was Even Better Than The Young Thing.
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Alan Wrights goal at Boro was a cracker.
and his goal away against Spurs in 2000 was a corker! I think we were 2-0 down and won 4-2. Great day!
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Alan Wrights goal at Boro was a cracker.
and his goal away against Spurs in 2000 was a corker! I think we were 2-0 down and won 4-2. Great day!
Dublin's goal that day was fantastic as well. Shades of an overhead kick, not long after coming back from a broken neck.
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Here you go anyway Dave:
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429073/Lowton_Goal_1.gif)
I could watch that all day.
Oh my!
Good job it went in, there were two Villa players offside.
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Lowtons had a lot of pressure on him this season and he's coped magnificently. I really like him, he's a quality player. He's hitting form again. He dipped around dec-jan, but being so young and being thrust into the top flight in all he's been remarkable. Under normal circumstances he'd have played half the games he has and been given time to rest when he needed it.
For me he's a good combo of Delaney and Wright. He's reliable, good going forward, good in the tackle. Like little Wrighty too, he'll score the odd screamer too. His positional play will improve as he matures and having another experienced CB alongside Vlaar will also help our young fullbacks.
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Here you go anyway Dave:
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429073/Lowton_Goal_1.gif)
I could watch that all day.
Oh my!
Good job it went in, there were two Villa players offside.
Have to try and pause it then.
When the ball leaves his foot I'm pretty sure the defender on the left is playing them on. Follow the line on the grass.
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My thoughts as well on the offside Nigel although the one nearest us (Benteke?) might have been off. Whether a lino would have noticed on either decision though is another matter and one we don't have to worry about.
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It's one of the best feelings when your celebrating in front of the Aston Villa fans & there all going barmy
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Here you go anyway Dave:
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429073/Lowton_Goal_1.gif)
I could watch that all day.
Oh my!
Good job it went in, there were two Villa players offside.
Have to try and pause it then.
When the ball leaves his foot I'm pretty sure the defender on the left is playing them on. Follow the line on the grass.
Nah, just off I reckon.
This is just an excuse to repost the gif really.
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It's one of the best feelings when your celebrating in front of the Aston Villa fans & there all going barmy
@matt_lowts
I'm glad he has a football career to fall back on.
But let's hope he has a lot more of those feelings in the future with us.
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What a goal, I was away this weekend and only just saw it.
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Amazing amazing goal.
The great thing is in recent weeks he's starting to look a real threat going forward, set up a few of Gabby's recent goals and the chance he missed against Liverpool.
We have a good attacking full back on your hands I reckon.
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What a joy to see that GIF
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His assist for Gabby was pretty decent too.
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His assist for Gabby was pretty decent too.
Completely forgot about that. But then again, his goal does take a lot of the focus! ha ha.
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On the subject of great Villa goals, Stan's against Derby wasn't a bad strike, for his wrong foot ;)
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That goal is a thing of great beauty.
I will never, ever tire of seeing it.
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Haven't seen Remy's goal today but talk that it might overshadow Mattys.
Hopefully not...winning goal of the season would be our proudest moment since lifting the Peace Cup.
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Remys was good but nowhere near the quality of lowtons.
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I think that he looks like a young Jools Holland.
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It was the sort of strike that went it hit the net, ther was a moment's silence around the stadium with a collective "what the fcuk was that" and then realisation that the ball had hit the net.
Followed by what looked a incredible mental celebration in the away section.
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Haven't seen Remy's goal today but talk that it might overshadow Mattys.
Hopefully not...winning goal of the season would be our proudest moment since lifting the Peace Cup.
Just seen Remy's goal. Yes well taken with precision but not even close. There was no pressure on him and he did what he should do no more.
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Haven't seen Remy's goal today but talk that it might overshadow Mattys.
Hopefully not...winning goal of the season would be our proudest moment since lifting the Peace Cup.
Just seen Remy's goal. Yes well taken with precision but not even close. There was no pressure on him and he did what he should do no more.
Agreed Remy's would be one of the best goals most weekends, but Lowton's is a wonder strike of a level that you see a handful of times per season.
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Remys goal was just very good. Lowtons was one of those moments when everyone has that what has happened, did he really just score. Fantastic goal ..........
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It was the sort of strike that went it hit the net, ther was a moment's silence around the stadium with a collective "what the fcuk was that" and then realisation that the ball had hit the net.
Followed by what looked a incredible mental celebration in the away section.
It was possibly the most mental goal celebration i've been in since Tranmere.
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Remy's was brilliant but I wouldn't put it above Lowton's. Remy didn't have to control it with his chest, volley it and have to do it with two players closing him down.
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Lowton's Goal is Goal of the season, I don't care what anybody else says or what ever happens from now on.
It just gets better and better every time you see it!
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Remy's was brilliant but I wouldn't put it above Lowton's. Remy didn't have to control it with his chest, volley it and have to do it with two players closing him down.
Very much so. Really good as opposed to one-in-a-million.
Remy's was the Ashley Young to Lowton's Lionel Messi.
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On MOTD 2 Hansen the plank went for Remy's, I'm sorry but despite me being very biased I thought Remy's was just okay....
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I thought Remy's was special as well. To run that far and then side-foot it with that much power takes some doing. I still prefer Lowton's, even trying to allow for the obvious bias.
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Hansen is just a word-removed. Lowton didn't even hit it at a natural angle. The ball was to his right when he hit it. So Remy's is just better because he side-footed it?!
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I put it down to a short attention-span.
It was the one that he'd seen more recently, therefore it was better.
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Murray called Lowton's "orgasmic". A word possibly not uttered on MOTD since the days of that smooth old motherfucker Des Lynam.
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Any clip of Remy's goal. (Not sure what team he played for) LOL and Matt goal is awesome :) Goal of the season.
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No question the Lowton goal was better than remys.
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Once I'd watched it a few times on MOTD I decided to watch it over and over again from all the angles and just spot the crowd's reaction. Even some of the Stokies were applauding. The Villa fans' reactions as Benteke et al sure through on goal are also worth watching again. Everyone behind the goal waiting and willing him to score and then....BOOM! Cue wild celebrations.
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hansen was sitting next to Lineker when he was just a mere pundit when they were both deciding which was the best goal of the day - dalian's against Wimbledon or Shearer's against someone when Blackburn put 7 (I think) past someone with Shearer lobbing the keeper. Hansen went for Shearer at which point Lineker nearly snotted himself laughing saying, 'Ha! He's changed his mind'.
Remy's hit was spectaluar. A brilliant goal and went past the keeper like a tracer bullet. The reason Lowton's is better in terms of winning goal of the season is because there was so much more technically to his goal. The angle of the body, the controlled chest down, the players closing in on him, the height and angle of the ball, and then the superb finish from there from 30 yards. (If we win this will be come anything between 45 yards and miles).
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Just seen Remy's on MOTD2. Wonderful strike, no doubting the quality of the finish. Brilliant.
But a better goal than Lowton's? No chance.
After the qpr game, in the best goal of the weekend exchange, kilbane said "apart from Lowton's", to which captain scarlet, in his defence, nodded sagely. Think his bit at the end was an attempt at being funny, insomuchas you say one, I'll say the other.
I'd have enjoyed a longer interview with rodgers, listening to him explain exactly how sturridge was "clearly onside" could've been comedy gold!
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Remy's shot was a good finish but at the point arrived at his feet he only had the keeper to beat, how he did it was decent.
For Lowton's goal the ball wall was an age in the air with 2 stoke players he was aware of bearing down on him and the rest of the stoke players behind them and the keeper.
With us looking likely to go down 2-1 to stoke at that point and Lowton being a defender to even try it was audacious, I cant even compare the 2 goals!
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No question, van Lowton's goal is better, technically and especially from a defender.
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Love watching both goals but Lowton's is better because he's Villa.
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For a lad who has been an ever present in the league (every minute of every PL match) he still looks fresh.
"The three points are fantastic but there is still a long way to go. There are a lot points still to play for. We can't leave it here, we have got to take it into the next few games. But the momentum is massive and confidence is sky high. You can see that coming out of the manager in the changing room. All the players are buzzing and we can't wait for the next game now."
"The idea when I came was just to get in the team as quickly as I could but when I got picked first game I set my stall out to get picked every game and keep the shirt as long as I can. To have played every minute up to now is fantastic but the main thing is the team stay in this division."
"It [the goal at Stoke] was nice. The one against Swansea earlier in the season was fantastic as well, obviously, but it has always been in the back of my mind that the keeper did me a favour diving out of the way. It is nice that he went for it and it actually beat him this time.
I was concentrating on my first touch but as soon as it sat up like it did it needed hitting really, and luckily it flew into the back of the net."
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Matt Lowton's goal was an amazing feeling .
I was down after Stoke scored thinking not again Villa, how many times do we not kill teams off and then start jumping in to tackles and losing the ball and look like 7 year old's. I thought 2 points dropped and we are going to feel the pressure again . My head did drop and I was moaning to myself 'damn you villa , why '
He hit it , I never saw the ball , then it was bouncing in the back of the net , laptop fell onto the floor and ran round the room like a mad wolf on heat .
it was an amazing feeling . What a time to score that . I will remember that one for ever...
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Matt Lowton's goal was an amazing feeling .
I was down after Stoke scored thinking not again Villa, how many times do we not kill teams off and then start jumping in to tackles and losing the ball and look like 7 year old's. I thought 2 points dropped and we are going to feel the pressure again . My head did drop and I was moaning to myself 'damn you villa , why '
He hit it , I never saw the ball , then it was bouncing in the back of the net , laptop fell onto the floor and ran round the room like a mad wolf on heat .
it was an amazing feeling . What a time to score that . I will remember that one for ever...
I am truly grateful to you jp that so will I remember it ;)
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It was better than the Swansea goal.
No goalkeeper in the world would have saved the Stoke one , a few goalkeepers probably would have saved the one against Swansea.
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Matt Lowton's goal was an amazing feeling .
I was down after Stoke scored thinking not again Villa, how many times do we not kill teams off and then start jumping in to tackles and losing the ball and look like 7 year old's. I thought 2 points dropped and we are going to feel the pressure again . My head did drop and I was moaning to myself 'damn you villa , why '
He hit it , I never saw the ball , then it was bouncing in the back of the net , laptop fell onto the floor and ran round the room like a mad wolf on heat .
it was an amazing feeling . What a time to score that . I will remember that one for ever...
I am truly grateful to you jp that so will I remember it ;)
;) wouldn't want you to miss that one Eastie . Must have been amazing to be there .
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It was better than the Swansea goal.
No goalkeeper in the world would have saved the Stoke one , a few goalkeepers probably would have saved the one against Swansea.
Much better than the Swansea goal, I felt the keeper should have saved that one , although the ball moved in the air it went near enough in the middle of goal and the keeper misread it - the goal at stoke was much harder to save.
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Matt Lowton's goal was an amazing feeling .
I was down after Stoke scored thinking not again Villa, how many times do we not kill teams off and then start jumping in to tackles and losing the ball and look like 7 year old's. I thought 2 points dropped and we are going to feel the pressure again . My head did drop and I was moaning to myself 'damn you villa , why '
He hit it , I never saw the ball , then it was bouncing in the back of the net , laptop fell onto the floor and ran round the room like a mad wolf on heat .
it was an amazing feeling . What a time to score that . I will remember that one for ever...
I am truly grateful to you jp that so will I remember it ;)
Must have been amazing to be there .
It was JP, the celebrations were mental.
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It was better than the Swansea goal.
No goalkeeper in the world would have saved the Stoke one , a few goalkeepers probably would have saved the one against Swansea.
Much better than the Swansea goal, I felt the keeper should have saved that one , although the ball moved in the air it went near enough in the middle of goal and the keeper misread it - the goal at stoke was much harder to save.
we have scored some great goals this season , blimey If the defense had been ok , we would be half way up the league and probably in two cup finals.
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It was better than the Swansea goal.
No goalkeeper in the world would have saved the Stoke one , a few goalkeepers probably would have saved the one against Swansea.
Much better than the Swansea goal, I felt the keeper should have saved that one , although the ball moved in the air it went near enough in the middle of goal and the keeper misread it - the goal at stoke was much harder to save.
we have scored some great goals this season , blimey If the defense had been ok , we would be half way up the league and probably in two cup finals.
Strangely I said similar to a friend down the pub yesterday ;)
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Mark Delaney mk II.
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I said this the other day when one or the other of the naysayers of doom were bleating on about how awful the season has been, when in truth, if we stay up which in reality we should from here with a bit more hard work, there are plenty of examples of excellent moments, some cracking individual and team goals scored, and some young players who have faced real adversity and fought through it. I think the idea it has been a total wreck is very harsh. 10 more points would have been great, but I would not sacrifice some of the experience gained this season for those points at the moment.
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Mark Delaney mk II.
With the defending and attacking attributes sadly reversed!
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Mark Delaney mk II.
With the defending and attacking attributes sadly reversed!
I actually don't think his defending is bad at all, given he effectively has the whole right flank to cover, and he doesn't have two (or three, actually) quality centre halves behind him to help him out.
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I said this the other day when one or the other of the naysayers of doom were bleating on about how awful the season has been, when in truth, if we stay up which in reality we should from here with a bit more hard work, there are plenty of examples of excellent moments, some cracking individual and team goals scored, and some young players who have faced real adversity and fought through it. I think the idea it has been a total wreck is very harsh. 10 more points would have been great, but I would not sacrifice some of the experience gained this season for those points at the moment.
Agree totally, the highlights reel for this season will be fantastic viewing. Going forward our problem has been a lack of scrappy goals (like the Gabby one). For most teams those goals make up a large percentage for the year, for us they're rare, with most of ours being really 'good' goals. At the other end we've also conceded far too many of the scrappy goals where the ball bounces around for a bit.
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I said this the other day when one or the other of the naysayers of doom were bleating on about how awful the season has been, when in truth, if we stay up which in reality we should from here with a bit more hard work, there are plenty of examples of excellent moments, some cracking individual and team goals scored, and some young players who have faced real adversity and fought through it. I think the idea it has been a total wreck is very harsh. 10 more points would have been great, but I would not sacrifice some of the experience gained this season for those points at the moment.
to be fair Ozz , I think most of us thought it was going to be a roller coaster season . I was happy with Lambert and was expecting 5-2 defeats and 6-3 wins ;) but at times it was dire and some of the worse performances I have witnessed and I was scratching my head with tactics but he will learn .
But I think most of us thought , If we stay up this season , the future is going to look mighty fine.
I am disappointed we have not got at least one trophy thou but I will have Prem status for now.
oh just listening to God on talksport , he loves us ...
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I said this the other day when one or the other of the naysayers of doom were bleating on about how awful the season has been, when in truth, if we stay up which in reality we should from here with a bit more hard work, there are plenty of examples of excellent moments, some cracking individual and team goals scored, and some young players who have faced real adversity and fought through it. I think the idea it has been a total wreck is very harsh. 10 more points would have been great, but I would not sacrifice some of the experience gained this season for those points at the moment.
to be fair Ozz , I think most of us thought it was going to be a roller coaster season . I was happy with Lambert and was expecting 5-2 defeats and 6-3 wins ;) but at times it was dire and some of the worse performances I have witnessed and I was scratching my head with tactics but he will learn .
But I think most of us thought , If we stay up this season , the future is going to look mighty fine.
I am disappointed we have not got at least one trophy thou but I will have Prem status for now.
oh just listening to God on talksport , he loves us ...
Of course God loves us, that's why he gave us Birmingham City to laugh at.
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Out of interest, are we counting his goal as "scoring from a corner"?
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It was better than the Swansea goal.
No goalkeeper in the world would have saved the Stoke one , a few goalkeepers probably would have saved the one against Swansea.
Much better than the Swansea goal, I felt the keeper should have saved that one , although the ball moved in the air it went near enough in the middle of goal and the keeper misread it - the goal at stoke was much harder to save.
we have scored some great goals this season , blimey If the defense had been ok , we would be half way up the league and probably in two cup finals.
Strangely I said similar to a friend down the pub yesterday ;)
Lowton's goal was sheer class .
My season's favourite - so far - is Weimann's at Shamfield: I just loved the team element to it, the backheel and the first-time strike.
But I'm not going to fall out with anyone about which of the two is our goal of the season!
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Mark Delaney mk II.
With the defending and attacking attributes sadly reversed!
I actually don't think his defending is bad at all, given he effectively has the whole right flank to cover, and he doesn't have two (or three, actually) quality centre halves behind him to help him out.
I agree.
He's young, he'll make errors. He can tackle. He just needs to work on his positioning. That could be helped, as is the case for the rest of our backline, by better coaching and a Laursen figure in the back line.
He hasn't had the luxury of a spell out when he was really struggling. I think he's handled this season remarkably well. In a year or two he could be playing for England.
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Lowton just needs to work on his strength and positioning and he'll be fine.
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Lowton will be better next season as will others. Ian Culverhouse was a decent right back to learn from.
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It'll be a damn sight easier to coach better defending into him than it will be to teach him how to score with 30 yard volleys.
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on the Lowton vs Remy thing, sorry but rose tinted glasses firmly removed, it's not even close. Remy's goal is excellent, no doubt but to it isn't even close to what Lowton had to do in a split second with two defenders basically on top of him. The initial control of a high looping clearance, the perfect chest and the power and accuracy of the shot. Nothing lucky because you can point to the goal he scored earlier in the season with his left foot that was very similar.
And if we needed a trump card to sway the voters, QPR spent millions on a FORWARD to score goals and makes a living at practicing his finishing. Lowton is full back with the ability to score volleys from 25yds +. I might suggest that to have that skill is quite special.
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As with all of those players who have stepped up from the lower divisions, this season has been a baptism of fire. There's been little to no chance of being pulled out of the firing line. Learning on the job at this level is not ideal. Mistakes will get magnified, more so when there is little experience around to help you out.
But I think we've seen that we have a very good prospect here who, next season, won't find himself jumping in and being dumped on his arse by players of the like of Jonathan Walters.
However much we paid, it looks like a pretty good investment.
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Lowton's goal was sheer class .
My season's favourite - so far - is Weimann's at Shamfield: I just loved the team element to it, the backheel and the first-time strike.
But I'm not going to fall out with anyone about which of the two is our goal of the season!
Did that goal win the award for December? For some reason I wasn't watching MOTD much at the the turn of the year to see.
Edit: No, Theo Walcott won instead, for this I'm guessing. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yW8gN3uYpo) So he took on a defender, fouled by the next and then carried on when everyone else had stopped expecting a pen, he beat 10 passes and the backheel setup........
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Nice piece this-
By Brian Doogan
Matt Lowton's objectives were clear and simple when he arrived from League One Sheffield United.
"I set my stall out to work as hard as I could in the summer and to get into the team as soon as I could," recalls the 23-year defender who has played every minute of every Premier League game for Villa this season. "To be picked for the first game [at West Ham] was unbelievable but once I was there I set my stall out again to stay in the team and to continue to work hard.
"Growing up, I wasn't always blessed with a lot of talent but I was never afraid to work hard and put the effort in. You saw people going home straight away when you're working hard and, even though they were better footballers than you, they're not doing it now. I've always had it in my mind that if you work hard you'll get repaid for it. I've been lucky enough to avoid injuries and stuff like that as well."
Humility rooted deep in his Chesterfield upbringing and a real sense of earnest purpose are defining features of family man Lowton's determined, plain-speaking, appealing nature. The first thought that crossed his mind when he scored and celebrated with his team-mates a genuine contender for goal of the season on Saturday against Stoke was indicative of an attitude that is steeped in the ethics of 'team'.
"I was thinking to myself, 'We need to hold on and win the game.' That was the only thought in my head," he reflects. "A goal like that and the timing and significance of it, it's nice when the points are so crucial. But the main thing is the three points and, as I keep saying, that the team takes the momentum and the confidence into the next game."
Inevitably, manager Paul Lambert will take Lowton into the next game, too. Hungry and ambitious, he embodies a commitment to the cause which has marked him down as one of the most consistent and reliable performers in a team which, over time, is finding its feet.
"The manager has a really good way of communicating with the players and getting his message across," Lowton reveals.
"He'll take you aside and he won't just say, 'You're doing it wrong', he'll say, 'This is how you do it right'. We watch videos and I like to think that it's helped me, being told where we went wrong and where we did things right and how to improve specific areas of your game.
"I switched off in a game at the start of the season and the gaffer showed me and said, 'You're in a good position here,' but then I switched off. It wasn't even a major thing but he caught it, pointed it out and that's how you learn as a player and improve your game. He's been very good with me and all of the players really in terms of instilling confidence and belief.
