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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on August 22, 2012, 10:45:38 AM
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Link (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8009070/McLeish-No-regrets)
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Somebody's looking for a new job.
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'McLeish:No Regrets' - a phrase I'm sure no Villa fan could ever use. Obviously hawking himself around for a new job
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As a man I can't fault him. I just don't think he's a very good football manager.
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Agreed, he's always carried himself with more dignity than most managers. I like him as a bloke, just not as a Manager.
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Not his fault really. He's just a poor manager. He was in way over head. Randy made the decision to hire a manager with two relegations under his CV. He's championship at best. I blame Randy on that front. We all knew what was coming. It wasn't a surprise to any of us we struggled so much and played dire football.
Add to the fact, as Eck ways, he lost experienced players and lost Stan and Bent in the tail end of the season. So what you're left with is a poor manager with one hand tied behind his back. That we didn't get relegated was pure luck.
Good luck to him. He's had his time in the top flight.
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Of course, the great irony is that if Bent hadn't got injured we'd have very likely won two or three more games, finished 12th/13th and he'd have kept his job.
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Even with Bent in the team we looked dismal as an attacking unit, so I wouldn't have banked on us winning more games.
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Agreed, he's always carried himself with more dignity than most managers. I like him as a bloke, just not as our Manager.
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He makes some decent points in that about the strength of the squad and seems quite respectful to us, so fair play on that. But he once again comes out with the 'I played 4 attackers' line, which is missing the point that the tactics were such that none of them had either the licence or support to actually attack the opposition.
But as others have said, decent bloke who was on a hiding to nothing, so best of luck to him in his next job.
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He's a good guy, it just didn't happen for him at Villa. Negative tactics that the players didn't buy into and injuries cost him. Should never have been put in that position,
he wasn't ready or able to manage our club.
Randy or whoever advised Randy has to take the blame there. He'll be back and will do well at some stage.
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See the problem is there's still no admitting to his faults and he still plays the 'it was hard because of where I came from' card too much. I understand he won't come out and say it was all his fault because that screws his chances of another job but the wording of that article makes him out to be far to much of a victim of events rather than a key element in them.
Teaching the team to defend corners and free kicks was totally within his remit but he failed massively on it. In tandem teaching the team to score from corners and free kicks was also something he should've been able to work on. Just getting those 2 right would've seen us comofrtably clear of relegation and probably would've earned him the summer to make the squad changes he wanted to.
I just get the feeling that he never worked out what he wanted to do on the training field, with most managers, even if things are going badly, you can see what they want to achieve, last season it was impossible to pin down any area where we improved thanks to training, we weren't solid defensively, we weren't potent in attack, we didn't play for set pieces, we didn't counter-attack, we weren't even particularly fit.
Final whinge, he yet again uses the excuse "I always played 4 attacking players" as if by picking a couple of strikers and wingers you're showing the intent to attack, it's this lack of understanding that picking the players is only a small part of the process that worried me at the time and he hasn't learned any better from being sacked.
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Even with Bent in the team we looked dismal as an attacking unit, so I wouldn't have banked on us winning more games.
We were comfortably mid table until the last third of the season so I don't think Dave is saying anything controversial.
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He wasn't good enough.
He also did the absolute worst thing he could have done - fall back on the same, dreadfully unambitious nonsense he used at Blues.
Deserved the sack, got the sack.
I still can't believe our leaders actually thought it'd be a good idea to appoint him.
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I also liked him as a bloke, but he was just a crap manager and should never have been here in the first place.
Couple of things in that article that grate a bit - Sky still can't get past the fact that for most people he was not "met with a frosty reception due to his connections with fierce rivals Birmingham City" - he was met with a frosty reception because of his brand of football with a history of relegation. And averaging a point and a goal a game, coupled with the worst home record in our entire history vindicated that perception. Also McLeish states he played every game with 4 attacking players. I was obviously watching a different team to the one he sent out
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Having players on the pitch who are "attacking" by nature means sod all if you send them out to be defensive, or, when losing, to keep the score down.
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He has made the claim about playing with four attacking players before. He might have payed four players who were considered forwards - but he played them three miles behind the front man.
The comment smacks of laying blame on the players, once again. Something a lot of people found 'un-managerial'.
No, I hated his football and I for one do not consider him a nice bloke. If he can't accept, with his record, that he is a negative manager there is a big problem. Who will employ him after what he has done to us and them?
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I also liked him as a bloke, but he was just a crap manager and should never have been here in the first place.
Couple of things in that article that grate a bit - Sky still can't get past the fact that for most people he was not "met with a frosty reception due to his connections with fierce rivals Birmingham City" - he was met with a frosty reception because of his brand of football with a history of relegation. And averaging a point and a goal a game, coupled with the worst home record in our entire history vindicated that perception. Also McLeish states he played every game with 4 attacking players. I was obviously watching a different team to the one he sent out
He says it himself:
"I definitely needed a break as there is no getting away from it - things were tough at Villa. It was a draining year as there was no real respite as a faction of fans were against me from day one."
Which there were of course, but the majority just thought he was a shit manager, who played shit football, which turned out to be the case. He's as deluded now as when he came out with that nonsense about "always played good football and Villa fans not letting the facts get in the way of a good story". Useless twat.
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Thing is he is hawking around for a job and this piece is almost written to help him do that. So it's not going to mention his faults but will dwell on his excuses (some of which are legitimate, such as loss of key players and injuries). Good luck to him for his next job and I hope he's learned from his experiences.
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Nice bloke (if not a little dillusional) but shit awful manager
Nothing else to say
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Having players on the pitch who are "attacking" by nature means sod all if you send them out to be defensive, or, when losing, to keep the score down.
I don't think he even started with 4 players who were attacking by nature, Paulie. Remember Spurs away (*shudder*). And IIRC the last few games of the season I'm sure he started with 7 out and out defenders - Hutton (or Collins), Warnock, Clark, Dunne, Cuellar, Lichaj and Herd. The fact that he played some of them in midfield doesn't make them attacking players, in the same way, as you say, attacking players ended up being negative anyway. He seems to come from the same delusional standpopint as DOL.
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I don't think he even started with 4 players who were attacking by nature
No, I'm sure he did. I can't remember which games they were but I'm sure he started with a couple that had Bent, Gabby/Heskey, N'Zog and Albrighton in the starting lineup. But as has been said if you don't know how to use them it won't make much difference.
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He didn't take any responsibility for anything IMO.
Look at Spurs away? He got it wrong, but wouldn't admit it.
