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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 02, 2012, 11:52:45 AM
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A lot of debate about this on different threads, so when, if at all, will it happen?
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I keep logging on here in vain hope that the deed will have been done, but am constantly disappointed but unsurprised. I'll keep hoping it will be done after Stoke, as I genuinely fear we will go down. Come on Randy your idle approach to this club needs to stop for your sake and ours.
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When hell freezes over.
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Not before it's too late.
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I went for the third option, but think he will go if we got down, which i don't expect to happen.
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I think if we take a trouncing from Sunderland then it may happen
If previous results are crap
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It should have came after the Man City game. A change then would have really given us all a huge lift. A change can be as good as a rest, especially when things are as stale as they have been.
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I think that he's here for the duration
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I'm torn between thinking he may be gone at the end of the season and him being here for a while.
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Maybe October time if we stay up,and start poorly next season.
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He acts in the manner of a man who know's he's as safe as Fort Knox.
I think the fuckwits would keep him if we got relegated for his 'excellent Championship record.'
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He's going nowhere I'm afraid.
What will it cost to sack him? I've seen and heard that it'll be somewhere around the 4-6 million mark.
And who do we replace him with? We've got no money to embark on a massive squad rebuilding exercise, though god knows it's what's needed.
I just can't see the likes of Brendan Rogers or some of the others mentioned on other threads being willing to work under the financial restrictions we are working under at the moment.
We could go out on a limb and get a young inexperienced manager who buys into what K.Mac and Sid are doing at Bodymoor Heath and goes with the kids but I think that if we did that it could take another season of bumping along in the lower reaches of the PL before we see that paying dividends.
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I do not believe this will happen. He is here long term.
Ideally, if and when we are mathenatically safe, I say thats when they should let him go.
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We wouldn't get Kenny Rodgers at the moment
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I reckon the only way he will be sacked is if we get relegated. Otherwise he will start next season as our manager.
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He won't be going anywhere, even if we do get relegated.
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I can hardly believe our board are this wrong, but they are.
If he stays up, he won't be sacked, however skin-of-our-teeth it is. The board will feel that it's job done, make excuses about Eck not 'putting his stamp on the team' before not really giving him much money to put his stamp on the team, which he does anyway because it doesn't matter if he has £1m or £100m to spend, his teams will always play in the same gutless, spineless, cowardly way. And we go down next season.
If we go down, they won't be able to afford to sack him and will make the excuse that 'he's got a good record of getting teams promoted', ie he's done it once before. Which, many will rightly ask, was outweighed at the time of his appointment by the number of relegations achieved, ie two.
In short, it's not looking pretty, and we will look back on this stage in our club's history in years to come and wonder, as we do now, what on earth makes the board back this man so much.
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On the assumption that we stay up, and yes that is quite an assumption, then I think he will be given the summer transfer window and the first three months of next season. If at that time we are not in the relegation zone then he will stay.
I don't like the style of football, but also feel that our lack of support for the team is a contributory factor.
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He won't be going anywhere, even if we do get relegated.
How incredibly small time we would look if this became the case
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He won't be going anywhere, even if we do get relegated.
Sadly I think Paulie is right, he isn’t going anywhere even if we go down.
What a sickening thought!
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He will be our boss at the start of next season. We will just about stay up.
He might get the bullet around Christmas if we are adrift at the bottom. Bumping round the lower reaches like now and he will be here all of next season.
Attendances will drop through the floor next season.
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I've had bets with now 3 people that he won't be here next season. I just can't picture him standing on our touchline in August.
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I've had bets with now 3 people that he won't be here next season. I just can't picture him standing on our touchline in August.
I can't believe it either, but it'll happen. Extraordinary isn't it, no other club in the league would put up with this squad being in this position playing this football
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I can't bring myself to think so negatively.
The club have been doing a lot of market research, they will know a lot of people either aren't renewing or are undecided, they will have been told that for the majority this is due to the manager and the 'entertainment' on offer.
Additionally the idea that the targets for the current season were to avoid relegation and cut the wage bill doesn't line up for me. Cutting the wage bill by allowing the big players who weren't in the squad (i.e. beye) will have been part of it but you don't pay compensation and £2m a year in wages to someone whose sole responsibility is to not finish in the bottom 3. If things don't improve (which they won't) and we finish bottom 6 I don't see any way the board can ignore that. Even with the sales our squad is too good to be down where they are.
The only defence I can see McLeish having is that it's the players fault (which he is already using and has been for months). Any reasonable business man will be slightly wary of a manager who has been in the job this long and the only defence for their performance is that their staff aren't good enough.
I've been super optimistic and voted for before the end of the season but I actually think it will be within the first week after the last game.
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if we go down he'll get the push. His brief was to keep us up with a no money and a nothing squad and if he does that then he won't get the bullet. Next season will be the same. If i was betting man if we're bottom by christmas Lerner will panic and do the deed, But as far as going this summer if we stay up?, no chance
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He acts in the manner of a man who know's he's as safe as Fort Knox.
I think the fuckwits would keep him if we got relegated for his 'excellent Championship record.'
I honestly think he's more likely to stay if we get relegated, not only because of the prohibitive cost, but also becuase of the ivested interest Villa would have in him by that point. However, stay up and he most probably will stay too.
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I think it also depends on ST sales. There must be a reason why they've put them on sale earlier than they've ever done before. If sales are still low going into June, then who knows.
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I think there are four reasons why it'll be hard for the club to dispense with his services anytime soon:
- Lerner first of all has to ‘man up’ to the problem, accept it and deal with it. Likely? – hmmm.
- Secondly, he has to accept that another large payout might be necessary, on top of of the money paid out to Gerard Houllier, Gary McAllister and (most painful of all) Martin O’Neil and his coterie.
- Thirdly, Lerner would have to find a recruitment process that operates rather more effectively than the appalling way in which the club went about its business las year; an embarrassment to all involved.
- He would then have to find some candidates: who are both available and credible; no easy matter.
I think this current reality is the likely future one.
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The QIA deal is in the balance to see if we stay up. If we do and the deal goes through, they will sack him.
If we go down, the QIA deal will be off and Randy will panic and have to sack him.
So I don't think we've got him either way next season.
**Huge pinch of salt**
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I think it also depends on ST sales. There must be a reason why they've put them on sale earlier than they've ever done before. If sales are still low going into June, then who knows.
But in order for a change to give ST sales a boost, the new manager would need to be someone to get the fans excited again. Can you see that being the case?
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Unfortunately our chairman believes in the Ferguson/United story - you have to have stability and long term faith in a manager (And ride fan frustration)*
One story that Randy isn't aware of, however, is the one about polishing a turd.
I see at least another two seasons of Mcleish.
*I do respect the strategy, its just the wrong choice of manager
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We wouldn't get Kenny Rodgers at the moment
What's Roy Rogers doing these days?
I think he died a while ago but that would be an improvement!
I don't think AM is going anywhere. Ironically, RL invested a lot of his "credibility" in apponting him and I dread the thought that he will stick by him.
Bollux!
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Were stuck with him no matter what happens. Crowds pushing at 30k next season and lows of below the 20 mark, next seasons going to be worse than this. Especially if he gets top buy his own players
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I think it also depends on ST sales. There must be a reason why they've put them on sale earlier than they've ever done before. If sales are still low going into June, then who knows.
But in order for a change to give ST sales a boost, the new manager would need to be someone to get the fans excited again. Can you see that being the case?
Good question and i don't know but i think just the relief of McLeish being gone would persuade a lot of fans to re-invest and get behind the new man. Let's face it, it could'nt be anymore controversial and unpopular as McLeish....could it?
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I've gone for option three.
If we go down, the club will say AM has had to operate in difficult times and he's the perfect manager to get us back up (citing promotion with Blues).
If we stay up, the club will say AM has had to operate in difficult times, it's been a tough season all round but 'we' always knew it was going to be a transitional period in the club's history and we're looking forward to brighter times.
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I think Saturday above everything else proves just how poor his team selection is. I fully understand that he had a load of injuries to contend with and had to play a lot of kids, but, even then the talent he had at his disposal was made to struggle for 70 minutes due to the fact that he played at least 2 of them out of position (Gardener / Bannon) Gabby i am positive did not know where he was meant to play other than up top and Herd should have come off sooner than he did as he was shocking.
Heskey - at no point has he / could he influence or change a game - he is fecking useless
Might as well have put another kid on with some enthusiasm and athletism in midfield and Gabby up on his own rather than the big lump - surely our other players heads and hearts must drop when they see that buffoon warming up
I am not sure i have seen such a tactically poor manager in all the years of watching Villa - and his piss poor sidekick (Grant) is even worse.
Behind the dug out fans are shouting "Sit down you twat you hav'nt got a clue"
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I just can't picture him standing on our touchline in August.
I couldn't picture him on the touchline last August
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I honestly think he could take us down to League 1 and he'd still keep his job. Not sure RL would even notice that.
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We wouldn't get Kenny Rodgers at the moment
What's Roy Rogers doing these days?
I think he died a while ago but that would be an improvement!
I don't think AM is going anywhere. Ironically, RL invested a lot of his "credibility" in apponting him and I dread the thought that he will stick by him.
Bollux!
Trigger would be an improvement and I dont mean the one from Only Fools and Horses......oh I dont know though.
