Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on September 03, 2012, 08:08:15 PM
-
Pravda clarification (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2906292,00.html)
In a press release dated August 1, 2012 Aston Villa Football Club made a number of assertions and comments about the medical treatment received by Richard Dunne during his service with the Ireland team during the European Championships.
We wish to acknowledge that Richard Dunne received the highest standard of medical care before and during the Championships and apologise to those involved in providing his treatment if any other impression was erroneously given.
What's going on here?
-
I suspect our club doctor upon inspection felt the liposuction hadn't been as successful as the Irish camp has claimed.
-
It was in all the papers over here.
It was said that Dunne's current injury was not picked up by the F.A.I.'s medical team at the Euros and they were to blame for him missing the start of the season.
-
I remember about four weeks ago or so the club issued a statement about the injuries to Gabby, Dunne, and Albrighton. Towards the end of the statement they made a remark about how Dunne was allowed to play with an injury or something along those lines and they seemed to have a bit of a go at the Irish medical team.
-
Is there really any need for that dig in the thread title? Quite pathetic.
-
It should be noted that the correction refers to medical treatment he received but makes no reference to whether he should have been playing in the first place. It would seem the FAI are in the clear but does the question still remain was the player fit enough to play?
-
Is there really any need for that dig in the thread title? Quite pathetic.
Dear me, it was just a little light-heartedness.
-
Is there really any need for that dig in the thread title? Quite pathetic.
Agree, he's still a villa player and that's hardly respectful to him.
Maybe meant in humour legion but not in the best of taste.
-
Is there really any need for that dig in the thread title? Quite pathetic.
Agree, he's still a villa player and that's hardly respectful to him.
Besides I've heard he's more into pasties and burgers nowadays.
-
It's not half as disrespectful than that bloody stupid "On the piss m'lord" song.
-
I think the thread title should be changed immediately to Richard whose calorie intake is exactly correct for a person of his size Dunne. What is presently in place is blatant weightism.
-
Richarf Tonne loves pies..
-
Is there really any need for that dig in the thread title? Quite pathetic.
Dear me, it was just a little light-heartedness.
Agreed.
-
Is there really any need for that dig in the thread title? Quite pathetic.
Agree, he's still a villa player and that's hardly respectful to him.
Maybe meant in humour legion but not in the best of taste.
It's not as if he's respected his condition in the past is it? Pissed up on a club trip & abusing younger players, clearly overweight, when he starts respecting himself & his responsibilities I'm sure others will follow suit.
-
I thought about changing it to 'Lean, mean defending machine'.
-
Almost Leeg "Lean Mean Green Defending Machine" which he is when he plays for his national team.
-
Almost Leeg "Lean Mean Green Defending Machine" which he is when he plays for his national team.
When Is dicky dunne due back from injury ?
-
Check the referees roster and when we have one who hates us and is certain to award at least one penalty against us, that will be Richard's comeback game.
-
Fat, not lean, Scotch Machine....
-
I thought about changing it to 'Lean, mean defending machine'.
if it wasnt for a fabulous game away at the baggies, we would have gone down. He was immense that day!
-
In an ideal world, before every game where Dunne is not fit to play, he would do sit-ups in the centre circle until he is sick.
I am sort of joking.
-
I think the thread title should be changed immediately to Richard whose calorie intake is exactly correct for a person of his size Dunne. What is presently in place is blatant weightism.
Apparantly Hitler, Mussolini and Franco were all prejudiced against large people - bloody Fatists ;)
-
I thought about changing it to 'Lean, mean defending machine'.
That's probably even more disrespectful as it's obviously sarcastic.
How is a thread title creating more discussion than the actual content? Must be a monday.
-
I thought about changing it to 'Lean, mean defending machine'.
That's probably even more disrespectful as it's obviously sarcastic.
How is a thread title creating more discussion than the actual content? Must be a monday.
Bloody Hell. That was trying to be light-hearted aswell.
-
I thought about changing it to 'Lean, mean defending machine'.
if it wasnt for a fabulous game away at the baggies, we would have gone down. He was immense that day!
Immense!?
-
I thought about changing it to 'Lean, mean defending machine'.
if it wasnt for a fabulous game away at the baggies, we would have gone down. He was immense that day!
Immense!?
lol
-
He was morbidly immense.
-
In an ideal world, before every game where Dunne is not fit to play, he would do sit-ups in the centre circle until he is sick.
I imagine that would be two sit-ups.
-
He was morbidly immense.
i am a big fan, shit, i mean massive fan, shit i mean he is huge for us, shit,,,
i think he will be really beneficial for this team when he is back, he is a big loss, shit,,,
-
I don't see the problem.
Every game he's played in the last two years he's not been fit to play from what I've seen.
-
It's a shame Brian Glover is dead, he'd have been a perfect fitness coach.
-
he could do sit ups and press ups in the centre circle, does that help dave woodhall in the press pun department?? ,,, i'll get me coat!
-
Is there really any need for that dig in the thread title? Quite pathetic.
Dear me, it was just a little light-heartedness.
We'll have none of that here, thank you.
This is a football site.
Where men can talk solemnly about football.
Enjoyment, pleasure, and entertainment have no place here.
This is about Aston Villa me laddie
And we are miserable gurning whingers
Bedsheet painters and booers or our own.
Or are we?
-
It's a shame Brian Glover is dead, he'd have been a perfect fitness coach.
Shit - Bernard Manning's unavailable too.
-
I think he'll be quite good for us when/if he gets back in.
It is contract renewal/free transfer time.
-
I thought about changing it to 'Lean, mean defending machine'.
Good job you only thought about it.
-
I'm struggling with the concept of Richard Dunne being fit to play a game of football.
I wouldn't use the word 'blame' either when pointing the finger at who may be responsible for missing the start of the season.
-
In an ideal world, before every game where Dunne is not fit to play, he would do sit-ups in the centre circle until he is sick.
I imagine that would be two sit-ups.
That assumes he manages to get as far as the centre circle.
-
He may not be fit, but he certainly ain't fat !! I ve seen him a lot at the Belfry in the pool and hot tub. There really isn't an ounce of fat on him. It surprised me, but there you go!!
-
He may not be fit, but he certainly ain't fat !! I ve seen him a lot at the Belfry in the pool and hot tub. There really isn't an ounce of fat on him. It surprised me, but there you go!!
Eyes wide open and look of shock thingy.
-
The hot tub was full of curry.
-
Non league football is full of wonderfully skilled footballers who can't be arsed to stay fit.
-
Are you giving Richard career direction?
-
He may not be fit, but he certainly ain't fat !! I ve seen him a lot at the Belfry in the pool and hot tub. There really isn't an ounce of fat on him. It surprised me, but there you go!!
Big boned I believe is the required term.
-
This is about Aston Villa me laddie
And we are miserable gurning whingers
Bedsheet painters and booers or our own.
Call that a post?! Boooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
-
He's right though, we are crap fans. And we know fuck all as well.
Except him.
-
I remember seeing Dunne in the Mailbox car park and he actually doesnt look fat at all when stood next to him.
He seems smaller than he looks on the pitch.
I hope Lambert sticks to Clark & Vlaar in the meantime.
-
I was reading this thread yesterday. The Mrs happened to peer at the screen and then asked me:
"Who is Richard Dunne? Is he fat then?"
I said "Yes, he's a big fat bastard!"
Then the Mrs wanted photographic proof because she didn't think there'd be such a thing as a fat, professional footballer, assuming they all had to stay fit and based on the few minutes she's ever managed to watch any football without wanting to gouge her eyes out.
So I googled Richard Dunne. Scoured through images, whilst the Mrs kept saying to me "What are you talking about! He's not fat, you're all a bunch of idiots on your silly site!"
I tried and tried to find a really standout, lardy, grotesque picture of Dunney but couldn't. He's beefy I guess in certain picks, and in the Acorns on our shirts days he looks more slender. I just couldn't find a decent fat pic to prove to the Mrs that we have Fatty Arbuckle playing for us.
-
Your Missus is right. We are just a bunch of body fascists.
-
The missus always asks me why Lampard is called Fat Frank.
-
Your Missus is right. We are just a bunch of body fascists.
The best part was that I had my shirt off at the time and my McDonalds hamper was hanging out, whilst calling Dunney a tubby bugger.
-
Well we call Gareth Barry lard arse as well. My issue with Dunne is he smokes, which ain't good when high levels of fitness is required in your job. Those split seconds count, may explain why he scores so many own goals.
-
I was reading this thread yesterday. The Mrs happened to peer at the screen and then asked me:
"Who is Richard Dunne? Is he fat then?"
I said "Yes, he's a big fat bastard!"
Then the Mrs wanted photographic proof because she didn't think there'd be such a thing as a fat, professional footballer, assuming they all had to stay fit and based on the few minutes she's ever managed to watch any football without wanting to gouge her eyes out.
So I googled Richard Dunne. Scoured through images, whilst the Mrs kept saying to me "What are you talking about! He's not fat, you're all a bunch of idiots on your silly site!"
I tried and tried to find a really standout, lardy, grotesque picture of Dunney but couldn't. He's beefy I guess in certain picks, and in the Acorns on our shirts days he looks more slender. I just couldn't find a decent fat pic to prove to the Mrs that we have Fatty Arbuckle playing for us.
She's got us all worked out though.
-
I was reading this thread yesterday. The Mrs happened to peer at the screen and then asked me:
"Who is Richard Dunne? Is he fat then?"
I said "Yes, he's a big fat bastard!"
Then the Mrs wanted photographic proof because she didn't think there'd be such a thing as a fat, professional footballer, assuming they all had to stay fit and based on the few minutes she's ever managed to watch any football without wanting to gouge her eyes out.
So I googled Richard Dunne. Scoured through images, whilst the Mrs kept saying to me "What are you talking about! He's not fat, you're all a bunch of idiots on your silly site!"
I tried and tried to find a really standout, lardy, grotesque picture of Dunney but couldn't. He's beefy I guess in certain picks, and in the Acorns on our shirts days he looks more slender. I just couldn't find a decent fat pic to prove to the Mrs that we have Fatty Arbuckle playing for us.
Just tell her he's fat in the same way as Gareth Barry has a huge fat arse. Not High street kebab eating pushing a buggy with your stomach fat but footballer fat. A different scale of fat but fat nevertheless.
-
I think we refer to players being fat in comparison to other players not in general terms. When you look at say Ronaldo which I know is an extreme comparison to Dunne in many ways....... he will look fatter.
The same goes for Rooney, I'm sure If you met him he wouldn't look fat in any way, but when he played in the Euros to me he looked over weight and not fit. I don't think players such as Rooney and Dunne help themselves by probably eating the wrong food drinking and smoking but thinking they can get away with because of the training.
-
Gabby looks fatter than he used too ;D
-
Well I don't care if he's fat.He's still (until Vlaar at least has a full season) our best defender. Throughout his professional career the only manager who's had a problem with him was Houllier, and to be fair old Gerard fell out with plenty of players. We're a better side with him in the team and that's all that concerns me.
-
Well we call Gareth Barry lard arse as well. My issue with Dunne is he smokes, which ain't good when high levels of fitness is required in your job.
Did you have an issue with Laursen smoking? I'm not saying that it's a good thing that he does it, but it's not as if you can't do it and still be brilliant.
-
And Bozzie and Ugo.
-
Maybe he has the opposite of what Paul McGrath had. A sort of natural unfitness.
-
I suppose when you look at him he isn't really a fat person. He just moves like one. Deceptively slim?
-
I think Dunnes fitness has always been an issue. Injuries too. I suppose he's at that stage where he's best as a cotton wool defender who comes in whenever he's fit, for the big games. The difference though between Dunne and say Ledley King at Spurs, is that Spurs really rated King as a must play, as and when he was able. Or perhaps like latter day McGrath for us. Dunney hasn't done enough to make him indispensible for us, nor missed greatly. I don't think his influence over the squad and younger players has always been the most positive either.
That said, on his day he's decent. He could still prove useful for us, particularly of Concrete gets injured, but I think he's a goner in the next two windows.
-
Well I don't care if he's fat.He's still (until Vlaar at least has a full season) our best defender. Throughout his professional career the only manager who's had a problem with him was Houllier, and to be fair old Gerard fell out with plenty of players. We're a better side with him in the team and that's all that concerns me.
I just can't agree. Dunne is our best defender for 89minutes. In the other minute he's a liability and has been for 2 years. He also had the same reputation at Man City.
-
Chris Froome. There's a fat bastard.
-
Yes I never trust a man whose elbows are fatter than his arms
-
Ginola was over weight. Not an ounce of fat on him, but overweight. That gives me hope when saying I'm overweight. I'm footballer overweight
-
Well I don't care if he's fat.He's still (until Vlaar at least has a full season) our best defender. Throughout his professional career the only manager who's had a problem with him was Houllier, and to be fair old Gerard fell out with plenty of players. We're a better side with him in the team and that's all that concerns me.
I just can't agree. Dunne is our best defender for 89minutes. In the other minute he's a liability and has been for 2 years. He also had the same reputation at Man City.
Wasn't he City's player of the season four seasons running?
-
THere's a great defender in Dunne. He just needs to be fit, focussed and partnered properly. If our new manager can get that out of him we'll have our best defender back.
-
Well I don't care if he's fat.He's still (until Vlaar at least has a full season) our best defender. Throughout his professional career the only manager who's had a problem with him was Houllier, and to be fair old Gerard fell out with plenty of players. We're a better side with him in the team and that's all that concerns me.
I just can't agree. Dunne is our best defender for 89minutes. In the other minute he's a liability and has been for 2 years. He also had the same reputation at Man City.
Wasn't he City's player of the season four seasons running?
When City were shit. Just look at our player of the season last time
-
For what it's worth I think Dunne still has a role to play and isn't the total disaster many seem to think, it's just the old player of the season at a former club thing needs to be taken with a pinch of salt at times.
-
The thing with smoking is that long term is seriously effects anyones health. If you are extremely fit and smoke then in the short term it does not really cause that much of a problem.
I have a friend who smokes (although casually, a few here and there with a beer etc rather than 20 a day man) and he regulary runs in marathons and even competes in Iron Man events - he is a fit as a butchers dog
You would be surprised on just how many top footballers smoke - so its not just a Dunne thing
-
I still think Dunne has a role to play at the club, so long as he has the right attitude. Maybe PL can make him focus again because even last season he showed on occasions there is a good player there. We cannot afford to omit him at this stage and he could be a major asset this season.
-
I think a problem for Dunne was he was partnered mostly with a drinking buddy last season. A drinking buddy who happened to be shite. That didn't help him.
If Lambert gets him off the booze, and fags, then hopefully he'll be better. In his first season for us, at his most slender, he was actually deceptively quick. He lost that pace when he returned heavier for the next season and has been slow ever since.
-
Inside every Richard Dunne there is a thin defender trying to get out.
I have a feeling Richard is going to he shit hot this season. Settled club, a manager that knows what he is doing and a defense that will be well coached. You never know, we might even have a midfield that protects them and a plan for defending set pieces this season.
C'mon Richard...your club needs you. A very good defender that has been at a club in turmoil for two seasons, this has effected his confidence.
-
Well I don't care if he's fat.He's still (until Vlaar at least has a full season) our best defender. Throughout his professional career the only manager who's had a problem with him was Houllier, and to be fair old Gerard fell out with plenty of players. We're a better side with him in the team and that's all that concerns me.
I just can't agree. Dunne is our best defender for 89minutes. In the other minute he's a liability and has been for 2 years. He also had the same reputation at Man City.
Wasn't he City's player of the season four seasons running?
When City were shit. Just look at our player of the season last time
A player who is a liability doesn't win the club's player of the season four seasons running.During that time they had some good players who were playing well.SWP,Distin,Anelka etc etc.
-
I'm glad we kept Dunne over Collins, but one of them had to go.
I'm hoping he returns fully fit.
-
I'm glad we kept Dunne over Collins, but one of them had to go.
Yes, me too, Dunne has his problems - quite a few of them - but he's much the better out of those two.
-
I'd rather stick to Vlaar and Clark with Baker and Lowton (with Lichaj coming in as right back) as back up. Don't think there's a need for Dunne any longer.
-
I'd rather stick to Vlaar and Clark with Baker and Lowton (with Lichaj coming in as right back) as back up. Don't think there's a need for Dunne any longer.
It's good to have another experienced option, though. Vlaar, Clark, Baker and Lowton have played about 20 premier league matches between them.
-
It's up to Dunne to show if there's a need for him. PL has shown that players will be picked on merit.
-
It's up to Dunne to show if there's a need for him. PL has shown that players will be picked on merit.
I think a fit and motivated Richard Dunne could still have a part to play for us this season. I would not be surprised to see him line up alongside Vlarr at times and thyere is always the possibility that PL might try a 3-5-2 formation at some point.
-
According to "Aston Villa Stats" on Twitter, since he joined the club we have lost 50% of games he hasn't started compared to 29% when he has.
-
According to "Aston Villa Stats" on Twitter, since he joined the club we have lost 50% of games he hasn't started compared to 29% when he has.
I suppose the stats for any player over the last couple of seasons would be pretty bad if they'd played a lot.
-
Now I've read the whole thread and still haven't worked out who ate all the pies. :-\
-
it's not bad luck that he scores so many own goals and concedes so many penalties and close range free-kicks. As I said, for 89 minutes he's a fantastic defender, but for that other minute there's always a mistake in him, he doesn't make that mistake every game but he does often enough that he's a risk. If he had gotten passed that he'd be a truly great defender but those mistakes that happen too often have totally restricted him.
-
You are exactly right paul e. Odd that one could write the same assessment of Ridgewell.