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Having players on the pitch who are "attacking" by nature means sod all if you send them out to be defensive, or, when losing, to keep the score down.
I don't think he even started with 4 players who were attacking by nature, Paulie. Remember Spurs away (*shudder*). And IIRC the last few games of the season I'm sure he started with 7 out and out defenders - Hutton (or Collins), Warnock, Clark, Dunne, Cuellar, Lichaj and Herd. The fact that he played some of them in midfield doesn't make them attacking players, in the same way, as you say, attacking players ended up being negative anyway. He seems to come from the same delusional standpopint as DOL.
At the end of the season it was ridiculous, but for the middle part of the season there was certainly no shortage of attacking players on the pitch - we went through a run of games playing all of Bent, Gabby, Heskey and N'Zogbia, some of which had Petrov and Delph as a midfield two (neither of whom are exactly Nigel de Jong).
The attacking players were there, it's just that they were used astonishingly badly as Paulie says.
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Dear Mr McLeish, we have many regrets, far too numerous to mention.
Signed, Aston Villa supporters
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Decent guy , shit manager
Bit like Alan Ball
Wish him well far away from AVFC!
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He's an utterly incompetent and shit Manager and like all incompetent and shit Managers, he has excuses a-plenty.
An honest appraisal of
'I just wasn't up to the job of managing a club the size of Villa.'
Would give me more respect for him.
Yes there were problems, but the squad he had should not have been battling relegation, the fact that it did was largely due to his dreadfully defensive brand of football that would have sent a glass eye to sleep.
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The fact that we're still stuck with the appalling Hutton and the useless N'Zogbia and are probably nearly £20m lighter as a result is another reason to give him stick.
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Even with Bent in the team we looked dismal as an attacking unit, so I wouldn't have banked on us winning more games.
We were comfortably mid table until the last third of the season so I don't think Dave is saying anything controversial.
We only won 6 out of our first 25 games, mostly with Bent in the team. That's one win every 6 and a bit games. We managed only 1 win in our last 13. If Bent had been fit, applying the early season ratio, we'd have had maybe 1 more win. Two additional wins instead of draws would not have been enough to see us finish any higher than we did in 16th. Two additional wins instead of defeats would have seen us finish 1 place higher in 15th. Coupled with the dire football I doubt that would have been enough to save McLeish's job. The fact is his negative tactics meant wins were as rare as rocking horse shit even with one of the most prolific PL strikers in the side.
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Fuck him and the donkey he rode in on (Peter Grant)
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A decent man who was not a good manager for us, and who should never have been appointed in the first place. I don't blame him for accepting the job - any of us would have done so in the circumstances.
I wish him well and hope we can leave him be now.
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Why are people queuing up to declare that he's a decent bloke? He might well be, but who cares when it comes to winning football matches. I wouldn't call Ferguson or Wenger 'decent blokes' but I'd have them at Villa Park like a shot, given the chance.
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Why are people queuing up to declare that he's a decent bloke? He might well be, but who cares when it comes to winning football matches. I wouldn't call Ferguson or Wenger 'decent blokes' but I'd have them at Villa Park like a shot, given the chance.
Agree.
I couldn't give a fuck how nicey-nicey he is, he nearly sent us into the Championship.
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I just get the feeling that he never worked out what he wanted to do on the training field, with most managers, even if things are going badly, you can see what they want to achieve, last season it was impossible to pin down any area where we improved thanks to training, we weren't solid defensively, we weren't potent in attack, we didn't play for set pieces, we didn't counter-attack, we weren't even particularly fit.
I’ve been reading a book recently and it talks about what makes some people excel. The first factor is the “10,000 hour” theory and the second is about training.
To improve, training should always be practicing to the point of failure i.e. pushing yourself to your limit. For example Tiger Woods will stand on the balls in his bunker training to make the shot more difficult. When I imagine McLeish’s training I imagine the opposite. Flat back fours being instructed to “get rid” down the channels etc. I hope that the club gets a bit more imaginative from here, PL certainly seems to talk a good game so there is hope.
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As I said after he left I hold no bitterness towards him now. However he played appallingly defensive football and would never have succeeded regardless of the time he was afforded. Talk of Sigurdsson etc is all well and good, but I doubt he would have come to Villa and even if he had his attacking instincts would have been undermined. He's not a good manager, but probably a decent enough bloke. Fortunately for him and Villa he's no longer involved with the club.
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Quote from: Rissbert on Today at 12:53:01 PM
Why are people queuing up to declare that he's a decent bloke? He might well be, but who cares when it comes to winning football matches. I wouldn't call Ferguson or Wenger 'decent blokes' but I'd have them at Villa Park like a shot, given the chance.
Agree.
I couldn't give a fuck how nicey-nicey he is, he nearly sent us into the Championship.
Useless fucker couldn't even do that right.
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The fact that we're still stuck with the appalling Hutton and the useless N'Zogbia and are probably nearly £20m lighter as a result is another reason to give him stick.
We signed N'zogbia when he was possibly the best winger in the league the season before, he can't really be criticised for that. No excuses with Hutton though.
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The fact that we're still stuck with the appalling Hutton and the useless N'Zogbia and are probably nearly £20m lighter as a result is another reason to give him stick.
We signed N'zogbia when he was possibly the best winger in the league the season before, he can't really be criticised for that. No excuses with Hutton though.
You could argue that just about every Villa manager has signed players that turned out to be a waste of money. McLeish is hardly unique in that department.
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The fact that we're still stuck with the appalling Hutton and the useless N'Zogbia and are probably nearly £20m lighter as a result is another reason to give him stick.
We signed N'zogbia when he was possibly the best winger in the league the season before, he can't really be criticised for that. No excuses with Hutton though.
You could argue that just about every Villa manager has signed players that turned out to be a waste of money. McLeish is hardly unique in that department.
True, but then most other managers had at least one thing they could be proud of in their Villa career. The only half decent signing McLeish made, was Given on an absurdly long contract. Plus, Given's only really a slightly younger and not as good replacement for Friedel. And N'Zogbia wasn't the best winger in the league in response to the poster above, he was the one who had a few good games towards the arse end of the season. Hutton is easily one of our worst signings ever, and getting Jenas on loan was just unbelievably stupid.
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Also true, still a chance Holman will be his. And most Villa managers had more than 1 season, which increases their chances of making a signing that really makes his mark.
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He should count himself lucky he's not the current manager given that the squad's even thinner, quality-wise, than last season.