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I think Saturday above everything else proves just how poor his team selection is. I fully understand that he had a load of injuries to contend with and had to play a lot of kids, but, even then the talent he had at his disposal was made to struggle for 70 minutes due to the fact that he played at least 2 of them out of position (Gardener / Bannon) Gabby i am positive did not know where he was meant to play other than up top and Herd should have come off sooner than he did as he was shocking.
Heskey - at no point has he / could he influence or change a game - he is fecking useless
Might as well have put another kid on with some enthusiasm and athletism in midfield and Gabby up on his own rather than the big lump - surely our other players heads and hearts must drop when they see that buffoon warming up
I am not sure i have seen such a tactically poor manager in all the years of watching Villa - and his piss poor sidekick (Grant) is even worse.
Behind the dug out fans are shouting "Sit down you twat you hav'nt got a clue"
I agree, he looked a bit lost at times.
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He won't be going anywhere, even if we do get relegated.
This. Whether we like it or not, he's here for the long haul.
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Is that the long haul to League One?
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On the assumption that we stay up, and yes that is quite an assumption, then I think he will be given the summer transfer window and the first three months of next season. If at that time we are not in the relegation zone then he will stay.
I don't like the style of football, but also feel that our lack of support for the team is a contributory factor.
i agree more wine for my troops we ride at dawn
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Is that the long haul to League One?
Could be.
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Behind the dug out fans are shouting "Sit down you twat you hav'nt got a clue"
I was wondering whether he'd be getting stick like that from the fans behind him.
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He won't be going anywhere, even if we do get relegated.
This. Whether we like it or not, he's here for the long haul.
i thought you and your hubby were big fans of mcleish , have you finally seen the light?
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I think Saturday above everything else proves just how poor his team selection is. I fully understand that he had a load of injuries to contend with and had to play a lot of kids, but, even then the talent he had at his disposal was made to struggle for 70 minutes due to the fact that he played at least 2 of them out of position (Gardener / Bannon) Gabby i am positive did not know where he was meant to play other than up top and Herd should have come off sooner than he did as he was shocking.
Heskey - at no point has he / could he influence or change a game - he is fecking useless
Might as well have put another kid on with some enthusiasm and athletism in midfield and Gabby up on his own rather than the big lump - surely our other players heads and hearts must drop when they see that buffoon warming up
I am not sure i have seen such a tactically poor manager in all the years of watching Villa - and his piss poor sidekick (Grant) is even worse.
Behind the dug out fans are shouting "Sit down you twat you hav'nt got a clue"
I agree, he looked a bit lost at times.
For someone who is given the captains arm band, I expect to see alot more enthusiasm and lead by example but he just doesn't do that imo. Wienmann seemed to do alot more running than GA did.
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Unfortunately our chairman believes in the Ferguson/United story - you have to have stability and long term faith in a manager (And ride fan frustration)*
This is something I have been thinking for quite some time, especially given McLeish's general confident demeanour in the face of a full blown crisis.
Clearly Lerner thinks that we fans know nothing and that our protestations will quickly be turned around once McLeish comes good. There's evidence from Utd and Newcastle that it is so... The problem for me is that he's picked the wrong bloody horse.
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The problem for me is that he's picked the wrong bloody horse.
In the parlance of horse racing, he should have been shot in the paddock.
He reminds me of 'Sad Ken' from Bottom.
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McCleish won't be going anywhere IMO. He was a rushed decision as Aston Villa seem to be a hinderance to Mr Lerner. Very little, if any, time is afforded to the club now.
The gamble for CL has not paid off so we are left in the mess created by the naive owner and his sidekick Faulkner.
On the positive, I have yet to claim my free pie but will do so next week if I can remember to take the voucher.
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McLeish wont be going even if the worst happens I think he will be here for the foorseeable future that's my opinion.
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McLeish was appointed on the basis that his teams are hard to beat. My guess is Lerner thought he'd get a solid if unspectacular manager to steady the ship while he tightened the finances, then in a couple of years he could appoint a better manager once all is well at the club. He was looking for Red Rum, we got Mr Ed. The biggest problem is if he gives him money in the summer, I can see Roger Johnson replacing Dunne. The gun is loaded but he will only pull the trigger if we are relegated.
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Not soon enough, would be my option
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He won't be going anywhere, even if we do get relegated.
This. Whether we like it or not, he's here for the long haul.
i thought you and your hubby were big fans of mcleish , have you finally seen the light?
I'll speak for just me. When McLeish was appointed I thought with the right backing he could have done a half decent job. I remained positive until Wigan away when I threw the towel in. I took the towel back after a few days and tried to remain positive and optimistic.
At the moment I feel somewhat numb about it. I'd like to think that everybody at Villa Park knows what they are doing.
I'd also like to think that we couldn't possibly be relegated but I can't see where the needed points are going to come from.
Whoever we had appointed I would have backed him until such a time came when it was obvious I was flogging a dead horse.
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He reminds me of 'Sad Ken' from Bottom.
So you're comparing AMc to a three-legged blind horse? Bit harsh on Sad Ken mate.
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It will come from the top of the Doug Ellis If we get relegated
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He reminds me of 'Sad Ken' from Bottom.
So you're comparing AMc to a three-legged blind horse? Bit harsh on Sad Ken mate.
Poor old Sad Ken
3.10 in
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I firmly believe that if we do go down then the board would have little or no alternative than to sack him. Season tickets are going to be dramatically down regardless. If we go down and they sack AM then an inspired managerial appointment along the lines of Graham Taylor all them years ago may at leat shift a few thousand extra Season ticket.
Unfortunately I don't have the faith in RL and PF to come good given their track record
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If the clubs chairman was pro active in the day to day running of the club he would have gone already, fact is from what it looks like is that RL has got other things on his mind and on that basis I think Lerner will wait and see if we survive or go down, if we get relegated there's no saving him, he'll be gone, if we survive even by 1 place we've got him for the foreseeable future.
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At the end of the season when the season ticket renewals do not materialise.
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That's pretty much as I see it, and I won't be there to see it.
If you get my drift.
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I've lost my season ticket so I phoned about a replacement today
'That'll cost you £10'
'What? For the sake of 4 remaining matches'
'Well you'll need it for renewal next season'
'You're kidding, i'm not renewing.'
'Well that's your choice'
Top drawer stuff!
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McLeish was appointed on the basis that his teams are hard to beat. My guess is Lerner thought he'd get a solid if unspectacular manager to steady the ship while he tightened the finances, then in a couple of years he could appoint a better manager once all is well at the club.
Pretty much how I viewed the appointment at the time.
A ship-steadier who would work within the restrictions passed down.
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I've gone for option 3 but only because there isn't a 4th option - he would go if we get relegated. He might even walk! Surely Lerner/Faulkner would have a get out of jail clause in his contract that meant staying in post was dependent on staying in the PL?
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I've gone for option 3 but only because there isn't a 4th option - he would go if we get relegated. He might even walk! Surely Lerner/Faulkner would have a get out of jail clause in his contract that meant staying in post was dependent on staying in the PL?
Can't see him walking and losing the chance of a juicy pay off.
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Some time next season. By which time, it will be too little, too late.
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I've lost my season ticket so I phoned about a replacement today
'That'll cost you £10'
'What? For the sake of 4 remaining matches'
'Well you'll need it for renewal next season'
'You're kidding, i'm not renewing.'
'Well that's your choice'
Top drawer stuff!
Can't they just disable the ST and send you paper ones for the remaining games ?
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I think that Eck may get the push at the end of the season regardless of whether Villa are relegated.
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I've lost my season ticket so I phoned about a replacement today
'That'll cost you £10'
'What? For the sake of 4 remaining matches'
'Well you'll need it for renewal next season'
'You're kidding, i'm not renewing.'
'Well that's your choice'
Top drawer stuff!
Can't they just disable the ST and send you paper ones for the remaining games ?
Apparently not, you have to fill out a lost/stolen form AND cough up £10.
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I've gone for option 3 but only because there isn't a 4th option - he would go if we get relegated. He might even walk! Surely Lerner/Faulkner would have a get out of jail clause in his contract that meant staying in post was dependent on staying in the PL?
Theres more chance of them putting a relegation pay rise in the contract than a relegation release clause.
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I've lost my season ticket so I phoned about a replacement today
'That'll cost you £10'
'What? For the sake of 4 remaining matches'
'Well you'll need it for renewal next season'
'You're kidding, i'm not renewing.'
'Well that's your choice'
Top drawer stuff!
Can't they just disable the ST and send you paper ones for the remaining games ?
Apparently not, you have to fill out a lost/stolen form AND cough up £10.
You'll need a lost property number from the police for that. It happened to me a few years ago and they sent me paper tickets until I could get it sorted - maybe you could just blag it for a few weeks?
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I've gone for option 3 but only because there isn't a 4th option - he would go if we get relegated. He might even walk! Surely Lerner/Faulkner would have a get out of jail clause in his contract that meant staying in post was dependent on staying in the PL?
Theres more chance of them putting a relegation pay rise in the contract than a relegation release clause.
Yes,see contract with Spurs re Jenas
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You'll need a lost property number from the police for that. It happened to me a few years ago and they sent me paper tickets until I could get it sorted - maybe you could just blag it for a few weeks?
That's what i'll do John.
I'll have to go the ticket office prior to each of the remaining 4 games.
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He won't be going anywhere, even if we do get relegated.
Sadly I think Paulie is right, he isn’t going anywhere even if we go down.