-
It looks like Dunne is the latest player whose reputation is starting to benefit from not being in the team. To call him 'one of the best when in form' would put him alongside the likes of Vidic or Komapny. He is well short of that.
Alongside his mistakes, he also has the cross to bear of being one of O'Neill's signature signings. Competent I guess, but what an opportunity wasted for the money he cost. He is now one of the decreasing number in the current squad that represents a time better left behind us.
In truth, he was past his sell-by date as a player and as a professional before we even bought him.
Who knows what Lambert thinks, but I'd rate him 4th choice centre back right now.
-
For a centre half he doesn't half miss a lot of headers
-
it's not bad luck that he scores so many own goals and concedes so many penalties and close range free-kicks. As I said, for 89 minutes he's a fantastic defender, but for that other minute there's always a mistake in him, he doesn't make that mistake every game but he does often enough that he's a risk. If he had gotten passed that he'd be a truly great defender but those mistakes that happen too often have totally restricted him.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. He's a decent Premier League defender and he's had a lot more good games than bad for us. To buy a defender that doesn't make mistakes would cost a lot more than £6m.
He was part of a very good defence under O'Neill and I think Lambert will see him as first choice once he's fit. After that it's up to him.
-
it's not bad luck that he scores so many own goals and concedes so many penalties and close range free-kicks. As I said, for 89 minutes he's a fantastic defender, but for that other minute there's always a mistake in him, he doesn't make that mistake every game but he does often enough that he's a risk. If he had gotten passed that he'd be a truly great defender but those mistakes that happen too often have totally restricted him.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. He's a decent Premier League defender and he's had a lot more good games than bad for us. To buy a defender that doesn't make mistakes would cost a lot more than £6m.
He was part of a very good defence under O'Neill and I think Lambert will see him as first choice once he's fit. After that it's up to him.
Not really, his mistakes have been responsible for 5-6 goals in each of the last 2 seasons. If a goalkeeper made 5-6 errors of that level people would question his ability so it's only fair.
I agree that we weren't going to get a significantly better defender for the money but I'm not going to get all dewy eyed about how great he is either. He's a decent premier league defender who's on the downward slope towards the end of his career, nothing more nothing less. Baker and Clark both have the ability to be better than him this season and if we're going to have a centre half making mistakes I'd rather it be a youngster getting experience than a old experienced player who should know better.
The senior players need to set an example with a squad like ours and I'm really not sure what example he sets to the kids.
-
http://www.balls.ie/2012/09/06/happy-richard-dunne-day/
I hope you are all celebrating.
-
It looks like Dunne is the latest player whose reputation is starting to benefit from not being in the team. To call him 'one of the best when in form' would put him alongside the likes of Vidic or Komapny. He is well short of that.
Alongside his mistakes, he also has the cross to bear of being one of O'Neill's signature signings. Competent I guess, but what an opportunity wasted for the money he cost. He is now one of the decreasing number in the current squad that represents a time better left behind us.
In truth, he was past his sell-by date as a player and as a professional before we even bought him.
Who knows what Lambert thinks, but I'd rate him 4th choice centre back right now.
I's say it's far more fashionable to slag Dunne off actually. 'Fat' etc. As Nick Harper says, he's a quality player who will get back in the team ahead of Clark at centre half. If he's focused I'd say he'll be there all season. He's been one part brilliant for us and one part average, so I think the slagging he gets sometimes is unwarranted - maybe it is something to do with him being a MON signing though, who knows?
-
It looks like Dunne is the latest player whose reputation is starting to benefit from not being in the team. To call him 'one of the best when in form' would put him alongside the likes of Vidic or Komapny. He is well short of that.
Alongside his mistakes, he also has the cross to bear of being one of O'Neill's signature signings. Competent I guess, but what an opportunity wasted for the money he cost. He is now one of the decreasing number in the current squad that represents a time better left behind us.
In truth, he was past his sell-by date as a player and as a professional before we even bought him.
Who knows what Lambert thinks, but I'd rate him 4th choice centre back right now.
I's say it's far more fashionable to slag Dunne off actually. 'Fat' etc. As Nick Harper says, he's a quality player who will get back in the team ahead of Clark at centre half. If he's focused I'd say he'll be there all season. He's been one part brilliant for us and one part average, so I think the slagging he gets sometimes is unwarranted - maybe it is something to do with him being a MON signing though, who knows?
Spot on
-
He was finished for me after the 'team bonding' incident and I would much prefer to go with Vlaar plus Clark or Baker as I believe they will better play the PL way
-
It looks like Dunne is the latest player whose reputation is starting to benefit from not being in the team. To call him 'one of the best when in form' would put him alongside the likes of Vidic or Komapny. He is well short of that.
Alongside his mistakes, he also has the cross to bear of being one of O'Neill's signature signings. Competent I guess, but what an opportunity wasted for the money he cost. He is now one of the decreasing number in the current squad that represents a time better left behind us.
In truth, he was past his sell-by date as a player and as a professional before we even bought him.
Who knows what Lambert thinks, but I'd rate him 4th choice centre back right now.
I's say it's far more fashionable to slag Dunne off actually. 'Fat' etc. As Nick Harper says, he's a quality player who will get back in the team ahead of Clark at centre half. If he's focused I'd say he'll be there all season. He's been one part brilliant for us and one part average, so I think the slagging he gets sometimes is unwarranted - maybe it is something to do with him being a MON signing though, who knows?
He's been one part good and two parts terrible in my book.
He's rash, lacks concentration and there's been talk of his eating and drinking issues since Everton fucked him off as a kid.
He's on the way down, and is not good enough to warrant giving a shirt ahead of Baker or Clark.
Use only in case of emergency.
-
He was finished for me after the 'team bonding' incident and I would much prefer to go with Vlaar plus Clark or Baker as I believe they will better play the PL way
Team bonding exercise incidents don't interest me.Besides that was under the reign of Houllier, a man who fell out publicly down the years with Ginola,Cantona and Fowler. Following the fall out with Dunne there were a number of Dunne's ex managers who came out and spoke very highly of the man. My opinion is that Dunne is our best defender and his experience is a real asset in a squad which is in the majority inexperienced at teh top level. Sure he's had bad games and he's made mistakes but that is true of every footballer.Difference is the fans are more forgiving of their favourites than they are of others. The likes of Angel were afforded hero welcomes even when not producing week after week whereas the likes of Gabby, Barry and Petrov have taken some real stick in recent seasons for a poor performance. For me it's a new regime and what's gone beforehand means very little.Lambert will pick his side based on merit and that to me is great.
-
My guess is he'll get fit(ish), find himself on the sidelines, fall out with Lambert as a result and be training on his own by Christmas.
-
It looks like Dunne is the latest player whose reputation is starting to benefit from not being in the team. To call him 'one of the best when in form' would put him alongside the likes of Vidic or Komapny. He is well short of that.
Alongside his mistakes, he also has the cross to bear of being one of O'Neill's signature signings. Competent I guess, but what an opportunity wasted for the money he cost. He is now one of the decreasing number in the current squad that represents a time better left behind us.
In truth, he was past his sell-by date as a player and as a professional before we even bought him.
Who knows what Lambert thinks, but I'd rate him 4th choice centre back right now.
I's say it's far more fashionable to slag Dunne off actually. 'Fat' etc. As Nick Harper says, he's a quality player who will get back in the team ahead of Clark at centre half. If he's focused I'd say he'll be there all season. He's been one part brilliant for us and one part average, so I think the slagging he gets sometimes is unwarranted - maybe it is something to do with him being a MON signing though, who knows?
For me I don't care who signed him or who he played for, I don't recall ever calling him fat (unfit i have said). He is what he is, a guy with the potential to be a very good central defender but with flaws which have always stopped him reaching his peak. Given his disciplinary issues at the club (I don't care who the manager is or how many other people they've fallen out with, you don't get pissed and abuse a club legend on a trip designed to improve morale) and his ongoing fitness problems I don't think he adds enough beyond Baker or Clark to justify being picked ahead of them.
-
When fit, I'd have him in before Clark.
I've not been impressed with him at centre back.
-
From the "Team to play Swansea" thread...
[Paul Lambert] asseses players as the training week goes on. And makes decisions based on various criteria. Attitude, effort, body language and hunger ......
This will apply to Richard Dunne as it applies to everyone else.
Of course he won't have much problem with the hunger! Boom! Boom!
-
Is there really any need for that dig in the thread title? Quite pathetic.
It's not as if he's respected his condition in the past is it? Pissed up on a club trip & abusing younger players, clearly overweight, when he starts respecting himself & his responsibilities I'm sure others will follow suit.
All points worth bearing in mind. What galled me at the time was that in the midst of all this unprofessional behaviour, he was playing with all the balance and grace of a one-legged duck. And at the same time dishing out all sorts of advice to the management team about where they were going wrong.
A very good player when he's on form, though, I'll certainly give him that.
-
It looks like Dunne is the latest player whose reputation is starting to benefit from not being in the team. To call him 'one of the best when in form' would put him alongside the likes of Vidic or Komapny. He is well short of that.
Alongside his mistakes, he also has the cross to bear of being one of O'Neill's signature signings. Competent I guess, but what an opportunity wasted for the money he cost. He is now one of the decreasing number in the current squad that represents a time better left behind us.
In truth, he was past his sell-by date as a player and as a professional before we even bought him.
Who knows what Lambert thinks, but I'd rate him 4th choice centre back right now.
I's say it's far more fashionable to slag Dunne off actually. 'Fat' etc. As Nick Harper says, he's a quality player who will get back in the team ahead of Clark at centre half. If he's focused I'd say he'll be there all season. He's been one part brilliant for us and one part average, so I think the slagging he gets sometimes is unwarranted - maybe it is something to do with him being a MON signing though, who knows?
For me I don't care who signed him or who he played for, I don't recall ever calling him fat (unfit i have said). He is what he is, a guy with the potential to be a very good central defender but with flaws which have always stopped him reaching his peak. Given his disciplinary issues at the club (I don't care who the manager is or how many other people they've fallen out with, you don't get pissed and abuse a club legend on a trip designed to improve morale) and his ongoing fitness problems I don't think he adds enough beyond Baker or Clark to justify being picked ahead of them.
The fat thing, I wasn't aiming that your way as such. If his attitude was good he'd still be at City in my opinion, he's as good as any centre half in the league on his day.
-
It looks like Dunne is the latest player whose reputation is starting to benefit from not being in the team. To call him 'one of the best when in form' would put him alongside the likes of Vidic or Komapny. He is well short of that.
Alongside his mistakes, he also has the cross to bear of being one of O'Neill's signature signings. Competent I guess, but what an opportunity wasted for the money he cost. He is now one of the decreasing number in the current squad that represents a time better left behind us.
In truth, he was past his sell-by date as a player and as a professional before we even bought him.
Who knows what Lambert thinks, but I'd rate him 4th choice centre back right now.
I's say it's far more fashionable to slag Dunne off actually. 'Fat' etc. As Nick Harper says, he's a quality player who will get back in the team ahead of Clark at centre half. If he's focused I'd say he'll be there all season. He's been one part brilliant for us and one part average, so I think the slagging he gets sometimes is unwarranted - maybe it is something to do with him being a MON signing though, who knows?
He's been one part good and two parts terrible in my book.
He's rash, lacks concentration and there's been talk of his eating and drinking issues since Everton fucked him off as a kid.
He's on the way down, and is not good enough to warrant giving a shirt ahead of Baker or Clark.
Use only in case of emergency.
LeeB, can't agree about Baker and Clark being better centre halves, they've hardly played there long enough for a start, so how do we know? Dunne, for all his misdemeanours, has shown over the course of a longish career that he's capable of playing to a high standard in this division. Clark and Baker are our possible future, Dunne still has a part to play I reckon.
-
We all get a bit dewy eyed about Clark because he's come through the youth team and has some potential, but he lacks pace and strength at centre half. He will continue to be found out by the better sides. He's too slow to play left back and is just anonymous in midfield. He's been around a while now - under a progressive manager, this is a big season for him.
Dunne has been a bit up and down over his time a Villa but we always look better at the back when he plays. Wouldn't surprise me if he was captain when he returns.
-
We all get a bit dewy eyed about Clark because he's come through the youth team and has some potential, but he lacks pace and strength at centre half.
Pace isn't essential at centre-half, God was hardly a speed merchant was he? Strength, timing of the tackle, heading ability and the ability to read a game are the essentials and, without being dewey-eyed, I reckon Clarke has 3 out of 4 of them already and he can build on the strength.
I have very high hopes for Ciaran, he will be a star.
-
We all get a bit dewy eyed about Clark because he's come through the youth team and has some potential, but he lacks pace and strength at centre half. He will continue to be found out by the better sides.
Villa played away at a side who have only lost at home once in the last year on Sunday and Clark was not only excellent in defense but he scored a goal.
-
I must have watched a different Paul McGrath. He was deceptively quick, even well into his thirties.
Clark did as well at Newcastle as he did badly against Everton. I'm not writing him off by any means, I'm just not writing off Richard Dunne. I just dont see what Clark has done to judge him as better than Dunne, other than a willingness to cut him more slack for his iffy performances.
-
I must have watched a different Paul McGrath. He was deceptively quick, even well into his thirties.
Nope, same McGrath but you have mistaken speed for timing. McGrath didn't need to be quick, he knew where the ball would be and made sure he was there, at times it was surreal.
You rarely saw McGrath caught for pace by a speedy forward, true. But that was because McGrath knew where the forward was going to run, knew where the through ball was going and just made sure he was there when it happened, an uncanny ability that I only saw before in Bobby Moore and I have never seen since.
-
I do have concerns whether Clark has the physical attributes to make a top class centre half. He has struggled against big, physical forwards in the past, but that might be something he can develop in the coming years. I would think Dunne will want to prove a point when he returns from injury and shouldn't be written off just yet, especially as he is out of contract in the summer.
-
Think Dunne will be a useful, experienced player to have around between now and the end of the season and then I'd be almost certain he'll be off at the end of his contract.
-
McGrath was bloody quick, there can be no doubts about that.
As for Clark, think a fair number of us do still have doubts, I recall being in Turkey and seeing the battering Andy Carroll gave him. I do think he has a future though, even in that position. As for Dunne, really think we should give the guy a chance as he is a class player and hopefully PL can bring that out in him, if not he will be off at end of season. He will have to perform to get a contract elsewhere.
-
Sorry to drag it up, but what happened in that team bonding incident?
-
I must have watched a different Paul McGrath. He was deceptively quick, even well into his thirties.
Nope, same McGrath but you have mistaken speed for timing. McGrath didn't need to be quick, he knew where the ball would be and made sure he was there, at times it was surreal.
You rarely saw McGrath caught for pace by a speedy forward, true. But that was because McGrath knew where the forward was going to run, knew where the through ball was going and just made sure he was there when it happened, an uncanny ability that I only saw before in Bobby Moore and I have never seen since.
Only time i saw McGrath really given the run around was by dean Saunders at the baseball ground one day, McGrath truly was a legend and without doubt the best and most consistent player I have ever seen in a villa shirt.
Dunne could still be an asset to us this season and has a part to play yet for us.
-
Reading back through this thread it seems that Dunne is a player who totally splits opinions. Not many who do that though I will say those who are against him seem to talk more about his perceived lack of fitness and attitude rather than ability. It'll be interesting to see what Paul Lambert thinks.
-
I think Dunne and Vlaar have something in common and that is that they can be very good players, but I think there's a mistake every now and then in them.
-
Sorry to drag it up, but what happened in that team bonding incident?
Richard Dunne and James Collins had a row with Gary Mac and the coaching staff after getting well oiled with the evening meal. At least that's what I've heard.
-
Personally I will be glad when Richard is fully fit and available for selection again.There will be games especially against the more physical sides when we will be very grateful he can play as we were for the last few games last season when he did as much as anyone to steady a fast sinking ship.Paul Lambert will decide if he's going to figure, my guess is he will.
-
Sorry to drag it up, but what happened in that team bonding incident?
Richard Dunne and James Collins had a row with Gary Mac and the coaching staff after getting well oiled with the evening meal. At least that's what I've heard.
Didn't one or both of them square up to Gordon Cowans?
-
Let's not talk about that. The idea of anybody squaring up to Sid makes me bristle like an angry gorilla
-
Sorry to drag it up, but what happened in that team bonding incident?
Richard Dunne and James Collins had a row with Gary Mac and the coaching staff after getting well oiled with the evening meal. At least that's what I've heard.
Didn't one or both of them square up to Gordon Cowans?
The rumour was that Collins actually rolled Sid over a table and had to be restrained
If that was only 0.5% true then i would have ripped up the cnuts contract there and then
-
Hence the reason I'd want the pair of them out of the club. Half way there.
-
Sorry to drag it up, but what happened in that team bonding incident?
Richard Dunne and James Collins had a row with Gary Mac and the coaching staff after getting well oiled with the evening meal. At least that's what I've heard.
Didn't one or both of them square up to Gordon Cowans?
The rumour was that Collins actually rolled Sid over a table and had to be restrained
If that was only 0.5% true then i would have ripped up the cnuts contract there and then
Sadly a lot more true than 0.5% , and should have been dealt with as you say.
-
Collins had to be restrained? After rolling Sid over a table? (what is 'rolling over a table' anyway?).
What on earth did Sid do to warrant that? Hopefully told him how crap he was
-
Collins had to be restrained? After rolling Sid over a table? (what is 'rolling over a table' anyway?).
