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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 10, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
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As we've touched on transfer budgets in other threads, what do you think the amount will be?
I'm going for £6m, based on McDunderhead's quote that it would be 'a few Bosmans and a couple of players around £2-£3m'
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Where x = fuck all
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Tuppence ha'penny.
I can't see anyone of a decent calibre wanting to come here unless we can pay good wages. So we will have to scour Europe and find some bargains (which we seem to be doing). I can't see how buying up half the Dutch league is going to help though.
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15 million.
Edited to add, that will be the net spend.
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I imagine it'll be something like £12m or that. Surely they recognise the gaping holes in our squad? To stand still you have to spend no matter how good your youth players are.
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I really have no idea but have gone for £10m - £20m net.
There will be a number of bargains I'm sure but that's O.K as long as they are capable players.
A lot depends on who is leaving I suppose.
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I have a feeling there will be an influx of bruisers from Scotland.
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I reckon about £10m, plus whatever we generate by sales.
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I have a feeling there will be an influx of bruisers from Scotland.
Like a Hen night in Newcastle then.
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I have a feeling there will be an influx of bruisers from Scotland.
Yes, I would imagine he's been examining the shit that's available north of the border.
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I have a feeling there will be an influx of bruisers from Scotland.
But enough about the proposed Celtic friendly!
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Whatever we generate from sales. Or perhaps a percentage of that.
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Net spend or total? Picked 0 - 10 assuming it was net.
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I reckon it depends on who we sell and where we finish, but no more than £10M will come from Randy
Whatever the budget I don`t want that ginger tw@ to spend a penny of it tho >:(
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At the moment I'm going to go with between £3-£5 million net, because I'm feeling negative.
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Something has to give - 15m.
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It’ll be what ever Randy can find down the back of the sofa. About £1.34 in loose change, a sweet covered in fluff and an expired voucher for a free McDonalds apple pie.
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At the moment I'm going to go with between £3-£5 million net, because I'm feeling negative.
Are you Alex McLeish?
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Randy to fall in love with the club all over again and give Mctwat £100m.
First signing ...Zigic for £20m.
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I reckon 12 million from the club of tv/ season ticket cash plus sales of around 20 million (Warnock, Dunne, Bent, Makoun). So all in around 30-35 million, but about 10-12 net.
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So who will be leaving thats going to give us some money, I can easily see Bent not wanting to stay and Gabby wont stay for this manager. Whatever money we have I wouldnt trust it with McLeish.
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I think we'll sell Bent or swap him for somebody like Carroll (something I'm not totally opposed to). I don't think we'll see too many other players coming in after that but I've gone for the middle option out of hope.
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I reckon 12 million from the club of tv/ season ticket cash plus sales of around 20 million (Warnock, Dunne, Bent, Makoun). So all in around 30-35 million, but about 10-12 net.
sales is right .. about £22 million I reckon
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That's a very interesting question....did anyone hear Stanley Victor on Talkshite over the break ?? he was saying that he 'knew' there would be significant investment in Villa over the Summer......got me thinking about serious monies coming in from the Middle East....if only
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I hope Stan is right, I really do.
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So who will be leaving thats going to give us some money, I can easily see Bent not wanting to stay and Gabby wont stay for this manager. Whatever money we have I wouldnt trust it with McLeish.
Gabby will stay, I doubt he'll ever leave the Villa to be honest.
I can see: Warnock, Delph, Makoun, Cuellar, Guzan, Heskey, and perhaps Collins and Bent leaving. That should make us able to bring in a fair few decent players with the amount that'll save us from the wage bill and the odd transfer fee.
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If the money comes from what we can generate from sales,then it won't be a great deal,unless we sell Bent or Gabby,two players who i wouldn't want to see go. I can see it roughly being the same as last year 12-15,which isn't enough considering how poor and lacking in numbers we already are.
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I reckon 10m cash plus sales of Bent, Nzogbia, Warnock and Collins raise 30m so 40m cash.
I dont see NZOG staying
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Hopefully we can finish 15th rather than the 17th McDickhead would be satisfied with then we will have an extra £500.
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If we got 30 million for Bent, Dunne, Warnock and NZogbia and had another 15 to spend on top, we should be able, with bosmans, to rebuild the squad to the tune of 10-11 players. If they were mainly 22-26 and had sell on values and decent wages, we might end up stronger, although replacing Bent would be the big test. Get someone who scores as many and links play better following good scouting, then fair enough. I would certainly sell NZog with the right offer though, as Eck is never, ever going to get the best from him.