What a sickening thought!
well as much as you guys have convinced yourselves that he's staying no matter what, i am convinced that there is no way Randy can keep him in the job with things going as they are.
it just doesnt make sense for him to start next season, from every possible angle whether it be fianancial, style of play, entertainment, general moral of the club etc.
i know Randy made the mistake in the first place, but i cant believe he would be so stupid as to keep plodding on with him.
i cant make my mind up whether to vote for A or B but surely as eggs are eggs it wont be C surely.
if he was sacked today i would not be in the least supprised, yet some of you guys would be gobsmacked, i will be the same if he starts next season, there is just no point, the outcome is inevitable already, just do the deed Randy and lets try and get back on track
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I've lost my season ticket so I phoned about a replacement today
'That'll cost you £10'
'What? For the sake of 4 remaining matches'
'Well you'll need it for renewal next season'
'You're kidding, i'm not renewing.'
'Well that's your choice'
Top drawer stuff!
Can't they just disable the ST and send you paper ones for the remaining games ?
Apparently not, you have to fill out a lost/stolen form AND cough up £10.
You'll need a lost property number from the police for that. It happened to me a few years ago and they sent me paper tickets until I could get it sorted - maybe you could just blag it for a few weeks?
You're better off ringing up a week before each home game and say that you cant make it and could you have a paper ticket. ITS FREE! No point in forking out £10 for a new season ticket unless you are going to renew?
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He won't.
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McLeish was appointed on the basis that his teams are hard to beat. My guess is Lerner thought he'd get a solid if unspectacular manager to steady the ship while he tightened the finances, then in a couple of years he could appoint a better manager once all is well at the club.
Pretty much how I viewed the appointment at the time.
A ship-steadier who would work within the restrictions passed down.
Well, your perception may be right but if you look at his record at the Sty it steradied the ship; on a downwards trajectory. Take a look at the goals-against average which really was not very good.
I do think your phrase "would work within the restrictions passed down" does about nail the reason for the appointment.
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Behind the dug out fans are shouting "Sit down you twat you hav'nt got a clue"
I was wondering whether he'd be getting stick like that from the fans behind him.
He now has his own sevurity person and stewards that sit between fans and the dug out - someone actually threw a season ticket on the pitch at the end of the game.
I actually dont like the personal abuse and swearing thrown his way - i think it should be whole sections of the crowd singing "Mc out etc" if it is isolated people calling him names etc - they will just get thrown out and probably banned
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Just wondering if the board do nothing and stick with Mcleish, what as fans could we do? I'm not sure protests actually achieve anything (especially when th.e owner is not here to see it). The only thing in my view that would get their attention would be a mass boycott of season tickets/match tickets and merchandise. But the problem then is it hurts the club. So it's a catch 22 situation. Guess it really depends on how much we want rid of Mcleish. Pass me the prozac!
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Behind the dug out fans are shouting "Sit down you twat you hav'nt got a clue"
I was wondering whether he'd be getting stick like that from the fans behind him.
He now has his own sevurity person and stewards that sit between fans and the dug out - someone actually threw a season ticket on the pitch at the end of the game.
I actually dont like the personal abuse and swearing thrown his way - i think it should be whole sections of the crowd singing "Mc out etc" if it is isolated people calling him names etc - they will just get thrown out and probably banned
So that's what really happened to Rip Van Bentfletch's ST!!
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He'll be here as long as he wants to be. He is deluded enough to think that he has the skills and aptitude to be a good manager so he'll stay oblivious to the carnage that he is presiding over. No way will RL sack him!
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If Randy doesn't fancy sacking him I know someone who will do it for him no problem...
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I just want rid of him. If we changed managers now we might get a couple of 'new manager syndrome' moments that would be enough to keep us up. It would have to be someone from within though because we don't have time for a new man to get to know the players. Arise K Mac and Sid
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I can not see him departing whatever happens. I am afraid we are stuck with him for at least another season.
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I think the lift KMac and Sid would give the place would be enough to get us home, however I doubt that they would want to be messed about again after the MON/Houllier debacle.
On that note, in the end did KMac actually want the job or did he see pound signs?
I just get the impression that he prefers his role slightly out of the limelight. Anyone got any inside info on this?
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I've lost my season ticket so I phoned about a replacement today
'That'll cost you £10'
'What? For the sake of 4 remaining matches'
'Well you'll need it for renewal next season'
'You're kidding, i'm not renewing.'
'Well that's your choice'
Top drawer stuff!
I bet Mrs F, sick of your moods after yet another loss, has flushed it down the bog.
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i cant believe over 77 % say he's as safe as houses, what are you guys watching and seeing, has Randy come out and backed him, no as he given him the dreaded vote of convidence, no
he's done nothing
all the signs to me are not that he's getting instinting backing from the club, but they are just going through the motions, as though they know something we dont
he's either preparing to sell the club on, or he will do the right thing re AM and part ways before it gets any more serious.
some of us are reding the situation correctly, some of us will have egg on our face, i wonder which way it will all fall, its like a giant game of Cluedo.
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i cant believe over 77 % say he's as safe as houses, what are you guys watching and seeing, has Randy come out and backed him, no as he given him the dreaded vote of convidence, no
he's done nothing
all the signs to me are not that he's getting instinting backing from the club, but they are just going through the motions, as though they know something we dont
he's either preparing to sell the club on, or he will do the right thing re AM and part ways before it gets any more serious.
some of us are reding the situation correctly, some of us will have egg on our face, i wonder which way it will all fall, its like a giant game of Cluedo.
I sincerely hope I'm the one with omelette splattered all over my ugly mug come the summer. It's just not the way I'm reading the situation I'm afraid.
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I've lost my season ticket so I phoned about a replacement today
'That'll cost you £10'
'What? For the sake of 4 remaining matches'
'Well you'll need it for renewal next season'
'You're kidding, i'm not renewing.'
'Well that's your choice'
Top drawer stuff!
Can't they just disable the ST and send you paper ones for the remaining games ?
Apparently not, you have to fill out a lost/stolen form AND cough up £10.
You'll need a lost property number from the police for that. It happened to me a few years ago and they sent me paper tickets until I could get it sorted - maybe you could just blag it for a few weeks?
You're better off ringing up a week before each home game and say that you cant make it and could you have a paper ticket. ITS FREE! No point in forking out £10 for a new season ticket unless you are going to renew?
Was just about to post the same. You can request a paper ticket for each game.
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i cant believe over 77 % say he's as safe as houses, what are you guys watching and seeing, has Randy come out and backed him, no as he given him the dreaded vote of convidence, no
he's done nothing
all the signs to me are not that he's getting instinting backing from the club, but they are just going through the motions, as though they know something we dont
he's either preparing to sell the club on, or he will do the right thing re AM and part ways before it gets any more serious.
some of us are reding the situation correctly, some of us will have egg on our face, i wonder which way it will all fall, its like a giant game of Cluedo.
I sincerely hope I'm the one with omelette splattered all over my ugly mug come the summer. It's just not the way I'm reading the situation I'm afraid.
well if he's still in charge next season feel free to shoot me down in flames, but if he's not i will be riding my high horse.
i just canot see how anyone in there right mind would put up with this shambles, and i even think its the best thing for Mcliesh to go for his own good.
pay him up and start again, thats the only way forward
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One thing is for certain he will never resign; as he knows, as do we and the whole of the footballing populus that he will never be employed in the Premier League again. His only chance of that is if he gets promoted and I sincerley hope that if that is the scenario it's not as manager of Aston Villa.
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bring back deadly he would sack him
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Sadly, I dont think they will get shot until next X-Mas when we are in the bottom 3 (not sure of which league though?)
I bet Old Deadly is prowling the corridors of VP just itching to get shot of that useless fuckwit
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I'm with John e on this.
I think the reason so many people think he's safe is this seemingly irrefutable 'fact' that his job for the season was to not get relegated.
I just don't see someone who in 5 previous seasons has only had 1 bottom half finish suddenly deciding that survival was all that we're playing for.
I agree keeping the wage bill down whilst we ran down contracts for a few of the overpaid wasters would've been part of it (and part that wouldn't appeal to many) but I just don't buy that the board went into the season thinking 15-17th would be acceptable.
You only have to look at comments from CK and PF about qualifying for europe to see that a relegation battle wasn't part of the equation.
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bring back deadly he would sack him
I don't think even Deadly Doug would have been so daft as to appoint him in the first place.
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I'm still clinging to the hope that Lerner will sack him at the end of the season. Yes it will cost millions but it is his mistake, he ignored the fans thinking he knew better and we've paid the price with an awful season. If he is the 'man of honour' he is made out to be he will pay the compensation out of his own pocket and appoint a 'football man' to advise him on our next managerial appointment.
I think this is one of the most important seasons in the club's history. We are at a major crossroads, the path of McLeish lies to the championship and oblivion, but the appointment of a good coach could easily shoot us back into the top 6 next year. I really hope Randy doesn't let us down.
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Mcleish aint going anywhere this season,and i doubt he'll go next until at least christmas and thats if we are really struggling....in the championship
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Mcleish aint going anywhere this season,and i doubt he'll go next until at least christmas and thats if we are really struggling....in the championship
Agreed. Lerner has dumped a massive turd in the bowl but his plumbing aint good enough to flush it away. And now he doesn't have the cash to call in Dino rod.
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Mcleish aint going anywhere this season,and i doubt he'll go next until at least christmas and thats if we are really struggling....in the championship
Agreed. Lerner has dumped a massive turd in the bowl but his plumbing aint good enough to flush it away. And now he doesn't have the cash to call in Dino rod.
he's also a bussiness man and knows it will cost him a lot more in the long run not to call in dino rod
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He might buy some second hand rods off ebay but that's your lot.
