Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on April 25, 2012, 12:44:40 PM
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Many years ago we had the awful headline about venglos "Go now"
We had similar last season with GH with the mail
Why have we not had a similar headline on the back pages now with this muppet in charge - surely it is worse now than it was then
Would we be able to control the press like we can with inside the ground protests?
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Mainstream media never tell you what you want to hear,only what they want you to hear.
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In general i understand what you are saying
Venglos - many years ago the EM had the headline something like "For the love of God go now"
Cannot remember exactly but it was very similar last year with GH
Just wondering why not with this clown?
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Maybe that's where all our money has gone.Lerner bunging the EM buckets of cash to say only good things about our clown?
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I think everyone, fans and press alike, are concious of where Mcleish came from. It is affecting their judgement upon how they should react to this situation.
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I posted this earlier to the EM Website... (If you like it - "LIKE" it - the more who agree - the more they must listen)
Mat : It IS time for You to be a REAL journalist - STOP regurgitating the rubbish PR sent out from Villa Park & tell it how it REALLY is ! They'll not lock you out & you will gain the respect of your (Villa) readers ! "Alex McLeish vows" is the latest TRIPE we are fed. Fans are NOT idiots , but we are treated with contempt. The club is heading for relegation because of this man's incompetence. You know it, we know it - WRITE IT , please !
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I think everyone, fans and press alike, are concious of where Mcleish came from. It is affecting their judgement upon how they should react to this situation.
So - it's OK for him to relegate TWO clubs then ?
Not concerned where he came from - VERY CONCERNED about the damage he is doing to OUR club...
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Two points:
For every sensible villa fan that declared that they did not care where he came from it was his managerial record that mattered - they only seem to interview ones that open with "He was ex blues ............" which enforces the mind set that we are all just obsessed with them
Secondly
Last night i had an hour + drive from work to the game and on talk shite once they got over the wankfest with the Chelsea / Barca game Durham advertised at least 3 times that they wanted to hear from Villa fans over what is going on - by the time i got to the game there had been only one caller and then he did not really put the point over as it should have been.
Does the radio vet all the calls so only the mundane caller gets through - or as fans have we actually lost the passion for our club due to the incompetence of those in charge of it and simply gave up?
In the medias eyes have we really become that inconsequential?
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I fear that apathy was really setting in, maybe now the crowd has turned we will make ourselves heard more in the press. There has been a fear of coming over as small minded, but now we have football stats to make our point (lowest number of home wins etc). I really wish McLeish had taken us onwards and upwards, I just want to see my club win, but it's clearly not to be and now he has to go
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Two points:
For every sensible villa fan that declared that they did not care where he came from it was his managerial record that mattered - they only seem to interview ones that open with "He was ex blues ............" which enforces the mind set that we are all just obsessed with them
Secondly
Last night i had an hour + drive from work to the game and on talk shite once they got over the wankfest with the Chelsea / Barca game Durham advertised at least 3 times that they wanted to hear from Villa fans over what is going on - by the time i got to the game there had been only one caller and then he did not really put the point over as it should have been.
Does the radio vet all the calls so only the mundane caller gets through - or as fans have we actually lost the passion for our club due to the incompetence of those in charge of it and simply gave up?
In the medias eyes have we really become that inconsequential?
Yes we have.
Villa are a joke in the eyes of the Media.
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The EM doing a poll if he should stay and Kendrick certainly more pro active in asking if people want him to stay points to a change in tone from them.
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I think the press are walking on eggshells in a similar way to Villa fans, in a sense. It has been commented that Mcleish has had an easier ride than, say, Houllier did last year. This is because the fans who may have been more forthcoming with their crisitisms feared being accused of exactly what they were accused of in many cases - being prejudiced because of Mcleish's background.
If it is the press who have been doing this kind of finger pointing (i.e. saying you're only having a go at Mcleish because he came from the Blues), can they turn round and be so damning now?
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Im sick of the media coming out with the ' its where he came from '
Look , if Blose had finish 5th or 6th twice and won the FA Cup , and played great football. I would have been over the moon ,
even If he had come from Blose.