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The one saving grace I thought after they appointed the negative tit was that they had to throw some money at it to give him and them any chance of it working.
They didn't last summer and I don't hold out much hope for this. I think Bent will be on his bike mind so it depends what deal we do there I suppose.
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Bent will go and the proceeds will go to RL (a la Young, Downing) Depending on which league we're in (likely to be the Championship) there will be no budget - just a reliance on Bosmans and our youth system.
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Bent will go and the proceeds will go to RL (a la Young, Downing) Depending on which league we're in (likely to be the Championship) there will be no budget - just a reliance on Bosmans and our youth system.
The proceeds from Young & Downing did not "go to RL" and we're not likely to be in the Championship.
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Isn't the wage bill as big a factor as any net transfer budget spend ? Both in terms of players being cleared off the wage bill and what ridiculously inflated amount you have to pay for average journeyman footballers.
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For me there is no way around this, even with a new manager he will need to get into the transfer market with 25ML+ at least, Villa need a complete rebuild and any monies from players sold should also go straight into the kitty in addition.
IMO we need 35 to 40ML worth of new player, bearing in mind the inevitable departures.
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Don't forget Randy mentioned a big name signing in the summer a little while ago :)
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Don't forget Randy mentioned a big name signing in the summer a little while ago :)
I know who that is, its been on the cards since Jan ;)
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Don't forget Randy mentioned a big name signing in the summer a little while ago :)
I know who that is, its been on the cards since Jan ;)
*Insert Vennegoor of Hesselink joke here*
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It makes no sense to me that Randy would, after cutting off large investment in the squad and selling all our better players, suddenly decide to start investing in the playing squad again. That would be completely stupid and nonsensical.
The manager will get what ever he raises from player sales plus £10 for his birthday in a nice card.... unless we get outside investment.
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I heard the tenner was in the form of a book token.
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I heard the tenner was in the form of a book token.
Probably a token for GAME knowing our management.
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I go with the scottish bruisers notion. Loads of players with tattoos and shaven heads and scars not caused by football and wives who look like Brian Moore. Hutton clones.
He will be like Navin R Johnson in The Jerk. All I want is this remote. All I want is this remote and this lamp. All I want is this remote, this lamp and this ashtray. All I want is this remote, this lamp, this ashtray and this telephone. All I want is this remote...etc...etc...
£3-5 million tops.
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It makes no sense to me that Randy would, after cutting off large investment in the squad and selling all our better players, suddenly decide to start investing in the playing squad again. That would be completely stupid and nonsensical.
The manager will get what ever he raises from player sales plus £10 for his birthday in a nice card.... unless we get outside investment.
It does in a way doesn't it? He had to reign in the spending a bit in order to get the wage budget under control.
I don't think we'll spend big, certainly not this Summer, but I wouldn't be surprised if we did again in the future under Randy.
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I heard the tenner was in the form of a book token.
Probably a token for GAME knowing our management.
Don't forget Randy mentioned a big name signing in the summer a little while ago :)
I know who that is, its been on the cards since Jan ;)
*Insert Vennegoor of Hesselink joke here*
Two visits, two scores. Good work feller ;)
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It does in a way doesn't it? He had to reign in the spending a bit in order to get the wage budget under control.
I don't think we'll spend big, certainly not this Summer, but I wouldn't be surprised if we did again in the future under Randy.
But we are now pretty much back where he found us when he took us over. In order to get us back to challenging the top 6, he would again have to invest pretty heavily and/ or find an exceptionally talented management team. If he was still interested in winning things and being at the right end of the league surely a more controlled manner of wage cutting would have been employed rather than stopping investment in the squad completely. I just can't see him investing in the squad again.
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IF we stay up, to not spend £15m plus to refresh to squad would be a virtual guarantee of being down there next year.
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25m+
Randy has sorted the wage bill, his MBNA shares have quadrupled and we are now competing with Man City for signings...
One can dream.
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Expectations have definitely dropped over the last 18 months. We're obviously no longer top 6/8 material. But the view that if we don't spend £15m we're definitely down is overstated.
