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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Tuscans on April 25, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
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Just listening to Talksport and Ugo Ehiogu was on, was asked about Villa and if the job became available would he be interested. He said he is doing his coaching badges and of course he would want the job if approached...made a comment about the dream team him and Southgate in charge...
...reactions, would you take Ugo and Gareth next season?
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Doesn't everyone hate Ehiogu and Southgate?
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Don't mind Southgate but I've no time for Ehiogu.
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no. i love them both.
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I heard it. He said he'd keep McLown on until the end of the season (thats relegation then) and that we didn't want him because he came from Blues. No mention of dour football.
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Doesn't everyone hate Ehiogu and Southgate?
I'm sure their mothers like them.
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No to both, or even either, personally ... unless it's them or McLeech, then absolutely!
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I'd quite like the job as well if Randy is listening. Wouldn't cost anywhere near £2 million either.
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They'd both get a fcuking game on Saturday the way it's looking
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From the frying pan...........
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They'd only be here for the short term and would then leave us to manage a big club hungry for trophies, like Middlesbrough!
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Doesn't everyone hate Ehiogu and Southgate?
Why? Both great players who gave everything to the club. Highly revered is more accurate.
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Doesn't everyone hate Ehiogu and Southgate?
Why? Both great players who gave everything to the club. Highly revered is more accurate.
Which club? Middlesbrough?
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Doesn't everyone hate Ehiogu and Southgate?
Why? Both great players who gave everything to the club. Highly revered is more accurate.
Agree to some extent but as I "jest" above, they both left us to find "success" with a bigger/better club.
They didn't. And they never will be!
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Highly revered? I have some time for Southgate even though I always thought he was a weak club captain. Very meh to Ugo though.
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As defenders, I thought Ugo was the under-rated one. I was more disappointed in the manner in which he left.
I think Southgate will make a better manager than Ugo though.
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Ugo Ehiogu made a comment about the dream team him and Southgate in charge...
not quite a Dream Team. Laursen and Mellberg possibly. Southgate I'd take as boss despite his acrimonious transfer request - largely down to JG - but self confessed Villa hater Ugo? no thanks.
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Both very good defenders for us. Unfortunately, both were also early examples of the modern breed of footballer- the type to play the system and scweam and scweam until they got the moves (and perhaps more accurately £ ) they believed they were entitled to.
Ugo was giving interviews to national magazines as far back as 1998 about 'going stale.' He had only became a first team regular from about 1995 onwards! At the height of our first major wobble under Sir Brian in 1997, club captain Southgate -rather than any talk along the lines of 'we're all in this together,' instead made it clear that he wouldn't be averse to a move either "A number of players are considering their future at the club. And I'm one of them." Fantastic loyalty to Sir Brian, that. The manager who signed him from yoyo outfit Palarse and turned an average midfielder into an international CB.
That neither was able to force a move earlier than 2000 and 2001 respectively is neither here nor there. The intention was clear.
So it's a no to both, for me.
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Life as a Villa fan gets more bizarre by the day.
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The back three of Ugo, Southgate and McGrath, with Bosnich behind them in goal was a bit special though.
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The back three of Ugo, Southgate and McGrath, with Bosnich behind them in goal was a bit special though.
Indeed.
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You should all read Southgate's book "Woody and Nord", in which he talks extensively about his time at Villa. For those who criticise him, you'll find that he was desperate for success with us, and was consistently frustrated by the lack of ambition at the club - something he had in common with most of us. He wanted what we wanted. I find it hard to criticise the guy.
I don't recall him angling for a move from as early as 97, in fact I recall him being extremely professional and dedicated the whole time he was with us. Compare his conduct to some of the current squad; we could do with his like now. After he requested a transfer (after the FA Cup final) we priced him out of a move and he knuckled down and gave us arguably his best season. Then he went to Boro. You can scoff all you like about him going there for the money and success (haha), but the fact he saw Boro as giving him a better shot at winning something than staying at Villa says more about the moribund state our club was in than it does about his judgment. (And we were going nowhere, and we all know it. Doug was too tight for us to ever go that extra step). He could see Boro had ambition, he couldn't say the same for us. He knew we were never going to win any of the major trophies, and he was right. We haven't.