ITS HIS CRAP FOOTBALL !!!!!!
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The headline in today's EM reads "What's Going Wrong?". Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!! He should have been asking that question a couple of months ago, not leaving it until we are right in the mire. I just wonder if journalists have been instructed by the club to lay off McLeish and I noticed that last night a banner criticising McLeish was soon taken down by stewards. Other managers have been given a tough time by the EM when things haven't been going well (I can remember O'Leary slating the Villa journalist at the time for his coverage), but McLeish seems to have been given a pretty easy ride.
As for Tom Ross on the radio, he must be secretly delighted at what is going on at the Villa. I listened to his phone-in on Monday night the other week and he spent the whole show talking about Ashley Young's dive and not one mention about the situation at Villa. Pat Herd has to be one of the poorest summarisers in the media and struggles to barely get a coherent sentence out most of the time. At least the people at WM have been a bit more animated, but most of their ire has been aimed at Lerner. Pat Murphy would be the ideal man to say what is really happening, but we don't get too much exposure on Radio 5.
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Why were fans at Man City delighted about signing Tevez? But we didn't want McShit? Talent.
Thats the difference.
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Im sick of the media coming out with the ' its where he came from '
Look , if Blose had finish 5th or 6th twice and won the FA Cup , and played great football. I would have been over the moon ,
even If he had come from Blose.
ITS HIS CRAP FOOTBALL !!!!!!
I couldn't agree more... the trouble is, the Media 'feed' off the club & therefore maintain the relationship - for fear of falling from favour... the whole 'machine' / system stinks - it's almost as bad as politics. GIVE US SOME HONESTY !
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Why were fans at Man City delighted about signing Tevez? But we didn't want McShit? Talent.
Thats the difference.
Brilliant point
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Im sick of the media coming out with the ' its where he came from '
Look , if Blose had finish 5th or 6th twice and won the FA Cup , and played great football. I would have been over the moon ,
even If he had come from Blose.
ITS HIS CRAP FOOTBALL !!!!!!
I couldn't agree more... the trouble is, the Media 'feed' off the club & therefore maintain the relationship - for fear of falling from favour... the whole 'machine' / system stinks - it's almost as bad as politics. GIVE US SOME HONESTY !
Honesty.Those were the days.
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Why were fans at Man City delighted about signing Tevez? But we didn't want McShit? Talent.
Thats the difference.
Brilliant point
Exactly. If we'd pinched Mourinho off Blues we'd all have been delighted.
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It's a point I've made elsewhere, but I feel very angry that the media use fans as a proxy for criticism, rather than having the balls to ask a direct question.
Rather than saying: `hey Alex, your record is appalling, what's up with that?', they say 'ooh Alex, isn't it terrible what the so-called-fans were chanting at you?'
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Talking of headlines, has the Mail had a double page spread yet with a picture of the Villa badge split in half and a banner headline running accross the top " Villa in crisis...Villa in crisis...Villa in crisis..."
I'll be disappointed if they havent
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Why were fans at Man City delighted about signing Tevez? But we didn't want McShit? Talent.
Thats the difference.
Brilliant point
In a nutshell negates any issues in relation to where he came from - fantastic summerisation and should be used at every opportunity
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Why were fans at Man City delighted about signing Tevez? But we didn't want McShit? Talent.
Thats the difference.
Exellant point concisely made. Possibly your best quote since "Formula 1, why don't they just go round once"?
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Wasn't Kendrick banned by O'Neill? I guess he toadies up to them because he wants to keep his job rather than tell the truth.
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This point is quite hysterically being made all over Twatter and Blogs. At first, I thought it was basically a just a "woe is me" scenario. However, there does seem to be a lack of cutting questioning not only to The Manager, but the CEO and the Missing Yank.
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This (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish?commentpage=1#end-of-comments)is excellent - at last a journo who wants to talk about the real problem.
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The media defend him because he is a nice guy.
Problem is he is a crap manager.
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Why were fans at Man City delighted about signing Tevez? But we didn't want McShit? Talent.
