We are really bad right now though. 1 win in 12, 1 win at home in 6 months etc, a lot of injuries, no one scoring goals, poor at the back, no fight.
Reading a couple of United forums, they reckon we were the worst side they have seen at Old Trafford all season, and if they had needed too could have got a cricket score. You can't argue.
Crap yo-yo clubs (Wet Spam, Wolves) or one-season wonders (Hull, and watch Swansea plummet next season) get found out. Villa have a season like this every few years, we won't be anywhere near relegation next season even with McLeish.
Crap yo-yo clubs (Wet Spam, Wolves) or one-season wonders (Hull, and watch Swansea plummet next season) get found out. Villa have a season like this every few years, we won't be anywhere near relegation next season even with McLeish.
Odds of 14/1.. I'm tempted. If I'm gonna be crying at the end of the season I may as well make a profit while I do.
Odds of 14/1.. I'm tempted. If I'm gonna be crying at the end of the season I may as well make a profit while I do.
Betfair 16/1
William Hill 10/1
No odds given for teams immediately above us. Get some money on before the Sunderland game.
What could we have done about it?
Lerner has killed the spirit at the club and we have let him.
Each to their own, but the thought of putting money on us to be relegated makes me retch.
Each to their own, but the thought of putting money on us to be relegated makes me retch.
Odds of 14/1.. I'm tempted. If I'm gonna be crying at the end of the season I may as well make a profit while I do.
Betfair 16/1
William Hill 10/1
No odds given for teams immediately above us. Get some money on before the Sunderland game.
That's the spirit.
I had cash on us to win and Weimann to score. I'm a fool for Villa. :\
Agreed 16-1 is mental.Odds of 14/1.. I'm tempted. If I'm gonna be crying at the end of the season I may as well make a profit while I do.
Betfair 16/1
William Hill 10/1
No odds given for teams immediately above us. Get some money on before the Sunderland game.
That's the spirit.
Purely a statistical observation. I think that more likely than not we will stay up. But not 16 times more likely than not.
3-1 to go down? Don't be daft.If this season was played out 3 times from now. given the total state of disarray we are in, I think its fair to say that AM could do it.
As long as qpr dont beat spurs on sat i think we will be ok, i think wigan and bolton will both overtake us, but qpr have spurs at home and chelsea and man city away and im banking on them picking up 1 point from those 3 games at most, blackburn and wolves are too far adrift.
If we get relegated I will walk stark, bollock naked across the pitch against Charlton at home next season.
Do we need to get shot come the end of the season? Without a doubt. But you would need a perfect storm of madness to send us down from here.
If we get relegated I will walk stark, bollock naked across the pitch against Charlton at home next season.
Do we need to get shot come the end of the season? Without a doubt. But you would need a perfect storm of madness to send us down from here.
As long as qpr dont beat spurs on sat i think we will be ok, i think wigan and bolton will both overtake us, but qpr have spurs at home and chelsea and man city away and im banking on them picking up 1 point from those 3 games at most, blackburn and wolves are too far adrift.
Thats the thing though - we are totally dependant on other teams dropping points when in fact the staying up should be in our own hands. If it goes bad we are doomed as there is noway AM will motivate a fightback. I can see us drawing 2 or 3 games and ending up on 37 or 38 points. Close run.
Yes, thats looks a bit more positive. God help us if they turn Spurs over on Sat though.As long as qpr dont beat spurs on sat i think we will be ok, i think wigan and bolton will both overtake us, but qpr have spurs at home and chelsea and man city away and im banking on them picking up 1 point from those 3 games at most, blackburn and wolves are too far adrift.
Thats the thing though - we are totally dependant on other teams dropping points when in fact the staying up should be in our own hands. If it goes bad we are doomed as there is noway AM will motivate a fightback. I can see us drawing 2 or 3 games and ending up on 37 or 38 points. Close run.
even if we do only get like you say 2 more points, that is 37 points, which still means QPR have to make 7 points to finish above us from there remaining 4 games which include Spurs, Chelsea and Man City
this is a no brainer fella, we arnt going down
Who wants a bet? How much do you want to lay at BetStu that we won't stay up?How much on Maggie lasting another 10 years?
If we get relegated I will walk stark, bollock naked across the pitch against Charlton at home next season.
Do we need to get shot come the end of the season? Without a doubt. But you would need a perfect storm of madness to send us down from here.
I actually think there has been a perfect storm of madness developing over Villa Park for the last 2 years.
Heart says No, head says possibly.
Big big game for us tonight, Wigan-Arsenal.
If Wigan do to Arsenal what they did to Man U, then that's one side that's creeping up on us, then we have to look to QPR at the weekend.
Big games.
Im flying to the canaries next weds so im hoping we secure safety before my holiday or i will incur the wrath of mrs east by watching our game at the albion on holiday somewhere in a bar.
Im flying to the canaries next weds so im hoping we secure safety before my holiday or i will incur the wrath of mrs east by watching our game at the albion on holiday somewhere in a bar.
Heart says No, head says possibly.
Big big game for us tonight, Wigan-Arsenal.
If Wigan do to Arsenal what they did to Man U, then that's one side that's creeping up on us, then we have to look to QPR at the weekend.
Big games.
i'm supporting Wigan tonight, as i want them to stay up
Arsenal 0 Wigan 2 !!!!
Arsenal 0 Wigan 2 !!!!
Martinez is a miracle worker,we need him at VP,
imagine what he could do with Randy's backing............
Very sad that i am hoping Arsenal beat Wigan tonight. Desperate times .............
Another round of fixtures and still 6 points ahead. 2 points needed max might even be 1/0.
A win on Sat would be handy though
After QPR get beat and we win against Sunderland, we'll be safe as their ain't no way QPR will get nine out of Stoke, Chelsea and Man City.
We will survive - no thanks to the current manager.............likely finish on 39 points
Next season will be different - less than 39 points if he isn't shown the door
For heaven's sake Lerner admit you made a mistake and don't listen to Sir Alex in the future
Wolves can't catch us (barring a 20 goal goal difference swing).
Blackburn need 7 points from 4 games just to get to where we are now, and they have Chelsea away and Spurs away still to go. Plus Wigan at home, which if they were to win would obviously make Wigan's job harder.
QPR are 4 behind us having played a game more, and still have Chelsea away and Man City away to go, plus Spurs at home.
We're very boring and playing very badly, but we ain't going down this year. 17th mind - now that is a possibility.
Odds of 14/1.. I'm tempted. If I'm gonna be crying at the end of the season I may as well make a profit while I do.
Betfair 16/1
William Hill 10/1
No odds given for teams immediately above us. Get some money on before the Sunderland game.
NEED to beat Sunderland and Bolton, then we're safe - just.
McLeish has tried his best to send us down, going down seems to be in his DNA, but in spite of that, we should just about stay up.
It is in our own hands. It's fairly daft to say that it isn't.As long as qpr dont beat spurs on sat i think we will be ok, i think wigan and bolton will both overtake us, but qpr have spurs at home and chelsea and man city away and im banking on them picking up 1 point from those 3 games at most, blackburn and wolves are too far adrift.
Thats the thing though - we are totally dependant on other teams dropping points when in fact the staying up should be in our own hands.
NEED to beat Sunderland and Bolton, then we're safe - just.
McLeish has tried his best to send us down, going down seems to be in his DNA, but in spite of that, we should just about stay up.
Two other teams also have to overtake us.NEED to beat Sunderland and Bolton, then we're safe - just.
McLeish has tried his best to send us down, going down seems to be in his DNA, but in spite of that, we should just about stay up.
I really thought we'd be okay after the Liverpool draw, but with Wigan beating Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal I'm not convinced.
Several media pundits would like us to go down. The lovely people on R5L are certainly gagging for it and The Guardian's "5 things we learned from thid weekend's football" includes - at No. 1 - Villa should go down.
given our football this season, I can't say I blame them TBH.
Just looked at the table to see we're 6 points clear, which reassured me.
"Wolves Obviously" have helped by claiming a spot for themseves, my money is on QPR and Bolton to join them.Blackburn are going to struggle - they didn't look great with Hoilett and Yakubu and now the two of them are injured I don't really see how they can score, let alone win.
We have been sleepwalking into this situation all season.
We're now 16/1 with Coral. Blackburn and QPR odds-on, Wigan sixes.
We have been sleepwalking into this situation all season.
HOUSE!
Yes! I only needed this one for a full house in Relegation Cliché Bingo.
We're now 16/1 with Coral. Blackburn and QPR odds-on, Wigan sixes.
Weren't we 10/1 before the weekend?
Just goes to show that overall results went in our favour, other than Wigan.
Assuming Villa get no points at all from our remaining 5 games, three of the following would have to happen for us to get relegated.
Wigan get 2 draws from 4 games. Very likely.
QPR get at least 1 win and 2 draws from 4 games. Not impossible, but they have a tough run-in
Bolton get at least 2 wins and a draw from 6 games. They have an easier run-in, and one of those wins would have been against us.
Blackburn get at least 2 wins and 2 draws from 4 games. Highly unlikely.
Wolves have to win all 4 remaining games AND make up a 26 goal difference on us. Virtually impossible.
If we win just one game (or get 3 draws), I'd say we'd stay up.
Assuming Villa get no points at all from our remaining 5 games, three of the following would have to happen for us to get relegated.
Wigan get 2 draws from 4 games. Very likely.
QPR get at least 1 win and 2 draws from 4 games. Not impossible, but they have a tough run-in
Bolton get at least 2 wins and a draw from 6 games. They have an easier run-in, and one of those wins would have been against us.
Blackburn get at least 2 wins and 2 draws from 4 games. Highly unlikely.
Wolves have to win all 4 remaining games AND make up a 26 goal difference on us. Virtually impossible.
If we win just one game (or get 3 draws), I'd say we'd stay up.
More pragmatically. Assume Wigan will pass us, and Blackburn and Wolves are going down. That means wee have to stay ahead of QPR or Bolton to stay up. It is quite conceivable we could, say, draw against Sunderland, and lose against Bolton (handing Bolton, who already have a game in hand, one of their wins. It then becomes very tight, and we could be relying on QPR to have a bad run. That is what really worries me.
As an aside to, "Have we got the best youngsters in the league?" thread, I was wondering whether we've actually got a better team than our relegation rivals. The team we have put out in the last few weeks, and the one we will have to put out for the remainder of the season looks so young and so inexperienced.
Do we in fact even have a better side on paper than Bolton, QPR, Blackburn or Wigan??? We lost Young and Downing in the summer, and with the injury to Bent and Petrov's illness, do we have a first team that is good enough to stay up?
The media might seem surprised we are where we are, but have a look at the team sheets of late and compare them with our rivals. ..
Extrapolating from what has happened so far this season, I'll say we'll get 40 points.
Home against truly shit teams, like Blackburn and Wigan, we win. So we'll beat Bolton.
Against average teams we scrape a draw. So we'll draw against Norwich and Spurs (which is an average team on recent form).
If a possible outcome can piss of the fans, it'll happen. So we'll lose against MON's Sunderland and rivals WBA.
Extrapolating from what has happened so far this season, I'll say we'll get 40 points.
Home against truly shit teams, like Blackburn and Wigan, we win. So we'll beat Bolton.
Against average teams we scrape a draw. So we'll draw against Norwich and Spurs (which is an average team on recent form).
If a possible outcome can piss of the fans, it'll happen. So we'll lose against MON's Sunderland and rivals WBA.
They've already beaten us once at VP this season though (when we had a fully fit squad to hand), so hard to buy your logic on that one!
And then when we played against their first team a few weeks later we spent 60 minutes making them look like a League One side.Extrapolating from what has happened so far this season, I'll say we'll get 40 points.
Home against truly shit teams, like Blackburn and Wigan, we win. So we'll beat Bolton.
Against average teams we scrape a draw. So we'll draw against Norwich and Spurs (which is an average team on recent form).
If a possible outcome can piss of the fans, it'll happen. So we'll lose against MON's Sunderland and rivals WBA.
They've already beaten us once at VP this season though (when we had a fully fit squad to hand), so hard to buy your logic on that one!
True. And, if I remember correctly, Coyle rested 9 players and we didn't have a shot on target until the 87th minute.
And then when we played against their first team a few weeks later we spent 60 minutes making them look like a League One side.Extrapolating from what has happened so far this season, I'll say we'll get 40 points.
Home against truly shit teams, like Blackburn and Wigan, we win. So we'll beat Bolton.
Against average teams we scrape a draw. So we'll draw against Norwich and Spurs (which is an average team on recent form).
If a possible outcome can piss of the fans, it'll happen. So we'll lose against MON's Sunderland and rivals WBA.
They've already beaten us once at VP this season though (when we had a fully fit squad to hand), so hard to buy your logic on that one!
True. And, if I remember correctly, Coyle rested 9 players and we didn't have a shot on target until the 87th minute.
I can't see where the goals are going to come from. I hope I'm wrong but we're hardly free flowing at the best of times, with Darren Bent or not. Beat either Sunderland or Bolton and we are safe. Trouble is, I really can't see it. Two draws at best, which might also prove to be enough. I can see Villa dropping to 16th or 17th but being safe.
we will survive this season but statistically, if AM is in charge, we will go down next season, as he simply can't win enough games. The wider question is, if nothing changes, i.e. the holy trinity of RL, AM and PF remain, they may not have a business to preside over for very much longer. No one will want to join, players we may wish to keep may well want to leave, those players we want to go will stay as they know they will not command their hugely inflated salaries anywhere else,fans will stay away due to the mind-dumbing mediocrity of the entertainment on offer, investors and sponsors will look at more exciting, progressive and entertaining options, etc etc. I realise this sounds like a doomsday senario and I pray it never comes to fruition, but its not totally inconceiveable that it might.Spot on. Its my biggest worry is the damage done to the club, we're already financially in the shit and now our reputaion and image to other supporters and clubs is really being turned on its head.
we will survive this season but statistically, if AM is in charge, we will go down next season, as he simply can't win enough games. The wider question is, if nothing changes, i.e. the holy trinity of RL, AM and PF remain, they may not have a business to preside over for very much longer. No one will want to join, players we may wish to keep may well want to leave, those players we want to go will stay as they know they will not command their hugely inflated salaries anywhere else,fans will stay away due to the mind-dumbing mediocrity of the entertainment on offer, investors and sponsors will look at more exciting, progressive and entertaining options, etc etc. I realise this sounds like a doomsday senario and I pray it never comes to fruition, but its not totally inconceiveable that it might.This.
its not going down to the last day, the worry will be all over for us after the next 2 gamesI hope you are right but i still see a nail biting last day of the season with us involved big time.
its not going down to the last day, the worry will be all over for us after the next 2 games
Exciting, isn't it?
Exciting, isn't it?
Not going down, no way.
we will survive this season but statistically, if AM is in charge, we will go down next season, as he simply can't win enough games. The wider question is, if nothing changes, i.e. the holy trinity of RL, AM and PF remain, they may not have a business to preside over for very much longer. No one will want to join, players we may wish to keep may well want to leave, those players we want to go will stay as they know they will not command their hugely inflated salaries anywhere else,fans will stay away due to the mind-dumbing mediocrity of the entertainment on offer, investors and sponsors will look at more exciting, progressive and entertaining options, etc etc. I realise this sounds like a doomsday senario and I pray it never comes to fruition, but its not totally inconceiveable that it might.
Not going down, no way.
Is that Rocky!!!!!
Don't think you can prove it with stats, but it seems that when a team survives marginally one season they often go down the next, unless there is a change of manager, large investment in the squad, or big turnover of players etc.
Not going down, no way.
Is that Rocky!!!!!
Wolves,Blackburn,Villa are 33/1 to go down as a three with sky bet.Wolves, the eclipse of Venus and postage stamps going down are 45/1 with Ladbrokes.
QPR winning at half time against Spurs.
Just to show how worrying things could get if we were to lose to Bolton on Wednesday, the table would look like this
Aston Villa 35 36
QPR 35 34
Bolton 34 34
Wigan 35 34
Blackburn 35 31
Wolves 34 23
That is what I call very frightening.
QPR winning at half time against Spurs.
Just to show how worrying things could get if we were to lose to Bolton on Wednesday, the table would look like this
Aston Villa 35 36
QPR 35 34
Bolton 34 34
Wigan 35 34
Blackburn 35 31
Wolves 34 23
That is what I call very frightening.
QPR winning at half time against Spurs.
Just to show how worrying things could get if we were to lose to Bolton on Wednesday, the table would look like this
Aston Villa 35 36
QPR 35 34
Bolton 34 34
Wigan 35 34
Blackburn 35 31
Wolves 34 23
That is what I call very frightening.
Your table is wrong mate as Bolton would only have 33 points.
on our current form we have picked up points in 3 out of our last 4 games, thats the facts,
this has been against teams where a lot of people said 'they couldnt see where the next point is coming from' and even the likes of Sunderland were going to smash us !
why do people think this will change dramatically, why we cant keep going on like we are, playing not really very good but good enough to pick up a few more points, i sugest this is what will happen.
It seems to me though, that every other team below us can beat a good side on their day. We can't beat a good or bad side regardless of our day for the most part.
QPR have to go to Chelsea and Man City and are at home to stoke in the other so one point will probably do us...I dont see them getting much at Citeh or Chelsea, but Stoke at home the last day of the season i think they will win.
Blackburn vs Wigan could be a biggie...hopefully we will be nice and safe by then...
Fab season when you are hoping for a point at home to a relegation threatened, out of form Bolton side...
Every week people say Wigan have this tough game, or QPR won't get anything against Spurs etc. And yet every week a team or two is coming up with a result apart from us.been told we allready have enough points to stay up, its now pretty obvious we dont.
Nothing is going our way. I've just posted on another thread that we look like we'll be depending on teams below us to stop picking up vital wins. Two more draws might be enough if Blackburn and Bolton go to pieces.I would not even back us to get a draw at Norwich if it comes down to that. Not lose to Bolton and we can breathe again. Its all about Bolton now.
If it came down to it and we ended up needing three points at Norwich, would you fancy us to deliver?
John e must be sweating on the £500 he promised this site if we go downIncidentally Richard - to return to a previous tête-à-tête of ours, NOW we're the second worst team on current form after Wolves...
