Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: flatfoot on April 25, 2012, 06:42:15 AM
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QPR fan in peace.
Just wanted to welcome you to the wrong end of the table - it's madness down here. Wins against Man Utd, losses to West Brom. No way of predicting who's going down week in week out.
Which brings us to you. Welcome. I reckon you need at least one point, maybe as much as four - any thoughts where they are going to come from?
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Welcome. I reckon you need at least one point, maybe as much as four - any thoughts where they are going to come from?
The Bolton game.
Oh.
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Easy. McDoom pinpointed our problem last night - Davies came on and improved them second half.
So Bolton were only inept for 45 minutes. To win, we need the opposition to be inept for 90!
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No, none whatsoever, we're dire.
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Welcome to you too.
Our problem is we are in a bit of a free fall. We are a great team when it comes to draws, so as long as everyone else below us stops winning I'm sure we will have one more draw before the end and we will be safe.
There is a very big but in there, for the last few weeks, your lot, Wigan, Bolton and Blackburn do look like they have it in them to fight their way out of this.
Worrying.
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We'll beat West Brom.
And you'll all wonder what all the panic was about.
Night shifts often make me slightly delerious in the morning.
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At this moment in time, no.If we stay up it'll be due to Wolves plus two others failing to amass points, not what we do for ourselves in the remaining fixtures.Blues were looking safe last season then lost at home to Fulham, for that read our game last night.If we do drop then no excuses about injuries, we were doing ok on the injury front until February.Fact is that the squad have massively underperformed under the stewardship of a manager who was deeply unpopular before he'd even started and without the backing of the fans was never going to succeed. The players should as a group be thoroughly ashamed of what they've produced this season.
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We don't have the stomach or the bottle for a dogfight.
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a manager who was deeply unpopular before he'd even started and without the backing of the fans was never going to succeed.
Disagree there,
1) He could easily have succeded if he'd learned the lessons from last year and not been such a cautious surrender monkey; he's bought alot of this on himself.
2) He's actually got away with it very lightly to this point. Being ex-Blues meant I wanted him to succeed even more as it would piss the rags off someting rotten. It took until the 86th minute in the penultimate home match for the crowd to finally turn on him - that's patience personified imo. 4 wins at home in a season is the worst home record in 138 friggin years!!
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We don't have the stomach or the bottle for a dogfight.
And with the Albion away this weekend as well. In all of the time i've followed the Villa (since '88) I have never felt so resigned to defeat.Where's the inspiration? With three games to go i know there'd be an argument that changing the manager would be foolish but i honestly believe that an announcement today of MacDonald taking over until the end of the season would lift the club and actually get the fans behind the players.
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a manager who was deeply unpopular before he'd even started and without the backing of the fans was never going to succeed.
Disagree there,
1) He could easily have succeded if he'd learned the lessons from last year and not been such a cautious surrender monkey; he's bought alot of this on himself.
2) He's actually got away with it very lightly to this point. Being ex-Blues meant I wanted him to succeed even more as it would piss the rags off someting rotten. It took until the 86th minute in the penultimate home match for the crowd to finally turn on him - that's patience personified imo. 4 wins at home in a season is the worst home record in 138 friggin years!!
Indeed. Don't believe the media hype. Despite the initial protests, McUselesswellingtonbootfullofsteaminggorillashit had the majority of Villans behind him from the start. We had an incredibly easy set of fixtures at the beginning, which he failed to take advantage of. Then he failed some more, and only now, when the failure has reached an all-time peak, is he getting the wholesale stick he richly deserves. Can you imagine this kind of patience at any other club of our standing?
And just in case our QPR friend was under any media-spun illusions, we don't dislike him because he came from Birmingham City. We dislike him because he's shit. A proven relegation artist. A disaster.
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a manager who was deeply unpopular before he'd even started and without the backing of the fans was never going to succeed.
Disagree there,
1) He could easily have succeded if he'd learned the lessons from last year and not been such a cautious surrender monkey; he's bought alot of this on himself.