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An utter shit bag of a manager who will and SHOULD find it difficult to find another job in the top flight.He has wasted in the excess of £13m+ on 3 shite signings - NZogbia, Hutton and Jenas when he could of used that more wisely.
His tactics, if thats what you call them, were absurd and he never once stood up and accepted responsibility for his actions i.e. Spurs away. What the hell was he thinking???
You cant really blame him for coming to us though as like he said, we are a big club and a far better prospect than the shite from small heath. The blame lies with Randy and Paul Faulkner for hiring him and then not giving him some serious backing in the market knowing that it was a controversial appointment so he needed to hit the ground running.
He may well be a nice bloke but im glad he has gone and taken alot of the negativity with him.
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Fuck him and the donkey he rode in on (Peter Grant)
Very good
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Even with Bent in the team we looked dismal as an attacking unit, so I wouldn't have banked on us winning more games.
Even with Bent in the team we looked dismal as an attacking unit, so I wouldn't have banked on us winning more games.
The difference on Saturday from last season was what exactly?
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Having players on the pitch who are "attacking" by nature means sod all if you send them out to be defensive, or, when losing, to keep the score down.
'Keeping the score down' was our trump card in staying up last season. Because we kept the score down, our goal difference wasn't as bad as those around us.
Saying that, we should never, ever, have been down there to begin with.
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Having players on the pitch who are "attacking" by nature means sod all if you send them out to be defensive, or, when losing, to keep the score down.
'Keeping the score down' was our trump card in staying up last season. Because we kept the score down, our goal difference wasn't as bad as those around us.
Saying that, we should never, ever, have been down there to begin with.
I'm utterly convinced that was actually because teams took the foot off the gas as soon as they took the lead against us because they knew the points were in the bag. Far too many times last season our matches looked like a training session for the other team, that was the worst thing about it.
Oh and bobo, if you can't see anything different from saturday to last season then we can't help you. Yes we weren't great at the weekend but we never looked anything like as poor as we did in some of the games last year (can anyone raise me on the tottenham game with heskey and hutton in midfield as the worst they've ever seen from a villa side? - we've been battered in games before but I've never seen us look so gutless, any respect I had for McLeish left that day)
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You would have to be wall-gnawingly mental to employ him as a football manager now. It was a bad enough decision for us to offer him the job last season in the first place, and I can't see a queue of suitors for him after the abysmal cack that he inflicted upon everyone who was unfortunate enough to watch one of our games.
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Wrong person, wrong place, wrong time. I do actually wish him well for his future well away from us.
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Wrong person, wrong place, wrong time. I do actually wish him well for his future well away from us.
i'd go along with all that
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Even with Bent in the team we looked dismal as an attacking unit, so I wouldn't have banked on us winning more games.
Even with Bent in the team we looked dismal as an attacking unit, so I wouldn't have banked on us winning more games.
The difference on Saturday from last season was what exactly?
The fact that we registered more than 60% possession for what must be the first time in about six years and that we actively looked to pass it to the nearest player rather than slog it to the opposite corner of the pitch.
The incisiveness will come in time, but asking the difference between Saturday's performance and a typical McLeish performance is a bit daft.
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Je nae regrette rien.
Does this mean that he still thinks that playing Hutton and Heskey on the wing was a good idea?
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A negative manager who always has been and always will be.
I don't really buy into this nice guy philosophy, he came out in interviews after games and treated us Villa fans as absolute mugs with his ridiculous comments. A nice guy would have quit when he realised he was way in above his head and no one wanted him as manager.
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Perhaps we should see how this season pans out before condemning McLeish's contribution to our club? Judging from our attacking potency on saturday we may view McLeish in a different light if Lambert, hampered by the same financial restrictions, fails to keep us in the Premier League.
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McLeish v Lambert:
McLeish P1 W0 D1 L0 F0 A0 GD 0 PTS 1
Lambert P1 W0 D0 L1 F0 A1 GD-1 PTS 0
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Bit when he said our fanbase always demands top 4 or top 6.
Not really, last season I'd have been happy finishing mid table playing good attacking football, same as this season. You failed miserably by not even trying to do that last season McLeish.
Also Sigurdson, yeah right. Why didn't we try to get him on loan then in that January when he went to Swansea. Does McLeish really think he'd have chosen us over Liverpool or Spurs?!
I'm just glad this bloke is a forgettable footnote in our history. Onwards and upwards.
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Agreed, he's always carried himself with more dignity than most managers. I like him as a bloke, just not as a Manager.
Agreed too,
Met him while on holiday in Italy when he managed the Blues, no celeb private stuff, mixed with the normal folk.
Had his photo taken with my lads, all in Villa tops.
Top bloke, in my opinion.
Come to Villa at the wrong time, he was never going to win some supporters over.
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Agreed, he's always carried himself with more dignity than most managers. I like him as a bloke, just not as a Manager.
Agreed too,
Met him while on holiday in Italy when he managed the Blues, no celeb private stuff, mixed with the normal folk.
Had his photo taken with my lads, all in Villa tops.
Top bloke, in my opinion.
Come to Villa at the wrong time, he was never going to win some supporters over.
When exactly would have been the right time time for his brand of football?
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Even with Bent in the team we looked dismal as an attacking unit, so I wouldn't have banked on us winning more games.
Even with Bent in the team we looked dismal as an attacking unit, so I wouldn't have banked on us winning more games.
The difference on Saturday from last season was what exactly?
The fact that we registered more than 60% possession for what must be the first time in about six years and that we actively looked to pass it to the nearest player rather than slog it to the opposite corner of the pitch.
The incisiveness will come in time, but asking the difference between Saturday's performance and a typical McLeish performance is a bit daft.
We had 60% possession for the first 20 minutes. The game went on for another 70 minutes after that in which time we were restricted to a speculative 30 yard effort from our CB.
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I'll bet he has "no regrets", as he rides of into the sunset with probably the best part of £5m.
Fucking chancer.
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Agreed, he's always carried himself with more dignity than most managers. I like him as a bloke, just not as a Manager.
Agreed too,
Met him while on holiday in Italy when he managed the Blues, no celeb private stuff, mixed with the normal folk.
Had his photo taken with my lads, all in Villa tops.
Top bloke, in my opinion.
Come to Villa at the wrong time, he was never going to win some supporters over.
Honestly, what nonsense.
He had plenty of chances to win the vast majority of supporters over - the sensible majority of us were willing to give him a chance when he got the job. No, we didn't want him - did anyone? But once he'd got it, he got a fair crack of the whip. He didn't even get any significant stick from the crowd till the latter stages of the season - Houllier got it much, much earlier.