John e must be sweating on the £500 he promised this site if we go downIncidentally Richard - to return to a previous tête-à-tête of ours, NOW we're the second worst team on current form after Wolves...
(winky emoticon)
Qpr play Man city away on the last day, might make you feel slightly betterQPR have to go to Chelsea and Man City and are at home to stoke in the other so one point will probably do us...I dont see them getting much at Citeh or Chelsea, but Stoke at home the last day of the season i think they will win.
Blackburn vs Wigan could be a biggie...hopefully we will be nice and safe by then...
Fab season when you are hoping for a point at home to a relegation threatened, out of form Bolton side...
Calm the fuck down we've still got a gap and unless we lose Tuesday we're safe. Even then spurs look crap, wba are crap and Norwich have there sombreros on already.wise words mate
Calm the fuck down we've still got a gap and unless we lose Tuesday we're safe. Even then spurs look crap, wba are crap and Norwich have there sombreros on already.
Calm the fuck down we've still got a gap and unless we lose Tuesday we're safe. Even then spurs look crap, wba are crap and Norwich have there sombreros on already.
I can't remember the last time we lost to Bolton at home can you lovejoy?!!!! Neither Spurs or WBA are crap, we most certainly are though. And then there's Norwich, last game of the season, go out on a bang, thank you to the fans etc etc. Whilst I still think we will stay up, this absolute certainty that we we will - as if it's unequivocal - is, as I said above, deeply mystifying.
Calm the fuck down we've still got a gap and unless we lose Tuesday we're safe. Even then spurs look crap, wba are crap and Norwich have there sombreros on already.
I can't remember the last time we lost to Bolton at home can you lovejoy?!!!! Neither Spurs or WBA are crap, we most certainly are though. And then there's Norwich, last game of the season, go out on a bang, thank you to the fans etc etc. Whilst I still think we will stay up, this absolute certainty that we we will - as if it's unequivocal - is, as I said above, deeply mystifying.
Oh, and by the way Lovejoy, I hope you are utterly right in what you say, I really do!
"some of this forum would be suicidal".Already are mate.More jaigermeister please!Calm the fuck down we've still got a gap and unless we lose Tuesday we're safe. Even then spurs look crap, wba are crap and Norwich have there sombreros on already.
I can't remember the last time we lost to Bolton at home can you lovejoy?!!!! Neither Spurs or WBA are crap, we most certainly are though. And then there's Norwich, last game of the season, go out on a bang, thank you to the fans etc etc. Whilst I still think we will stay up, this absolute certainty that we we will - as if it's unequivocal - is, as I said above, deeply mystifying.
Oh, and by the way Lovejoy, I hope you are utterly right in what you say, I really do!
Well quite. I'm not saying we are unequivocally safe but when you think it through its pretty unlikely and if you dont believe me pile on at 14/1 at betfair. If we don't lose to Bolton I cant see us going down.
I'd hate to think what it would be like if we were in the same boat as Blackburn or Bolton some on this forum would be suicidal.
Going down to 'the championship' should be unthinkable for Aston villa 2012.Isn't it sad that we are hoping to beat Bolton on Tuesday,at home,to try and keep our premier league status?Fuckin ridiculous state of affairs in my book.When old pubehead left us in the shite i bet non of us connected with Villa thought that we would be in this mess.To me and many others its f..kin obvious what we have to do.I will say no more cause i will start ranting and then i will get told off.But it is fu..in obvious,isn't it?
We are still right in the shit folks. Bolton is 'must win'.
Calm the fuck down we've still got a gap and unless we lose Tuesday we're safe. Even then spurs look crap, wba are crap and Norwich have there sombreros on already.
| 15 | QPR | 38 | 11 | 7 | 19 | 40 | ||||||
| 16 | Wigan | 38 | 10 | 10 | 18 | 40 | ||||||
| 17 | Aston Villa | 38 | 7 | 18 | 13 | 39 | ||||||
| 18 | Bolton | 38 | 11 | 4 | 23 | 37 | ||||||
| 19 | Blackburn | 38 | 9 | 7 | 22 | 34 | ||||||
| 20 | Wolves | 38 | 5 | 9 | 24 | 24 |
This will be the end table assuming that we and the teams around us continue their current form:
15 QPR 38 11 7 19 40 16 Wigan 38 10 10 18 40 17 Aston Villa 38 7 18 13 39 18 Bolton 38 11 4 23 37 19 Blackburn 38 9 7 22 34 20 Wolves 38 5 9 24 24
Calm the fuck down we've still got a gap and unless we lose Tuesday we're safe. Even then spurs look crap, wba are crap and Norwich have there sombreros on already.
Would love to have your confidence. Really would. I had us down on 37 points on the predictor thing. It would be possible to drop in on the last day of the season.
I really think we'll lose on Tuesday and end up going down.
still think bolton are the only one who can do us, so the swansea draw was a result for us. Blackburn could stay up but not at our expense i reckon. If bolton beat us then the alarms bells will really be going but i can't see it.
I can't remember the last time we lost to Bolton at home can you lovejoy?!!!! Neither Spurs or WBA are crap, we most certainly are though. And then there's Norwich, last game of the season, go out on a bang, thank you to the fans etc etc. Whilst I still think we will stay up, this absolute certainty that we we will - as if it's unequivocal - is, as I said above, deeply mystifying.
I really think we'll lose on Tuesday and end up going down.
You really are excessively negative.
Our team from the League Cup game earlier this season -
01 Given
02 Hutton
03 Warnock
05 Dunne
06 Collins
07 Ireland
12 Albrighton (N'Zogbia - 73' )
19 Petrov
25 Bannan
11 Agbonlahor
14 Delfouneso
It was a weakened Bolton side that beat us that night.
still think bolton are the only one who can do us, so the swansea draw was a result for us. Blackburn could stay up but not at our expense i reckon. If bolton beat us then the alarms bells will really be going but i can't see it.
This is pretty much how I see it. However, while I don't think we'll lose on Tuesday, it's very possible and there's little between the two sides.
Plus they've already won at Villa Park this season.
I really think we'll lose on Tuesday and end up going down.
You really are excessively negative.
Hardly excessive. In terms of probability it's a definite possibility.
I really think we'll lose on Tuesday and end up going down.
You really are excessively negative.
Hardly excessive. In terms of probability it's a definite possibility.
It is possible but still at this point unlikely and yet you believe this will happen.
I really think we'll lose on Tuesday and end up going down.
I really think we'll lose on Tuesday and end up going down.
You really are excessively negative.
Hardly excessive. In terms of probability it's a definite possibility.
It is possible but still at this point unlikely and yet you believe this will happen.
Feel free to gloat should we stay up.
We will not go down. NOT AS LONG AS I HAVE A HOLE IN MY ARSE!!!!FUCK!!WHERE DID THAT HOLE GO?I really think we'll lose on Tuesday and end up going down.
No we won't.
Our team from the League Cup game earlier this season -
01 Given
02 Hutton
03 Warnock
05 Dunne
06 Collins
07 Ireland
12 Albrighton (N'Zogbia - 73' )
19 Petrov
25 Bannan
11 Agbonlahor
14 Delfouneso
It was a weakened Bolton side that beat us that night.
Let's face it... even our strongest team is crap.
Even if we do survive this season (and on that it's 50/50 ).For the umpteenth time, no it's not.
They'll be alright this season but next season - without a relatively successful start like this one and without too many new faces - i think it'll happen.If McLeish is in charge you put your house on us getting relegated next season. Very depressing football wise but could make a few bob quickly
Even if we do survive this season (and on that it's 50/50 ).For the umpteenth time, no it's not.
It's more like 90/10.
Even if we do survive this season (and on that it's 50/50 ).For the umpteenth time, no it's not.
It's more like 90/10.
Thanks John, i'm happiest on this thread reading posts like yours - gives me perspective which when you have to stay up until 2am to watch each uninspiring 0-0 you desperately need.
You want stats? Form table -last six games:
Wigan 3rd in table with 12 points
QPR 10th 9 points
Bolton 8th 10 pts
Blackburn 18th 3 points
VILLA 19th 3 points. That's second from bottom with only Blackburn having a bad run of form.
For the umpteenth time we are terrible and getting worse FGS.
How likely is it that the bookies, who's very livelihood depends on having the odds right, have the odds wrong?
John, could we at least make a provisional date for the relegation party your £500 might be funding? It's always nice to get dates in the diary ;-)
How likely is it that the bookies, who's very livelihood depends on having the odds right, have the odds wrong?
How likely is it that the bookies, who's very livelihood depends on having the odds right, have the odds wrong?
Have you ever made a mistake at work? Doing the thing your very livelihood depends on.
Why don't you pop over to Oddschecker and explain to me why Bet365 will give you 14-1 against us dropping whilst William Hill will only give 9-1. Setting odds is not an exact science and I believe that at the moment they are pricing on the basis of current league position without enough consideration of form.
I think the bookies have us priced wrong to be honest. Yes, we're still 5 points clear of relegation and there's a game less to go, but since Easter all the teams below us have bunched up and if upcoming results were the worst they possibly could be we could be 17th next weekend, above Bolton on goal difference alone.
It's not good.
My feelings towards McLeish haven't changed. He's a nice bloke that I do not dislike but as a manager he's a hack.
I don't even really blame him for how things have panned out. Firstly I blame Randy for even considering appointing him and then he's had wretched luck with injuries that would have otherwise seen us well clear of any relegation worries, but there you go.
Randy appointed a poor manager and has had poor performance as a result. You usually get what you pay for.
But as john says, if you really believe we are going to be relegated, get your bets in while the odds are in your favour.
Then come back and tell us how much you've won in May. In the meantime spare us the Chicken Licken updates every few hours. It's tedious.
On the basis that the £500 would secure us a good venue and perhaps fund the booze John, I can do a coleslaw and a decent rice salad and my wife does a very nice marshmallow dessert with fresh strawberries, yoghurt and whipped cream. I am conscious of doubling up on the food...
What do you believe the odds should be on Villa being relegated and why?
You want stats? Form table -last six games:
Wigan 3rd in table with 12 points
QPR 10th 9 points
Bolton 8th 10 pts
Blackburn 18th 3 points
VILLA 19th 3 points. That's second from bottom with only Blackburn having a bad run of form.
For the umpteenth time we are terrible and getting worse FGS.
Form is the major worry.
Using simple averages (because you can't predict individual games at this stage of a season) based on those figures it could easily pan out like this:
Club Points
Wigan 40 (two wins and a defeat)
QPR 39 (a win and two draws)
Villa 38 (two draws and two defeats)
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Bolton 38 (two wins, two draws and a defeat)
Blackburn 33 (two draws and a defeat)
That would have us staying up on goal difference unless Bolton managed to turn around a 16 goal deficit. But as we've seen with Wigan beating Arsenal, QPR beating Spurs, etc anything can and does happen at this stage of a season. The way things are poised doesn't leave us much breathing space at all.
I think the bookies have us priced wrong to be honest. Yes, we're still 5 points clear of relegation and there's a game less to go, but since Easter all the teams below us have bunched up and if upcoming results were the worst they possibly could be we could be 17th next weekend, above Bolton on goal difference alone.
It's not good.
I think the bookies have us priced wrong to be honest. Yes, we're still 5 points clear of relegation and there's a game less to go, but since Easter all the teams below us have bunched up and if upcoming results were the worst they possibly could be we could be 17th next weekend, above Bolton on goal difference alone.
It's not good.
I agree entirely. I think many of the bookies simply look at the table, and are not quite as swithced oin regards form and existing games as many of us who have been poring over the fixtures for weeks. But if we lose one game, the Bolton game, of which there is a good chance, we could easily not get another point this seaso. It then only needs Bolton, QPR and Wigan to win one further game each.
You don't see any bookies go out of business. Even in a recession.
It's all very well saying that but have you seen Blackburns and QPR's run in?
Blackburn - Spurs (a), Wigan (h), Chelsea (a)
QPR - Chelsea (a), Stoke (h), Man City (a)
Blackburn have been on a horrendus run of form lately. QPR are ok at home. Let's not forget they've not suddenly turned into Barca...
QPR unbeaten in those games? not gonna happen.
You don't see any bookies go out of business. Even in a recession.
I reckon 37points will be safety this year for us as long as we keep the goal difference down and only lose by 1 or 2 goals. We can rule Wolves as been down.
Aston Villa - Bolton (h) West Brom (a) Spurs (h) Norwich (a) LDLL 37 points
QPR - Chelsea (a) Stoke (h) Man City (a) LWL 36 points (relegated) They only win @ home
Wigan - Newcastle (h) Blackburn (a) Wolves (h) LDW 38 points
Blackburn - Spurs (a) Wigan (h) Chelsea (a) WDL 35 points (relegated)
Bolton - Aston villa (a) Sunderland (a) Spurs (h) West Brom (h) Stoke (a) WLDWL 37 points
Really hate QPR so hope they go down...........
I said last week I thought it would all rest on the Bolton game, and I think that remains the case. If we lose on Tuesday I fear the worst. A draw might just be enough for us to see off Blackburn and to fend off Bolton, if not the other two. I'm bricking it.
Yes, yes, but did you go anywhere nice?
How likely is it that the bookies, who's very livelihood depends on having the odds right, have the odds wrong?
Have you ever made a mistake at work? Doing the thing your very livelihood depends on.
Why don't you pop over to Oddschecker and explain to me why Bet365 will give you 14-1 against us dropping whilst William Hill will only give 9-1. Setting odds is not an exact science and I believe that at the moment they are pricing on the basis of current league position without enough consideration of form.
The odds also depend on what the bookies take in bets. If lots of people decided on Monday morning to go and bet big amounts on Villa going down, you'd see the odds go down sharpish. I don't think we will go down, but think that the possibility is more than 10-1.
How likely is it that the bookies, who's very livelihood depends on having the odds right, have the odds wrong?
Have you ever made a mistake at work? Doing the thing your very livelihood depends on.
Why don't you pop over to Oddschecker and explain to me why Bet365 will give you 14-1 against us dropping whilst William Hill will only give 9-1. Setting odds is not an exact science and I believe that at the moment they are pricing on the basis of current league position without enough consideration of form.
Good, well stick your bloody house on it then. You seem so sure we're doomed you might as well make a fortune out of it.
Go on.
Don't get me wrong, I still think we'll stay up but I think it's going to be so bum-clenchingly close it doesn't bear thinking about. I wish I could be as utterly confident about staying up at a canter as some of the posters on here.
Ah last year, when I was cheering every Bolton victory like they were my own beloved Villa, as they achieved the seemingly impossible and hauled back Alex McLeish's points advantage.
Those were the days. :-(
The divide between safety and the drop is a very fine line.
Imagine if Weiman hadn't scrambled the 93rd minute Fulham goal and if the Sunderland 'goal' had been allowed. Then see where we are. In theory other teams have too much to do to catch us but that was said about SHA at this stage last year.
Tomorrow is bloody critical.
The divide between safety and the drop is a very fine line.
Imagine if Weiman hadn't scrambled the 93rd minute Fulham goal and if the Sunderland 'goal' had been allowed. Then see where we are. In theory other teams have too much to do to catch us but that was said about SHA at this stage last year.
Tomorrow is bloody critical.
so 5 points clear at this stage of the season is a 'very fine line' ?
The divide between safety and the drop is a very fine line.
Imagine if Weiman hadn't scrambled the 93rd minute Fulham goal and if the Sunderland 'goal' had been allowed. Then see where we are. In theory other teams have too much to do to catch us but that was said about SHA at this stage last year.
Tomorrow is bloody critical.
so 5 points clear at this stage of the season is a 'very fine line' ?
I'd say it is.
The divide between safety and the drop is a very fine line.
Imagine if Weiman hadn't scrambled the 93rd minute Fulham goal and if the Sunderland 'goal' had been allowed. Then see where we are. In theory other teams have too much to do to catch us but that was said about SHA at this stage last year.
Tomorrow is bloody critical.
I hope you are right. I think you are. Still say we are in danger though.
But the 'fine line' comment was after a played a bit of "what if" and realised how close things could have been if Fulham had been a draw and Sunderland goal was given. So yes, forgive the bleeding obvious hindsight comment but it is possible we stay up because of a very, very late scrambled goal and a strikers arm being given offside...
That is a fine line.
I hope you are right. I think you are. Still say we are in danger though.
But the 'fine line' comment was after a played a bit of "what if" and realised how close things could have been if Fulham had been a draw and Sunderland goal was given. So yes, forgive the bleeding obvious hindsight comment but it is possible we stay up because of a very, very late scrambled goal and a strikers arm being given offside...
That is a fine line.
Over 38 games every team will have scored or conceded late scrambled goals and been on the right and wrong side of poor decisions. All 20 teams will finish in exactly the position they deserve to finish in. The only time you could argue otherwise is when a team has been docked points for going into administration.
If we stay up it will be because, after we've all played each other home and away, it'll be proved that there are at least three teams who have been worse than us over the full season.
i reckon there is more chance of us losing every game and still staying up than actually getting relegated
i reckon there is more chance of us losing every game and still staying up than actually getting relegated
I don't think we'll go down, but if we lose our next two, and Bolton, Wigan and QPR all win at the weekend, we'll be 17th and level on points with Bolton. Now that scenario is highly unlikely, but it also suggests that it's not as cut and dried as we think, and if anybody can ensure that we get dragged into it a bit deeper, it's McLeish.
It has probably already been mentioned but I'm worried if Chelsea get through to the Champs League final they may play weaker teams in their games v QPR and Blackburn.
Previously I'd have had these down as defeats for our rivals.
We must avoid defeat tomorrow- if we lose to bolton i think we we will finish on 36 points, as i dont see anything in the last 3 games- get at least a point against bolton and we should be ok- im flying to the canaries on weds so am praying we are out of this mess tomorrow night!
It has probably already been mentioned but I'm worried if Chelsea get through to the Champs League final they may play weaker teams in their games v QPR and Blackburn.
Previously I'd have had these down as defeats for our rivals.
Dont worry- chelsea will not get to the final!
if we do lose tomorow, it will make the last few games really exciting :)
if we do lose tomorow, it will make the last few games really exciting :)
I rather we beat Bolton then had a boring end of the season.