"The goal I scored against Swansea - it was my weaker foot! The ball got headed out and I just concentrated on my first touch. When it sat up I thought, 'Why not?' Same against Stoke, the ball was there to be struck and, thankfully, I just caught it right. That's partly down to the gaffer as well, the confidence that he's put into me since I've come here - don't be afraid to try things. Luckily, it flew in.
"This season has been a bit of a rollercoaster for everybody, we know that. There's been a new manager who has come in and a lot of new players as well but, like I say, we've all stuck together and morale has been high all season. That's been a constant and so has the support of the fans, which is just phenomenal. The passion in the away end on Saturday - it was electric and, home and away, the fans have been fantastic, 100 per cent behind the team and what the manager and the club are trying to do and achieve.
"The performance levels have been consistent over the past several months and the results are coming now as well. Like you say, the last few results have been fantastic for us. They've been massive games and we knew we had to beat the teams in and around us. We know we have a job to do still but we can take great confidence from the way we've been performing. We just need to keep doing it now over the remainder of the season. We're growing and coming together as a team, no question, so we believe we can."
In his formative years, Steven Gerrard was one of Lowton's idols and he is humbled now to be mentioned in the same breath as the Liverpool captain, having featured this season - like Gerrard and Everton and England defender Leighton Baines - in every passage of Premier League play for his team.
"It's crazy for me to think that I'm in the same sentence as Steven Gerrard," he says, smiling sheepishly. "He's been one of my idols growing up, watching him in Champions League finals and playing for England, so to be mentioned in the same breath as him is remarkable. But he's been doing it for years now and that's the challenge for me. That's what I need to do, not just one season but doing it for 10 or 12 like he has. Like I say, I've watched him for years and hopefully I can keep learning from him."
Lowton credits his girlfriend, Abi, and children Alexa and Harry for helping him to adjust to life in the Premier League - and also a loan spell at Hungarian club Ferencvaros [then a sister club to Sheffield United] when he was 18.
"I went abroad for 10 months and I had to grow up fast living on my own out there straight away," he relates. "For the first time in my life I had to do everything for myself, things like washing - I even dabbled in a bit of ironing! I didn't learn much Hungarian though - it's the hardest language in the world! I tried, I picked up a few words here and there like you do but it's a really hard language to learn. But it was great, the environment, a different culture ... the fans of Ferencvaros, they were a crazy set of fans! We had one game called off because we were losing 3-1 and the fans set the stand on fire! Unbelievable!
"But it's all a part of the learning experience. Having kids, too, has helped me grow up and Abi helps me an awful lot as well. And having a lot of lads in and around my own sort of age in the team, that's been great with settling in. It's been easier to get to know people as the lads are fantastic and we all have a good laugh away from it all."
On the pitch, however, it is all business and the challenges of this season have been helped a great deal by the contribution of Christian Benteke who has scored 15 Premier League goals and 19 in all competitions.
"He's fantastic. On his day he's unplayable," Lowton emphasises. "You've seen the different types of goals that he scores, the one at West Brom where they stood off him, then they try to tackle him when he runs at them and he's smashed it in the top corner. Then there's the one at Liverpool where they've done the opposite and tried to get the ball off him and he's beaten them and put the ball in the back of the net. Like I say, on his day he's unplayable and he's great to have in the team."
As it is to have Matt Lowton - just ask the man who has picked him in every Premier League game.
"Like I said at the weekend, I don't think you will see a better goal in Europe let alone anywhere else than Matt Lowton's," says Paul Lambert. "The technique, chest control and volley were just outstanding. He has played every minute of every game in the league and there's a reason for that - he has been outstanding."
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He's better than Naughton and also hasn't had the loan experience of Walker. Similar to Clyne from southampton in that respect. Also far better than Simpson. Along with Rafael Lowton scores the best goals!!
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That report shows exactly what Lambrt means when he talks about young and hungry. If we can get a squad full of players with that attitude we'll do alright, particularly if most of them have the technique and talent to back it up.
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That report shows exactly what Lambrt means when he talks about young and hungry. If we can get a squad full of players with that attitude we'll do alright, particularly if most of them have the technique and talent to back it up.
Agreed.
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Another bitter attempt to discredit Lowton's goal. This time from Stoke chairman Peter Coates. Using typical inbred logic that is associated with Stoke, he claims the goal was a 'fluke' because it wasn't one 'that usually goes in'! www1.skysports.com/football/news/11701/8629283
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Matty's lived in Hungary for a season and has two kids...Blimey, he's a proper grown-up isn't he?! Maybe he can talk a bit of sense into Bananaman.
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Saw him buying a Range Rover Evoque for his girlfriend in Erdington earlier in the season.
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At least he is looking after those he cares about!
I think he has been an incredible signing when you think about the cost, and must have been really well scouted. When you look and see interviews with him, and Westwood, and see Bennett taking responsibility on Twitter for his mistakes, listen to Weimann and Guzan, Benteke, Clark. There is a theme with all of them that they are not your run of the mill stereotype footballers, they all seem able to engage their brain away from the pitch. I was listening to an interview with I think Russell Martin after Lamber joined us last season who sounded very articulate too, not the usual cliche and erm and um throughout the interview. I think is a clear template of a character as well as player.
30 games of scouting Westy shows that.
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Nice piece this-
By Brian Doogan
Matt Lowton's objectives were clear and simple ... there's a reason for that - he has been outstanding."
Well, that is a better read than most articles of football journalism because it gives a good insight into the character; of both the player and the manager.
As Ozz and paul_e above say, this is indicative of a real sea-change taking place at Villa: instead of sulky Charles, idiotic Ireland and the Boy Bannan, we've shipped in some steady characters and dedicated footballers.
3-4 more additions in the summer - some with more EPL experience - and we'll have a really useful squad.
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One of the reputations Lambert had was that he had a good scouting network around him. It shows with some of the players that have come in. Lowton may have been dropped if there were a better more experienced alternative but there isn't. He's done well. Not just his goal but to come from the third division and to play every game is an achievement. He started the season well, has had a dip in form, and hopefully his goal will give him the confidence to finish the season on a high.
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I've always liked Lowton. He's clearly got the attributes to be a very solid right back. I think the thing you look for most in a young fullback is their ability to get forward. He's a bit lax positionally, but that'll (hopefully) come with experience if he keeps working.
Bennett still is promising too for me, but he does seem to lack the tenacity that Lowton has. Although I do like the look of him going forward.
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Bennett's sending off against Norwich seemed to set him back a bit because he was doing ok up until then (was'nt that Dowd by the way?). Like all new players, some settle straight away and some don't. I think he'll be ok in the long run.
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Bennett's sending off against Norwich seemed to set him back a bit because he was doing ok up until then (was'nt that Dowd by the way?). Like all new players, some settle straight away and some don't. I think he'll be ok in the long run.
That knee injury se sustained also held him back and the opening up of it again at sunderland was a blow - now his fitness is good and he's having a good run of games his confidence is high and he's looking decent going forward.
Still needs to work a bit on his defensive game but i agree he is coming along nicely.
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Bennett's sending off against Norwich seemed to set him back a bit because he was doing ok up until then (was'nt that Dowd by the way?). Like all new players, some settle straight away and some don't. I think he'll be ok in the long run.
It was Dowd, and he was completely mugged for the second yellow by the Norwich player who made a total meal of what was actually both players obstructing each other.
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Bennett's sending off against Norwich seemed to set him back a bit because he was doing ok up until then (was'nt that Dowd by the way?). Like all new players, some settle straight away and some don't. I think he'll be ok in the long run.
It was Dowd, and he was completely mugged for the second yellow by the Norwich player who made a total meal of what was actually both players obstructing each other.
It was probably another case of Dowd not really seeing it and just guessing. He does that a lot.
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I wonder if Dowd actually looks forward to reffing us like we look forward to him coming?
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Hearing about Danny Wilson's sacking yesterday reminded just how far Matthew Lowton has come in a year.
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I wonder if Dowd actually looks forward to reffing us like we look forward to him coming?
It probably dose'nt bother him in the slightest.
By the way mate, how was the gig?
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Hearing about Danny Wilson's sacking yesterday reminded just how far Matthew Lowton has come in a year.
How's that?
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Hearing about Danny Wilson's sacking yesterday reminded just how far Matthew Lowton has come in a year.
How's that?
Not out!
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Reminds me slightly of a RB version of a young Gareth Barry.
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Lowton was class last night.
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Lowton was class last night.
Indeed as were all 11 players - excellent !
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Lowton was class last night.
Indeed as were all 11 players - excellent !
Agree, mate.
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Lowton was definitely MOTM. No one could get near him, he took players out of the game with his interceptions and lightning quick feet. He has always looked promising, but boy he was the finished article last night.
Just praying this isn't one of those once in a blue moon situations, hope they take the form into Saturday.....UTV
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Lowton was definitely MOTM. No one could get near him, he took players out of the game with his interceptions and lightning quick feet. He has always looked promising, but boy he was the finished article last night.
Just praying this isn't one of those once in a blue moon situations, hope they take the form into Saturday.....UTV
Yep, its not often that someone scores a hatrick and yet another player is clearly MOTM.
We new that the in stadium announcer would say that Tekkers was MOTM but the consensus around me last night was Lowton
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Lowton, one word: superb
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Our defence (rightly) has suffered a lot this season. The one everpresent has remained our best bit in front of Guzan. Two great goals this year, including Goal of the Season, and last night performance has just about capped it for me. Brilliant 90 minutes. Well done
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I can't remember ever seeing a right back performance as good as his last night. Truly outstanding.
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He's been very good for a while now, but Just fantastic last night. Well done that man.
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He's got better as the season's gone on and last night was the culmination of all the effort he's put in. Not many players have played every game in the PL. Quality player.
I think Bennett has the ability to be similar to Lowton (not as good as), but his confidence took a battering earlier in the season which has held him back a lot.
All praise Lowton and Lambert for buying him.
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I was very impressed by Lowton's reading of the game: his ability to anticipate a move and then the speed to intercept a pass.
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Lowton can be something very,very special.
I wonder, is there a midfielder in there at all ?
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Lowton can be something very,very special.
I wonder, is there a midfielder in there at all ?
Prefer to keep him at right back, one thing noticeable since lambert settled on a formation that suits us is the way both Bennett and Lowton have got forward and played in decent crosses- i like the 3 man midfield and the the three lads up front are all scoring goals for fun- it took time to settle on the right system to suit the players we have but it is now starting to look settled and paying dividends.
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Lowton can be something very,very special.
I wonder, is there a midfielder in there at all ?
Prefer to keep him at right back, one thing noticeable since lambert settled on a formation that suits us is the way both Bennett and Lowton have got forward and played in decent crosses- i like the 3 man midfield and the the three lads up front are all scoring goals for fun- it took time to settle on the right system to suit the players we have but it is now starting to look settled and paying dividends.
This has always been my issue with nzogbia playing in the role behind Benteke, we need the full backs to get forward and give us width but with, effectively, 4 up front, it's very hard to do that without leaving us exposed defensively. The extra body in the middle means one of the midfielders can drift into the full back area and still leave us with 2 in the middle to disrupt things.
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He keeps getting better and better, he has a wealth of potential.
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I wonder what the process was in finding Lowton,
who was it that said this lads got something,
because no one else seemed interested, from what I can see he wasn't one people were watching particulary,
Crewe have always produced good young players, Neville said last night they fielded a whole side produced from there academy last weekend, so their players are probably always watched a bit more closely, but Sheffield United !!
the scouting system must be pretty special to unearth a player like Lowton who wasn't even rated by Sheff Utd fans all that highly
I just wonder if there is someone in the background, like Tony Barton used to be saying 'that's one of mine you know' quietly to himself last night
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He keeps getting better and better, he has a wealth of potential.
And with Bennett progressing quite nicely on the other side, too.
Both can put in a fantastic cross
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Lowton can be something very,very special.
I wonder, is there a midfielder in there at all ?
I think there is, as it goes, although only as right midfielder in a 4-4-2, in my opinion. Sort of how Beckham used to play, I suppose, and I think he'd be able to 'tuck in' easily enough to shore things up if needed.
But that really needs a more typical, flying-style winger on the other side. And we don't have one of those. Although I suppose Bennett might be able to do a job on that side.
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I wonder what the process was in finding Lowton,
who was it that said this lads got something,
because no one else seemed interested, from what I can see he wasn't one people were watching particulary,
Crewe have always produced good young players, Neville said last night they fielded a whole side produced from there academy last weekend, so their players are probably always watched a bit more closely, but Sheffield United !!
the scouting system must be pretty special to unearth a player like Lowton who wasn't even rated by Sheff Utd fans all that highly
I just wonder if there is someone in the background, like Tony Barton used to be saying 'that's one of mine you know' quietly to himself last night
I was interested to hear the Crewe boss saying lambert had had a huge dossier on Ashley Westwood and he had been watched on over 20 occasions - clearly on the radar from his Norwich days in that case .
It seems lambert has a decent scouting network.
Wouldnt surprise me if he had a couple of Europeans on his targets list maybe from Germany where he still has contacts.
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I wonder what the process was in finding Lowton,
who was it that said this lads got something,
because no one else seemed interested, from what I can see he wasn't one people were watching particulary,
Crewe have always produced good young players, Neville said last night they fielded a whole side produced from there academy last weekend, so their players are probably always watched a bit more closely, but Sheffield United !!
the scouting system must be pretty special to unearth a player like Lowton who wasn't even rated by Sheff Utd fans all that highly
I just wonder if there is someone in the background, like Tony Barton used to be saying 'that's one of mine you know' quietly to himself last night
I was interested to hear the Crewe boss saying lambert had had a huge dossier on Ashley Westwood and he had been watched on over 20 occasions - clearly on the radar from his Norwich days in that case .
It seems lambert has a decent scouting network.
Wouldnt surprise me if he had a couple of Europeans on his targets list maybe from Germany where he still has contacts.
As long as he's Benteke size and ability who plays at CB:-)
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Karsa probably had a lot to do with finding the players, setting up scouting networks etc.
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Sheffield Utd have another gem in defence Harry Maguire. Rated as another Phil Jones.
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We do have someone who is specifically charged with domestic scouting. Don't have a clue what his name is but I've read about him. He's compiled detailed dossiers on most (if not all) regular players in the top UK divisions.
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Sheffield Utd have another gem in defence Harry Maguire. Rated as another Phil Jones.
Lets show them the money then.
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He reminds me of Kyle Walker in a way.
Looks very good coming forward at times, clearly has a bit of skill about him, but also induces the odd moment of utter terror when forced to defend.
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I wonder what the process was in finding Lowton,
who was it that said this lads got something,
because no one else seemed interested, from what I can see he wasn't one people were watching particulary,
Crewe have always produced good young players, Neville said last night they fielded a whole side produced from there academy last weekend, so their players are probably always watched a bit more closely, but Sheffield United !!
the scouting system must be pretty special to unearth a player like Lowton who wasn't even rated by Sheff Utd fans all that highly
I just wonder if there is someone in the background, like Tony Barton used to be saying 'that's one of mine you know' quietly to himself last night
Really? Sheffield United have produced some outstanding full backs in recent years, Naughton and Kyle Walker so makes sense to keep tabs on who replaces them and of course Lambert would've encounted him with Norwich in the championship as think Sheffield went down the season Norwich came up.
1st half of the season Matty was pretty solid defensively but I was unsure of his quality going forward as most of his crosses seemed to go into the Holte end. In our good run he's really come on going forward and has set up a few of our goals in the last two months.
Good footballer.
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Still struggling for words to describe his performance last night.
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Spoke to my Albion best mate while I was waiting for the 7, he said that even though it was obvious Benteke would be MOTM he said Lowton was easily the best player on the pitch.
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He was. He was absolutely sensational. Best full back performance I've ever seen from a villa player.
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Class, just class.
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Spoke to my Albion best mate while I was waiting for the 7, he said that even though it was obvious Benteke would be MOTM he said Lowton was easily the best player on the pitch.
The stats on the OS back that up. Players who get hat-tricks always get the MOTM award but at times there are better performers. I knew RVP would get MOTM last week but I thought Phil Jones was superb.
He still needs to work on his crossing and some of his defending but first half especially, I thought he was brilliant.
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He reminds me of Kyle Walker in a way.
Looks very good coming forward at times, clearly has a bit of skill about him, but also induces the odd moment of utter terror when forced to defend.
I like Walker, and I can see where you're coming from.
But, I think Lowton's better, that's not me looking through claret and blue glasses either, I really believe it.
Granted, Walker is quicker, and that's what he uses to get himself out of the sh*t. Lowton's no slouch either, though.
Walker always dropped one or two huge blunders every game, which he, luckily, managed to get out of. (don't know if that still happens)
I think Lowton reads the game very well, has a better cross, and doesn't make as many mistakes because he seems a lot calmer.
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The good thing about Lowts is that he'll get better defensively as he matures. If we get in a good defensive coach, he can help the lads positionally too. Ashley Cole wasn't the best at defending in his younger days. Now he's still one of the best left backs in the world.
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First Post!
If we think he's good now, just think how much Lowts will improve being picked in an England squad.
That Gary Neville seems to know a thing or two abound the full backs dark arts.
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First Post!
If we think he's good now, just think how much Lowts will improve being picked in an England squad.
That Gary Neville seems to know a thing or two abound the full backs dark arts.
That Neville seems to be pretty spot on tactically about most things. A few weeks a year with him in England squads would be great for Lowton the player, but not great for Villa when he joins United!
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Think Positive!
This brigade of young, hungry villains need first team football in an exciting team to get a chance to play World Cup football next year.
Also Paul Lambert has done so well creating this new team in less that a year at a relative pittance, we are in a financially strong position.
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First Post!
If we think he's good now, just think how much Lowts will improve being picked in an England squad.
That Gary Neville seems to know a thing or two abound the full backs dark arts.
That Neville seems to be pretty spot on tactically about most things. A few weeks a year with him in England squads would be great for Lowton the player, but not great for Villa when he joins United!
I like Neville as an analyst but he's terrible at forecasting. He's said that QPR had too many quality players to go down and then said that the game Monday would be a close match.
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Neville does seem more comfortable dissecting particular bits of play, especially from a defensive point of view.
His overall analysis of a game is not so good.
His prediction for Monday was a tight game with not many goals. 'we're not going to see a 3-3 draw'. I was bloody nervous when we went 3-1 up.
It doesn't take long for the mask of neutrality to slip either when he starts talking about ManU.
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I got rid of Sky Sports several months ago, but last season he seemed quite neutral when discussing Manure, including highlighting mistakes made by the team/manager. The Newcastle match at Mold Trafford comes to mind. Maybe this year Sky have told him that although he did well, he needs to get with the programme and gush all over the Manks like the rest of the station.
And tbf, in the last two home games, we have scored 2 goals so calling a tight 2-1 could easily be a good shout at the start of the match.
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the player Lowton reminds me of a lot is Colin Gibson.
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I got rid of Sky Sports several months ago, but last season he seemed quite neutral when discussing Manure, including highlighting mistakes made by the team/manager. The Newcastle match at Mold Trafford comes to mind. Maybe this year Sky have told him that although he did well, he needs to get with the programme and gush all over the Manks like the rest of the station.
And tbf, in the last two home games, we have scored 2 goals so calling a tight 2-1 could easily be a good shout at the start of the match.
I haven't noticed any change in his on-air stance to United. Given that it's the only club he's ever known he does a good job of at least pretending to be neutral.
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I still can't decide on Neville, if anyone else on sky (live footage, Jeff Stelling is excellent on a saturday afternoon) or match of day was competent I don't think he'd get the credit he does. He just comes across as one of the few ex-players who's actually put in the effort to be able to do the job, rather than let reputation and cliches get them through. So I'll give him credit for actually treating it like a job but I'm not sure I'm happy to throw praise at him just yet.
I do think he does a decent job of being impartial though, from what I've seen.
I also think he'd be a great role model for Lowton to follow as Lowton seems to have the same character where he's determined to make the very best of his chance as a professional footballer, I'd be willing to guarantee Lowton is one of the hardest workers in training, you can see in his game that he takes it seriously.
From all the reports we've got a squad full of players who put the effort in.
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I still can't decide on Neville, if anyone else on sky (live footage, Jeff Stelling is excellent on a saturday afternoon) or match of day was competent I don't think he'd get the credit he does.
If in the Kingdom of the Blind, the one eyed man is king, then Gary is an Emperor and Jeff Stelling is a god.
It is not his fault that his peers consist of Merson, Droopy, Hansen, or Pingu. Yes, if everyone was good at their job, Gary might be judged as normal, but when they aren't and he picks up insights most don't think about, he will be judged highly.
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Back on track - I've just noticed on whoscored.com they have Lowton as, statistically, the best right back in Europe in April. That backs up a lot of the praise he's getting on here.