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If we get relegated or near relegated, Lerner has recognise McLeish has to go, otherwise his investment value will diminish rapidly as will any asking price for the club should he decide to sell.
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bring back deadly he would sack him
I don't think even Deadly Doug would have been so daft as to appoint him in the first place.
Bring back Sir Deadly...
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Behind the dug out fans are shouting "Sit down you twat you hav'nt got a clue"
I was wondering whether he'd be getting stick like that from the fans behind him.
He now has his own sevurity person and stewards that sit between fans and the dug out - someone actually threw a season ticket on the pitch at the end of the game.
I actually dont like the personal abuse and swearing thrown his way - i think it should be whole sections of the crowd singing "Mc out etc" if it is isolated people calling him names etc - they will just get thrown out and probably banned
So that's what really happened to Rip Van Bentfletch's ST!!
Believe me John, If I was to throw mine in his direction, it would be with the accuracy and venom of Oddjob from Goldfinger.
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bring back deadly he would sack him
if Doug was still here , he would have already been sacked but I know Doug would never have employed him in the first place.
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around January 2013.
Villa will be bottom . Lerner will have to get rid .
I cant see Lerner letting him manage us in the championship .
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He should have gone after Wigan.
I had a few work people come up to me today giving me the old 'Ooh Mate, you're in the shit aye yer' type comments and i did my normal 'Nah we just need two more wins and we'll be fine' but for the first time, i was'nt convinced. I did'nt really believe it myself and it's a horrible feeling to have.
Anyone who's totally adamant that we'll be fine, well i admire your optimisim and if i'm being honest, deep down i think we will be but we're playing a very dangerous game putting our faith in a manager who could'nt even get his team to muster more than two shots on goal at Wigan and that was with a near full strength side (with added Keano). He could'nt get us the points when the pressure was off, so why is he suddenly going to do it now with half a side missing?
He needs to go.
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I reply to people with 'what you expect with that c*** as manager '
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I voted that he is as safe as houses, Lerner is thinking of his bottom line.
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I've given up sticking up for Villa. I have a twenty quid bet on that we won't go down. An Arsenal fan offered, at the time I thought it was a no brainer. Now it looks like I'll be visiting the ATM at the end of the season. I hate having the piss taken out of my club. I live in a predominant Arsenal, Spurts and Man Yoo area. Villa are thought of as shite because we have no plans and no real identity. Anyone who talks to me ask me why we appointed McLeish. The bullet cannot come soon enough.
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He should have gone after Wigan.
I had a few work people come up to me today giving me the old 'Ooh Mate, you're in the shit aye yer' type comments and i did my normal 'Nah we just need two more wins and we'll be fine' but for the first time, i was'nt convinced. I did'nt really believe it myself and it's a horrible feeling to have.
Anyone who's totally adamant that we'll be fine, well i admire your optimisim and if i'm being honest, deep down i think we will be but we're playing a very dangerous game putting our faith in a manager who could'nt even get his team to muster more than two shots on goal at Wigan and that was with a near full strength side (with added Keano). He could'nt get us the points when the pressure was off, so why is he suddenly going to do it now with half a side missing?
He needs to go.
I thought he should have gone after the Wigan game too. Now i can't see it happening until the end of the season at the earliest. Randy has rolled the dice by not acting when he could have.
It still shocks me that he was appointed and shocks me again that he's still in the job.
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I've given up sticking up for Villa. I have a twenty quid bet on that we won't go down. An Arsenal fan offered, at the time I thought it was a no brainer. Now it looks like I'll be visiting the ATM at the end of the season. I hate having the piss taken out of my club. I live in a predominant Arsenal, Spurts and Man Yoo area. Villa are thought of as shite because we have no plans and no real identity. Anyone who talks to me ask me why we appointed McLeish. The bullet cannot come soon enough.
if i could get even money on villa staying up i'd put 10k on it
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i cant believe over 77 % say he's as safe as houses, what are you guys watching and seeing, has Randy come out and backed him, no as he given him the dreaded vote of convidence, no
he's done nothing
all the signs to me are not that he's getting instinting backing from the club, but they are just going through the motions, as though they know something we dont
he's either preparing to sell the club on, or he will do the right thing re AM and part ways before it gets any more serious.
some of us are reding the situation correctly, some of us will have egg on our face, i wonder which way it will all fall, its like a giant game of Cluedo.
Usually the vote of confidence immediately precedes the sack. The fact that he has yet to have it probably indicates the degree of his job security. I dearly hope you are right John. Most of us doubted that Houllier would be gone at this point last year but I just don't see it. The only hope I can see of him not being our manager next season is relegation (and I wouldn't exactly describe that as a hope).
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tomorrow!
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I only think Randy will consider replacing the manager if we are relegated. Losing our place in the Premier League would be catastrophic for the club finances and the only way Randy could stop the drain of paying fans would be to galvanise the club with a bold new managerial appointment. Otherwise McLeish will be here next season.
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He might buy some second hand rods off ebay but that's your lot.
Nah, he'll witlessly spend the next few months just trying to piss it apart.
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I'm with John e on this.
I think the reason so many people think he's safe is this seemingly irrefutable 'fact' that his job for the season was to not get relegated.
I just don't see someone who in 5 previous seasons has only had 1 bottom half finish suddenly deciding that survival was all that we're playing for.
I agree keeping the wage bill down whilst we ran down contracts for a few of the overpaid wasters would've been part of it (and part that wouldn't appeal to many) but I just don't buy that the board went into the season thinking 15-17th would be acceptable.
You only have to look at comments from CK and PF about qualifying for europe to see that a relegation battle wasn't part of the equation.
This.
I can't believe Randy is not worried about our results and league position this season as long as we stay up.
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"When will the bullet come?"
Tomorrow would not be soon enough
Like a previous poster I agree he should have gone after Wigan or Blackburn - had we have gone for wins in both of those games we would be safe now - instead he set us up not to lose and settled for a point each time - just not good enough.
As my article in H&V states I will not be renewing next season for numerous reasons - this appointment being the straw breaking this particular camels` back.
He will not resign, Lerner will not sack him....... proud history , dim (or grim) future
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someone actually threw a season ticket on the pitch at the end of the game.
And asked for it back at the final whistle! We saw him trying to get it off one of the stewards. The steward was reluctant to hand it over to him.
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Lerner and faulkner were just saying what they thought the fans wanted to hear. They're hardly going to admit they expect to do worse are they? But if you sell 5 players, buy 3, keep 15m of the proceeds and knock about 150k a week off the wage bill its hardly likely you'd expect to be doing better than last season is it?
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The one constant through all our pain since O'Neill left is that the board can be relied upon to do the wrong thing at the wrong time.
He will stay regardless of whether we stay up or go down but a combination of bad season ticket sales and at best a stuttering start to the new season will force the owner's hand and he will be gone by Christmas of this year.
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He will stay regardless of whether we stay up or go down but a combination of bad season ticket sales and at best a stuttering start to the new season will force the owner's hand and he will be gone by Christmas of this year.
I would agree with that.
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I'd love some insight into the thinking of the Board. Firstly, why in God's name did they think that Mcleish would be a good appoitnment in the first place? Surely one letter from SAF can't outweigh a disasterous track record and shocking reputation for shite football. Secondly I'd like to know if they think he's doing a good job. By what measure can he conceivably be consdiered to have been a success (perhaps he may have curbed the wage bill)?
For much of his tenure I regarded Mcleish as a hapless buffoon who found himself in his dream job without a clue what to do. My opinion of him now is turning to dislike - I can't stand listening to his excuses and empty promises. The end can't come quick enough as far as I'm concerned and in my view we need to take urgent action but who knows what the hell Messrs Lerner & Faulkner are thinking.
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What do people consider bad season ticket sales?
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What do people consider bad season ticket sales?
If your seat is in the car park
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Asap I hope, he is well out of his depth plays shit football and the back 4 obviously do not listen to him,they cannot defend set pieces and we cannot score from them.
Do the right thing Alex GO!!!!
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Never in my wildest nightmares did I expect the board to appoint him in the first place but they did against all sensible reason and logic. Will they ever admit to making such an idiotic appointment and sack him, can't see it myself but then who knows what Randy thinks anymore!
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They won't sack him. Faulkner is clueless and Lerner listens to him.
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When McLeish is no longer Villa manager, we'll all emerge blinking into the light, asking each other 'Is it over? Is it really true?'
And then Alan Curbishley will be his replacement.
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I've lost my season ticket so I phoned about a replacement today
'That'll cost you £10'
'What? For the sake of 4 remaining matches'
'Well you'll need it for renewal next season'
'You're kidding, i'm not renewing.'
'Well that's your choice'
Top drawer stuff!
Can't they just disable the ST and send you paper ones for the remaining games ?
Apparently not, you have to fill out a lost/stolen form AND cough up £10.
You'll need a lost property number from the police for that. It happened to me a few years ago and they sent me paper tickets until I could get it sorted - maybe you could just blag it for a few weeks?
I lost my season ticket after a game this season. The ticket office gave me a form to complete, which asked where the ticket had been lost and also requested a property number from the police. As I had absolutely no idea where the ticket had been lost, and basically couldn't be bothered to request a property number didn't bother at first. After about 3 paper tickets and by this stage bored with queuing for the tickets, asked again at the ticket office about the police property number. The operative I spoke to said just pay the £10 and we'll send you a replacement season ticket. Which they did.