Wouldn't want him as manager though, he's shit at that. And Ugo did go to Boro purely for the money (I reckon he'd have gone to the Dark Side if they'd been able to afford him), so he can bugger right off.
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You should all read Southgate's book "Woody and Nord", in which he talks extensively about his time at Villa. For those who criticise him, you'll find that he was desperate for success with us, and was consistently frustrated by the lack of ambition at the club - something he had in common with most of us. He wanted what we wanted. I find it hard to criticise the guy.
I don't recall him angling for a move from as early as 97, in fact I recall him being extremely professional and dedicated the whole time he was with us. Compare his conduct to some of the current squad; we could do with his like now. After he requested a transfer (after the FA Cup final) we priced him out of a move and he knuckled down and gave us arguably his best season. Then he went to Boro. You can scoff all you like about him going there for the money and success (haha), but the fact he saw Boro as giving him a better shot at winning something than staying at Villa says more about the moribund state our club was in than it does about his judgment. And we were, and we all know it. Doug was too tight for us to ever go that extra step. He could see Boro had ambition, he couldn't say the same for us. He knew we were never going to win any of the major trophies, and he was right. We haven't.
Wouldn't want him as manager though, he's shit at that. And Ugo did go to Boro purely for the money (I reckon he'd have gone to the Dark Side if they'd been able to afford him), so he can bugger right off.
I'd give him the gig tomorrow. And I'm not even fucking about.
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Its easy to criticise Southgate and Ugo for leaving us for Boro but they both went on to lift the Carling Cup and play in a Uefa Cup final so were proved right to leave us. As for them coming back as manager, Southgate was a shit manager and Ugo needs to start at a lower league club.
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Southgate would not be the worst shout ever, better than the clown we have in right now.
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Southgate would not be the worst shout ever, better than the clown we have in right now.
My only problem with that is its almost as if we'd take anybody aslong as McLeish has gone, we had this attitude last season with Houllier and ended up in this mess, when he's gone we need the best man possible to take us forward.
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In an interview when appointed with the FA, Southgate said he saw himself as working in development rather than management, admittedly this was without an actual offer on the table.
I think he’d be a great guy to have as the head of development at Villa - coaching the coaches and learning new pioneering techniques etc. I also think he’d be a reasonable guy to have in the ear of the board and speaking to the media.
A great appointment.
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If we're after ex-defenders, take a punt on Martin Laursen from that there Danish Second Division. Especially if he could bring Michael Laudrup's boy with him
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Southgate has always struck me as a thoroughly decent guy and probably too nice to be a top flight manager.
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The back three of Ugo, Southgate and McGrath, with Bosnich behind them in goal was a bit special though.
Indeed.
And also a bit short lived if it ever (my memory isn't what it once was) actually happened.
Southgate joined in 1995, I think. Close to the end of McGrath's time at the club.
Edit, a quick check shows Southgate and McGrath overlapped by a year. The year we won the League Cup, were semifinalist in the FA Cup and finished 4th before it became the be-all-and-end-all. So yes, it was a bit special.
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No as a managerial dream-team.
We've had tired and not-very-good experienced managers but we shouldn't be a learning ground for rookies either.
Our next managerial team surely has to be either up-and-coming from the lower leagues or from a foreign league.
FWIW, I always thought Southgate to be an honest and committed Villa player who got racked off with the lack of real ambition from Ellis.
Ugo - no malice or affection. Some players come and go.
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Ugo wants the job now? Blimey, his first game could be against Norwich, he always makes a great debut against them......
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No thanks, I'd rather have Laursen
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No to both, or even either, personally ... unless it's them or McLeech, then absolutely!
Brilliant comment thats my view as well
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Erm nope.