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I couldn't stand Neville when he was playing, and couldn't believe that he was going to be a permanent pundit on SKY when it was announced
I thought he would be rubbish, just to bias towards you know who, but to his credit I find him very interesting to listen to,
I actually though Andy Gray was pretty good to, but Neville is better, more modern and will also not sit on the fence, if a team has say defended poorly he can be very critical, I have seen him rip into teams and players at times, but in a objective way if that's posible
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Interesting that Lambert said to the press yesterday we got him for around a million pounds. Incredible bit of business.
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I couldn't stand Neville when he was playing, and couldn't believe that he was going to be a permanent pundit on SKY when it was announced
I thought he would be rubbish, just to bias towards you know who, but to his credit I find him very interesting to listen to,
I actually though Andy Gray was pretty good to, but Neville is better, more modern and will also not sit on the fence, if a team has say defended poorly he can be very critical, I have seen him rip into teams and players at times, but in a objective way if that's posible
I agree, I think his analysis is honest and accurate. For me, he's a fantastic pundit. He seems pretty fond of the Villa too, often makes complimentary statements about us as a club.
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I agree, I think his analysis is honest and accurate. For me, he's a fantastic pundit. He seems pretty fond of the Villa too, often makes complimentary statements about us as a club.
He knows, at Villa Park at least, they never had an easy game against us.
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Interesting that Lambert said to the press yesterday we got him for around a million pounds. Incredible bit of business.
I hope his quote does the rounds because seeing everyone say it was Ł3m pisses me off. At the time of the signing, someone asked Lowton's brother on Twitter whether it was Ł3m. He laughed and said it was nothing like that. I don't think it was even Ł1m, I think it was somewhere between Ł750k and Ł950k - something like that.
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I couldn't stand Neville when he was playing, and couldn't believe that he was going to be a permanent pundit on SKY when it was announced
I thought he would be rubbish, just to bias towards you know who, but to his credit I find him very interesting to listen to,
I actually though Andy Gray was pretty good to, but Neville is better, more modern and will also not sit on the fence, if a team has say defended poorly he can be very critical, I have seen him rip into teams and players at times, but in a objective way if that's posible
I agree, I think his analysis is honest and accurate. For me, he's a fantastic pundit. He seems pretty fond of the Villa too, often makes complimentary statements about us as a club.
As I've said, to me that is just treating it as a job and actually attempting to do it properly. It seems a bigger thing than it is because almost all the rest of them don't give a shit.
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Top scouts from other clubs, look into my eyes and repeat after me "This is not the player we are looking for".
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Such a shame he couldn't get the ever-present record.
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Hope he is back for the next game
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Was it a thigh muscle he pulled?
Anyone know the extent or length of treatment?
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I think Grant Holt ran his studs down his leg (being the dirty bastard he is). If it is that he'll be alright for next week. A muscle injury would make him a doubt.
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Holt is a fat talentless sack of bollocks, he really is. Can't believe he got into double figures last season.
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He really is shite (Holt), Rickie Lambert is a much better player.
Sad Lowton couldn't get an ever present record in the league.
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I was imagining during the game, how our season might have transpired if we'd bought Holt instead of Tekkers. It wasn't a pleasant thought either. In truth we'd be relegated already.
Thank the fuck christ.
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Supertom, from what i understand, Holt wasnt a popular person with Lambert and Culverhouse, so wasnt going to happen
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Matt Lowton's Stoke goal from behind the goal!
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Matt Lowton's Stoke goal from behind the goal!
That is fantastic.
I could watch that over and over again.
OK so I will.
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Great stuff
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I like that "ohh!" just as he realises it's going in.
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Listening to Paul Lambert on the radio this morning, he told Neil Warnock that we definitely paid no more than a million for Lowton, now that's what I call a bargain.
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Has anybody got a link to his similar effort from earlier in the season?
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Both of them (remember to switch to HD!):
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Paul Lambert on Matt Lowton.
Paul Lambert has tipped Matt Lowton to come back strong after being left out of the side for the win at Norwich.
Boss Lambert revealed that Lowton wasn't injured at Carrow Road but was on the sidelines due to a slight dip in form.
Lowton was a revelation in the previous campaign, as he cemented himself as first-choice right-back in a season where he was a virtual ever-present.
Lambert thinks this consistently high form means you notice more keenly when he's not hitting those heights.
But the Villa boss thinks it's only a matter of time before he's back to his very best.
He said: "I have spoken to Matty.
"His level of performance for last year was extremely high. When you come off it a bit, it's probably more noticeable.
"I can't fault Matty. He played 40-odd games and he was extremely high in his consistency levels.
"It won't do him any harm as a young lad to be taken out of the firing line.
"But he will come back strong. If he plays against Tottenham, I know exactly what I'll get from him."
Lambert was very impressed with his replacement at Carrow Road - Leandro Bacuna .
Bacuna had probably his best game in claret and blue as he kept tricky Nathan Redmond quiet throughout the 90 minutes.
Bacuna has previously played as a right winger too - and Lambert likes his versatility.
He added: "He can play in a few roles which is great.
"He did excellently on Saturday against a little lad who has been going rally well for Norwich.I don't think he went by his once.
"The thing with Leo is he's really quick. He's a young guy, just here, but I am delighted with him."
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I can see both Lowton and Bacuna playing on the right side tonight; interchanging where necessary positionally.
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Didn't exactly set the world on fire last night. The one thing that exasperates me about him is how far he moves into the centre of the field. Often he is roughly in line with the penalty spot. Then if the opposition move the ball quickly out to their left wing who is in acres of space, he has all that ground to make up and cannot close him down quickly meaning his opponent has a clear run at him.
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Didn't exactly set the world on fire last night. The one thing that exasperates me about him is how far he moves into the centre of the field. Often he is roughly in line with the penalty spot. Then if the opposition move the ball quickly out to their left wing who is in acres of space, he has all that ground to make up and cannot close him down quickly meaning his opponent has a clear run at him.
The main problem I've had with Lowton since he join is his appalling positional play. He constantly finds himself out of position and has cost us a number of goals. He's not good enough.
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I agree that his positional play so far this season has been very poor. I am not sure what has happened to him, as he really developed last season and was absolutely excellent at times.
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I just think it's loss of form. He's young, and you'll always get that. He was pretty poor over Dec-Jan last season (as was almost everyone). I think he'll come good again. The way we set out, our fullbacks will leave a lot of gaps. If we've got decent cover from midfield, which we don't, we'll be okay. Likewise the lack of a really decent CB harms us too. Quality centerhalves can cover for fullbacks deficiencies. Defensive prowess isn't a pre-requisite of the modern day fully.
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I agree that his positional play so far this season has been very poor. I am not sure what has happened to him, as he really developed last season and was absolutely excellent at times.
FB positioning is also a function of the way they work with their CBs and their wide MF players.
I agree that the goals conceded against Newcastle (first goal) and Liverpool down our right were worrying.
I struggled with Lowton's poistioning in the early part of last season - he didn't seem to track his man very well and we conceded on his far post a few times.
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Anyone mentioned Lowton's face after the Man City win? He's smiling and looking happy with his fellow subs etc. then Lambert pats him on the shoulder and his face turns stone cold. Can't be happy with being dropped of course. Bacuna looking good so hard to see him getting back in
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He would do well to remember Lambert got him to this level.
Karim seems to be good buddies with him. Thought he was going to snog the face off him after his goal, such was his rush to get to the bench and one man only.
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Anyone mentioned Lowton's face after the Man City win? He's smiling and looking happy with his fellow subs etc. then Lambert pats him on the shoulder and his face turns stone cold. Can't be happy with being dropped of course. Bacuna looking good so hard to see him getting back in
Lambert pats him on the shoulder and says "you could have been part of that lad"!
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Good, for too long players have been able to coast because there was no-one else to replace them, Bacuna should be a warning to all of them that the player waiting his chance could see you out of the side for a long time.
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he will get his chance again. His habit of getting caught under crosses to the backpost last season was infuriating. Needs to work on that and his positioning as everyone has alluded to. very good player with the ball though.
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He is like a number of our defensive options, he is great going forward but simply put is not a good defender.
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I think he will come back stronger. He was excellent at times last season, and it is brilliant to actually be able to field other options.
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I think he will come back stronger. He was excellent at times last season, and it is brilliant to actually be able to field other options.
Hear hear.
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He's had a dip in form and some are judging him way too quickly. He was very good overall last year and excellent at times, scoring two of the best goals we've seen in a long, long time. He's a young kid, having stepped up two divisions and is finding the going a little tougher in season two. Just like Westwood is, and we've seen a number of other young players go through the same thing with us and practically all other teams. Let's not get on his back and question his attitude. I want players at the club that are unhappy to be dropped. Not like Carlos Cuellar or Habib Beye that are just pleased to picking up a PL salary irrespective of whether they play or not. If he's annoyed at not playing then it is up to him to come through it. Frankly given his pleasure in KEA scoring I didn't see any real evidence of him being a disruption to the team ethic we have at the club.
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Good player and he will get his chance again, competition for places is good and if our defenders pick up injuries we may well see him getting a run in centre defence at some stage .
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He's a good player who's lost form, he needs to work on his positioning but he's got plenty of talent.
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I tell you what, he looked pretty forlorn when he appeared to ask for Nasri's shirt. Only for Nasri to shake his head and point at Bacuna.
Ouch
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Lowton is a very good player. He will be working very hard to get his form back and I have no doubt he will succeed ...............
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We need the Matt Lowton back that we saw at home to Sunderland.
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If he is as good as some of you seem to think, and he has the right attitude, then he will be back in the 1st team soon.I'm not convinced of him defensively, i think he is more of a win back tbh, but if he does'nt like it , then good.We have had too many indulged footballers in recent times, fight and get your place back, prove your worth it.
I thought he was poor against Noooocastle, and thought he looked disinterested.
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I think he would be better suited as a wing back than as a conventional full back. He would be able and be expected to get forward more often using his pace to crossing ability and there would be a centre back covering part of the area he was responsible for, therefore not needing to go into the centre of the field which he does thus leaving his winger with acres of space.
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He's a good player. He's out of form. He needs to suck it up and fight for his place back. And when he gets the chance, take it. I want no player to be undroppable if they are out of form.
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Are people complaining that we have too many options for the RB slot??? Too tired to dig up the MoN era comments, but we can probably all remember them. I think this is what is known as "having a squad" something that it may take a little time to become adjusted to.
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He's a good player. He's out of form. He needs to suck it up and fight for his place back. And when he gets the chance, take it. I want no player to be undroppable if they are out of form.
Pretty much exactly my take on it.
Bacuna is doing well, but his versatility means Lowton may well get a crack soon as Bacuna could move back to midfield. KEA is doing well this season also, so plenty of options in the middle also with Westwood, Sylla and POTS to date Delph.
Options are great, aren't they?
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He's a good player. He's out of form. He needs to suck it up and fight for his place back. And when he gets the chance, take it. I want no player to be undroppable if they are out of form.
Pretty much exactly my take on it.
Bacuna is doing well, but his versatility means Lowton may well get a crack soon as Bacuna could move back to midfield. KEA is doing well this season also, so plenty of options in the middle also with Westwood, Sylla and POTS to date Delph.
Options are great, aren't they?
Indeed.
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Are people complaining that we have too many options for the RB slot??? Too tired to dig up the MoN era comments, but we can probably all remember them. I think this is what is known as "having a squad" something that it may take a little time to become adjusted to.
To put it into more recent context during the last transfer window a fair few - not unreasonably - wanted us to sign a reserve right back. If we had Bacuna would have probably only played the Liverpool match so far.
My point being that there are some benefits of having a slightly smaller squad as players will play more often, therefore feeling more engaged. Once you have a spare player for every position you get wastage and complacency and the over all the motivation and morale of the squad can decline. Admittedly it's a fine line but I think Lambert called it right in this instance as Bacuna is improving by the week and the club's saved the cash of a reserve right back (3m?).
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I found this article quite refreshing
Lowton blames himself for his poor form (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9034136?)
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Good lad. I thought he's done okay in the last few matches he's been in. He's looking a little more like his old self again. I do think if we bring him in, he got have a good partnership on the right with Bacuna.
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That's exactly the attitude we want, and need, at the club. No sulking, no whinging just buckle down. Couldn't see N'Zog or Hutton giving an interview like that.
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I found this article quite refreshing
Lowton blames himself for his poor form (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9034136?)
Great stuff, attitude absolutely spot on.
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I found this article quite refreshing
Lowton blames himself for his poor form (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9034136?)
Great stuff, attitude absolutely spot on.
Had a comment from an Arsenal fan in my office saying how good it was to see a player with this attitude, he really wants Lowton to do well for us now.
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Great attitude Matty, lets hope you return soon to what we all know you to be capable of.
After the Curtis Davies experience though, I get worried when I hear a frank and honest admission from a player because of the potential for it to become a stick to beat them with later.
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We wouldn't have beaten Cardiff without him. Knocking it onto Bacuna to run at their defence for the free-kick and also his instinctive header across goal for Kozak which completely threw the Cardiff defence.
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Great attitude Matty, lets hope you return soon to what we all know you to be capable of.
After the Curtis Davies experience though, I get worried when I hear a frank and honest admission from a player because of the potential for it to become a stick to beat them with later.
There is nothing in that to beat him with later. Just a frank admission that his standards have not been up to what we, and he, should expect.
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I thought it was very refreshing to see ML celebration with joy when we scored recently. I like the lad
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Yes, and celebrating the goal of the player who's taken his place.
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I've read this morning (albeit on twitter) that Mrs. Lowton is homesick and wants to move back up north. He's supposedly commuting to Brum, hence why he's fallen out of favour with Rab C Lambert.
Not sure of how genuine this is, if true it's amazing how Mrs. Lowton wasn't homesick when Matt was signing a new contract for more money.
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I've read this morning (albeit on twitter) that Mrs. Lowton is homesick and wants to move back up north. He's supposedly commuting to Brum, hence why he's fallen out of favour with Rab C Lambert.
Not sure of how genuine this is, if true it's amazing how Mrs. Lowton wasn't homesick when Matt was signing a new contract for more money.
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That sounds ridiculous. What if Matty ever won a move to Spain for mega bucks?
I think Lowton should be brought back in, Bacuna is dangerous from set pieces but he can be a bit of a plodder by times.
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Lowton is the best crosser of the ball at the club and reads the game very well.
I wonder if Benteke's missing him?
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I would bring him back and get Bacuna further forward, probably in place of Weimann.
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I've read this morning (albeit on twitter) that Mrs. Lowton is homesick and wants to move back up north. He's supposedly commuting to Brum, hence why he's fallen out of favour with Rab C Lambert.
Not sure of how genuine this is, if true it's amazing how Mrs. Lowton wasn't homesick when Matt was signing a new contract for more money.
There's more on this on the other site if you go on his thread.
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T be honest Sheffield isn't that far away. I'd have thought they could settle in somewhere in between fairly easily. Say Derbyshire
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Is the lady in question not Welsh ?
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Ashbourne etc 1 hour from brum and
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Yep or even round by Derby. Get on the A38 and Bodymoor's only about 45 minutes away. I'm not sure exactly what lambert's rules are regarding how far away players can live.
When MON was manager I'm sure the likes of Heskey, Friedel and Dunne were coming in from Cheshire or their family homes remained there.
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He deserves a run in the side again , for me .
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We've got 3 games in 8 days so I expect a bit of rotation which should see Lowton involved at some point.
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Sheffield is not far really. Somewhere between the 2 would be well under an hour either way.
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He's been treated a little harshly I think. Whilst he hasn't hit the form of last season, he's hardly been terrible.
I'd like to see him and Bacuna down the right. Did the trick against Cardiff.
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Yep or even round by Derby. Get on the A38 and Bodymoor's only about 45 minutes away. I'm not sure exactly what lambert's rules are regarding how far away players can live.
When MON was manager I'm sure the likes of Heskey, Friedel and Dunne were coming in from Cheshire or their family homes remained there.
He should be playing at right back in my view.
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T be honest Sheffield isn't that far away. I'd have thought they could settle in somewhere in between fairly easily. Say Derbyshire
It's quite a way if you have to drive it every day, and then be physically extremely active at the training ground.
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Yep or even round by Derby. Get on the A38 and Bodymoor's only about 45 minutes away. I'm not sure exactly what lambert's rules are regarding how far away players can live.
When MON was manager I'm sure the likes of Heskey, Friedel and Dunne were coming in from Cheshire or their family homes remained there.
MON was hardly the shining example when it came to any form of squad discipline, though.
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Coincidentally, a tweet from his brother, from last night.
Glenn Lowton @glenn_lowt 2 Dec
@SILK1874 dint go there last year! Off ti bed anyway bro, gotta take our Mattie down Birmingham at 7:30! Might see you Wednesday Night #UTV
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T be honest Sheffield isn't that far away. I'd have thought they could settle in somewhere in between fairly easily. Say Derbyshire
It's quite a way if you have to drive it every day, and then be physically extremely active at the training ground.
From what I'm led to believe the club (allegedly) found out by other means that Lowton was not using his house in four oaks - if he had told lambert in person maybe it would have been looked on more favourably .
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Coincidentally, a tweet from his brother, from last night.
Glenn Lowton @glenn_lowt 2 Dec
@SILK1874 dint go there last year! Off ti bed anyway bro, gotta take our Mattie down Birmingham at 7:30! Might see you Wednesday Night #UTV
he he he, The tweet is written a bit like the book Trainspotting but in Yorkshire.
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T be honest Sheffield isn't that far away. I'd have thought they could settle in somewhere in between fairly easily. Say Derbyshire
It's quite a way if you have to drive it every day, and then be physically extremely active at the training ground.
From what I'm led to believe the club (allegedly) found out by other means that Lowton was not using his house in four oaks - if he had told lambert in person maybe it would have been looked on more favourably .
That rumour is on a freely available public forum on another website currently.
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T be honest Sheffield isn't that far away. I'd have thought they could settle in somewhere in between fairly easily. Say Derbyshire
It's quite a way if you have to drive it every day, and then be physically extremely active at the training ground.
From what I'm led to believe the club (allegedly) found out by other means that Lowton was not using his house in four oaks - if he had told lambert in person maybe it would have been looked on more favourably .
That rumour is on a freely available public forum on another website currently.
"Sky sports understands..."
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I would have thought if lambert was that pissed off about it he would have dropped him completely - it is true that Lowton has looked poor in the early games and he has admitted as much himself - I think its down to him to impress in training and win his place back and I think he will do - an on form Lowton is a valuable member of our side .
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Matt Lowton is getting closer to a recall to Villa’s starting line-up after Paul Lambert denied there was any rift between himself and the right-back.
Lowton was a virtual ever-present for the claret and blues during an impressive breakthrough season in 2012-13, but has been used sparingly so far this term.
Despite starting the campaign in the first XI, the 24-year-old full-back has had to settle for a bit-part role since losing his place to Leandro Bacuna.
Lowton has been used as a substitute in games, including the victories over Cardiff and Southampton and Sunday’s defeat to Fulham at Craven Cottage.
But, even with Villa in the grip of a mini defensive injury crisis, Lowton has been unable to win his way back into Lambert’s starting line-up regularly.
He started the first four games of the season and was recalled briefly for the draw at West Ham, but overall has been restricted to five starts and three substitute appearances in the league and one start in the Capital One Cup.
Chris Herd was preferred in central defence at the weekend for his first action in 11 months, with captain Ron Vlaar (calf) and Antonio Luna (groin) joining Joe Bennett and Jores Okore on the casualty list.
Lambert admitted earlier in the season that Lowton’s high standards from last season had fallen, but the manager insists he has no problem with the former Sheffield United defender.
Bacuna’s form has dipped in the past few matches and the Dutch utility man’s disappointing display at Fulham was highlighted by Match of the Day pundit Alan Hansen on Sunday evening.
It leaves Lambert with a dilemma over who to play at right-back when the claret and blues attempt to bounce back against mid-table rivals Manchester United at Villa Park this weekend.
“I’ve spoken to him,” said Lambert.
“I speak to him every day, and he’s not far away (from a recall).
“Bacuna has been playing well and when Matty came on at Fulham he did fine. He is not too far away from getting back in. I’ll decide next weekend.
“I’ve never had any problems with any of them, it’s just a decision I have to make which I think is right.”
Lambert will have to make one enforced change against David Moyes’ out-of-sorts side with Fabian Delph serving a one-match ban.
Delph picked up his fifth yellow card of the season at Fulham, having also been booked against Liverpool, Newcastle and Tottenham in the Premier League as well as Rotherham in the Capital One Cup.
It is a blow for Villa and for Delph, who has recently returned from a two-match injury lay-off, because the 24-year-old midfielder has been among Villa’s most consistent players this season.
Lambert admits Delph has tried to pick and time his tackles more carefully recently, but remains at risk of being cautioned because of his combative style of play.