What on earth did Sid do to warrant that? Hopefully told him how crap he was
What i heard was basically that - Both Collins and Dunne were pissed and moaning about training methods and McAllister mainly - when told to calm it down by Sid, Collins turned on him and Collins then alledgedly dragged Sid over the table and had to be restrained by some of the other players
I would have sacked to wanker on the spot and made sure it made front page news. If you ask a lot of pro footbalers they claim this sort of incident goes on all the time at training grounds, maybe so but not between a "lucky to have a career in the game" wanker like Collins and a legend like Sid
-
Personally I will be glad when Richard is fully fit and available for selection again.
Anyone with any idea when that will be?
-
Personally I will be glad when Richard is fully fit and available for selection again.
Anyone with any idea when that will be?
Fully fit - no idea hasn't happened for 2 years.
-
Personally I will be glad when Richard is fully fit and available for selection again.
Anyone with any idea when that will be?
Fully fit - no idea hasn't happened for 2 years.
Ha. I was referring more to the available for selection part!!
-
As Dunne is in the final season of his contract, I would imagine there is a clause in his contract that if he plays more than a certain amount of games he is offered a new contract!! - as Villa want rid of high earners then maybe he wont be used that much.
I remember Petrovs agent saying he had to play 10 games to get a new contract
-
That's clearly what happened with Curtis Davies as well.
-
Football 365 mentions in the game preview that Dunne and Albrighton will return to training next week, so they should hopefully be back in contention by October, but I am no physio!
-
These two will find it hard to get back into this team the way it is progressing. For Dunne to change his style of defending will be hard. Lambert does not really use out and out wingers so Albrighton will struggle also .......
-
Richard Dunne is plainly not fat in the way James Corden is fat. Because that is truly fat. As well as a bit crap.
But top flight football is a world within a world. The ideal model is different here.
Richard Dunne is fat in the way a Staffie lining up in a greyhound race would look fat.
He may well be a ball of muscle with hardly an ounce on him - but a whippet he ain't.
-
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/12/01/blow-for-aston-villa-as-richard-dunne-out-until-next-year/
Looks like he'll be on the payroll until his contract expires....
My thoughts are something akin to 'They shoot horses, don't they'
-
Club are trying to find out what's wrong with him. I have heard from a Villa insider that injury was sustained when Richard picked up two piping hot pies from the canteen and placed one on his lap whilst munching the other. It's a burn with acute strain that will get better with extensive dose of donar kebabs.
-
I hate to think what size he is now!
-
I must have watched a different Paul McGrath. He was deceptively quick, even well into his thirties.
Nope, same McGrath but you have mistaken speed for timing. McGrath didn't need to be quick, he knew where the ball would be and made sure he was there, at times it was surreal.
Yes Perce, that's what you must have done.
Funny, but I seem to recall that McGrath could fire on the afterburners too, when the situation required it. Usually defending, but a goal that he helped to set up at Forest away (2-2 IIRC) IN1991 sticks in the memory. He surged down their right flank and crossed the ball in for our first.
He could do it, but with the ravages of time, he had to pick his moments more carefully.
His reading of the game was undoubtedly his key attribute though, a passage in his (often harrowing) book illustrates why he was a bit different to most. Paraphrasing, but when he was talking about his time at Derby or Sheff U, the crowd applauded him as he got back to make a last ditch tackle.
But for McGrath, he felt it was a misreading of the initial danger that left him in that situation in the first place. The last ditch tackle was merely firefighting, so -as far as he was concerned- the game was up.
-
had a hip operation Thursday, and his contract runs out at the end of the season.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/new-operation-casts-fresh-doubts-over-dunnes-future-3326561.html
-
Surprised we're not seeking any compensation from the FAI. Won't be so surprised if we don't see Dunne play for us again.
-
I think its probably pragmatism on the clubs part. There's a chance that in the near future we may ask that Clark doesn't play the full ninety minutes in a friendly; because of important games coming up.
-
Might still have a part to play between now and the end of the season.
-
Surprised we're not seeking any compensation from the FAI. Won't be so bothered if we don't see Dunne play for us again.
There - fixed it for you!
-
Might still have a part to play between now and the end of the season.
Hopefully not though.
-
had a hip operation Thursday, and his contract runs out at the end of the season.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/new-operation-casts-fresh-doubts-over-dunnes-future-3326561.html
I was sure I read comments from Lambert in the Evening Mail last week saying that Dunne had had an operation in the US that they hoped would finally clear up the injury.
-
Didn't the club have to apologise to the FAI a few months back for comments made about Dunne being injured while on Ireland duty?
-
He's been named in the Ireland squad, is that out of hope more than expectation?
I'd have thought he might still be some way off playing.
-
He's been named in the Ireland squad, is that out of hope more than expectation?
I'd have thought he might still be some way off playing.
Have you seen Ireland lately? I think he'd get in the side with one arm in a sling and the other eating a quarter pounder!
-
Just had another look, the games not until the 6th of feb.
I'd still have thought a fit John O'shea/Paddy Mcguiness, would've got in before him though.
-
He's been named in the Ireland squad, is that out of hope more than expectation?
I'd have thought he might still be some way off playing.
Have you seen Ireland lately? I think he'd get in the side with one arm in a sling and the other eating a quarter pounder!
A bit harsh on Stevie!
On second thought ...
-
I would love a fit and motivated Richard Dunne back in the team
-
Would you think Richard and Ron be good partnership waiting to happen. I would rather see McGrath and Laursen but that is not going to happens.
-
I would love a fit and motivated Richard Dunne back in the team
Tie some Pork Pies, Black Pudding and tubes of Pringles to our crossbar.
Voila! - All our aerial corner problems will be solved.
-
I was informed a few weeks ago by someone who will no doubt read this post, that Dunney is looking remarkably trim considering his lay off. I hope he is right.
-
I'd imagine being the wrong side of thirty, and having six months left on a contact,
tends to focus the mind somewhat.
-
I'd imagine being the wrong side of thirty, and having six months left on a contact,
tends to focus the mind somewhat.
Yep. There was certainly a noticeable increase in Heskey's effort levels and commitment towards the end of last season.
-
Bit harsh on Emile, he always tried (some might say he was very trying), he just wasn't very good.
-
It's gone all quiet on the Dunne front again. It's OK though, I mean it's not like we are missing an experienced international defender at the moment.
-
I would love a fit and motivated Richard Dunne back in the team
Tie some Pork Pies, Black Pudding and tubes of Pringles to our crossbar.
Voila! - All our aerial corner problems will be solved.
Just smear it on the ball.
-
Me and my mate were contemplating the return of Dunne on Friday.
I remarked on how much better a player he's become not playing this season, and how it's unlikely he's going to come in and save us given how little he's played, the fact he's 32 and has been in decline for 3 years, and that he'll be looking for a new club next season.
-
All true but he'd still be an improvement on what we have.
-
All true but he'd still be an improvement on what we have.
Yes. *sighs*
-
Me and my mate were contemplating the return of Dunne on Friday.
I remarked on how much better a player he's become not playing this season, and how it's unlikely he's going to come in and save us given how little he's played, the fact he's 32 and has been in decline for 3 years, and that he'll be looking for a new club next season.
That might be the key though. The need to impress might actually bring the best out of him.
-
Me and my mate were contemplating the return of Dunne on Friday.
I remarked on how much better a player he's become not playing this season, and how it's unlikely he's going to come in and save us given how little he's played, the fact he's 32 and has been in decline for 3 years, and that he'll be looking for a new club next season.
That might be the key though. The need to impress might actually bring the best out of him.
Don't want to get injured more like.
-
All true but he'd still be an improvement on what we have.
Yes. *sighs*
Can't believe he's what we're looking to to save us.
*sighs deeper*
-
I would love a fit and motivated Richard Dunne back in the team
Tie some Pork Pies, Black Pudding and tubes of Pringles to our crossbar.
Voila! - All our aerial corner problems will be solved.
Just smear it on the ball.
Are you talking about antiseptic in the upstairs room in The Anvil near London Bridge, where Milwall supporters cup each others slenders?
-
Aston Villa central defender Richard Dunne has been told he could get a new contract - even though he has yet to play a game this season.
Dunne, 33, has been sidelined since last summer’s European Championships by hip and groin problems and he has had three operations.
His current deal ends this summer and Villa manager Paul Lambert said: “It is not a case of running out of time.
“I know what the guy can do. It is not as if he is 19 or 20 years old and has to impress.
“I have an open mind but the main thing for me is that he is going to be fit again.”
Dunne was back in Philadelphia last week to see the surgeon who carried out the third operation.
Lambert added: “We will have to wait and see what the surgeon has said about the injury.
“I am pretty sure that he will not require another operation.
“The advice that Richard has been given is that he will just have to battle through the problem.
“I will have rough idea of what will happen after what the surgeon has been saying to Richard.
“The surgeon expected this to happen and the advice was to go back and see him again if it did.
“First and foremost the main thing is to get the guy back to fitness.
“That is the big thing for me. There is nothing in my mind other than getting that lad fit.”
-
I'd imagine being the wrong side of thirty, and having six months left on a contact,
tends to focus the mind somewhat.
Yep. There was certainly a noticeable increase in Heskey's effort levels and commitment towards the end of last season.
I thought Heskey's apparent improvement was a sign of how shit we were last year. Maybe Dunne will look similarly improved if/when he comes back.
-
Giving Dunne a new deal would be madness.
-
Depends on the deal though...
£10k per week, two year deal?
Dunne would say no, but how many other offers is he likely to have?
-
It depends on if they think Dunne can do a job next year and what the potential cost to replace him might be.
If funds are still tight, then it may be cheaper to go with Dunne rather than spend on a new player.
-
Pay as you play
-
I guess he'd have to take a considerable pay cu to remain at Villa?
-
I think with Dunne it's about his state of mind really. If he's committed and focused, he's a good centre half. If not, he's a waste of resources.
If we do offer him another contract, it says to me money is very tight as we can;t afford to pay for an experienced replacement.
-
For me, if RD is back fully fit, then yes a new 1 year deal - we've seen what happens when all the experience is bombed out of the team. RD could be good guiding these younger players through games. We've definitely missed his 'experience'
-
If we offer him a new deal it says to me that Lambert rates him highly which is consistent with his comments on Dunne over the course of the season. Injury-free and fit I think he is an automatic starter in the manager's mind. I can't see him being offered the same wages though.
-
Feckin unbelievable - Vlaar and Dunne - both injury prone and we are looking to offer a new contract one of them - we just don`t learn by experience do we?
-
I think Richard need to play 5 games before getting a new contract let say 10 grand a week plus food bill.
-
I think Richard need to play 5 games before getting a new contract let say 10 grand a week plus food bill.
What has he done to deserve a raise?
-
Depends on the deal though...
£10k per week, two year deal?
Dunne would say no, but how many other offers is he likely to have?
QPR?
-
Is he due back any time soon?
-
Depends on the deal though...
£10k per week, two year deal?
Dunne would say no, but how many other offers is he likely to have?
QPR?
I wouldn't be surprised if our old friend currently residing up in the North East comes in for him in the summer.
-
There's not a chance of Dunne getting another contract.
-
There's not a chance of Dunne getting another contract.
Thats certainly not what lambert implied on sunday or in his quotes on page 11 - he has an open mind and dunne has nothing to prove to him , just get fit.
I agree fletch , it would seem crazy to even think about giving him a new deal.
-
I think Richard need to play 5 games before getting a new contract let say 10 grand a week plus food bill.
Findus lasagne, all he can eat perhaps?
-
I would'nt have a problem with him getting another 1 year deal.
-
I would'nt have a problem with him getting another 1 year deal.
His fitness record is terrible clampy!
-
I would'nt have a problem with him getting another 1 year deal.
His fitness record is terrible clampy!
Obviously he'd have to get himself fit otherwise there'd be no point.
-
I would'nt have a problem with him getting another 1 year deal.
His fitness record is terrible clampy!
Obviously he'd have to get himself fit otherwise there'd be no point.
Maybe on a pay per play basis but i doubt dunne would accept such a condition and he may be fit for a couple of weeks before another relapse - best to cut all ties .
-
Pay as you play deal only please!
-
Seems like a clear comment to try and get him back into the team and fighting to keep us up.
"Play well Dunne and you can get a new deal." When in reality there's no chance of him getting a new deal.
-
Chief taster for Walkers crisps?
-
I don't see Dunney playing for us again. And it doesn't particularly bother me either. His injuries keep mounting and his fitness in general isn't good enough anyway. He hasn't looked after himself well enough.
-
I would'nt have a problem with him getting another 1 year deal.
His fitness record is terrible clampy!
According to Wikipedia
Dunne has played in 95 of 111 league games prior to this season and has 451 league games to his name.
That record suggests his fitness record prior to this injury is a good one. In my opinion if he can recover from this injury he remains easily the best centre half of our books and it would be churlish for a squad as shit as ours to get rid of him.
-
I would'nt have a problem with him getting another 1 year deal.
His fitness record is terrible clampy!
According to Wikipedia
Dunne has played in 95 of 111 league games prior to this season and has 451 league games to his name.
That record suggests his fitness record prior to this injury is a good one. In my opinion if he can recover from this injury he remains easily the best centre half of our books and it would be churlish for a squad as shit as ours to get rid of him.
It is his fitness record now that matters not what it was 12 years ago, his performances last season were very hit and miss and as he gets older he will become even slower .
-
He was great when he came back in against the Stripeyfilth away towards the end of last season. If he's fit before the end of the season, he'll be an added bonus and experience for the defence when we might need it most.
-
I played 5-a-side last night and realised with my crisps, bread and ale diet that I've turned into Richard Dunne.
I was good at blocking some shots but not as mobile as I should be though thankfully I didn't need to win headers, I'm not sure I could get high enough off the ground...
-
I would'nt have a problem with him getting another 1 year deal.
His fitness record is terrible clampy!
According to Wikipedia
Dunne has played in 95 of 111 league games prior to this season and has 451 league games to his name.
That record suggests his fitness record prior to this injury is a good one. In my opinion if he can recover from this injury he remains easily the best centre half of our books and it would be churlish for a squad as shit as ours to get rid of him.
It is his fitness record now that matters not what it was 12 years ago, his performances last season were very hit and miss and as he gets older he will become even slower .
My point being that prior to this one bad injury he has a good fitness record throughout his career. If we had better options in the squad then fair enough but if I had to choose between our current centre halves then Dunne is in my opinion head and shoulders above the rest. In a very poor side last season he was one of our better performers and his display at the Hawthorns last season was a good as a centre half display i've seen by a Villa player for many years.
-
If dunne leaves in the summer i think its pretty likely his wages will be freed up allowing us to buy a replacement .
-
If dunne leaves in the summer i think its pretty likely his wages will be freed up allowing us to buy a replacement .
I'd hope so but we've seen a lot of high earners leave in the last three seasons and they have been replaced with cut price replacements and that's why we're in the shit. These kids might be great in the future but at this moment in time they are the fourth weakest squad in the division. I would like to see the present being given precedent over the future. Don't get me wrong if Dunne is replaced by a player of proven quality then great. With Lambert's signings thus far that seems highly unlikely.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Good shout.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
-
I don't think we're in the market for the likes of Haangeland these days but agree he'd be a great move for us.
-
No fee and doubt he's on colossal wages at Fulham. Plus, at 32, he won't be commanding top money. Given our problems at the back this season, you'd hope that Lambert has learned the value of experienced defenders would make an exception to his youth policy.
-
No fee and doubt he's on colossal wages at Fulham. Plus, at 32, he won't be commanding top money. Given our problems at the back this season, you'd hope that Lambert has learned the value of experienced defenders would make an exception to his youth policy.
Haha, yes you'd hope so....... I'd like to have money on Haangeland being on £50k a week should he leave on a Bosman and I think the days of Villa paying that are long gone.
-
No fee and doubt he's on colossal wages at Fulham. Plus, at 32, he won't be commanding top money. Given our problems at the back this season, you'd hope that Lambert has learned the value of experienced defenders would make an exception to his youth policy.
Haha, yes you'd hope so....... I'd like to have money on Haangeland being on £50k a week should he leave on a Bosman and I think the days of Villa paying that are long gone.
I think we'll still pay that sort of money to top players. Whether or not they'd class Haangeland as that or think they could got to the source and get a young Scandanavian just as good is another question.
-
i've heard that liverpool are in for hangeland, so don't get too excited!
-
I reckon our defence will do okay next season. They need to get this season out of their systems and have a good break and pre-season and they will do much better next. (yes, I know, they couldn't do much worse....)
-
I reckon our defence will do okay next season. They need to get this season out of their systems and have a good break and pre-season and they will do much better next. (yes, I know, they couldn't do much worse....)
I like the look of Lowton. Vlaar, i'm not so sure about to be honest. Baker and Clark would do alright alongside a dominant centre half and I don't think we have a left back at the club who is premier league quality. For me we have a defensive unit which is top ten Championship. I can't see the current personnel turning that around to be perfectly honest with you.
-
I think Vlaar would have looked better alongside Dunne, but he's hardly been bad this season. A bit of stability is needed there, which his injury has meant we haven't had. You'd hope this hard season will toughen them up a bit and they'll be better next season.
And I haven't written off Bennett yet. Some coaching on the defensive side and we'd have a VERY good player on our hands.
-
Well I think Vlaar's looked good since he game back.
I think we'll see the best of him next season, and I think he'll end up being viewed as a better centre half than any of the cloggers O'Neill spunked the family silver on.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
Less of the aggression please. If you want to be an eternal optimist, so be it. Some of us though prefer to live in the real world.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
Less of the aggression please. If you want to be an eternal optimist, so be it. Some of us though prefer to live in the real world.