I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, and it's good that he was so nice with your kids, but honestly, the only person he needs to look at to blame is himself.
In the 35 odd years I've been going, I can remember more really shit Villa sides than I'd prefer to, but I can't ever remember a season so depressing as last season, or a season in which I actually felt embarassed of my club like I did last season.
All McLeish had to do was to not fall back on the mindwarpingly defensive nonsense he played at Blues, and that's exactly what he did here. This is the man who delivered seven wins all season, four home wins, the fewest since 1888, and the lowest win percentage of any Villa manager ever.
The only surprising or disappointing thing about McLeish is that he managed to linger on the entire season, thus maximising the damage done to the club by our clueless leaders when they appointed him.
As for "wrong time", sorry, but as far as I'm concerned there's never a "right" time at my club for a manager who punches the air after leading Stoke at home till 80 odd mins, only to get a draw.
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Agreed, he's always carried himself with more dignity than most managers. I like him as a bloke, just not as a Manager.
Agreed too,
Met him while on holiday in Italy when he managed the Blues, no celeb private stuff, mixed with the normal folk.
Had his photo taken with my lads, all in Villa tops.
Top bloke, in my opinion.
Come to Villa at the wrong time, he was never going to win some supporters over.
When exactly would have been the right time time for his brand of football?
He shouldn't have come from Blues. I think both he and Randy misjudged the supporters feeling.
He came at a time when we were selling our best players and others too.
Yes, I agree, the football was poor, but, the players have to shoulder as much of the blame as McLeish
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Which Villa players were responsible for the four years of horrible nonsense he'd played at Blues?
Or for his relegations?
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Agreed, he's always carried himself with more dignity than most managers. I like him as a bloke, just not as a Manager.
Agreed too,
Met him while on holiday in Italy when he managed the Blues, no celeb private stuff, mixed with the normal folk.
Had his photo taken with my lads, all in Villa tops.
Top bloke, in my opinion.
Come to Villa at the wrong time, he was never going to win some supporters over.
When exactly would have been the right time time for his brand of football?
He shouldn't have come from Blues. I think both he and Randy misjudged the supporters feeling.
He came at a time when we were selling our best players and others too.
Yes, I agree, the football was poor, but, the players have to shoulder as much of the blame as McLeish
Is it the soldiers fault when the general fucks up and gets them killed?
The 20th best paid manager in World Football came up with that team at White Hart Lane last season.
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Agreed, he's always carried himself with more dignity than most managers. I like him as a bloke, just not as a Manager.
Agreed too,
Met him while on holiday in Italy when he managed the Blues, no celeb private stuff, mixed with the normal folk.
Had his photo taken with my lads, all in Villa tops.
Top bloke, in my opinion.
Come to Villa at the wrong time, he was never going to win some supporters over.
When exactly would have been the right time time for his brand of football?
He shouldn't have come from Blues. I think both he and Randy misjudged the supporters feeling.
He came at a time when we were selling our best players and others too.
Yes, I agree, the football was poor, but, the players have to shoulder as much of the blame as McLeish
I can just about put up with the ignorant media going on his failure being linked to his previous employer. It had nothing to do with that. If he tried to play football, and treated the fans with respect which he didn't given the bollocks he had the lads serve up, then he'd have been fine. We all thought he had changed after Arsenal and against Chelsea. But he continuously let is down. By the end time saved us because we had bought a one way ticket to the Championship. His time as manager in the end had sucked the life out of the club and fans, and the only person that couldn't see it was him.
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Nice bloke, crap Villa manager. Glad he's gone, wish him all the best.
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Nice bloke. Decent fella, one of the very best, I'd trust him with my life. Super chap, he really is. Salt of the earth McLeish, an absolute diamond geezer, and an all round smashing person.
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Might have been a nice guy in person, but he was a professional coward incapable of taking responsibility for even the smallest failing. Even now he whinges about the 'inexperience' of the squad - despite the fact that the youngsters out-performed the majority senior players for almost the whole season. That constant bemoaning of injuries to the seniors, coupled with instantly dropping performing juniors for lazy, jobsworth, undeserving seniors - not to mention always mouthing off to the press about how bad the youngsters were (essentially, that's what he was saying) - goes down as the most pathetic example of sacrificing man-management, sacrificing the needs of the team for the sake of saving his own face and making himself look better.
I've never met him, but if he's anywhere near as wheedling and self-preservationist as he is in his job then I can't imagine him having many friends.
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Why shouldn't the bloke stick up for himself? I'm sure we'd all do the same in the face of criticism. Until the injuries really hit we were comfortably mid table so the stuff about the kids outperforming the youngsters isn't backed up by results.
He was the wrong appointment and the football was mostly horrible but I don't see why people have to manipulate the facts.
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Might have been a nice guy in person, but he was a professional coward incapable of taking responsibility for even the smallest failing. Even now he whinges about the 'inexperience' of the squad - despite the fact that the youngsters out-performed the majority senior players for almost the whole season. That constant bemoaning of injuries to the seniors, coupled with instantly dropping performing juniors for lazy, jobsworth, undeserving seniors - not to mention always mouthing off to the press about how bad the youngsters were (essentially, that's what he was saying) - goes down as the most pathetic example of sacrificing man-management, sacrificing the needs of the team for the sake of saving his own face and making himself look better.
I've never met him, but if he's anywhere near as wheedling and self-preservationist as he is in his job then I can't imagine him having many friends.
Spot on sir.
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Why shouldn't the bloke stick up for himself? I'm sure we'd all do the same in the face of criticism. Until the injuries really hit we were comfortably mid table so the stuff about the kids outperforming the youngsters isn't backed up by results.
He was the wrong appointment and the football was mostly horrible but I don't see why people have to manipulate the facts.
There's sticking up for himself and there's running down your own players to do so. It was troubling to watch.
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Just out of curiosity, what was his brand of football like with Rangers?
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Why shouldn't the bloke stick up for himself? I'm sure we'd all do the same in the face of criticism. Until the injuries really hit we were comfortably mid table so the stuff about the kids outperforming the youngsters isn't backed up by results.
He was the wrong appointment and the football was mostly horrible but I don't see why people have to manipulate the facts.
Rubbish Chris. Bent was obviously a big loss, but it was senior players like Hutton, Agbonlahor, Warnock and Collins etc who were amongst our worst performers last season. After Bent's injury, Weimann outscored Gabby in any case, and players like Herd contributed far more to the cause than the likes of Warnock.