Jeez, one of them is here!!! Run for the hills!!!
Smells in here, has someone farted?
Smells in here, has someone farted?
That'll be the fish ;)
Thought you'd be used to it.
I've just done the predictor again being as realistic as I can. I have us going down with bLackburn, we are one point behind QPR.Is you bring realistic,having us losing 4 games on the trot and everybody else around us winning by any chance?
I've just done the predictor again being as realistic as I can. I have us going down with bLackburn, we are one point behind QPR.
I did the BBC redictor, had us finish 16th, with Blackburn & Bolton going down...
Just above wigan with QPR jumping us...
I think people are being unrealistic in their aspirations regarding Villa, us actually winning a game!. I do think we will stay up but certainly not due to our own endevours but rather the lack of ability of other teams.
I think people are being unrealistic in their aspirations regarding Villa, us actually winning a game!. I do think we will stay up but certainly not due to our own endevours but rather the lack of ability of other teams.I think you may be right Archie. Just.
No.
No.
Go on... Elaborate, it might make me feel better.
No.
Go on... Elaborate, it might make me feel better.
Blind faith and optimism.
Does that help?
No.
Go on... Elaborate, it might make me feel better.
Blind faith and optimism.
Does that help?
Soz, no.
I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teeth
I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teethI don't think I've ever seen anyone so delighted at a Villa defeat. It's a bit sad really.
I hope you weren't planning on anywhere exotic for your hols this year John. Newport Pagnell services for you I'm afraid, with maybe a day out at Emberton Park if you're lucky.I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teeth
its a a small setback nothing more
its not going down to the last day, the worry will be all over for us after the next 2 games
I hope you weren't planning on anywhere exotic for your hols this year John. Newport Pagnell services for you I'm afraid, with maybe a day out at Emberton Park if you're lucky.I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teeth
its a a small setback nothing more
I think we'll still stay up. Even if we don't get another point and both QPR and Wigan were to bypass us, Bolton need 4 more points and Blackburn 6 more (given their goal difference is much worse than ours). Neither is likely.
We'll stay up and McLeish will be our manager at the start of next season.
I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teethI don't think I've ever seen anyone so delighted at a Villa defeat. It's a bit sad really.
And no, I still don't think we're going to go down.
I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teeth
its not going down to the last day, the worry will be all over for us after the next 2 games
Well you're half right...
I think we'll still stay up. Even if we don't get another point and both QPR and Wigan were to bypass us, Bolton need 4 more points and Blackburn 6 more (given their goal difference is much worse than ours). Neither is likely.
We'll stay up and McLeish will be our manager at the start of next season.
Bolton have four matches left:
Sunderland (a)
Spurs (h)
Albion (h)
Stoke (a)
I can quite easily see them getting four points from that.
The most important thing now is the way the momentum is with teams. Bolton will be lifted by today, and confident.
We, on the other hand, have not won a single one of our last seven matches. What kind of momentum is that?
Sorry,its not going down to the last day, the worry will be all over for us after the next 2 games
Well you're half right...
Sorry, re-read that and it's not half right!
I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teeth
Nope. You assume wrong.
Incidentally, how can the 'no way we will go down' brigade be spectacuarly wrong if we don't go down? Surely the fact that we didn't go down would make your imaginary brigade corract?
I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teethI don't think I've ever seen anyone so delighted at a Villa defeat. It's a bit sad really.
And no, I still don't think we're going to go down.
Completely incorrect Dave and out of order for you to say that. I thought you were better than that. Very sad to see you write in that way, try asking the posters on here who know me in person if they think that is what I am like. I am solely having a go at all those who were taking the mick out of us doubters for the last few weeks, sometimes in quite a nasty fashion. I shan't bother to post again if you are going to say such utterly ridiculous things
I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teeth
Nope. You assume wrong.
Incidentally, how can the 'no way we will go down' brigade be spectacuarly wrong if we don't go down? Surely the fact that we didn't go down would make your imaginary brigade corract?
It's the 'no way we will go down' that I was commenting on because that has proved to be a spectacularly wrong judgement
I am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teethI don't think I've ever seen anyone so delighted at a Villa defeat. It's a bit sad really.
And no, I still don't think we're going to go down.
Completely incorrect Dave and out of order for you to say that. I thought you were better than that. Very sad to see you write in that way, try asking the posters on here who know me in person if they think that is what I am like. I am solely having a go at all those who were taking the mick out of us doubters for the last few weeks, sometimes in quite a nasty fashion. I shan't bother to post again if you are going to say such utterly ridiculous things
I think Richard, and I'm sure you didn't mean it like that, the problem was that you lumped everyone who doesn't think we will be relegated into one group, accused them of making silly 'girls blouses' comments and then were quite scathing of their views. It's asking for trouble on a night where everyone is feeling pretty down. I don't think we'll go down, but I certainly haven't called anyone a big girls blouse or anything similar.
No worriesI am assuming all the 'no way we will go down, stop being big girls' blouses' brigade have now left the party? Because you have been spectacularly wrong I'm afraid even if we do now scrape it by the skin of our teethI don't think I've ever seen anyone so delighted at a Villa defeat. It's a bit sad really.
And no, I still don't think we're going to go down.
Completely incorrect Dave and out of order for you to say that. I thought you were better than that. Very sad to see you write in that way, try asking the posters on here who know me in person if they think that is what I am like. I am solely having a go at all those who were taking the mick out of us doubters for the last few weeks, sometimes in quite a nasty fashion. I shan't bother to post again if you are going to say such utterly ridiculous things
I think Richard, and I'm sure you didn't mean it like that, the problem was that you lumped everyone who doesn't think we will be relegated into one group, accused them of making silly 'girls blouses' comments and then were quite scathing of their views. It's asking for trouble on a night where everyone is feeling pretty down. I don't think we'll go down, but I certainly haven't called anyone a big girls blouse or anything similar.
Actually, I haven't said that at all. I was aiming my comment at those who have said we will stay up in no uncertain terms and have been extremely scathing at those of us who said that relegations was a real possibility, not at all of those who have expressed the view we will be ok (if that makes sense!
Sorry,its not going down to the last day, the worry will be all over for us after the next 2 games
Well you're half right...
Sorry, re-read that and it's not half right!
calm down, it'l all turn out alright in the end,
trust me, i'm a Truck Salesman
We'll stuff The Olbiyun, don't worry everyone.
We'll stuff The Olbiyun, don't worry everyone.
can i just remind everyone that Aston Villa did not get relegated tonight,
there are still 5 teams below us in the league and we are 3 points clear with only 3 games to play
We're going down. Just like we were at the start of the season. Just like we were on 17th June 2011 when that poor excuse for a manager was brought in by the totally inept Randy Lerner.
I lost all enthusiasm for the club at that point and decided not to renew as enough was enough.
I won't be going back in a long time. They say you have to experience the bad to appreciate the good times, but boy am I not thinking like that.
I'll look out for the results, come on here occassionally, but my love for Aston Villa has come to and end.
can i just remind everyone that Aston Villa did not get relegated tonight,
there are still 5 teams below us in the league and we are 3 points clear with only 3 games to play
can i just remind everyone that Aston Villa did not get relegated tonight,
there are still 5 teams below us in the league and we are 3 points clear with only 3 games to play
From the time Dunne and then Collins got injured we were in trouble squad wise, we are so thin on the ground for senior players it was injuries that would haunt us. All those that were for playing the kids this is what you get, they tried their hearts out tonight but once Davies came on our defence were in trouble.
can i just remind everyone that Aston Villa did not get relegated tonight,
there are still 5 teams below us in the league and we are 3 points clear with only 3 games to play
Do you expect us to get another point? I don't.
Wolves and Blackburn are almost certainly down.
QPR play Chelsea and KMan City, but also Stoke at home. Stoke won't have anything to play for, I expect a QPR win putting them a point ahead of us.
Bolton play Tottenham, Stoke, Sunderland and West Brom. 4 points seem doable from that lot
Wigan have a tough game against NEwcastle, but then have Wolves and Blackburn, so while it can't be taken for granted, 6 points is a real possibility.
We;ve jsut lost to a relgation contender. We;ve won 1 game in 13 matches, and haven't won at home in 5 months.
I can see us getting 1 point from the next 3, against Norwich, maybe.
The bookies still have us as outsiders for relwgation down to 5 to one though.
can i just remind everyone that Aston Villa did not get relegated tonight,
there are still 5 teams below us in the league and we are 3 points clear with only 3 games to play
Do you expect us to get another point? I don't.
Wolves and Blackburn are almost certainly down.
QPR play Chelsea and KMan City, but also Stoke at home. Stoke won't have anything to play for, I expect a QPR win putting them a point ahead of us.
Bolton play Tottenham, Stoke, Sunderland and West Brom. 4 points seem doable from that lot
Wigan have a tough game against NEwcastle, but then have Wolves and Blackburn, so while it can't be taken for granted, 6 points is a real possibility.
We;ve jsut lost to a relgation contender. We;ve won 1 game in 13 matches, and haven't won at home in 5 months.
I can see us getting 1 point from the next 3, against Norwich, maybe.
these prediction things are just rubbish,
Chelsea just knocked out the greatest football team of all times with 10 men and no centre halfs.
who'd have thought it
From the time Dunne and then Collins got injured we were in trouble squad wise, we are so thin on the ground for senior players it was injuries that would haunt us. All those that were for playing the kids this is what you get, they tried their hearts out tonight but once Davies came on our defence were in trouble.
That's bollocks I'm afraid. The inept performances by Dunne and Collins (along with others) earlier in the season put us in this position. Playing the kids is fine and is something we should've done more of in recent times, dumping them at the shit end of the season and expecting them to save us is unfair to them. Doing it whilst playing half them out of position in a play style totally at odds with everything they've been trained is asking for the trouble we're in.
Let's face it, he's not exactly a great manager for motivating his teams in either local derbies or relegation battles, is he?
We may as well not turn up against Albion.
Is mazrim around tonight? He had a go at me earlier because I dared suggest that we would be relegated. What does he think now? If he still thinks we will stay up then it's he who is not in the same postcode as reality.There is a chance we will go down, but we are hardly dead certs. Also, gloating about a potential relegation doesn't sit too pretty with me.
Let's face it, he's not exactly a great manager for motivating his teams in either local derbies or relegation battles, is he?
We may as well not turn up against Albion.
Did you see the abject display Blues put in against Fulham at this stage of the season last year?
Let's face it, he's not exactly a great manager for motivating his teams in either local derbies or relegation battles, is he?
We may as well not turn up against Albion.
Did you see the abject display Blues put in against Fulham at this stage of the season last year?
Let's face it, he's not exactly a great manager for motivating his teams in either local derbies or relegation battles, is he?
We may as well not turn up against Albion.
Did you see the abject display Blues put in against Fulham at this stage of the season last year?
Yeah, 2-0 wasn't it? Or 3-0, at home as well. I think they had about 5 successful passes all afternoon.
A promising 3 games we have to look forward to..
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
Bottom of the form table (Wolves don't count now) Not looking good now See you at Brighton
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
The bookies still have us as outsiders for relwgation down to 5 to one though.
The bookies still have us as outsiders for relwgation down to 5 to one though.
Still out of touch. I would put us at less than evens now.
The bookies still have us as outsiders for relwgation down to 5 to one though.
Still out of touch. I would put us at less than evens now.
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
If all you're going to do is gloat I think you can fuck right off.
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
If all you're going to do is gloat I think you can fuck right off.
Well didn't your fans put banners up when we went down laughing at us? I don't think we will be that extreme but I think I have every right to gloat although you'll stay up, just. surprised your owner would appoint the ex-brum manager as well, if you go down I do worry for you though.
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
If all you're going to do is gloat I think you can fuck right off.
Well didn't your fans put banners up when we went down laughing at us? I don't think we will be that extreme but I think I have every right to gloat although you'll stay up, just. surprised your owner would appoint the ex-brum manager as well, if you go down I do worry for you though.
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
they will change again, sometimes you need a fall to sort youselves out. as you may have realised in the last 3 years for your lot . People coming around to Mr Ashley then?
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
If all you're going to do is gloat I think you can fuck right off.
Well didn't your fans put banners up when we went down laughing at us? I don't think we will be that extreme but I think I have every right to gloat although you'll stay up, just. surprised your owner would appoint the ex-brum manager as well, if you go down I do worry for you though.
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
If all you're going to do is gloat I think you can fuck right off.
Well didn't your fans put banners up when we went down laughing at us? I don't think we will be that extreme but I think I have every right to gloat although you'll stay up, just. surprised your owner would appoint the ex-brum manager as well, if you go down I do worry for you though.
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
If all you're going to do is gloat I think you can fuck right off.
Well didn't your fans put banners up when we went down laughing at us? I don't think we will be that extreme but I think I have every right to gloat although you'll stay up, just. surprised your owner would appoint the ex-brum manager as well, if you go down I do worry for you though.
You know what? fuck it. Fair enough, we did take the piss. I have two problems though:
1) Why are you here? Newcastle are irrelevant to us at the moment.
2) You know we're all pissed off at the moment and have picked a really bad time to come and gloat.
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
If all you're going to do is gloat I think you can fuck right off.
Well didn't your fans put banners up when we went down laughing at us? I don't think we will be that extreme but I think I have every right to gloat although you'll stay up, just. surprised your owner would appoint the ex-brum manager as well, if you go down I do worry for you though.
Is mazrim around tonight? He had a go at me earlier because I dared suggest that we would be relegated. What does he think now? If he still thinks we will stay up then it's he who is not in the same postcode as reality.
Why, with your league position, would you come on here? Gloat all you want, your current position wont last long you daft fucker. There is not a fan of another club in the country who did not laugh at you going down. For some reason you cant see it though.
Is mazrim around tonight? He had a go at me earlier because I dared suggest that we would be relegated. What does he think now? If he still thinks we will stay up then it's he who is not in the same postcode as reality.
Fair enough, I'll take one on the chin if we get relegated.
You twat.
Fair enough. Ive had... x pints and I'm not in the mood for vultures. But I apologise.
If we go down, this club will be put back years.
There is no guarantee we will come straight back up.
This season has been like a watching a nine month long suicide.
This season has been like a watching a nine month long suicide.
Randy Lerner should have taken a leaf out of the KLF's book, and just burnt £200m on a remote hilltop somewhere. The end result would have been the same, and we'd have been saved the indignation of having that failure McLeish anywhere near our club.
Randy Lerner should have taken a leaf out of the KLF's book, and just burnt £200m on a remote hilltop somewhere. The end result would have been the same, and we'd have been saved the indignation of having that failure McLeish anywhere near our club.
Risso - where's your signature from?
O'neil has left your club in debt and now Mcleish is taking you down, this time three years ago you were 6th and fighting for Europe, we were going down. How the times have changed.
they will change again, sometimes you need a fall to sort youselves out. as you may have realised in the last 3 years for your lot . People coming around to Mr Ashley then?
Ashley is starting to win fans over but it's pardew and the squad that is getting the plaudits
Randy Lerner should have taken a leaf out of the KLF's book, and just burnt £200m on a remote hilltop somewhere. The end result would have been the same, and we'd have been saved the indignation of having that failure McLeish anywhere near our club.
Risso - where's your signature from?
Unfortunately, it is something General Krulak (is on the Villa board, used to come onto the forums and tell us they were in it through thiick or thin - then it got thin and he disappeared, like a rat up a drainpipe) said shortly after the appointment of our manager.
Randy Lerner should have taken a leaf out of the KLF's book, and just burnt £200m on a remote hilltop somewhere. The end result would have been the same, and we'd have been saved the indignation of having that failure McLeish anywhere near our club.
Risso - where's your signature from?
Unfortunately, it is something General Krulak (is on the Villa board, used to come onto the forums and tell us they were in it through thiick or thin - then it got thin and he disappeared, like a rat up a drainpipe) said shortly after the appointment of our manager.
Oh dear. How horribly prophetic of the General!
Can someone re-set the poll, please? I voted No before but now I think I need to change my vote.
Randy Lerner should have taken a leaf out of the KLF's book, and just burnt £200m on a remote hilltop somewhere. The end result would have been the same, and we'd have been saved the indignation of having that failure McLeish anywhere near our club.
Risso - where's your signature from?
Unfortunately, it is something General Krulak (is on the Villa board, used to come onto the forums and tell us they were in it through thiick or thin - then it got thin and he disappeared, like a rat up a drainpipe) said shortly after the appointment of our manager.
Oh dear. How horribly prophetic of the General!
It gets worse.
On VillaTalk, after the appointment, he said "I think we can challenge for fourth".
Many people, unsurprisingly, heaped ridicule on this, and he replied with "sorry, my finger slipped, meant to say fifth".
As if the difference between fourth and fifth was what people were laughing at.
I don't have any issues with the General personally, I'm sure he was acting in good faith when he was on here, but that sort of thing just shows how deeply clueless our leadership are.
Sorry, KRS, it didn't really deserve a new relegation thread. We're trying to keep it as streamlined as we can.No worries...might be worth stickying a thread of the remaining relegation contender fixtures for the next few weeks though.
There is no such thing as a 'hard' or 'easy' run-in now. It's pretty obvious that form counts for nothing and guts is key.
bottom line is still 2 points will do it. mebbe one.
I'm worried it may take more than 2 points.
I'm worried it may take more than 2 points.
Check you with yer new mod status. I dunno. As shite as Villa are, I just don't think B'burn and Bolton are any better. QPR have got to play Chelsea as well. Wigan's good run can't keep on going.
bottom line is still 2 points will do it. mebbe one.
can't see it unless all 4 teams below us start exhibiting title form. The main thing now is we have to get points come what may. none of this attack attack attack shite. We all knew we were getting a manager who prefers defence despite his protestations, well like it or not we should go with it for the remaining games. If he'd done that tonite, we'd be safe the big ginger twat
I'm worried it may take more than 2 points.
Check you with yer new mod status. I dunno. As shite as Villa are, I just don't think B'burn and Bolton are any better. QPR have got to play Chelsea as well. Wigan's good run can't keep on going.
I really think we'll lose on Tuesday and end up going down.
