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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 29, 2012, 10:12:54 AM
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By Brett Gibbons, Birmingham Mail
FURIOUS Villa fans are planning more action against the team’s current plight with a protest before and after the clash with Chelsea at Villa Park.
Members of group We Want McLeish Out plan to voice their anger near the famous McGregor statue at 2.15pm on Saturday and repeat the demonstration after the game.
Previous protests have failed to gain too much support.
But the organiser of Saturday’s gathering wants fans to turn up the heat on club management, including boss Alex McLeish and chief executive Paul Faulkner.
Protest leader Chris Hearn said: “People will sneer and say it’s a waste of time, but if people want McLeish out then surely now is the time to act.
“We want a loud demonstration, but we will make sure it is peaceful and respectful. We don’t want people to use bad language or any offensive chants.”
Mr Hearn, a teacher, said he thought several hundred fans would join the latest action, compared to a few dozen at previous gatherings of disgruntled supporters.
He said: “A number of fans are happy to moan and groan online but when it comes to taking part in any planned action to show their discontent they refuse to take part.
“The larger the number present at the protest, the more serious we will be taken.”
But many fans feel the action would be counter-productive and all supporters should get behind the team for a difficult end to the Premier League season.
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The thing with footy protests by loyal fans is that they then go and ruin it by paying in to the game after. Does anyone know of a protest where thousands have turned up and then stayed outside during the game ?
Not a comment on this protest at all just an observation and good luck with it.
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Perhaps they should form a coalition with Newcastle fans and arrange a swap, Ashley for Mcleish. Not sure i'd want to negotiate with Blackburn at this stage.
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I would rather walk out at kick off
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The last one was such a success and did everyone proud,so why not.
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The thing with footy protests by loyal fans is that they then go and ruin it by paying in to the game after. Does anyone know of a protest where thousands have turned up and then stayed outside during the game ?
Not a comment on this protest at all just an observation and good luck with it.
I seem to remember a Celtic group trying a boycott years ago.
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The time for this sort of thing is the last home game when we are (hopefully) safe
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It's a difficult one, on one hand Yes I've had enough but on the other, will Randy or Mcshit listen? probably not. It's not worked for Blackburn has it?
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This sort of thing is really pointless.
They're going to wave placards for a bit, then go into the game.
If they really want to find some form of protest, they should just not go to the games. The club knows which season ticket holders are and are not using their tickets frequently. They'll notice something like that plus lower gates far more than they will a bit of chanting by the statue.
Also, there's the fact that the "hit the streets and protest" thing was kind of done when McLeish got the job. Anything that doesn't go further than that is now going to look a bit half arsed.
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This sort of thing is really pointless.
They're going to wave placards for a bit, then go into the game.
If they really want to find some form of protest, they should just not go to the games. The club knows which season ticket holders are and are not using their tickets frequently. They'll notice something like that plus lower gates far more than they will a bit of chanting by the statue.
Also, there's the fact that the "hit the streets and protest" thing was kind of done when McLeish got the job. Anything that doesn't go further than that is now going to look a bit half arsed.
An ongoing protest outside the ground while the game is going on would be quite cool. Course, you run the danger of, you know, winning the match and hastily disbanding (or you recognise it was a flash in the pan and carry on, much to the amusement of neutrals who don't fully understand the situation).
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I look forward to the loud and peaceful demonstration.
I've heard that self-immolation is all the rage, these days.
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I remember a protest but can remember the teams where the majority of fans stayed away from their seats for the first 5-10mins of the match so the players came out and kicked off infront of a vastly empty stadium. Then after the time the fans came out and cheered on the team as normal.
Something like that would be quite powerful. But again negative towards the team. We've paid out season ticket money so the club has that but we're not spending any money in food, beer or programmes while we're there. If the majority of the rest are doing the same then that has to be having an impact on match day revenue. It's a double egded sword though. Less money from these sorts of revenue streams then has an impact on what we can do next season surely with transfer funds etc.
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I will not be protesting in this way.
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Completely pointless. The protests need to be aimed directly at Lerner, a man who for reasons only known to himself has decided to inflict on us supporters 2 seasons of abject mediocrity and given no reason for us to believe that the future under him will see any improvement.
This club represents England's second city and as such deserves better.
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William McGregor will be spinning in his grave.
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This club represents England's second city
Does it?
The fans come first, not the city of Birmingham.
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Maybe this time they'll upgrade from protest messages on A4 sheets of paper to A3.
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good luck to them, at least they are trying to do something,
the majority of people on here want AM gone and think he is taking the club backwards, but will only moan on the internet about it,
the protesters will be derided as usual, re bed sheets, A4 bits of paper, spotty teenagers etc, but the fact of the matter is they are only saying out loud what we are posting on this site.
