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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: David_Nab on June 13, 2012, 05:17:59 PM
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New deal announced £3.018 Bil over 3 years
Sky 116 matches
BT 38
Espn nothing
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BT are ******.That is all.
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Even if the 38 games they bought were the 38 Villa games, and it was free, and the equipment to watch it was free, and installed free at a convenient time to suit me, and they sent round that girl off the ads to watch it with me, and she's naked and up for it - I still wouldn't have BT.
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Where's the source for this David? Can only find a news item from lunchtime saying the bidding had gone to a second round. Whatever, by my reckoning that's an additional £1bn to go into players and their agents pockets.
Terrific news.
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Where's the source for this David? Can only find a news item from lunchtime saying the bidding had gone to a second round. Whatever, by my reckoning that's an additional £1bn to go into players and their agents pockets.
Terrific news.
They wanker that Peter Scudimore had a press conference.My god he has a punchball for a face.
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http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/premier-league-announces-audio-visual-rights.html
Best cancel ESPN sharpish. They've lost both the football and UFC.
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And I just can't see how BT can lever 38 games into a significant number of new customers. Sky have first pick so expect to see the top clubs every week that Sky don't show them, regardless of the competitiveness of the game.
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Even if the 38 games they bought were the 38 Villa games, and it was free, and the equipment to watch it was free, and installed free at a convenient time to suit me, and they sent round that girl off the ads to watch it with me, and she's naked and up for it - I still wouldn't have BT.
Which girl...the mum or potential *hag for the lad? Oh ok you said you still would not touch em!
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Will BT have a channel or will it just be on tinternet?
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http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/premier-league-announces-audio-visual-rights.html
Best cancel ESPN sharpish. They've lost both the football and UFC.
Who got UFC?
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Will BT have a channel or will it just be on tinternet?
Multi platform is what they call it.
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http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/premier-league-announces-audio-visual-rights.html
Best cancel ESPN sharpish. They've lost both the football and UFC.
Who got UFC?
Not been decided yet. Deal with ESPN expires in August so they'll announce it then I imagine.
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Expect more games to be moved the deal is for more games.
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http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/premier-league-announces-audio-visual-rights.html
Best cancel ESPN sharpish. They've lost both the football and UFC.
It doesnt switch to BT until the 2013/14 season, still on ESPN next season.
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When is the new deal starting?
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So that is an average of £50m per season per club. Astonishing numbers.
How much does an average Championship club get? It would have gone a long way to solving SHA's financial problems
*snigger*
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70% increase on the old deal.
Players and agents will be rubbing their hands together with glee.
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I didn't realize BT had their own television channels.
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BT Vision - over broadband. Sky are more scared of rivalry from BT than they are from Virgin
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Big kick in the balls to ESPN this ..going to go way of setanta I feel.
Wonder if BT will sell the channel for football to sky and virgin to supply to customers ..going to be a right pain otherwise .
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BT Vision - over broadband. Sky are more scared of rivalry from BT than they are from Virgin
Probably cause Virgin are useless,i'm only with them as i get a deal through my mate who works for them....and im tight.
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When is the new deal starting?
2013
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BT? No thanks.
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Won't make any difference to us. It's not going to make it any more affordable to go to the games. It's just a pay rise for the players.
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Big kick in the balls to ESPN this ..going to go way of setanta I feel.
Wonder if BT will sell the channel for football to sky and virgin to supply to customers ..going to be a right pain otherwise .
They would have to if they actually want to get people to subscribe monthly for their channel to generate more revenue knowing that majority of people have Sky or Freeview (or Virgin if you're an idiot lol).
If they didnt it wouldn't make any sense on their behalf.
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So when is the the bubble that Doug was talking about in the nineties going to burst?
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BT should give us loyal broadband customers free access to the games.
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Big kick in the balls to ESPN this ..going to go way of setanta I feel.
Wonder if BT will sell the channel for football to sky and virgin to supply to customers ..going to be a right pain otherwise .
ESPN are a huge corporation owned predominantly by Disney.Pretty sure if they wanted to they could have had the rights.
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I get that the game is popular on tv abroad but in this country?!
That's insane money that will kill off the real fans even more.