No we won't.
can't see it unless all 4 teams below us start exhibiting title form. The main thing now is we have to get points come what may. none of this attack attack attack shite. We all knew we were getting a manager who prefers defence despite his protestations, well like it or not we should go with it for the remaining games. If he'd done that tonite, we'd be safe the big ginger twat
Thing is, 2 points puts us on 38. To finish above us QPR would need 5 points from 3 (maybe even 4 would do as their GD is close to ours), Wigan 5 points from 3 and Bolton 6 points from 4. Unlikely? I bloody hope so, but it's not exactly title form any of them need.
All the others have won with decent performances lately so will have some confidence, we on the other hand have in the main a bunch of kids punching above their weight, Weiman exemplifies this, gave his all and made some good runs but his inexperience showed out. Any other season under any other manager needing a couple of points from Baggies,Spurs and Norwich we would be a shoe in to get them. Thats how bad we are.
Aftet they scored the pen he should of made a sub just to slow things down but simple things like that are beyond him.
To get out of a mess like this you need a spirit, togetherness a willingness to fight, a backs to the wall take them on and win at all costs attitude. Teams around us have proved over the last few weeks they have it, we don’t, were a shambles and the management at Villa Park deserve relegation for their sheer incompetence
t's all too much for "The Kids" at the moment, most were really poor last night, and they’re not receiving any support what-so-ever from the experienced players amongst them
I don't think we'll get another point this season. Our fate is in other teams hands.That's how I see it also.
Away at WBA, home to Spurs then away to Norwich? Can't see us getting anything.
Nick, given the easy start, we should have had many more points on the board by Christmas. Too many draws when he had a fully fit squad.
We're going down. Just like we were at the start of the season. Just like we were on 17th June 2011 when that poor excuse for a manager was brought in by the totally inept Randy Lerner.
I lost all enthusiasm for the club at that point and decided not to renew as enough was enough.
I won't be going back in a long time. They say you have to experience the bad to appreciate the good times, but boy am I not thinking like that.
I'll look out for the results, come on here occassionally, but my love for Aston Villa has come to and end.
Nick, given the easy start, we should have had many more points on the board by Christmas. Too many draws when he had a fully fit squad.
Listening to the radio show on the way to VP last night, Franksy was saying about how many senior players were missing and Steve Froggatt jumped in and said that they had not been missing all season, with the squad at VP points should have been picked up earlier in the season and we should have been safe weeks ago.
When the senior players were available we wasn't winning games.
It was awful.
Take it from me, he won't be sacked, relegation or not.
Even if they did sack him, they'd have to cough up 2 years of his contract -
£4m, money we haven't got.
That's what sickens me about the modern game, it rewards failure.
If we go down we'll go the way of Sheff Wed.
We have no money, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Bent, Given, Ireland will leave and we'll be
left with kids, mnay of whom are not good enough - Albrighton is simply not up
to scratch, Bannan is hopeless.
Nick, given the easy start, we should have had many more points on the board by Christmas. Too many draws when he had a fully fit squad.
Listening to the radio show on the way to VP last night, Franksy was saying about how many senior players were missing and Steve Froggatt jumped in and said that they had not been missing all season, with the squad at VP points should have been picked up earlier in the season and we should have been safe weeks ago.
Which is bang on. But the injury situation now is being used as a convenient smokescreen - now, yes, we're struggling for players and we've got ourselves into the position where it's a real problem. For 3/4 of the season we've had a relatively full squad to pick from. Even back in February we had pretty much a full squad, and we went to Wigan (then in awful form) and Blackburn and casually tossed points away.
It was awful.
Take it from me, he won't be sacked, relegation or not.
Even if they did sack him, they'd have to cough up 2 years of his contract -
£4m, money we haven't got.
That's what sickens me about the modern game, it rewards failure.
If we go down we'll go the way of Sheff Wed.
We have no money, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Bent, Given, Ireland will leave and we'll be
left with kids, many of whom are not good enough - Albrighton is simply not up
to scratch, Bannan is hopeless.
I would be extremely surprised if we lost all three games.
I don't expect us to win any of them, but I'm pretty sure we won't lose all of them.
I would be extremely surprised if we lost all three games.
I don't expect us to win any of them, but I'm pretty sure we won't lose all of them.
I did'nt expect us to pick up just 1 point out of the last 2 home games against beatable opposition, but we have.
I absolutely expected us to pick up one point from those games. In that order as well.I would be extremely surprised if we lost all three games.
I don't expect us to win any of them, but I'm pretty sure we won't lose all of them.
I did'nt expect us to pick up just 1 point out of the last 2 home games against beatable opposition, but we have.
I would be extremely surprised if we lost all three games.Blues lost all 3 games last season and picked up one point in 5 games
I don't expect us to win any of them, but I'm pretty sure we won't lose all of them.
Many more performances like the second half last night and I'll begin to question Alex's suitability for the job.
We're not them. We've not lost more than twice in a row all season and I still don't think that's going to change in the next three matches.I would be extremely surprised if we lost all three games.Blues lost all 3 games last season and picked up one point in 5 games
I don't expect us to win any of them, but I'm pretty sure we won't lose all of them.
Ger I cant see where the next goal is coming from, never mind 3 points and our games if the opposition show up and the way we are playing are just as hard as any of the other teams, because at least they are showing some fight.But the point I was making was that we mightn't even need to get a win from anywhere. That doesn't mean I'm happy with where we are, it's just the way I see things panning out. As I said, it's far from certain, but I would still say it's more likely than the other teams picking up the results needed.
Many more performances like the second half last night and I'll begin to question Alex's suitability for the job.
Begin!?
It was awful.
Take it from me, he won't be sacked, relegation or not.
Even if they did sack him, they'd have to cough up 2 years of his contract -
£4m, money we haven't got.
That's what sickens me about the modern game, it rewards failure.
If we go down we'll go the way of Sheff Wed.
We have no money, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Bent, Given, Ireland will leave and we'll be
left with kids, many of whom are not good enough - Albrighton is simply not up
to scratch, Bannan is hopeless.
It was awful.
Take it from me, he won't be sacked, relegation or not.
Even if they did sack him, they'd have to cough up 2 years of his contract -
£4m, money we haven't got.
That's what sickens me about the modern game, it rewards failure.
If we go down we'll go the way of Sheff Wed.
We have no money, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Bent, Given, Ireland will leave and we'll be
left with kids, many of whom are not good enough - Albrighton is simply not up
to scratch, Bannan is hopeless.
I hate to say it but neither had Blues.Sad I know but I've checkedWe're not them. We've not lost more than twice in a row all season and I still don't think that's going to change in the next three matches.I would be extremely surprised if we lost all three games.Blues lost all 3 games last season and picked up one point in 5 games
I don't expect us to win any of them, but I'm pretty sure we won't lose all of them.
Many more performances like the second half last night and I'll begin to question Alex's suitability for the job.
Fair enough then.I hate to say it but neither had Blues.Sad I know but I've checkedWe're not them. We've not lost more than twice in a row all season and I still don't think that's going to change in the next three matches.I would be extremely surprised if we lost all three games.Blues lost all 3 games last season and picked up one point in 5 games
I don't expect us to win any of them, but I'm pretty sure we won't lose all of them.
I would be extremely surprised if we lost all three games.
I don't expect us to win any of them, but I'm pretty sure we won't lose all of them.
2 we are safe. 1 we are in the hands of the chelsea result on Sunday.
Why don't they have a recognised centre back pairing?2 we are safe. 1 we are in the hands of the chelsea result on Sunday.
None of you are even considering the possibility that we (QPR) might get more than a point out of a Chelsea side that have had a tough, tough couple of weeks, do not have a recognised centre back pairing, and are more interesting in two cup finals in the next four weeks?
We've beaten them once already this season, and that was back when we were genuinely rubbish.
So were they though, to be fair.2 we are safe. 1 we are in the hands of the chelsea result on Sunday.
None of you are even considering the possibility that we (QPR) might get more than a point out of a Chelsea side that have had a tough, tough couple of weeks, do not have a recognised centre back pairing, and are more interesting in two cup finals in the next four weeks?
We've beaten them once already this season, and that was back when we were genuinely rubbish.
Read this and weep - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9224284/Aston-Villa-officially-enter-the-relegation-race-where-did-it-all-go-wrong.html
Finally an article that acknowledges the fact the we're against him due to his 'football acumen and chequered record', not his affiliation to Blose.
Finally an article that acknowledges the fact the we're against him due to his 'football acumen and chequered record', not his affiliation to Blose.
I went to school with the author (if you're referring to that Torygraph article). He's a Villa fan, which probably explains that.
Many more performances like the second half last night and I'll begin to question Alex's suitability for the job.
Begin!?
Is it worth locking this and starting a new 'Relegation-watch' thread? I really can't believe how far we've fallen.Why not do that but keep it in here?
Maybe I need some optimism pills!
VILLA (36 pts)
Sat 28 Apr: West Brom (A) L
Sun 6 May: Tottenham (H) D
Sun 13 May: Norwich (A) L
FINAL PTS: 37
QPR (34 pts)
Sun 29 Apr: Chelsea (A) D
Sun 6 May: Stoke (H) W
Sun 13 May: Man City (A) L
FINAL PTS: 38
WIGAN (34 pts)
Sat 28 Apr: Newcastle (H) L
Mon 7 May: Blackburn (A) D
Sun 13 May: Wolves (H) W
FINAL PTS: 38
BOLTON (33 pts)
Sat 28 Apr: Sunderland (A) D
Wed 2 May: Tottenham (H) D
Sun 6 May: West Brom (H) W
Sun 13 May: Stoke (A) D
FINAL PTS: 40
BLACKBURN (31 pts)
Sun 29 Apr: Tottenham (A) L
Mon 7 May: Wigan (H) D
Sun 13 May: Chelsea (A) L
FINAL PTS: 32
Roar them to victory against Spurs!!! It's all fans can do.Bang on. Three points against Albion in the meantime won't hurt either.
Roar them to victory against Spurs!!! It's all fans can do.Bang on. Three points against Albion in the meantime won't hurt either.
I see Seb Larrson is out for the rest of the season for Sunderland.That makes that a very winnable game for Bolton on Saturday.Sunderland haven't scored a goal in god knows how long, not to mention being on the beach
Just did the BBC predictor thing again, but put us as losing every game in order to see what I think we'd need to stay up. To my surprise, I had us staying up by a point!
I can see Bolton,Wigan and QPR all winning this weekend.Just an awful gut feeling.
It's what happens I'm afraid at this stage of the season.I was also horrified to read that Blues were actually 4 points clear of the drop this time last season,so actually in a better position than us with an arguably stronger sideI can see Bolton,Wigan and QPR all winning this weekend.Just an awful gut feeling.
dont bother with the lottery this weekend mate either
I can see Bolton,Wigan and QPR all winning this weekend.Just an awful gut feeling.
I can see Bolton,Wigan and QPR all winning this weekend.Just an awful gut feeling.
They're playing Sunderland, Newcastle and Chelsea, plus Blackburn have Spurs. Three are away and the home game, which is Wigan's, is against the most in form team (Newcastle).
I hope you're right.I really do I just things tend to conspire against you when you are down there.Teams around us will have been given a massive lift with us being dragged in as wellI can see Bolton,Wigan and QPR all winning this weekend.Just an awful gut feeling.
They're playing Sunderland, Newcastle and Chelsea, plus Blackburn have Spurs. Three are away and the home game, which is Wigan's, is against the most in form team (Newcastle).
we could lose against WBA and still be in a stronger position by the end of the weekend
Don't bank on Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea doing us any favours.Chelseas- heads will still be in the Nou Camp
If it still needs us to win at Norwich and maybe rely on others losing on that day, it will not be the fun-filled carnival day out that many are hoping for.
I would have thought the last few weeks have demonstrated we can't rely on the expected results of others. Wigan, QPR, Blackburn have all upset the apple cart and Bolton have some very winnable games. I firmly believe we are going to have to dig ourselves out of this, with a minimum of a win. Whether we're capable of that I'm not sure, but I don't think the other sides are just going to lose.
Don't bank on Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea doing us any favours.Chelseas- heads will still be in the Nou Camp
Newcastle- getting cockycould easily slip up
Spurs-are just shit
Don't bank on Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea doing us any favours.
Don't bank on Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea doing us any favours.
I'm not, but although I wouldn't use the word 'banking', I do expect them to try and do themselves favours bearing in mind they're all chasing a top 4 spot and the Chelsea player will also be playing for their places in two cup finals.
Nice to see you again Sendo, don't be such a stranger in future.
You that confident West Ham will be promoted?
Losing to Bolton finished us off, the latest posts on this thread show we are clutching at straws.
The arguements that we had winnable games left, that the teams below us could not pick up enough points. We allready had enough points anyway. Guess what you were all wrong. We are going down get used to it.
;)Losing to Bolton finished us off, the latest posts on this thread show we are clutching at straws.
The arguements that we had winnable games left, that the teams below us could not pick up enough points. We allready had enough points anyway. Guess what you were all wrong. We are going down get used to it.
Oh hawkeye - you're such a drama queen!!!
;)
If we do, i`m quite looking forward to days in Blackpool, Ipswich, Millwall, Barnsl......oh fuck, i feel sick.
Why don't we just refuse to go down. Just turn up at a home fixture of one of the actual Premier League teams real early on the first day of the season and not budge. Keep doing it every week until they have to let us back in.
Why don't we just refuse to go down. Just turn up at a home fixture of one of the actual Premier League teams real early on the first day of the season and not budge. Keep doing it every week until they have to let us back in.
I am absolutely 100% behind this idea and think the club should take it forward. The legal term is 'Ostrich defence'. A point blank refusal to accept relegation and if they insist we just say "make me". We'll just stay put.... I have looked into this and it transpires that the people telling teams they are relegated (the FA) are the very same organisation that make up the rules. How convenient.
Why don't we just refuse to go down. Just turn up at a home fixture of one of the actual Premier League teams real early on the first day of the season and not budge. Keep doing it every week until they have to let us back in.
I am absolutely 100% behind this idea and think the club should take it forward. The legal term is 'Ostrich defence'. A point blank refusal to accept relegation and if they insist we just say "make me". We'll just stay put.... I have looked into this and it transpires that the people telling teams they are relegated (the FA) are the very same organisation that make up the rules. How convenient.
Or maybe his beloved leter from Ferguson, if it hasn't disintegrated from overuse yet.Sorry, that now looks like one of John Lydon's t-shirt's from 1977.
Or maybe his beloved leter from Ferguson, if it hasn't disintegrated from overuse yet.Sorry, that now looks like one of John Lydon's t-shirt's from 1977.
Why don't we just refuse to go down. Just turn up at a home fixture of one of the actual Premier League teams real early on the first day of the season and not budge. Keep doing it every week until they have to let us back in.
Sorry, that now looks like one of John Lydon's t-shirt's from 1977
I think that we should take a leaf out of Anders Breivik's book. We acknowledge losing all those games, but refuse to accept responsibility for them.
Like George in Seinfeld,lost his job,but kept turning up for work. It may just work.Why don't we just refuse to go down. Just turn up at a home fixture of one of the actual Premier League teams real early on the first day of the season and not budge. Keep doing it every week until they have to let us back in.
Love this idea.
Odds drifted from 6-1 pre-Albion to 10-1 now. Bookies reckon less than 10% chance of going down. Keep calm.
We might just about stay up at this rate, limping over the line like an asthmatic ant with 2 big bags of shopping.
I think its QPR we need to watch, it could be us or them. Think Bolton have mainly winable games.Today was a very winnable game for Bolton and they didn't.They are pretty poor
I think its QPR we need to watch, it could be us or them. Think Bolton have mainly winable games.Today was a very winnable game for Bolton and they didn't.They are pretty poor
I think its QPR we need to watch, it could be us or them. Think Bolton have mainly winable games.
Its the fact that we're unlikely to score that means we're still in big trouble. I think we'll get 1 more point.I think its QPR we need to watch, it could be us or them. Think Bolton have mainly winable games.Today was a very winnable game for Bolton and they didn't.They are pretty poor
But they're scoring goals... and we're not. It's a worry.
Lerner must be thinking very hard now whether to sack him as he can't buy a win and how can he trust him to try given the abject failure in every other crucial "must win" game. Personally I think the whole atmosphere would be much more likely to produce a win if he's gone and we can just get behind the team having got our Villa back and give it a real go.
Lerner must be thinking very hard now whether to sack him as he can't buy a win and how can he trust him to try given the abject failure in every other crucial "must win" game. Personally I think the whole atmosphere would be much more likely to produce a win if he's gone and we can just get behind the team having got our Villa back and give it a real go.
Lerner must be thinking very hard now whether to sack him as he can't buy a win and how can he trust him to try given the abject failure in every other crucial "must win" game. Personally I think the whole atmosphere would be much more likely to produce a win if he's gone and we can just get behind the team having got our Villa back and give it a real go.
Trouble is we're toothless at the moment bar Weimann. Ivanhoe scores slightly more regularly than sightings of Haley's Comet, and Gabby's managed 7 league goals in two seasons. Not sure i want us to go gung-ho in the remaining games and rely on scoring more than we let in.
I think its QPR we need to watch, it could be us or them. Think Bolton have mainly winable games.
That's my take on the situation. Hence why I am a bit uneasy on how close to us thjey are on goal difference.
I think we are pretty much safe on 37. Spurs will be all guns blazing tomorrow with that 4th spot there for the taking. A win for them takes us out of the 2nd last spot equation.I have been reading stuff like this for weeks now
They then play Wigan which would be nice if they won putting Wigan under pressure for the final game. QPR have to get something out of tomorrows game with Chelsea at Chelsea who are on a high and need to keep momentum. QPR need 4 points to overhaul us. Assuming they get 3 against Stoke ( not a given) they then need one from Chelsea or a resurgent Man City after a title. Odds are stacked quite high in our favour as it stands.
I think we are pretty much safe on 37. Spurs will be all guns blazing tomorrow with that 4th spot there for the taking. A win for them takes us out of the 2nd last spot equation.What a sad time we have got to -relying on other teams to fuck up so we are safe!This is not our Villa!For fuck sake!