You piss all over anything optimistic posted on here, and it's really starting to grate.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
Less of the aggression please. If you want to be an eternal optimist, so be it. Some of us though prefer to live in the real world.
You piss all over anything optimistic posted on here, and it's really starting to grate.
Don't get so wound up, it's only a message board. We're all entitled to our opinions.
-
Indeed, and some people are of the opinion that slagging Lerner off on every thread is tedious.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
Less of the aggression please. If you want to be an eternal optimist, so be it. Some of us though prefer to live in the real world.
Being negative about everything isn't the real world, it's just moaning. There's no degrees of shade to your outlook, you just seem to see the worst in every situation.
For what it's worth I don't think we'll sign him either, even if Lambert is interested, but that's because he's going to have a lot of options should he decide to leave. At this stage in our development I doubt we could offer him the guarantees that other clubs could.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
Less of the aggression please. If you want to be an eternal optimist, so be it. Some of us though prefer to live in the real world.
Being negative about everything isn't the real world, it's just moaning. There's no degrees of shade to your outlook, you just seem to see the worst in every situation.
For what it's worth I don't think we'll sign him either. even if Lambert is interested, but that's because he's going to have a lot of options should he decide to leave. At this stage in our development I doubt we could offer him the guarantees that other clubs could.
You're the polar opposite though, Chris. In all the years I've read this forum I don't think I can remember you ever criticising anything at the Villa, so I take your comments with an almighty pinch of salt. No offence meant though.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
Less of the aggression please. If you want to be an eternal optimist, so be it. Some of us though prefer to live in the real world.
You piss all over anything optimistic posted on here, and it's really starting to grate.
Don't get so wound up, it's only a message board. We're all entitled to our opinions.
Except those who don't tally with the 'everything is shite and always will be' theory, which are labeled not in the real world/deluded/off their rocker/generic insult suggesting mental ill health.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
Less of the aggression please. If you want to be an eternal optimist, so be it. Some of us though prefer to live in the real world.
You piss all over anything optimistic posted on here, and it's really starting to grate.
Don't get so wound up, it's only a message board. We're all entitled to our opinions.
Except those who don't tally with the 'everything is shite and always will be' theory, which are labeled not in the real world/deluded/off their rocker/generic insult suggesting mental ill health.
I never swear at anyone or get aggressive.
By the way have you been watching the Villa this season? There's not much that isn't shite about us at the moment is there?
-
we've had a shit couple of months. It doesn't mean that everything is shit. There is a massive, massive difference. We've all been angry and disappointed by how January went, but there have been performances by the team and individuals at times that provide optimism if you choose to acknowledge it.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
Less of the aggression please. If you want to be an eternal optimist, so be it. Some of us though prefer to live in the real world.
Being negative about everything isn't the real world, it's just moaning. There's no degrees of shade to your outlook, you just seem to see the worst in every situation.
For what it's worth I don't think we'll sign him either. even if Lambert is interested, but that's because he's going to have a lot of options should he decide to leave. At this stage in our development I doubt we could offer him the guarantees that other clubs could.
You're the polar opposite though, Chris. In all the years I've read this forum I don't think I can remember you ever criticising anything at the Villa, so I take your comments with an almighty pinch of salt. No offence meant though.
That's because you don't read anything properly that doesn't agree with your narrow view. You don't take note or show any interest in anything that doesn't conform to your "everything is shit" mantra. I like to think my views are slightly more considered and any criticism is tempered with a bit of realism.
Take the post to which you responded, it's an implied criticism of the club not being in a position to attract the likes of the player in question. It's just a little more considered than your dull, repetitive drone. Any offence you wish to take is fine be me.
-
we've had a shit couple of months. It doesn't mean that everything is shit. There is a massive, massive difference. We've all been angry and disappointed by how January went, but there have been performances by the team and individuals at times that provide optimism if you choose to acknowledge it.
A shit couple of month? Okay.
-
If he does go, I say we try for Haangeland on a free.
Would be delighted with such a move.
You really expect Lerner to pay his wages?
No chance. It'll be another cheap kid from the lower leagues.
Change the fucking record. Who died and gave you a crystal ball?
Less of the aggression please. If you want to be an eternal optimist, so be it. Some of us though prefer to live in the real world.
Being negative about everything isn't the real world, it's just moaning. There's no degrees of shade to your outlook, you just seem to see the worst in every situation.
For what it's worth I don't think we'll sign him either. even if Lambert is interested, but that's because he's going to have a lot of options should he decide to leave. At this stage in our development I doubt we could offer him the guarantees that other clubs could.
You're the polar opposite though, Chris. In all the years I've read this forum I don't think I can remember you ever criticising anything at the Villa, so I take your comments with an almighty pinch of salt. No offence meant though.
That's because you don't read anything properly that doesn't agree with your narrow view. You don't take note or show any interest in anything that doesn't conform to your "everything is shit" mantra. I like to think my views are slightly more considered and any criticism is tempered with a bit of realism.
Take the post to which you responded, it's an implied criticism of the club not being in a position to attract the likes of the player in question. It's just a little more considered than your dull, repetitive drone. Any offence you wish to take is fine be me.
The same could be said of you, Chris. Just the opposite way around though.
Everything at Villa is just constantly super, smashing, great in your world.
-
By the way have you been watching the Villa this season? There's not much that isn't shite about us at the moment is there?
Christian Benteke.
Brad Guzan.
Andeas Weimann.
Respectable away form.
Trying to play a better style of football.
More worng than good given out league position, but ultimately you either want to see the good/better things or you don't. It's your choice.
-
By the way have you been watching the Villa this season? There's not much that isn't shite about us at the moment is there?
Christian Benteke.
Brad Guzan.
Andeas Weimann.
Respectable away form.
Trying to play a better style of football.
More worng than good given out league position, but ultimately you either want to see the good/better things or you don't. It's your choice.
Only Benteke and Weimann can hold their heads up this season, and even with them in the team we've still been appalling since day one.
You're really stretching it with the "respectable" away form, and as for a better brand of football. Christ I've seen it all now.
-
By the way have you been watching the Villa this season? There's not much that isn't shite about us at the moment is there?
Christian Benteke.
Brad Guzan.
Andeas Weimann.
Respectable away form.
Trying to play a better style of football.
More worng than good given out league position, but ultimately you either want to see the good/better things or you don't. It's your choice.
Only Benteke and Weimann can hold their heads up this season, and even with them in the team we've still been appalling since day one.
You're really stretching it with the "respectable" away form, and as for a better brand of football. Christ I've seen it all now.
Not Guzan?
I think he's been superb.
-
Other than one or two bright spots that Concrete John has highlighted, this season has been piss poor, at times shocking and embarrassing. Coming on here and moaning about it in every post is not very constructive though and i suggest it's being done in order to keep up a reputation.
-
I never swear at anyone or get aggressive.
By the way have you been watching the Villa this season? There's not much that isn't shite about us at the moment is there?
You've implied that those who are optimistic are in some way mentally challenged on more than one occasion.
Personally, I'd rather you swore at me than drop in snide digs.
-
By the way have you been watching the Villa this season? There's not much that isn't shite about us at the moment is there?
Christian Benteke.
Brad Guzan.
Andeas Weimann.
Respectable away form.
Trying to play a better style of football.
More worng than good given out league position, but ultimately you either want to see the good/better things or you don't. It's your choice.
Only Benteke and Weimann can hold their heads up this season, and even with them in the team we've still been appalling since day one.
You're really stretching it with the "respectable" away form, and as for a better brand of football. Christ I've seen it all now.
Not Guzan?
I think he's been superb.
He's been solid, but nothing spectacular. He makes saves I'd expect a Premier League keeper to make. And Christ has he had some practise.
-
I never swear at anyone or get aggressive.
By the way have you been watching the Villa this season? There's not much that isn't shite about us at the moment is there?
You've implied that those who are optimistic are in some way mentally challenged on more than one occasion.
Personally, I'd rather you swore at me than drop in snide digs.
I think I said something along the lines of "you must be bonkers" to think like that. If you're offended by something as harmless as that I'd be amazes if you plucked the courage to leave the house in the morning.
-
we've had a shit couple of months. It doesn't mean that everything is shit. There is a massive, massive difference. We've all been angry and disappointed by how January went, but there have been performances by the team and individuals at times that provide optimism if you choose to acknowledge it.
A shit couple of month? Okay.
yes because in the Liverpool post match thread you didn't say this did you?
Ha ha, what a fantastic performance, I take it all back, we were immense!
And I assume that you have knowledge of both games vs Everton. The first where we were destroyed and the second where we played some lovely stuff, led 3-1 against a team challenging for a CL spot and couldn't hold on. No progress there - right? That's your problem. Even when the evidence hits you square in the face you ignore it.
-
I never swear at anyone or get aggressive.
By the way have you been watching the Villa this season? There's not much that isn't shite about us at the moment is there?
You've implied that those who are optimistic are in some way mentally challenged on more than one occasion.
Personally, I'd rather you swore at me than drop in snide digs.
I think I said something along the lines of "you must be bonkers" to think like that. If you're offended by something as harmless as that I'd be amazes if you plucked the courage to leave the house in the morning.
Likewise, if you take a comment like "Change the fucking record" as aggressive then I suggest there's a void left by Mary Whitehouse you could fill.
Don't worry, I'm not going to put my fists all over you.
-
we've had a shit couple of months. It doesn't mean that everything is shit. There is a massive, massive difference. We've all been angry and disappointed by how January went, but there have been performances by the team and individuals at times that provide optimism if you choose to acknowledge it.
A shit couple of month? Okay.
yes because in the Liverpool post match thread you didn't say this did you?
Ha ha, what a fantastic performance, I take it all back, we were immense!
And I assume that you have knowledge of both games vs Everton. The first where we were destroyed and the second where we played some lovely stuff, led 3-1 against a team challenging for a CL spot and couldn't hold on. No progress there - right? That's your problem. Even when the evidence hits you square in the face you ignore it.
Yes I did. I was happy we won! Flash in the pan though, sadly.
-
I think Guzan has played well.
He has offered something Given hasn't with the way he comes off his line and dominates. I get the impression that there was a switch in tactic on Sunday where the back for knew Brad was coming to gather the ball, come what may and I think we looked better for it, considering that West Ham are a real percentage football team.
-
Isn't this a thread about Dunne?
-
I never swear at anyone or get aggressive.
By the way have you been watching the Villa this season? There's not much that isn't shite about us at the moment is there?
You've implied that those who are optimistic are in some way mentally challenged on more than one occasion.
Personally, I'd rather you swore at me than drop in snide digs.
I think I said something along the lines of "you must be bonkers" to think like that. If you're offended by something as harmless as that I'd be amazes if you plucked the courage to leave the house in the morning.
Likewise, if you take a comment like "Change the fucking record" as aggressive then I suggest there's a void left by Mary Whitehouse you could fill.
Don't worry, I'm not going to put my fists all over you.
The last line is just bizzare!
-
It's reference to an amusing lunatic on here a few years ago.
-
Isn't this a thread about Dunne?
No, I think it'll be going for a while yet.
-
I miss Mooney. He was ace.
-
It's been an awful season. How can any one say it has not been .
There has been a few positives but not many .
-
As far as I'm aware, nobody has.
-
Good , I was getting worried for a moment ;)
-
I miss Mooney. He was ace.
Strawman.
-
I miss Mooney. He was ace.
Strawman.
Drip, drip, drip.
-
It wasn't Mooney.
-
Doesn't look promising that he will play again this year.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2013/0222/1224330396615.html
-
So we'll have spunked over £2m on wages on him by the end of the season without any benefit.
Did we have to change insurance providers after the Laursen payout? Maybe Aviva's premiums are better.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's been smoking like a trooper during all this time out too. God knows how long it will take to get him fit.
-
So we'll have spunked over £2m on wages on him by the end of the season without any benefit.
Did we have to change insurance providers after the Laursen payout? Maybe Aviva's premiums are better.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's been smoking like a trooper during all this time out too. God knows how long it will take to get him fit.
33 years so far.
-
Richard Dunne really owes the Villa.
-
Don't think we're going to see him in a Villa shirt again are we?
-
Even more ridiculous that we didn't sign a centre half, we're now down to two and they're both young.
-
Even more ridiculous that we didn't sign a centre half, we're now down to two and they're both young.
un fuckin believable
we knew it , why the manager didnt
-
Has anyone ever known a groin injury take so long to recover from? There is is clearly some issue here, the sooner he is of the wage bill the better.
-
Even more ridiculous that we didn't sign a centre half, we're now down to two and they're both young.
un fuckin believable
we knew it , why the manager didnt
Upson has a bit of history with us, so was unlikely but there were plenty of cheap, experienced defenders available
-
its staggering that he hasn't played for us this season. we need an experienced man in the defense. it would also give the younger players more confidence having a figurehead to look up to as a leader.
-
I will be surprised if dunne plays this season .
-
He's taking the piss
-
He's taking the piss
Lerner and Lambert took the piss out of us by not replacing him in January.
-
He's taking the piss
Lerner and Lambert took the piss out of us by not replacing him in January.
Indeed given that they knew about Vlaar's issues it was criminal and may cost us tens of millions of pounds.
-
i dont think dunne will play professional football again
-
He will play again. He is nailed on to play in America as soon as he has to sign out of the nursing home in Birmingham B6.
-
He will play again. He is nailed on to play in America as soon as he has to sign out of the nursing home in Birmingham B6.
Fat fucker farrago more evidence that the franchise is fucked, dude.
-
He will play again,but not for villa. Shows how desperate we are when we are hoping he gets fit ,in order for him to be able to add to his own goals and give his customary penalty away .
-
Something strange going on here, maybe a dodgy drugs ban or something and the club are using an injury to cover it up?.... ;)
-
He's taking the piss
I maybe way off the mark, but if you were a CB who was out of contract in the summer who still has a fairly decent reputation, would you be rushing to get back into a defensively fragile relegation threatened team?
-
Yes, in order to prove to potential suitors that I can still play at the highest level.
-
Yes, in order to prove to potential suitors that I can still play at the highest level.
The level of play has no bearing, its all about the money. He'll protect his assets and try to find a club in the summer. He'll end up on NYRB with Ireland and they can be rich and happy together for the rest of their days in a stress free league that calls for 80% effort.
-
Hmmm strange one, there were rumours of drink, failed property ventures (he lost £25m) etc etc. could all be bollocks but strange that he's MIA.
-
Yes, in order to prove to potential suitors that I can still play at the highest level.
He could do that for Ireland in the fixtures they have after the season has finished.
-
i dont think dunne will play professional football again
He has not done that for about 3 years!
-
Something strange going on here, maybe a dodgy drugs ban or something and the club are using an injury to cover it up?.... ;)
I was speaking to a fellow Villa fan earlier tonight who (genuinely) knows people who work at the club and when the topic of Dunne's injury came up, he suggested that there is an additional problem going on as well. I don't want to repeat the nature of the issue as a public forum probably isn't the place for such speculation, but something just hasn't seemed right about Dunne's situation this season. Just wondering if anyone else has heard anything along those lines?
-
You can't say that and not elaborate!
I was surprised to see him coming out of the dug-out last night, giving Tevez I think it was (did their time at City overlap?) a "c'mere me ol'mate" smile and hug.
-
Something strange going on here, maybe a dodgy drugs ban or something and the club are using an injury to cover it up?.... ;)
I was speaking to a fellow Villa fan earlier tonight who (genuinely) knows people who work at the club and when the topic of Dunne's injury came up, he suggested that there is an additional problem going on as well. I don't want to repeat the nature of the issue as a public forum probably isn't the place for such speculation, but something just hasn't seemed right about Dunne's situation this season. Just wondering if anyone else has heard anything along those lines?
I had it on very good authority that during the Houllier season, Dunne and Warnock turned up for training rather over refreshed.
-
I don't think it's any great secret that Dunney likes a few too many ales. In some regards he became something like our John Terry whilst Houllier was around. A bit of a rotten apple trading off his reputation and causing rifts in the dressing room. Ably abetted by Collins and Warnock.
Dunne and Collins of course, at the centre of the infamous training camp incident.
-
Let's go no further down the road of groundless, libelous speculation.
-
I've not really believed in this groin injury for months now. Just a feeling that there's something else up, either Lambert has him in the same category as Warnock, Collins and Hutton but Dunne is refusing to go anywhere, or there is some other reason why he isn't featuring.
-
Let's go no further down the road of groundless, libelous speculation.
Well it made the national papers a couple of years back didn't it.
Oh wait...
-
Alias Lord Lucan.
-
Let's go no further down the road of groundless, libelous speculation.
Can we do it if we write "allegedly" at the end of the post?
-
He was thirty when he arrived, cost £5m, and had a four year contract.
So it seems likely he'll be gone by the time next season starts, no matter what division Villa are in.
-
The quicker we get that fat Cnut off the wage bill the better. That is all.
-
Charming.
-
Pat Murphy suggests he won't play for Villa again on 5live yesterday.
-
The bastard is costing us a fortune too.
-
The bastard is costing us a fortune too.
he aint the only one but yes he is .
-
Good riddance. Why do our senior players always seem to have shit attitudes?
Useless fat pisshead pie addict.
Allegedly.
-
Pat Murphy suggests he won't play for Villa again on 5live yesterday.
Isn't that up to the 5Live match schedulers?
-
I do not think there is anything sinister about Dunne's indolence, not that that makes it any more excusable. I see him as yet another example of the current genre of footballers who have made too much easy money. Large numbers of them have no loyalty and no principles. For generations players were exploited mercilessly then along came Bosman and the roles were reversed. The game will continue to be run for the benefit of agents until a major employer has the balls to sue one for breach of contract. Don't hold your breath.