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Asking a stupid question here but doesn't this affect the new fair play rules? Another bumper pay day for clubs in the premier league, doesn't it make the new FFP rules redundant? Can someone explain please.
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http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/premier-league-announces-audio-visual-rights.html
Best cancel ESPN sharpish. They've lost both the football and UFC.
Who got UFC?
Not been decided yet. Deal with ESPN expires in August so they'll announce it then I imagine.
FX are showing Maynard-Guida on the 23rd so presumably that will be where future events are shown beyond the ESPN contract. In the US, the UFC has gone over to Fox so I wouldn't surprised if FX showed them here in future.
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Having paid at various times for Sky, Virgin Media & BT Vision, in my experience television wise, BT take some beating for unreliable service. That said, the broadband service is good.
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I suppose if nothing else it'll help us with the wages to turnover ratio. Astonishing figures there though. The bottom club will apparently get more than Man City did for coming first this season.
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That's insane money that will kill off the real fans even more.
Sounds a bit extreme having us killed off now they're getting more money. I shall be careful who I open the door to from now on.
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If that's correct about a 70% rise, Al Jazeera must have really put the shits up them.
Got to say they've done well there in a recession.
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And it's all going into players' pockets, with 10% for their agents. How bloody marvellous.
I hope we don't sign another set of sidwells and beye's.
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So football has not only eaten itself, it's also "vommed" it back up and is now in the process of sucking itself off/dry.
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So football has not only eaten itself, it's also "vommed" it back up and is now in the process of sucking itself off/dry.
Football is the dog's bollocks.
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So the rich get richer.
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It's good to talk
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It's actually distributed quite equitably compared to some leagues.
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It's actually distributed quite equitably compared to some leagues.
It certainly is, but that's not the issue, is it? It's where it gets distributed once it gets to the club. Subsidising lower ticket prices? Allowing more money to trickle down the pyramid to help poorer clubs down there survive/have a better chance of making the Promised Land? Probably not.
At least it will postpone the pressure for Scudamore to conjure up even more revenue through his whacked-out 39th game malarkey.
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
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So when is the the bubble that Doug was talking about in the nineties going to burst?
any year now, and we will be superbly placed to take full advantage of it and regain our rightful place at the top of the footy tree
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Does this mean that Hugh Johns will get a new contract?
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
Translation: You're rich and you have something I want, so I'm going to steal from you, but only a bit, and you won't really notice.
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
Alternatively go to the game live? Its much better, and there is little to no buffering depending on where you sit
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
Translation: You're rich and you have something I want, so I'm going to steal from you, but only a bit, and you won't really notice.
Alternatively, I'll go to pretty much all the home games as I have a season ticket, but realistically I can't get to all the away games, and seeing as you won't let me see them legally, I am forced to break the law if I want to watch them live.
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
Translation: You're rich and you have something I want, so I'm going to steal from you, but only a bit, and you won't really notice.
Alternatively, I'll go to pretty much all the home games as I have a season ticket, but realistically I can't get to all the away games, and seeing as you won't let me see them legally, I am forced to break the law if I want to watch them live.
You're not forced to break the law, you choose to. Big difference there.
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
Translation: You're rich and you have something I want, so I'm going to steal from you, but only a bit, and you won't really notice.
Alternatively, I'll go to pretty much all the home games as I have a season ticket, but realistically I can't get to all the away games, and seeing as you won't let me see them legally, I am forced to break the law if I want to watch them live.
Really? Who's forcing you?
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
Translation: You're rich and you have something I want, so I'm going to steal from you, but only a bit, and you won't really notice.
Alternatively, I'll go to pretty much all the home games as I have a season ticket, but realistically I can't get to all the away games, and seeing as you won't let me see them legally, I am forced to break the law if I want to watch them live.
Really? Who's forcing you?
Fat Tony.
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Oh dear BskyB shares have taken a tumble.
What a shame.
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
Translation: You're rich and you have something I want, so I'm going to steal from you, but only a bit, and you won't really notice.
Alternatively, I'll go to pretty much all the home games as I have a season ticket, but realistically I can't get to all the away games, and seeing as you won't let me see them legally, I am forced to break the law if I want to watch them live.
You're not forced to break the law, you choose to. Big difference there.
It shouldn't be against the law anyway, piracy is a business model problem, and this is an excellent example.