'the club wont listen its pointless' argument is because there wont be many of them, if there was 20000 they would, believe me they would soon sit up and take notice.
i am just as bad, as i have given up on attending VP as its not what i want to watch, its not done as a protest more out of boredom and frustration, but thats just me.
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We will soon have more protest groups than the F.A. have committees. I reckon that until the Dalai Lama openly comes out and backs Randy, Paul and Alex we will continue to see these protests.
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You can moan and groan as much as you like about AM Lerner will ignore it as long as it doesn't affect attendences, if you really want McCleish out a couple of empty Villa Parks with the threat of more to come would do the trick. No gain without pain.
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Down with this sort of thing! Careful now.
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Let's all wear all black.
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I'm with John E on this. I think a protest now is fair enough. When the last one happened it was at a time when it looked as if McFeck had changed his ways. He's since reverted to type more than once and the future looks bleak under him. It's easy to say these things are pointless, but it's the apathy as much as anything that reduces their effect. If several thousand turned up instead of saying there's no point, then it would have an impact and there would be a point. What's more "damaging to the club" not attending games at all and denying them much needed income, or turning up, telling the owners/manager very loudly they need to respectively, get their heads out of their arses / fuck off, and then getting behind the team for the game?
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Tony Cascarino has warned Aston Villa they are facing a fans’ revolt.
The Midlands giants are 15th in the Premier League, eight points clear of the bottom three, but have won just two league games in 2012.
And Cascarino admits the club’s supporters are fed up with the situation, particularly following last weekend’s dismal display in a 3-0 defeat at Arsenal.
The fans are just numb. They’re waiting for something to happen but the club is in limbo at the moment— Tony Cascarino
The former Villa striker told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast: “I was at the Emirates on Saturday and Villa were awful. They never looked like scoring. I was amazed how poor they were.
“The frustration spilled over, and the Villa fans didn’t chant once. They are just numb. They’re waiting for something to happen but the club is in limbo at the moment.
“The die-hard Villa fans are not happy with what’s happening.
“It’s a really strange time for the club. I’d be amazed if season tickets sales don’t suffer disastrously because of what’s happening this year.
“Sales will be well down if the fans aren’t looking forward to next season. But they’re dreading it.”
Are you reading Mr Faulkner.
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2:15pm? I'll be in the pub.
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Completely pointless. The protests need to be aimed directly at Lerner, a man who for reasons only known to himself has decided to inflict on us supporters 2 seasons of abject mediocrity and given no reason for us to believe that the future under him will see any improvement.
This club represents England's second city and as such deserves better.
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Aston Villa represents Aston Villa.
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The last one was such a success and did everyone proud,so why not.
Was it?
I only ask as there was no one around when I turned up.
A mate, who's a steward said he heard them but it didn't sound as if there were many.
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The last one was such a success and did everyone proud,so why not.
Was it?
I only ask as there was no one around when I turned up.
A mate, who's a steward said he heard them but it didn't sound as if there were many.
I think he's being sarcastic
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The last one was such a success and did everyone proud,so why not.
Was it?
I only ask as there was no one around when I turned up.
A mate, who's a steward said he heard them but it didn't sound as if there were many.
I think he's being sarcastic
Thank F*** for that, I thought I may have been going deaf and blind :-)
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I cant stand Cascarino and thought he was shite for us but I know even at his age now , he would score more goals than Heskey up front.
I do think the crowds are going to be bad next season.
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Cascarino is a twat. TBH.
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Cascarino is a twat. TBH.
Doesa that make what he said wrong?
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Cascarino is a twat. TBH.
Doesa that make what he said wrong?
No. And I never said that.
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Shoe in the air Iraqi style.
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The thing with footy protests by loyal fans is that they then go and ruin it by paying in to the game after.
It's a bit like the Manure fans wearing the green and yellow scarves whilst slumped in their seats at Old Trafford. That must have had the owners quaking in their boots at such recalcitrance.
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The thing with footy protests by loyal fans is that they then go and ruin it by paying in to the game after.
It's a bit like the Manure fans wearing the green and yellow scarves whilst slumped in their seats at Old Trafford. That must have had the owners quaking in their boots at such recalcitrance.
Bet Norwich players were impressed with the away support.
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The thing with footy protests by loyal fans is that they then go and ruin it by paying in to the game after.
It's a bit like the Manure fans wearing the green and yellow scarves whilst slumped in their seats at Old Trafford. That must have had the owners quaking in their boots at such recalcitrance.
Bet Norwich players were impressed with the away support.
A lot of them had actually travelled from far and wide strangely enough.
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Crowds will only be down if we're in the bottom 6 again. If we're in the top 6 or so and in the last 8 of the League Cup come December crowds will be good and half season ticket sales will be great. Regardless of who the manager is. Some of us ARE fickle.