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When McLeish is no longer Villa manager, we'll all emerge blinking into the light, asking each other 'Is it over? Is it really true?'
And then Alan Curbishley will be his replacement.
i would take alan birminum curbishley in a heart beat right now
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I really dont think he's going anywhere fast, which sends shivers through me. Ive only gotta see his face and im overcome with rage. He's a poor poor manager who's dragging us down to his level. if we'd had some football people on the board this clown would never have been here in the first place
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When McLeish is no longer Villa manager, we'll all emerge blinking into the light, asking each other 'Is it over? Is it really true?'
And then Alan Curbishley will be his replacement.
And most will take to him in their desperation to get on the first lifeboat off the Titanic. Not realising that the boat has a hole on it.
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this has probably been discussed but for the purposes of continuity couldnt we have saved some £ and put Houller upstairs and got in a young coach to work with him like Zola just a thought
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The day Houllier left, I was convinced 'right, here we go. They are back to their best now. Wait until we see the ambition Lerner will show with the next appointment. We will get rid of lots of deadwood and bring in hungry young players.'
I even posted on my facebook: 'Randy, go get Ancelotti'.
I felt so stupid the day McLeish signed. It was just an unambitious and idiotic appointment. The worst thing is, anybody could see that it would be a disaster.
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oh to be a fly on the wall in the meetings leading up to the appointment of big eck , how they got to this verdict???!!!
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this has probably been discussed but for the purposes of continuity couldnt we have saved some £ and put Houller upstairs and got in a young coach to work with him like Zola just a thought
Was saying that exact same thing to someone at work today. GH could have been made director of football and a younger coach could have taken over the day to day running of the team with GH's experience to call on when needed. GH could have also handled transfers dealings (apparently we where leading the race to Cabaye when GH was here).
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and it probley would not have worked but I wished we would have give it ago, anything would have been better than what we have been served up this season.
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the change indirection was so left field ,i dont understand i really dont :-\
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the change indirection was so left field ,i dont understand i really dont :-\
Your username suggests otherwise!
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Just get this season out of the way first, it's been bloody awful - sack the fuckwit as soon as the final whistle sounds vs Norwich.
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I remember thinking what a poor choice Martinez was and was glad when he turned us down, although in fairness i had no idea who they had lined up next.
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Sack him now and put Kev Mac and Sid in charge.
They know the players better than McLeish as most of them are academy graduates now.
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the change indirection was so left field ,i dont understand i really dont :-\
Your username suggests otherwise!
burying my head in the earth with my big pink nose most of the time this season i am afraid
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I think the worst thing about this season has been the sinking realisation that we are exactly the kind of side the rest of the league is glad to see get relegated.
That's exactly what he turned Bliues into, as well.
That might be ok for a piss pot club like Small Heath, but it's nowhere near acceptable for Aston Villa.
If I didn't support us, I would want us to go down.
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Sack him now and put Kev Mac and Sid in charge.
They know the players better than McLeish as most of them are academy graduates now.
This.
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The day Houllier left, I was convinced 'right, here we go. They are back to their best now. Wait until we see the ambition Lerner will show with the next appointment. We will get rid of lots of deadwood and bring in hungry young players.'
I even posted on my facebook: 'Randy, go get Ancelotti'.
I felt so stupid the day McLeish signed. It was just an unambitious and idiotic appointment. The worst thing is, anybody could see that it would be a disaster.
Looking back now, with the benefit of hindsight, the fact we even thought they might be thinking of someone like Ancelotti is incredible.
I still can't even begin to work out what made them think, "hey, that guy over the other side of the city, the one who just got his side relegated again, playing football so poor it makes you weep, maybe we could persuade him to come"?
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I think the worst thing about this season has been the sinking realisation that we are exactly the kind of side the rest of the league is glad to see get relegated.
That's exactly what he turned Bliues into, as well.
That might be ok for a piss pot club like Small Heath, but it's nowhere near acceptable for Aston Villa.
If I didn't support us, I would want us to go down.
also nobody in the media is really that interested in us in we just make up the numbers and I imagine other fans sigh when they see us as one of the tv games so dull that we are
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The day Houllier left, I was convinced 'right, here we go. They are back to their best now. Wait until we see the ambition Lerner will show with the next appointment. We will get rid of lots of deadwood and bring in hungry young players.'
I even posted on my facebook: 'Randy, go get Ancelotti'.
I felt so stupid the day McLeish signed. It was just an unambitious and idiotic appointment. The worst thing is, anybody could see that it would be a disaster.
Looking back now, with the benefit of hindsight, the fact we even thought they might be thinking of someone like Ancelotti is incredible.
I still can't even begin to work out what made them think, "hey, that guy over the other side of the city, the one who just got his side relegated again, playing football so poor it makes you weep, maybe we could persuade him to come"?
"And whatever Birmingham are asking in compensation will be money well spent. This guy is the new David Moyes!"
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The day Houllier left, I was convinced 'right, here we go. They are back to their best now. Wait until we see the ambition Lerner will show with the next appointment. We will get rid of lots of deadwood and bring in hungry young players.'
I even posted on my facebook: 'Randy, go get Ancelotti'.
I felt so stupid the day McLeish signed. It was just an unambitious and idiotic appointment. The worst thing is, anybody could see that it would be a disaster.
Looking back now, with the benefit of hindsight, the fact we even thought they might be thinking of someone like Ancelotti is incredible.
I still can't even begin to work out what made them think, "hey, that guy over the other side of the city, the one who just got his side relegated again, playing football so poor it makes you weep, maybe we could persuade him to come"?
Does anyone believe Randy considered 'some two dozen managers'?
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I think the worst thing about this season has been the sinking realisation that we are exactly the kind of side the rest of the league is glad to see get relegated.
That's exactly what he turned Bliues into, as well.
That might be ok for a piss pot club like Small Heath, but it's nowhere near acceptable for Aston Villa.
If I didn't support us, I would want us to go down.
also nobody in the media is really that interested in us in we just make up the numbers and I imagine other fans sigh when they see us as one of the tv games so dull that we are
We only just make up the numbers when we allow ourselves to be fodder like that, and appointing this joker guarantees that's what we'll be seen as.
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I can remember us debating who would be best for us, Ancelotti or Benitez and being mortified at the thought of Mark Hughes.
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The only thing that could give the club a lift would be to sack him now. I think it would galvanise the support and get everybody behind the club. Enough is enough.
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I can remember us debating who would be best for us, Ancelotti or Benitez and being mortified at the thought of Mark Hughes.
I wasn't mortified at Hughes. He got Fulham to 7th.
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I can remember us debating who would be best for us, Ancelotti or Benitez and being mortified at the thought of Mark Hughes.
I wasn't mortified at Hughes. He got Fulham to 7th.
Not mortified as such but he seemed a boring, safe option at the timeBelieve me I wish he was our manager now
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I can remember us debating who would be best for us, Ancelotti or Benitez and being mortified at the thought of Mark Hughes.
I wasn't mortified at Hughes. He got Fulham to 7th.
Hughes was my number one choice. Safe bet, you would have thought the deal would have concluded quickly. Now im open to an untried Laursen and fantasising about a Laursen & Mellberg dream team (desperate).
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Can we have another poll to gauge opinion ?
Earlier polls have shown that some people still had faith or some belief in Mcleish. It would be interesting to see just how much support he has now because it seems to me that he has virtually nobody sticking up for him now.
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I'm getting confused. This bullet that's coming, is it the one in the post from Percy to Villa Bobby?
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sack him now K mac and sid they would doubt play the kids in positions they are comfortable in i.e Gardner central with Herd who then would not look shit as somebody suggested he was shit against chelsea as Ireland let players run past him leaving to be overun maybe Albrighton may get a game on the right and Bannan on the left they could switch on occasions. when that amount of kids are included surely it's best to put where they are comfortable my idea of a protest is this support the players regardless but everybopdy stay until the final whistle and sing "f**k off Mcleish the villa is ours" until he disappears down the tunnel .
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You have to hand it to Mcleish though - who else could unite Villa and Blose fans over anything? Fans of both persuations hate what he's done to football in this city.
I just really, really want him to go away.
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Listened to the team talk podcast today and they hate McLeish as much as us.
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Well Randy, Paul Faulkener and McLeish were all in London today visiting Petrov. Surely an opportunity to discuss the season so far, would ariseat some stage during the day, after all Randy doesn't get to many games, so maybe the bullet is being loaded?
(I don't think it is, but here's to wishful thinking)
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Let's hope so cdward
MacLeish must go!!!!
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Look nobody likes McLeish. My Arsenal supporting boss said last week 'That footballing genius that's ruining your club was on tv after the match saying you had been unlucky, I don't know what game he was watching because I've never seen such a poor villa side come to the Emirates.'
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I think the worst thing about this season has been the sinking realisation that we are exactly the kind of side the rest of the league is glad to see get relegated.
That's exactly what he turned Bliues into, as well.
That might be ok for a piss pot club like Small Heath, but it's nowhere near acceptable for Aston Villa.
If I didn't support us, I would want us to go down.
also nobody in the media is really that interested in us in we just make up the numbers and I imagine other fans sigh when they see us as one of the tv games so dull that we are
Collymore made a point tonight that he hopes we dont 'sleepwalk' into relegation this season like the noses did last season. Its true, if it were to happen. Most would say..so fucking what.
He will be here next season for sure. Why? christ knows.
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Two empty Villa Parks would suffice.