“He plays the game that way and can’t curtail it, that’s the way he plays and he’ll miss the game,” added Lambert.
“I don’t think he was as brash as he was. He has maturity and experience and he has learnt that side of the game. He has been good for me so we’ll go again.”
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I like how Lambert is talking about a player and can still fit in "we go again."
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I like how Lambert is talking about a player and can still fit in "we go again."
I bet he fucking loves Monopoly.
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I like how Lambert is talking about a player and can still fit in "we go again."
I bet he fucking loves Monopoly.
lol.
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I like how Lambert is talking about a player and can still fit in "we go again."
I bet he fucking loves Monopoly.
lol.
He should steer clear of Angry Birds. It'd be a scene reminiscent of Cartman shitting into a bowl while playing WoW.
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Its possible that this is more about man-management than an on-going reaction to Lowton's early season form. It is possible that Lambert knows that he will come back hungrier, better, and determined not to be dropped again. The trick is when you put him back in for it work. It also is a direct assessment of Lambert's whole football philosophy. We are told that he wants young hungry players. Now he's got a chance to show us that it works. And, this Sunday is as good a time as any now I reckon.
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I'm very much in the pro-Lambert camp, but if Lowton doesn't get back in as RB soon I'm going to start seriously questioning his sanity.
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I think he'll start against Man U and Luna will return to LB. Baker and Clark in the middle if Vlaar can't go. Bacuna will replace Delph in the middle. I'd like to see Sylla in there.
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I think he'll start against Man U and Luna will return to LB. Baker and Clark in the middle if Vlaar can't go. Bacuna will replace Delph in the middle. I'd like to see Sylla in there.
We could play Bacuna and Sylla and drop Weimann? Personally I'd rather Weimann than Sylla though.
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If Lowton cant get back in to the team after Bacuna giving such a good lesson v Fulham in how not to be a full back then there must be something going on that we don't know about.
I would push Bacuna further forward and bring Lowton back.
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I think he'll start against Man U and Luna will return to LB. Baker and Clark in the middle if Vlaar can't go. Bacuna will replace Delph in the middle. I'd like to see Sylla in there.
This is the team I would go with - with Sylla in ahead of Weimann.
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I'd like to see Bacuna get a few games in Weimann's position, I reckon he could do well there.
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I'd like to see Bacuna get a few games in Weimann's position, I reckon he could do well there.
I can't see how it would make things worse, so nothing really to lose.
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
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Weimann is woefully out of form and must be dropped. Bacuna at wide right and Lowton at right back. Even a blind man can see it.
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Wiemann showed against WBA that he can be a decent option from the bench, and then showed against Fulham that he's currently completely anonymous when starting.
You do the math.
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Wiemann showed against WBA that he can be a decent option from the bench, and then showed against Fulham that he's currently completely anonymous when starting.
You do the math.
But Sylla's last showing against West Brom was woeful, I've been less impressed with him this season out of the 3 of them so I'd have Weimann and Bacuna in and leave Sylla out. Weiman had a cracking game V Man U at home last season.
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
Commented where? She needs to remember Villa pay for them to lead a good fucking life, footballers wives should be seen but not heard
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
Commented where? She needs to remember Villa pay for them to lead a good fucking life, footballers wives should be seen but not heard
Twitter, so I believe.
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Stupid woman, where else is he going to earn Ł20k + week. That fucking stupid wife of Colin Doyle at Blues is as bad, Always having a go because he's not playing. The fact that he's a shit keeper has no bearing on the matter
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Does anyone give a tinker's cuss what Lowton's wife thinks anyway? Apart from him of course. How utterly pointless.
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
Commented where? She needs to remember Villa pay for them to lead a good fucking life, footballers wives should be seen but not heard
Twitter, so I believe.
Did you notice this or did someone tell you it had been said?, only the last bit is vague
She's entitled to her opinion regardless. Just because she's a footballers wife it doesn't mean she should button it and stay in the kitchen. If Lowton himself had said something then fair enough, we employ him not her.
Anyway, there's no way he wont start on Sunday surely. Looking forward to getting him back in the side
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
Commented where? She needs to remember Villa pay for them to lead a good fucking life, footballers wives should be seen but not heard
Twitter, so I believe.
Did you notice this or did someone tell you it had been said?, only the last bit is vague
She's entitled to her opinion regardless. Just because she's a footballers wife it doesn't mean she should button it and stay in the kitchen. If Lowton himself had said something then fair enough, we employ him not her.
Anyway, there's no way he wont start on Sunday surely. Looking forward to getting him back in the side
I heard about it and checked for myself - the upheaval of his wife being unsettled and a new baby imminent may have contributed to his loss of form , who knows , different players react to things in different ways.
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Twitter sometimes has a lot to answer for.
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If she doesn't like it, maybe she should hand back the keys to her Evoke and find somebody with a 9-5 job?
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Not sure what anyone has seen that suggests Bacuna has any of the qualities to do the job that Weimann does. Iagree that weimann looks poor and may be dropped. If Kozac is fit I thinkhe'd play.
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How many babbies does Lowts have?
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
Commented where? She needs to remember Villa pay for them to lead a good fucking life, footballers wives should be seen but not heard
What a ridiculous attitude. I don't care how much you earn, I think it's entirely understandable that a woman who has just given birth would be upset to see the father of her child have to disappear to go and sit on the bench and do nothing.
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
Commented where? She needs to remember Villa pay for them to lead a good fucking life, footballers wives should be seen but not heard
What a ridiculous attitude. I don't care how much you earn, I think it's entirely understandable that a woman who has just given birth would be upset to see the father of her child have to disappear to go and sit on the bench and do nothing.
Isn't it part of the deal, though?
They have to put up with being played or not played from one week to the next. They have to do stuff like train on Christmas Day, too. Stuff you or I don't have to do.
It doesn't strike me as that bad a deal in return for a million pound salary.
It isn't even that big a deal in the context of football - you often hear about players missing the births of their children because they're off playing in some tournament or other.
At the end of the day, it's a job. An exceptionally well paid one which is almost entirely about positives. They get a remarkably good life in return for what they put in.
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I'm sorry but if you marry a bloke who is or aspires to be a professional athlete, and especially one at or near the top level of the game then you better not complain at his schedule which quite frankly is the furthest thing from your bog standard 9-5. If weekends are valuable or holidays then marry a bloke who works to that schedule. If not, take it on the chin and enjoy the perks that come with being married to a man who earns way in excess of the national average. It's a choice. Nobody put a gun to her head when she met him. Harsh, I realize but for most regular folk it's a tremendous trade off.
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There's also no guarantee when he went off and made himself available for work that he'd have stayed on the bench, either.
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He's a Sheffield lad who was playing for a Sheffield team. Then he took the big move but perhaps nobody explained what that would mean. For her it's got to be hard. She chose to be with him, not the Villa. To be fair, it didn't look like he was going to suddenly go from Div Three to the top division.
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I'd imagine that sort of situation happens at Sheffield United too, mind.
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
Commented where? She needs to remember Villa pay for them to lead a good fucking life, footballers wives should be seen but not heard
What a ridiculous attitude. I don't care how much you earn, I think it's entirely understandable that a woman who has just given birth would be upset to see the father of her child have to disappear to go and sit on the bench and do nothing.
Isn't it part of the deal, though?
They have to put up with being played or not played from one week to the next. They have to do stuff like train on Christmas Day, too. Stuff you or I don't have to do.
It doesn't strike me as that bad a deal in return for a million pound salary.
It isn't even that big a deal in the context of football - you often hear about players missing the births of their children because they're off playing in some tournament or other.
At the end of the day, it's a job. An exceptionally well paid one which is almost entirely about positives. They get a remarkably good life in return for what they put in.
It's her having her husband by her side immediately after giving birth not her missing out on a shopping trip. It's really not that hard to understand she's likely to be a tad emotional.
If Lowts chose to go to the match then she should take it up with him. If he asked for time off, had that request denied, and then ended up sitting on the bench I can understand why she/he is pissed off. Some things are worth more than money and it wouldn't have been that hard for the club to show a bit of common sense.
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Starts today.
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Starts today.
Did five minutes work, knocked off.
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Did 'alright'
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I thought he played okay today, still a shadow of his former self though.
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He's the same player as he was last year, he still makes exactly the same defensive errors.
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
Commented where? She needs to remember Villa pay for them to lead a good fucking life, footballers wives should be seen but not heard
What a ridiculous attitude. I don't care how much you earn, I think it's entirely understandable that a woman who has just given birth would be upset to see the father of her child have to disappear to go and sit on the bench and do nothing.
Isn't it part of the deal, though?
They have to put up with being played or not played from one week to the next. They have to do stuff like train on Christmas Day, too. Stuff you or I don't have to do.
It doesn't strike me as that bad a deal in return for a million pound salary.
It isn't even that big a deal in the context of football - you often hear about players missing the births of their children because they're off playing in some tournament or other.
At the end of the day, it's a job. An exceptionally well paid one which is almost entirely about positives. They get a remarkably good life in return for what they put in.
It's her having her husband by her side immediately after giving birth not her missing out on a shopping trip. It's really not that hard to understand she's likely to be a tad emotional.
If Lowts chose to go to the match then she should take it up with him. If he asked for time off, had that request denied, and then ended up sitting on the bench I can understand why she/he is pissed off. Some things are worth more than money and it wouldn't have been that hard for the club to show a bit of common sense.
I understand her being a bit emotional, but he's paid a lot of money to do a job. He might have needed to come off the bench, so the fact he didn't start is neither here nor there.
I certainly don't think it's a good idea to start talking about it on Twitter, either.
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He's the same player as he was last year, he still makes exactly the same defensive errors.
That's the thing.
He did well towards the end of last season, but for most of last year, the general consensus of opinion on here was that he was poor defensively, which seems to have been forgotten.
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He's the same player as he was last year, he still makes exactly the same defensive errors.
That's the thing.
He did well towards the end of last season, but for most of last year, the general consensus of opinion on here was that he was poor defensively, which seems to have been forgotten.
He's not doing the good work at the other end of the pitch to mask the defensive shite. In all honesty I thought his goal against Stoke last season was the turning point, the kicker which eventually kept us up. At that point we were trudging along a bit cluelessly in the game and if anything Stoke looked the more likely to score next. For me that goal added a couple of points to his season score card at the time. If that perhaps meant overlooking more of the negative aspects, who knows. Perhaps.
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He's the same player as he was last year, he still makes exactly the same defensive errors.
That's the thing.
He did well towards the end of last season, but for most of last year, the general consensus of opinion on here was that he was poor defensively, which seems to have been forgotten.
That goal and a few decent performances largely going forward masked the fact that he is defensively naive and loses concentration at key moments. There is a player in there though.
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He played well today, I thought.
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I thouht he played well too.
So much for Villa Talk and all the gossip hawks.
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If we get him back playing well regularly it can only help.
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There was a move in the second half when he played the ball into Weimann and went past him to pick up the lay off.
I sat there and thought that was exactly what had been missing from our play this season.
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There was a move in the second half when he played the ball into Weimann and went past him to pick up the lay off.
I sat there and thought that was exactly what had been missing from our play this season.
And indeed Lowton's play when he's been in the team. If he's returning to form it would be very welcome in time for the Christmas pile-up.
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There was a move in the second half when he played the ball into Weimann and went past him to pick up the lay off.
I sat there and thought that was exactly what had been missing from our play this season.
And indeed Lowton's play when he's been in the team. If he's returning to form it would be very welcome in time for the Christmas pile-up.
Absolutely.
My imagination went on to see a partnership between him and Albrighton that could work really well, as his overlapping would make space for Marc to pick his cross
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There was a move in the second half when he played the ball into Weimann and went past him to pick up the lay off.
I sat there and thought that was exactly what had been missing from our play this season.
And indeed Lowton's play when he's been in the team. If he's returning to form it would be very welcome in time for the Christmas pile-up.
Absolutely.
My imagination went on to see a partnership between him and Albrighton that could work really well, as his overlapping would make space for Marc to pick his cross
Albrighton played well rnough to keep his place for the Stoke game. And the midfield was poor enough that Delph will come back in and Bacuna should also get a run in the centre.
Guzan
Lowton
Clark
Baker
Luna
Bacuna
Westwood
Delph
Super Marc
Benteke (actually, possibly Kozak)
Gabby
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When is Vlaar out until? If ages, I agree with that team John.
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is Gabby out for storrke ?
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is Gabby out for storrke ?
He's suspended.
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is Gabby out for storrke ?
Yes suspended
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is Gabby out for storrke ?
Yes suspended
So left side will be ????
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There was a move in the second half when he played the ball into Weimann and went past him to pick up the lay off.
I sat there and thought that was exactly what had been missing from our play this season.
And indeed Lowton's play when he's been in the team. If he's returning to form it would be very welcome in time for the Christmas pile-up.
Absolutely.
My imagination went on to see a partnership between him and Albrighton that could work really well, as his overlapping would make space for Marc to pick his cross
Albrighton played well rnough to keep his place for the Stoke game. And the midfield was poor enough that Delph will come back in and Bacuna should also get a run in the centre.
Guzan
Lowton
Clark
Baker
Luna
Bacuna
Westwood
Delph
Super Marc
Benteke (actually, possibly Kozak)
Gabby
Possibly a touch overloaded on the right, with Lowton, Bacuna & Albrighton all running the right wing.
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Hopefully Bacuna would be allowed to play as an orthodox central midfielder and not be allotted a 'side', as Lambert has mysteriously done to Sylla recently.
Shame about the Gabster, but Weimann has a point to prove and has played his best this season when in Gabby's position on the left, cutting in towards goal onto his right foot.
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Please God let it be Bacuna, Delph and Westy in the middle, I'm fed up of KEA and Sylla this season. Front 3 is more difficult, I think on balance I'd play Weimann Benteke and Kozak.
Was disturbed to hear Lambo say Herd was set to start against Utd but had a facial injury, I guess Lowton would not have played again if Herd was fit, so I half expect Herd back in for Lowton against Stoke.
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Was disturbed to hear Lambo say Herd was set to start against Utd but had a facial injury, I guess Lowton would not have played again if Herd was fit, so I half expect Herd back in for Lowton against Stoke.
Nah he would've gone 3-5-2 with Herd as one of the CBs. Albrighton was the surprise inclusion.
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I noticed his mrs commented on him having to leave his one hour old baby last week to join up with the squad and then be on the bench .
Commented where? She needs to remember Villa pay for them to lead a good fucking life, footballers wives should be seen but not heard
What a ridiculous attitude. I don't care how much you earn, I think it's entirely understandable that a woman who has just given birth would be upset to see the father of her child have to disappear to go and sit on the bench and do nothing.
Isn't it part of the deal, though?
They have to put up with being played or not played from one week to the next. They have to do stuff like train on Christmas Day, too. Stuff you or I don't have to do.
It doesn't strike me as that bad a deal in return for a million pound salary.
It isn't even that big a deal in the context of football - you often hear about players missing the births of their children because they're off playing in some tournament or other.
At the end of the day, it's a job. An exceptionally well paid one which is almost entirely about positives. They get a remarkably good life in return for what they put in.
It's her having her husband by her side immediately after giving birth not her missing out on a shopping trip. It's really not that hard to understand she's likely to be a tad emotional.
If Lowts chose to go to the match then she should take it up with him. If he asked for time off, had that request denied, and then ended up sitting on the bench I can understand why she/he is pissed off. Some things are worth more than money and it wouldn't have been that hard for the club to show a bit of common sense.
At some point in life many people have to make a choice between work and family. Usually, putting work before the family is for the future greater good of the family. In the past I have worked as an expat overseas and missed the birth of both of my kids by 6 hours and 1 day respectively. My wife wanted to be with her family for the births and moved back to her village for a month prior to the births. Both times I took 10 days off work to be with her but was unable to stay on and went back to work. The future of our family depended on me working and my wife would not have had it any other way.
In no way did my wages get anywhere near Lowton's but he made a choice about his career, just as I did. He has a short career to set himself and his family up for life. It is necessary for him to make sacrifices and his wife should be tactful with her comments.
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There's a difference with being an ex-pat overseas and an hour away.
He doesn't need to be away, that's the whole point, it's a stupid club rule. Imagine how much more motivated he might be if he gets to spend time with his wife and child and is happy and content.
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There's a difference with being an ex-pat overseas and an hour away.
He doesn't need to be away, that's the whole point, it's a stupid club rule. Imagine how much more motivated he might be if he gets to spend time with his wife and child and is happy and content.
Exactly. And it's a different matter if he was a 1st team regular or even ended up coming off the bench.
A bit of common sense on both sides would've avoided it completely.
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What game did this all stem from anyway?
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There's a difference with being an ex-pat overseas and an hour away.
He doesn't need to be away, that's the whole point, it's a stupid club rule. Imagine how much more motivated he might be if he gets to spend time with his wife and child and is happy and content.
I don't understand, what's the hour away thing?
He was on the bench, we were playing a match. It makes every bit of difference that he might have had to come on. He didn't, but there's no knowing what might have happened in the match - what if Bacuna had gone off injured?
People who do very highly paid jobs often have to put up with certain ways of working which will seem over-the-top to most people. I don't think expecting a player to be present at the match and on the bench if he's in the match day squad is that extreme a thing to ask.
It's not as if he was forced to miss the birth, is it?
It sounds like his Mrs was annoyed he had to go to work but wasn't called off the bench. The thing is, Lambert might not have used him, but couldn't have said he wasn't needed prior to the match, because he didn't know if that was going to be the case.
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Could'nt agree more with any of that Paulie. Earning a small fortune comes with it's sacrifices.
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You wonder if Mrs Lowton has a stopwatch as she's watching the games to see how many minutes her little lad gets and how many touches of the ball Lambert gives him. If it's under a certain amount she calls for a meeting.
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I've heard she is taking driving lessons from Shaun Teale's wife.
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According to Mr Kendrick he was left on the bench today for 'disciplinary reasons'.
*BASELESS SPECULATION* Probably still trying to live in Sheffield against orders from the management*BASELESS SPECULATION*
If true he needs to get his head in gear, he keeps up with this then Lambert will sell him, and to be honest he'd deserve it.
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If it is disciplinary then it's crazy of lowton. Second division player given a chance at a historic giant playing in front of a Big crowd each week, you could make your name. I'd make my missus move into an airing cupboard at the villa for that opportunity.
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Silly boy if that is the case.
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Very silly if true, and a quick way to find yourself out. Naughton rumours might gather pace.
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He's not good enough defensively anyway. If he's going to mess around then he won't be around for long.
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He's not been right all season, even if this business does not end with him leaving getting another fullback can only add to competition for that position.
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Not even on the bench tonight.
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I would suggest that going on Twitter is the daftest thing either of them could do. New baby, everybody is on their side.
Snidey comments about work, forget it.
Reminds me of Mrs Upson.
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Brian Doogan on Twitter.
Read from bottom up, obv:
"He'll be available for selection for our next game against West Brom a week on Wednesday." 4/4 #avfc
"Matt was late for training yesterday & he's been disciplined by the Club. He'll come in for training on Monday & that's it now dealt with.
..he will train on Monday as normal & will be available for selection for our next game against West Brom, January 29. The manager said: 2/4
To clarify, Matt Lowton was late for training on Friday and he's been disciplined. The manager said the matter has been dealt with ... 1/4
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Typical, it never used to be like this.
Savo spitting at fans, Bosnich being named on the bench and going awol, Carew at the rocket club.
Now when a player's in trouble, its because they're late?!?
how far have we fallen.. etc etc
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I am having a hard time understanding this.
If their new baby has problems, and I have heard nothing to suggest this, then the Club would be supportive. (Difficult to imagine any other reaction, given common humanity, not to mention the link with Acorns.)
Did she think that her husband would always play around Sheffield?
When he got his big break into the Premiership with the Villa, what the hell did she expect? Weekend trips?
Grow up!!! My family has moved all over the place with jobs, for generations. It's normal.
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Typical, it never used to be like this.
Savo spitting at fans, Bosnich being named on the bench and going awol, Carew at the rocket club.
Now when a player's in trouble, its because they're late?!?
how far have we fallen.. etc etc
You think being late is ok?
I don't. Fuck them. No matter who you are. Perfect managing from PL.
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Typical, it never used to be like this.
Savo spitting at fans, Bosnich being named on the bench and going awol, Carew at the rocket club.
Now when a player's in trouble, its because they're late?!?
how far have we fallen.. etc etc
You think being late is ok?
I don't. Fuck them. No matter who you are. Perfect managing from PL.
It was a joke. (apologies it wasn't funny)
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Why do we feel the need to share this shit on twitter?
Brian Doogan can blow it out if his arse. Tweet that you idiot.
Rant over.
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You have a husband earning Łthousands per week. You have resources, woman! Use them!