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Crowds will only be down if we're in the bottom 6 again. If we're in the top 6 or so and in the last 8 of the League Cup come December crowds will be good and half season ticket sales will be great. Regardless of who the manager is. Some of us ARE fickle.
I made this point on another post about how when we scraped the win against Fulham, fans were buzzing. Then when were demolished by an Arsenal team playing in second gear, fans were despondent again. Scrape a draw against Yelsea, and fans will be talking up our potential again.
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Crowds will only be down if we're in the bottom 6 again. If we're in the top 6 or so and in the last 8 of the League Cup come December crowds will be good and half season ticket sales will be great. Regardless of who the manager is. Some of us ARE fickle.
We're not fickle!
We just don't like it!
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Crowds will only be down if we're in the bottom 6 again. If we're in the top 6 or so and in the last 8 of the League Cup come December crowds will be good and half season ticket sales will be great. Regardless of who the manager is. Some of us ARE fickle.
I made this point on another post about how when we scraped the win against Fulham, fans were buzzing. Then when were demolished by an Arsenal team playing in second gear, fans were despondent again. Scrape a draw against Yelsea, and fans will be talking up our potential again.
The post match euphoria after Fulham puzzled me as well.
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Crowds will only be down if we're in the bottom 6 again. If we're in the top 6 or so and in the last 8 of the League Cup come December crowds will be good and half season ticket sales will be great. Regardless of who the manager is. Some of us ARE fickle.
I made this point on another post about how when we scraped the win against Fulham, fans were buzzing. Then when were demolished by an Arsenal team playing in second gear, fans were despondent again. Scrape a draw against Yelsea, and fans will be talking up our potential again.
Fans happy after victory with some decent football and pissed off after a defeat where we didn't turn up eh? Who'd evra thunk it? If that's what makes us fickle then I think you can ascribe the term to pretty much every fan in the country.
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One thing I learned many years ago is that football supporters want to watch football. Nothing much else matters.
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Crowds will only be down if we're in the bottom 6 again. If we're in the top 6 or so and in the last 8 of the League Cup come December crowds will be good and half season ticket sales will be great. Regardless of who the manager is. Some of us ARE fickle.
I made this point on another post about how when we scraped the win against Fulham, fans were buzzing. Then when were demolished by an Arsenal team playing in second gear, fans were despondent again. Scrape a draw against Yelsea, and fans will be talking up our potential again.
Fans happy after victory with some decent football and pissed off after a defeat where we didn't turn up eh? Who'd evra thunk it? If that's what makes us fickle then I think you can ascribe the term to pretty much every fan in the country.
Oh of course, but some fans seemed to ascribe it to the bigger picture, a mistake in my view. Some seemed to take the Fulham game as an example of us going forward as a team. To be honest, I think that was a more hopeful than a considered reaction, which is understandable (I was latching onto any good sign earlier in the season), but the Arsenal game provided a bit of a reality check.
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It depends on how you define football. We didn't produce much, if any, football away at Spurs or Arsenal. I doubt many fans were happy to watch it either, and that's the Manager's fault. I also think it matters a lot if the football you are watching is at least a bit entertaining, and it matters a lot if it is in the PL or a lower level.
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Completely pointless. The protests need to be aimed directly at Lerner, a man who for reasons only known to himself has decided to inflict on us supporters 2 seasons of abject mediocrity and given no reason for us to believe that the future under him will see any improvement.
This club represents England's second city and as such deserves better.
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Aston Villa represents Aston Villa.
What I mean is that we are the biggest club in the second city and as such our inability to compete with the biggest clubs in London, Manchester and Liverpool is pathetic.
Football has done a huge amount for the prestige and profile of Liverpool and Manchester due to the success of their clubs.
We should be doing the same for Birmingham, but it's certainly not going to happen under Lerner's ownership.
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Tony Cascarino has warned Aston Villa they are facing a fans’ revolt.
They’re waiting for something to happen but the club is in limbo at the moment— Tony Cascarino
Bit rich coming from Cantscorino. He had his chance to make something happen at the club but couldn't hit a barn door from four foot the usless oaf.
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I don't think there's a great deal wrong with what Cascarino has said, even if he can't say Birmingham properly.
Here's another point of view.
http://www.teamtalk.com/blog/16129/7633213/Vulnerable-Villa-paying-an-Eck-of-a-lot
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Tony Cascarino has warned Aston Villa they are facing a fans’ revolt.
They’re waiting for something to happen but the club is in limbo at the moment— Tony Cascarino
Bit rich coming from Cantscorino. He had his chance to make something happen at the club but couldn't hit a barn door from four foot the usless oaf.
From his own mouth he admits that most of his time with us was spent in late night card games and getting pissed.