We've had a pretty bad run with absentees this year - not totally out of the ordinary but certainly on the bad side of normal: Jenas, Dunne, Bent, now Petrov.
We've still got quite a lot of pretty good premier league players. Most clubs outside the top 6 would take Gabby, Ireland, Given, Bent, N'Zog (this season's form notwithstanding). We've got about the best crop of home produced young players outside of ManU and Arse - none of them (except Gardner, fingers and everything crossed) look like being genuine superstars but about 6 or 7 have a half decent chance of making a good premier league career, way above what you would normally expect.
We're 7 or 8 points clear of relegation, and could yet finish in the top half.
Things aren't great, no one knows how much money we'll have, and McLeish isn't making many friends, but we will not go down this year barring a massive surprise, and are not favourites for relegation next year.
Most likely would be something like a fairly boring 14th place finish, but we could spring a surprise or two in the transfer market or more excitingly 2-3 of our youngsters could really kick on.
Looking forward to it already.
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Vegas. That's the whole point. Injuries happen. That's why you need a strong squad to compete. The 'if only we didn't have injuries' card doesn't wash in this league. You need to have competent replacements to compete.
We will get injuries next season too you know.
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I answer to the original question........ 2 rounds of drinks and a bacon sandwich.
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As I said in the 'future of McLeish' thread. I think a conservative estimate is that the likely season ticket sales/gate receipts, merchandise sales and prize money will add up to a loss of £12m+ on this years figures.
They can't ignore that, which leads to 4 possible situations:
1. The takeover rumours are true and the club is well on the way to qatari ownership. BIG BUDGET
2. The board realise that sacking McLeish will lead to a big uplift but will have to offer a decent budget to the replacement. DECENT BUDGET
3. The board don't get it and think giving McLeish money to buy a couple of shiny toys will bring all the fans back. BIG BUDGET
4. Lerner really has lost interest and the only reason to put any cash in is to keep us in the league. BOSMANS AND 75% SALES
1 and 4 seem unlikely to me so it's all down to how well McLeish has sold blaming the players to the board.
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As I said in the 'future of McLeish' thread. I think a conservative estimate is that the likely season ticket sales/gate receipts, merchandise sales and prize money will add up to a loss of £12m+ on this years figures.
They can't ignore that, which leads to 4 possible situations:
1. The takeover rumours are true and the club is well on the way to qatari ownership. BIG BUDGET
2. The board realise that sacking McLeish will lead to a big uplift but will have to offer a decent budget to the replacement. DECENT BUDGET
3. The board don't get it and think giving McLeish money to buy a couple of shiny toys will bring all the fans back. BIG BUDGET
4. Lerner really has lost interest and the only reason to put any cash in is to keep us in the league. BOSMANS AND 75% SALES
1 and 4 seem unlikely to me so it's all down to how well McLeish has sold blaming the players to the board.
Out of those I think option 4 is likely the most realistic.
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I would say we'll almost definitely have a net deficit again on transfer dealings. I can see us getting shot of Bent and N'Zogbia for say, £20m, and spending half of that on replacements.
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It does in a way doesn't it? He had to reign in the spending a bit in order to get the wage budget under control.
I don't think we'll spend big, certainly not this Summer, but I wouldn't be surprised if we did again in the future under Randy.
But we are now pretty much back where he found us when he took us over. In order to get us back to challenging the top 6, he would again have to invest pretty heavily and/ or find an exceptionally talented management team. If he was still interested in winning things and being at the right end of the league surely a more controlled manner of wage cutting would have been employed rather than stopping investment in the squad completely. I just can't see him investing in the squad again.
Correct. RL will not invest in the squad anymore, nor the stadium (which has exactly the same capacity as 2006). I wish he'd sell-up sooner rather than later, it's obvious his heart isn't in it anymore. Just hope there's a wealthy investor out there.
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It does in a way doesn't it? He had to reign in the spending a bit in order to get the wage budget under control.
I don't think we'll spend big, certainly not this Summer, but I wouldn't be surprised if we did again in the future under Randy.
But we are now pretty much back where he found us when he took us over. In order to get us back to challenging the top 6, he would again have to invest pretty heavily and/ or find an exceptionally talented management team. If he was still interested in winning things and being at the right end of the league surely a more controlled manner of wage cutting would have been employed rather than stopping investment in the squad completely. I just can't see him investing in the squad again.