They then play Wigan which would be nice if they won putting Wigan under pressure for the final game. QPR have to get something out of tomorrows game with Chelsea at Chelsea who are on a high and need to keep momentum. QPR need 4 points to overhaul us. Assuming they get 3 against Stoke ( not a given) they then need one from Chelsea or a resurgent Man City after a title. Odds are stacked quite high in our favour as it stands.
Yeah and I've been reading we're already down too.Lets see what happens this week.
Only Wolves have taken less points from the last 6 games than Spurs , they are woefully out of form.yep and they play BBurn Bolton and us this week
How many of us forecast today's Wigan result? I can see both Chelsea and Spurs losing tomorrow. We still in deep deep trouble.
I think we are pretty much safe on 37. Spurs will be all guns blazing tomorrow with that 4th spot there for the taking. A win for them takes us out of the 2nd last spot equation.I have been reading stuff like this for weeks now
They then play Wigan which would be nice if they won putting Wigan under pressure for the final game. QPR have to get something out of tomorrows game with Chelsea at Chelsea who are on a high and need to keep momentum. QPR need 4 points to overhaul us. Assuming they get 3 against Stoke ( not a given) they then need one from Chelsea or a resurgent Man City after a title. Odds are stacked quite high in our favour as it stands.
Has anybody been found yet that doesn't was us to come back up if we do go down?I might be able to squeeze a away match in, I'm only an hour away from Bristol City.
Only Wolves have taken less points from the last 6 games than Spurs , they are woefully out of form.yep and they play BBurn Bolton and us this week
it is now about other results because we seem incapable of winning a football match, i think it will go down to the last game, all we had to do was not lose at home to Bolton. We could not even achieve that.
We will not win any of the two remaining matches.
Home fans against Spurs need to get behind the team in a big way.
Agreed, I think the anti McLeish point was made well enough at the Bolton game, now we need to support. His days are surely numbered so job done and get behind the teamHome fans against Spurs need to get behind the team in a big way.
This is really important. At least something of the result that day will be down to us supporters. We can lift and fight with and for the team or help frighten and destroy.
Agreed, I think the anti McLeish point was made well enough at the Bolton game, now we need to support. His days are surely numbered so job done and get behind the teamHome fans against Spurs need to get behind the team in a big way.
This is really important. At least something of the result that day will be down to us supporters. We can lift and fight with and for the team or help frighten and destroy.
If QPR and Bolton don't lose today then we'll go, I reckon.
It is clear that our forwards have no confidence to apply a decisive finish when clearly in positions where scoring is easier than missing or getting a save out of the goalkeeper. N'Zogiba twice, Heskey and Agbonlahor many times were guilty of that.
This is the most worrying aspect of our team at the moment. It means that coupled with noddy tactics and an uncertain defence we will not win any of the two remaining matches.
Our survival is in the hands of others.
It is clear that our forwards have no confidence to apply a decisive finish when clearly in positions where scoring is easier than missing or getting a save out of the goalkeeper. N'Zogiba twice, Heskey and Agbonlahor many times were guilty of that.
This is the most worrying aspect of our team at the moment. It means that coupled with noddy tactics and an uncertain defence we will not win any of the two remaining matches.
Our survival is in the hands of others.
spot on , I was suprised not to see Weimann get any match time . Our forwards look useless at the moment .
It is clear that our forwards have no confidence to apply a decisive finish when clearly in positions where scoring is easier than missing or getting a save out of the goalkeeper. N'Zogiba twice, Heskey and Agbonlahor many times were guilty of that.
This is the most worrying aspect of our team at the moment. It means that coupled with noddy tactics and an uncertain defence we will not win any of the two remaining matches.
Our survival is in the hands of others.
spot on , I was suprised not to see Weimann get any match time . Our forwards look useless at the moment .
He did the right thing dropping Weimann, he's still a young lad and he's done well but taking him out of it was the right idea. I thought Heskey and Gabby were the best partnership for yesterday. He should have brought Carruthers on earlier than he did though. He won a corner with his first touch.
It is clear that our forwards have no confidence to apply a decisive finish when clearly in positions where scoring is easier than missing or getting a save out of the goalkeeper. N'Zogiba twice, Heskey and Agbonlahor many times were guilty of that.
This is the most worrying aspect of our team at the moment. It means that coupled with noddy tactics and an uncertain defence we will not win any of the two remaining matches.
Our survival is in the hands of others.
spot on , I was suprised not to see Weimann get any match time . Our forwards look useless at the moment .
He did the right thing dropping Weimann, he's still a young lad and he's done well but taking him out of it was the right idea. I thought Heskey and Gabby were the best partnership for yesterday. He should have brought Carruthers on earlier than he did though. He won a corner with his first touch.
The problem is , we are not going to score with those two up front unless its a midfield player as the defenders are not going to score from a set piece/corner.
He did the right thing dropping Weimann, he's still a young lad and he's done well but taking him out of it was the right idea. I thought Heskey and Gabby were the best partnership for yesterday. He should have brought Carruthers on earlier than he did though. He won a corner with his first touch.I don't think anyone can complain about Heskey's contribution yesterday (or against Bolton) and Gabby was the obvious partner in a game of this importance. Weimann's chance will come again and I think he will score goals at the top level. I agree about Carruthers: he's now had 3 promising little cameos and yesterday he might have made a difference if he'd come on after 80 minutes instead of 90.
The worry is if city losing tomorrow they'll be on the beach for the final qpr game.
Chelsea winning
QPR would need 4 points from their last 2 if we lost both ours.
Chelsea have done us a massive massive favour, 6-0 now.
It's going to be a big ask for QPR to get four points from their last two games, although at this stage of the season odd things do happen. A Spurs win this afternoon and we can almost relax.But we don't want Spurs finding form for when they face us. A draw today and a draw against Bolton midweek will do me.
Win against spurs and we are now guaranteed safe!
If we could just win a football match we could end this nightmare next Saturday, great news about QPR but something tells me they will beat Stoke and that it will go to the final day, Villa wont make it easy for us they never do, we are looking like we may just be ok but cannot relax just yet.
Villa wont make it easy for us they never do
If we could just win a football match we could end this nightmare next Saturday, great news about QPR but something tells me they will beat Stoke and that it will go to the final day, Villa wont make it easy for us they never do, we are looking like we may just be ok but cannot relax just yet.
Indeed, but hopefully by the time we kick off next week, we will be safe.
If we could just win a football match we could end this nightmare next Saturday, great news about QPR but something tells me they will beat Stoke and that it will go to the final day, Villa wont make it easy for us they never do, we are looking like we may just be ok but cannot relax just yet.
Indeed, but hopefully by the time we kick off next week, we will be safe.
We don't play 'til Sunday
If we could just win a football match we could end this nightmare next Saturday, great news about QPR but something tells me they will beat Stoke and that it will go to the final day, Villa wont make it easy for us they never do, we are looking like we may just be ok but cannot relax just yet.
Indeed, but hopefully by the time we kick off next week, we will be safe.
We don't play 'til Sunday
I didn't realise when I said that, that nearly everyone kicks off on Sunday next week!
QPR being hammered today is a very welcome bonus. Even if Villa lose their remaining two games by reasonable margins, QPR will have to beat Stoke by a large score and get a point away at Man City to finish above us. If Blackburn lose today as I expect, they're as good as gone.
We're not going down.
We could do with Man City beating Man U tomorrow to ensure they have plenty to play for against QPR.
Cheers Kyle. Same again against Bolton then an own goal for us next week and he'll get my vote for player of the season.Bolton are as bad as us at home. 4 wins. Spurs winning there would mean next Sunday we have to match the result of QPR or Bolton to be safe.
All those are possible.
Lets just beat Spurzzzzz. Then all of the clubs below us can suck our balls.Chocolate salty ones?
We couldn't have asked for a much better set of results. Woeful that it's come to us cheering on Chavski and Spurzzzzzz though.
There's only one Steve Keane
I was just having a gander at a QPR match forum. Harsh words...Ouch! Makes everyone on here look like the Waltons
http://www.qprdot.org/viewtopic.php?t=61291&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
Hi All can i say as a blue nose i DONT want to see villa go down and i KNOW you wont. I dont understand fans of local teams that want to see other midland teams go down.Would it not be better if we had all the midland teams in the premiership like we did years ago.I love the local derbys we might npt win many but i do enjoy them.
As for eck well i feel it was your owner who is at fault it was clear from the start he was not welcome there.Not so much because he was a x blues boss but because he had just took us down with crap football.
It shows us supporters dont count when we know we will be here to support our clubs long after the players ,owners,managers jump ship.
I have seen some of your football this season and it was nothing like a few years back.
I do know you have been missing a few top players and i know if bent was fit you would be ten points better off maybe more.
I do feel sorry for the supporters of villa because i have to say your away support is second to none , I think most games i watch you fill the away end which is easy when you are in the top 6 or winning trophys but it is when you back is to the wall real support counts.I think your ground is in the top 6 in England and your training is said to be one of the best world wide.Also your second team always seem to be top of their leage is again is fantastic so i think with the right man in charge as owner and manager you will be up the top of the premiership in no time. Good luck for the reast of the season and who knows we might be mplaying our derbys next season in the prem.Reguards Bill.
Hi All can i say as a blue nose i DONT want to see villa go down and i KNOW you wont. I dont understand fans of local teams that want to see other midland teams go down.Would it not be better if we had all the midland teams in the premiership like we did years ago.I love the local derbys we might npt win many but i do enjoy them.
As for eck well i feel it was your owner who is at fault it was clear from the start he was not welcome there.Not so much because he was a x blues boss but because he had just took us down with crap football.
It shows us supporters dont count when we know we will be here to support our clubs long after the players ,owners,managers jump ship.
I have seen some of your football this season and it was nothing like a few years back.
I do know you have been missing a few top players and i know if bent was fit you would be ten points better off maybe more.
I do feel sorry for the supporters of villa because i have to say your away support is second to none , I think most games i watch you fill the away end which is easy when you are in the top 6 or winning trophys but it is when you back is to the wall real support counts.I think your ground is in the top 6 in England and your training is said to be one of the best world wide.Also your second team always seem to be top of their leage is again is fantastic so i think with the right man in charge as owner and manager you will be up the top of the premiership in no time. Good luck for the reast of the season and who knows we might be mplaying our derbys next season in the prem.Reguards Bill.
How many usernames has this person.got. Always.writing.like.this.person!
Barking up the wrong tree there I think.Hi All can i say as a blue nose i DONT want to see villa go down and i KNOW you wont. I dont understand fans of local teams that want to see other midland teams go down.Would it not be better if we had all the midland teams in the premiership like we did years ago.I love the local derbys we might npt win many but i do enjoy them.
As for eck well i feel it was your owner who is at fault it was clear from the start he was not welcome there.Not so much because he was a x blues boss but because he had just took us down with crap football.
It shows us supporters dont count when we know we will be here to support our clubs long after the players ,owners,managers jump ship.
I have seen some of your football this season and it was nothing like a few years back.
I do know you have been missing a few top players and i know if bent was fit you would be ten points better off maybe more.
I do feel sorry for the supporters of villa because i have to say your away support is second to none , I think most games i watch you fill the away end which is easy when you are in the top 6 or winning trophys but it is when you back is to the wall real support counts.I think your ground is in the top 6 in England and your training is said to be one of the best world wide.Also your second team always seem to be top of their leage is again is fantastic so i think with the right man in charge as owner and manager you will be up the top of the premiership in no time. Good luck for the reast of the season and who knows we might be mplaying our derbys next season in the prem.Reguards Bill.
How many usernames has this person.got. Always.writing.like.this.person!
Barking up the wrong tree there I think.Hi All can i say as a blue nose i DONT want to see villa go down and i KNOW you wont. I dont understand fans of local teams that want to see other midland teams go down.Would it not be better if we had all the midland teams in the premiership like we did years ago.I love the local derbys we might npt win many but i do enjoy them.
As for eck well i feel it was your owner who is at fault it was clear from the start he was not welcome there.Not so much because he was a x blues boss but because he had just took us down with crap football.
It shows us supporters dont count when we know we will be here to support our clubs long after the players ,owners,managers jump ship.
I have seen some of your football this season and it was nothing like a few years back.
I do know you have been missing a few top players and i know if bent was fit you would be ten points better off maybe more.
I do feel sorry for the supporters of villa because i have to say your away support is second to none , I think most games i watch you fill the away end which is easy when you are in the top 6 or winning trophys but it is when you back is to the wall real support counts.I think your ground is in the top 6 in England and your training is said to be one of the best world wide.Also your second team always seem to be top of their leage is again is fantastic so i think with the right man in charge as owner and manager you will be up the top of the premiership in no time. Good luck for the reast of the season and who knows we might be mplaying our derbys next season in the prem.Reguards Bill.
How many usernames has this person.got. Always.writing.like.this.person!
Bill's never been anything other than polite and friendly, unlike other Blues posters we've had in the past.
And as long as he continues to be, he deserves the same courtesy.
Big Brother is watching?And judging, it would appear
Just checked the relegation odds at Paddy Power:I think they are being a bit cautious with Bolton. Hope they mess up in midweek.
Blackburn 1/50
QPR 4/7
Bolton 6/4
Us 16/1
Wigan 18/1
The bookies think we're safe!
I can see Bolton,Wigan and QPR all winning this weekend.Just an awful gut feeling.
Forget Wigan, they have wolves at home last day of the season. BBurn cant catch us.
QPR have to get 4 points from 2 and Bolton 4 points from 3 to over take us, either team failing this means we stay up.
Don't forget Mancini and Hughes despise each other....remember the slap Hughes gave Mancini whenever he offered his hand last year?
I believe Mancini would love to send Hughes down.
Forget Wigan, they have wolves at home last day of the season. BBurn cant catch us.
QPR have to get 4 points from 2 and Bolton 4 points from 3 to over take us, either team failing this means we stay up.
Can we get the banners out now?
danlanza is the only poster I know of who posts.like.this.
Forget Wigan, they have wolves at home last day of the season. BBurn cant catch us.
QPR have to get 4 points from 2 and Bolton 4 points from 3 to over take us, either team failing this means we stay up.
Can we get the banners out now?
Does nobody ever read anything I write or should I be paranoid?
ALL of this would gave to occur for Villa to go down: we lose 2 games & Wigan get 1 pt from 2 games & QPR get 4 from 2 & Bolton get 4 from 3.
Just checked the relegation odds at Paddy Power:I think they are being a bit cautious with Bolton. Hope they mess up in midweek.
Blackburn 1/50
QPR 4/7
Bolton 6/4
Us 16/1
Wigan 18/1
The bookies think we're safe!
I'll sleep a little easier tonight. Just hope we can get the necessary point against Spurs and not have to go and get something at Norwich.
This season can't end soon enough.
ALL of this would gave to occur for Villa to go down: we lose 2 games & Wigan get 1 pt from 2 games & QPR get 4 from 2 & Bolton get 4 from 3.
Good results for Villa today. I think we'll get one more point at Norwich which I think will see us safe. Blackburn are screwed now. QPR will see the Stoke game as winnable but I think they might be complacent as they may be over confident due to their decent home performances, Stoke won't lie down for anyone. More twists and turns yet. We could do with Blackburn beating Wigan next week.
I'd be happy for Wigan to beat Blackburn.
A 1-0 Blackburn win would do me.This would be good for us.
I'd be happy for Wigan to beat Blackburn.
Why? Blackburn can't catch us unless they score a shit load of goals.
Its just that there have been some confusing posts, I was trying to make it clear.Forget Wigan, they have wolves at home last day of the season. BBurn cant catch us.
QPR have to get 4 points from 2 and Bolton 4 points from 3 to over take us, either team failing this means we stay up.
Can we get the banners out now?
Does nobody ever read anything I write or should I be paranoid?
I'd be happy for Wigan to beat Blackburn.
Why? Blackburn can't catch us unless they score a shit load of goals.
True i suppose but after the season we've had, i'm not bothered who finshes above us as long as we're safe.
Its just that there have been some confusing posts, I was trying to make it clear.Forget Wigan, they have wolves at home last day of the season. BBurn cant catch us.
QPR have to get 4 points from 2 and Bolton 4 points from 3 to over take us, either team failing this means we stay up.
Can we get the banners out now?
Does nobody ever read anything I write or should I be paranoid?
I know today's results have gone as well as they could've done but we shouldn't be putting our feet up just yet.
We need 3 points to make certain and I really, really, really hope we can get them next Sunday.
I know today's results have gone as well as they could've done but we shouldn't be putting our feet up just yet.Even if Spurs hammer us (which they won't), I still won't be losing any sleep.
Plenty on here expect QPR to beat Stoke at home next weekend. Almost as many expect we won't beat Spurs. Assuming Bolton get 3 points out of either Spurs or Baggies at home over the next 7 days then we go in to the final day of the season needing a win at Norwich to be sure of survival. Something about 1% of Villa fans expect us to do!
We need 3 points to make certain and I really, really, really hope we can get them next Sunday.
I know today's results have gone as well as they could've done but we shouldn't be putting our feet up just yet.Even if Spurs hammer us (which they won't), I still won't be losing any sleep.
Plenty on here expect QPR to beat Stoke at home next weekend. Almost as many expect we won't beat Spurs. Assuming Bolton get 3 points out of either Spurs or Baggies at home over the next 7 days then we go in to the final day of the season needing a win at Norwich to be sure of survival. Something about 1% of Villa fans expect us to do!
We need 3 points to make certain and I really, really, really hope we can get them next Sunday.
QPR won't get a sniff at Manchester City. And whatever Bolton do, it won't matter. Because Blackburn and QPR are going down.
QPR will finish on somewhere between 34 and 37 points. So a point somewhere will guarantee us safety. And we might not even need that unless we get serious tonked by both Spurs and Norwich.
I'm not relaxing until we are mathematically safe.
I remember when West Ham had no chance of staying up as they had to play at champions Manure on the last day and win.
I'm not relaxing until we are mathematically safe.
I remember when West Ham had no chance of staying up as they had to play at champions Manure on the last day and win.
Yep, and when Everton were 2-0 down at home to Wimbledon on the last day of the season and needed to win to stay up.
And when the Baggies were bottom at Christmas and no team had ever escaped from that situation.
