Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 23, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
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birminghammail.net
SHAY Given has delivered a “We got ourselves into this mess, now let’s get ourselves out if it” relegation rallying call ahead of tomorrow’s survival six-pointer.
Villa host fellow strugglers Bolton at Villa Park desperately needing a victory to ease fears of the drop following Saturday’s 0-0 draw with Sunderland.
And the club’s elder statesman believes they only have themselves to blame for their precarious Premier League position with four games to go.
“As long as we get over the line,” said Given. “We don’t want to stumble the wrong side of the line because we know we are not safe yet.
“We are five points clear, but any results can happen at the bottom.
“The thing for Aston Villa is we can’t rely on other people, we have to do the job ourselves.
“Ideally we want to win but it is easy enough saying we want to win.
“We have to go out on the pitch and do the business.”
Given admits under-achieving Villa deserve to be 15th in the league, five points above the bottom three because the table does not lie.
“We don’t want to be where we are at,” he said.
“The table never lies and we are where we are because we deserve to be there.
“We don’t deserve to be any higher as we haven’t picked the points up.”
Given took scant consolation from the clean sheet against Sunderland, adding: “You take positives, but you would rather win 6-5.”
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Fair play to him. A bit of straight talking for a change.
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Actions speak louder than words, now do it on the pitch.
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as the saying goes 'no shit sherlock!'
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Glad that the players recognise it at least.
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Glad that the players recognise it at least.
They may do, but Sir Alex 2 doesn't.
He's never once alluded to underachieving, just snowballed us with a litany of excuses.
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Glad that the players recognise it at least.
They may do, but Sir Alex 2 doesn't.
He's never once alluded to underachieving, just snowballed us with a litany of excuses.
Maybe the players will do it themselves now? Remember the West Brom at home under Houllier? A player's revolt of sorts resulted in us getting a much needed three points. Maybe this is significant and indicates the players have met and want to play for their pride? McLeish hasn't said a whole lot lately....
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Glad that the players recognise it at least.
They may do, but Sir Alex 2 doesn't.
He's never once alluded to underachieving, just snowballed us with a litany of excuses.
Maybe the players will do it themselves now? Remember the West Brom at home under Houllier? A player's revolt of sorts resulted in us getting a much needed three points. Maybe this is significant and indicates the players have met and want to play for their pride? McLeish hasn't said a whole lot lately....
Well it seems all the players are 100% behind the manager according to the reports from VP, and there have been no reports to say otherwise from elsewhere. I'm not sure why, if true, as most of the senior players have known they have been for the chop since the beginning of the season.
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And the award for stating the bleeding obvious goes to...
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I'd argue that we haven't under achieved. We are exactly where I expected us to be after last summers apointment.
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Bloody hell he's strung out a few cliches there, all to state the very obvious.
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First step in solving a problem - admit there is one. Wakey wakey McClueless!!!!
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Come on! The weekly stories we were subjected to last year on pravda were an awful lot more clichéd.
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Come on! The weekly stories we were subjected to last year on pravda were an awful lot more clichéd.
So are this years. Cringeworthy and embarrassing at times.
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Ye don't say Shay.
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"let’s get ourselves out if it..........can’t rely on other people...........do the job ourselves...........we want to win.............do the business............table never lies ...........take positives................."
Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shut the fuck up! Your paid thousands of pounds every week to play in goal, so just go and stand between those two sticks and keep a clean sheet against Bolton, theres plenty of us here who ( at the end of the day ) can do the cliches for free !
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It would be nice to get at least one in the onion bag at the other end of the pitch.
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Villa under-achieving this season!! No shit Sherlock!! More evidence of you trying to put it right on the pitch, less talking about it.
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"let’s get ourselves out if it..........can’t rely on other people...........do the job ourselves...........we want to win.............do the business............table never lies ...........take positives................."
Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shut the fuck up! Your paid thousands of pounds every week to play in goal, so just go and stand between those two sticks and keep a clean sheet against Bolton, theres plenty of us here who ( at the end of the day ) can do the cliches for free !
at the end of the day it is a funny old game and at this moment in time we have to accept that they will give 110 % in their confident dressing room and are all pulling together in this marathon not a sprint :P
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"let’s get ourselves out if it..........can’t rely on other people...........do the job ourselves...........we want to win.............do the business............table never lies ...........take positives................."
Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shut the fuck up! Your paid thousands of pounds every week to play in goal, so just go and stand between those two sticks and keep a clean sheet against Bolton, theres plenty of us here who ( at the end of the day ) can do the cliches for free !
at the end of the day it is a funny old game and at this moment in time we have to accept that they will give 110 % in their confident dressing room and are all pulling together in this marathon not a sprint :P
More cliches.Just do the job and we will back you to the hilt!!