Correct. RL will not invest in the squad anymore, nor the stadium (which has exactly the same capacity as 2006). I wish he'd sell-up sooner rather than later, it's obvious his heart isn't in it anymore. Just hope there's a wealthy investor out there.
Ah cheers, thanks for clarifying.
RANDY OUT!!!11111!
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IT cant be much if last summer is anything to go by...
When looking for a manager I seem to remember Benitez wanting the Villa job, but the board wouldn't meet his demand of a 30m Kitty?
I also think the hughes link died down because of a similar constraint from the board...
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11979_6993402,00.html
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Our problem this summer is we only have the option of flogging Darren Bent to fill the pot.
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I answer to the original question........ 2 rounds of drinks and a bacon sandwich.
OK, but the sarnie better not have red sauce on it!!
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Our problem this summer is we only have the option of flogging Darren Bent to fill the pot.
Well, him or Gabby.
But the other players still under contract who I'd be OK with seeing go are Dunne, Warnock, Makoun, Delph and the Fonz. Got to be circa £10m in there!
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Our problem this summer is we only have the option of flogging Darren Bent to fill the pot.
Well, him or Gabby.
But the other players still under contract who I'd be OK with seeing go are Dunne, Warnock, Makoun, Delph and the Fonz. Got to be circa £10m in there!
I thin kwe would be selling bent at a loss...
there must be sell on clause etc to sunderland, he hasnt had the best season, is injured and wont make th euros...
And gabby cant fetch more than 7 - 8mil in today market? (Reason is the top 6 wnt want him) and nobody else has money except maybe QPR?
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Our problem this summer is we only have the option of flogging Darren Bent to fill the pot.
Well, him or Gabby.
But the other players still under contract who I'd be OK with seeing go are Dunne, Warnock, Makoun, Delph and the Fonz. Got to be circa £10m in there!
I thin kwe would be selling bent at a loss...
there must be sell on clause etc to sunderland, he hasnt had the best season, is injured and wont make th euros...
And gabby cant fetch more than 7 - 8mil in today market? (Reason is the top 6 wnt want him) and nobody else has money except maybe QPR?
If you look at Bent's goals to games record since we signed him, I don't think his value will have decreased. We'd want at least what we paid, which was top dollar, so I can't see anyone else paying it, except maybe Liverpool. And I'd want £10m for Gabby.
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From what I understand Hughes and Randy didn't hit it off in the interview process and the likes of Benitez and Ancelotti didn't want to work with the wage reduction constraints that had to happen. Moyes was interested but felt too much loyalty to Everton (my guess is he didn't want to leave only to have more financial restrictions: With a bigger carrott dangled he may have done but that's just a guess).
Martinez was interested but had agreed and gave his word that upon survival the season prior, he would stay at Wigan.
So we were left with the bottom of the pile and unfortunately Randy and McLeish did hit it off and he was of course willing to stick it out with the financial restrictions.
You can blame O'Neill for most of that, I know I do. Firstly for putting us in the position and then for running away. But Randy has to shoulder a lot of it for letting him run amok with the finances and also for limiting the search to Premier League managers. Then opting for one of the worst choices he could have made. Anyway, that's been done to death. Just thought I'd share what I know.
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Bent & Nzog for £20m combined Risso?
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I'd want to keep both Bent and N'Zogbia.
The 'outs' for me over the summer would be:
Heskey
Guzan
Cuellar
Marshall
all out of contract and released (shame about Cuellar)
Sell
Dunne
Warnock (both players with a year left on their contracts, can probably get £2-3m each for them)
Makoun (decent player but his ship has sailed with us, I think: £3-4m for him because I believe his pedigree overseas is fairly high)
Delfouneso (a shame, again, but not working out for him: £1m from a Championship club)
I'd consider offers for Delph, too - if good enough, would be tempted to sell as we haven't seen a lot in three seasons. I'm divided on him because I'd be satisfied if we decide to persevere with him.
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Bent & Nzog for £20m combined Risso?
I'd say that's about right. Say £13m for Bent, £7m for N'Zog. Maybe a couple of million more.
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25m+
Randy has sorted the wage bill, his MBNA shares have quadrupled
They (now Bank of America) have doubled, so we are half way there. Seriously though, I am sure that the price of BofA stock is relevant to the amount of money available to Villa.
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Bent & Nzog for £20m combined Risso?