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I think the worst thing about this season has been the sinking realisation that we are exactly the kind of side the rest of the league is glad to see get relegated.
That's exactly what he turned Bliues into, as well.
That might be ok for a piss pot club like Small Heath, but it's nowhere near acceptable for Aston Villa.
If I didn't support us, I would want us to go down.
also nobody in the media is really that interested in us in we just make up the numbers and I imagine other fans sigh when they see us as one of the tv games so dull that we are
Collymore made a point tonight that he hopes we dont 'sleepwalk' into relegation this season like the noses did last season. Its true, if it were to happen. Most would say..so fucking what.
He will be here next season for sure. Why? christ knows.
I quite like Stan - which is weird, considering how inept he was in C&B.
But he can get facked too on this issue. He, like Merson and a few others, were championing McLeish earlier this season.
As to when our very own redheaded Jonah will be moved on, logic (Villa logic) dictates that it will probably be next Oct, Nov. After he's pissed away what bit of money we have on more duffers. But I've had a feeling for a while that he won't be in the dug out for the Sunderland game. Reversals (even heavy ones) against Liverpool and Man U won't do it. But poor results against Stoke and Bolton just might.
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Mcliesh will point to the fact that he has lost Petrov, Bent, Dunne, Nzogbia, Hutton, Clarke, and lets be honest most of these players would either play or be contributing if available. We know that he should have achieved far more when he had these players available. Now we go into the run in with a very young and inexpierenced squad desperate for points.
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Getting turned over by Bolton will make little difference to whether he is in charge against Sunderland...
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Aye, just rechecked the fixtures.
Maybe seeing the back of him by the Sunderland game is a little optimistic alright, as I don't think a drubbing at Old Trafford would have much of a bearing. Keeping the score to within 2/3 of them might even be acclaimed as a success by the miserable wretch.
What odds a bizarre and cackhanded change of jockey going into the Tottingham/ Norwich games then?
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I remember thinking what a poor choice Martinez was and was glad when he turned us down, although in fairness i had no idea who they had lined up next.
Martinez would have been a flop- it just shows faulkner and lerner are clueless when searching for a manager- although who would want the job with those clowns running the club down .
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The only thing that could give the club a lift would be to sack him now. I think it would galvanise the support and get everybody behind the club. Enough is enough.
In desperation, I sadly think you're right.
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Mcliesh will point to the fact that he has lost Petrov, Bent, Dunne, Nzogbia, Hutton, Clarke, and lets be honest most of these players would either play or be contributing if available. We know that he should have achieved far more when he had these players available. Now we go into the run in with a very young and inexpierenced squad desperate for points.
You're right that this would be the excuse. The fact is, with these playeres we've still got ourselves where we are.
They're operating in a crap system with the wrong management team 'guiding' them.
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I remember thinking what a poor choice Martinez was and was glad when he turned us down, although in fairness i had no idea who they had lined up next.
Martinez would have been a flop- it just shows faulkner and lerner are clueless when searching for a manager- although who would want the job with those clowns running the club down .
My original point (which i did'nt make very well) was that Martinez might have been an inspired choice. Bearing in mind his Wigan side are only 5 points behind us shows what a crap job McLeish has done.
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"And whatever Birmingham are asking in compensation will be money well spent. This guy is the new David Moyes!"
Who came out with that gem?
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Mcliesh will point to the fact that he has lost Petrov, Bent, Dunne, Nzogbia, Hutton, Clarke, and lets be honest most of these players would either play or be contributing if available. We know that he should have achieved far more when he had these players available. Now we go into the run in with a very young and inexpierenced squad desperate for points.
You're right that this would be the excuse. The fact is, with these playeres we've still got ourselves where we are.
They're operating in a crap system with the wrong management team 'guiding' them.
Yep, we've been crap all season, injuries have only been a factor last couple of weeks. It worries me that he will use it as an excuse the deeper in the sh*t we get - to those higher in the club.
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Well if Lerner et al can't see through that, they really deserve everything they get
Lerner reminds me of General Lasard in Police Academy more and more by the day. Absolutely clueless at what's going on around him
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Option 3. He's going nowhere. Proud history, relegation fodder.
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Mcliesh will point to the fact that he has lost Petrov, Bent, Dunne, Nzogbia, Hutton, Clarke, and lets be honest most of these players would either play or be contributing if available. We know that he should have achieved far more when he had these players available. Now we go into the run in with a very young and inexpierenced squad desperate for points.
You're right that this would be the excuse. The fact is, with these playeres we've still got ourselves where we are.
They're operating in a crap system with the wrong management team 'guiding' them.
Yep, we've been crap all season, injuries have only been a factor last couple of weeks. It worries me that he will use it as an excuse the deeper in the sh*t we get - to those higher in the club.
I can't help thinking that our few wins have been despite McLeish's input as manager, rather as a result of his input.
Probably unfait, but I can't help thinking it.
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I sincerely doubt he will go if we stay up.
Sadly I don't think they will sack him even if we lose every game and go down. They've probably already factored into his appointment that if he takes us down, he has experience of bouncing straight back without spending much. They might sack him if it looks like we won't bounce straight back up next season.
I still can't get my head around the idiocy, nay insanity, of going out and headhunting a proven, known failure at huge expense. If they're stupid enough to have done that, they're stupid enough to keep him.
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Lerner is in the country so lets hope he finally shows some balls and fires both faulkner and mcleish before its too late!
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I sincerely doubt he will go if we stay up.
Sadly I don't think they will sack him even if we lose every game and go down. They've probably already factored into his appointment that if he takes us down, he has experience of bouncing straight back without spending much. They might sack him if it looks like we won't bounce straight back up next season.
I can't possibly believe for one moment,that when they employed him they considered a possibility he would take us down with the squad we had.No way will they have factored relegation into the equation
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I have this worry that it's purely down to the fact we can't afford to sack him and pay the compensation. Lerner knows he's made a mistake but can't afford to put it right. That would be very scary
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I have this worry that it's purely down to the fact we can't afford to sack him and pay the compensation. Lerner knows he's made a mistake but can't afford to put it right. That would be very scary
Sack him now and pay him off and stay up , or go down and sack him? No brainer in my opinion , wield that axe today, randy!
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I have this worry that it's purely down to the fact we can't afford to sack him and pay the compensation. Lerner knows he's made a mistake but can't afford to put it right. That would be very scary
Sack him now and pay him off and stay up , or go down and sack him? No brainer in my opinion , wield that axe today, randy!
I think it's too late Eastie.I think the injuries are going to do us now,unfortunately
But he still needs to be sacked
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Interested to hear peoples opinions on this scenario. What if Randy can't afford to sack AM but wants to. What if to sack AM and appoint a manager that the majority approve of, we would have to sell Bent!
Would you sell Bent to get a new manager in (and around 10million from the sale to re-invest)?
I for one definitely would!
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Sell bent or keep mcleish ? Bye bye darren, thanks for the goals !
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No point in keeping one of the best strikers on the league when you don't give him the service he needs. McLeish doesn't get the best of of Bent so yes reluctantly I would sell Bent to fund getting a new manager in. My concern then would be that we'd end up with Someone like gerry francis
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No point in keeping one of the best strikers on the league when you do give him the service he needs. McLeish doesn't get the best of of Bent so yes reluctantly I would sell Bent to fund getting a new manager in. My concern then would be that we'd end up with Someone like gerry francis
I think Bent will do his upmost to be fit for the Euro Championship. Hopefully if he puts in a decent performance it will budge his price up a bit.
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New manager everytime. If we go down Bent will be off anyway.
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Hmmm. I just get the impression that the media are waking up to our potential fate. That may create pressures for RL.
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Interested to hear peoples opinions on this scenario. What if Randy can't afford to sack AM but wants to. What if to sack AM and appoint a manager that the majority approve of, we would have to sell Bent!
Would you sell Bent to get a new manager in (and around 10million from the sale to re-invest)?
I for one definitely would!
If that what it takes to get rid of AM then I'd be happy for Bent to leave.
I think Bent will be off in the summer anyway even if we stay up.
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Interested to hear peoples opinions on this scenario. What if Randy can't afford to sack AM but wants to. What if to sack AM and appoint a manager that the majority approve of, we would have to sell Bent!
Would you sell Bent to get a new manager in (and around 10million from the sale to re-invest)?
I for one definitely would!
dont think we would have to sell Bent,
but 'can he afford to sack him' i would say keeping Mcleish at VP will cost him far far more in the long run
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A more pertinent question than when he might get the bullet, which when all is said and done is beyond our control, is when he will feel the wrath from the faithful. I predict this will be quite soon.
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I don't think Lerner wants to pay another manager out for the rest of his contract, he ain't going to walk so sadly we are stuck with him until Lerner gets the message.
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I don't think Lerner wants to pay another manager out for the rest of his contract, he ain't going to walk so sadly we are stuck with him until Lerner gets the message.
If you were Randy, would you want to pay out once more?
What would it say about your judgement as a businessman if you have to pay off yet another manager. If only to save face, I'm sure that Lerner will dig in and ignore the criticism.
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Not correcting a mistake makes you look a much bigger fool than swallowing your pride and doing what is needed. As if anybody doubts he made a mistake in the first place now.
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How can Lerner do nothing, surely you have to protect your investment?
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I'm not even sure Lerner would sack him if we went down.
It is very possible I'm paranoid but does anyone else think Lerner went for McLeish to pay us back for the uproar when we were linked with McLaren? Basically a show of strength by an owner who has had enough of the criticism he has faced since the end of MON's days and the fans questioning his judgement?