-
Pat Murphy suggests he won't play for Villa again on 5live yesterday.
..is the correct answer.
-
You can't say that and not elaborate!
I was surprised to see him coming out of the dug-out last night, giving Tevez I think it was (did their time at City overlap?) a "c'mere me ol'mate" smile and hug.
Really? I missed this. He can't be in Lambert's black book if he's allowed to sit with the subs when injured.
-
Well I read on this site that he was actually looking really trim recently before his injury flared up again. Have to say I think it is a bit unfair having a dig for being inured
-
From some of the stuff I have read over the months concerning his injury, I'm not convinced they have ever diagnosed the exact problem. They seem to be trying various things to sort it which clearly haven't worked.
-
It is easy to have him as the scapegoat, I reckon Lambert rates him and would love him in the fold
-
Lambert does rate him - he was eulogising about him a few weeks ago.
Soccer - I was so surprised to see him that maybe I imagined it. Will try and look back at the highlights to see if they show it at the end.
-
It isn't just the Dunne injury that is draggng on. Any news on if Ivo Stas will play before the end of the season? Someone 'in the know' has already tipped me off that we won't be seeing Mike Pejic again.
-
Just seen Dunne in The Guilded Gage in town chain smoking Embassy Regals and downing pints of Mickey Mouse like it was going out of fashion.
And slavering on pork pies, obviously.
-
Update:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/dunne-injury-not-careerthreatening-29122630.html
-
It isn't just the Dunne injury that is draggng on. Any news on if Ivo Stas will play before the end of the season? Someone 'in the know' has already tipped me off that we won't be seeing Mike Pejic again.
Stas did play at Villa Park as I'm sure I was there - was it Banik Ostrava he was playing for.
About time he made an appearence for us mind - that was a few years back
-
He did score for us though, so not completely useless.
-
Lambert does rate him - he was eulogising about him a few weeks ago.
in the transfer window, when people were crying out for us to sign an experienced defender...
-
It isn't just the Dunne injury that is draggng on. Any news on if Ivo Stas will play before the end of the season? Someone 'in the know' has already tipped me off that we won't be seeing Mike Pejic again.
Stas did play at Villa Park as I'm sure I was there - was it Banik Ostrava he was playing for.
About time he made an appearence for us mind - that was a few years back
I'm sure I saw him in a Villa shirt. We played Australia in a friendly at VP, think it was something to do with the Dorigo deal. Pretty certain Ivo played in that
-
Dunney's close to full fitness I see.
-
What's Nigel Callaghan up to these days?
-
It isn't just the Dunne injury that is draggng on. Any news on if Ivo Stas will play before the end of the season? Someone 'in the know' has already tipped me off that we won't be seeing Mike Pejic again.
Every time I see Carles Puyol I think of Pejic.
-
BREAKING NEWS......
Richard Dunne out for the rest of the season.
Wow! (Thanks for that, Villa).
-
Who ?
-
BREAKING NEWS......
Richard Dunne out for the rest of the season.
Wow! (Thanks for that, Villa).
couldn' t he had just retired a christmas and we could just have moved on .
-
If he not SSP yet?
-
Does any of the insurance cover his wages for the past 9 months? What a waste.
-
Lambert (reportedly) still gibbering on about 'well wait until the summer before deciding on a contract'. I hope he's just having a laugh.
-
What does he do? Where does he go? Does he ever go to matches? Does Lambert not ask him to share his, ahem, experience?
-
I just wish he'd fook off and take that little bald twerp with him
-
I just wish he'd fook off and take that little bald twerp with him
Alan Wright was one of my favourites!
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
-
Something doesn't quite add up here with this situation imo.
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
I think that is putting it very very kindly, particularly in the case of that bald headed, odious little tosser Ireland
-
We'll find it very difficult to shift Given, think he may stay another year as back up.
-
He really wants to play as evinced by making overtures to Ireland that he would reconsider retiring from the national team. Which was quite a U-turn from last summer when giving his full attention to Aston Villa was his main reason for giving international football the heave-ho.
I think he'll take a hefty pay-cut and go to Fulham or Celtic or someone. Schwarzer has to join Arsenal finally at some point, right?
-
Can't see him going to Celtic unless Fraser Forster moves on.
-
I saw Dunne at the Belfry earlier, looks okay to me!
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
Wouldn't be upset at moving all the Irish players on to be honest.
-
I saw Dunne at the Belfry earlier, looks okay to me!
Has he put much weight on?
-
There's one Irish player that I would be happy to see come in during the summer - James McCarthy.
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
Wouldn't be upset at moving all the Irish players on to be honest.
Young Samir?!
-
I saw Dunne at the Belfry earlier, looks okay to me!
Fancy him do you?
-
I saw Dunne at the Belfry earlier, looks okay to me!
I noticed that they had BOGOF on their Sunday Carvery!
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
Wouldn't be upset at moving all the Irish players on to be honest.
Young Samir?!
Plus Grealish, Drennan, Burke and Williams. All could have great futures ahead of them.
I still think this season will prove to be the making of Clark long term.
-
Dunne is of in the Summer according to the Guardian.
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
Wouldn't be upset at moving all the Irish players on to be honest.
Young Samir?!
Plus Grealish, Drennan, Burke and Williams. All could have great futures ahead of them.
I still think this season will prove to be the making of Clark long term.
Of the youngsters you've listed Grealish is one I'm excited to see play in the first team, just seems so laid back when he's playing, like it's all so natural, I think he could turn out to be a bit special. High hopes for Carruthers as well who has excellent vision and works his socks off from what I've seen. I'm not convinced by Burke though, and haven't seen enough of Drennan or Williams.
I agree on Clark, I think come the end of the season him, Lowton and Baker will have a better understanding of what it takes to play at this level, I hope Bennett will as well but for all the talent I think he has I'm not sure if Bennett can mentally cope with the premier league at the minute, he looks terrified all the time.
-
There's one Irish player that I would be happy to see come in during the summer - James McCarthy.
Yes, good player. I think he's from the same part of Ireland as Ray Houghton.
-
shouldn't this be moved to the ex-villa players section now?
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
Wouldn't be upset at moving all the Irish players on to be honest.
Young Samir?!
Plus Grealish, Drennan, Burke and Williams. All could have great futures ahead of them.
I still think this season will prove to be the making of Clark long term.
Of the youngsters you've listed Grealish is one I'm excited to see play in the first team, just seems so laid back when he's playing, like it's all so natural, I think he could turn out to be a bit special. High hopes for Carruthers as well who has excellent vision and works his socks off from what I've seen. I'm not convinced by Burke though, and haven't seen enough of Drennan or Williams.
I agree on Clark, I think come the end of the season him, Lowton and Baker will have a better understanding of what it takes to play at this level, I hope Bennett will as well but for all the talent I think he has I'm not sure if Bennett can mentally cope with the premier league at the minute, he looks terrified all the time.
I agree about Lowton, but I'm not so sure about Clark and Baker. I think both have major flaws in their game (Clark's lack of physicality, Baker's poor distribution and both of their decision making) which may not necessarily improve with time.
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
Wouldn't be upset at moving all the Irish players on to be honest.
Young Samir?!
Plus Grealish, Drennan, Burke and Williams. All could have great futures ahead of them.
I still think this season will prove to be the making of Clark long term.
Of the youngsters you've listed Grealish is one I'm excited to see play in the first team, just seems so laid back when he's playing, like it's all so natural, I think he could turn out to be a bit special. High hopes for Carruthers as well who has excellent vision and works his socks off from what I've seen. I'm not convinced by Burke though, and haven't seen enough of Drennan or Williams.
I agree on Clark, I think come the end of the season him, Lowton and Baker will have a better understanding of what it takes to play at this level, I hope Bennett will as well but for all the talent I think he has I'm not sure if Bennett can mentally cope with the premier league at the minute, he looks terrified all the time.
I agree about Lowton, but I'm not so sure about Clark and Baker. I think both have major flaws in their game (Clark's lack of physicality, Baker's poor distribution and both of their decision making) which may not necessarily improve with time.
I think decision making is exactly the sort of attribute that should improve with experience and maturity.
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
Wouldn't be upset at moving all the Irish players on to be honest.
Young Samir?!
Plus Grealish, Drennan, Burke and Williams. All could have great futures ahead of them.
I still think this season will prove to be the making of Clark long term.
Of the youngsters you've listed Grealish is one I'm excited to see play in the first team, just seems so laid back when he's playing, like it's all so natural, I think he could turn out to be a bit special. High hopes for Carruthers as well who has excellent vision and works his socks off from what I've seen. I'm not convinced by Burke though, and haven't seen enough of Drennan or Williams.
I agree on Clark, I think come the end of the season him, Lowton and Baker will have a better understanding of what it takes to play at this level, I hope Bennett will as well but for all the talent I think he has I'm not sure if Bennett can mentally cope with the premier league at the minute, he looks terrified all the time.
I agree about Lowton, but I'm not so sure about Clark and Baker. I think both have major flaws in their game (Clark's lack of physicality, Baker's poor distribution and both of their decision making) which may not necessarily improve with time.
I agree actually Tom. I still think Clark would be better off in a midfield role, while Baker makes imagine James Collins at his age and how he would have been. I think by 28-29 he will be a premier league, solid performer, but he needs a couple of seasons in the Championship to get him there.
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
Wouldn't be upset at moving all the Irish players on to be honest.
Young Samir?!
Plus Grealish, Drennan, Burke and Williams. All could have great futures ahead of them.
I still think this season will prove to be the making of Clark long term.
Of the youngsters you've listed Grealish is one I'm excited to see play in the first team, just seems so laid back when he's playing, like it's all so natural, I think he could turn out to be a bit special. High hopes for Carruthers as well who has excellent vision and works his socks off from what I've seen. I'm not convinced by Burke though, and haven't seen enough of Drennan or Williams.
I agree on Clark, I think come the end of the season him, Lowton and Baker will have a better understanding of what it takes to play at this level, I hope Bennett will as well but for all the talent I think he has I'm not sure if Bennett can mentally cope with the premier league at the minute, he looks terrified all the time.
I agree about Lowton, but I'm not so sure about Clark and Baker. I think both have major flaws in their game (Clark's lack of physicality, Baker's poor distribution and both of their decision making) which may not necessarily improve with time.
I think decision making is exactly the sort of attribute that should improve with experience and maturity.
I agree that it can do, but players like Titus Bramble prove that somtimes it doesn't.
-
The three senior Irish lads need to leave this summer.
Agreed. I think they will.
Wouldn't be upset at moving all the Irish players on to be honest.
Young Samir?!
Plus Grealish, Drennan, Burke and Williams. All could have great futures ahead of them.
I still think this season will prove to be the making of Clark long term.
Of the youngsters you've listed Grealish is one I'm excited to see play in the first team, just seems so laid back when he's playing, like it's all so natural, I think he could turn out to be a bit special. High hopes for Carruthers as well who has excellent vision and works his socks off from what I've seen. I'm not convinced by Burke though, and haven't seen enough of Drennan or Williams.
I agree on Clark, I think come the end of the season him, Lowton and Baker will have a better understanding of what it takes to play at this level, I hope Bennett will as well but for all the talent I think he has I'm not sure if Bennett can mentally cope with the premier league at the minute, he looks terrified all the time.
I agree about Lowton, but I'm not so sure about Clark and Baker. I think both have major flaws in their game (Clark's lack of physicality, Baker's poor distribution and both of their decision making) which may not necessarily improve with time.
I agree actually Tom. I still think Clark would be better off in a midfield role, while Baker makes imagine James Collins at his age and how he would have been. I think by 28-29 he will be a premier league, solid performer, but he needs a couple of seasons in the Championship to get him there.
Don't get me wrong Ozz, I hope they both develop into top class players for us, but I have my doubts at the minute. It maybe a little unfair to compare, but I remember when Gareth Barry came into the side as a 17 year old defender and looked a class act from the word go and was way better than Clark and Baker.
-
[quote
I think by 28-29 he will be a premier league, solid performer, but he needs a couple of seasons in the Championship to get him there.
[/quote]
That may well be on the cards!
-
Dunne better not be offered a new deal.
-
He would only be offered a year on much reduced wages at best so I can't see it happening.
-
He shouldn't be offered anything.
-
I guess it depends on whether it affects the rest of the budget. Ideally I'd like us to throw an attractive package at Lescott to become our senior man at the back.
-
I guess it depends on whether it affects the rest of the budget. Ideally I'd like us to throw an attractive package at Lescott to become our senior man at the back.
Not for me , he wasnt great when fit and theres doubt regarding his fitness - for the wages he is on i would rather use the money to attract a better quality defender.
-
He shouldn't be offered anything.
Not even a Balti pie on his way out.
-
I wouldn't even offer to call Dunne a taxi. He can sling it.
-
You can't call him a centre half either!
-
A centre whole?
-
A centre whole?
Like.
-
I've been told he has been offered a pay-as-you-weigh deal. He only gets paid if he keeps himself under 15 stone.
-
I wouldn't even offer to call Dunne a taxi. He can sling it.
He'd probably need a minibus.
-
Dunne will be playing in the MLS next season ;)
-
Dunne will be playing in the MLS next season ;)
Mega large shirt ?
-
Dunne will be playing in the MLS next season ;)
Missus' large skirt?
-
Dunne V's Food.
-
His lack of commitment to the Villa is Hodgesque.
-
i detest Richard Tonne hearly as much as Stephen Ireland..
-
His lack of commitment to the Villa is Hodgesque.
I wouldn't put him in that category.
-
You will in the summer when he joins someone like Sturk and sells his story to the Mirror of how he couldn't wait to end his 'living hell', and all that.
-
You will in the summer when he joins someone like Sturk and sells his story to the Mirror of how he couldn't wait to end his 'living hell', and all that.
"They banned chips and pies in the canteen. From that moment on I knew my time at the club was up, and it was just a case of pulling in £60k a week for a year whilst finding spurious excuses not to play"
-
Bizarrely, Dunne hasn't got an ounce of fat on him. I would sit in the hot tub at the Belfry and he is as lean as they come !! Hard to believe I know !!
He also has an incredibly fit mrs btw!
-
Bizarrely, Dunne hasn't got an ounce of fat on him. I would sit in the hot tub at the Belfry and he is as lean as they come !! Hard to believe I know !!
He also has an incredibly fit mrs btw!
Footballer earning 50k ish per week has an incredibly fit Mrs. Who have thought?
-
Well I for one hope that we can get him fit again for next season. Surely most of us would agree that had we had Richard fit and playing at the centre of our defence throughout this season we would be at least 8 to 10 points better off. It will cost more to replace a player of his experience and quality than offer him a new contract albeit on reduced terms.
-
I'm no huge fan of Dunne but he does get unwarranted stick from villa fans.
For most of his career he has been a consistent defender and in his first season with us was exceptional. He dirtied his bib in his second season but we have missed him this year and he would still get into a lot of Premiership sides if fully fit.
-
Well I for one hope that we can get him fit again for next season. Surely most of us would agree that had we had Richard fit and playing at the centre of our defence throughout this season we would be at least 8 to 10 points better off. It will cost more to replace a player of his experience and quality than offer him a new contract albeit on reduced terms.
Lets just spend the money on a more reliable defender, possibly one who isn't the heaviest player in the top flight, and hasn't just had a year off at the end of his career.
There is no point investing that cash in Dunne just because he's already here, it doesn't match the new ethos if the club re player investments, either.
-
Well I for one hope that we can get him fit again for next season. Surely most of us would agree that had we had Richard fit and playing at the centre of our defence throughout this season we would be at least 8 to 10 points better off. It will cost more to replace a player of his experience and quality than offer him a new contract albeit on reduced terms.
Lets just spend the money on a more reliable defender, possibly one who isn't the heaviest player in the top flight, and hasn't just had a year off at the end of his career.
Agreed, there are no circumstances where he should get a new deal.
-
How do we know he has 'had a year off'? He has never been a player to avoid a battle (to give him his due).
-
Have Villa ever actually said what is wrong with Dunnes because I can't seem to remember. It's quite bizarre. You miss an entire season with barely any updates whatsoever.
-
Gilmores groin.
-
Gilmores groin.
Just looked it up. Sounds rather nasty.
-
Am sure Dunne would have loved to be playing at this time in his career. He is not a shirker and some of the comments I have read are very unfair IMHO. As for giving him a new contract, not too sure to be fair, but maybe some fans should think back to some of the immense performances he has put in for this club.
-
Dunneys done at this level unfortunately. We have really missed him this season. You sense that the players seem to pull for Lambert and Dunne probably would have too, but the injuries keep mounting and his fitness isn't right. Had he been fit this season and somewhere close to his first season form we probably would be clear of 40 points by now. Dunney didn't cover himself in too much glory the last couple of seasons, aside from a strong finish in the tail end of Houllier and a solid start for Eck. Actually, losing Bent, Petrov and Dunne in the second half of last season just killed us. We were mediocre of course, but then we turned to complete toss.
A fit Dunne/Vlaar partnership all season would have been a lot more solid. I think you could chalk 10-20 goals from our conceded column. Ifs and buts and bad luck. As it is Dunney hasn't played and Vlaar has had too many injuries too. It's only now he's getting a good run, but he really needs someone next to him who's been around the block.
He shouldn't get a new deal. His wages are too high and there's little point having him on the books if he'll barely play. Even on pay as you play, it's pointless.
-
Does it depend on individual contracts as to whether a player is paid in full when he's suffering from a long term injury?
-
Does it depend on individual contracts as to whether a player is paid in full when he's suffering from a long term injury?