I'd say that's about right. Say £13m for Bent, £7m for N'Zog. Maybe a couple of million more.
He's scored something like 19 goals in around 40 games for us, so I don;t see how his value would have dropped?
Given the season he's had, £7m for N'Zogbia might be about right if we cashed in.
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I think it will be about £10.1m
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Just having a bit of fun.
Possible Villa squad for next season...
Given, Kuszczak, Siegrist
Hutton, Lichaj, Collins, Douglas, van Dijk, Clark, Baker, Pander, Stevens, Williams
Flamini, Guthrie, Delph, Herd, Gardner, Johnson, Bannan,
Holman, Albrighton, Hoilett, Ireland, Carruthers,
Carroll, Agbonlahor, Dost, Weimann, Burke
Gone from 11/12 squad:
Guzan, Marshall, Dunne, Warnock, Cuellar, Beye, Jenas, Makoun, Petrov (unfortunately), N'Zogbia, Heskey, Bent (have a feeling the swap deal with Carroll might happen), Delfouneso (a shame)
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Bent & Nzog for £20m combined Risso?
I'd say that's about right. Say £13m for Bent, £7m for N'Zog. Maybe a couple of million more.
He's scored something like 19 goals in around 40 games for us, so I don;t see how his value would have dropped?
Given the season he's had, £7m for N'Zogbia might be about right if we cashed in.
I think Bent is seen as a limited footballer by the big teams, which is why I can't see any of them coming in for him. Could see him going to somewhere like Stoke or Fulham for say £15m.
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We would have to be even more half-arsed than we actually are to consider swapping Bent for Carroll.
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Bent & Nzog for £20m combined Risso?
I'd say that's about right. Say £13m for Bent, £7m for N'Zog. Maybe a couple of million more.
He's scored something like 19 goals in around 40 games for us, so I don;t see how his value would have dropped?
Given the season he's had, £7m for N'Zogbia might be about right if we cashed in.
I think Bent is seen as a limited footballer by the big teams, which is why I can't see any of them coming in for him. Could see him going to somewhere like Stoke or Fulham for say £15m.
I agree about the big teams, as they could get someone with his goal tally who doesn't rely on others providing chances for him. But his value to us, with less than 18 months gone on his contract, is a lot more than the likes of Stoke or Fulham could afford to pay.
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You think we play long ball with Bent holding up the front line....
Just watch what happens if we had someone like Caroll up front!
EVERYTHING would be a big boot up to him to win... He doesnt get goals in a team that tries to play football so at the Villa, the way we are playing would probably make Hesky's recird look like Messi's!
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Well, I've been harping on about signing Bent for years so I dont want to lose him now. But in fairness to Carroll, Liverpool isnt right for him. How they play, his environment. Newcastle was right for him and and he was very effective.
Anyway, just a bit of fun that wouldn't be the biggest shock if it happened.
Liverpool are no longer a major force and Bent is plenty good enough for them. If he wanted to leave (otherwise I wouldn't entertain the idea) and go there, its an option. A very risky one but an option.
But keep Bent, sign Dost as the big man option and have Gabby and Weimann too and I'm happy.
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I really can't see us selling Bent for less than what we paid, I'd be more happy to see his contract run down and lose him for free in 4 years
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But keep Bent, sign Dost as the big man option and have Gabby and Weimann too and I'm happy.
Weimann aside, that'd be three of our biggest earners/most sellable assets competing for 1 position. Add Weimann back into the equation and then we're also in danger of hampering the development of a future star.
Not good squad/funds management for me, so I'd say run with the three and only look at the likes of Dost if Gabby or Bent leaves.
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I can't see anyone paying us £24mil+. And in 2 years time he'll be older and with less on his deal. So, if we look for a profit, it'll be this summer or never.
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It makes no sense to me that Randy would, after cutting off large investment in the squad and selling all our better players, suddenly decide to start investing in the playing squad again. That would be completely stupid and nonsensical.
Have to agree with that. It would make no sense to suddenly start having grand plans again. If the wage structure is paramount then the transfer fee-to-salary ratio would preclude any large purchases i.e. a big name signing = a big salary.
Or if we did make a large purchase it would, like the Bent signing, incur cutbacks and enforced sales in subsequent transfer windows.