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Why shouldn't the bloke stick up for himself? I'm sure we'd all do the same in the face of criticism. Until the injuries really hit we were comfortably mid table so the stuff about the kids outperforming the youngsters isn't backed up by results.
He was the wrong appointment and the football was mostly horrible but I don't see why people have to manipulate the facts.
What's he "sticking up for himself" for anyway?
I haven't heard anyone from the club slagging him, and he's hardly got the world's press on his back as they don't give a fuck about us.
He's the one touting for work through the press, giving his inexplicable performance with us some teflon sheen so some other mug will pay him vast sums for a job he can't do.
He's a wanker, David O'Leary with a little more charm but less talent.
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Thanks Alex, but the regrets are all ours.
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Thanks Alex, but the regrets are all ours.
Very good ;D
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Why shouldn't the bloke stick up for himself? I'm sure we'd all do the same in the face of criticism. Until the injuries really hit we were comfortably mid table so the stuff about the kids outperforming the youngsters isn't backed up by results.
He was the wrong appointment and the football was mostly horrible but I don't see why people have to manipulate the facts.
Rubbish Chris. Bent was obviously a big loss, but it was senior players like Hutton, Agbonlahor, Warnock and Collins etc who were amongst our worst performers last season. After Bent's injury, Weimann outscored Gabby in any case, and players like Herd contributed far more to the cause than the likes of Warnock.
It's only rubbish if you ignore the facts.
We spent most of the season around mid table, over the last 2-3 months we suffered a bad run of injuries and were forced into playing an inexperienced and disjointed side, performances dipped accordingly and we dropped down the league. Of course certain individuals might have done OK in that time but results don't lie, they were better when we had our more experienced players available.
I'm not trying to stick up for the bloke, I'm glad he's gone, but injuries played a huge part as we didn't have the squad to cope with them. It's a lesson I hope we've learned for this season.
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We spent most of the season around mid table, over the last 2-3 months we suffered a bad run of injuries and were forced into playing an inexperienced and disjointed side, performances dipped accordingly and we dropped down the league.
This might be true but Villa's worse, most gutless performances, the ones which made you ashamed to support the club (Spurs away, Man Utd, Liverpool, Man City at home, Arsenal away) were before the worst of the injuries struck. As has been mentioned earlier the only reason we didn't get worse beatings in these games was because once a lead was established the other teams were treating the games more like training sessions, such was the lack of threat from Villa.
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Why shouldn't the bloke stick up for himself? I'm sure we'd all do the same in the face of criticism. Until the injuries really hit we were comfortably mid table so the stuff about the kids outperforming the youngsters isn't backed up by results.
He was the wrong appointment and the football was mostly horrible but I don't see why people have to manipulate the facts.
What's he "sticking up for himself" for anyway?
I haven't heard anyone from the club slagging him, and he's hardly got the world's press on his back as they don't give a fuck about us.
He's the one touting for work through the press, giving his inexplicable performance with us some teflon sheen so some other mug will pay him vast sums for a job he can't do.
He's a wanker, David O'Leary with a little more charm but less talent.
Spot on Lee, as ever.
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Why shouldn't the bloke stick up for himself? I'm sure we'd all do the same in the face of criticism. Until the injuries really hit we were comfortably mid table so the stuff about the kids outperforming the youngsters isn't backed up by results.
He was the wrong appointment and the football was mostly horrible but I don't see why people have to manipulate the facts.
Rubbish Chris. Bent was obviously a big loss, but it was senior players like Hutton, Agbonlahor, Warnock and Collins etc who were amongst our worst performers last season. After Bent's injury, Weimann outscored Gabby in any case, and players like Herd contributed far more to the cause than the likes of Warnock.
It's only rubbish if you ignore the facts.
We spent most of the season around mid table, over the last 2-3 months we suffered a bad run of injuries and were forced into playing an inexperienced and disjointed side, performances dipped accordingly and we dropped down the league. Of course certain individuals might have done OK in that time but results don't lie, they were better when we had our more experienced players available.
I'm not trying to stick up for the bloke, I'm glad he's gone, but injuries played a huge part as we didn't have the squad to cope with them. It's a lesson I hope we've learned for this season.
I don't think anyone on here ever considered us 'comfortable' in mid-table. My feelings were that the we underpeformed in the early part of the season when we had the more experienced players available.
If he hadn't been happy to settle for the high % of home draws against beatable teams in the first half of the season he would have had sufficient good will in the bank to over come the problems in the last few games.
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Performances didn't dip towards the end of the season, they improved slightly if anything, Spurs away for example was before Christmas and worse than anything in the final couple of months.
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I thought we were inconsistent.
We would play Ok, then be toss.
Chelsea away, then swansea at home. etc
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Why shouldn't the bloke stick up for himself? I'm sure we'd all do the same in the face of criticism. Until the injuries really hit we were comfortably mid table so the stuff about the kids outperforming the youngsters isn't backed up by results.
He was the wrong appointment and the football was mostly horrible but I don't see why people have to manipulate the facts.
Rubbish Chris. Bent was obviously a big loss, but it was senior players like Hutton, Agbonlahor, Warnock and Collins etc who were amongst our worst performers last season. After Bent's injury, Weimann outscored Gabby in any case, and players like Herd contributed far more to the cause than the likes of Warnock.
It's only rubbish if you ignore the facts.
We spent most of the season around mid table, over the last 2-3 months we suffered a bad run of injuries and were forced into playing an inexperienced and disjointed side, performances dipped accordingly and we dropped down the league. Of course certain individuals might have done OK in that time but results don't lie, they were better when we had our more experienced players available.
I'm not trying to stick up for the bloke, I'm glad he's gone, but injuries played a huge part as we didn't have the squad to cope with them. It's a lesson I hope we've learned for this season.
I don't think anyone on here ever considered us 'comfortable' in mid-table. My feelings were that the we underpeformed in the early part of the season when we had the more experienced players available.
If he hadn't been happy to settle for the high % of home draws against beatable teams in the first half of the season he would have had sufficient good will in the bank to over come the problems in the last few games.
Some people on here certainly felt we were comfortable in mid-table back then, I recall a fairly lengthy debate about it. I took the opposite view, along with quite a few others, believing we were heading for trouble, because the signs were there if you considered the bigger picture. Signs such as: the difficulty of our run-in; the recent history of teams like Wigan and Wolves picking up wins in the final third of the season; the negativity of our tactics and tendency to surrender against any decent team; the track record of the manager regarding relegation and piss poor finishes to seasons; and, as Pestria points out, the fact that we had struggled to win games with a full strength squad against some dreadful opposition. Injuries or not, we would have struggled with McLeish's brand of anti-football.