2) He's actually got away with it very lightly to this point. Being ex-Blues meant I wanted him to succeed even more as it would piss the rags off someting rotten. It took until the 86th minute in the penultimate home match for the crowd to finally turn on him - that's patience personified imo. 4 wins at home in a season is the worst home record in 138 friggin years!!
For me it's given the players an excuse to hide.Whoever took the job in the summer was going to have a tough job with a rebuilding task required.McLeish also had the added extra of being unwanted by a lot of fans.I was never bothered that he'd come from Blues, the fact he'd taken the Blues down when he had enough there to stay up was my concern.He was never going to succeed and the way he's approached games he's done himself no favours.
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Dog fights ? Mcleish doesn't do dogfights Good luck next season in the Premier League We will not be there
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As Zoggy says it won't be a dogfight for Villa.
We will roll over and have our bellies tickled yet again.
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For your club and others down there you can have no better man than McLeish on the other side. This man has proven behind doubt that when the going gets tough...he hasnt got a clue. Proved it twice with Small Heath now it's our turn.
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We have nothing up front; Gabby and Heskey were clearly injured yesterday and Weimann lacks pace (if not effort).
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Im not the slightest bit concerned I think we will beat the Albion. For gods sake they are not that good or even good. A lot depends on Collins being fit. He's hard gets stuck in and if anyones capable in that team of scoring from from a corner he is...as long as Bannan's taking it.
Heskey should also start as at least he knows what he's doing and has a physical presence up front
I woke up this morning actually thinking McCleish might have resigned but no he has no intention of doing so. Said something like the "fans know we are in a bit of trouble" The master of understatement.
Our chairman Howard Hughes does not attend games because he knows he will get abused. Outside Wembley in 2000 I had the pleasure of talking to our great captain Johnny Dixon and his son. Mr Dixon said "Villa are a grand club" and so we are
but with a poor team and a shocking manager who got Birmingham relegated from an impossible position and may well do it with us.
Mr Lerner I assume you have a plaque on your excecutive desk which to quote Harry S Truman says"The Buck Stops Here"
Look at it!
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Im not the slightest bit concerned I think we will beat the Albion. For gods sake they are not that good or even good. A lot depends on Collins being fit. He's hard gets stuck in and if anyones capable in that team of scoring from from a corner he is...as long as Bannan's taking it.
I admire your optimism, but we are at the last 3 games of the season, and Albyun are better than Bolton, Collins is a member of a squad who has helped to put us where we are when he was fit, and we havn't scored from a corner since God was a boy.
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We have nothing up front; Gabby and Heskey were clearly injured yesterday and Weimann lacks pace (if not effort).
Weimanns movement is excellent, and he'll score goals in the Championship. Heskey was excellent yesterday, but his fitness isn't good enough. As for Gabby, meh. Sick of him now.
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Don't think we are capable of helping ourselves now with zero confidence .Our fate will decided by results of the teams around us.
AM hasn't had that much grief yet considering the position we are in and the way we have played over the season so i don't have any pity for him. Look at the grief that Keen has had all season and when you compare what the two of them have had to work with, which manager has done the better job this season ? Keen or Mr. £2 million a year. £2 fuckin million a year .
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I don't think I have the bottle for this.
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West Brom (a), Spurs (h), Norwich (a) left.
Can't see a win in sight, a goal even.
36 points, 37 maybe if we manage a 0-0 is what we'll end up with.
Villa too good to get relegated, nonsense, we aren't that good under this Manager who's CV is littered with the 'R' word.
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Need 2 draws or 1 win to be safe. 1 point may be enough but i wouldn't like to chance it. Lose all 3 games and we are down. I think we'll just about stay up, and although i generally like contingency with managers, McLeish has to go after only 1 season.
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He has proven Premier League experience, proven that when it comes to the end of the season, he has not got a fucking clue.
As others have said, the tile of the thread is wrong, Mc Wankers teams don't do fighting.
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I don't think I have the bottle for this.
Lean on me Brother