I would hope that Paul Faulkener is intelligent enough to have arranged a robust insurance policy for all our playing staff whereby the club can claim back wages paid to long term injured players. As he has not kicked a ball for us this season then surely the club will be compensated I hope.
-
If we do go down, I would definitely take him for another 12 months. His experience at a level down would be invaluable (assuming he'd take a pay cut). If we stay up, probably not.
-
Keep him for another year??? no chance....get rid and quick.
-
Keep him for another year??? no chance....get rid and quick.
Totally agree.
-
I repeat under no circumstances should he be offered a new deal.
-
I repeat under no circumstances should he be offered a new deal.
This
-
Deleted
-
No doubt some will get very upset at this:
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/richard-dunne-can-stay-at-aston-villa-if-he-proves-his-fitness-1.1388066
-
Will he join the lap of honour tomorrow? Will he even go to Villa Park?
-
He'd probably be vomiting on the sidelines before he completed the lap. No way is he staying at Villa.
-
If PL thinks he can still do a job, then I'd trust his judgement. It's the Irish FA who've screwed up his fitness. Who knows, Dunne could well reproduce his best form under PL. I think Dunne has been missed badly this year, and would've been useful alongside Vlaar and also to guide the younger players. PL may well offer him a pay-as-you-play contract, subject to him proving his fitness.
-
I agree with a point that was made earlier, Dunne will be aware of how fragile his career is now, and his experience can help.
-
I agree with the experience bit, but Dunne has trousered in excess of £2.6 million this season, and not set foot on the pitch or even looked like he would. He was slow 2 years ago, trust me he aint going to get any quicker!
People who have triple bypass heart operations have recovered quicker than him, he is just taking the piss, and i will never forgive him for what he did to Sid Cowans.
I will be massively dissapointed if we go from trying to build a young vibrant side to giving Dunne a new deal.
-
It's the Irish FA who've screwed up his fitness.
Did we not have to retract that assertion and apologise to the Irish FA?
-
I will be massively dissapointed if we go from trying to build a young vibrant side to giving Dunne a new deal.
The two things are not mutually exclusive. More young players will be signed/promoted over this summer irrespective of what happens with Dunne.
-
No doubt some will get very upset at this:
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/richard-dunne-can-stay-at-aston-villa-if-he-proves-his-fitness-1.1388066
Take the green glasses off and you might too ;)
Yeah, I did think he'll end-up staying. Far from decided but looks positive for him. Just hope he hasn't spent all his free time smoking like a trooper this past year - I'd worry more about his lungs stopping him from running than any weight-issues. He's just big-boned after all.
-
Every player Lambert inherited (with the exception of Petrov, for obvious reasons) has been given a chance on the pitch. Even Hutton got a half against Burton Albion. Dunne has not yet had that chance.
-
He's just big-boned after all.
(http://static.zoovy.com/img/2bhip/W1001-H1025-Bffffff/T/ts934_00_closeup_of_south_park_eric_cartman_beefcake_weight_gain_4000_cartoon_t.jpg)
-
He's not coming back, or at least certainly won't under the terms of his current deal or anything close to it. Hoepfully he is able to get fit and find a career for a few seasons in the US or in the Championship. He still has something to offer, just not at this level. His best scenario would be winding up at someone like Hull, but I was listening to Bruce the other day and I don't think that's the direction the club will go this time around in the PL.
-
Every player Lambert inherited (with the exception of Petrov, for obvious reasons) has been given a chance on the pitch. Even Hutton got a half against Burton Albion. Dunne has not yet had that chance.
Well said - he's should be given an opportunity by PL to show what he can do. The guy has been desperately unlucky with this groin injury.
-
If Lambert was hiding in a cave during Euro 2012, I'd agree he should give Dunne a chance.
-
Won't be offered a new contract according to Kendrick. Never in doubt was it? I'm actually suprised that there were so many who thought there was a chance he would be offered a new deal really.
-
Always a bonus to start the post-season with some good news.
-
Here is the article BTW: www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-richard-dunne-told-3897597
-
DP
-
The club will save a fortune, not just his wages but the club catering bill will be halved.
-
Apart from his age, his wages, his performances and conduct, the gist of things as I understand is that he is no closer to playing a game of football now than he was at the start of the season. In fact, I am not sure his injury has even been correctly diagnosed yet. The last I heard was it was like a hernia with no herniation. The wife has an NHS self diagnosis book, I will ask her to work that one out.
-
He should never have played in Euro 2012. While I admire his commitment to his country he was not fit and it completely destroyed his recovery.
-
The club will save a fortune, not just his wages but the club catering bill will be halved.
On the flipside, the local fast-food economy will be taking a hit.
-
I can't see him playing at the top level again. 12 months out is tough for a fit, young player to come back from. For a bloke who has always struggled with his weight and fitness, and is already slow, he is a write off. I hope we have tried to claw some of the last 12 months back through insurance on him if possible.
-
Now in the torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10069744/Richard-Dunne-axed-as-Aston-Villa-begin-cull-of-costly-fringe-men.html). Dunne had one really good season on the back of being told to do one from Man City. After than it was all downhill :(
-
Does it depend on individual contracts as to whether a player is paid in full when he's suffering from a long term injury?
I would hope that Paul Faulkener is intelligent enough to have arranged a robust insurance policy for all our playing staff whereby the club can claim back wages paid to long term injured players. As he has not kicked a ball for us this season then surely the club will be compensated I hope.
I like to think we've protected ourselves with insurance
taken from Lloyds - The World's specialist insurance market (http://www.lloyds.com/news-and-insight/news-and-features/market-news/industry-news-2011/football-transfer-season-puts-lloyds-in-a-league-of-its-own)
" Asset protection
Football clubs buy large amounts of insurance – to cover their stadium, spectators and players. Underwriters insure more than £1bn of football related risk in the UK alone, with many of the 3,000 professional players buying insurance. The majority of the 500 players in the Premier League are insured for between £5-£25m.
Clubs in the top divisions typically buy insurance to protect their investment in their players, said Roland Fox, Underwriter at MAP Underwriting. Clubs can insure against the loss of multi-million pound transfer fees if a player is unable to play because of a career ending injury or illness. They can also buy insurance to pay salaries should a player suffer a temporary injury or illness, he says.
“If a club has spent millions in the transfer market buying a player, they will want to protect their balance sheet,” says Fox. “Premiership clubs buy personal accident insurance for a career ending injury, and some also buy insurance for temporary disablement.”
As transfer fees and players’ wages have rocketed over the years, so have exposures. The gap between premiums and liability has been widening, says Fox. Medical advancements mean that claims are now less likely, but a large loss would have a significant impact on the personal accident insurance market, he says.
On the ball
Career ending injuries are rare, although a player’s future in football can be cut short due to sickness or an accident off the pitch, says Fraser.
Underwriters provide cover for players both on and off the pitch, and although policies typically exclude activities like extreme sports and piloting helicopters, these can also be insured at Lloyd’s.
Players also may purchase their own insurance to cover lost income as a result of an accident, illness or injury, says Fraser. Typically, a top player will buy up to five times their earnings.
High values
The Lloyd’s market pioneered personal accident insurance for professional players over two decades ago and remains a leading market for covering sports such as football, rugby, basketball, baseball and American football, says Fraser. Lloyd’s is particularly strong at insuring sports that involve high values or high risk, because of the need for underwriting expertise and the syndication of risk, he says.
High value Premiership players command transfer fees in the tens of million of pounds, and this requires as many as 10 or more syndicates to share the risk, he says. "
"
-
He'll be off to the MLS, he will have to avoid the North American diet though!
-
He'll be off to the MLS, he will have to avoid the North American diet though!
More likely the NHS
-
Good riddance. Trouble maker and a totally unprofessional "professional" footballer. Can't see him getting a gig after us, so hopefully MON will take him on as his new fitness coach.
-
I agree with all of that, Greg. Except the bit about MoN finding a job.
-
the club moved quickly to fire TSM last summer. I imagine they'll do likewise with players that they no longer want. Expect similar news to land on the doorstep of messrs Ireland, Hutton, Given that they'll need to find pastures new. We'll take a bath on the fees paid and might even have to subsidise the contracts when they go elsewhere, but the bottom line is none of these players will be at the club come August.
-
I agree with all of that, Greg. Except the bit about MoN finding a job.
Stoke seems perfect for both a dinosaur manager and a lumbering past-it centre half with a weight problem.. I'll bet he applies at least. ;)
-
The only thing I will give Dunne is his performance at Smethwick just after he returned from his injury last season. The point we got that day effectively kept us up.
-
Is that the last of O'Neil's high earners gone now?
-
He'll be off to the MLS, he will have to avoid the North American diet though!
More likely the NHS
This made me laugh out loud for some reason!
-
The trouble when talking about insurance - as I understand it - is that, now that his contract has expired, he has no value. So there is nothing to insure.
If he had, say, two years left to run, we could claim that he was still worth two years' salary.
I could be wrong.
-
Is that the last of O'Neil's high earners gone now?
Yes. Though we are still lumbered with the post-MON high earners which just shows how poorly this club has been run.
-
Now in the torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10069744/Richard-Dunne-axed-as-Aston-Villa-begin-cull-of-costly-fringe-men.html). Dunne had one really good season on the back of being told to do one from Man City. After than it was all downhill :(
Wouldn't disagree with that.
He had an incentive, a desire to prove Citeh wrong.
After that he got comfortable. Coming back to pre season training two stone overweight in 2010 was disgraceful. He should have been potted there and then, in all honesty. But for the managerial shenanigans around that time, he might well have been.
-
Now in the torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10069744/Richard-Dunne-axed-as-Aston-Villa-begin-cull-of-costly-fringe-men.html). Dunne had one really good season on the back of being told to do one from Man City. After than it was all downhill :(
Wouldn't disagree with that.
He had an incentive, a desire to prove Citeh wrong.
After that he got comfortable. Coming back to pre season training two stone overweight in 2010 was disgraceful. He should have been potted there and then, in all honesty. But for the managerial shenanigans around that time, he might well have been.
Would like to add a bit of nuance to that: after being dropped by GH for being shit and over-weight, he actually came back a bit lighter and played better for the last half of the 2010/11 season.
-
the club moved quickly to fire TSM last summer. I imagine they'll do likewise with players that they no longer want. Expect similar news to land on the doorstep of messrs Ireland, Hutton, Given that they'll need to find pastures new. We'll take a bath on the fees paid and might even have to subsidise the contracts when they go elsewhere, but the bottom line is none of these players will be at the club come August.
There's no playing hardball with footballers these days.
Certainly not with Dunne. His contract has expired. There's no tough action on behalf of the club, and what's more, even if we decided to do so, there are limits to what we can do.
I would imagine Warnock, for example, is entirely clear he has no future as he'd spent months training with the under 12s, but he's still quite capable of sitting on his arse kerchinging in his 50k a week till the end of his contract if he wanted to do so. If he decides he still wants to be at the club in August, he still will be.
Look at how we managed the likes of Makoun. Does he even play for us, in the legal sense? Is he a Villa player? He's not pulled on a Villa shirt for, what, two years, but most of that time he has been on our books.
The club can't act the tough guy here, no matter how much they want to. The amount of money we have pissed away on situations like this is just remarkable.
-
Seem to recall he was a regular under both Kevin Mac and GH. It was only the incident with Sid at the health spar that led to him and Collins being dropped.
It's something we've done too much of, going back a number of years, in all honesty.
Dion Dublin was a big player for us when he arrived in 1998. But by 2001 he was clearly far less effective -and yet still got game time, in the hope that he might hit the same heights as before.
JPA was outstanding in 2003/04. Less so in 2004/05 and was still a regular in 2005/06, when he consistently looked a few yards off the pace.
Both of those were far better pro's than Dunne, but at other clubs -particularly clubs with designs of Europe and beyond- they'd have been ditched a long time before they actually were. Either moved on, or at the very least dropped. The latter two were obviously more popular with supporters that Fatboy (though Dion did get booed in a cup match when he had one miss too many IIRC). But popularity and past reputation shouldn't really come into it. We're talking about professional sport, after all.
-
Warnock left in January.
-
the club moved quickly to fire TSM last summer. I imagine they'll do likewise with players that they no longer want. Expect similar news to land on the doorstep of messrs Ireland, Hutton, Given that they'll need to find pastures new. We'll take a bath on the fees paid and might even have to subsidise the contracts when they go elsewhere, but the bottom line is none of these players will be at the club come August.
There's no playing hardball with footballers these days.
Certainly not with Dunne. His contract has expired. There's no tough action on behalf of the club, and what's more, even if we decided to do so, there are limits to what we can do.
I would imagine Warnock, for example, is entirely clear he has no future as he'd spent months training with the under 12s, but he's still quite capable of sitting on his arse kerchinging in his 50k a week till the end of his contract if he wanted to do so. If he decides he still wants to be at the club in August, he still will be.
Look at how we managed the likes of Makoun. Does he even play for us, in the legal sense? Is he a Villa player? He's not pulled on a Villa shirt for, what, two years, but most of that time he has been on our books.
The club can't act the tough guy here, no matter how much they want to. The amount of money we have pissed away on situations like this is just remarkable.
thing is it's not about acting tough. It's about finding a financial deal to get the player out of the club. Makoun has gone, Warnock was essentially released in January with I'm sure the club footing part of his salary to Leeds. Hutton is no longer welcome, and I reckon that one or two others will find the same fate. They've all been financial nightmares so if they are not going to contribute then they no longer need to be a distraction. I see today it's being suggested that Given might need a pay off to go. Not surprising considering his age and contract. We are going to have to sweeten the pot to move one or two others too.
-
Makoun and Warnock are long gone. As much as we loved them we have to accept it.
-
Makoun and Warnock are long gone. As much as we loved them we have to accept it.
-
Did we get any money for Makoun?
-
Did we get any money for Makoun?
"Undisclosed fee".
So, your guess is as good as mine. We'll probably be able to make an educated guess when the 2012-13 accounts get published. In 2014.
-
Makoun and Warnock are long gone. As much as we loved them we have to accept it.
Makoun isn't actually gone until July 1st, despite having been on loan for two entire seasons. What a gigantic waste of money.
-
thing is it's not about acting tough. It's about finding a financial deal to get the player out of the club. Makoun has gone, Warnock was essentially released in January with I'm sure the club footing part of his salary to Leeds. Hutton is no longer welcome, and I reckon that one or two others will find the same fate. They've all been financial nightmares so if they are not going to contribute then they no longer need to be a distraction. I see today it's being suggested that Given might need a pay off to go. Not surprising considering his age and contract. We are going to have to sweeten the pot to move one or two others too.
It's not about acting tough, no, but this club has a terrible recent record in lumbering itself with players we pay decent money for, then don't use, and watch them sit out their contracts before fucking off for nothing, having sucked millions of pounds out of us.
Hutton might not be welcome, but I won't be celebrating him fucking off until he actually fucks off - we could end up paying him 40k a week for a fair while yet, unfortunately.
Then there's the likes of Beye, NRC and Heskey who realised they were on to a corker of a deal and sat out their contracts to the last moment. Given is supposedly going to cost us £5m to get shot of.
This isn't about giving players some kind of firm message they're no longer wanted and shipping them out, it is about paying them loads and loads of money to go, all on top of the money we've already wasted on them.
I shudder to think how much money we've spunked away like that, it's abysmal, and there are people in the upper reaches of the club who need to learn a lesson and make sure it never happens again.
-
It's without doubt a terrible recent record of putting ourselves in a hole financially. We need to get out of it even if it means just taking it on the chin one final time and ridding ourselves of those players. As much as the money part is horrific to chew on, the fact that these players continue to hover over us like a black cloud keep us from properly shedding the stench of those years.
This isn't so much a firm message to any players, it's more a change for themselves. If nothing else it will help to draw a line firmly in the sand that those kinds of contracts and that era of careless financial management is very much a thing of the past.
-
Best of luck to Dunne too. His attitude to his profession could often be called into question but was a huge loss for us last season. Id take a pissed Richard Dunne over Ron Vlaar any day. Had many outstanding performances for us and his country but Id say he is finished now.
-
Best of luck to Dunne too. His attitude to his profession could often be called into question but was a huge loss for us last season. Id take a pissed Richard Dunne over Ron Vlaar any day. Had many outstanding performances for us and his country but Id say he is finished now.
Fuck him, and I'd take Vlaar all day long and twice on Sunday.
-
I thought Makoun going was a joke, wasn't it announced on 1 April? I'll believe that one when it happens. If true we will now have lost Dunne, Makoun, Lichaj, Marshall, Petrov and Dawkins from the "playing" staff since the end of the season. Just Hutton, N'Zogbia, Bent, Given and Ireland left of the high paid non playing element of the squad. No matter people's thoughts on Bowery, Bannan, Fonz, Albie, KEA and Holman etc., they wont be on mega bucks so it wont break the bank if they can't/aren't shifted. The big question is the first five, I'd be amazed, but thrilled if we shifted all of them in one transfer window, i think it could take 2 or 3 before we are rid of them all.
-
I thought Makoun going was a joke, wasn't it announced on 1 April? I'll believe that one when it happens. If true we will now have lost Dunne, Makoun, Lichaj, Marshall, Petrov and Dawkins from the "playing" staff since the end of the season. Just Hutton, N'Zogbia, Bent, Given and Ireland left of the high paid non playing element of the squad. No matter people's thoughts on Bowery, Bannan, Fonz, Albie, KEA and Holman etc., they wont be on mega bucks so it wont break the bank if they can't/aren't shifted. The big question is the first five, I'd be amazed, but thrilled if we shifted all of them in one transfer window, i think it could take 2 or 3 before we are rid of them all.