Utterly shit footballer.
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
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I'll be protesting on Saturday because I want to voice my discontent. Then yes, I'll go into the match, because I renewed my season ticket in the summer before we appointed McLeish and the nightmare began. I've paid my money so I may as well sit through it. Then if he isn't sacked in May I will stop going and that will be my new form of protest.
It's not just because we are bad, I've renewed in years gone by when things haven't been great at Villa Park. It's now a matter of principle because the owner is stubbornly ploughing on despite it being abundantly clear (to me anyway) that McLeish was a catastrophic appointment. If they think this season is acceptable I have to opt out until they see sense.
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
I think we all know that McLeish is being paid far more than his talents deserve, but has Bilic done anything that warrants us being particularly impressed by him?
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
I think we all know that McLeish is being paid far more than his talents deserve, but has Bilic done anything that warrants us being particularly impressed by him?
i know you cant judge him on a bit of punditry, but he always came over poorly whenever he was on TV,
he found it difficult to comunicate his thoughts, which i would imagine is quite important as a prem league manager
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
I think we all know that McLeish is being paid far more than his talents deserve, but has Bilic done anything that warrants us being particularly impressed by him?
He looks pretty cool, and very, very hard. He would do better than Eck I am pretty sure.
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
I think we all know that McLeish is being paid far more than his talents deserve, but has Bilic done anything that warrants us being particularly impressed by him?
Well he's obviously got no league record, but qualifying for two out of three major international tournaments with Croatia isn't a bad achievement. Not that I'm arguing that he's "all that", but I'd still rather see him as manager than McLeish, who is just woeful.
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
I think we all know that McLeish is being paid far more than his talents deserve, but has Bilic done anything that warrants us being particularly impressed by him?
Well he's obviously got no league record, but qualifying for two out of three major international tournaments with Croatia isn't a bad achievement. Not that I'm arguing that he's "all that", but I'd still rather see him as manager than McLeish, who is just woeful.
i dont think we can start using the 'he'd do better than Mcliesh' as the standard or we really would be widening the net pretty wide
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
I think we all know that McLeish is being paid far more than his talents deserve, but has Bilic done anything that warrants us being particularly impressed by him?
cant be any worse
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
I think we all know that McLeish is being paid far more than his talents deserve, but has Bilic done anything that warrants us being particularly impressed by him?
i know you cant judge him on a bit of punditry, but he always came over poorly whenever he was on TV,
he found it difficult to comunicate his thoughts, which i would imagine is quite important as a prem league manager
are you talking about McLeish John ;)
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When a couple of thousand turned up in the preseason before the manager was appointed the club didn't listen.
About 50 turning up outside a turnstile at peak time for entry and meeting back their after at peak exit time will certainly stir the club into action.
I think the protest fella has gone like that Fear fella who an a site.
Media whores now who give their opinions and talk as though they talk for us all and if you say other wise they try to criticise.
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Im just saying people on here are always saying , who would replace him . Im not saying Bilic but there are a lot of good managers out there who would have cost half .quarter or fifth of the money . I cant believe we are paying £2 million .
anyone AVB would get my vote
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
I think we all know that McLeish is being paid far more than his talents deserve, but has Bilic done anything that warrants us being particularly impressed by him?
Well he's obviously got no league record, but qualifying for two out of three major international tournaments with Croatia isn't a bad achievement.
The other way of phrasing it though is that he wasn't able to qualify for a tournament for only the second time since Croatia became an independent country, despite having some extremely good players. He's managed to finish behind both Greece and Ukraine in the last couple of qualifying groups.
He seems to have a good reputation because he looks good in a suit, has an earring and managed to (just about) beat that dreadful McClaren England team.
Obviously he'd be better than McLeish but as John says, that doesn't automatically mean he should be given time of day.
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I'm going hell for leather to try and make it there.
Its very simple, Do you want McLiesh in charge next season, or, do you want him out?, that's it.
From what I can see the management are already making plans to keep him next season and beyond, I can see Villa going into massive decline, its now down to the fans to force the point, the management is out of touch or not listening, so they must be made to listen and in my opinion nobody protest like a Villa fan once we get stuck in, even the unmovable Ellis gave way and got rid of O'Leary once the banners started rolling out.
Now is the time, the season is over in all but name only for Villa, the fans have to start thinking of next season, getting excited about next season, getting hopeful and having ambitions about what might be, me personally if I have to look at another season's crap like this one, then that's it for me I'll just kick footy into touch and take up watching tiddlywinks as the better and more exciting option than watching Villa slog through another season.
IMO, If there are 30,000 Villa fans in the ground then we should see 30,000 demonstrating and making there feeling known.
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I would have it for 400,000 a year than McLeish for £2 million .
not that I want him but any one else than our manager right now .