The PL has the finances and infrastructure to have every game broadcast, they could easily stream each game online, and people would pay for it. That site that streamed Villa games for a fee, for example. The clubs could charge for online season tickets.
But instead they lock the games away, and any fans who try to watch them, if they can't get to the game is labelled a pirate. The football industry is like the music industry pre-iTunes.
I'm not going to feel bad about breaking the law when they don't provide a legit way to watch the game for fans who can't travel to every match.
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Ahaarrrr! Splice the mainbrace and stream the togger.
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I should imagine peoples Sky football subscription would be going up soon.
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
Translation: You're rich and you have something I want, so I'm going to steal from you, but only a bit, and you won't really notice.
Alternatively, I'll go to pretty much all the home games as I have a season ticket, but realistically I can't get to all the away games, and seeing as you won't let me see them legally, I am forced to break the law if I want to watch them live.
You're not forced to break the law, you choose to. Big difference there.
It shouldn't be against the law anyway, piracy is a business model problem, and this is an excellent example.
The PL has the finances and infrastructure to have every game broadcast, they could easily stream each game online, and people would pay for it. That site that streamed Villa games for a fee, for example. The clubs could charge for online season tickets.
But instead they lock the games away, and any fans who try to watch them, if they can't get to the game is labelled a pirate. The football industry is like the music industry pre-iTunes.
I'm not going to feel bad about breaking the law when they don't provide a legit way to watch the game for fans who can't travel to every match.
Yes, but you can't have the ability to stream and watch any match you fancy AND big money being paid by Sky for the rights.
Dont get me wrong, I spend as much time watching us on dodgy streams as the next man, but I totally understand Sky trying to protect the stuff they've just handed over £3bn for, and the PL doing the same for the product they go out and ask for £3bn for.
The reason Sky pay so much for the rights, and therefore want to protect them once they've got them, is because the football is pretty much their entire business.
Take away live football, and their channel packages look way, way less attractive. In the past, you might have said Sky Movies are a compelling product for people to subscribe to, but these days, with the various ways of choosing what you want to watch (online), even that must be a dying product.
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I don't subscribe to Sky Sports at present, but would pay a reasonable amount for good quality, legal streaming of all Villa games.
Is this an option for the future do we think?
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If it does then i would imagine it would be the end of collective rights being sold and you'd get Man Utd, Liverpool selling streams of their matches and raking it in compared to smaller clubs and even more of a closed shop.
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I remember when the Sky money was meant to subsidise lower ticket prices. Still waiting for that to happen.
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Yes, but you can't have the ability to stream and watch any match you fancy AND big money being paid by Sky for the rights.
Dont get me wrong, I spend as much time watching us on dodgy streams as the next man, but I totally understand Sky trying to protect the stuff they've just handed over £3bn for, and the PL doing the same for the product they go out and ask for £3bn for.
The reason Sky pay so much for the rights, and therefore want to protect them once they've got them, is because the football is pretty much their entire business.
Take away live football, and their channel packages look way, way less attractive. In the past, you might have said Sky Movies are a compelling product for people to subscribe to, but these days, with the various ways of choosing what you want to watch (online), even that must be a dying product.
True, which is probably why Sky should get in on the ground floor. Pubs are watching foreign channels, tonnes of fans watch overseas streams. They're in the best position of any media company to launch high quality paid-for streams, either as a subscription or PPV (and people will pay), they'd make a fortune if they do it right. They're only going to lose money if they fight the switch to online viewing rather than traditional broadcasts, if they embraced the change there's a much larger potential audience. They make a fortune by charging people to watch football. How much more would they earn if they could broadcast pretty much every team's games?
Having said that,. there might be a reason I spend my day sitting on internet forums instead of running Sky.
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I should imagine peoples Sky football subscription would be going up soon.
When this happens I will cancel the entire package. Que sky probably offering 6months free blah blah blah. They will never let you cancel your package. Just throw your toys out the pram and have a good old strop to get what you want (yes I am aware how spoilt and childish this sounds)
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Man Yoo fans should pay more than other fans as their games last 15 minutes longer than anyone elses.
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I'm still going to watch games illegally. Fuck you Scudamore and fuck you Murdoch. I'll still with loads of buffering and not being able to see the ball.