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Still got reservations about Lowton's defending and Bertrand's performance tonight highlighted how weak we have been in the full back areas the past few seasons.
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I am having a hard time understanding this.
If their new baby has problems, and I have heard nothing to suggest this, then the Club would be supportive. (Difficult to imagine any other reaction, given common humanity, not to mention the link with Acorns.)
Did she think that her husband would always play around Sheffield?
When he got his big break into the Premiership with the Villa, what the hell did she expect? Weekend trips?
Grow up!!! My family has moved all over the place with jobs, for generations. It's normal.
You're being far too rational and intelligent - obviously not a footballer-wife, Louise!!
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Typical, it never used to be like this.
Savo spitting at fans, Bosnich being named on the bench and going awol, Carew at the rocket club.
Now when a player's in trouble, its because they're late?!?
how far have we fallen.. etc etc
You think being late is ok?
I don't. Fuck them. No matter who you are. Perfect managing from PL.
Wooah think there's a joke been missed here!
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How late was he and did he have a legitimate reason for it?
Seems like a bit of an overreaction to drop him for being late once.
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How late was he and did he have a legitimate reason for it?
Seems like a bit of an overreaction to drop him for being late once.
How do you know he has only been late once?
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How late was he and did he have a legitimate reason for it?
Seems like a bit of an overreaction to drop him for being late once.
How do you know he has only been late once?
I don't. I'm just speculating.
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He has been poor this season and you have to wonder if he has an attitude problem. I think Lambert did exactly the right thing
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Glad to see he wasn't late for the snooker final, they don't like you turning up whilst they are playing.
I always thought squads sign up to a disciplinary code at the start of a season? If he breached it he gets punished, end of!
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How late was he and did he have a legitimate reason for it?
Seems like a bit of an overreaction to drop him for being late once.
I thought there was a problem with him commuting from Sheffield against the manager's wishes. So if he is doing that and subsequently was late it wouldn't go down well.
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Message to Mrs Lowton: Insist your husband demands a move back to Sheffield United. I'm sure the subsequent huge drop in salary from Premier League level to that of League One would be a small price to pay to have your Matty closer at hand. Alternatively, fucking move house to the Birmingham area. Your husband is on a million pound salary - you can afford it!
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We need him back Bacuna is no right back
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Message to Mrs Lowton: Insist your husband demands a move back to Sheffield United. I'm sure the subsequent huge drop in salary from Premier League level to that of League One would be a small price to pay to have your Matty closer at hand. Alternatively, fucking move house to the Birmingham area. Your husband is on a million pound salary - you can afford it!
She obviously had no qualms about him travelling to London to watch the masters snooker final with Bowery today.
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Sounds like a nothing. He wont be the first or last new Father to turn up late for work after a sleepless night i'm sure
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Disagree UKTS, Lowton is an absolute liability at RB, Bacuna was very good defensively yday.
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Message to Mrs Lowton: Insist your husband demands a move back to Sheffield United. I'm sure the subsequent huge drop in salary from Premier League level to that of League One would be a small price to pay to have your Matty closer at hand. Alternatively, fucking move house to the Birmingham area. Your husband is on a million pound salary - you can afford it!
Perhaps a woman of (and I'm guessing) around 22 with her first pregnancy prefers to be near her parents than in a new city where she doesn't know many people, and her husband not only works but is busy every weekend?
Just a thought.
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Disagree UKTS, Lowton is an absolute liability at RB, Bacuna was very good defensively yday.
We need a new right backk. Neither look good enough to me
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Message to Mrs Lowton: Insist your husband demands a move back to Sheffield United. I'm sure the subsequent huge drop in salary from Premier League level to that of League One would be a small price to pay to have your Matty closer at hand. Alternatively, fucking move house to the Birmingham area. Your husband is on a million pound salary - you can afford it!
Perhaps a woman of (and I'm guessing) around 22 with her first pregnancy prefers to be near her parents than in a new city where she doesn't know many people, and her husband not only works but is busy every weekend?
Just a thought.
You come across as a very understanding man Matt, and your points are valid. However Mrs Lowton entered a relationship with a footballer. She, I assume, decided to have a child with a footballer. Footballers have always had to go to work at weekends. They also invariably change employer every few years. She should be very grateful her husband got a huge career move with the new employer being only 60 miles away.
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Sounds like a nothing. He wont be the first or last new Father to turn up late for work after a sleepless night i'm sure
I've got twins who are now two. I never showed up late for work and I get in around 7.30 and my wife and I had plenty of rough nights. I'm sure my employer wouldn't take kindly to me showing up at 8.30. Footballers have rules that need to be applied with consistency. It's one thing making some allowances as an agreed exception but if he broke rules, then it stands to reason he should be held accountable. I'd be shocked if the club just slapped him with a suspension if this was the first time, or in a manner suggesting a lack of compassion.
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Message to Mrs Lowton: Insist your husband demands a move back to Sheffield United. I'm sure the subsequent huge drop in salary from Premier League level to that of League One would be a small price to pay to have your Matty closer at hand. Alternatively, fucking move house to the Birmingham area. Your husband is on a million pound salary - you can afford it!
Perhaps a woman of (and I'm guessing) around 22 with her first pregnancy prefers to be near her parents than in a new city where she doesn't know many people, and her husband not only works but is busy every weekend?
Just a thought.
It's not their first child,but their 3rd one -
also it seems it's the first time he's been late for training since joining the club -
@higgins_abi: To clear up rumour.... Matt was late to trainin (ONCE) on friday due to a crash causing the motorway he was on to be closed! Nothin else
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Can people on twitter correct her spelling please?
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Here's the deal lambo doesn't take shit. Its what makes him villa boss. Lowton learning . It's dealt with we move on
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@QuestionsCraig: @RonVlaar4 and @matt_lowts at the Alexandra Palace watching the Masters Snooker Final #avfc #ThirdEye http://t.co/YXSHgMWk4B
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Message to Mrs Lowton: Insist your husband demands a move back to Sheffield United. I'm sure the subsequent huge drop in salary from Premier League level to that of League One would be a small price to pay to have your Matty closer at hand. Alternatively, fucking move house to the Birmingham area. Your husband is on a million pound salary - you can afford it!
Perhaps a woman of (and I'm guessing) around 22 with her first pregnancy prefers to be near her parents than in a new city where she doesn't know many people, and her husband not only works but is busy every weekend?
Just a thought.
You come across as a very understanding man Matt, and your points are valid. However Mrs Lowton entered a relationship with a footballer. She, I assume, decided to have a child with a footballer. Footballers have always had to go to work at weekends. They also invariably change employer every few years. She should be very grateful her husband got a huge career move with the new employer being only 60 miles away.
Indeed. If it had have been atletico Madrid had have signed him I'm pretty sure she'd be chilling in Plaza Major and not stuck in Yorkshire.
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@MatKendrick: Matt late on: Matt Lowton fined a week's wages by #avfc after traffic jam delayed his arrival at training http://t.co/zKuv7rzIaI
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@QuestionsCraig: @RonVlaar4 and @matt_lowts at the Alexandra Palace watching the Masters Snooker Final #avfc #ThirdEye http://t.co/YXSHgMWk4B
Bowery's with them as well. It looks like they got freebies from Dafabet who are sponsoring the competition.
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Do the Dutch even play snooker? Vlaar must be bored to tears.
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The only way you could get me to watch a game of snooker would be to kidnap my family and hold them hostage. Even then I'd have a good think about it
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Do the Dutch even play snooker? Vlaar must be bored to tears.
I've seen him at snooker before watching jimmy white at bedworth civic hall- seems to be a big fan.
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Any idea if the fact Dafabet sponsoring the snooker meant we sent players there officially as part of our deal, or whether they were just taking advantage of freebies? Hope it doesn't make them late tomorrow!
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Maybe Mrs Lowton might be happier if her husband packed up playing this nasty football malarkey and went to work driving a van, his employer might still not take kindly to him turning up late mind, and she might need to swap the Gucci bags for George at Asda ones, and no one would give fuck about her bleatings on Twitter. Still I'm sure it will all be worth it.
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TBF, if the M1 is closed/jammed then what's he supposed to do? I'm sure plenty of posters on here have set off to work to find their route buggered and all you can do is phone and give your apologies. It's a bit different to turning up late because he stayed in bed or simply couldn't be arsed.
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TBF, if the M1 is closed/jammed then what's he supposed to do? I'm sure plenty of posters on here have set off to work to find their route buggered and all you can do is phone and give your apologies. It's a bit different to turning up late because he stayed in bed or simply couldn't be arsed.
The manager will probably point out that it wouldn't have happened if he lived down here. I know I would.
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TBF, if the M1 is closed/jammed then what's he supposed to do? I'm sure plenty of posters on here have set off to work to find their route buggered and all you can do is phone and give your apologies. It's a bit different to turning up late because he stayed in bed or simply couldn't be arsed.
Live closer like the rest of the players, then he would have been on time like they were.
You can't have one rule for one and one rule for the rest.
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Do the Dutch even play snooker? Vlaar must be bored to tears.
I just googled Vlaar snooker, and there's a lot of evidence that he's snooker nuts.
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Snooker loopy if you will.
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The Dutch are gagging for it.
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@QuestionsCraig: @RonVlaar4 and @matt_lowts at the Alexandra Palace watching the Masters Snooker Final #avfc #ThirdEye http://t.co/YXSHgMWk4B
Bowery's with them as well. It looks like they got freebies from Dafabet who are sponsoring the competition.
Looks more like a court room trial than entertainment. All so bloody serious.
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TBF, if the M1 is closed/jammed then what's he supposed to do? I'm sure plenty of posters on here have set off to work to find their route buggered and all you can do is phone and give your apologies. It's a bit different to turning up late because he stayed in bed or simply couldn't be arsed.
He might add that it's never happened before and you could live in B'ham or its surrounding area and get caught in a traffic jam.
Live closer like the rest of the players, then he would have been on time like they were.
You can't have one rule for one and one rule for the rest.
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TBF, if the M1 is closed/jammed then what's he supposed to do? I'm sure plenty of posters on here have set off to work to find their route buggered and all you can do is phone and give your apologies. It's a bit different to turning up late because he stayed in bed or simply couldn't be arsed.
He might add that it's never happened before and you could live in B'ham or its surrounding area and get caught in a traffic jam.
Live closer like the rest of the players, then he would have been on time like they were.
You can't have one rule for one and one rule for the rest.
It would seem that none of the others got caught in the traffic jam.
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But that wasn't the point I was making was it. Next time it could be and then they will be dropped too. My point is that you can caught in traffic whether you live 20 mins away or 2 hours.
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But that wasn't the point I was making was it. Next time it could be and then they will be dropped too. My point is that you can caught in traffic whether you live 20 mins away or 2 hours.
But the further away you live, the higher your chances of being caught in a traffic jam. And if you've previously been told by your boss to live closer and ignored him, then you can understand why he might be a bit annoyed, can't you.
I can't believe in a million years that this is simply that he was a few minutes late for one training session, especially after the rumours earlier in the season.
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Lowton has tried to undermine Lambert & that cannot be tolerated. Who does he think he is ?
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Disagree UKTS, Lowton is an absolute liability at RB, Bacuna was very good defensively yday.
apart from the 2 or 3 times (that i saw) in the last 20 mins when he gave the ball away cheaply, one of which could have been very costly near the end. Always makes me nervous when the ball and opposition are in our RB area.
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I do quite like the Twitter picture of his girlfriend bending forwards in a bikini. Sorry, I meant to say a friend of mine has seen it and says he quite likes it.
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Do the Dutch even play snooker? Vlaar must be bored to tears.
I've seen him at snooker before watching jimmy white at bedworth civic hall- seems to be a big fan.
He loves snooker. My mate fitted a table at his house in Wishaw. Good few grands worth. He's been back since to buy extra cues
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Maybe they were the long cues that made Lowton late
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He'll just have to chalk it up to experience
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Lowton needs to be careful he doesn't waste his big break at Villa.
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Or he will be forced to train in a "No, Dad" waistcoat.
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So long as he doesn't baulk next time he sees Lambert in training.
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Do the Dutch even play snooker? Vlaar must be bored to tears.
I've seen him at snooker before watching jimmy white at bedworth civic hall- seems to be a big fan.
He loves snooker. My mate fitted a table at his house in Wishaw. Good few grands worth. He's been back since to buy extra cues
They are keen watchers and players. Not many pro's thus far. I have played a few times in Holland - fair number of local clubs.
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Lowton has tried to undermine Lambert & that cannot be tolerated. Who does he think he is ?
Are you being serious?
I actually feel quite sorry for Lowton. It's not his fault there was a traffic jam.
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Lowton has tried to undermine Lambert & that cannot be tolerated. Who does he think he is ?
Are you being serious?
I actually feel quite sorry for Lowton. It's not his fault there was a traffic jam.
Club rules say he should live within a certain distance. He flounts them so he chances it with motorway traffic jams. No sympathy for him. Toe the line and make the most of a once in a lifetime chance.
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Lowton has tried to undermine Lambert & that cannot be tolerated. Who does he think he is ?
Are you being serious?
I actually feel quite sorry for Lowton. It's not his fault there was a traffic jam.
Club rules say he should live within a certain distance. He flounts them so he chances it with motorway traffic jams. No sympathy for him. Toe the line and make the most of a once in a lifetime chance.
Traffic jams happen everywhere. Plus, it's not as if he lives in Middlesbrough, is it?
There's a very thin line between being strict and being a dick and I think Lambert has crossed it, as he did with the Carruthers phone incident.
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There's a very thin line between being strict and being a dick and I think Lambert has crossed it, as he did with the Carruthers phone incident.
I reckon most of the stricter premier league managers would behave in exactly the same way which makes them all dicks I guess. But ultimately you're not there to win popularity conests when you're the manager.
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Lowton has tried to undermine Lambert & that cannot be tolerated. Who does he think he is ?
Are you being serious?
I actually feel quite sorry for Lowton. It's not his fault there was a traffic jam.
Club rules say he should live within a certain distance. He flounts them so he chances it with motorway traffic jams. No sympathy for him. Toe the line and make the most of a once in a lifetime chance.
Traffic jams happen everywhere. Plus, it's not as if he lives in Middlesbrough, is it?
There's a very thin line between being strict and being a dick and I think Lambert has crossed it, as he did with the Carruthers phone incident.
How can you arrive at that conclusion when we don't know the facts?
All we know is he was late for training, and that his wife had a moan on twitter a couple of weeks ago.
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Lowton has tried to undermine Lambert & that cannot be tolerated. Who does he think he is ?
Are you being serious?
I actually feel quite sorry for Lowton. It's not his fault there was a traffic jam.
Club rules say he should live within a certain distance. He flounts them so he chances it with motorway traffic jams. No sympathy for him. Toe the line and make the most of a once in a lifetime chance.
Traffic jams happen everywhere. Plus, it's not as if he lives in Middlesbrough, is it?
There's a very thin line between being strict and being a dick and I think Lambert has crossed it, as he did with the Carruthers phone incident.
A journey from his ''house'' in Sutton is far less likely to hit long delays than from 70 miles away in Sheffield. It's not being a dick to set club rules like that one. I would want my players living as close to the club they play for and community as I could. Not set apart a couple of hours away in another city. Either way it's Lowtons choice and if he doesn't obide by them he sets himself up for punishment.
As for phones, players are around the club very little time during the working week, if they cant keep away from a fucking phone for a few hours then they have an ocd problem.
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Traffic jams happen everywhere. Plus, it's not as if he lives in Middlesbrough, is it?
There's a very thin line between being strict and being a dick and I think Lambert has crossed it, as he did with the Carruthers phone incident.
Right, I must try that one with my boss next time I'm late for work. 'Boss, traffic jams happen everywhere. Stop being a dick'. I wonder how long I'd keep my job.
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No disrespect to Sheffield, which is a fine city. But the only way in or out is the M1. Which makes it handy for Rotherham, Leeds, and possibly Doncaster.
If you want to go any further you are at the mercy of the traffic. If I worked in Birmingham I couldn't justify living there.
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Lowton has tried to undermine Lambert & that cannot be tolerated. Who does he think he is ?
Are you being serious?
I actually feel quite sorry for Lowton. It's not his fault there was a traffic jam.
Club rules say he should live within a certain distance. He flounts them so he chances it with motorway traffic jams. No sympathy for him. Toe the line and make the most of a once in a lifetime chance.
Traffic jams happen everywhere. Plus, it's not as if he lives in Middlesbrough, is it?
There's a very thin line between being strict and being a dick and I think Lambert has crossed it, as he did with the Carruthers phone incident.
If you're going to commute from Sheffield to Birmingham every day of the week, there's a very high chance you'll hit a traffic jam or tailback of some sort. He and Lambert know this only too well which i presume is why players are asked to live within a certain mile radius of the training ground. It's not about a manager being a dick.
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No disrespect to Sheffield, which is a fine city. But the only way in or out is the M1. Which makes it handy for Rotherham, Leeds, and possibly Doncaster.
If you want to go any further you are at the mercy of the traffic. If I worked in Birmingham I couldn't justify living there.
He's from Clowne Derbyshire which is just off Junction 30. He doesn't need to take the motorway if he so chooses. To say that Clowne is nondescript is bigging it up massively. The only notable feature I've come across there is on the A616 road in. Two gantries with chains dangling from them.
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He lives on the A616? That isn't even particularly handy for Sheffield. He needs to move.
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I tend to feel a bit for him.
If it's the first time he has ever been late, then surely him living where he does shouldn't be a problem to the club.
I don't think he deserves the stick he is getting from some here frankly.
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What I'm surprised about is how open we've reported this to the press, normally clubs keep this sort of thing in house and say a player has missed the game with some sort of injury.
Clearly this is a final warning to Lowton to get his act together hence why we've made it public.
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This is the article I read: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/matt-lowton-fined-weeks-wages-6527414
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Typically they'd say "the lad's picked up a knock but should be available next week" or some such nonesense.
It is strange/unnecessary that this has become public. I am slightly worried that Lambert has lost the dressing room and looking to stamp his authority to dampen any mutiny.
My flimsy evidence (your honour) is:
1. The Lowton fines becoming public
2. Trying to sign both Holahan and Holt - two players which you'd think would 'run through brick walls' for Lambert
3. Gabby's celebration v Swansea.
4. Ooh and our poor form recently.
Just a hunch, based on not very much, admittedly.
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Ohkay...
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Ohkay...
You heard it here first. Etc.
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What I'm surprised about is how open we've reported this to the press, normally clubs keep this sort of thing in house and say a player has missed the game with some sort of injury.
Clearly this is a final warning to Lowton to get his act together hence why we've made it public.
No, it's merely an assumption.
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The only safe assumption is that the club have no problem with the information being in the public domain.
I can see a scenario where Lowton's absence, uninjured, is taken as evidence of a 'training ground bust up' or 'dressing-room rift'. Better to just tell the truth, let everyone shrug their shoulders and say 'oh'.
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Its a tough one. If it is a first offence it seems harsh. However, we have had to deal with similar at work where people live a fair distance off and the commute is part of the issue.
For example, you live in the backwaters of Shropshire. You get the train to Brum each day but there is only one every 30 minutes to an hour.
I can have a train cancelled and still be in close to on time. They have one cancelled and they are late by an hour.
If it also seems an unreliable service so this happens more than once in a Blue moon and work will start to hit the disciplinary route but with suggestions you should move closer or somewhere with a more reliable service.
I do not know the full details of what has gone on. I do find it a tad unusual the Villa have been so open about it though.
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Traffic jams happen everywhere. Plus, it's not as if he lives in Middlesbrough, is it?
There's a very thin line between being strict and being a dick and I think Lambert has crossed it, as he did with the Carruthers phone incident.
Right, I must try that one with my boss next time I'm late for work. 'Boss, traffic jams happen everywhere. Stop being a dick'. I wonder how long I'd keep my job.
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Location: Poland
If Matty is travelling from Sheff to Brum and you're commuting from Sheff to Poland, I'm surprised you can keep a job ;)
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No disrespect to Sheffield, which is a fine city. But the only way in or out is the M1. Which makes it handy for Rotherham, Leeds, and possibly Doncaster.
If you want to go any further you are at the mercy of the traffic. If I worked in Birmingham I couldn't justify living there.
He's from Clowne Derbyshire which is just off Junction 30. He doesn't need to take the motorway if he so chooses. To say that Clowne is nondescript is bigging it up massively. The only notable feature I've come across there is on the A616 road in. Two gantries with chains dangling from them.
He should be given some slack. At the last home game, he brought dozens of his local villagers with him. They are very parochial. Every time he got the ball, they shouted 'Clowne, Clowne, f*****g Clowne'. They were all at it near me.
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Some very judgmental folks on this thread. He was late for work, got fined. If he was out on the piss the night before a game etc etc then fair enough but this isn't even news imo.