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The problem was that, on our relatively long unbeaten run at the start of the season, when we had a relatively "easy" run of fixtures, we should have made hay whilst the sun was shining, and bagged a few more wins.
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Fucking hell Chris. You'll need to dig up Johnny Cochran for this one if you are planning on defending McLeish. Most rational people gave him every chance to succeed despite the circumstances of his appointment. He then set about proving every doubter right and blamed everyone but himself along the way. He was complete car accident and had he been afforded an extra two games it would have us playing Coventry or Barnsley and not Everton this weekend.
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Our home form just wasn't good enough.
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I just get the feeling he will end up at they sty again one day.
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I just get the feeling he will end up at they sty again one day.
They were made for each other.
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Why do some people get so wound up when other posters don't want Alex McLeish castrated? He just wasn't good enough, that's all. He never slagged the club, or the fans. He was just shit.
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I don't care which club he goes to as long as they have enough money to buy Hutton.
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Why do some people get so wound up when other posters don't want Alex McLeish castrated? He just wasn't good enough, that's all. He never slagged the club, or the fans. He was just shit.
no, not directly, you're right. But in the manner of what he produced and the excuses he came up with every week he royally took the piss for the money he was on. It was all very subtle wrapped up nicely in the guise of "nice bloke"
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Why do some people get so wound up when other posters don't want Alex McLeish castrated? He just wasn't good enough, that's all. He never slagged the club, or the fans. He was just shit.
Well, I thought that at first. But I lost a lot of respect for him as he went on and on blaming all others, including the players, for the failings. In public. That was appalling man-management, and terrible for results, so the only explanation is that he was saying it all to cover his own arse. The idea that a Villa manager would be so cowardly as to even undermine results to avoid taking responsibility for his failings was not endearing.
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Why do some people get so wound up when other posters don't want Alex McLeish castrated? He just wasn't good enough, that's all. He never slagged the club, or the fans. He was just shit.
Well, I thought that at first. But I lost a lot of respect for him as he went on and on blaming all others, including the players, for the failings. In public. That was appalling man-management, and terrible for results, so the only explanation is that he was saying it all to cover his own arse. The idea that a Villa manager would be so cowardly as to even undermine results to avoid taking responsibility for his failings was not endearing.
I agree. He may not have had an regrets about last season but I do - it was £500 of my hard earned cash down the pan with absolutely nothing to show for it. Not one half decent performance and a number of absolutely shameful ones. For him continue to blame everybody but himself is insulting and craven.
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Why do some people get so wound up when other posters don't want Alex McLeish castrated? He just wasn't good enough, that's all. He never slagged the club, or the fans. He was just shit.
Well, I thought that at first. But I lost a lot of respect for him as he went on and on blaming all others, including the players, for the failings. In public. That was appalling man-management, and terrible for results, so the only explanation is that he was saying it all to cover his own arse. The idea that a Villa manager would be so cowardly as to even undermine results to avoid taking responsibility for his failings was not endearing.
I agree. He may not have had an regrets about last season but I do - it was £500 of my hard earned cash down the pan with absolutely nothing to show for it. Not one half decent performance and a number of absolutely shameful ones. For him continue to blame everybody but himself is insulting and craven.
Craven. Nicely put.
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I get why folks are pissed off at the shite we watched last season and I was 'outraged of Bromsgrove' in many a post match thread. I just don't think he's bright enough to put on an act of being a nice guy to curry favour and I think the craven-ness is just his fairly low intellect on display. He was a disaster of an appointment though and yes, it would be refreshing to hear that now and again from people in the game but when it's your livelihood you're hardly likely to come a=out with that kind of thing. It appears that in this interview he has gone for the only option he has for an excuse (injuries) and I can't say he's totally wrong. Maybe 5% of the dross served up was a result of players missing or carrying knocks but the rest was that he just wasn't up to it. No mud-slinging though and he speaks highly f the club as he always did.
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Why do some people get so wound up when other posters don't want Alex McLeish castrated? He just wasn't good enough, that's all. He never slagged the club, or the fans. He was just shit.
Well, I thought that at first. But I lost a lot of respect for him as he went on and on blaming all others, including the players, for the failings. In public. That was appalling man-management, and terrible for results, so the only explanation is that he was saying it all to cover his own arse. The idea that a Villa manager would be so cowardly as to even undermine results to avoid taking responsibility for his failings was not endearing.
I agree. He may not have had an regrets about last season but I do - it was £500 of my hard earned cash down the pan with absolutely nothing to show for it. Not one half decent performance and a number of absolutely shameful ones. For him continue to blame everybody but himself is insulting and craven.
Craven. Nicely put.
Credit to Roget's Thesaurus!
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I get why folks are pissed off at the shite we watched last season and I was 'outraged of Bromsgrove' in many a post match thread. I just don't think he's bright enough to put on an act of being a nice guy to curry favour and I think the craven-ness is just his fairly low intellect on display. He was a disaster of an appointment though and yes, it would be refreshing to hear that now and again from people in the game but when it's your livelihood you're hardly likely to come a=out with that kind of thing. It appears that in this interview he has gone for the only option he has for an excuse (injuries) and I can't say he's totally wrong. Maybe 5% of the dross served up was a result of players missing or carrying knocks but the rest was that he just wasn't up to it. No mud-slinging though and he speaks highly f the club as he always did.
Did you miss the part where he mentioned the fans who were never going to give him a chance?
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Getting himself in the public eye I see, a pundit on ITV4's coverage of the Hearts v Liverpool game.
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Fucking hell Chris. You'll need to dig up Johnny Cochran for this one if you are planning on defending McLeish. Most rational people gave him every chance to succeed....
Problem is there are lot of irrational people posting on the internet
I'm not defending his record just objecting to the revisionism and character assassination that has been prevalent for the past few months.
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With the money he earnt as manager & the compensation pay-off he received. I'm not surprised he doesn't have any regrets.
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I get why folks are pissed off at the shite we watched last season and I was 'outraged of Bromsgrove' in many a post match thread. I just don't think he's bright enough to put on an act of being a nice guy to curry favour and I think the craven-ness is just his fairly low intellect on display. He was a disaster of an appointment though and yes, it would be refreshing to hear that now and again from people in the game but when it's your livelihood you're hardly likely to come a=out with that kind of thing. It appears that in this interview he has gone for the only option he has for an excuse (injuries) and I can't say he's totally wrong. Maybe 5% of the dross served up was a result of players missing or carrying knocks but the rest was that he just wasn't up to it. No mud-slinging though and he speaks highly f the club as he always did.