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There may be a lot of cliches in there but at least he acknowledges we are where we deserve to be.
I'd much rather read a bit of honesty than have someone blowing smoke up my arse and telling me how we're still looking up not down and if we get 34 points from the last 5 games we can still make the Top 6!
Okay a slight exaggeration but you take my point...
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"With our fans tremendous support and the players giving 110 per cent effort I am sure we will achieve the right result"
Wording probably slightly wrong but there you go.
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There may be a lot of cliches in there but at least he acknowledges we are where we deserve to be.
I'd much rather read a bit of honesty than have someone blowing smoke up my arse and telling me how we're still looking up not down and if we get 34 points from the last 5 games we can still make the Top 6!
Okay a slight exaggeration but you take my point...
how about shay says " the manager sets us up not to lose primarily and not really have a go anything else we get is a bonus. It doesnt really inspire us to express ourselves and give us any confidence to improve. It is a bit dissapointing really
, I hope he goes soon bejesus "
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Actions speak louder than words, now do it on the pitch.
To be fair, you can' really blame Given for where we are - he's been one of the very few success stories from this season.
I read this as him getting frustrated by the standard of the rest of the team - manager included.
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Actions speak louder than words, now do it on the pitch.
To be fair, you can' really blame Given for where we are - he's been one of the very few success stories from this season.
I read this as him getting frustrated by the standard of the rest of the team - manager included.
The defence has been really poor and we can't score a goal.
When you look at the squad we should be doing a lot better. He thought he was joining a club with some sense of ambition/desire to rebuild and we've all seen that diminish rapidly this season. He probably wishes he'd gone elsewhere where they try to play football and win games.
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When you look at the squad why should we be doing better? With Bent injured who can score goals for us and who in that squad would you honestly pay to go and watch expecting some sort of entertainment??
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When you look at the squad why should we be doing better? With Bent injured who can score goals for us and who in that squad would you honestly pay to go and watch expecting some sort of entertainment??
Young carruthers for one.
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I like Shay, despite him being allergic to leaving his goal line, but giving him a five year deal was very generous. I was really impressed when Guzan filled in for him this season.
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He missed out, when we go on the pitch "the gaffer" reminds us what we need to do "you are paid to entertain boys" and forget about the oposition because they have "another agenda"
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I wish the Villa players were media shy. They should just shut up and do what they've got to do. They have nothing to say of interest that we don't already know. It feels that if they admit they f......d up, that they will be forgiven and it[s all okay.
If we get relegated the manager and the more experienced senior players should be sacked, sold, regardless that we may need them to get promotion. I would rather start from the same place that Swansea or Norwich started from than have these people around the Villa. As a Villa fan I've learnt to be patient, what I can't abide is so called experienced players taking the piss.
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“You take positives, but you would rather win 6-5.”
Sounds like a hint to the manager to me - maybe the players are getting fed up of the safety-first approach
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I would rather start from the same place that Swansea or Norwich started from than have these people around the Villa.
You'd rather be in the 3rd tier of English football? As Swansea were in 2008 and Norwich were in 2010? (Although to see them comfortably above us in the league at the moment does show what a spectacular fall from grace we've had and also shows what happens when you appoint the wrong manager, twice!)
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I would rather start from the same place that Swansea or Norwich started from than have these people around the Villa.
You'd rather be in the 3rd tier of English football? As Swansea were in 2008 and Norwich were in 2010? (Although to see them comfortably above us in the league at the moment does show what a spectacular fall from grace we've had and also shows what happens when you appoint the wrong manager, twice!)
No from championship to premier, were not getting relegated to 3rd tier football, mind you some of my fondest memories of being a Villa supporter are from the 3rd Division.
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I would rather start from the same place that Swansea or Norwich started from than have these people around the Villa.
You'd rather be in the 3rd tier of English football? As Swansea were in 2008 and Norwich were in 2010? (Although to see them comfortably above us in the league at the moment does show what a spectacular fall from grace we've had and also shows what happens when you appoint the wrong manager, twice!)
No from championship to premier, were not getting relegated to 3rd tier football, mind you some of my fondest memories of being a Villa supporter are from the 3rd Division.
But neither of the clubs you mentioned started from the Championship. Norwich had a major implosion due to a number of poor managerial appointments and found themselves in the 3rd tier less than 3 years ago. Swansea have always been a lower league club as far as I'm aware.
There's a world of difference expecting a load of kids to hold their own in the top divisions versus setting them up against lower league clubs. That's why the likes of Arsenal put their kids out against lower league teams in cup games and why Barca and Real have their kids teams playing in the lower divisions over in Spain. I worry that if we do get relegated, expecting the kids to get us straight back up might have completely the opposite effect.