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The club made it news.
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The club made it news.
Plus we've got nothing else to talk about with it being so long until the next game. We need tittle tattle to keep us going.
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And really, it's only us who give a toss.
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And some of us don't.
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This thread is in danger of dying out. Isn't it about time we brought religion into it?
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This thread is in danger of dying out. Isn't it about time we brought religion into it?
Either that or the McCanns.
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This thread is in danger of dying out. Isn't it about time we brought religion into it?
That would be an ecumenical matter.
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From what we've been told the punishment seems very harsh for the crime.
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From what we've been told the punishment seems very harsh for the crime.
I don't see how you can draw that conclusion. He broke a club rule and not a rule created for Matt Lowton.
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This thread is in danger of dying out. Isn't it about time we brought religion into it?
Either that or the McCanns.
There's only one Gavin McCann.
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From what we've been told the punishment seems very harsh for the crime.
I don't see how you can draw that conclusion. He broke a club rule and not a rule created for Matt Lowton.
don't do the crime, if can't do the time.....
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From what we've been told the punishment seems very harsh for the crime.
What have you been told? A week's wages is hardly going to put him on the breadline.
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All seems fair to me, my interest is how he responds, good player, misses Sheffield, or wife does, if not 100% with us needs to move on, we need to replace asap, if he can hack it , worth keeping.
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Hopefully this is all a storm in a teacup (Yorkshire Tea of course).
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Yorkshire tea..... yuk..., Twinings Assam please, ......................
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Lawton is Chesterfield and Derbyshire so no yorkshire tea !!
Yorkshire tea adverts with that johnny veghas.. what is it with that county and annoying adverts
PLUS net broadband with unfunny man Craig murray,
Bradfords Safestyle uk
and adverts for tea and bread
who buys that stuff>>>???
Another ting ! When yorkshire teams play each other the fanms on both sides stand up and chant yorkshire ! yorkshire !
seems like some republican army ??
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People's Republic of South Yorkshire to you, m'lad.
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Lawton is Chesterfield and Derbyshire so no yorkshire tea !!
Yorkshire tea adverts with that johnny veghas.. what is it with that county and annoying adverts
PLUS net broadband with unfunny man Craig murray,
Bradfords Safestyle uk
and adverts for tea and bread
who buys that stuff>>>???
Another ting ! When yorkshire teams play each other the fanms on both sides stand up and chant yorkshire ! yorkshire !
seems like some republican army ??
Annoying adverts are the most effective adverts. Ask anyone old enough to remember a shake'n'vac advert if they can name more than one brand of carpet cleaner.
Johnny Vegas is from Lancashire by the way. A far more annoying county than Yorksire.
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Lawton is Chesterfield and Derbyshire so no yorkshire tea !!
Yorkshire tea adverts with that johnny veghas.. what is it with that county and annoying adverts
PLUS net broadband with unfunny man Craig murray,
Bradfords Safestyle uk
and adverts for tea and bread
who buys that stuff>>>???
Another ting ! When yorkshire teams play each other the fanms on both sides stand up and chant yorkshire ! yorkshire !
seems like some republican army ??
Nowt wrong with Yorkshire, lad.
I'm a Warwickshire lad myself but have spent 24 years in the Republic.
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Yorkshire Tea mmmmmmmmmmmm!
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Yorkshire Tea mmmmmmmmmmmm!
Is it actually grown or made in Yorkshire?
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http://youtu.be/SaVV3Rg4XvM
This is made in Yorkshire.
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Yorkshire Tea mmmmmmmmmmmm!
Is it actually grown or made in Yorkshire?
Of course it is. There a tea bag farm over the back of my house. It doesn't taste as good nowadays, what with all the mines closing and atmospheric soot levels dropping.
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Looks like Matt is off to Burnley as Trippiers replacement, with a medical on Monday.
Ł1m fee plus add ons
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A good deal for us, get some money back before next summer when his contract is up.
A great goal against Stoke I'll remember him for. Overall not top division quality but a few memorable moments. Good luck Matt!
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Good luck Matthew, thanks for Stoke.
I must say I am happy with the rate that Sherwood is getting rid of the players who aren't good enough for us.
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Good luck Matthew, thanks for Stoke.
I must say I am happy with the rate that Sherwood is getting rid of the players who aren't good enough for us.
Which means we must have at least a little money to spend or he wouldn't be culling the squad.
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It's easier to sell the likes of Weimann and Lowton than the likes of N'Zogbia and Bent before him. Much younger and on wages that others can afford.
With Lowton we made a small profit on him by the sounds of it.
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Good crosser of the ball and goals like we saw against Stoke, but defensively too poor for the top division.
Wish him all the best!
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Not just the goal against Stoke, also the one against Swansea. Not to mention the sharp interception and inch perfect cross field pass in the Sunderland game that Weimann controlled expertly before putting us back in the lead.
At times in the first season he looked promising enough to really push on. Shame about the nonsense over his wife wanting to live at home. maybe he'll regret it or maybe he will knuckle down at Burnley and make a bit of a name for himself.
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It's easier to sell the likes of Weimann and Lowton than the likes of N'Zogbia and Bent before him. Much younger and on wages that others can afford.
With Lowton we made a small profit on him by the sounds of it.
Out of memory from reading the Sheff Utd accounts we paid Ł2m+ for Lowton, so we've made a Ł1m loss.
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Shame. His display in the 6-1 Sunderland game was superb. Thought he did ok filling in at LB last season . We haven't lost a big wad of cash on him unlike some others.
Best of luck to him.
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A player who never looked like he believed in his ability, also a little light weight.
Very close to being a very good player. Hope he does well.
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It's easier to sell the likes of Weimann and Lowton than the likes of N'Zogbia and Bent before him. Much younger and on wages that others can afford.
With Lowton we made a small profit on him by the sounds of it.
Out of memory from reading the Sheff Utd accounts we paid Ł2m+ for Lowton, so we've made a Ł1m loss.
The press reported that it was Ł2m and then somebody quizzed someone in his family who promptly laughed and said it was more like Ł700k.
He was fantastic in the Sunderland 6-1 game. If he played like that consistently he would be some player.
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It's easier to sell the likes of Weimann and Lowton than the likes of N'Zogbia and Bent before him. Much younger and on wages that others can afford.
With Lowton we made a small profit on him by the sounds of it.
Out of memory from reading the Sheff Utd accounts we paid Ł2m+ for Lowton, so we've made a Ł1m loss.
The press reported that it was Ł2m and then somebody quizzed someone in his family who promptly laughed and said it was more like Ł700k.
He was fantastic in the Sunderland 6-1 game. If he played like that consistently he would be some player.
Lambert was telling lies and deliberately understating all of his transfer fees.
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It's easier to sell the likes of Weimann and Lowton than the likes of N'Zogbia and Bent before him. Much younger and on wages that others can afford.
With Lowton we made a small profit on him by the sounds of it.
Out of memory from reading the Sheff Utd accounts we paid Ł2m+ for Lowton, so we've made a Ł1m loss.
The press reported that it was Ł2m and then somebody quizzed someone in his family who promptly laughed and said it was more like Ł700k.
He was fantastic in the Sunderland 6-1 game. If he played like that consistently he would be some player.
The family member was wrong, the Sheffield accounts say it was over Ł2m. They sold 2 players of any value that summer and got nearly Ł4m for them, one was Stephen Quinn the other was Lowton. I looked up the accounts being a saddo during one of the many Lambert transfer fee discussions.
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In that case, that's disappointing.
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I liked him, thought he was unlucky to be dropped from LB last season as he had played pretty well there. And everyone who was at Stoke will always love him. Absolutely mental celebrations in the away end.
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Bye Mat and good luck at Burnley but simply not good enough at defending.
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Bye Mat. Another player who always put in a shift and had a couple of great moments. Great effort to win the penalty against West Brom. It probably kept us up. Grateful for what he did for us and wish him well.
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No as bad as Joe Bennett is about the best you can say. Good luck.
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For the money we paid, he did ok. The goal at Stoke (and the celebration afterwards) will live in the memory. Best of luck to him.
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Yeah, tara a bit. Another one goes.
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Bye Mat. Another player who always put in a shift and had a couple of great moments. Great effort to win the penalty against West Brom. It probably kept us up. Grateful for what he did for us and wish him well.
Seconded.
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Ł1 million seems a little low, I guess it depends on the add ons. I always thought he was technically good and a good attacking option. But he was one of the poorest defenders I've seen in terms of positioning. Good luck in the future.
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I am sorry that he never quite made it...was he almost a bit too nice?
Thought we'd got a real cracker of a RB by the end of his first season - my Blades' mate reckoned we'd got their best player and was chuffed he was going to a proper club like The Villa.
His goal v Swansea was out of the blue, his goal at Stoke was special - think I've still got the scars on my shins - and is one of my best away moments over the last 5 years.
Good luck Matt...Burnley seem to be a good club to play for.
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Looked to have potential initially but overall didn't look strong or technically competent enough defensively at this level. Probably do well in the Championship. Good luck to him.
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One million is pretty decent to be fair. He's been poor and unfavoured these last two seasons. Tail end of his first season he looked promising, particularly going forward, but he's not really ironed out the defensive errors and he's too lightweight to play FB in this league I think. He and Bennett look like a pair of 12 year old vegan kids.
Good luck to him though. Burnley's a good move for him, and they're due to lose their first choice RB, so he could well step straight in as first choice.
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Good luck Matt. Some really good memories like the goals against Stoke and Swansea, plus his role in Wiemanns goal against Sunderland.
However, it says a great deal that the players who are leaving are going to Championship clubs.
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Good luck Lowts.
Great goals and work rate but you should of moved house son .
#wearthetrousers
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good move for Lowton. Could do with physically toughening up over the summer. Good player on the ball but falls short of the required standard defensively.
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Good luck Matt, wishing you luck in your career.
Thanks for the Stoke away goal, memories forever.
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Good luck to Matt. THAT goal at Stoke and THAT effort for the Albion penalty. Two crucial moments that helped us stay up during his time here.
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Good luck Matt, and a big 'well done' to his brother Glenn who was frequently amongst the Villa fans at away games, even saw him in the pub before the midweek Palace away game last December.
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Would be an excellent player but for a chronic lack of the required pace at prem level. I think he knows that too.
Like Weiman he always have his best.
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He was a terrible defender. But offered lots in support of the attack. I suppose it depends on what we needed most at the time. But as a defender at PL level he left a lot to be desired. Like everyone goals against Swansea (I think), Stoke, brilliant cross for Benteke at Goodison and winning the penalty vs Albion are things we can recall fondly.
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This is closer to his house so his mrs has got her wish.
#women
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He was a terrible defender. But offered lots in support of the attack. I suppose it depends on what we needed most at the time. But as a defender at PL level he left a lot to be desired. Like everyone goals against Swansea (I think), Stoke, brilliant cross for Benteke at Goodison and winning the penalty vs Albion are things we can recall fondly.
I think Lowton made quite a few of Benteke's goals in Lambert's first season.
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I really like him. It's a shame he just never learned to defend against a winger. Bit of a problem at full back!
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Scored a couple of memorable goals and was the best crosser of a ball we had for a while
As usual "all the best for the future son" and don't turn it on if you play against us!
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Defensively he was never up to it in this league. I've heard people say Richards last positional sense, but I am surprised Lowton could find his way to BMH. Good crosser of the ball and decent going forwards. At 26 he's never going to be improving enough to be good enough.
I wish him well.
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Good luck Matt
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I liked Lowton & thought he was a decent player. Perhaps not only is it sad he is going but sad that I have become used to decent players as the norm in the last few years?
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Bottom line, nowhere near good enough defensively for the PL.
Easily rolled off the ball and beaten by wingers, a couple stick in my mind, the goal in the 0-3 v Wigan where he's easily rolled off the ball. The Yanited home game last season (1-1) young skips round him so easily for the cross for the Falcao equaliser .
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He provided one of my best memories at a Villa away game of the last ten years, the screamer v Stoke to put us 2-1 up with less than ten mins on the clock. Wish him well, overall he lacked pace and strength to be a solid fullback, and is 3rd choice behind Bacuna and Hutton, plus Richards can cover RB.
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Agree with everything said by others. Too easily beaten inside which is fatal at PL level. Wish him the best with the rest of his career.
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Good luck to him. The fact that we can so easily remember his few good moments tells you all you need to know about his general lack of quality and consistency. For which see Weimann also. And indeed us through and through...
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Good luck to him. The fact that we can so easily remember his few good moments tells you all you need to know about his general lack of quality and consistency.
I disagree - I think it says more that his good moments have been astonishingly good.
The Stoke goal was unquestionably the best moment of Lambert's first season and from the thread a few weeks ago the West Brom penalty that he won (although clearly less spectacular on his part) seemed to win the vote for the best moment of the season just gone.
Somebody like say, Luke Young was a far more consistent right-back but I think people would struggle to come up with a list of specific great moments in his Villa career like you can with Lowton.
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Yes and that he's a defender. What were mark delaney's good moments?
If he could have defended with just reasonable quality id have kept him. He's very good on the ball and an excellent t crosser. He was incredible against Sunderland in the 6-1. Best full back performance I've ever seen from a villa player.
But he was beaten so easily by a winger its untrue.
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I'm glad we're finally getting rid of these type of players and the fact that they're going to or linked with championship clubs tells you everything about the standard of player we've been signing for the last five years and why we've struggled so much at the foot of the table. Lowton is an awful defender who is out of his depth in the Premier League.
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Delaney nailed a 30 yard screamer at Watford in a 1-0 win.
And he could defend.
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Delaney was a cracking player. Infinitely better than any of the rubbish we've had at full back over the last 5 or so years.
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I'm glad we're finally getting rid of these type of players and the fact that they're going to or linked with championship clubs tells you everything about the standard of player we've been signing for the last five years and why we've struggled so much at the foot of the table. Lowton is an awful defender who is out of his depth in the Premier League.
I think this is a great point, and well made.
Totally agree.
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Good luck to him. The fact that we can so easily remember his few good moments tells you all you need to know about his general lack of quality and consistency.
I disagree - I think it says more that his good moments have been astonishingly good.
The Stoke goal was unquestionably the best moment of Lambert's first season and from the thread a few weeks ago the West Brom penalty that he won (although clearly less spectacular on his part) seemed to win the vote for the best moment of the season just gone.
Somebody like say, Luke Young was a far more consistent right-back but I think people would struggle to come up with a list of specific great moments in his Villa career like you can with Lowton.
I'd have taken 3 years of being able to play as a competent right back over a goal against Stoke, however brilliant it was.
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The annoying thing with both Weimann and Lowton is we have not played the system very well, we are selling both when they're at the bottom of their possible transfer value. Had we sold at the right time we would have got maybe 5m for each which could have been reinvested.
Current examples of this are Westwood and Bacuna. Right now they'd be considered premier league quality and might fetch 4-5m each, but if we sign replacements this summer and they spend a season in the reserves then their value will also fall down to 1m-ish. I appreciate that none of the sums are big money, but if the club wanted to live buy the 'buy low, sell high', strategy for growing the club then they got the second bit very wrong.
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Good luck to him. The fact that we can so easily remember his few good moments tells you all you need to know about his general lack of quality and consistency.
I disagree - I think it says more that his good moments have been astonishingly good.
The Stoke goal was unquestionably the best moment of Lambert's first season and from the thread a few weeks ago the West Brom penalty that he won (although clearly less spectacular on his part) seemed to win the vote for the best moment of the season just gone.
Somebody like say, Luke Young was a far more consistent right-back but I think people would struggle to come up with a list of specific great moments in his Villa career like you can with Lowton.
I'd have taken 3 years of being able to play as a competent right back over a goal against Stoke, however brilliant it was.
I entirely agree.
My point is that listing specific moments from a defender's career isn't the way to establish if they were any good or not. Wilfred Bouma's Villa career wasn't chock full of hundreds of great individual moments, that doesn't mean that he wasn't a good defender.
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Good luck to him. The fact that we can so easily remember his few good moments tells you all you need to know about his general lack of quality and consistency.
I disagree - I think it says more that his good moments have been astonishingly good.
The Stoke goal was unquestionably the best moment of Lambert's first season and from the thread a few weeks ago the West Brom penalty that he won (although clearly less spectacular on his part) seemed to win the vote for the best moment of the season just gone.
Somebody like say, Luke Young was a far more consistent right-back but I think people would struggle to come up with a list of specific great moments in his Villa career like you can with Lowton.
I wonder how Gary Cahill would be remembered as a Villa player without "that goal"?
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Good luck to him. The fact that we can so easily remember his few good moments tells you all you need to know about his general lack of quality and consistency.
I disagree - I think it says more that his good moments have been astonishingly good.
The Stoke goal was unquestionably the best moment of Lambert's first season and from the thread a few weeks ago the West Brom penalty that he won (although clearly less spectacular on his part) seemed to win the vote for the best moment of the season just gone.
Somebody like say, Luke Young was a far more consistent right-back but I think people would struggle to come up with a list of specific great moments in his Villa career like you can with Lowton.
I'd have taken 3 years of being able to play as a competent right back over a goal against Stoke, however brilliant it was.
I entirely agree.
My point is that listing specific moments from a defender's career isn't the way to establish if they were any good or not. Wilfred Bouma's Villa career wasn't chock full of hundreds of great individual moments, that doesn't mean that he wasn't a good defender.
I cannot believe Dave you have dismissed Bouma's screamer vs Newcastle so mercilessly.
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Good luck to him. The fact that we can so easily remember his few good moments tells you all you need to know about his general lack of quality and consistency.
I disagree - I think it says more that his good moments have been astonishingly good.
The Stoke goal was unquestionably the best moment of Lambert's first season and from the thread a few weeks ago the West Brom penalty that he won (although clearly less spectacular on his part) seemed to win the vote for the best moment of the season just gone.
Somebody like say, Luke Young was a far more consistent right-back but I think people would struggle to come up with a list of specific great moments in his Villa career like you can with Lowton.
I wonder how Gary Cahill would be remembered as a Villa player without "that goal"?
I don't know about anyone else, but for me a highly promising youngster who was clearly better than Zat Knight and Curtis Davies.
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The annoying thing with both Weimann and Lowton is we have not played the system very well, we are selling both when they're at the bottom of their possible transfer value. Had we sold at the right time we would have got maybe 5m for each which could have been reinvested.
the club hasn't been run well, it has pissed money left, right and centre. hiring and firing managers. extending lambert's contract and sacking him weeks later. gates are down. season ticket sales are down. losing some hope value from lowton and weimann is the least of its worries.
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Until reading this thread, I actually thought it was Weimann who got fouled for the Albion last minute penalty so you learn something new.
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I wonder how Gary Cahill would be remembered as a Villa player without "that goal"?
I don't know about anyone else, but for me a highly promising youngster who was clearly better than Zat Knight and Curtis Davies.
Totally with you on that. It still narks me that MON offloaded such an obviously-competent CB.
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I'm glad we're finally getting rid of these type of players and the fact that they're going to or linked with championship clubs tells you everything about the standard of player we've been signing for the last five years and why we've struggled so much at the foot of the table. Lowton is an awful defender who is out of his depth in the Premier League.
Agree totally!
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Good luck to him. The fact that we can so easily remember his few good moments tells you all you need to know about his general lack of quality and consistency.
I disagree - I think it says more that his good moments have been astonishingly good.
The Stoke goal was unquestionably the best moment of Lambert's first season and from the thread a few weeks ago the West Brom penalty that he won (although clearly less spectacular on his part) seemed to win the vote for the best moment of the season just gone.
Somebody like say, Luke Young was a far more consistent right-back but I think people would struggle to come up with a list of specific great moments in his Villa career like you can with Lowton.
I wonder how Gary Cahill would be remembered as a Villa player without "that goal"?
Cahill was a terrific prospect who was a cut above every other player who come out of our academy around that time, and that's not hindsight speaking either. I couldn't believe O'Neill let him go so easily. So yeah he'll be remembered for that goal against Small Heath but lots of us knew he would become a special player and were gutted to see him go.
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My point being that if he didn't score that goal most of us wouldn't recall much about him other than being a good prospect of which we have had many over the years. Like Lowton initially most saw huge potential in him and the goals he scored and the assists helped mask some of the defensive flaws in his game. Not saying that could have happened with Cahill and as it turned out he went on via Bolton to become a very good player. I'm just saying to skews our view of Cahill a little to being better than he probably was at the time.
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Can only speak for myself but I thought Cahill was a terrific prospect and was gutted to see him go. My opinion on Lowton from the off was that he was out of his depth in the PL and I never changed my mind in all the time he was here. The sooner he's gone (and most of the other "young and hungry" rubbish from that era) the better.