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does anyone else think Lerner went for McLeish to pay us back for the uproar when we were linked with McLaren? Basically a show of strength by an owner who has had enough of the criticism he has faced since the end of MON's days and the fans questioning his judgement?
No. You're the only one.
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A more pertinent question than when he might get the bullet, which when all is said and done is beyond our control, is when he will feel the wrath from the faithful. I predict this will be quite soon.
Having seen the venom thrust in the direction of Houllier last season, it amazes me how lightly Mcleish has got off this season. At the end of most home games most of the people in the Lower Trinity have already left and there are too few remaining to abuse him. He deserves much worse than Houllier got and my concern is that when the fans' emotions are finally unleashed it will be rather ugly.
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does anyone else think Lerner went for McLeish to pay us back for the uproar when we were linked with McLaren? Basically a show of strength by an owner who has had enough of the criticism he has faced since the end of MON's days and the fans questioning his judgement?
No. You're the only one.
Ok I thought that would be the case, so why did he go for Eck?
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He acts in the manner of a man who know's he's as safe as Fort Knox.
I think the fuckwits would keep him if we got relegated for his 'excellent Championship record.'
Quote from Paul Faulkner
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Championship experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa
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It's the 'championship experience' that worries me...
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He acts in the manner of a man who know's he's as safe as Fort Knox.
I think the fuckwits would keep him if we got relegated for his 'excellent Championship record.'
Quote from Paul Faulkner
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Championship experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa
just shows what buffoon PF really is
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He acts in the manner of a man who know's he's as safe as Fort Knox.
I think the fuckwits would keep him if we got relegated for his 'excellent Championship record.'
Quote from Paul Faulkner
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Championship experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa
just shows what buffoon PF really is
Not half as much of one as somebody who doesn't think the above quote has been edited slightly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/mobile/football/13770519
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No doubt all the teams in the mix with us will be hopng we don't sack McLeish.
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He acts in the manner of a man who know's he's as safe as Fort Knox.
I think the fuckwits would keep him if we got relegated for his 'excellent Championship record.'
Quote from Paul Faulkner
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Championship experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa
just shows what buffoon PF really is
Not half as much of one as somebody who doesn't think the above quote has been edited slightly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/mobile/football/13770519
I might have to wait a couple of year's between wind ups but I always catch someone in the net......
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I'd like us to go back for Martinez. It'd be expensive (as I imagine part of the reason he signed a new deal was to safe-guard Wigan for any compensation), and I doubt sacking McLeish would come cheap - but we've a few players here who you'd imagine Martinez could work well with.
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He acts in the manner of a man who know's he's as safe as Fort Knox.
I think the fuckwits would keep him if we got relegated for his 'excellent Championship record.'
Quote from Paul Faulkner
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Championship experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa
just shows what buffoon PF really is
Not half as much of one as somebody who doesn't think the above quote has been edited slightly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/mobile/football/13770519
I might have to wait a couple of year's between wind ups but I always catch someone in the net......
Ouch :-[
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You don't really to need to create a wind up to laugh at Faulkner, the truth is funnier than fiction:
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
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I just want him to go now. I've actually started to get mouth ulcers that it's getting me down.
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Yes, what a load of old bollocks.
You don't really to need to create a wind up to laugh at Faulkner, the truth is funnier than fiction:
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
Yep, what a load of old bollocks. Either Mr Faulkner knows shag all about football or thinks we know shag all about football.
Or both.
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Yes, what a load of old bollocks.You don't really to need to create a wind up to laugh at Faulkner, the truth is funnier than fiction:
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
Yep, what a load of old bollocks. Either Mr Faulkner knows shag all about football or thinks we know shag all about football.
Or both.
What an incredible statement to make. If you buy a Trabant then it's like to perform well like a Trabant ie poorly.
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You don't really to need to create a wind up to laugh at Faulkner, the truth is funnier than fiction:
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
Has he enjoyed the exciting season he was forecasting? ::)
On the BBC at lunchtime, they reported Lerner spoke to all the players at the training ground today and AM told them the rest of the season was in their hands. I thought it was also in his as their manager.
They didn't report what Lerner said to them, but I hope it was inspiring. ;D
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You don't really to need to create a wind up to laugh at Faulkner, the truth is funnier than fiction:
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
Has he enjoyed the exciting season he was forecasting? ::)
On the BBC at lunchtime, they reported Lerner spoke to all the players at the training ground today and AM told them the rest of the season was in their hands. I thought it was also in his as their manager.
They didn't report what Lerner said to them, but I hope it was inspiring. ;D
I think Faulkner was actually talking about how much he was looking forward to the new season of Desperate Housewives.
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He acts in the manner of a man who know's he's as safe as Fort Knox.
I think the fuckwits would keep him if we got relegated for his 'excellent Championship record.'
Quote from Paul Faulkner
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Championship experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa
just shows what buffoon PF really is
Not half as much of one as somebody who doesn't think the above quote has been edited slightly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/mobile/football/13770519
As Risso pointed out, the real comments are far more hilarious than the real ones.
That must be something Faulkner has in common with the General.
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So AM is reporting that RL gave the players a pep talk It worries that the responsibilty of saving our season seems to be lying on our youngsters shoulders, whereas Alex is just an innocent bystander despite him getting us into this mess in the first place What's the chances that Alex was given a little talking to as well ? Slim I would say
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So AM is reporting that RL gave the players a pep talk It worries that the responsibilty of saving our season seems to be lying on our youngsters shoulders, whereas Alex is just an innocent bystander despite him getting us into this mess in the first place What's the chances that Alex was given a little talking to as well ? Slim I would say
I don't think it's fair at all to claim that McLeish got us into this mess. He's been a big factor, but the blame rests on so many other shoulders than just his.
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
Call me petty, but I still hold MON responsible as key perpetrator.
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
Call me petty, but I still hold MON responsible as key perpetrator.
Petty! ;)
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
Call me petty, but I still hold MON responsible as key perpetrator.
Petty! ;)
Probably a bad time to mention that I currently spend every free moment trying to invent witty songs to sing when Sunderland come to B6 in a few weeks time ;)
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
Call me petty, but I still hold MON responsible as key perpetrator.
You are correct but not the flavour of the month. The Poison Dwarf is the cause of all our problems.
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It has been almost two years since he left. I have no doubt that he has caused many of the problems that we face. However, I think we should have dealt with these problems much better than we have, so that we are not still counting the cost so long later. Rather than solving the problems, the response of the higher ups at Villa Park has only served to exacerbate them.
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
Call me petty, but I still hold MON responsible as key perpetrator.
If MON was the real perpetrator, how come they never went through with this in an open forum, why did they pay him off? He made some terrible mistakes but who allowed him to make them?
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I have a feeling that McLeish will be allowed to see out his contract, by which time we will have got back to the position we were at when O'Leary left. A lower mid table/relegation threatened team with a few good players which could form the basis of a good team with investment and a collection of others who will be easier/cheaper to dispose of than at present.
I suspect that is what he was hired to do in the first place, despite all the spin and letters of recommendation.
The only things that would change this is either a significant (positive) change in the club's finances or we nosedive to the bottom of the league come this Christmas (where 'league' could actually be the championship.
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
Call me petty, but I still hold MON responsible as key perpetrator.
You are correct but not the flavour of the month. The Poison Dwarf is the cause of all our problems.
Really?
Remind me again who gave him the keys to the cash register.
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Reading those PF statements has just reminded me just how much he needs to stop making football decisions. Doesn't have a single clue, not a single one.
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
Call me petty, but I still hold MON responsible as key perpetrator.
The Poison Dwarf is the cause of all our problems.
I'm sorry but was it Martin O'Neil who employed Alex Mcleish?
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You are correct but not the flavour of the month. The Poison Dwarf is the cause of all our problems.
What nonsense.
He is certainly the cause of some of them. But ALL of them?
Christ on a bike.
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
Call me petty, but I still hold MON responsible as key perpetrator.
You are correct but not the flavour of the month. The Poison Dwarf is the cause of all our problems.
Yet based on your own logic, you were no doubt supporting him 100% when he was here. That worked well didn't it.
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It makes you wonder if there are actually some undertones to be read into Lerners recent intervention / pep talk.
Has he become so worried he feels McClit cant rally the troops alone? Has he lost faith in the managers ability to motivate? Could these be the actions of a concerned custodian?
Otherwise, why get involved?
All I know is, a similar (although admittedly more hostile) thing happened with Steve Morgan at Wolves a couple of months back, and McCarthy was out of a job within weeks.
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From what I understood, he is frequently seen at Bodymoor but normally says nothing. On this particular occasion I believe he was asked by McLeish to speak, so I would not read too much into it.
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if we were to lose at home to Stoke it could make even Randy aware that he is not up to it.
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So even McLeish has no faith in own ability?
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I've gone for option 3 but only because there isn't a 4th option - he would go if we get relegated. He might even walk! Surely Lerner/Faulkner would have a get out of jail clause in his contract that meant staying in post was dependent on staying in the PL?
Can't see him walking and losing the chance of a juicy pay off.
Er MON walked and got a slice.
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So even McLeish has no faith in own ability?
I guess McLeish thought that some big US style pep talk would have the desired effect. We’ll see this weekend.
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Reading those PF statements has just reminded me just how much he needs to stop making football decisions. Doesn't have a single clue, not a single one.
How did he get the job? Did he sleep his way to the top or something? I've never warmed to him. Things just went to crap when he joined.