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I want the Villa job as well. I am probably more qualified to do it that Ego and my wages would cost a fraction of his. Are you listening Randy?
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I heard it. He said he'd keep McLown on until the end of the season (thats relegation then) and that we didn't want him because he came from Blues. No mention of dour football.
If that's what he said then he's thick and we don't need another fool as manager. Well said Quick Jar McGrath re Southgate, the guy has been unfairly demonised for being guilty of getting fed up with Doug's lack of ambition. The only difference between him and most of us at the time was that he could walk away, and he did. And I don't blame him.
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I heard it. He said he'd keep McLown on until the end of the season (thats relegation then) and that we didn't want him because he came from Blues. No mention of dour football.
If that's what he said then he's thick and we don't need another fool as manager. Well said Quick Jar McGrath re Southgate, the guy has been unfairly demonised for being guilty of getting fed up with Doug's lack of ambition. The only difference between him and most of us at the time was that he could walk away, and he did. And I don't blame him.
Agreed and yes if Ugo thinks it's predominantely a Blues thing, then he's as clueless as most.
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Ugo and Southgate were both excellent players, and after McGrath probably our best defenders of the last 20 years. Both were better than either Mellberg or Laursen in my opinion.
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Ugo and Southgate were both excellent players, and after McGrath probably our best defenders of the last 20 years. Both were better than either Mellberg or Laursen in my opinion.
I'd disagree with that.
Ugo was a big strong stopper without much class about his play, so is the equivalent of Collins for me, but probably a bit better. I'd say there's very little between Southgate and Mellberg. But Laursen is the best we've had since McGrath.
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Southgate was a quality player, and I don't really hold any animosity towards him.
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Southgate was a quality player, and I don't really hold any animosity towards him.
As I recall, he handed in the transfer request due to interest from Chelsea, which never went any further and left him with Boro as his best offer.
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Ugo and Southgate were both excellent players, and after McGrath probably our best defenders of the last 20 years. Both were better than either Mellberg or Laursen in my opinion.
I'd disagree with that.
Ugo was a big strong stopper without much class about his play, so is the equivalent of Collins for me, but probably a bit better. I'd say there's very little between Southgate and Mellberg. But Laursen is the best we've had since McGrath.
Would agree with that and we saw Laursen after he had some pretty serious injuries.
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I wouldn't want Ugo, he has no experience. I'd rather we had someone who knew how to handle the players.
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Southgate's being groomed for an FA post as the love child of Trevor Brooking, so there is no chance of him coming to VP.
We went down, I'd to a KMac/Cowans axis of ball playing football.
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I hold no animosity against either as players for us. I thought they were both excellent. However, neither of them have been proved capable of management so far so I'm out.
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Two of my favourite ever Villa players. They left to try to go on to bigger and better things and we were seemingly forever going to go nowhere fast and Middlesborough were splashing the cash.
I didn't blame them then and don't blame them now.
As for being in charge, no thanks but I would take any football man over Mc*****.
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I think we should get a young up and coming mangr and give him time, and Villa links would be great, but we can't have someone totally green like Ugo. Look at Paul Ince at Blackburn, you need decent experience at lower levels of professional football, and can't just be thrust into the top (or second) division. And we need to get rid of McLeech first, I still don't truly believe it's inevitable that he will go
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I hold no animosity against either as players for us. I thought they were both excellent. However, neither of them have been proved capable of management so far so I'm out.
Same, although I'd consider Southgate over Ugo and Mcleish.
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Ugo's incisive contribution on SSN today was something along the lines of 'look at the money City, Arsenal and Liverpool have spent - they can't expect to be above them'. Thanks for that Ugo, what about Swansea and Norwich?
Interview for Villa job failed right there on the basis of being as thick as pigshit.
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I echo many of the above comments re Southgate as a player - a good pro, decent club captain with an apparent awareness of our history, a reasonably solid defender and far more determined than he appeared. We failed to match his ambition so I was disappointed when he left but I bore no grudge at all because we were pretty moribund at the time.
