Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Shrek on April 08, 2012, 12:37:56 PM
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Didn't know where to put this, so started a thread.
Only the current top 6 have lost fewer games than us. Which obviously means to many draws because we Definitely haven't won enough.
I know stats can be misleading but does this indicate that with a stronger defence we will be a much more effective team?
I'm sure we have lost the most points from winning positions aswell.
The one thing I would trust Alex McLeish to do, is build a solid defence if he can buy the players.
Now I would rather we replace Alex, but all the signs are that he is here to stay and Stan Collymore has said (yesterday) that There is going to be major investment in the squad this summer,
So has McLeish had a rough ride or is he really a negative manager who is scared of 'bigger' teams? Or is it just that he has realised our defence is that shit we just have to survive this season to start again in the summer?
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No, this is how his teams play. The number of wins and losses will vary very slightly but his teams in the premiership have always drawn more than anything else.
He is an over cautious and negative manager and he will remain so.
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We're always among the top drawers and it's why most people think we are boring aston vanilla.
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7th place is very good after the loss of Young and Downing.
Randy should offer Alex a longer improved contract.
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I wonder how many teams who have lost more at home than us?
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I wonder how many teams who have lost more at home than us?
WBA (9), Bolton (10), Blackburn (10) & Wolves (11). QPR have lost the same amount at home as us (7).
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Or to put it another way, only the bottom two have won fewer games than us.
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Or to put it another way, only the bottom two have won fewer games than us.
I think this is more the point. I personally would say we aren't very difficult to beat despite the stat that we haven't lost as many as the middle/lower table.
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Only Wigan have scored fewer goals at home than we have. That just about sums up the entertainment on offer at Villa Park.
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How many of the top 6, even the league, have played as many home grown players as we have this season? That makes me more proud than anything else written on these pages, and something I dont think any of the other teams can boast. Brilliant work by the coaches and early talent spotters. Thats entertainment to me. Zogman, have you watched Wigan play? In terms of "football entertainment" I would suggest that they rank well above a lot of teams higher in the league.
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Well quite, maybe I should have said that the stat was an indictment of our football's efficacy rather than its entertainment.
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No, this is how his teams play. The number of wins and losses will vary very slightly but his teams in the premiership have always drawn more than anything else.
He is an over cautious and negative manager and he will remain so.
Whilst he is our manager we will never average much more than a goal a game. That is why we will never be anything but crap under him.
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You could look on the positives of that statistic, but it's undeniable we have been absolutely dreadful in a fair few of those games and thoroughly deserved to lose.
Fulham away, Everton home, Everton away, QPR at home, Newcastle home coming to mind (although I may be wrong, just recalling).
QPR away and Sunderland away were games that we lost late leads, but were bettered in terms of our play on the day.
Then there were Swansea away and Wolves at home where the opposition were so poor that any sort of period of attacking dominance would have surely seen us pick up extra points.
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How many of the top 6, even the league, have played as many home grown players as we have this season? That makes me more proud than anything else written on these pages, and something I dont think any of the other teams can boast. Brilliant work by the coaches and early talent spotters. Thats entertainment to me. Zogman, have you watched Wigan play? In terms of "football entertainment" I would suggest that they rank well above a lot of teams higher in the league.
I agree. Blooding all these Academy lads is making this season for me. If they form the nucleus of future Villa sides then all the frustration will be worthwhile.
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How many of the top 6, even the league, have played as many home grown players as we have this season? That makes me more proud than anything else written on these pages, and something I dont think any of the other teams can boast. Brilliant work by the coaches and early talent spotters. Thats entertainment to me. Zogman, have you watched Wigan play? In terms of "football entertainment" I would suggest that they rank well above a lot of teams higher in the league.
I agree. Blooding all these Academy lads is making this season for me. If they form the nucleus of future Villa sides then all the frustration will be worthwhile.
I know the point you're making but I fear that if they are the nucleus of the team then we'll be in a division below the one we're in now. For me the team has a slight Paul Kerr, David Norton, Darren Bradley etc feeling to it at the moment and look what happened to that team.
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Stat I'm really surprised is the most games we've lost in a row in the league under McLeish this season is two. Spurs lost four in a row recently and we did a couple of times under MON. Still of course we also won more games under MON.
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Here's a stat. Only 14 clubs have more points than us.
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How many of the top 6, even the league, have played as many home grown players as we have this season? That makes me more proud than anything else written on these pages, and something I dont think any of the other teams can boast. Brilliant work by the coaches and early talent spotters. Thats entertainment to me. Zogman, have you watched Wigan play? In terms of "football entertainment" I would suggest that they rank well above a lot of teams higher in the league.
I agree. Blooding all these Academy lads is making this season for me. If they form the nucleus of future Villa sides then all the frustration will be worthwhile.
I know the point you're making but I fear that if they are the nucleus of the team then we'll be in a division below the one we're in now. For me the team has a slight Paul Kerr, David Norton, Darren Bradley etc feeling to it at the moment and look what happened to that team.
I think this lot are better than their 80s counterparts but generally I don't feel any particular pride if a player comes through the ranks or not. I like to see good players playing proper football and getting results, I don't much care where they come from, apart form the fact it could save us / make us a few million if we unearth a few gems. On the other hand if we ended up producing something like the Ajax group of the early 90s or the recent Barcelona crop, that would be something to be proud of.
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When we appointed McLeish I said we will draw all 38 games and go down unbeaten. In points system where in 3 games 1 win, a draw and a loss is better than 3 draws we are suffering from not having a positive approach.
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AMac sets his teams up not to lose, rather than to try and win.
Personally I'd like to watch a team that tries to win rather than not lose.
I'd guess we're right near the bottom of the table for hitting the post, so it's not as if we can say we deserved more.
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Here's a stat. Only 14 clubs have more points than us.
I prefer the one that read 5 clubs have fewer points than us.
That's more comforting.
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I'd guess we're right near the bottom of the table for hitting the post, so it's not as if we can say we deserved more.
Even if we were top of that list by a mile I still don't think we could say we deserved more. Hitting a post is still missing.
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Does hitting the post/crossbar count as a shot on- or off-target?
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Does hitting the post/crossbar count as a shot on- or off-target?
It depends how desperate you are for shots on target!
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Does hitting the post/crossbar count as a shot on- or off-target?
Off target as goal area is defined from inside the post to inside the opposite post and from...you get the idea.
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If you want to talk statistics, Bolton have won more games than us AND scored more goals, and look where they are!.
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Just goes to show you that winning games is where it's at! Three points for a win, one for a draw negative, defensive football can only take you so far.
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Here's a good one: Wolves' clean sheet yesterday was their first since last August. Wonder who that was against?
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I know football existed before the Premier league, but our lowest ever Premier League total is 42.
Plus, the football is diabolical.