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It makes no sense to me that Randy would, after cutting off large investment in the squad and selling all our better players, suddenly decide to start investing in the playing squad again. That would be completely stupid and nonsensical.
Have to agree with that. It would make no sense to suddenly start having grand plans again. If the wage structure is paramount then the transfer fee-to-salary ratio would preclude any large purchases i.e. a big name signing = a big salary.
Or if we did make a large purchase it would, like the Bent signing, incur cutbacks and enforced sales in subsequent transfer windows.
Not necessarily.
Randy has seen that investemnt in good young players can yield good rewards, both in terms of results and sell on value. What he has also seen is paying high wages to older players leaves you stuck with them. If we target two young players at £10m each, who between them earn Heskey's £60k a week, it makes financial aswell as footballing sense, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him sanction such deals.
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The main thing that suggests lack of spending this summer is the huge deficit in the accounts to May 2011. There were net current liabilities of £64m, which means that our creditors in the following 12 months exceeded the money due from debtors by that amount. Even allowing for the sales of Young and Downing which brought in £35m, we still spent £18m on new players, so had a transfer surplus of £17m, which would have reduced the deficit to £47m. Randy had to stick another £10m into the club in December, which I assume was just to keep things ticking over. I think anybody expecting a net spend of anything in the summer, let alone £20m is going to be disappointed.
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A fair few things have happened since May 2011. Plus, Randy can refinance Villa to suit himself if he has the inclination.
I'm not saying expect lavish investment, but he can if he chooses to.
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I think the net spend will be sod all.
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It makes no sense to me that Randy would, after cutting off large investment in the squad and selling all our better players, suddenly decide to start investing in the playing squad again. That would be completely stupid and nonsensical.
Have to agree with that. It would make no sense to suddenly start having grand plans again. If the wage structure is paramount then the transfer fee-to-salary ratio would preclude any large purchases i.e. a big name signing = a big salary.
Or if we did make a large purchase it would, like the Bent signing, incur cutbacks and enforced sales in subsequent transfer windows.
Not necessarily.
Randy has seen that investemnt in good young players can yield good rewards, both in terms of results and sell on value. What he has also seen is paying high wages to older players leaves you stuck with them. If we target two young players at £10m each, who between them earn Heskey's £60k a week, it makes financial aswell as footballing sense, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him sanction such deals.
It makes sense when you put it like that, in the context of Young and Downing, but then we've also spent money on other young players like Davies and Delph and got our fingers burnt. It also depends on McLeish spotting good young talent and persuading them to join Aston Villa.
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Hoping for a big turn around of players this year, but our net spend will be low. very low.
Can see:
Dunne, Collins, Ireland, Warnock, Heskey (free), Cuellar (free), Guzan (free), Nzogbia (if Eck stays), One of Gabby or Bent, Delfouneso leaving.
Who we bring in will be worrying though.
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It makes sense when you put it like that, in the context of Young and Downing, but then we've also spent money on other young players like Davies and Delph and got our fingers burnt. It also depends on McLeish spotting good young talent and persuading them to join Aston Villa.
Davies was a terrible signing, but I can't help think "what might have been" re Delph, had he not been so totally fucked by injuries.
The one area I'd like us to look at is investing in young players who are also cheap - Delph was always going to be up against it with an £8m transfer fee to justify.
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Hoping for a big turn around of players this year, but our net spend will be low. very low.
Can see:
Dunne, Collins, Ireland, Warnock, Heskey (free), Cuellar (free), Guzan (free), Nzogbia (if Eck stays), One of Gabby or Bent, Delfouneso leaving.
Who we bring in will be worrying though.
Not being doom and gloom on this but I do think Bent will be of I also think we will see Gabby depart the club, I hope not, but I can just see it happening, I think Ireland will go, Heskey will be released, and of course poor old Stan the man, Dunne and others, actually when you carry on like this you wonder who will be left.
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I had to keep comparing us to them, but Newcastle had a massive turn over this season-
Out: Forster, Enrique, Smith, Barton, Nolan, Routledge, Ranger
In: Elliot, Santon, Cabaye, Marveux, Obertan, Ba, Cisse
Replaced every one of them, spent about £10m net and reduced their wage bill massively to compensate.
That's without counting Carroll from the January previous.
It shows you can improve quality on a little budget and lower the wage bill.