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30,000 supporting our team would be better. Why does everyone have to have the same opinion as you?
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Ive got these horrible butterflies in my stomach at the moment , ever since McLeish became manager , they are getting worse. They wont be gone , first when Heskey has gone and hopefully when the manager too.
Its a bloody horrid feeling I have .
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No matter what I say on here, I just know that I'll end up eating a balti pie watching the 45 protesters dance around with their homemade 'McLeish out!' placards.
As much as I think we need to get rid of Big Feck to move the club forwards, I'm firmly in the group that thinks these things are best left to the summer. For the next few months we need to get behind the team to ensure we're playing Premier League football next year. Once we've guaranteed that, I'll happily get involved in these shenanigans.
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No matter what I say on here, I just know that I'll end up eating a balti pie watching the 45 protesters dance around with their homemade 'McLeish out!' placards.
As much as I think we need to get rid of Big Feck to move the club forwards, I'm firmly in the group that thinks these things are best left to the summer. For the next few months we need to get behind the team to ensure we're playing Premier League football next year. Once we've guaranteed that, I'll happily get involved in these shenanigans.
How difficult is that to understand?
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Problem is lee, 30k getting behind the team can be seen as simply accepting him.
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30,000 supporting our team would be better. Why does everyone have to have the same opinion as you?
You can have 130,000 fans supporting the team, it will make no difference whatsoever as to the result or as to the status of the team and the appalling white flag negative football we are playing, we may not all agree totally on the minor details of the points raised but one thing is patently obvious, change has to be made and its becoming obvious that its going to be down to the fans to push that through.
For me it very very simple, there is right and there is wrong and McLiesh is wrong for Villa, anybody can have the opinion that McLiesh can stay, no problem with that, providing they don't mind seeing the inevitable decline of the club under his management, all Villa fans I know detest the football and detest the way the club is going.
If anyone wants to support the team/club, then look beyond what you may think is the case and see what is actually happening, the right way to support the club is for the overall good of the football club and its future, it may not be something you agree with now, but this time next season you will if McLiesh is still in charge.
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Problem is lee, 30k getting behind the team can be seen as simply accepting him.
its a bit like supporting the troops but not the war
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A protest will achieve absolutely nothing. It will not change anyone at the club's opinion. Mr Lerner is not listening.
If you want to show your displeasure, don't go. Or even better, bide your time and play the long game as such a truly sub-standard employee will eventually either improve or most likely be on the dole before long.
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As much as I think we need to get rid of Big Feck to move the club forwards, I'm firmly in the group that thinks these things are best left to the summer. For the next few months we need to get behind the team to ensure we're playing Premier League football next year. Once we've guaranteed that, I'll happily get involved in these shenanigans.
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A protest will achieve absolutely nothing. It will not change anyone at the club's opinion. Mr Lerner is not listening.
If you want to show your displeasure, don't go. Or even better, bide your time and play the long game as such a truly sub-standard employee will eventually either improve or most likely be on the dole before long.
2 good points, Mr Lerner has stopped listening, no question about that, problem is people stop going and the club falls into financial ruin and its gone anyway, its up to the fans now and McLiesh has got to be pretty thick skinned to sit there through 90 mins of discontent, no point waiting till the summer, we start looking now and it will take until the summer to replace him and will give the next manager a good close season to work with the squad and build the team he wants.
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McLiesh has got to be pretty thick skinned to sit there through 90 mins of discontent
Is '90 minutes of discontent' likely to be a helpful atmosphere to help us beat Chelsea on Saturday?
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If i was them i'd leave it to the last home game if we're safe. More of an impact. Go on the pitch, stop the lap of (dis)honour from the players, grab the headlines. Now is just pointless - he's not going anywhere till the end of the season at least.
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Right firstly I believe if these guys wanna protest then thats their right, personally getting i feel that getting behind the team is more productive. Secondly yes I don't want Mcleish as manager but whenever they say their talking for the majority of Villa fans they are not yes we might not want him but you protest for yourself and no one else.
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As much as I think we need to get rid of Big Feck to move the club forwards, I'm firmly in the group that thinks these things are best left to the summer. For the next few months we need to get behind the team to ensure we're playing Premier League football next year. Once we've guaranteed that, I'll happily get involved in these shenanigans.
It's this that makes it so difficult. Wanting to get behind the team is admirable, and the right thing to do but, when we're safe, it's much harder to get people to protest because there's no immediate danger. The reality is there won't ever be a good time to arrange a protest.
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Next season worries me greatly.
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Slaven Bilic 400,000 a year as Croatia manager.. quarter of the price of McLeish
I think we all know that McLeish is being paid far more than his talents deserve, but has Bilic done anything that warrants us being particularly impressed by him?