Did you miss the part where he mentioned the fans who were never going to give him a chance?
Are you saying there was joyous rapture when his appointment was announced? I remember lots of fans giving the guy a good go and slowly but surely having their collective will to care sapped as the season drew on. However, I also remember a significant proportion of our numbers moaning like fuck and a even having a half-arsed protest. I also recall sitting next to a group of blokes in the lower north who turned up for the first home game signing 'McLeish out' 'bluenose ******' style songs for the first 10 minutes of the game (only stopping to go and piss the 10 pints they'd drunk before the game). It was a mixed bag in truth.
He isn't lying when he said some fans were against him from the first moment he was appointed and he isn't lying when he said he had problems with injuries. What he fails to mention was EVERYTHING else he did wrong, either because he has amnesia, or he doesn't realise or he's toning it down so some mug chairman, probably in Scotland, gives him a job.
Now, can I please stop sticking up for the manager who served up the most depressing season I can remember? Thank you!
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I agree. He may not have had an regrets about last season but I do - it was £500 of my hard earned cash down the pan with absolutely nothing to show for it. Not one half decent performance and a number of absolutely shameful ones.
Actually that's not quite true. Blackburn, Norwich, Arsenal (though we lost) and QPR were all decent home performances.
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We wouldn't be playing Coventry instead of Everton this weekend if we'd been relegated. Unless the authorities decided to drop us two divisions because we were so fucking boring.
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Spoke to him for over an hour this morning . I 100 percent don't think he was right for Villa but as a person think he is decent bloke and will be a decent manager for another club . Glad he went YES but also think that he inherited probably the worst dressing room in living memory . Too many egos and far too many average players who have no affinity with our club !
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don't blame mcleish for taking the job, blame the idiots who offered it to him.
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I liked his excuse at West Brom about not being able to get out of his seat because he was blocked in, at least it was original, not like blaming injuries or partizan fans.
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never met him(unlike mysteryman) but he struck me as a decent bloke -until the pressure got to him here-then the self delusion took hold!
As a manager he was a disaster-a Clough/Leeds type appointment that shocked and bemused me at the time -I had written the rumours off as bullshit.
"no Villa chairman would be mad enough to hire the manager that just got blues relegated as our manager" thought I.
But I had not reckoned on our chairman being a div
my mistake
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Div. Good word. Don't see it enough on here.
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No one senior at the club has taken responsibility for the decision to appoint him, at a Network Villa thing today Faulkner was still saying it could have worked but for bad luck and injuries. I sometimes wonder if they realise how close they came to a catastrophic failure, which would have crippled the club at every level on and off the pitch. Even without relegation the effects of last season will take the club a couple of years to get over.
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Div. Good word. Don't see it enough on here.
yeah it is good!
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and its catching on!
see bosman thread
"I was only joking you div.
*wink*"
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and its catching on!
see bosman thread
"I was only joking you div.
*wink*"
ohh you word stealer percy ;)
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someone got "Craven" in earlier-i liked that as well!
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Why do some people get so wound up when other posters don't want Alex McLeish castrated? He just wasn't good enough, that's all. He never slagged the club, or the fans. He was just shit.
no, not directly, you're right. But in the manner of what he produced and the excuses he came up with every week he royally took the piss for the money he was on. It was all very subtle wrapped up nicely in the guise of "nice bloke"
It wasn't "all very subtle". It was just a poor manager trying to defend himself in public when things weren't going his way.
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Also - and I would love to be proven wrong on this this season, not least because I have an 8 year old son I'm desperately trying to convince to be a Villa fan despite living over 100 miles from the ground - our squad is one of the worst in the division and about as bad as I can remember since 1987/8. Somewhat McLeish's fault but not totally.
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No one senior at the club has taken responsibility for the decision to appoint him, at a Network Villa thing today Faulkner was still saying it could have worked but for bad luck and injuries. I sometimes wonder if they realise how close they came to a catastrophic failure, which would have crippled the club at every level on and off the pitch. Even without relegation the effects of last season will take the club a couple of years to get over.
Spot on. In fact, this is the most spot on post on here for months, in my opinion.
I heard Faulkner on the radio a few weeks ago talking about the appointment, and he said "we appointed Alex on his record, which was excellent" and then went on to say "well, it's easy to say it was a bad appointment with the benefit of hindsight"
Firstly, his record in English football was piss poor.
Secondly, no hindsight needed. The entire football world (except the rotating group of MOTD industry insiders) thought it was a fucking insane appointment, and that's exactly what it turned out to be.
Absolutely bang on about how close they came to catastrophic failure, too. I don't think they quite realise just how much of the goodwill they had was pissed away last season, and just how close we came to total and utter disaster.
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Also - and I would love to be proven wrong on this this season, not least because I have an 8 year old son I'm desperately trying to convince to be a Villa fan despite living over 100 miles from the ground - our squad is one of the worst in the division and about as bad as I can remember since 1987/8. Somewhat McLeish's fault but not totally.
I'd agree with that, it is definitely one of the weakest in the league.
Take out Bent and Given, and there's a lot of mediocrity in between. We've become accustomed to assuming our kids are ace, but I'm not sure how true that really is.
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When Mr Faulkner sent me a letter last August asking why I had not renewed my season ticket(s), I replied mainly because of TSM. Clearly stating that TSM would under no circumstances see out his three year contract and stating that the person (he) who appointed him should duly resign accordingly.
Oddly I got no reply - nor to my letter last May reiterating my request for his resignation.
Since Faulkner has been on the scene we have taken backward steps.
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When Mr Faulkner sent me a letter last August asking why I had not renewed my season ticket(s), I replied mainly because of TSM. Clearly stating that TSM would under no circumstances see out his three year contract and stating that the person (he) who appointed him should duly resign accordingly.
Oddly I got no reply - nor to my letter last May reiterating my request for his resignation.
Since Faulkner has been on the scene we have taken backward steps.
Had Faulkner not shown up, MON might still be here and we'd be heading towards bankcruptcy. We'd still have sold Barry, Ash and Milner and possibly Downing. We'd have replaced them with overpriced subs and overpriced English players like er...Steven Fletcher. Faulkner isn't perfect and he's made errors but lets not carried away here and imply he is what is wrong at the club.
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No one senior at the club has taken responsibility for the decision to appoint him, at a Network Villa thing today Faulkner was still saying it could have worked but for bad luck and injuries. I sometimes wonder if they realise how close they came to a catastrophic failure, which would have crippled the club at every level on and off the pitch. Even without relegation the effects of last season will take the club a couple of years to get over.