Thats the difference.
Brilliant point
Indeed. I've never heard the media report that Heskey cops flak from the crowd because he played for that lot.
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Posted yesterday
Talking of headlines, has the Mail had a double page spread yet with a picture of the Villa badge split in half and a banner headline running accross the top " Villa in crisis...Villa in crisis...Villa in crisis..."
I'll be disappointed if they havent
In today's Mail
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/04/25/birmingham-mail-front-page-today-s-headlines-97319-30840088/
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No need to throw beans around, just because we're in crisis!
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Posted yesterday
Talking of headlines, has the Mail had a double page spread yet with a picture of the Villa badge split in half and a banner headline running accross the top " Villa in crisis...Villa in crisis...Villa in crisis..."
I'll be disappointed if they havent
In today's Mail
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/04/25/birmingham-mail-front-page-today-s-headlines-97319-30840088/
I saw that and instantly thought of your post, if only you'd said front page rather than double page spread, people could've assumed you actually gave them the idea (maybe you did and they changed it slightly to throw you off the scent).
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I'm guessing that when The Mail say 76% of Villa fans want McLeish to go they mean 76% want him to go right now and 24% after the last game. Unless 24% of those who voted were noses.
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"Sir Doug: 'Villa will finish in the Top Six next season'".
I should think so - the play-offs should be the least of our expectations.
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"Sir Doug: 'Villa will finish in the Top Six next season'".
I should think so - the play-offs should be the least of our expectations.
Unless he meant the Prem....and his finger slipped.
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Wasn't Kendrick banned by O'Neill? I guess he toadies up to them because he wants to keep his job rather than tell the truth.
Thats my thinking. He's got to kiss ass to maintain access to the club.
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The media really do have less of a problem telling a foreigner to go than telling a fellow Brit that their time is up. The kind of jobs-for-the-boys nepotism which gets incompetents like McLeish and Bruce their jobs (see a connection anyone?) exists in the media as well, and twofold: firstly, journalists are mates with their good, old fashioned British counterparts in the dugouts; secondly (and this is deadly serious), they don't want to do anything to antagonise Ferguson.
The second point applies to us, but also imagine if it had been Carlo Di Abroad who'd been manager of Liverpool this season, or Philippe Le Baguette etc. Think above all of Roy Hodgson who, despite being as Cockney as jewwied eews, feels like a foreigner who's just come in as he's actually worked outside of this country for the majority of his career, therefore not having the opportunity to build a mateship with the media - so he got the treatment good and proper.
Houllier said that foreigners get a harder time in the media, as a general rule, than British people, and he's right. It's what's saving Eck from the negative coverage his incompetence would have merited, and which any manager from abroad would have got.
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Wasn't Kendrick banned by O'Neill? I guess he toadies up to them because he wants to keep his job rather than tell the truth.
Thats my thinking. He's got to kiss ass to maintain access to the club.
I think it was Bill Howell he had the falling out with. Add him to the list.
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This (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish?commentpage=1#end-of-comments)is excellent - at last a journo who wants to talk about the real problem.
Before I even clicked on that link I knew it was going to be the excellent Stuart James' piece in The Guardian... that paper is just about the only thing in the entire national media that I feel I can trust now to give a balanced and fair view on such (most in fact) matters...my dad cancelled the Evening Mail a couple of years back after 45 years of subscription because he'd just got fed up of how far down the toilet it had gone...
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"Sir Doug: 'Villa will finish in the Top Six next season'".
With Doug it was always possible. With this shower you'd have to take LSD to come to this conclusion.
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This (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish?commentpage=1#end-of-comments)is excellent - at last a journo who wants to talk about the real problem.
What a brilliant article. Sums the situatuion up perfectly!
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The EM doing a poll if he should stay and Kendrick certainly more pro active in asking if people want him to stay points to a change in tone from them.
I think the fact that he has been involved with football in Birmingham for some years now, along with his genial character, means he has quite a few friends in the local media. As such, any criticism has been quite muted.
You only have to compare that to the criticism in the national media.