Well he's obviously got no league record, but qualifying for two out of three major international tournaments with Croatia isn't a bad achievement.
The other way of phrasing it though is that he wasn't able to qualify for a tournament for only the second time since Croatia became an independent country, despite having some extremely good players. He's managed to finish behind both Greece and Ukraine in the last couple of qualifying groups.
He seems to have a good reputation because he looks good in a suit, has an earring and managed to (just about) beat that dreadful McClaren England team.
Obviously he'd be better than McLeish but as John says, that doesn't automatically mean he should be given time of day.
I don't think that anybody was necessarily saying he was, just that at £400,000 pa he's quite cheap, especially when compared to McLeish.
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I'll do it for £40K.
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McLiesh has got to be pretty thick skinned to sit there through 90 mins of discontent
Is '90 minutes of discontent' likely to be a helpful atmosphere to help us beat Chelsea on Saturday?
Dave, where not a philanthropic institute, whereby we turn up with some kind of benevolent mantra in order to say "come on chaps" "for king and country" we're all behind you, do you seriously believe that Chelsea are going to turn up in a giving mood, if Chelsea still have a backbone they are going to go after this like a rabid dog, they have players starting to hit form, Torres is on the way back, Villa are all but safe, we probably need another win and that should seal it but i genuinely don't think that Chelsea will roll over and let us have that, and I don't think we have the team anyway to take 3 points off Chelsea.
We will have the chance to get the required points and that will do us, surely what we have to do now is think on, think of next season and if we do that and show a bit of ambition maybe we will keep a few of the players we should keep.
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Torres hitting form? 2 goals against a championship side (his only goals for 5 months) and we should suddenly give up and shit ourselves?
We don't have the team to beat them? I must have imagined the game at their place 3 months ago.
And I bet you think McLeish is defeatist.
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Torres hitting form? 2 goals against a championship side (his only goals for 5 months) and we should suddenly give up and shit ourselves?
We don't have the team to beat them? I must have imagined the game at their place 3 months ago.
And I bet you think McLeish is defeatist.
Torres is starting to show again I certainly don't want to tempt providence on that one, I don't think we have the team now to beat them, as in this coming game.
Do I think McLiesh is a defeatist, I don't think he understands the meaning of the word.
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Did you think we had the team to win there 3 months ago?
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McLiesh has got to be pretty thick skinned to sit there through 90 mins of discontent
Is '90 minutes of discontent' likely to be a helpful atmosphere to help us beat Chelsea on Saturday?
The thing is, as admirable as the support at all costs line is, it is taking it lying down IMO.
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McLiesh has got to be pretty thick skinned to sit there through 90 mins of discontent
Is '90 minutes of discontent' likely to be a helpful atmosphere to help us beat Chelsea on Saturday?
The thing is, as admirable as the support at all costs line is, it is taking it lying down IMO.
Ok so if not protesting is lying down, how many fans protests have actually achieved their goal? Not many green and yellow scarfs at OT nowadays.
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Next season worries me greatly.
Agreed. If he is in charge then we will be in mix for relegation, a lot more than this season.....we could go down.
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Problem is lee, 30k getting behind the team can be seen as simply accepting him.
No, as some ahve said, leave it till the summer when the Footy can not get affected.
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I think its going to take a long time to sink in with Lerner that people want him out now because of results rather than the blose thing. But then you can't really blame him for having that opinion when fuckwits demonstrate against the manager before the team has kicked a ball. Doh, facepalm etc...
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I think its going to take a long time to sink in with Lerner that people want him out now because of results rather than the blose thing. But then you can't really blame him for having that opinion when fuckwits demonstrate against the manager before the team has kicked a ball. Doh, facepalm etc...
Perhaps it needs a carefully worded letter?
Dear Mr. Lerner,
Please sack Alex McLeish because he is a shit manager and we deserve better.
Lots of love,
etc. etc. etc.
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I think its going to take a long time to sink in with Lerner that people want him out now because of results rather than the blose thing. But then you can't really blame him for having that opinion when fuckwits demonstrate against the manager before the team has kicked a ball. Doh, facepalm etc...
I agree greg completely, but I don't understand the stick for people protesting now. The team are paid millions and millions of pounds, and they have not been motivated enough or organised well enough with a squad well capable of being easily safe now. As it is we are 3 points from safety realistically, so this leaving it to the summer is going to achieve what? What is the message going to be? I think your suggestion is a pretty good one greg re the last game, but protesting before a game is not harmful IMO, the support in games this season has been bloody miraculous considering the standard of our home performances. At some point people stand up. The actions of the club had a decent bearing on me not renewing last summer, that was my decision with it all, but people doing it before the game are doing so because they care about what is happening to the club but have a different approach. I don't think either stance should be ridiculed by the other - we are all Villa fans at the end of the day.