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MON selling Cahill still angers me. He was useless as a manager defensively. Useless.
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Can only speak for myself but I thought Cahill was a terrific prospect and was gutted to see him go. My opinion on Lowton from the off was that he was out of his depth in the PL and I never changed my mind in all the time he was here. The sooner he's gone (and most of the other "young and hungry" rubbish from that era) the better.
You could see that Cahill was going to make it to the highest level. He was more than just a prospect but MON did not like him saying that he wanted first team football after he had gone out and spent heavily on central defenders. It was clear to me that Cahill was good enough and should have gone on to captain the team. The composure he had on the ball, even at that age, was a sign that he could play at the top level of the PL.
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What makes it worse is he sold Cahill for peanuts then spent millions on dross like cuellar, knight, Collins and dunne. pubeheaded bell end.
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Can only speak for myself but I thought Cahill was a terrific prospect and was gutted to see him go. My opinion on Lowton from the off was that he was out of his depth in the PL and I never changed my mind in all the time he was here. The sooner he's gone (and most of the other "young and hungry" rubbish from that era) the better.
You could see that Cahill was going to make it to the highest level. He was more than just a prospect but MON did not like him saying that he wanted first team football after he had gone out and spent heavily on central defenders. It was clear to me that Cahill was good enough and should have gone on to captain the team. The composure he had on the ball, even at that age, was a sign that he could play at the top level of the PL.
And it still grates that we let him go so easily when he should have stayed and captained the team as our best centreback since McGrath. I still can't get my head around why O'Neill let him go so easily. A pathetic decision.
Lowton on the other hand wasn't fit to lace his boots.
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What makes it worse is he sold Cahill for peanuts then spent millions on dross like cuellar, knight, Collins and dunne. pubeheaded bell end.
Though I'd take those players over any of the dross we've got now.
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What makes it worse is he sold Cahill for peanuts then spent millions on dross like cuellar, knight, Collins and dunne. pubeheaded bell end.
Though I'd take those players over any of the dross we've got now.
Zat Knight over Clark ? Dunne over Okore ? Cuellar over Richards ?
Behave
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What makes it worse is he sold Cahill for peanuts then spent millions on dross like cuellar, knight, Collins and dunne. pubeheaded bell end.
Though I'd take those players over any of the dross we've got now.
Zat Knight over Clark ? Dunne over Okore ? Cuellar over Richards ?
Behave
Yep.
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My point being that if he didn't score that goal most of us wouldn't recall much about him other than being a good prospect of which we have had many over the years. Like Lowton initially most saw huge potential in him and the goals he scored and the assists helped mask some of the defensive flaws in his game. Not saying that could have happened with Cahill and as it turned out he went on via Bolton to become a very good player. I'm just saying to skews our view of Cahill a little to being better than he probably was at the time.
Hmm...I'm pretty certain that anybody that our academy produces that we let go for relative peanuts that goes on to win Premier League titles, European cups and becomes the first choice defender for England will be thought of as an opportunity missed, whether they score the occasional amazing goal or not.
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My point being that if he didn't score that goal most of us wouldn't recall much about him
Couldn't disagree more. Having watched him live at the time for a year or so , you could already see his qualities as a defender and an out and out leader. That goal, whilst superb, was just a bonus on top of the day to day he'd already shown he was a class above at.
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Not defending MON but didn't we have a pretty decent defensive record in his final two years?
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MON selling Cahill still angers me. He was useless as a manager defensively. Useless.
The goals against stats during his time at the club would suggest otherwise
Cahill got plenty of games in MONs first season. MON rated Curtis Davies higher though and bought him to partner Laursen the next summer if I recall correctly. Cahill was always a composed sort on the ball but a little soft physically back then. Davies would have been higher rated generally back then.though he later ran out of patience with Davies, Knight, Cuellar and went in for Collins and Dunne.
Cahill naturally wasn't happy and ended up with Gary Megson at Bolton so he didn't have much choices. Remember John Carew tearing him a new one a couple of times. Fair play to him for coming back and winning league and European titles with Chelski. Think JT makes him look a better player than he is but has well and truly proved MON wrong, as has Steven Davis.
No chance of Matt Lowton doing likewise
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No chance of Matt Lowton doing likewise
I don't think anybody has suggested that he is going to.
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My point being that if he didn't score that goal most of us wouldn't recall much about him other than being a good prospect of which we have had many over the years. Like Lowton initially most saw huge potential in him and the goals he scored and the assists helped mask some of the defensive flaws in his game. Not saying that could have happened with Cahill and as it turned out he went on via Bolton to become a very good player. I'm just saying to skews our view of Cahill a little to being better than he probably was at the time.
Before that goal I can remember stating that we have a future England center back in the making. He wasn't the finished article then or anywhere near it but the signs were there. It was a big bollock dropped letting him go as we did.
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What makes it worse is he sold Cahill for peanuts then spent millions on dross like cuellar, knight, Collins and dunne. pubeheaded bell end.
Though I'd take those players over any of the dross we've got now.
Zat Knight over Clark ? Dunne over Okore ? Cuellar over Richards ?
Behave
I would definitely take the Richard Dunne of his first couple of seasons and in fact, that type of CB is exactly what we currently need. Unfortunately, his interest in playing for us left with O'Neill.
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Letting Cahill go was a mistake and pretty sure it was obvious at the time with O'Neill oddly and stubbornly preferring Knight.
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Gary Cahill was player of the season, and young player of the season when he was at Burnley. I used to know a couple of Burnley fans from having worked there for a while, and they thought he was one of the best defenders they'd seen. And as for the poster on the previous page who thought that Cahill was a bit soft, absolutely no chance.
And I think the idea that Villa fans over rate him because of a goal is bit insulting to be honest, we can just generally recognise a good player when we see one. In any case, I don't recall many people pining for Zat Knight based on his superb finish against Arsenal.
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I certainly don't overrate him. I just think our memory of him is maybe more fond than it should be because of that goal. There is no doubt he was a very promising talent but he didn't have to leave. He could have stayed and fought for his place. The way it went with the other players unless MON had a personal gripe then he'd have worked his way into the first team. It's a shame how it all went down and that he felt he had to go to Bolton to get regular first team action. But it also says a lot that he went to Bolton and not to a higher profile side as to how many other managers felt about him at the time. If everyone thought he'd become the player he is then he would have gone elsewhere. I think most saw him as a very good prospect, not quite ready for the first team and with room for improvement. Just as MON probably and his coaches saw him at the time.
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I wondered how long that "He wasn't prepared to fight for his place" nonsense would take. He didn't get in the team because O'Neill didn't like his style, and when he did play he always looked what he's become - an England regular.
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
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My point being that if he didn't score that goal most of us wouldn't recall much about him other than being a good prospect of which we have had many over the years. Like Lowton initially most saw huge potential in him and the goals he scored and the assists helped mask some of the defensive flaws in his game. Not saying that could have happened with Cahill and as it turned out he went on via Bolton to become a very good player. I'm just saying to skews our view of Cahill a little to being better than he probably was at the time.
Before that goal I can remember stating that we have a future England center back in the making. He wasn't the finished article then or anywhere near it but the signs were there. It was a big bollock dropped letting him go as we did.
Agree
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
I can remember us selling two England internationals to Middlesbrough; there wasn't much of a queue for either of them. You can attempt to re-write history as much as you like but the fact is that Cahill looked every inch a top quality player of the future when he was here and just about everyone except Martin O'Neill thought so.
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I wondered how long that "He wasn't prepared to fight for his place" nonsense would take. He didn't get in the team because O'Neill didn't like his style, and when he did play he always looked what he's become - an England regular.
Exactly . So many people on here saying I'm going to bet he will be England captain one day when he was at villa
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
I can remember us selling two England internationals to Middlesbrough; there wasn't much of a queue for either of them. You can attempt to re-write history as much as you like but the fact is that Cahill looked every inch a top quality player of the future when he was here and just about everyone except Martin O'Neill thought so.
I'm not re-writing anything Dave. I asked a question as to why more clubs didn't see what apparently everyone except MON did? And I'm not defending MON because none of us want to see our top prospects leave.
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I certainly don't overrate him. I just think our memory of him is maybe more fond than it should be because of that goal. There is no doubt he was a very promising talent but he didn't have to leave. He could have stayed and fought for his place. The way it went with the other players unless MON had a personal gripe then he'd have worked his way into the first team. It's a shame how it all went down and that he felt he had to go to Bolton to get regular first team action. But it also says a lot that he went to Bolton and not to a higher profile side as to how many other managers felt about him at the time. If everyone thought he'd become the player he is then he would have gone elsewhere. I think most saw him as a very good prospect, not quite ready for the first team and with room for improvement. Just as MON probably and his coaches saw him at the time.
This was the main problem, he did this and deserved a chance to keep his spot but mon decided to sign Davies and Knight and push both of them in front of him.
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
I can remember us selling two England internationals to Middlesbrough; there wasn't much of a queue for either of them. You can attempt to re-write history as much as you like but the fact is that Cahill looked every inch a top quality player of the future when he was here and just about everyone except Martin O'Neill thought so.
I'm not re-writing anything Dave. I asked a question as to why more clubs didn't see what apparently everyone except MON did? And I'm not defending MON because none of us want to see our top prospects leave.
I have absolutely no idea, but I do know that virtually everyone on here thought he was mistaken, and this was at the height of his popularity.
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I wondered how long that "He wasn't prepared to fight for his place" nonsense would take. He didn't get in the team because O'Neill didn't like his style, and when he did play he always looked what he's become - an England regular.
MON not even bothering to speak to him was one of the main reasons Cahill decided to leave. He claimed in an interview in the Meaning Evil that he would have been prepared to stay and fight for his place if he'd been told he was still in the manager's plans.
I'm still looking forward to Chris Smith eating his hat when Cahill eventually captains his country. ;)
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Could have been worse, he could have signed for Small Heath but he was on record saying he didn't want to be considered a "Villa reject" so he turned them down.
Damn you O'Neill for letting him go.
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Cahill accepts a move to Bolton to be pretty much guaranteed a starting place. "Should have stayed and fought for his place"
Any of the chancers we've had sucking money out of the club in the stiffs over the last 7-8 years. "Surely they'd want to move for a chance of first team football"
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
O'Neill clearly preferred the "stick it in row z" centre back to the "play your way out of defence" style.
The reason he only went for 5m is that at that time he wasn't an England regular, he was a promising young defender. Dave is right, when we let him leave, almost everyone on here was disappointed to say the least, and it was indeed back at the time when we all thought MON was the messiah.
The "he didn't want to stick around and fight for his place" argument is way too easy. How about the manager realising he was amongst the best defenders at the club and encouraging him to do so? Or actually playing him?
I certainly find it very hard to imagine a set of circumstances under which Zat Knight is a better option than Gary Cahill was.
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
O'Neill clearly preferred the "stick it in row z" centre back to the "play your way out of defence" style.
The reason he only went for 5m is that at that time he wasn't an England regular, he was a promising young defender. Dave is right, when we let him leave, almost everyone on here was disappointed to say the least, and it was indeed back at the time when we all thought MON was the messiah.
The "he didn't want to stick around and fight for his place" argument is way too easy. How about the manager realising he was amongst the best defenders at the club and encouraging him to do so? Or actually playing him?
I certainly find it very hard to imagine a set of circumstances under which Zat Knight is a better option than Gary Cahill was.
If you're playing top trumps and go for the tallest player?
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
O'Neill clearly preferred the "stick it in row z" centre back to the "play your way out of defence" style.
The reason he only went for 5m is that at that time he wasn't an England regular, he was a promising young defender. Dave is right, when we let him leave, almost everyone on here was disappointed to say the least, and it was indeed back at the time when we all thought MON was the messiah.
The "he didn't want to stick around and fight for his place" argument is way too easy. How about the manager realising he was amongst the best defenders at the club and encouraging him to do so? Or actually playing him?
I certainly find it very hard to imagine a set of circumstances under which Zat Knight is a better option than Gary Cahill was.
If you're playing top trumps and go for the tallest player?
In fairness, there is that. He was also a really, really good pointer.
He used to combine it with a weird facial expression, too. Which always reminded me a bit of this:
(http://www.arachnoid.com/ChildrenOfNarcissus/images/sutherland_invasion_1978.jpg)
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It must have been great training with him and Reo-Coker on the same team in 5-a-side games.
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Anyway, Lowts has gone. Good luck to him.
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Anyway, Lowts has gone. Good luck to him.
Agreed
At times looked quite good, at times a liability.
Not quite good enough at this level, but gave it a good shot. - Especially at Stoke!
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Anyway, Lowts has gone. Good luck to him.
Agreed
At times looked quite good, at times a liability.
Not quite good enough at this level, but gave it a good shot. - Especially at Stoke!
Kinda agree....thought Hypia turned quicker than him at times, a big no no at full back.
Don't care about him, never pulled on my heart strings. Scored a couple of screamers but just not good enough, maybe not good enough to push Burnley back to the top, we'll see.
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He's got a good cross on him, I will give him that.
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One thing I do like so far is Sherwood throwing out the garbage that has been stinking out the club for a while now. They guys who have gone and are going are really poor players in my opinion, the kind of players you see in relegation fights and at relegated clubs.
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Good luck Matty.
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It is arguable that Matt Lowton saved our season. Wasn't it him that Foster bought down for the last minute penalty? Good luck Lowts.
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One thing I do like so far is Sherwood throwing out the garbage that has been stinking out the club for a while now. They guys who have gone and are going are really poor players in my opinion, the kind of players you see in relegation fights and at relegated clubs.
You can afford to carry one or two in the team and still finish above half way. The problem is we have had five or six in the team and that spells trouble.
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I note with interest that Dyche says Lowton has "the motivation to go again."
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I liked him. Shame he lost his way at Villa. I can see him doing well at Burnley and hope he does.
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Crossing was ace, will always be thankful for the pen against the Albion, Not good enough but good luck
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It'd be too easy to say Lowton just wasn't good enough.
Defensively, he was poor, but going forward, he was very good at times. Maybe if he were playing in a better side, he'd have got away with the defensive shabbiness, but he was never going to have that luxury with us.
That ball he pinged across for Weimann to score against Sunderland was excellent. He could play balls like that. The problem was he'd then find himself not where he should be when needing to defend.
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All the best to Matt Lowton!
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I think it’s very easy to say he wasn’t good enough.
He couldn’t defend, as he lacked pace. He also lacked the positional sense to make up for the former, which also on its own create problems.
Going forwards, he had a decent delivery, but was far too inconsistent. A Championship player and another piece of evidence towards why 15th has been the summit of our abilities most recently.
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
I can remember us selling two England internationals to Middlesbrough; there wasn't much of a queue for either of them. You can attempt to re-write history as much as you like but the fact is that Cahill looked every inch a top quality player of the future when he was here and just about everyone except Martin O'Neill thought so.
I'm not re-writing anything Dave. I asked a question as to why more clubs didn't see what apparently everyone except MON did? And I'm not defending MON because none of us want to see our top prospects leave.
I have absolutely no idea, but I do know that virtually everyone on here thought he was mistaken, and this was at the height of his popularity.
Let's not forget that to accommodate O'Neill's super new central defenders of Curtis Davies and Zat Knight, we also had to shunt Olof Mellberg out to right back.
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
I can remember us selling two England internationals to Middlesbrough; there wasn't much of a queue for either of them. You can attempt to re-write history as much as you like but the fact is that Cahill looked every inch a top quality player of the future when he was here and just about everyone except Martin O'Neill thought so.
I'm not re-writing anything Dave. I asked a question as to why more clubs didn't see what apparently everyone except MON did? And I'm not defending MON because none of us want to see our top prospects leave.
I have absolutely no idea, but I do know that virtually everyone on here thought he was mistaken, and this was at the height of his popularity.
Let's not forget that to accommodate O'Neill's super new central defenders of Curtis Davies and Zat Knight, we also had to shunt Olof Mellberg out to right back.
MON had a weird obsession about right backs. His 75 minute subs almost always involved fiddling around with right back.
Didn't Reo-Coker play there a few times, even?
Actually, I think I may have imagined that.
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
I can remember us selling two England internationals to Middlesbrough; there wasn't much of a queue for either of them. You can attempt to re-write history as much as you like but the fact is that Cahill looked every inch a top quality player of the future when he was here and just about everyone except Martin O'Neill thought so.
I'm not re-writing anything Dave. I asked a question as to why more clubs didn't see what apparently everyone except MON did? And I'm not defending MON because none of us want to see our top prospects leave.
I have absolutely no idea, but I do know that virtually everyone on here thought he was mistaken, and this was at the height of his popularity.
Let's not forget that to accommodate O'Neill's super new central defenders of Curtis Davies and Zat Knight, we also had to shunt Olof Mellberg out to right back.
MON had a weird obsession about right backs. His 75 minute subs almost always involved fiddling around with right back.
Didn't Reo-Coker play there a few times, even?
Actually, I think I may have imagined that.
Yeah I remember Coker playing there a couple of times.
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If the club was being run right during the Lambert era. By that I mean the footballing side, then a good defensive coach would have spotted Lowton's shortcomings and sorted them. I'm assuming this never happened. Given that scenario being correct (I don't know) then I believe a player with potential has passed us by. We shall see how he performs next season. Anyway, good luck Matt, thanks for your efforts.
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He still could have stayed at the club. He didn't have to leave. Did the manager force him out and tell him he had no future because of his style? If he did I stand corrected. And if he looked an England regular why did he end up at Bolton valued at around Ł5m and not a club of greater significance? Because future England regulars costing Ł5m don't come around every day. You'd think they'd be lined up around Villa Park to sign him.
I can remember us selling two England internationals to Middlesbrough; there wasn't much of a queue for either of them. You can attempt to re-write history as much as you like but the fact is that Cahill looked every inch a top quality player of the future when he was here and just about everyone except Martin O'Neill thought so.
I'm not re-writing anything Dave. I asked a question as to why more clubs didn't see what apparently everyone except MON did? And I'm not defending MON because none of us want to see our top prospects leave.
I have absolutely no idea, but I do know that virtually everyone on here thought he was mistaken, and this was at the height of his popularity.
Let's not forget that to accommodate O'Neill's super new central defenders of Curtis Davies and Zat Knight, we also had to shunt Olof Mellberg out to right back.
MON had a weird obsession about right backs. His 75 minute subs almost always involved fiddling around with right back.
Didn't Reo-Coker play there a few times, even?
Actually, I think I may have imagined that.
Was it Houllier who moved Reo-Coker to right back for a time?
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The best game I ever remember Reo-Coker having for us was at right-back - a 0-0 at home to Man Utd where he didn't give Ronaldo a kick all match.
Although that might just say more about how limited he was when playing as a midfielder.
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He played there in Mellberg's last home game when Harewood came on.
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Without going too off topic who can forget MONs greatest ever right back scenario - Emile Heskey for the last 10 minutes against Boro in our last away game of the season one year. I thi k it was the one where Petrov clattered Downing as well and broke his foot!!
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Letting Cahill go was a mistake and pretty sure it was obvious at the time with O'Neill oddly and stubbornly preferring Knight.
Letting Cahill certainly was a clanger but think Knight was brought in primarily as back up to Laursen and Davies.
Think Knight was relatively solid as a backup centre half when he came in, it was Davies and Cuellar who went to pot completely after Laursen's injury.
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I'm sure NRC Played right back under mon when we got battered at Anfield ?
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He was at right back when Yobo scored to put Everton 3-2 up before we went up the other end and Carew equalised. The first 6th place finish season.
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I remember The the jackal aka Carlos Cuellar playing loads of awkward games at RB. It was MON's Waterloo.
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Lowton (and Weimann) showed promised but failed to kick-on, do people feel that this was because they lacked the cajoles to push to the highest level or was it a consequence of a lack of coaching? You could argue that both had the athleticism to make it but their tactical knowledge and skills never really improved. It seems bonkers that Lambert/the club decided to go down this buy 'promising youngsters' route without seemingly having the desire to develop the players - an example being going for months without a full complement of coaches.
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Lowton (and Weimann) showed promised but failed to kick-on, do people feel that this was because they lacked the cajoles to push to the highest level or was it a consequence of a lack of coaching? You could argue that both had the athleticism to make it but their tactical knowledge and skills never really improved. It seems bonkers that Lambert/the club decided to go down this buy 'promising youngsters' route without seemingly having the desire to develop the players - an example being going for months without a full complement of coaches.
The biggest problem was throwing too many unproven players into the first team at the same time.
The second biggest was that despite most of those showing some form of promise / ability, it was never nurtured and allowed to develop. In fact after hitting a highpoint in spring of his Lambert's first season, the whole team regressed in a very ugly death spiral.