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If we end up with mostly Bosman's we have to consider the majority of them end up on an even tidier salary than normal as no transfer fee is involved, the days of us paying 40k a week are long gone so we'll end up with shit players who've run their contracts out at clubs like Rangers, Ipswich and Derby
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I had to keep comparing us to them, but Newcastle had a massive turn over this season-
Out: Forster, Enrique, Smith, Barton, Nolan, Routledge, Ranger
In: Elliot, Santon, Cabaye, Marveux, Obertan, Ba, Cisse
Replaced every one of them, spent about £10m net and reduced their wage bill massively to compensate.
That's without counting Carroll from the January previous.
It shows you can improve quality on a little budget and lower the wage bill.
It can be done.
Scouting networks are pivitol in this, and it's something I would have trusted Houllier with. MON was hopeless with his network, not sure about McLeish's either...
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I had to keep comparing us to them, but Newcastle had a massive turn over this season-
Out: Forster, Enrique, Smith, Barton, Nolan, Routledge, Ranger
In: Elliot, Santon, Cabaye, Marveux, Obertan, Ba, Cisse
Replaced every one of them, spent about £10m net and reduced their wage bill massively to compensate.
That's without counting Carroll from the January previous.
It shows you can improve quality on a little budget and lower the wage bill.
It can be done.
Scouting networks are pivitol in this, and it's something I would have trusted Houllier with. MON was hopeless with his network, not sure about McLeish's either...
Mcleish discovered Van Persie remember
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Scouting networks are pivitol in this, and it's something I would have trusted Houllier with. MON was hopeless with his network, not sure about McLeish's either...
I was told - by someone who'd know - that MON had nothing even approaching a scouting network.
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Scouting networks are pivitol in this, and it's something I would have trusted Houllier with. MON was hopeless with his network, not sure about McLeish's either...
I was told - by someone who'd know - that MON had nothing even approaching a scouting network.
It's well known that he followed the Clough method of training, many times he wasn't present, turned up late or turned up when people least expected it.
Which I think was half the problem with him, he thought he was Clough but didn't have 10% of the talent, humour or charisma.
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Scouting networks are pivitol in this, and it's something I would have trusted Houllier with. MON was hopeless with his network, not sure about McLeish's either...
I was told - by someone who'd know - that MON had nothing even approaching a scouting network.
Which is why in something like seven years at Celtic and Villa, he bought something like 3 players from teams outside of the British Isles, out of his forty odd transfers.
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Scouting networks are pivitol in this, and it's something I would have trusted Houllier with. MON was hopeless with his network, not sure about McLeish's either...
I was told - by someone who'd know - that MON had nothing even approaching a scouting network.
Which is why in something like seven years at Celtic and Villa, he bought something like 3 players from teams outside of the British Isles, out of his forty odd transfers.
I'd love to know the rationale behind buying Habib Beye.
Must have just read somewhere that he played well for Newcastle.
With various players that he bought and seemingly went off the moment they got to Bodymoor Heath, I can only assume he never had players watched or scouted properly.
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Scouting networks are pivitol in this, and it's something I would have trusted Houllier with. MON was hopeless with his network, not sure about McLeish's either...
I was told - by someone who'd know - that MON had nothing even approaching a scouting network.
Which is why in something like seven years at Celtic and Villa, he bought something like 3 players from teams outside of the British Isles, out of his forty odd transfers.
I'd love to know the rationale behind buying Habib Beye.
Must have just read somewhere that he played well for Newcastle.
I can easily see the logic behind signing him.
I can't see the logic behind the length of his contract and the refusal to ever play him even though he did perfectly well on the few occasions he was allowed to play at right-back.
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Scouting networks are pivitol in this, and it's something I would have trusted Houllier with. MON was hopeless with his network, not sure about McLeish's either...
I was told - by someone who'd know - that MON had nothing even approaching a scouting network.
Which is why in something like seven years at Celtic and Villa, he bought something like 3 players from teams outside of the British Isles, out of his forty odd transfers.
I'd love to know the rationale behind buying Habib Beye.
Must have just read somewhere that he played well for Newcastle.
I can easily see the logic behind signing him.
I can't see the logic behind the length of his contract and the refusal to ever play him even though he did perfectly well on the few occasions he was allowed to play at right-back.
That's essentially it, Beye was a good player when we signed him. He was never worth the wages or length of contract we offered, but to not play him and offer him those things was madness.