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Well the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' fans were pretty successful in getting Hodgson out. I'm pretty sure hexwould have been given more time had they not been so vociferous
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they should set up one of those e-petitions on the Gov-site. If they all sign, then we'll see a "Is Mcleish shite?" debate in the House of Commons. Lerner will HAVE to listen then
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I think its going to take a long time to sink in with Lerner that people want him out now because of results rather than the blose thing. But then you can't really blame him for having that opinion when fuckwits demonstrate against the manager before the team has kicked a ball. Doh, facepalm etc...
I agree greg completely, but I don't understand the stick for people protesting now. The team are paid millions and millions of pounds, and they have not been motivated enough or organised well enough with a squad well capable of being easily safe now. As it is we are 3 points from safety realistically, so this leaving it to the summer is going to achieve what? What is the message going to be? I think your suggestion is a pretty good one greg re the last game, but protesting before a game is not harmful IMO, the support in games this season has been bloody miraculous considering the standard of our home performances. At some point people stand up. The actions of the club had a decent bearing on me not renewing last summer, that was my decision with it all, but people doing it before the game are doing so because they care about what is happening to the club but have a different approach. I don't think either stance should be ridiculed by the other - we are all Villa fans at the end of the day.
I'm not against anyone protesting about results/performances - its fair enough in my view. Don't think it will do any good currently but thats just my opinion.
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Next season worries me greatly.
Agreed. If he is in charge then we will be in mix for relegation, a lot more than this season.....we could go down.
At least Gentle Ben will have gone. Assuming we haven't offered him a bumper new deal, £40k a week and an unlimited supply of crisps.
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I think its going to take a long time to sink in with Lerner that people want him out now because of results rather than the blose thing. But then you can't really blame him for having that opinion when fuckwits demonstrate against the manager before the team has kicked a ball. Doh, facepalm etc...
I agree greg completely, but I don't understand the stick for people protesting now. The team are paid millions and millions of pounds, and they have not been motivated enough or organised well enough with a squad well capable of being easily safe now. As it is we are 3 points from safety realistically, so this leaving it to the summer is going to achieve what? What is the message going to be? I think your suggestion is a pretty good one greg re the last game, but protesting before a game is not harmful IMO, the support in games this season has been bloody miraculous considering the standard of our home performances. At some point people stand up. The actions of the club had a decent bearing on me not renewing last summer, that was my decision with it all, but people doing it before the game are doing so because they care about what is happening to the club but have a different approach. I don't think either stance should be ridiculed by the other - we are all Villa fans at the end of the day.
totaly agree ozzjim,
the posters who are ridiculing the protesters and taking some sort of moral high ground are some of the very same ones that are banging on about Mcliesh night and day on here, saying he's going to take us down this season or next, and is absolutly useless untill we get rid we cant move forward.
then as soon as someone forms a protest it 'a pointless excersise' 'making fools of themselves' etc, its the hight of hypocrisy in my view.
i'm 50 year old. i wont be protesting, but i wont criticise those that do,
its a bit like Brigada, i'm to old to be making banners and waving flags so i wont be joining them but i support what they are trying to do.
as for those saying lets wait till the summer, how will that work then ? no one will be going anywhere near VP for a few months, if you really want Mcliesh out then you will have to make your voices heard between now and the end of the season.
as the politicians would say - put up or shut up
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As said, the last home game is the time for protest as long as we are safe by then. A sit in after the game?
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The last one was both pointless and embarrassing so why bother again? People need to understand that Lerner will not sack Eck, regardless...we simply can't afford to; it won't happen. More importantly, shouldn't we all be giving the team our support in such difficult times? Isn't that what supporters do?
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The last one was both pointless and embarrassing so why bother again? People need to understand that Lerner will not sack Eck, regardless...we simply can't afford to; it won't happen. More importantly, shouldn't we all be giving the team our support in such difficult times? Isn't that what supporters do?
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
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How many supporter protests have ever worked?
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The last one was both pointless and embarrassing so why bother again? People need to understand that Lerner will not sack Eck, regardless...we simply can't afford to; it won't happen. More importantly, shouldn't we all be giving the team our support in such difficult times? Isn't that what supporters do?
What if we apply enough pressure with protests to force them to sack McLeish, then we get a better manager and results improve? Maybe sometimes the best way to support the club is to demand change? How many times this season have we backed the team at Villa Park and seen atrocious performances? There were no protests before the Swansea game but that didn't stop us from being absolutely terrible. Plan A was back him and hope for the best, now for me we're onto Plan B, force the club to get rid no matter what it takes.
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http://youtu.be/ivLMbrNzbWE
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I think the 8000 missing supporters from a couple of years ago should be more of a point than the 100 or so hanging around outside protesting on Saturday.