And when the Blues were safe as houses the year they won the League Cup.
It's absolutely true to say that stranger things have happened!!
Yep it is feasable that we could go to Norwich needing to equal or better the results of QPR and Bolton. What is certain is that we cant be relegated until the last day of the season. I hope it does not come to that.
I'm not relaxing until we are mathematically safe.
I remember when West Ham had no chance of staying up as they had to play at champions Manure on the last day and win.
I'm not relaxing until we are mathematically safe.
I remember when West Ham had no chance of staying up as they had to play at champions Manure on the last day and win.
The difference here was that Man U were already champions and had their flip flops on. When QPR go to Man City ont he last day, I doubt they would already be crowned.
If Stoke do QPR next weekend it'll all be over on Sunday night bar the crowing. Bolton and Wigan can go above us now, it makes no difference. Blackburn are gone, it's QPR to watch now, forget the others.
If Stoke do QPR next weekend it'll all be over on Sunday night bar the crowing. Bolton and Wigan can go above us now, it makes no difference. Blackburn are gone, it's QPR to watch now, forget the others.
This
I think QPR could beat Stoke but I cant see them getting anything against Man city , so even If we dont win another game , we will go up on goal difference.
Wigan are safe and probably Bolton.
I don't think Bolton are safe at all.
I don't think Bolton are safe at all.
Nor do I. Nor do I think QPR will beat Stoke. Stoke are exactly the sort of team that can and probably will punish them. But if I had to bet I would say Blackburn have all but gone and QPR will join them with Bolton getting another point or two to keep their noses above water.
I'd much rather Bolton rather than QPR went though. I can't stand them.
Hopefully next season Stoke can stop stinking up this league and take their horrible cheating football back where it belongs.
Not an ideal weekend for us,
Not an ideal weekend for us,
Really? Maybe not ideal but not far off.
Not an ideal weekend for us, but the games are running out and we'll be fine. Wigan made up two points on us, we added a point to our gap over QPR, the gap between us and Bolton stays the same. Blackburn, as we expected, are falling behind.
One place left now. I think Wigan's momentum will take them above us, while Bolton will overhaul QPR (Stoke and Man City? Don't fancy them) - it'll be Blackburn and QPR to drop, I think.
If there were five games to go, I'd be seriously worried but the games are ticking by, and without us doing an awful lot to help ourselves, we're slowly getting there.
Not an ideal weekend for us,
Really? Maybe not ideal but not far off.
Tony Pulis looked right up for getting a result against QPR. Whatever we say about Stoke, they have a strict game(?) plan and stick to it, getting results, and being very very difficult to play. While they may have out performed us for possession at VP, I dont think wiping the ball dry for throw ins or setting up free kicks should count. I will be cheering them taking three points from QPR, but not as much as us taking three points from Jellyface whos week has just gone from bad to worse. Mwah hah hah hah hah
Mind you, for a weekend that was all but ideal for us, my mood about the Villa remains depressingly low.
Mind you, for a weekend that was all but ideal for us, my mood about the Villa remains depressingly low.
I think feelings and opinions about our safety, or lack thereof, can be separated from those relating to the manager and direction of the club.
I actually think we have more chance of beating a team like Spurs. if it were some old crap from the foot of the division, we'd probably panic and throw it away.
Mind you, for a weekend that was all but ideal for us, my mood about the Villa remains depressingly low.
I think feelings and opinions about our safety, or lack thereof, can be separated from those relating to the manager and direction of the club.
Good for you, John. Is that you telling me how you feel, or how I should feel?
If I'm looking at the weekend's results, I'd reflect we've come out of the other side 'winning', even if we've done very little ourselves to profit. But the weekend has done little to lift my spirits or optimism, or overall enjoyment of following Villa. Maybe the current relegation battle and our performances can be viewed as separate to the direction of the club, maybe not. I'm struggling to do that. We'll stay up, but I won't be clenching my fists in joy at how we've achieved it.
Although I did tip us for a point on Saturday, in general I am pessimistic enough about our ability to finish this debate by actually winning a match that I, like most others have studied over and over again everyone elses' points, goal difference and remaining fixtures. I think Wigan will stay up, Blackburn are surely down and a Spurs win at Bolton on Wednesday would do us a huge favour. It has to be pointed out that with one very unfortunate exception Bolton haven't actually been winning games recently.What would worry me is if Bolton win that game. Also I do think QPR will beat Stoke if you look at Rangers' home record and Stoke's away record. The nightmare scenario for me is Bolton doing well in their last three games and QPR beating Stoke and then going to play a Man City side who have already blown the title.
Although I did tip us for a point on Saturday, in general I am pessimistic enough about our ability to finish this debate by actually winning a match that I, like most others have studied over and over again everyone elses' points, goal difference and remaining fixtures. I think Wigan will stay up, Blackburn are surely down and a Spurs win at Bolton on Wednesday would do us a huge favour. It has to be pointed out that with one very unfortunate exception Bolton haven't actually been winning games recently.What would worry me is if Bolton win that game. Also I do think QPR will beat Stoke if you look at Rangers' home record and Stoke's away record. The nightmare scenario for me is Bolton doing well in their last three games and QPR beating Stoke and then going to play a Man City side who have already blown the title.
I have to say that I think QPR are the poorest team I have seen at Villa Park this season (apart from Villa that is!!). Yes they have a bit of a threat with Cisse and Zamora, but as we saw yesterday they are absolutely woeful at the back. Can't really see them getting anything at Man City, even if City have nothing to play for and I can also see Stooke getting something out of the game down there.
I'm not relaxing until we are mathematically safe.
I remember when West Ham had no chance of staying up as they had to play at champions Manure on the last day and win.
The difference here was that Man U were already champions and had their flip flops on. When QPR go to Man City ont he last day, I doubt they would already be crowned.
I'm not relaxing until we are mathematically safe.
I remember when West Ham had no chance of staying up as they had to play at champions Manure on the last day and win.
The difference here was that Man U were already champions and had their flip flops on. When QPR go to Man City ont he last day, I doubt they would already be crowned.
Freak or unexpected results happen all the time though.
Who would have thought that Chelsea down to 10 men, losing 2-1 and with only something stupid like 20% possession would knock Barcelona out?
Who thought Fulham would stay up a few years ago when they were 2-0 down with 20 mins to go at Citeh in the 36th game of the season. Fulham had to win all their remaining games to have any chance of staying up.
Did anyone really think Sheff Utd would go down when we beat them 3-0 in that match that seems a lifetime ago.
Maybe Citeh will have won the title by then, maybe they'll be out of it. Or maybe they will still be in with a chance but bottle it. I just think we need to be wary of writing that game off as a nailed on Citeh win.
I'm not relaxing until we are mathematically safe.
I remember when West Ham had no chance of staying up as they had to play at champions Manure on the last day and win.
The difference here was that Man U were already champions and had their flip flops on. When QPR go to Man City ont he last day, I doubt they would already be crowned.
Freak or unexpected results happen all the time though.
Who would have thought that Chelsea down to 10 men, losing 2-1 and with only something stupid like 20% possession would knock Barcelona out?
Who thought Fulham would stay up a few years ago when they were 2-0 down with 20 mins to go at Citeh in the 36th game of the season. Fulham had to win all their remaining games to have any chance of staying up.
Did anyone really think Sheff Utd would go down when we beat them 3-0 in that match that seems a lifetime ago.
Maybe Citeh will have won the title by then, maybe they'll be out of it. Or maybe they will still be in with a chance but bottle it. I just think we need to be wary of writing that game off as a nailed on Citeh win.
Anyone else hoping for angry Harry to crush Bolton on Weds and then Woy's big hurrah and a WBA thrashing of Bolton on Sunday, but fearing that the FA may have just given6pts to Bolton?
They do, yet people are writing off our our chances of beating either Spurs or Norwich and putting the whole issue to bed once and for all!
Freak results don't happen all the time. That's why they're considered freak.
There have been a few unusual results recently, granted but this weekend for instance, Wigan aside, was very predictable.
I'm not saying all the results will go how they are expected from here on in. That would be too easy wouldn't it. But the majority will.
Freak results don't happen all the time. That's why they're considered freak.
There have been a few unusual results recently, granted but this weekend for instance, Wigan aside, was very predictable.
I'm not saying all the results will go how they are expected from here on in. That would be too easy wouldn't it. But the majority will.
They do, yet people are writing off our our chances of beating either Spurs or Norwich and putting the whole issue to bed once and for all!
I'm not writing them off but given our league record so far in 2012 I have to be honest and say i'm not overly confident of us winning either of them.
Not an ideal weekend for us, but the games are running out and we'll be fine. Wigan made up two points on us, we added a point to our gap over QPR, the gap between us and Bolton stays the same. Blackburn, as we expected, are falling behind.
One place left now. I think Wigan's momentum will take them above us, while Bolton will overhaul QPR (Stoke and Man City? Don't fancy them) - it'll be Blackburn and QPR to drop, I think.
If there were five games to go, I'd be seriously worried but the games are ticking by, and without us doing an awful lot to help ourselves, we're slowly getting there.
I think we'll have to disagree on freak or unexpected results happening "all the time" PWS.Surely a 'freak result' is John Merrick getting his tops and fingers with Kelly Brook.
Again, I think that is a paradoxical statement but, no matter.
No, a freak result in proper terms this season is an Aston Villa win isn't it? :-[
I think we'll have to disagree on freak or unexpected results happening "all the time" PWS.
Again, I think that is a paradoxical statement but, no matter.
1 happened this week. We can cope with the odd one. Even expect it.
It would take a calamitous glut of them to doom us now.
Talking of freak outcomes, someone said (cant remember who) on one of the threads that they bet the goal that saves us comes from a corner.
I reckon that's going to happen, too.
QPR have been relegated tonight.
Show's over folks.
Title race guarenteed to go to the last day, no way Man. City with 17 home wins will not win that game.
Unless people want to argue playing a Norwich team already on the beach judging by their performance against Liverpool, is a much harder game?!
Title race guarenteed to go to the last day, no way Man. City with 17 home wins will not win that game.
Unless people want to argue playing a Norwich team already on the beach judging by their performance against Liverpool, is a much harder game?!
They have to beat Newcastle first.
If there was ever a club that you could see fucking up a league title by stumbling at home on the last day of the season against a relegation threatened club it would be Citeh. Or us.Very true so lets not get to excited.
It'll take a miraculous amount of bad luck to send us down now.
It'll take a miraculous amount of bad luck to send us down now.My pessimistic Brummie gene wants to disagree with you. My more rational gene agrees with you.
Title race guarenteed to go to the last day, no way Man. City with 17 home wins will not win that game.
Unless people want to argue playing a Norwich team already on the beach judging by their performance against Liverpool, is a much harder game?!
They have to beat Newcastle first.
Wolves are down, Blackburn almost definitely cannot catch us, and you wouldn't expect QPR to get enough to move above us.
Even on top of that, I doubt Wigan and Bolton will finish above us. It'll take a miraculous amount of bad luck to send us down now.
A point will take it to the last day aswell.Not even that, it has gone to the last day. If Citeh lose next week and United win, Citeh can still overtake United on the last day with a reverse of the results.
I'm as gloomy and doom filled as the gloomiest of us, but there's no way we're going down now.And a big cheer for The Peoples Choice ;D our Arry for giving Bolton a good seeing too, hopefully.
Hurrah for the oil-rich Arabs for urinating their money all over Man City!
Hurrah for (oil rich) Chelsea for putting QPR to the sword!
Hurrah for Steve Kean for having his team put in the best impression of us at WHL they could possibly have done!
I've rooted for Chelsea, Spurs and Man City in one weekend.
I feel quite ashamed but... I'll get over myself.
I've rooted for Chelsea, Spurs and Man City in one weekend.
I feel quite ashamed but... I'll get over myself.
Oh bollocks. Does that mean I have to want those stripy pricks to beat Bolton?I wonder if Mr. Woodhall will be saying a quiet prayer for the Tesco Bags on Sunday.
Nope, was referring to Stoke beating QPR, I don't care about Bolton or Wigan!Tend to agree with this.
All of the predictions about remaining fixtures seem to be assuming we won't get anything against Spurs. I don't see why we can't get a decent result on Sunday.
All of the predictions about remaining fixtures seem to be assuming we won't get anything against Spurs. I don't see why we can't get a decent result on Sunday.
Aren't Stoke hopeless away from home? Despite City's win yesterday giving them something to play for on the last day whatever happens, I still have a dread of going into he last match equal on points. I will age ten years.
I quite agree. Doesn't mean I won't be bricking it on the final day unless we are already three points ahead of QPR.Aren't Stoke hopeless away from home? Despite City's win yesterday giving them something to play for on the last day whatever happens, I still have a dread of going into he last match equal on points. I will age ten years.
Yes, if that's the case, would you rather be playing Norwich away or Man City away knowing you have a superior goal difference? I still think we can get t least a point from the Spurs game, and if we're fired up, another point at least from Norwich if not all three. All we need really is 1 point from the last two games because there's no way QPR will get 6 points from their two games.
Here's the nightmare scenario for us:-QPR wouldn't even need to win if they beat Stoke, a draw would do it.(If we don't pick up any more points)
Man City lose away at Newcastle next game, putting it back in Man Utd's hands they beat Swansea and are two or three up in their last game, meaning Man City aren't going to win the league. At the same time, their game with QPR is nil nil and they have nothing to play for, but QPR do having beaten Stoke at home.
Then we can all start to collectively brick it!!
Have Wigan and Bolton suddenly been awarded extra points today?Dave, I have had cause to see how both courage and panic are contagious and I am ashamed to be a spreader of panic. I really think we will stay up but I can't help the little voice of fear whispering in my ear.
Have Wigan and Bolton suddenly been awarded extra points today?
Have Wigan and Bolton suddenly been awarded extra points today?
Have Wigan and Bolton suddenly been awarded extra points today?
Here's a nightmare scenario. We need a win against Norwich to stay up and a monster is chasing me down some winding stairs. I have a gun but it doesn't work. Then this beautiful woman drags me into her bedroom to escape and we make love, but I realise afterwards its my mate's mum and she has AIDS.
That's not a nightmare, that's just Monday morning.
singing KROHere's a nightmare scenario. We need a win against Norwich to stay up and a monster is chasing me down some winding stairs. I have a gun but it doesn't work. Then this beautiful woman drags me into her bedroom to escape and we make love, but I realise afterwards its my mate's mum and she has AIDS.
Then you're walking down the street and realise you have no clothes on.
Dragging your knuckles along the floor,frothing at the mouth while dreaming of shagging your sister!singing KROHere's a nightmare scenario. We need a win against Norwich to stay up and a monster is chasing me down some winding stairs. I have a gun but it doesn't work. Then this beautiful woman drags me into her bedroom to escape and we make love, but I realise afterwards its my mate's mum and she has AIDS.
Then you're walking down the street and realise you have no clothes on.
... whilst JJ_AV is quietly whispering in your ear that he wants to see more experience, evne if that means having Emule upfront (which is a somewhat distrubing image, in the context of the dream about your sister)Dragging your knuckles along the floor,frothing at the mouth while dreaming of shagging your sister!singing KROHere's a nightmare scenario. We need a win against Norwich to stay up and a monster is chasing me down some winding stairs. I have a gun but it doesn't work. Then this beautiful woman drags me into her bedroom to escape and we make love, but I realise afterwards its my mate's mum and she has AIDS.
Then you're walking down the street and realise you have no clothes on.
We absolutely have to match or better Bolton's result against Spurs tomorrow, when we play them on Sunday.
If Bolton win or draw tomorrow and we draw or lose on Sunday we are going to go down IMO.
Citeh winning last night was massive, it means they'll have something to play for when they meet QPR on the final day. Should we pick up just 1 more point this season it means QPR have to beat Stoke at home and Man City away to finish above us.
Blackburn can not finish above us (realistically).
It's between us, Bolton and QPR IMO.
If Bolton win or draw tomorrow and we draw or lose on Sunday we are going to go down IMO.Because the QPR team that got annihilated on Sunday is suddenly going to spring into life against Stoke and Manchester City?
If Bolton win or draw tomorrow and we draw or lose on Sunday we are going to go down IMO.Because the QPR team that got annihilated on Sunday is suddenly going to spring into life against Stoke and Manchester City?
They might. And we might not get hammered by a Spurs side that hasn't won an away match since last year. There are lots of variables involved.If Bolton win or draw tomorrow and we draw or lose on Sunday we are going to go down IMO.Because the QPR team that got annihilated on Sunday is suddenly going to spring into life against Stoke and Manchester City?
Well, they beat Spurs and battered Swansea in two of their previous three, as well as beating Arsenal and Liverpool in March, so I wouldn't count them out of getting something from either game.
They might. And we might not get hammered by a Spurs side that hasn't won an away match since last year. There are lots of variables involved.If Bolton win or draw tomorrow and we draw or lose on Sunday we are going to go down IMO.Because the QPR team that got annihilated on Sunday is suddenly going to spring into life against Stoke and Manchester City?
Well, they beat Spurs and battered Swansea in two of their previous three, as well as beating Arsenal and Liverpool in March, so I wouldn't count them out of getting something from either game.
However, if we draw against Spurs (as per his apocalyptic scenario) then QPR HAVE to beat both Stoke and Man City. Without even taking into account what we do against Norwich.
So saying 'if Bolton win and we draw then we're going to go down' is utterly ridiculous.
Oh bollocks. Does that mean I have to want those stripy pricks to beat Bolton?
If Bolton win or draw tomorrow and we draw or lose on Sunday we are going to go down IMO.Because the QPR team that got annihilated on Sunday is suddenly going to spring into life against Stoke and Manchester City?
Well, they beat Spurs and battered Swansea in two of their previous three, as well as beating Arsenal and Liverpool in March, so I wouldn't count them out of getting something from either game.
http://www.football365.com/topical-top-10/7720335/F365-s-Top-Ten-Worst-Teams-To-Stay-Up
http://www.football365.com/topical-top-10/7720335/F365-s-Top-Ten-Worst-Teams-To-Stay-UpBugger me!
If Spurs win tomorrow at Bolton and Chelsea/Newcastle share the points, then Spurs will only need 4 points from their last two matches to secure 4th spot. They may then settle for a draw at Villa knowing they have a last day easy fixture at home to Fulham. We may then be able to celebrate safety.