Translation: You're rich and you have something I want, so I'm going to steal from you, but only a bit, and you won't really notice.
Alternatively, I'll go to pretty much all the home games as I have a season ticket, but realistically I can't get to all the away games, and seeing as you won't let me see them legally, I am forced to break the law if I want to watch them live.
Really? Who's forcing you?
I know. It's worrying for the multi-billion pound multi-national Sky TV that about 400 people watch a Villa away match via the internet, but somehow I think they'll be able to struggle through somehow. Not that they've just paid well over £2bn for television rights.
Oh poor Sky TV. What bastards we are.
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400? Is that all?
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400? Is that all?
God knows tbh. I don't think it's THAT many though. As others have said, Sky/Premier League could perhaps provide a streaming service like the NFL does. For a high quality stream at a reasonable price people would pay it; I would, I'm living abroad next year and it'd be ideal.
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I thought you were not allowed by law to show PL games live on TV when it clashes with other PL games. SO Sky do not have the choice to stream all games.
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Is it actually against the law? I always just assumed it was in the licensing agreement, and therefore subject to change if it makes those involved enough cash.
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Is it actually against the law? I always just assumed it was in the licensing agreement, and therefore subject to change if it makes those involved enough cash.
They are not allowed to show Saturday 3 PM kick offs by law.
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I think that's just an agreement Hawkeye. Something about not wanting to adversely affect attendances. I'm pretty sure if compensated well enough the clubs would agree to it.
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Don't they get around the 3:00pm on a Saturday rule by delaying the streaming by 5 minutes ro so?
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Is anyone really surprised?
Always there's the talk that the premier league bubble will burst and every 3 years the tv deal is mind-bogglingly higher than the last time.
Having the vast majority of premier league games is everything to Sky so they'd always come in with the money required to win that bid.
And I'm sure in 3 years time Al Jazerra will probably get the second package so that will be an increased bid.
And this is without discussing the insane amount the prem gets for its overseas rights.
The bubble ain't going to burst anytime soon, just the mismangement that is inflicted upon individual clubs like Pompey.
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I think that's just an agreement Hawkeye. Something about not wanting to adversely affect attendances. I'm pretty sure if compensated well enough the clubs would agree to it.
I thought it was something that the clubs originally petitioned the Government when they first started live league games. if it was just between the TV companies and the PL they would have done it by now. Certain sporting events are covered by this.
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I think that's just an agreement Hawkeye. Something about not wanting to adversely affect attendances. I'm pretty sure if compensated well enough the clubs would agree to it.
I thought it was something that the clubs originally petitioned the Government when they first started live league games. if it was just between the TV companies and the PL they would have done it by now. Certain sporting events are covered by this.
It's a UEFA rule I think.
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I should imagine peoples Sky football subscription would be going up soon.
When this happens I will cancel the entire package. Que sky probably offering 6months free blah blah blah. They will never let you cancel your package. Just throw your toys out the pram and have a good old strop to get what you want (yes I am aware how spoilt and childish this sounds)
I was hearing BT have got some good games , so If you want both packages It is already hitting the pockets.
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Yes, thanks for that EU. More great thinking from the architests of the Euro. Make them sell the rights to different companies, the competition will make it cheaper for the consumer.
Result? The consumer now has to pay twice. Genius.
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I remember when the Sky money was meant to subsidise lower ticket prices. Still waiting for that to happen.
All that's happened is the players have got richer
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They could let us in for nothing and the players would still be rich.
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Yes but the sky money helped clubs to pay more
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Yes but the sky money helped clubs to pay more
I'm well aware of that, but the point is that with the money coming in from TV and elsewhere, even if Premier League clubs didn't earn a penny in gate money they could still pay players an obscene wage.
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I agree, its a disgrace
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So can I cancel Espn then ?
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Yes but the sky money helped clubs to pay more
I'm well aware of that, but the point is that with the money coming in from TV and elsewhere, even if Premier League clubs didn't earn a penny in gate money they could still pay players an obscene wage.
How much do we make a year through the gate?
Make it a fiver a game, fill the place and get Witherspoons to run the bars.
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So can I cancel Espn then ?
yes if you want to - don't feel the need to ask next time tho :-)
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So can I cancel Espn then ?
Deal starts from the beginning of the 2013 season.