Makoun coming was a joke - he'd been a £13m flop previously and we still paid £7m for him
-
Didn't Houllier put the journos' right on Makoun's cost? About £4m wasn't it?
-
Makoun is the modern day Matthieu Berson
-
Didn't Houllier put the journos' right on Makoun's cost? About £4m wasn't it?
Not sure to be fair. It was still £3.95m too much. And that's without his wages - what about £5m since he joined.
We have signed some right over priced shit in the last decade or so
-
The transfer fees and wages in the MON days has been discussed to death, but obviously having three managers in three years and allowing each of them to bring in their own players has meant ripping up the script every season to try to start again but being stuck with the previous cast members. Maybe Blackburn have the right idea by sacking managers every five minutes before they have the chance to sign players.
-
I think Dunne will go to Hull. Don't know why.
-
In talks with QPR, although it was in "The Sun" so may not be true.
-
Predictable joke time. Someone should explain to 'Arry that if he wants to follow the Lambert model then he really needs to learn the other meaning of hungry players.
-
Has he gone yet?
-
Has he gone yet?
sadly not
-
Funny how he's suddenly fit enough to be training and possibly in contention to start for Ireland. Miraculous
http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/19661037
-
I'd love to know the truth behind the scenes. If he even plays one minute for Ireland as fans we need to know why on earth he couldn't play one minute for us. If he acted a cock and was left out for that I'll accept it, but it would be nothing short of scandalous if he suddenly made a return for his national side. There were so many occasions during the season where we could have used his experience and ability.
-
Would appear he has gone.
Aston Villa defender Richard Dunne made his long-awaited comeback after a year on Sunday, in a training session with the Republic of Ireland, and he could make a shock return to the Irish squad to face England.
The 33-year-old centre-back was released by Villa boss Paul Lambert last week, after failing to play last season due to groin and back injuries.
He took part in a training session with the Irish squad near Watford and although he is rated with only an outside chance for this week’s clash against England, the former Ireland player of the year is pencilled in to face Georgia in a friendly in Dublin next week.
Ireland manager Giovanni Trapattoni said: 'He is important for our future. We have spoken to the doctor and the situation is delicate with his club and we don’t want to make a new injury.
'I have spoken with him and he has no club at the moment but we need him for the future. I told Richard we will help him as he deserves respect. Another injury would be a blow for him but we hope he can play.'
Leeds United midfielder Paul Green is out of Wednesday’s friendly at Wembley with a hamstring injury and Wigan’s James McCarthy is a doubt for Trapattoni with a hamstring problem. The Ireland boss has called up Hull City’s Stephen Quinn as cover.
-
I don't know why they're worried about us being upset. Knock yourself out Giovanni, it would be rather amusing to see him an 'unfit' Dunne playing against England as if there's any other version. At least Wembley should be big enough to accomodate his turning circle.
-
Maybe it is just a coincidence that he is apparently fit again , but I think he owes us an explanation. If he has nothing to say after we have paid his wages for a year then I assume he has used and exploited us.
I wish he could have been assessed by the bastards at ATOS. They would declared him fit for work months ago.
-
I don't know why they're worried about us being upset. Knock yourself out Giovanni, it would be rather amusing to see him an 'unfit' Dunne playing against England as if there's any other version. At least Wembley should be big enough to accomodate his turning circle.
I think the problem here is that he is under co tract to us until the end of June. If the injury is aggravated there could be questions over who is responsible for the injury. The Villa or ROI. If he is training with Ireland then he must have walked away from last month of hos contract
-
Maybe it is just a coincidence that he is apparently fit again , but I think he owes us an explanation. If he has nothing to say after we have paid his wages for a year then I assume he has used and exploited us.
I wish he could have been assessed by the bastards at ATOS. They would declared him fit for work months ago.
Presumably the imminent loss of 50k a week has focused his mind somewhat. If you were his agent, then a friendly international at Wembley would be the perfect showcase to attract potential employers providing he doesn't look totally off the pace. I fear pies are off the menu in the Dunne Household for at least a month.
-
I don't know why they're worried about us being upset. Knock yourself out Giovanni, it would be rather amusing to see him an 'unfit' Dunne playing against England as if there's any other version. At least Wembley should be big enough to accomodate his turning circle.
I think the problem here is that he is under co tract to us until the end of June. If the injury is aggravated there could be questions over who is responsible for the injury. The Villa or ROI. If he is training with Ireland then he must have walked away from last month of hos contract
Could be something like that. I don't know if we received any money from the insurers for his injury this season but if we did, we may have a duty to make sure we do everything right in returning him to full (hah!) fitness otherwise they may be iffy with the payout.
-
If he chooses to declare himself after a year of sitting on his arse for a year baffling the Drs and being sent to all ends of the universe for medical opinions. That's his choice isn't it ?we shouldn't be liable surely?
-
In talks with QPR, although it was in "The Sun" so may not be true.
Yes a back four made in heaven of Bosingwa, Dunne, Samba, Onuoha!
-
Unbelievable, really, if true that he is in the ROI squad.
As TV says, the real behind-the-scenes story would be good to hear.
-
I thought his contract ran to end of August. As Lambert has released him on a free transfer does that mean his contract has been paid up, or are we still paying him?
-
still on the club site (weighing in at 15 stone) bet my arse he is heavier than that.
Pro!
-
If a player is injured during international duty doesn't the countries FA pick up the tab? Thoughts that's how it works? So all this time he's been out we've not been paying his medical bill, which may have suited villa just fine.
-
Didn't we see him looking fit, trim and in training during the snow last January? Remember those pictures that were released?
Maybe he was trying and did have setbacks. Lambert hinted several times that he hoped Dunne would be available and even indicated that a new contract would be forthcoming.
We have had worse characters than Dunne on the books, including Mr. Stephen Ireland. I don't think Dunne is a shirker, he messed up badly with Collins under Houllier but think he has been a bit of a scapegoat since then.
-
Didn't we see him looking fit, trim and in training during the snow last January? Remember those pictures that were released?
Maybe he was trying and did have setbacks. Lambert hinted several times that he hoped Dunne would be available and even indicated that a new contract would be forthcoming.
We have had worse characters than Dunne on the books, including Mr. Stephen Ireland. I don't think Dunne is a shirker, he messed up badly with Collins under Houllier but think he has been a bit of a scapegoat since then.
Agreed. He has been at least competent for most of his (playing) time here.
-
If a player is injured during international duty doesn't the countries FA pick up the tab? Thoughts that's how it works? So all this time he's been out we've not been paying his medical bill, which may have suited villa just fine.
But there do seem to be queries as to when this injury first happened. Did it happen at the Euros or was he injured when he went to Poland. There is a distinct lack of clear information around all of this
-
I do find it a bit distasteful that's he's miraculously got the chance of being fit for Sunday, after an entire season on the sidelines.
-
Very almost nearly fit for the Irish but couldn't manage to pull on a sock for Villa? When we possibly needed him most? Very, very curious.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Didn't we see him looking fit, trim and in training during the snow last January? Remember those pictures that were released?
Maybe he was trying and did have setbacks. Lambert hinted several times that he hoped Dunne would be available and even indicated that a new contract would be forthcoming.
We have had worse characters than Dunne on the books, including Mr. Stephen Ireland. I don't think Dunne is a shirker, he messed up badly with Collins under Houllier but think he has been a bit of a scapegoat since then.
Agreed. He has been at least competent for most of his (playing) time here.
Top comment, on of the more ridiculous things I have read on here and that takes something .
Bottom one, based on reality. There were many on here who had the knives out for Dunne before he even arrived for some reason. His season that saw him get picked in the PFA team of the year, had them retreat for a while, but as soon as the clubs fortunes went down hill, he was the scapegoat.
He is trying to get fit for next season by training and playing a low key international. It's a long way apart from throwing himself into a relegation battle, which he clearly wasn't ready for. Would people really have wanted a half crocked Dunne to have lined out for us before the Sunderland game, only to have to take him off after 20 minutes?
-
Dunne did a decent job for us under mon - never looked the same player since mon left and well past his best now - i think ireland is more a blight on our club than dunne though.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Dunne has been on the whole a good player for us. We'll probably never know the ins and outs of what happened last season, but to class him in the same bracket as Hodge is quite laughable.
Talk about OTT!
-
Dunne has been fit for a long time. Would not surprise me to see him play for ROI.
-
Dunne has been fit for a long time. Would not surprise me to see him play for ROI.
How can you be so assertive on his fitness? - do you have an ITK that you'd like to share?
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
What?
He's had some very good games for us and has never lowered himself on the pitch to the level of Steve Hodge. His attitude might suggest we don't mean that much to him but that's no different than many players over the years.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Dunne has been on the whole a good player for us. We'll probably never know the ins and outs of what happened last season
He was probably more thinking about the season before last, wasn't he? The incident with Collins and Sid Cowans?
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Dunne has been on the whole a good player for us. We'll probably never know the ins and outs of what happened last season
He was probably more thinking about the season before last, wasn't he? The incident with Collins and Sid Cowans?
I'm sure he's not the first player to have a fight or get pissed at the club. Hardly a reason to put him in the class of Steve Hodge. He was a good player for us on the whole, lets not try and fool anyone Into thinking different.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Dunne has been on the whole a good player for us. We'll probably never know the ins and outs of what happened last season, but to class him in the same bracket as Hodge is quite laughable.
Talk about OTT!
The shit you gave those who actually bothered to turn out for us last season, and yet you defend this useless sack of shite.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
What?
He's had some very good games for us and has never lowered himself on the pitch to the level of Steve Hodge. His attitude might suggest we don't mean that much to him but that's no different than many players over the years.
His since O'Neill left has been a disgrace. That's now quite some time.
At least Hodge made it out on to the pitch.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Dunne has been on the whole a good player for us. We'll probably never know the ins and outs of what happened last season, but to class him in the same bracket as Hodge is quite laughable.
Talk about OTT!
The shit you gave those who actually bothered to turn out for us last season, and yet you defend this useless sack of shite.
You haven't got a clue why Dunne was out for the season yet you've jumped to the conclusion that something sinister was going on and now you're putting him in the Hodge class. Just laughable.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
What?
He's had some very good games for us and has never lowered himself on the pitch to the level of Steve Hodge. His attitude might suggest we don't mean that much to him but that's no different than many players over the years.
His since O'Neill left has been a disgrace. That's now quite some time.
At least Hodge made it out on to the pitch.
Having a long term injury now equates being a disgrace?
He put in some good performances last season, particularly at the end, when he was needed.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Dunne has been on the whole a good player for us. We'll probably never know the ins and outs of what happened last season, but to class him in the same bracket as Hodge is quite laughable.
Talk about OTT!
The shit you gave those who actually bothered to turn out for us last season, and yet you defend this useless sack of shite.
You haven't got a clue why Dunne was out for the season yet you've jumped to the conclusion that something sinister was going on and now you're putting him in the Hodge class. Just laughable.
Absolutely I have.
He's just took the best part of £3m out of my club for doing fuck all for a year, and bookending this period he's been selected for international squads, and the two years before that he staggered between disgrace and liability.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Dunne has been on the whole a good player for us. We'll probably never know the ins and outs of what happened last season, but to class him in the same bracket as Hodge is quite laughable.
Talk about OTT!
The shit you gave those who actually bothered to turn out for us last season, and yet you defend this useless sack of shite.
You haven't got a clue why Dunne was out for the season yet you've jumped to the conclusion that something sinister was going on and now you're putting him in the Hodge class. Just laughable.
Absolutely I have.
He's just took the best part of £3m out of my club for doing fuck all for a year, and bookending this period he's been selected for international squads, and the two years before that he staggered between disgrace and liability.
He was injured. Would you prefer it if injured players didn't pick up their wages?
Dunne has never been a disgrace or a liability. In fact if he was fit this season I'd bet my bottom dollar we wouldn't have conceded a horrific 69 league goals.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Dunne has been on the whole a good player for us. We'll probably never know the ins and outs of what happened last season, but to class him in the same bracket as Hodge is quite laughable.
Talk about OTT!
The shit you gave those who actually bothered to turn out for us last season, and yet you defend this useless sack of shite.
You haven't got a clue why Dunne was out for the season yet you've jumped to the conclusion that something sinister was going on and now you're putting him in the Hodge class. Just laughable.
Absolutely I have.
He's just took the best part of £3m out of my club for doing fuck all for a year, and bookending this period he's been selected for international squads, and the two years before that he staggered between disgrace and liability.
He was injured. Would you prefer it if injured players didn't pick up their wages?
Dunne has never been a disgrace or a liability. In fact if he was fit this season I'd bet my bottom dollar we wouldn't have conceded a horrific 69 league goals.
We'll never know, as he was never availiable for selection.
What was the injury again? Does anyone actually know?
-
Gilmore's groin. Or a broken fingernail.
-
Groin injury, I believe. He's had surgery twice on it or do you believe he went under the knife to avoid playing?
Don't the club have insurance policies to recoup money spent on wages for long term injuries?
-
It will be interesting to see if he plays tonight.
-
Groin injury, I believe. He's had surgery twice on it or do you believe he went under the knife to avoid playing?
Don't the club have insurance policies to recoup money spent on wages for long term injuries?
Is that similar to the "Land Rover bad back"?
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Didn't we see him looking fit, trim and in training during the snow last January? Remember those pictures that were released?
Maybe he was trying and did have setbacks. Lambert hinted several times that he hoped Dunne would be available and even indicated that a new contract would be forthcoming.
We have had worse characters than Dunne on the books, including Mr. Stephen Ireland. I don't think Dunne is a shirker, he messed up badly with Collins under Houllier but think he has been a bit of a scapegoat since then.
Agreed. He has been at least competent for most of his (playing) time here.
Top comment, on of the more ridiculous things I have read on here and that takes something .
Bottom one, based on reality. There were many on here who had the knives out for Dunne before he even arrived for some reason. His season that saw him get picked in the PFA team of the year, had them retreat for a while, but as soon as the clubs fortunes went down hill, he was the scapegoat.
He is trying to get fit for next season by training and playing a low key international. It's a long way apart from throwing himself into a relegation battle, which he clearly wasn't ready for. Would people really have wanted a half crocked Dunne to have lined out for us before the Sunderland game, only to have to take him off after 20 minutes?
The Cowans incident, waddling in for pre season training two stone overweight in 2010 and being spotted up town drinking and smoking mark him out as a shit professional, with little or no respect for the Villa.
I undertstand that some Irish Villa fans like to think of him differently, and cut him more slack based on his contribution for his country for 10+ years. But I judge him purely based on what he's done in C&B, or his behaviour whilst on the clubs payroll. And he's been a letdown, for the most part. Form, fitness, leadership, the whole nine yards.
When people have to isolate the one or two good games he's had for the past two years, that says it all for me. A reasonable, reliable centre half will give you 7/10 performances most games, with the occasional 'mare thrown in. With Dunne, it was the other way around.
It's little wonder people are suspicious about his sudden return to fitness, just in time for an attractive set of games for his country, when he can put himself in the shop window.
Ability wise, he probably was our best centre half for these past few years. But when measured against Colllins, Clark and Baker (who I actually have hope for, but who is clearly a long way short of the finished article) that's not actually saying much. It's the worst set of centre halves I can recall us having for the best part of two decades.
-
It will be interesting to see if he plays tonight.
He's been ruled out by Trap.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Didn't we see him looking fit, trim and in training during the snow last January? Remember those pictures that were released?
Maybe he was trying and did have setbacks. Lambert hinted several times that he hoped Dunne would be available and even indicated that a new contract would be forthcoming.
We have had worse characters than Dunne on the books, including Mr. Stephen Ireland. I don't think Dunne is a shirker, he messed up badly with Collins under Houllier but think he has been a bit of a scapegoat since then.
Agreed. He has been at least competent for most of his (playing) time here.
Top comment, on of the more ridiculous things I have read on here and that takes something .
Bottom one, based on reality. There were many on here who had the knives out for Dunne before he even arrived for some reason. His season that saw him get picked in the PFA team of the year, had them retreat for a while, but as soon as the clubs fortunes went down hill, he was the scapegoat.
He is trying to get fit for next season by training and playing a low key international. It's a long way apart from throwing himself into a relegation battle, which he clearly wasn't ready for. Would people really have wanted a half crocked Dunne to have lined out for us before the Sunderland game, only to have to take him off after 20 minutes?
The Cowans incident, waddling in for pre season training two stone overweight in 2010 and being spotted up town drinking and smoking mark him out as a shit professional, with little or no respect for the Villa.
I undertstand that some Irish Villa fans like to think of him differently, and cut him more slack based on his contribution for his country for 10+ years. But I judge him purely based on what he's done in C&B, or his behaviour whilst on the clubs payroll. And he's been a letdown, for the most part. Form, fitness, leadership, the whole nine yards.
When people have to isolate the one or two good games he's had for the past two years, that says it all for me. A reasonable, reliable centre half will give you 7/10 performances most games, with the occasional 'mare thrown in. With Dunne, it was the other way around.
It's little wonder people are suspicious about his sudden return to fitness, just in time for an attractive set of games for his country, when he can put himself in the shop window.
Ability wise, he probably was our best centre half for these past few years. But when measured against Colllins, Clark and Baker (who I actually have hope for, but who is clearly a long way short of the finished article) that's not actually saying much. It's the worst set of centre halves I can recall us having for the best part of two decades.