If Spurs win tomorrow at Bolton and Chelsea/Newcastle share the points, then Spurs will only need 4 points from their last two matches to secure 4th spot. They may then settle for a draw at Villa knowing they have a last day easy fixture at home to Fulham.Have you seen where Fulham are in the table ? If I was ' Arry I know who I'd fancy to beat more
I see the vote couldn't be closer!
If Spurs win tomorrow at Bolton and Chelsea/Newcastle share the points, then Spurs will only need 4 points from their last two matches to secure 4th spot. They may then settle for a draw at Villa knowing they have a last day easy fixture at home to Fulham. We may then be able to celebrate safety.
So it's also now looking like QPR and Bolton will have to take 4 points(minimum) from their last two games, and we get nothing for us to be relegated. I'm fairly confident now, so come on board sack Mcleish now.
So it's also now looking like QPR and Bolton will have to take 4 points(minimum) from their last two games, and we get nothing for us to be relegated. I'm fairly confident now, so come on board sack Mcleish now.
I think we have more class than that, I think they will 'allow' him to resign at the end of the season, so he can at least try and make it look like it was his decision.
QPR will beat Stoke and Bolton will beat WBA, no question. It's all about what they'll do intheir last game that will define our fate, as I think we'll lose both of ours.
QPR will beat Stoke and Bolton will beat WBA, no question.
So, by my reckoning, if we match the result of either QPR or Bolton in either of the last 2 games, we are safe due to goal difference. Is that right?
So, by my reckoning, if we match the result of either QPR or Bolton in either of the last 2 games, we are safe due to goal difference. Is that right?
So, by my reckoning, if we match the result of either QPR or Bolton in either of the last 2 games, we are safe due to goal difference. Is that right?
Yep. And in any order. If they both win on Saturday and we lose it gets a bit squeaky though,so you'd think McLeish would view it as a 'free' game and have a go.
he won't
He needs to win to avoid setting a new record of just 4 home wins in a season.So, by my reckoning, if we match the result of either QPR or Bolton in either of the last 2 games, we are safe due to goal difference. Is that right?
Yep. And in any order. If they both win on Saturday and we lose it gets a bit squeaky though,so you'd think McLeish would view it as a 'free' game and have a go.
he won't
QPR will beat Stoke and Bolton will beat WBA, no question.
QPR will beat Stoke and Bolton will beat WBA, no question. It's all about what they'll do intheir last game that will define our fate, as I think we'll lose both of ours.
QPR will beat Stoke and Bolton will beat WBA, no question. It's all about what they'll do intheir last game that will define our fate, as I think we'll lose both of ours.
I disagree, don't think it's 'no question' at all. One of those two games could easily be a draw
I wouldn't want to HAVE to beat Stoke, Agent Crouch will sort it.
There's no doubt in my mind that it's going go down to the last day, just like the title. It's far too Sky-perfect to happen any other way.Probably, between QPR and Bolton.
Who do Blackburn and Wigan have to play? Wigan only have as many points as us don't they?Blackburn and Wolves, yes Wigan face by far the easiest equation of all four clubs but by no means are they a shoo in. As rubbish as they are Blackburn are fighting for survival this Saturday, so we may somehow see a bit more from them though I wouldn't bet on it. They then face Chelsea on the last day, slim chance at best.
I don't think we will go down. 1 more point in the next 2 games would see us safe I think because of our superior goal difference.I won't call that "superior", "better" maybe.
QPR will beat Stoke and Bolton will beat WBA, no question.
I dont think its anything like that obvious. I think both will be draws.
Another way of looking at it is from a Stoke view. Do you think they will get no points playing against 2 teams in the bottom 4
Sorry to be a pedant, but the precise term for our goal difference is 'less worser'
QPR will beat Stoke and Bolton will beat WBA, no question.
I dont think its anything like that obvious. I think both will be draws.
Yes, is this the same QPR side that got absolutely twatted last week and the same Bolton that got err absolutely twatted at home last night?
Unless they have entire new squads and a sudden confidence boost from somewhere I think one of them will lose...they are under massive massive pressure...
Those were the days when it was goal average. That used to fuck people up who hadn't got a copy of their 41 times table.
We are really bad, and deserve to go down, if anything keeps us up it will probably be luck.
We are really bad, and deserve to go down, if anything keeps us up it will probably be luck.
We'll only deserve to go down if we finish in the bottom 3.
I'm sick of hearing this now. We're not a very good team at all but if we stay up its because we deserve to, because there are at least three other teams who are worse than we are and not luck at all.
We are really bad, and deserve to go down, if anything keeps us up it will probably be luck.
We'll only deserve to go down if we finish in the bottom 3.
I'm sick of hearing this now. We're not a very good team at all but if we stay up its because we deserve to, because there are at least three other teams who are worse than we are and not luck at all.
You obviously don't empty the dishwasher.
Those were the days when it was goal average. That used to fuck people up who hadn't got a copy of their 41 times table.
Just think how gutted the Baggies fans will be if they beat Bolton and that is what keeps us up.
On second thoughts, most of them can't count so they probably won't realise.
I agree with Maz, no matter how poor we have been all season we've always had at 5 teams below us and have never been in the bottom three. The reason for this is because the 5 teams have been worse. That's not luck, it's called points accumulation.Blues weren't in the bottom 3 til the last day
I agree with Maz, no matter how poor we have been all season we've always had at 5 teams below us and have never been in the bottom three. The reason for this is because the 5 teams have been worse. That's not luck, it's called points accumulation.Blues weren't in the bottom 3 til the last day
QPR and Bolton's next games have got draw written all over them.
QPR and Bolton's next games have got draw written all over them.
I wish ours did
QPR and Bolton's next games have got draw written all over them.
I can't see him going for a win at all.
Incorrect I think on the first point as Man Utd have to go to Sunderland on the last day and despite a recent usual MON springtime dip in form, they are capable of beating Man Utd as they did Man City and a few other notable scalps at the SOL this season. They have a few players too who will be keen to prove a point to Ferguson
There is no scenario where Man City are out of the title chase.
There is no scenario where Man City are out of the title chase.
But there is a scenario whereby ManU could be by the last day, which is just as worrying.
There is no scenario where Man City are out of the title chase.
But there is a scenario whereby ManU could be by the last day, which is just as worrying.
Why?
There is no scenario where Man City are out of the title chase.
But there is a scenario whereby ManU could be by the last day, which is just as worrying.
Why?
I still think we will avoid the drop but I will be very worried if City lose to Newcastle, United win this weekend and we lose. All three results are very probable.
City would still be in the title race, I agree, but it's out of their hands and stranger things have happened than it all going wrong for them on the final day against QPR who will almost certainly have to get a point out of that game to avoid going down.
A bit like how Man U took it easy against Blackpool ?
ManC will want to win in front of their home support .
4-0 City it will be like a training match for them
So nobody backs us to beat Norwich then?
What's the most likely though?A bit like how Man U took it easy against Blackpool ?
ManC will want to win in front of their home support .
4-0 City it will be like a training match for them
or maybe like they did against West Ham a year earlier ?
What's the most likely though?A bit like how Man U took it easy against Blackpool ?
ManC will want to win in front of their home support .
4-0 City it will be like a training match for them
or maybe like they did against West Ham a year earlier ?
I still think we will avoid the drop but I will be very worried if City lose to Newcastle, United win this weekend and we lose. All three results are very probable.
City would still be in the title race, I agree, but it's out of their hands and stranger things have happened than it all going wrong for them on the final day against QPR who will almost certainly have to get a point out of that game to avoid going down.
So nobody backs us to beat Norwich then?
I'm pretty relaxed about the situation. I may come out of the wardrobe some time next week
I really hope we are mathematically safe by the last game. Our record at Carrow Road is awful.But the beer is very good.
There is no scenario where Man City are out of the title chase.
But there is a scenario whereby ManU could be by the last day, which is just as worrying.
Why?
ManC win on Saturday and ManU lose. The title race is over then, and City can take it easy on the last day and concentrate on the celebrations.
I'm pretty relaxed about the situation. I may come out of the wardrobe some time next week
Don't forget to take the orange out of your mouth.
There is no scenario where Man City are out of the title chase.
But there is a scenario whereby ManU could be by the last day, which is just as worrying.
Why?
ManC win on Saturday and ManU lose. The title race is over then, and City can take it easy on the last day and concentrate on the celebrations.
Very unlikey Man Utd will lose and even in that scenario, as Risso has said, Man City are more likely to play fringe players who would still give QPR a bollocking in a carnival atmosphere.
Just because you NEED to win a game doesnt mean you play better. In fact, quite often the opposite is true.
Pressure.
I expected Chelsea to beat Newcastle, but they didn't.If QPR do get more than 3 points from Stoke I'd be very surprised indeed.
However, even if Man City lose and Man Utd beat Swansea, it's still only 3 points, so they need to beat QPR anyway to take it on goal difference should Man Utd slip up last game.
So either way, I just can't see QPR getting anymore than 3 points from Stoke.
I really miss having nothing to play for.I agree it's so boring now, this seasons dead to me so I'm going to support Newcastle United "Home of the Fantastic Geordies" fight for 3rd place in the league.
Bookies have QPR and Bolton at evens and us at 20 to 1. Doesn't make me feel any better!
Beat Spurs and we will be fine but knowing us and that dreadful home form...two points from the final two games will do.
A point against Spurs for us, with Bolton losing yet again at home to the Baggies, with QPR being held to a 1-0 loss to stoke is not outside the realms of possibility.just as us going down to Spurs, Bolton trouncing the Baggies and QPR getting 3 points against Stoke with a flukey own goal
No I think we'll stay up. I'm just a nervous wreck waiting for it to happen.Bookies have QPR and Bolton at evens and us at 20 to 1. Doesn't make me feel any better!
Stick some cash on then if you are that convinced we are going down.
Or just give me a tenner.
No I think we'll stay up. I'm just a nervous wreck waiting for it to happen.Bookies have QPR and Bolton at evens and us at 20 to 1. Doesn't make me feel any better!
Stick some cash on then if you are that convinced we are going down.
Or just give me a tenner.
If we lose and the other 2 get any points then we are right in itNot really.
I think it will go to the last game. If we lose and the other 2 get any points then we are right in it, I don't think mcleish or the players have got the motivation to keep us up then! Nervous times!Well QPR do have an easy last game..nailed on win for them, their away form is awesome and Citeh will have nowt to play for...oh hang on... ;-)
Anyone else hoping for angry Harry to crush Bolton on Weds and then Woy's big hurrah and a WBA thrashing of Bolton on Sunday, but fearing that the FA may have just given6pts to Bolton?
You can still get 949/1 on us going down.
I still want Bolton to stay up, QPR down please.
I still want Bolton to stay up, QPR down please.
I'm undecided. On the one hand, Bolton dropping lessens the likelihood of ever seeing Kevin Davies in the Premier League again. But on the other, he'll just end up at his spiritual home: Stoke City.
I still want Bolton to stay up, QPR down please.
I'm undecided. On the one hand, Bolton dropping lessens the likelihood of ever seeing Kevin Davies in the Premier League again. But on the other, he'll just end up at his spiritual home: Stoke City.
I'd take a bet he ends up at Sunderland!
I'm undecided. On the one hand, Bolton dropping lessens the likelihood of ever seeing Kevin Davies in the Premier League again. But on the other, he'll just end up at his spiritual home: Stoke City.
But for a late equaliser from West Brom, and the lack of a late winner from Spurs, it could have been so much different. Although we are safe with a game to go, we were treading a very fine line.
I'm undecided. On the one hand, Bolton dropping lessens the likelihood of ever seeing Kevin Davies in the Premier League again. But on the other, he'll just end up at his spiritual home: Stoke City.
...or Heskey's replacement at VP!
But for a late equaliser from West Brom, and the lack of a late winner from Spurs, it could have been so much different. Although we are safe with a game to go, we were treading a very fine line.
Too many teams in London that get too much media coverage. Despite the dreadful result liked the way Bolton fans applauded the 19th minute. Also Reebok is 35mins away from where I live and they love signing our rejects!
Replacement?I'm undecided. On the one hand, Bolton dropping lessens the likelihood of ever seeing Kevin Davies in the Premier League again. But on the other, he'll just end up at his spiritual home: Stoke City.
...or Heskey's replacement at VP!
Don't like QPR. Don't like their fans. Don't like their chants. Don't like Joey Barton.
Don't like QPR. Don't like their fans. Don't like their chants. Don't like Joey Barton.
This for me
Bizarre stat of the day (well it's a bit bizarre to me). We could finish the season with only 2 or 3 more defeats than Arsenal do. We've currently lost 13 and they've lost 10.
Let's move on sharpish, go to Norwich and play care free footy!I'd hope for this now.
IBTL
We're also spared MOTD cutting between our's, Bolton's and QPR's games next week.
I don't understand, given their respective last games, how Bolton can be odds on to go down while QPR are 5/2.
I don't understand, given their respective last games, how Bolton can be odds on to go down while QPR are 5/2.
As has been said on this thread several times over, the bookies are placing a huge amount of weight on current league positions in their pricing. There's been little appreciation of form or fixtures throughout the relegation battle.
The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
Draw at Norwich to clinch the record for most draws in the drabbest season ever.
The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
And yet now you disagree with them. What's the difference in you disagreeing with them about Bolton and QPR's odds of survival and anyone else disagreeing with them about the Villa's four weeks ago?
The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
And yet now you disagree with them. What's the difference in you disagreeing with them about Bolton and QPR's odds of survival and anyone else disagreeing with them about the Villa's four weeks ago?
Because this is a straightforward two games and it seems strange that they're so confident Bolton won't win.
The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
And yet now you disagree with them. What's the difference in you disagreeing with them about Bolton and QPR's odds of survival and anyone else disagreeing with them about the Villa's four weeks ago?
Because this is a straightforward two games and it seems strange that they're so confident Bolton won't win.
The only possible combination of results that lead to Bolton staying up is Bolton winning and QPR losing. I'd say the odds are about right.
I've not looked, but presumably the odds of Bolton staying up are the same odds as them beating Stoke plus a tiny bit added in for the 10-1 or so QPR win at Man City?The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
And yet now you disagree with them. What's the difference in you disagreeing with them about Bolton and QPR's odds of survival and anyone else disagreeing with them about the Villa's four weeks ago?
Because this is a straightforward two games and it seems strange that they're so confident Bolton won't win.
The only possible combination of results that lead to Bolton staying up is Bolton winning and QPR losing. I'd say the odds are about right.
I don't understand, given their respective last games, how Bolton can be odds on to go down while QPR are 5/2.
As has been said on this thread several times over, the bookies are placing a huge amount of weight on current league positions in their pricing. There's been little appreciation of form or fixtures throughout the relegation battle.
What's been said on this thread several times over is a lot of hysteria and doomsaying. The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
Take away Weimann's goal in the dying seconds against Fulham and we'd be on 35 points now, we've been that poor.
Take away Weimann's goal in the dying seconds against Fulham and we'd be on 35 points now, we've been that poor.
I don't understand, given their respective last games, how Bolton can be odds on to go down while QPR are 5/2.
As has been said on this thread several times over, the bookies are placing a huge amount of weight on current league positions in their pricing. There's been little appreciation of form or fixtures throughout the relegation battle.
What's been said on this thread several times over is a lot of hysteria and doomsaying. The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
I don't think I ever really thought we would go down, but it certainly worried me, especially after the Bolton game. But for a last minute goal by West Brom and a crazy challenge by Rose, we'd be going into the last day very nervous, so I think calling people drama queens is a bit uncalled for.
I don't understand, given their respective last games, how Bolton can be odds on to go down while QPR are 5/2.
As has been said on this thread several times over, the bookies are placing a huge amount of weight on current league positions in their pricing. There's been little appreciation of form or fixtures throughout the relegation battle.
What's been said on this thread several times over is a lot of hysteria and doomsaying. The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
I don't understand, given their respective last games, how Bolton can be odds on to go down while QPR are 5/2.
As has been said on this thread several times over, the bookies are placing a huge amount of weight on current league positions in their pricing. There's been little appreciation of form or fixtures throughout the relegation battle.
What's been said on this thread several times over is a lot of hysteria and doomsaying. The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
The only reason the bookies seem to have been right is because WestBrom equalised with a few minutes to go.
Or because they understand that a league is made up of a complicated combination of results rather than just handpicking a few shit results by a few shit teams.I don't understand, given their respective last games, how Bolton can be odds on to go down while QPR are 5/2.
As has been said on this thread several times over, the bookies are placing a huge amount of weight on current league positions in their pricing. There's been little appreciation of form or fixtures throughout the relegation battle.
What's been said on this thread several times over is a lot of hysteria and doomsaying. The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
The only reason the bookies seem to have been right is because WestBrom equalised with a few minutes to go.
if Mcleish stays should we just keep this thread running ?
Drama queenery or not, everyone at the club from top down should be utterly ashamed at the speed with which we have become a shambling wreck of a club.
Limping over the line with a week to go is truly unacceptable. I don't think there's much dramatic about that.
We will probably change manager now but, lets be honest, how many of us trust Randy and th Boy Wonder to get it right this time, given how mindbendingly wrong they got it last time?
Drama queenery or not, everyone at the club from top down should be utterly ashamed at the speed with which we have become a shambling wreck of a club.I agree with all that, it's been awful and I fully expect it to get worse before it gets better.
Limping over the line with a week to go is truly unacceptable. I don't think there's much dramatic about that.
We will probably change manager now but, lets be honest, how many of us trust Randy and th Boy Wonder to get it right this time, given how mindbendingly wrong they got it last time?
I don't understand, given their respective last games, how Bolton can be odds on to go down while QPR are 5/2.
As has been said on this thread several times over, the bookies are placing a huge amount of weight on current league positions in their pricing. There's been little appreciation of form or fixtures throughout the relegation battle.
What's been said on this thread several times over is a lot of hysteria and doomsaying. The bookies have been right and the drama queens wrong.