Spot on. In fact, this is the most spot on post on here for months, in my opinion.
I heard Faulkner on the radio a few weeks ago talking about the appointment, and he said "we appointed Alex on his record, which was excellent" and then went on to say "well, it's easy to say it was a bad appointment with the benefit of hindsight"
Firstly, his record in English football was piss poor.
Secondly, no hindsight needed. The entire football world (except the rotating group of MOTD industry insiders) thought it was a fucking insane appointment, and that's exactly what it turned out to be.
Absolutely bang on about how close they came to catastrophic failure, too. I don't think they quite realise just how much of the goodwill they had was pissed away last season, and just how close we came to total and utter disaster.
Absolutely agree with both posts. Perhaps we should be very concerned that Faulkner is still running our club if he is even now describing TSM's track record as "excellent". Really? After two relegations in three PL seasons with Blues and shockingly dull football? I can only hope Faulkner is in denial or arse-covering mode, because if he genuinely thinks that, he's certifiable. Injuries and bad luck might count as an excuse in isolated cases, but they won't account for two relegations and a damn near miss out of four PL seasons, boring the life put of everyone in the process. That track record points to McLeish either being an awful manager at PL level, or the unluckiest manager ever. Either way he shouldn't have been allowed near our club.
And I don't care what he's like as a bloke, he could be the devil incarnate or sweet baby Jesus as long as he's nowhere near our club.
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Faulkner has to take his fair share of the blame.
The man is a fucking idiot.
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Faulkner has to take his fair share of the blame.
The man is a fucking idiot.
Well he is certainly an idiot on the football side of things. How the fupp was Houllier ever considered for a role - it is never an easy job to manage Villa and nor should it be. As I say who performed the medicals on him based on his health histroy, at a guess I'd say there wasn't one.
As for TSM I think what may have happened is that Faulkner was making a right hash of replacing Houllier - Martinez, Benitez, McLaren etc.. and think Randy just took over, made a quick decision and Faulkner had to sing to that tune. I may be way off the mark
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An exact and indisputable summary London Villan. I concur with all of Paulie's accolade for the statement. We have been left weak and sick at heart by everything which has happened since O'Neill's departure. There is so much hard work to be done and financial investment to be made to restore the health of the club. The appointment of Paul Lambert was just one step on a long road.
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He didn't take any responsibility for anything IMO.
Look at Spurs away? He got it wrong, but wouldn't admit it.
Spurs at home was just as bad. Them down to 10 men and we still packed the defense.
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I don't understand why most people are so quick to hail him as a man and condemn him as a manager.
Yes, he is a poor Premier League manager, but not considerably worse than most poor PL managers/decent Championship managers -- which is the category in which he belongs.
For me, the most striking feature of McLeish was his proven ability to falter when the road got rocky: last season, we went winless in our final ten games. Hadn't it been for a late Weimann strike that run would have been extended to fourteen. More than anything, it was an inability to get a win when we needed it the most that almost brought us down last season. And it was that inability which relegated Blues the season before.
Maybe he's a nice man, but aside from that flukey cup win, he seems like a poor manager with the habit of not winning when it really matters.
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For all those who are interested & will have access to a radio between 10 - 1, The man they call BIG ECK is going to be on the Keys and Gray show on talksport.
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Three pricks together. I think I'll give it a miss.
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For all those who are interested & will have access to a radio between 10 - 1, The man they call BIG ECK is going to be on the Keys and Gray show on talksport.
We've already got a remake of the Three Stooges, now out in cinemas near you.
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Well, they'll be taking the view that Mcleish's claims have been vindicated.
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The keys and gray twitter account tweeted this earlier:-
"To all you Villains - listen and learn. Big Eck is a warrior. He had the courage to take your job. Ever thought the club let him down?"
Yet again, media circle sticking up for that lame excuse of a manager.
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The keys and gray twitter account tweeted this earlier:-
"To all you Villains - listen and learn. Big Eck is a warrior. He had the courage to take your job. Ever thought the club let him down?"
Warrior? He's the lamest, most cowardly, insipid excuse for a manager I've had the misfortune to witness in a long time.
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I dont understand why so many pundits love the fact that he had courage to take the job. So what! He should never have taken it in the first place. He can shve his courage where the sun dont shine. Where was his courage to admit his mistakes?
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There is a lot people would do for a couple of million...
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There is a lot people would do for a couple of million...
Quite right. It would have taken more courage to have stayed at Blues and tried to turn things round there. What sort of bloke resigns by email as well?
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Currently talking crap on Talksport.
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He's annoying me!
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The keys and gray twitter account tweeted this earlier:-
"To all you Villains - listen and learn. Big Eck is a warrior. He had the courage to take your job. Ever thought the club let him down?"
Warrior? He's the lamest, most cowardly, insipid excuse for a manager I've had the misfortune to witness in a long time.
feel free to use any word you want Riss should you wish to state your mind about TSM ;)
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Sorry for asking a really stupid question but what does TSM stand for? I know it refers to Eck but i have no idea what it is? ::)
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Sorry for asking a really stupid question but what does TSM stand for? I know it refers to Eck but i have no idea what it is? ::)
The Scottish Manager
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Sorry for asking a really stupid question but what does TSM stand for? I know it refers to Eck but i have no idea what it is? ::)
his name is not to be uttered again in this parish.
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Sorry for asking a really stupid question but what does TSM stand for? I know it refers to Eck but i have no idea what it is? ::)
his name is not to be uttered again in this parish.
As coined by yours truly, unless anybody can stake an earlier claim?
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Dynamic football.
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He also mentioned that he played with 4 forwards / attacking players. YEs you did but you didnt know how to utilise them properly you lame excuse for a manager,
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He also mentioned that he played with 4 forwards / attacking players. YEs you did but you didnt know how to utilise them properly you lame excuse for a manager,
And never let them over the halfway line...
This will sum him up in my eyes.
It's near the end of the season, you need a win to guarantee safety, you're playing against 10 men and they have a corner... do you leave anybody up front? Of course you don't you sit back praying the Albion will equalise deep in injury time at Bolton to effectively save you.
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How is it brave to go manager a club knowing even if you fail ,like he did you are going to get a whopping pay off AND some club sooner or later will employ you again ...brave my ass.
If he was brave he would have stayed at Blues and tried to get them promoted instead he left them in the lurch ,by email and took another job and a payrise.He can piss right off with the brave bollocks.