I accept that this is a more balanced criticism of Dunne than "he's a stain". But I still think it's harsh. You could say that his performances for Ireland cloud my opinion, but I would say that he was playing in a team, well set up and played to his strengths. He has been part of the worst Villa squad I can remember over the last couple of years and like many others has disappointed at times. I would also argue that his solid performances outweigh the calamities significantly and all this while playing with, as you say the worst set of centre halves in 20 years.
He's not the first player to have examples of unprofessional behaviour and won't be the last, but to use them as an argument that he has sat on his hole this year pretending he has an injury is a bit bizarre, especially when the club have stated he has undergone surgery twice this year.
-
I'd like to think it is purely just coincidence.
He's out of tonight's game anyway.
For all his faults, I never took him to be someone who would pick and choose his games.
-
I'd like to think it is purely just coincidence.
He's out of tonight's game anyway.
For all his faults, I never took him to be someone who would pick and choose his pies.
Corrected.
-
He is probably desperate to play, and for all we know was desperate to play for the Villa too. The club's medical staff would have had the final say, I guess.
-
Dunne talking shit in my opinion...its because you were injured all season. Brad is better than Shay and Warnock....well, he's Warnock.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8753537/Transfer-News-Richard-Dunne-is-looking-for-new-club
-
He is basically sticking up for his mates but makes a fair point about experience. He is also pointing out the way Villa and PL have chosen to move forward. Having started the revolution last summer and seen it work out generally speaking, Lambert isn't going to do a U-turn in his policies now.
-
Dunne talking shit in my opinion...its because you were injured all season. Brad is better than Shay and Warnock....well, he's Warnock.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8753537/Transfer-News-Richard-Dunne-is-looking-for-new-club
Jeeps if he citing Warnock as part of his arguement then that is shite. Warnock seemed to shit stir from the moment O'Neill left. Best of luck Dunney - we never seen much out of you for the money, more than (S) Ireland, CNZ and a few others but still not good enough overall
-
Republic of Ireland and Georgia
Westwood, Wilson, R.Keogh, Delaney, McShane, A.Keogh, McCarthy, Hoolahan, McClean, Cox, Long (C)
Dunne on bench and was talking about being fit since may1st
big 3 games for dunney in where he wil go and play next as out of contract - good luck to him
-
He has just come on........
-
He has just come on........
I always thought he was a big girl.
-
The club owe the fat bastard nothing.
-
Richard Dunne is a stain on our club.
For me, he's out there with Hodge.
Dunne has been on the whole a good player for us. We'll probably never know the ins and outs of what happened last season, but to class him in the same bracket as Hodge is quite laughable.
Talk about OTT!
The shit you gave those who actually bothered to turn out for us last season, and yet you defend this useless sack of shite.
You haven't got a clue why Dunne was out for the season yet you've jumped to the conclusion that something sinister was going on and now you're putting him in the Hodge class. Just laughable.
Absolutely I have.
He's just took the best part of £3m out of my club for doing fuck all for a year, and bookending this period he's been selected for international squads, and the two years before that he staggered between disgrace and liability.
He was injured. Would you prefer it if injured players didn't pick up their wages?
Dunne has never been a disgrace or a liability. In fact if he was fit this season I'd bet my bottom dollar we wouldn't have conceded a horrific 69 league goals.
He played most of 10/11 and we conceded 60 goals that year so yeah small reduction.
-
He's a free loading wanker - but it's his family I worry about ( thought I'd say that before someone else did )
-
He's a free loading wanker - but it's his family I worry about ( thought I'd say that before someone else did )
Welcome home mate. Hope all was good on your holiday.
-
He's a free loading wanker - but it's his family I worry about ( thought I'd say that before someone else did )
Welcome home mate. Hope all was good on your holiday.
We had a superb holiday mate - with some moments of pure magic that woud bring a tear to the glassiest of eyes.
Will send you a DM this week.
But all that magic was soon washed away when I saw that freeloading tnuc trotting on tonight.
In the Hodge file for me
Wanker
-
Would love to slam dunk his head into a balti pie
He'd enjoy that
-
my lasting image of him is reaching for a header and falling short. he seemed to do that an awful lot
-
Think Dunne could still do a job for 1 more year and should be kept. Need have some experience alongside our younger players.
-
Think Dunne could still do a job for 1 more year and should be kept. Need have some experience alongside our younger players.
He could take the bins out at full time.
-
Think Dunne could still do a job for 1 more year and should be kept. Need have some experience alongside our younger players.
Wrong.
-
He will probably end up at Celtic.
-
Totally agree about the Irish comments. We have been proper fecked over by Man City and Irish players. He was always an accident waiting to happen.
-
He will probably end up at Celtic.
He looks slimmer in hoops.
-
He will probably end up at Celtic.
He looks slimmer in hoops.
Nah. I'm reliably informed by Mrs. A that hoops make you look fatter.
It'll be Sunderland, boggies, S'oton or the barcodes, as stripes are slimming. Apparently.
-
Think Dunne could still do a job for 1 more year and should be kept. Need have some experience alongside our younger players.
Sorry but this can't and won't happen. Hopefully he'll load Steven Ireland into his boot and feck off into the sunset as soon as possible.
-
He will probably end up at Celtic.
Seems he is being linked to them.
-
Totally agree about the Irish comments. We have been proper fecked over by Man City and Irish players. He was always an accident waiting to happen.
Has nothing to do with them being Irish.
Or coming from man City for that matter.
-
I'm hoping he will be viewing Ireland as his lunch
-
Think Dunne could still do a job for 1 more year and should be kept. Need have some experience alongside our younger players.
Maybe we could use him as a pitch roller?
-
Richard Dunne, Eric Lichaj, Andy Marshall, Jean II Makoun and Simon Dawkins have left Villa.
-
Richard Dunne, Eric Lichaj, Andy Marshall, Jean II Makoun and Simon Dawkins have left Villa.
Sounds good to me
-
Sort of surprised Lichaj has gone, not so much the rest.
-
Ireland Bannan Given Bent & Hutton next please.
-
Nothing against Dunne, If he were to read this I'd like to say good luck for the future all the best.
-
Nothing against Dunne, If he were to read this I'd like to say good luck for the future all the best.
Same here. Decent player for us on the whole. I don't get all this hate for him from some of our fans.
-
I'd wish Lichaj all the best, at his age he needs to try and establish himself somewhere in the first team. He's been a good young pro and been a credit to the club. Shame I couldn't say the same about the fat pie eater. I hope he loses his Greggs loyalty card.
-
Dunne has underperformed for us, IMHO. And this last 12 months has been a total enigma: what the hell was going on there?!
-
I'd wish Lichaj all the best, at his age he needs to try and establish himself somewhere in the first team. He's been a good young pro and been a credit to the club. Shame I couldn't say the same about the fat pie eater. I hope he loses his Greggs loyalty card.
Spot on.
-
Nothing against Dunne, If he were to read this I'd like to say good luck for the future all the best.
Same here. Decent player for us on the whole. I don't get all this hate for him from some of our fans.
His condition in pre-season before mon walked was appalling and showed just how unprofessional he was. That whole season he looked unfit and unprepared to put the effort in to make it right.
-
Dunne has taken the piss for a few years now . Out of shape and bad attitude. Poor professionalism.
-
Dunne's Villa career: Good first season albeit giving away goal in most important game of the season. Two seasons of in and out performances punctuated by bouts of unprofessional behaviour then one season where he completely disappeared. He won't be missed.
-
Dunne's Villa career: Good first season albeit giving away goal in most important game of the season. Two seasons of in and out performances punctuated by bouts of unprofessional behaviour then one season where he completely disappeared. He won't be missed.
He was missed last season. 69 league goals conceded proves that.
-
Dunne has underperformed for us, IMHO. And this last 12 months has been a total enigma: what the hell was going on there?!
Happy Gilmore's Groin made contact with Richard Dunne's and they had little baby groins. He's been busy rearing them.
-
He was missed last season. 69 league goals conceded proves that.
I'm not sure that proves it at all. An in-form Dunne was missed, but a half-arsed one we saw later on in his career (excluding last season - that'd be harsh) was a liability.
-
Dunne's Villa career: Good first season albeit giving away goal in most important game of the season. Two seasons of in and out performances punctuated by bouts of unprofessional behaviour then one season where he completely disappeared. He won't be missed.
He was missed last season. 69 league goals conceded proves that.
We were hardly watertight the previous 2 seasons he was in the side. Something like 55 and 59 conceded, better than 69 yes, but still nothing to write home about. He was also part of the defence that conceded 6 at Newcastle and 7 at Chavski. And that was when he was younger and fitter.
-
So dunne its confirmed you're leaving us. I can only imagine this year has been really difficult to deal with personally for him. The frustration in staying fit and the years of battle have taken its toll. I wish him all the best and fair play for the effort put in over the seasons he's had. Offered vital experience and leadership at times so acknowledge that! The changes experienced within the club difficult for all. I hope he can stay fit and have a world cup at the end of season. Thanks dunne goodbye and good luck
-
So dunne its confirmed you're leaving us. I can only imagine this year has been really difficult to deal with personally for him. The frustration in staying fit and the years of battle have taken its toll. I wish him all the best and fair play for the effort put in over the seasons he's had. Offered vital experience and leadership at times so acknowledge that! The changes experienced within the club difficult for all. I hope he can stay fit and have a world cup at the end of season. Thanks dunne goodbye and good luck
It must have been a bollocks not having to work for your £60k a week.
-
So dunne its confirmed you're leaving us. I can only imagine this year has been really difficult to deal with personally for him. The frustration in staying fit and the years of battle have taken its toll. I wish him all the best and fair play for the effort put in over the seasons he's had. Offered vital experience and leadership at times so acknowledge that! The changes experienced within the club difficult for all. I hope he can stay fit and have a world cup at the end of season. Thanks dunne goodbye and good luck
Very charitable.
-
We don't know what was going on behind the scenes and I think there's something very telling about a player having to go for surgery so many times in a year. If people want to believe he was taking the piss that's their choice but I'm standing by my original claim that Dunne has been the 'villain' of the squad for a long time.
When we bought him he was a top Premier League defender playing for Moneybags FC. Back then, such players came with such wages. What would any of you done differently if you spend your last season injured? Volunteered half your salary? I can understand Dunne not being everybody's favourite. What I have found harder to understand is the hatred for him. It's not as though many of our squad from 2009/10 covered themselves in glory under GH or TSM yet Dunne has been the focus of the anger.
-
We don't know what was going on behind the scenes and I think there's something very telling about a player having to go for surgery so many times in a year. If people want to believe he was taking the piss that's their choice but I'm standing by my original claim that Dunne has been the 'villain' of the squad for a long time.
When we bought him he was a top Premier League defender playing for Moneybags FC. Back then, such players came with such wages. What would any of you done differently if you spend your last season injured? Volunteered half your salary? I can understand Dunne not being everybody's favourite. What I have found harder to understand is the hatred for him. It's not as though many of our squad from 2009/10 covered themselves in glory under GH or TSM yet Dunne has been the focus of the anger.
It's not hatred, it's just that I can spot a pisstaker a mile off.
-
We don't know what was going on behind the scenes and I think there's something very telling about a player having to go for surgery so many times in a year. If people want to believe he was taking the piss that's their choice but I'm standing by my original claim that Dunne has been the 'villain' of the squad for a long time.
When we bought him he was a top Premier League defender playing for Moneybags FC. Back then, such players came with such wages. What would any of you done differently if you spend your last season injured? Volunteered half your salary? I can understand Dunne not being everybody's favourite. What I have found harder to understand is the hatred for him. It's not as though many of our squad from 2009/10 covered themselves in glory under GH or TSM yet Dunne has been the focus of the anger.
As you say we don't know what went on behind the scenes so this may be incredibly harsh on him but when someone completely disappears for an entire season without an adequate explanation for the severity of injury then I begin to think there is something wrong beyond said player just being unlucky. I don't hate him, I'm just suspicious of his actions, or lack of them, for the last year (at least) and don't think he particularly merits being defended.
-
My take on the Richard Dunne thing is very simplistic and has been mentioned before, he, along with Stephen Ireland didn't want to be here; but other clubs were'nt actually falling over themselves to sign them were they? The lesser of the two evils was a well paid long term contract with us as opposed to bench warming at Citeh, no difference as far as Ireland is concerned.
I was never a big fan of Dunne even less so of Ireland; but I'm not entirely satisfied that Dunne was as consistently bad as some on here make out.
Notwithstanding the above I am not a regular attender at VP so am not seeing what the regulars are, these are just my observations.
-
My take on the Richard Dunne thing is very simplistic and has been mentioned before, he, along with Stephen Ireland didn't want to be here; but other clubs were'nt actually falling over themselves to sign them were they? The lesser of the two evils was a well paid long term contract with us as opposed to bench warming at Citeh, no difference as far as Ireland is concerned.
I was never a big fan of Dunne even less so of Ireland; but I'm not entirely satisfied that Dunne was as consistently bad as some on here make out.
Notwithstanding the above I am not a regular attender at VP so am not seeing what the regulars are, these are just my observations.
For me, Dunne lost interest in playing for us when O'Neill walked out. Although he was prone to the odd error under O'Neill, his performances were pretty decent on the whole. As soon as O'Neill went he just seemed to lose interest, with the 6-0 debacle at Newcastle being a sign of things to come.
-
All things considered, he's been a decent signing for us.
I found last season very strange, however. Something clearly not right, and my feeling that there was something else besides a short to mid term injury that then became a season-long problem has intensified as he was then, within a couple of weeks of the season ending, fit enough not only to be named in the Ireland squad but also to play in recent friendlies.
Still, he's gone now and we move on.
-
When Mr Dunne played against Citeh here at Villa Park he was treated with god like status by the travelling citeh fans.
I somehow dont see that happening if he were to come back to Villa Park in another teams colours to play against us!!
-
When Mr Dunne played against Citeh here at Villa Park he was treated with god like status by the travelling citeh fans.
I somehow dont see that happening if he were to come back to Villa Park in another teams colours to play against us!!
I would be hard pushed to think of many players who have been well received on their return to VP. Dwight Yorke was given dogs abuse when he came on a few years ago for Sunderland. I wonder if Ireland will ever leave to come back to us...........As for Dunne coming back he may get a break with Hull or SUnderland. Cant see him making much further up the table. Overall I think he did a job for us under O'Neill. Had a few decisively good games for us last season. WBA springs to mind. The revolving doors of GH and TSM left very few players in a good light. Obviously his "spa day" was a low point.
The recent inclusion iin the Irish Team is fairly bizarre after being out for a season. I am not sure what sort of a "shop window" a cameo appearance against the Faeroes will be for a central defender. I reckon I could put in a shift against them.
Maybe he could have come back fro us april/may time but Lambert figured that the defence were finally finding their feet and was proved right if that was his decision. Anyway he has gone. Good luck to him
-
We don't know what went on during the season, no, but the last three years, first game of the season, it has been pretty clear what was going on during the close-season.
-
He made 114 appearances and cost £6m, I consider that to be bad business on the whole.
-
With the caveat that at the time he came to Villa, Lescott was sold to Citeh for £24m, and Lescott was not worth 4 Richard Dunne's.
-
We don't know what was going on behind the scenes and I think there's something very telling about a player having to go for surgery so many times in a year. If people want to believe he was taking the piss that's their choice but I'm standing by my original claim that Dunne has been the 'villain' of the squad for a long time.
When we bought him he was a top Premier League defender playing for Moneybags FC. Back then, such players came with such wages. What would any of you done differently if you spend your last season injured? Volunteered half your salary? I can understand Dunne not being everybody's favourite. What I have found harder to understand is the hatred for him. It's not as though many of our squad from 2009/10 covered themselves in glory under GH or TSM yet Dunne has been the focus of the anger.
It just seems very coincidental that he gets to the end of the P'ship season and is suddenly available for the RoI squad.
Rumours abound about players with 'mystery' illnesses / injuries (Dalian Atkinson, Wilshere are two examples that spring to mind), and the reason that eventually outs is often something other than an illness or injury ...
... just sayin', like.
-
I don't give a flying toss about Dunne anymore, he's gone and wont be coming back
'we go again' is the Villa mantra, and we are going without Dunne, so who he plays for now I don't give a shit,
a couple or three more to clear out and Lambert will have swept the deck clean of big earn little play type toss baskets
-
I don't give a flying toss about Dunne anymore, he's gone and wont be coming back
'we go again' is the Villa mantra, and we are going without Dunne, so who he plays for now I don't give a shit,
a couple or three more to clear out and Lambert will have swept the deck clean of big earn little play type toss baskets
This.
-
I think his card was marked when he came back from the off season carrying all that excess timber
-
Well I'm glad he's gone. Wished he'd gone a year or two sooner and we got a decent replacement then. Revisionism aside we got a good season out of him. Thereafter he was crap. Thanks for 2009/10 Richard. Good luck with the future. That's the nicest I can be about him.
I really doubt there's anything sinister behind his lack of appearances last season. He's not getting any younger (as his form in the two previous seasons told us) and I suspect a niggling injury could have kept him out. Considering the caliber of the Irish national side I think a fully fit Richard Dunne would be starting games so I think there's still problems for him there.
-
I don't give a flying toss about Dunne anymore, he's gone and wont be coming back
'we go again' is the Villa mantra, and we are going without Dunne, so who he plays for now I don't give a shit,
a couple or three more to clear out and Lambert will have swept the deck clean of big earn little play type toss baskets
It will be on our club badge soon!!
-
I don't give a flying toss about Dunne anymore, he's gone and wont be coming back
'we go again' is the Villa mantra, and we are going without Dunne, so who he plays for now I don't give a shit,
a couple or three more to clear out and Lambert will have swept the deck clean of big earn little play type toss baskets
I endorse this message