I don't think I ever really thought we would go down, but it certainly worried me, especially after the Bolton game. But for a last minute goal by West Brom and a crazy challenge by Rose, we'd be going into the last day very nervous, so I think calling people drama queens is a bit uncalled for.
When you had some on here saying we were not only going down but going straight through to the third division, drama queens is dead right.
Thinking we would go straight into the third division would be drama queen behaviour but i didn't see anyone saying that. We were always likely to stay up but there was also a very real possibility we would have gone into the last day equal on points with QPR and Bolton, and then anything might have happened. You seem to think that Bolton might beat Stoke. Most people who were worried about going down weren't drama queens, it wasn't that far off happening.
They were wrong, yes, but not by enough to label them drama queens.*shrugs* I disagree.
They were wrong, yes, but not by enough to label them drama queens.*shrugs* I disagree.
It wasn't quite at the ridiculous level of last season, but as recently as ten days ago we had people saying that we had no chance of staying up.
Without taking into account important things like say, our remaining fixtures. Or other teams having to win games as well.
We haven't gone down, but we are probably going to stay up on goal difference.Again, I don't disagree. I wouldn't have taken issue with anybody who said "we could go down" or even "we are likely to go down".
It's not the most convincing "how mad we're you lot?" for those who thought we'd go down. They weren't right, but they weren't wrong by a very large degree.
Thinking we would go straight into the third division would be drama queen behaviour but i didn't see anyone saying that. We were always likely to stay up but there was also a very real possibility we would have gone into the last day equal on points with QPR and Bolton, and then anything might have happened. You seem to think that Bolton might beat Stoke. Most people who were worried about going down weren't drama queens, it wasn't that far off happening.
I saw it. I saw plenty of references to 'doing a Sheffield Wednesday.' Something like 63% in a poll said we'd go down. We haven't.
We've managed to stay up by winning 1 of our last 15 games. We've won 3 games in 2012. And one of those was against Bristol Rovers. It's not really surprising people started fearing the worst.
We've managed to stay up by winning 1 of our last 15 games. We've won 3 games in 2012. And one of those was against Bristol Rovers. It's not really surprising people started fearing the worst.If someone told me after the Fulham game that it was our last win of the season i would have told them don't be daft.
We've managed to stay up by winning 1 of our last 15 games. We've won 3 games in 2012. And one of those was against Bristol Rovers. It's not really surprising people started fearing the worst.If someone told me after the Fulham game that it was our last win of the season i would have told them don't be daft.
For it to be GD that keeps us up won't Bolton have to win, us lose and QPR get at least a point at Citeh?
We've managed to stay up by winning 1 of our last 15 games. We've won 3 games in 2012. And one of those was against Bristol Rovers. It's not really surprising people started fearing the worst.If someone told me after the Fulham game that it was our last win of the season i would have told them don't be daft.
Not many people could see us actually winning a game, the omens looked pretty bad. We have stayed up by drawing. Hardly convincing stuff.Not convincing at all.
Not many people could see us actually winning a game, the omens looked pretty bad. We have stayed up by drawing. Hardly convincing stuff.Not convincing at all.
But people were saying that we wouldn't do that. That we would lose to West Brom. And lose to Spurs. And then lost to Norwich. And then get relegated.
And it was always very unlikely that that was going to happen.
In my view yes. Lets move on and end this nightmare.Not many people could see us actually winning a game, the omens looked pretty bad. We have stayed up by drawing. Hardly convincing stuff.Not convincing at all.
But people were saying that we wouldn't do that. That we would lose to West Brom. And lose to Spurs. And then lost to Norwich. And then get relegated.
And it was always very unlikely that that was going to happen.
Great. We could end up staying up on goal difference, as the other teams have generally won games that you said they wouldn't, so I think it's all probably best left isn't it?
I didn't say that at all.Not many people could see us actually winning a game, the omens looked pretty bad. We have stayed up by drawing. Hardly convincing stuff.Not convincing at all.
But people were saying that we wouldn't do that. That we would lose to West Brom. And lose to Spurs. And then lost to Norwich. And then get relegated.
And it was always very unlikely that that was going to happen.
Great. We could end up staying up on goal difference, as the other teams have generally won games that you said they wouldn't, so I think it's all probably best left isn't it?
Drama queenery or not, everyone at the club from top down should be utterly ashamed at the speed with which we have become a shambling wreck of a club.
Limping over the line with a week to go is truly unacceptable. I don't think there's much dramatic about that.
We will probably change manager now but, lets be honest, how many of us trust Randy and th Boy Wonder to get it right this time, given how mindbendingly wrong they got it last time?
Absolutely correct, it's been pathetic. Although they'd struggle to bollocks up the managerial appointment as much as they did this time.
What are the parameters of success for a Villa Manager if they don't include wins at Villa Park?
What are the parameters of success for a Villa Manager if they don't include wins at Villa Park?
They're a lot lower after a year of McLeish, which is what gives me hope.
An ambitious young manager like Lambert will be thinking "I don't have to do much there to be considered a success, given what they've just been through".
Very much like MON will have in 2006.
You know, this premiership survival has been a bit skin of our teeth, either way. (Yes, I know, Bolton still have to score 17 to deny survival. At least, and then there are the other results, yadda, but we should be through, now.)You make some valid points, I think what has really caused the anger against Mcliesh is that he has lived up to his stereotype of being a very negative manager and this has looked like surrender. Winning at Villa Park is important if you want to get the fans on side and he hasnt.
I find myself a bit torn. There are the absolutely dreadful stats for AMcL. Lowest, worst, for over 100 years etc.
Then there's the abject (at times) performance of key players during the season, also quoted on here. And the serious injuries of some senior players, keeping them out for months, which is incredibly bad luck.
So, is AMcLeish the worst prospect for the new season? Could he sell, and buy better?
If he did, could the football get better? God, I hope so.
I find myself thinking, maybe, but I don't know how Randy is thinking. He might sack the bloke next week after Norwich, in which case this is academic.
If he doesn't, how long should Alex be given to prove that he has a plan? I'd say, Christmas.
Before a 2013 relegation watch kicks in. But as a Villa fan in this scenario I'd be expecting significant improvement by then. Mid-table at least, home wins and, ideally, in the Cups.
What are the parameters of success for a Villa Manager if they don't include wins at Villa Park?
oops I started this a couple of pages ago it's moved on since then. sorry
What are the parameters of success for a Villa Manager if they don't include wins at Villa Park?
They're a lot lower after a year of McLeish, which is what gives me hope.
An ambitious young manager like Lambert will be thinking "I don't have to do much there to be considered a success, given what they've just been through".
Very much like MON will have in 2006.
This is one of the few things that gives me hope.
The way I see it, we're currently going through another O'Leary situation, which means another glorious MON era chasing cups and 4th place is just around the corner.
...right?
What are the parameters of success for a Villa Manager if they don't include wins at Villa Park?
They're a lot lower after a year of McLeish, which is what gives me hope.
An ambitious young manager like Lambert will be thinking "I don't have to do much there to be considered a success, given what they've just been through".
Very much like MON will have in 2006.
This is one of the few things that gives me hope.
The way I see it, we're currently going through another O'Leary situation, which means another glorious MON era chasing cups and 4th place is just around the corner.
...right?
Wrong. Unless we have a new manager under a new buyer with billions to spend.
What are the parameters of success for a Villa Manager if they don't include wins at Villa Park?
They're a lot lower after a year of McLeish, which is what gives me hope.
An ambitious young manager like Lambert will be thinking "I don't have to do much there to be considered a success, given what they've just been through".
Very much like MON will have in 2006.
This is one of the few things that gives me hope.
The way I see it, we're currently going through another O'Leary situation, which means another glorious MON era chasing cups and 4th place is just around the corner.
...right?
Wrong. Unless we have a new manager under a new buyer with billions to spend.
I think when O'Neill arrived he benefitted from a massive groundswell of optimism that having a new owner gave the fans. But that was also a bit of a millstone - we could have certainly done better with the opportunity, but an immediate gatecrashing of the status quo was in hindsight overstretching ourselves. Any new manager will benefit from a reduced ceiling of expectation.
For it to be GD that keeps us up won't Bolton have to win, us lose and QPR get at least a point at Citeh?
Lou Z the expectation around Alex is that no one wil care
"The manager, for me now, is not good enough for the Premier League."
I wish I knew, I think they will be looking at ST sales really closely now that we are safe, and if there is not a decent upturn then I think they will consider thier options. UTV Lou ZLou Z the expectation around Alex is that no one wil care
Will come back after Norwich!
Quite possibly no-one will care. This has been a long hard season... I have no idea what Randy will do. Just speculatin'. Do you know?
Anything is possible, Hawkeye. UTV!
I wish I knew, I think they will be looking at ST sales really closely now that we are safe, and if there is not a decent upturn then I think they will consider thier options. UTV Lou ZLou Z the expectation around Alex is that no one wil care
Will come back after Norwich!
Quite possibly no-one will care. This has been a long hard season... I have no idea what Randy will do. Just speculatin'. Do you know?
Anything is possible, Hawkeye. UTV!
The so-called drama queens were at least right in knowing we were in a relegation scrap long ago, when others were complacently saying we were safe after the Fulham game, there's no way Wigan will win most of their games, there's no way QPR will beat Spurs, there's no way we won't win another game and so on. For anyone who cared to look at our last 10 or 11 fixtures, and McLeish's record, especially during the appalling run-in for Blues last year, it was always going to be a lot closer than some people thought. We are probably going to end up with fewer points than Blues got relegated with last season. So hardly an over-reaction to have been concerned, or even to have thought we would go down.
in the words of Paxman, Oh come onThe so-called drama queens were at least right in knowing we were in a relegation scrap long ago, when others were complacently saying we were safe after the Fulham game, there's no way Wigan will win most of their games, there's no way QPR will beat Spurs, there's no way we won't win another game and so on. For anyone who cared to look at our last 10 or 11 fixtures, and McLeish's record, especially during the appalling run-in for Blues last year, it was always going to be a lot closer than some people thought. We are probably going to end up with fewer points than Blues got relegated with last season. So hardly an over-reaction to have been concerned, or even to have thought we would go down.
So even though you were wrong, you were right.
in the words of Paxman, Oh come onThe so-called drama queens were at least right in knowing we were in a relegation scrap long ago, when others were complacently saying we were safe after the Fulham game, there's no way Wigan will win most of their games, there's no way QPR will beat Spurs, there's no way we won't win another game and so on. For anyone who cared to look at our last 10 or 11 fixtures, and McLeish's record, especially during the appalling run-in for Blues last year, it was always going to be a lot closer than some people thought. We are probably going to end up with fewer points than Blues got relegated with last season. So hardly an over-reaction to have been concerned, or even to have thought we would go down.
So even though you were wrong, you were right.
Don't forget at times We were 50/50 to go down.
Even though the bookies were quoting 14/1 at the time, bit hey they don't know what they are doing, I think the best odds at any time were no better than 4/1
It was close to call I mean I throught Wigan had no chance when they had to play Chelsea ,Liverpool ,Man United and Arsenal but they came through that ,fortuantly on the other hand QPR didn't do as well as I expected.
It was far to close for comfort ultimately and needs to be addressed so we are not in this position again.
In fairness, most of those that were saying we wouldn't go down were also saying it would be close and uncomfortable.
I personally get very little pleasure out of it and there's no gloating to be done because it's been an absolute horror season best forgotten at the soonest opportunity.
But its the people who were %100 certain we were going down that deserve a bit of teasing. I dont blame anybody for fearing it as a possibility because it was.
Now all I'm concerned about is that they're actually thinking about persisting with this man, which I find very difficult to believe but after so many digs in the guts this season you half expect it.
Thinking we would go straight into the third division would be drama queen behaviour but i didn't see anyone saying that. We were always likely to stay up but there was also a very real possibility we would have gone into the last day equal on points with QPR and Bolton, and then anything might have happened. You seem to think that Bolton might beat Stoke. Most people who were worried about going down weren't drama queens, it wasn't that far off happening.
I saw it. I saw plenty of references to 'doing a Sheffield Wednesday.' Something like 63% in a poll said we'd go down. We haven't.
The reference to Sheffield Wednesday was obviously people saying what "could" happen if we did go down. Which we didn't of course, not that staying up is anything to crow about.
I'd say that prediction is pretty much spot on IF we replace the Manager and give the new one a reasonable transfer budget.
Eighth next season, put yer shirt on it.
In fairness, most of those that were saying we wouldn't go down were also saying it would be close and uncomfortable.
I personally get very little pleasure out of it and there's no gloating to be done because it's been an absolute horror season best forgotten at the soonest opportunity.
But its the people who were %100 certain we were going down that deserve a bit of teasing. I dont blame anybody for fearing it as a possibility because it was.
Having a go at those who thought we were doomed, after we've secured safety, seems like a cheap swipe. I wasn't convinced that we'd go down myself, but there were times during the match on Sunday that I was more than a tad worried. I'd like to know how much those who knew we weren't going down won after putting their house on it at the bookies, and whether I can borrow some.
It's very much 'H&V' that, within hours of us securing our PL survival, we've found something else we can have a big row about.
I love this site sometimes.
Skin of our teeth is about right. Any other season and we'd be down - Bloose and Blackpool both went down on 39 points last season, and we may or may not equal or exceed that total. We've been incredibly lucky that 2 or 3 other teams have been incredibly shit. I really fear for us next season if he's still here.
It's very much 'H&V' that, within hours of us securing our PL survival, we've found something else we can have a big row about.
I love this site sometimes.
Skin of our teeth is about right. Any other season and we'd be down - Bloose and Blackpool both went down on 39 points last season, and we may or may not equal or exceed that total. We've been incredibly lucky that 2 or 3 other teams have been incredibly shit. I really fear for us next season if he's still here.
Last season was exceptional, go back a few more seasons and you'll see that our points total and GD would have kept us up in most of them.
Skin of our teeth is about right. Any other season and we'd be down - Bloose and Blackpool both went down on 39 points last season, and we may or may not equal or exceed that total. We've been incredibly lucky that 2 or 3 other teams have been incredibly shit. I really fear for us next season if he's still here.
Last season was exceptional, go back a few more seasons and you'll see that our points total and GD would have kept us up in most of them.
You're right. 35 or 36 is usually sufficient. Everyone talks of the magical 40 point mark when rarely is it required. Yes, there are 3 teams worse than us but normally the 3 bottom teams are much, much worse.
I'm not taking the piss out of anyone. I kept changing my mind.
The only time I thought we were totally screwed was during the Bolton games when their second goal went in, but then I remembered that I'd prediced a loss but that we'd still stay up, and tried to compose myself a bit.
I'm not taking the piss out of anyone. I kept changing my mind.
To my mind, the "told you so, we didn't get relegated" nonsense now is every bit as pointless as the "every team is going to win their remaining games, we won't win any" stuff was.
"And to think, you people thought we were doomed to relegation" - said with safety just secured (and only on the basis of goal difference) seven days before the end of the season, and us nestled in 16th place. Bit hollow, no?
I'd forgive anyone for being convinced we were going down. We were certainly shit enough for long enough to be right in the mix.
if you argue a point where there is a definite outcome like Relegation or Mcleish leaving then there will be those who called it right and those who didnt, winners and losers,
if you argue a point where there is a definite outcome like Relegation or Mcleish leaving then there will be those who called it right and those who didnt, winners and losers,
Blimey John, there aren't any prizes you know.
"Oooh, look at what you could have won, a speedboat!"
Fair enough John, but it's not like it's even worth being chuffed about being right. "We were marginally less pathetic than some people predicted". Fantastic.
I work with the guy with the 'GET THE ECK OUT OF HERE' banner he wont renew while McLeish is there. He hates it when i call him fickle. Who is right?
I work with the guy with the 'GET THE ECK OUT OF HERE' banner he wont renew while McLeish is there. He hates it when i call him fickle. Who is right?
I'm not buying a dictionary while it still contains words beginning with the letters M, C, L, E, I, S or H.
To my mind, the "told you so, we didn't get relegated" nonsense now is every bit as pointless as the "every team is going to win their remaining games, we won't win any" stuff was.
"And to think, you people thought we were doomed to relegation" - said with safety just secured (and only on the basis of goal difference) seven days before the end of the season, and us nestled in 16th place. Bit hollow, no?
I'd forgive anyone for being convinced we were going down. We were certainly shit enough for long enough to be right in the mix.
no , sorry not having that,
as far as i'm concerned you stand and fall on H+V by what you say, its all there in black and white,
if you are wrong thats it you have to be big enough to admit it.
Take the prediction of whether Mcleish goes,
80% on here a few months ago said he was 'going nowhere' including you,
every one banging on about how he's as solid as a rock and Randy would never get rid, i argued long and hard that he was a dead man walking and he would be toast come the next season.
as time has gone on people have changed there opinion , which everyone is allowed to do,
but we still dont know, he might stay and in that case i will have got it completly wrong and will hold my hands up come the time and take it on the chin.
if you argue a point where there is a definite outcome like Relegation or Mcleish leaving then there will be those who called it right and those who didnt, winners and losers,
on relegation i put my money where my mouth is, i thought we had enough points in the bag a number of weeks ago, and although it was tighter than i expected i was still right.
if Mcleish stays, i will expect i few 'i told you so's' and i will deserve them, i wont be sweeping anything under the carpet, whats said is said, thats the way it should be in my view.
I work with the guy with the 'GET THE ECK OUT OF HERE' banner he wont renew while McLeish is there. He hates it when i call him fickle. Who is right?
Risso you are a feckin knob..
Risso you are a feckin knob..
Oh please, if you're going to insult me at least take a leaf out of Damon's book and put a bit of effort in.
Risso you are a feckin knob..
Risso you are a feckin knob..
I must admit to having voted 'yes' after the Bolton game. That was the the first, and only, time that I thought it likely.
More by luck than judgement though ez, and that's the scary part! Still, we've got away with it, I just hope that Randy is paying attention to what's happened at Blackburn because that could so easily be us a year fom now!I'm trying to remember when we last moved up the table. Was it after the Fulham game? I remember us being 13th and 15th and now 16th. Thats why i think if we dropped into the bottom three we wouldn't have got out.
I must admit to having voted 'yes' after the Bolton game. That was the the first, and only, time that I thought it likely.
Same here.