As a man I rate him highly. I used to work with his father in London and from all I knew from Clive and his wife, Southgate was chuffed to come to Villa and had a great few years before it went stale. Along with Merson he is my nephew's favourite ever player. He was in the children's hospital in the late 90s when some of the team came in to visit. One of the nurses told Southgate that he was my nephew's favourite player so he went over to find him and chatted to him for over 20 minutes, Merson doing something similar.
I would be happy for Southgate to have some involvement with the club, but I don't see him as a viable manager for us - not yet at least.
I loved Ugo at first but was never sure he held us in any great affection. He was definitely part of a great defensive trio though. He can stay away from the hot seat though - we are not the Early Learning Centre for managers.
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Southgate's being groomed for an FA post as the love child of Trevor Brooking, so there is no chance of him coming to VP.
I don’t see why not. I even think that he could do both roles. Head of Development for both the FA and Villa. After all with the FA I’d imagine he is a bit of a toothless lion as he has no authority to make changes at club’s academies, whereas at Villa we could be the guinea pig where the theories are tried out.
It would raise the profile of our academy and also mean we have a decent diplomat fighting our corner.
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Ugo's incisive contribution on SSN today was something along the lines of 'look at the money City, Arsenal and Liverpool have spent - they can't expect to be above them'. Thanks for that Ugo, what about Swansea and Norwich?
Interview for Villa job failed right there on the basis of being as thick as pigshit.
Not exactly the attitude we'd need in the dressing room. Stinks of McLeish's 'elite club' B.S and I can just see the surrenders he'd initiate.
Definitely a no from me now.
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A fine centre half pairing when they played,we didnt ship last minute goals and we were capable of defending a set piece unlike the 4 melons who masquerade as a back four now
But,they went looking for bigger and better things and ended up at Middlesborough somehow ;D
Then tried to convince anybody who would listen,that they hadn't made a monumental balls up by going there
Dont forget that H&V renamed Middlesborough,Villasborough many moons ago
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I would like Southgate to work as director of football overseeing operation with Villa and FA. I want to see a striker working as a manager I hate defensive mind players as managers. But I wouldn't object to the Great Dane Martin Laursen getting his chance. I think our team is lacking pure viking spirit.
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I would like Southgate to work as director of football overseeing operation with Villa and FA. I want to see a striker working as a manager I hate defensive mind players as managers. But I wouldn't object to the Great Dane Martin Laursen getting his chance. I think our team is lacking pure viking spirit.
And I'd like Cheryl Cole to do a lap dance on a pole in the centre circle at half time during the Spurs game. I wonder who'll get their wish first?
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The thread is about Ugo wanting the job. It is a ridiculous suggestion. Any out of work footballer, when asked if they want our Manager's job, if it were to become vacant, would say 'yes'.
Prince Charles was asked if hated the Queen Mother. He said 'no.'
Next day the headlines read: Prince Charles Denies Hating The Queen Mother.
For fuck's sake, it is all paper talk.
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No. We need a manager with as proven track record at this level at this moment.
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Ugo's incisive contribution on SSN today was something along the lines of 'look at the money City, Arsenal and Liverpool have spent - they can't expect to be above them'. Thanks for that Ugo, what about Swansea and Norwich?
Interview for Villa job failed right there on the basis of being as thick as pigshit.
Spot on Percy. Problem is about ninety five percent of footballers/football people have this kind of mindset. We need an intelligent, ambitious, strong character who respects Villa and knows exactly what should be achieved at the club. Is there a GT MKI out there ready to pick the club up and lead us to glory? Hopefully, as I type, Randy has people searching high and low (across Europe and the World) for that very person.
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they made thier choice, smogheads, let them stick to it
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Ugo's incisive contribution on SSN today was something along the lines of 'look at the money City, Arsenal and Liverpool have spent - they can't expect to be above them'. Thanks for that Ugo, what about Swansea and Norwich?
Interview for Villa job failed right there on the basis of being as thick as pigshit.