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I just can't imagine quietly spoken Randy being the sort of person to give a 'Rally the troops for the final battle' type of speech.
Unless of course he has been taking tea cup throwing lessons from Fergie or even lessons in screaming obscenities in their faces for ten minutes from Barry Fry. :)
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Reading those PF statements has just reminded me just how much he needs to stop making football decisions. Doesn't have a single clue, not a single one.
How did he get the job? Did he sleep his way to the top or something? I've never warmed to him. Things just went to crap when he joined.
In September 2006.
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Reading those PF statements has just reminded me just how much he needs to stop making football decisions. Doesn't have a single clue, not a single one.
How did he get the job? Did he sleep his way to the top or something? I've never warmed to him. Things just went to crap when he joined.
In September 2006.
Paul Faulkner? Was it not May 2010 he became Chief Exec Dave?
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Reading those PF statements has just reminded me just how much he needs to stop making football decisions. Doesn't have a single clue, not a single one.
How did he get the job? Did he sleep his way to the top or something? I've never warmed to him. Things just went to crap when he joined.
In September 2006.
Paul Faulkner? Was it not May 2012 he became Chief Exec Dave?
He joined Villa when Randy arrived. He became chief executive in May 2010 - before then he'd apparently done the same job but under a different title.
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Am I right in thinking that the contract MON signed under Doug allowed him to dictate terms and conditions of his signings?
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Reading those PF statements has just reminded me just how much he needs to stop making football decisions. Doesn't have a single clue, not a single one.
How did he get the job? Did he sleep his way to the top or something? I've never warmed to him. Things just went to crap when he joined.
In September 2006.
Paul Faulkner? Was it not May 2012 he became Chief Exec Dave?
He joined Villa when Randy arrived. He became chief executive in May 2010 - before then he'd apparently done the same job but under a different title.
If it's he who included the 'Premier League experience' criterion, then there's one aspect of his job leaving a lot to be desired.
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Am I right in thinking that the contract MON signed under Doug allowed him to dictate terms and conditions of his signings?
As the sale of the club to Randy was in a fairly advanced stage when Doug signed MON up I'm sure that Randy would have been in on the contract negotiations. So I expect that Randy saw the terms and agreed with them.
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He joined Villa when Randy arrived. He became chief executive in May 2010 - before then he'd apparently done the same job but under a different title.
A bit like Robert De Niro's 'Ace' Rothstein in Casino.
Was he Manager of food and beverages?
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Well obviously he should never have been employed in the first place but his sheer cowardice and poor tactics/team selections throughout the season when he had a fully fit squad is why we are where we are but I agree the blame ultimately lies with Randy
Call me petty, but I still hold MON responsible as key perpetrator.
You are correct but not the flavour of the month. The Poison Dwarf is the cause of all our problems.
Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
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Am I right in thinking that the contract MON signed under Doug allowed him to dictate terms and conditions of his signings?
As the sale of the club to Randy was in a fairly advanced stage when Doug signed MON up I'm sure that Randy would have been in on the contract negotiations. So I expect that Randy saw the terms and agreed with them.
Thanks TLP
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Reading those PF statements has just reminded me just how much he needs to stop making football decisions. Doesn't have a single clue, not a single one.
How did he get the job? Did he sleep his way to the top or something? I've never warmed to him. Things just went to crap when he joined.
In September 2006.
Paul Faulkner? Was it not May 2012 he became Chief Exec Dave?
He joined Villa when Randy arrived. He became chief executive in May 2010 - before then he'd apparently done the same job but under a different title.
I stand corrected. That's fair enough, maybe he should do the job under the old title then!
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
That seems a bit odd though. The fact virtually all the managerial team left with him, that many of the players seemed to be in shock and virtually the whole club seemed completely rudderless for a nearly a month after MON walked makes that sound like a bit of mischief.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
I think it's tosh that people still blame him for what's happening now.
It's like blaming Ron Saunders for winning the league, having a row with his boss and leaving and then the team gradually get worse over a few years.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
I think it's tosh that people still blame him for what's happening now.
It's like blaming Ron Saunders for winning the league, having a row with his boss and leaving and then the team gradually get worse over a few years.
Maybe she works in a different department to the one we were told about. Aston Villa employs an awful lot of people, not only on match days and not only at Villa Park.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
That seems a bit odd though. The fact virtually all the managerial team left with him, that many of the players seemed to be in shock and virtually the whole club seemed completely rudderless for a nearly a month after MON walked makes that sound like a bit of mischief.
See my my reply to nodge. It is no mischief. You have to remember just how many people are employed by Aston Villa.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
Maybe it did, maybe it did'nt.
Have'nt we done well since then though?
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It started before he left though.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
Maybe it did, maybe it did'nt.
Have'nt we done well since then though?
It started before he left though.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
Maybe it did, maybe it did'nt.
Have'nt we done well since then though?
The thing with O'Neill was that we could have done a lot better with the squad we had. He thought he was bigger than the club. One mistake he made was being very aggressive with a high profile member of staff before the Valencia game. His card was marked from then on. I could never understand why the General denied that O'Neill had his own private family room in the Trinity. I saw it but nobody was allowed in.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
Where was the "party" and which members of staff organised it? How many people attended?
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we have done rubbish since MON left, doesnt mean we want him back though
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we have done rubbish since MON left, doesnt mean we want him back though
Bodymoor Heath.
Sorry. Replied to wrong post.
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The thing with O'Neill was that we could have done a lot better with the squad we had..
That's true, I agree on that, but if that's true about MON, it is utterly written in stone for the current manager. I honestly don't see how you can criticise MON for that, yet be so supportive of a manager who has made a decent squad look utterly wretched so often - not because it's not coming off for him, but because that's what he does - negative, and unambitious.
I'd have a lot more time for McLeish if we could at least see what he's trying to do, and that he was trying to win games, but so many times, he does not do that at all.
In fact, I have seen plenty of shit Villa sides over the years, but I genuinely can't remember feeling embarassed by the way we play as often as I have this season.
That's the really depressing thing for me.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
Where was the "party" and which members of staff organised it? How many people attended?
Well, I imagine the international scout, perhaps the physio in charge of treating player fatigue, the youth coaches, the club accountants (etc, etc, etc...)
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I can confirm what DC5 has posted. The majority of the backroom staff at BMH were delighted when he departed.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
I know who I believe.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
Maybe it did, maybe it did'nt.
Have'nt we done well since then though?
The thing with O'Neill was that we could have done a lot better with the squad we had. He thought he was bigger than the club. One mistake he made was being very aggressive with Sharon Barnhurst before the Valencia game. His card was marked from then on. I could never understand why the General denied that O'Neill had his own private family room in the Trinity. I saw it but nobody was allowed in.
You have'nt answered my question have you?
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
Maybe it did, maybe it did'nt.
Have'nt we done well since then though?
The thing with O'Neill was that we could have done a lot better with the squad we had. He thought he was bigger than the club. One mistake he made was being very aggressive with Sharon Barnhurst before the Valencia game. His card was marked from then on. I could never understand why the General denied that O'Neill had his own private family room in the Trinity. I saw it but nobody was allowed in.
You have'nt answered my question have you?
The one about we have'nt done well? No we haven't.
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I can confirm what DC5 has posted. The majority of the backroom staff at BMH were delighted when he departed.
It isn't just players and coaching staff down there either.
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I can confirm what DC5 has posted. The majority of the backroom staff at BMH were delighted when he departed.
It isn't just players and coaching staff down there either.
I know that. My use of the word 'backroom' might not be the correct one.
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we have done rubbish since MON left, doesnt mean we want him back though
This.
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The reason why we haven't done well since MON walked out on us, is that he left behind scores of overpaid, average footballers with shit attitudes who, because they're on such lucrative contracts, are impossible to shift.
And the only feasible way to solve the financial mess he created, has been to sell his few decent signings.
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
I know who I believe.
Likewise. I'm going to have to bow to your superior knowledge now as there's a pub or two need visiting around the albert docks.
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But surely popularity is not necessarily linked to a persons competence in their position? Managers are often unpopular because they have decisions to make which upset people.
In fact, the worst manager I ever worked for also happened the nicest manager I was ever employed by. The problem was, he was so reluctant to confront and discipline his staff, that many of the stronger characters walked all over him.
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The reason why we haven't done well since MON walked out on us, is that he left behind scores of overpaid, average footballers with shit attitudes who, because they're on such lucrative contracts, are impossible to shift.
And the only feasible way to solve the financial mess he created, has been to sell his few decent signings.
I disagree, they were shit, who else would have paid Heskey 65k a week? We were fucked up by this kind of player on this kind of wages.........................
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Absolute bollocks! Just like your claim that all the staff had a party when he left.
How do you knows that they didn't? We were given that snippet by a very reliable source. Some of the staff had very good reason to celebrate the back of MoN.
I was given a snippet from my niece who still works there. If the staff had a party she wasn't invited and knows nothing about it. In fact, she says the mood was quite the opposite when he left. The people she works with had a lot of time for him.
Believe what you will. It happened.
I know who I believe.
Likewise. I'm going to have to bow to your superior knowledge now as there's a pub or two need visiting around the albert docks.
House!
I don't have superior knowledge, maybe the party didn't spread to VP from Bodymoor. I hope it carried on when McLeish gatecrashed.
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Nodge, I have no idea, but chances are the party was confined to BMH as, other than on match days, O'Neill was not known to frequent Villa Park.