Remember Sherwood's comment about them having to try and teach Bacuna how to play fullback in a week after a few days in the job. The gut who'd played a fair percentage of his appearances at fullback with everyone saying how was good going forwards but heart attack material when defending. (Not saying that he'll ever make a good fullback, might be why Sherwood's looking at other alternatives if the rumours are true)
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Lowton (and Weimann) showed promised but failed to kick-on, do people feel that this was because they lacked the cajoles to push to the highest level or was it a consequence of a lack of coaching? You could argue that both had the athleticism to make it but their tactical knowledge and skills never really improved. It seems bonkers that Lambert/the club decided to go down this buy 'promising youngsters' route without seemingly having the desire to develop the players - an example being going for months without a full complement of coaches.
I would strongly argue that Lowton's LACK of athleticism is one of the reasons he wasn't suited to the Premier League long term.
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Lowton (and Weimann) showed promised but failed to kick-on, do people feel that this was because they lacked the cajoles to push to the highest level or was it a consequence of a lack of coaching? You could argue that both had the athleticism to make it but their tactical knowledge and skills never really improved. It seems bonkers that Lambert/the club decided to go down this buy 'promising youngsters' route without seemingly having the desire to develop the players - an example being going for months without a full complement of coaches.
I would strongly argue that Lowton's LACK of athleticism is one of the reasons he wasn't suited to the Premier League long term.
Absolutely agree on that.
The whole "young and hungry" concept seemed to be based on the idea that what you had to do was pick up a collection of cheap, younger players, stick them in the team for enough premier league games, and eventually, they'd just "magically" become good.
It looked nuts at the time, and now we know a bit more about the chaotic coaching situation (Karsa, Culverhouse, Keane, then nobody etc) it looks even more nuts with hindsight.
I honestly think they (Faulkner, Lerner) just thought that if you wanted it to happen enough, if you gave it a chance to happen, it'd just happen. Just like making the bomb squad train with the kids would "make" other clubs come in for them.
At worst stupidity, at best, naivety.
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I certainly don't overrate him. I just think our memory of him is maybe more fond than it should be because of that goal. There is no doubt he was a very promising talent but he didn't have to leave. He could have stayed and fought for his place. The way it went with the other players unless MON had a personal gripe then he'd have worked his way into the first team. It's a shame how it all went down and that he felt he had to go to Bolton to get regular first team action. But it also says a lot that he went to Bolton and not to a higher profile side as to how many other managers felt about him at the time. If everyone thought he'd become the player he is then he would have gone elsewhere. I think most saw him as a very good prospect, not quite ready for the first team and with room for improvement. Just as MON probably and his coaches saw him at the time.
This was the main problem, he did this and deserved a chance to keep his spot but mon decided to sign Davies and Knight and push both of them in front of him.
I think the timing played a big part in Cahill leaving. He was 22/23 ready for first team football and coming towards the end of his contract. At the time he was being kept out by a Laursen/ Davies partnership. For me Laursen is the best centre half i've seen since McGrath and Davies had just been deservedly called into the England squad. I thought Cahill looked a real prospect but hand on heart wouldn't have picked him ahead of those two at the time. Weeks after we had sold Cahill, Davies did his achilles and was out for months. Had that injury have occured earler then Cahill may have signed a new deal and got the first team football he wanted. Ifs and buts which is football.
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People also forget how good Knight was during the first half of that season 07/08 alongside Laursen when Davies was injured. The pair of them, in the season that Cahill was sold, were solid with Laursen. As QB says, you'd be hard pushed to say you wouldn't have played them at the time in favour of Cahill.
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Lowton (and Weimann) showed promised but failed to kick-on, do people feel that this was because they lacked the cajoles to push to the highest level or was it a consequence of a lack of coaching? You could argue that both had the athleticism to make it but their tactical knowledge and skills never really improved. It seems bonkers that Lambert/the club decided to go down this buy 'promising youngsters' route without seemingly having the desire to develop the players - an example being going for months without a full complement of coaches.
I would strongly argue that Lowton's LACK of athleticism is one of the reasons he wasn't suited to the Premier League long term.
Absolutely agree on that.
The whole "young and hungry" concept seemed to be based on the idea that what you had to do was pick up a collection of cheap, younger players, stick them in the team for enough premier league games, and eventually, they'd just "magically" become good.
It looked nuts at the time, and now we know a bit more about the chaotic coaching situation (Karsa, Culverhouse, Keane, then nobody etc) it looks even more nuts with hindsight.
I honestly think they (Faulkner, Lerner) just thought that if you wanted it to happen enough, if you gave it a chance to happen, it'd just happen. Just like making the bomb squad train with the kids would "make" other clubs come in for them.
At worst stupidity, at best, naivety.
Woodhall and I had a beer with Faulkner in the Bartons after the last game of the season when this was first being mooted.
PF was giddy with excitement about how we could become an English Ajax. I was thinking "you haven't quite grasped this have you chief".
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At 26 and not looking like progressing enough then I can see why we have moved Lowton on, but I did always like him. Have a bad feeling that we will still be seeing Hutton lumbling about the touchline come August too.
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Lumbling -what a great new word!
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Yep..he certainly is a right ugly lumbler.
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We appear to have considered anyone under 25 to be classed as 'kids' in recent years and allowances should be made for them. They weren't exactly Spink, Williams, Gibson, Cowans and Shaw were they? More like Norton, Glover, Walker, Bradley and Kerr.
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People also forget how good Knight was during the first half of that season 07/08 alongside Laursen when Davies was injured. The pair of them, in the season that Cahill was sold, were solid with Laursen. As QB says, you'd be hard pushed to say you wouldn't have played them at the time in favour of Cahill.
The clue is in the reading, all of Davies, Knight & Cahill had wonderful appearances alongside Laursen. Only one was capable of doing the same when marvelous Martin wasn't playing and he was the one that was sold.
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Didn't we concede fifty league goals or more with Davies/Knight partnering Laursen in 07/08? The defence wasn't that good. Just as well we pwnd teams at setplays and counters.
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Didn't we concede fifty league goals or more with Davies/Knight partnering Laursen in 07/08? The defence wasn't that good. Just as well we pwnd teams at setplays and counters.
Just looking at the table for that season.
2007 - we scored 37 away goals. 2014/15 - we scored 31 goals *total*
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We didn't really need to sign Knight though.
MON could've done something radical like I don't know actually sign a right back to play in that position and we could've then had Laursen, Mellberg, Davies and Cahill fighting for the 4 positions which would've been a nice balance.
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Faint praise I know, but I thought Lowton was one of Lambert's better signings and think he would have been okay in a better side. Interesting to see the level of clubs our Premier League regulars are ending up at though.
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Faint praise I know, but I thought Lowton was one of Lambert's better signings and think he would have been okay in a better side. Interesting to see the level of clubs our Premier League regulars are ending up at though.
Each to their own, but I thought he was largely dreadful, and his poor defensive ability was masked to a certain extent by the two wonder goals he scored.
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Lowton had a good spell towards the end of Lamberts first season.
Apart from that, his performances ranged from mediocre to poor.
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Faint praise I know, but I thought Lowton was one of Lambert's better signings and think he would have been okay in a better side. Interesting to see the level of clubs our Premier League regulars are ending up at though.
Each to their own, but I thought he was largely dreadful, and his poor defensive ability was masked to a certain extent by the two wonder goals he scored.
I couldn't agree more. He also wore a T shirt under his kit which is always a bad sign, especially when you can see it. With his youthful looks, he always reminded me of a boy at school who was no good at football but wanted to be popular and who had been asked to fill in for the 1st XI at the last moment and most of the time that is exactly how he played
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Faint praise I know, but I thought Lowton was one of Lambert's better signings and think he would have been okay in a better side. Interesting to see the level of clubs our Premier League regulars are ending up at though.
Each to their own, but I thought he was largely dreadful, and his poor defensive ability was masked to a certain extent by the two wonder goals he scored.
I couldn't agree more. He also wore a T shirt under his kit which is always a bad sign, especially when you can see it. With his youthful looks, he always reminded me of a boy at school who was no good at football but wanted to be popular and who had been asked to fill in for the 1st XI at the last moment and most of the time that is exactly how he played
I don't remember going to school with you.
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I remember towards the end of his first season, he was being linked with bids from Arsenal.
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I remember towards the end of his first season, he was being linked with bids from Arsenal.
That shows how awful some of these transfer rumours are
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Slow and crap at defending, he's found his level...maybe
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Thing that pissed me off more than anything was his attitude at times, he is getting a good wage playing shite football and yet not good enough for him
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Pussy whipped
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Pussy whipped
I know the feeling but didn't want to say it lol
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I liked Lowton. Nice footballer to watch as he was decent on the ball.
He just lacked that bit extra to kick on and back up his strong finish to 12/13.
Plenty of full backs in the premier league can't defend, we see that every week particularly against players with pace. The problem Lowton had is once people got past him they were gone as he didn't have any recovery pace, see the Falcao goal when Young did him.
If he had that he'd still be in the premier league, here or elsewhere.
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Thing that pissed me off more than anything was his attitude at times, he is getting a good wage playing shite football and yet not good enough for him
Harsh. I don't recall him pulling a strop.
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When going forward did he ever go down the line ? He always seemed cut in side when he had the ball which I thought was strange.
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Made it into team of the week for the BBC this week.
Memory maybe rose tinted but always thought he was a solid if unspectacular option.
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Chuffed for him, likeable bloke who tried his best.
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Made it into team of the week for the BBC this week.
Memory maybe rose tinted but always thought he was a solid if unspectacular option.
Tidy enough on the ball but he consistently would be sold by a winger feigning to go inside before dusting him down the line. Incredibly slow on the turn. Brutal defending his post in the air too. Nah he was shite really
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Made it into team of the week for the BBC this week.
Memory maybe rose tinted but always thought he was a solid if unspectacular option.
Good for him, but I'm still glad he's not in our team anymore. He's worse than Richards when it comes to being out of position.
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Reasonable going forward but a poor defender. I'll remember his positives though - a wonder goal at Stoke and an amazing individual performance at home to Sunderland when we gave them a real good hiding.
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Lowton versus any player with a hint of pace will be skinned every time. But I suppose if your team only has 20% possession in a game then he isn't going to be getting forward too much so he'll look half decent doing the thing he's fairly good at.
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Perhaps it is a case of Lowton has benefitted from some proper coaching and has improved - Villa did have a remarkable gift for turning decent players into crap. Hopefully those days are in the past.
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Made it into team of the week for the BBC this week.
Memory maybe rose tinted but always thought he was a solid if unspectacular option.
Good for him, but I'm still glad he's not in our team anymore. He's worse than Richards when it comes to being out of position.
The big difference however is that Lowton was on manageable wages and arguably more willing to learn and adapt, whereas Richards seems oblivious to any failings. Out of the two I think I'd prefer a squad of Lowtons although I ultimately agree that it's not exactly a choice if good v bad.
In many ways I think we failed Lowton - and others - by Lambert seemingly deciding to abandon any sort coaching structure at the club. At one point I think it was just Lambert and a couple of other coaches.
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Perhaps it is a case of Lowton has benefitted from some proper coaching and has improved - Villa did have a remarkable gift for turning decent players into crap. Hopefully those days are in the past.
Correct, VC.
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Perhaps it is a case of Lowton has benefitted from some proper coaching and has improved - Villa did have a remarkable gift for turning decent players into crap. Hopefully those days are in the past.
My thoughts, too.
He was very good going forward, could certainly cross a ball and he could read the game pretty well.
If only he'd have had some proper defensive coaching.
As you say, he joined us during a period where we turned decent players to crap.
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Perhaps it is a case of Lowton has benefitted from some proper coaching and has improved - Villa did have a remarkable gift for turning decent players into crap. Hopefully those days are in the past.
My thoughts, too.
He was very good going forward, could certainly cross a ball and he could read the game pretty well.
If only he'd have had some proper defensive coaching.
As you say, he joined us during a period where we turned decent players to crap.
I don't know what you mean when you claim he read the game well when his positional sense was absolutely appalling. Also I don't go with the "poor coaching" routine that some of our fans spout regarding the last 6 years either. We just bought inferior players not fit for the PL. Claiming its down to poor coaching sounds like a convenient excuse to me.
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Perhaps it is a case of Lowton has benefitted from some proper coaching and has improved - Villa did have a remarkable gift for turning decent players into crap. Hopefully those days are in the past.
My thoughts, too.
He was very good going forward, could certainly cross a ball and he could read the game pretty well.
If only he'd have had some proper defensive coaching.
As you say, he joined us during a period where we turned decent players to crap.
I don't know what you mean when you claim he read the game well when his positional sense was absolutely appalling. Also I don't go with the "poor coaching" routine that some of our fans spout regarding the last 6 years either. We just bought inferior players not fit for the PL. Claiming its down to poor coaching sounds like a convenient excuse to me.
Or the elephant in the room you try to ignore, s_h.
For me, Lowton had tonnes of potential that was never developed.
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Perhaps it is a case of Lowton has benefitted from some proper coaching and has improved - Villa did have a remarkable gift for turning decent players into crap. Hopefully those days are in the past.
My thoughts, too.
He was very good going forward, could certainly cross a ball and he could read the game pretty well.
If only he'd have had some proper defensive coaching.
As you say, he joined us during a period where we turned decent players to crap.
I don't know what you mean when you claim he read the game well when his positional sense was absolutely appalling. Also I don't go with the "poor coaching" routine that some of our fans spout regarding the last 6 years either. We just bought inferior players not fit for the PL. Claiming its down to poor coaching sounds like a convenient excuse to me.
Some were inferior players, that is clear and undeniable. Others that we bought, or who came through at the club, had the potential to be easily good enough for midtable in the premier league. Ryan Bertrand is a good example, started well with us, looked terrible by the end of his spell. Went to a club with a decent coaching structure and is now and England international, Marc Albrighton came through brilliantly then faded and we couldn't find a way to get him playing at that level again, he's now got a league winners medal. Okore is another example of where a player has gone backwards at the club and players like Clark and Baker showing the same technical flaws 5-6 years after they first appeared in the first team again shows that no one on the coaching team was capable of identifying and fixing those weaknesses.
Putting al lthe blame on players means that you think the only think fundamentally wrong at the club over the last 5-6 years is that we didn't spend enough money, which is hugely naive when so many clubs that are still in the premier league spent less and had lower wage bills than us in that period. If you take a more balanced view that the playing side of the club was managed terribly by an owner who didn't really want to know then you have to start to point fingers at coaching, scouting, fitness, etc as all being below the required standards with poorly scouted players and poorly developed players coming as a consequence of those issues.
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It's hard to think of a player that's even slightly improved in their time with us of late. Fullbacks especially, all make a bright start then rapidly get shitter right before our eyes.
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Since Houllier left up to the end of last season, how many players have improved at the Villa besides Delph and Benteke? We must be talking about 50 odd players in 5 years and I can think of 2 that improved. No matter how bad you think our transfer policy was in that time, it shows there has been something fundamentally wrong with the coaching for years regardless of who was manager.
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Perhaps it is a case of Lowton has benefitted from some proper coaching and has improved - Villa did have a remarkable gift for turning decent players into crap. Hopefully those days are in the past.
My thoughts, too.
He was very good going forward, could certainly cross a ball and he could read the game pretty well.
If only he'd have had some proper defensive coaching.
As you say, he joined us during a period where we turned decent players to crap.
I don't know what you mean when you claim he read the game well when his positional sense was absolutely appalling. Also I don't go with the "poor coaching" routine that some of our fans spout regarding the last 6 years either. We just bought inferior players not fit for the PL. Claiming its down to poor coaching sounds like a convenient excuse to me.
You obviously thought Lambert a good coach then?
After his first season we should have kicked on, the players bought in, and through, didn't look that out of place in the Prem, certainly easy mid table standard. Every one went backwards in the second season. That can only be down to coaching.
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Since Houllier left up to the end of last season, how many players have improved at the Villa besides Delph and Benteke? We must be talking about 50 odd players in 5 years and I can think of 2 that improved. No matter how bad you think our transfer policy was in that time, it shows there has been something fundamentally wrong with the coaching for years regardless of who was manager.
Good point but I think we also failed some of our players by not bringing in some players with determination and fighting spirit. We were left with a team of boys v men.
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Perhaps it is a case of Lowton has benefitted from some proper coaching and has improved - Villa did have a remarkable gift for turning decent players into crap. Hopefully those days are in the past.
My thoughts, too.
He was very good going forward, could certainly cross a ball and he could read the game pretty well.
If only he'd have had some proper defensive coaching.
As you say, he joined us during a period where we turned decent players to crap.
I don't know what you mean when you claim he read the game well when his positional sense was absolutely appalling. Also I don't go with the "poor coaching" routine that some of our fans spout regarding the last 6 years either. We just bought inferior players not fit for the PL. Claiming its down to poor coaching sounds like a convenient excuse to me.
You obviously thought Lambert a good coach then?
After his first season we should have kicked on, the players bought in, and through, didn't look that out of place in the Prem, certainly easy mid table standard. Every one went backwards in the second season. That can only be down to coaching.
Or not so good players having a one off season. Like a really shit version of Leicester.
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Perhaps it is a case of Lowton has benefitted from some proper coaching and has improved - Villa did have a remarkable gift for turning decent players into crap. Hopefully those days are in the past.
My thoughts, too.
He was very good going forward, could certainly cross a ball and he could read the game pretty well.
If only he'd have had some proper defensive coaching.
As you say, he joined us during a period where we turned decent players to crap.
I don't know what you mean when you claim he read the game well when his positional sense was absolutely appalling. Also I don't go with the "poor coaching" routine that some of our fans spout regarding the last 6 years either. We just bought inferior players not fit for the PL. Claiming its down to poor coaching sounds like a convenient excuse to me.
You obviously thought Lambert a good coach then?
After his first season we should have kicked on, the players bought in, and through, didn't look that out of place in the Prem, certainly easy mid table standard. Every one went backwards in the second season. That can only be down to coaching.
Or not so good players having a one off season. Like a really shit version of Leicester.
Fair point, and I could accept one, or even two, one season wonders, but not all together, surely?
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Lowton is was better than any of our current options at right back.
No idea why he went from OK, to poor but ad you say we managed to make players regress.
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Lambert was limited.
Lowton was not a very good defender, but he could have been improved by good coaching.
I think people need to move on. Always going on about old players after a few good games and wishing them to come back....
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Lowton is was better than any of our current options at right back.
No idea why he went from OK, to poor but ad you say we managed to make players regress.
Wasn't there a breaking down of the relationship over that summer. Something about whether he lived in Sheffield or something. His Mrs was on twitter about it.
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Reasonable going forward but a poor defender. I'll remember his positives though - a wonder goal at Stoke and an amazing individual performance at home to Sunderland when we gave them a real good hiding.
I thought he played fairly well first season...certainly better than Bennett looked.
Started to fall out of favour second season...and all I remember from him in 14/15 was being skinned by Young for the Falcao goal.
Still rated him a little bit more than many of lambert's signings so no huge surprise to me he's doing fine in less pressure at Burnley.
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Lowton wasn't a terrible footballer but his biggest weakness was lack of pace which meant he regularly got skinned by quick wingers. Totally agree with Paul_e about coaching, scouting, and fitness all being sub standard at least since Houllier left. but the failure to develop our own youngsters goes back much further than that.
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It's hard to think of a player that's even slightly improved in their time with us of late. Fullbacks especially, all make a bright start then rapidly get shitter right before our eyes.
From Warnock until today, they turn up looking a great investment but within a few months they get Villaised. If only it was the full backs.
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Lowton is was better than any of our current options at right back.
No idea why he went from OK, to poor but ad you say we managed to make players regress.
Wasn't there a breaking down of the relationship over that summer. Something about whether he lived in Sheffield or something. His Mrs was on twitter about it.
this was also when bullying was common under the Lambert regime.
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It's hard to think of a player that's even slightly improved in their time with us of late. Fullbacks especially, all make a bright start then rapidly get shitter right before our eyes.
From Warnock until today, they turn up looking a great investment but within a few months they get Villaised. If only it was the full backs.
I said somewhere else recently, no one else could have spent so much on potential and seen 99.999% of it turn to utter shit over the last few years and the few players we've had through the doors with some pedigree go backwards at an alarming rate. Even if we'd just been lobbing darts at board with random players posted on it you'd expect a better rate of return, all things being equal.
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Lowton is was better than any of our current options at right back.
No idea why he went from OK, to poor but ad you say we managed to make players regress.
Wasn't there a breaking down of the relationship over that summer. Something about whether he lived in Sheffield or something. His Mrs was on twitter about it.
this was also when bullying was common under the Lambert regime.
I'd love to read the whole story behind the scenes during the Lambert Era but I doubt we'll get it unless someone writes the tell all style book.
Lowton had probably the most potential from Lambert signings after Benteke but looks to have been badly mismanaged.