Spot on Percy. Problem is about ninety five percent of footballers/football people have this kind of mindset. We need an intelligent, ambitious, strong character who respects Villa and knows exactly what should be achieved at the club. Is there a GT MKI out there ready to pick the club up and lead us to glory? Hopefully, as I type, Randy has people searching high and low (across Europe and the World) for that very person.
Villas Boas. He would make us sing again.
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Bingo. We need a boss who understands us. If you don't, it will never work here.
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Villas Boas is a ridiculous suggestion. But I would be gutted if we did not even ask the question.
If he is looking for a "project" then we would be the ideal club. Unfortunately whenever I have read interviews with him he has intimated that he is not in it for the long haul.
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If we stay up what about Capello?
He wants to manage in England and he used to spend nearly every weekend at Villa Park. We can but dream I suppose.
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I'd prefer a British manager if possible, but the potential candidate list is pretty depressing in terms of who would be likely to want to have a go at it. I wouldn't be against appointing a foreign manager if they could identify a quality candidate or two to interview.
Unfortunately, I think mcleish will still be around next season come what may.
I do hope I'm wrong.
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Ugo's incisive contribution on SSN today was something along the lines of 'look at the money City, Arsenal and Liverpool have spent - they can't expect to be above them'. Thanks for that Ugo, what about Swansea and Norwich?
Interview for Villa job failed right there on the basis of being as thick as pigshit.
Spot on Percy. Problem is about ninety five percent of footballers/football people have this kind of mindset. We need an intelligent, ambitious, strong character who respects Villa and knows exactly what should be achieved at the club. Is there a GT MKI out there ready to pick the club up and lead us to glory? Hopefully, as I type, Randy has people searching high and low (across Europe and the World) for that very person.
Villas Boas. He would make us sing again.
Villas Boas would be a superb choice. He'd be hungry and ready to prove a lot of people wrong, too. He is also the perfect age to lead our young squad. That's the kind of fella we need to aim for if we are serious about challenging whilst developing our youngsters - the question is can Randy see such things? Can he see that, in the long term, getting the manager right is crucial to every aspect of the club's performance? I hope he can, but his last two appointments suggest he has a serious blindspot for this type of thing.
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Every time I hear Ugo, he doesn't seem to have a clue about anything Villa, he just sprouts the usual obvious uninformed views of other journos
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If we can't afford to pay McLeish off,how are we going to afford Villa Boas wages?
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If approached, I would be quite happy to take on the job of tidying up Nicole Kidman's ginger bits. For some reason this has not been reported in any of the papers.
There's always been something David Plattish about Gareth Southgate. Good player for us but a bit of a tit.
The sort of bloke who possesses a filofax but has nothing to put in it.
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Every time I hear Ugo, he doesn't seem to have a clue about anything Villa, he just sprouts the usual obvious uninformed views of other journos
Yes well as stupid as Randy has been, I can't see him hiring Ugo. As you say he doesn't appear to have a clue.
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For those of you with short memories, cast your mind back to Villa legend Ugo when he scored for Middlesbrough at VP and proceeded to run the length of the pitch giving it the big'un.
He can fuck right off.
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For those of you with short memories, cast your mind back to Villa legend Ugo when he scored for Middlesbrough at VP and proceeded to run the length of the pitch giving it the big'un.
He can fuck right off.
After getting a round of fucks from us before he scored who can blame him?
Or can we give it out to players but not let them give it back?
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Wasn't that Boateng?
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Ugo is far too thick to manage the Villa
Then again, it doesn't seem to have stopped a number of other managers including the present incumbent
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I think our team is lacking pure viking spirit.
I agree 100%. We need a new Norse warrior. Get our scouts over to Ukraine and Poland in June, there must be someone from Sweden/Denmark who fits the bill.
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Ugo is far too thick to manage the Villa
Then again, it doesn't seem to have stopped a number of other managers including the present incumbent
quite right...
lee hendrie is another !