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30,000 supporting our team would be better. Why does everyone have to have the same opinion as you?
You can have 130,000 fans supporting the team, it will make no difference whatsoever as to the result or as to the status of the team and the appalling white flag negative football we are playing, we may not all agree totally on the minor details of the points raised but one thing is patently obvious, change has to be made and its becoming obvious that its going to be down to the fans to push that through.
For me it very very simple, there is right and there is wrong and McLiesh is wrong for Villa, anybody can have the opinion that McLiesh can stay, no problem with that, providing they don't mind seeing the inevitable decline of the club under his management, all Villa fans I know detest the football and detest the way the club is going.
If anyone wants to support the team/club, then look beyond what you may think is the case and see what is actually happening, the right way to support the club is for the overall good of the football club and its future, it may not be something you agree with now, but this time next season you will if McLiesh is still in charge.
The hard cold facts are (as backed up by the latest published accounts) we have paid millions in settling ex managers contracts, these figures didn't include paying the shite for Mc, he aint going anywhere short term, we are saddled with him for now.
Who knows what might happen when we lose heskeys wages etc and he brings in more frees (which were derided when he told us that is what we would be doing) hopefully of the quality of Holman.
Let's use the hot air on singing the team to victory over the russians on saturday and give doug another day to remember !
UTV
VTWD
"with 110% effort and and application of the players and your usual magnificent vocal backing we can get the right result"
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I symathise with the protest but I think the timing is wrong, as many have said on here, if you waited till the last game I think a lot more would join in, the only thing that will have an impact will be ST sales.
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How many supporter protests have ever worked?
From my memory in the last 10-15 years, once the fans stop backing the manager and start calling for his head it is not that long before they get the boot. That is all that is happening, and right now quite rightly. If I was doing an equivalently bad job in my workplace I would be being performance managed to dismissal by now. Clubs need to put clauses into contract about league positions and failing to garner certain number of points to allow sacking without stupid amounts of compensation being paid to multi millionaires and their agents. If that is the only think stopping us giving him the boot then be more stringent in the way that you structure the contract in the first place. For all the money the clubs have and don't have, it amazes me how lax they are in basic contract management structure and skill.
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i remember doug saying "its not the chairman who sacks the manager , its the fans"- once the protests start to really be noticed then one would hope the chairman takes action but sadly in our case we have a chairman/owner who is absent.
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i remember doug saying "its not the chairman who sacks the manager , its the fans"- once the protests start to really be noticed then one would hope the chairman takes action but sadly in our case we have a chairman/owner who is absent.
There lies the difference.
Not only is he not around, but supporters of his American football team will tell you how adept he is at burying his head in the sand.
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People need to understand that Lerner will not sack Eck, regardless...we simply can't afford to; it won't happen.
Another way of looking at it is, can we afford not to?
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I can see some supporter running over to the bench , ripping up his season ticket and throwing it on the floor in front of McLeish . Probably on the last home game thou ;)
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They would do well to rip up a season ticket. Its made of plastic.
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How many supporter protests have ever worked?
From my memory in the last 10-15 years, once the fans stop backing the manager and start calling for his head it is not that long before they get the boot. That is all that is happening, and right now quite rightly. If I was doing an equivalently bad job in my workplace I would be being performance managed to dismissal by now. Clubs need to put clauses into contract about league positions and failing to garner certain number of points to allow sacking without stupid amounts of compensation being paid to multi millionaires and their agents. If that is the only think stopping us giving him the boot then be more stringent in the way that you structure the contract in the first place. For all the money the clubs have and don't have, it amazes me how lax they are in basic contract management structure and skill.
It really depends on what you mean by "worked". Nobody's ever going to come out and admit that they were influenced by a supporters' demonstration, but as a way of letting the owner know what they think of his dire managerial appointment, it's an effective means.
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No matter what I say on here, I just know that I'll end up eating a balti pie watching the 45 protesters dance around with their homemade 'McLeish out!' placards.
As much as I think we need to get rid of Big Feck to move the club forwards, I'm firmly in the group that thinks these things are best left to the summer. For the next few months we need to get behind the team to ensure we're playing Premier League football next year. Once we've guaranteed that, I'll happily get involved in these shenanigans.
How difficult is that to understand?
Well I don't get it. I don't understand why people think you can't both get behind the team and protest about the manager and the owner. They aren't mutually exclusive. Especially if protests are outside the ground before and after the game. What effect is that going to have on our performances and results, and how? And what are you going to do in the Summer exactly?
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I think it's interesting how this thread has developed since the last time a protest was planned.
Then, the organiser's and potential protesters were called wankers and all sorts. We has subsequent threads called 'not in my name' and all sorts of indignation.
Now, I don't think the protest will have an effect or that there will there be a great turnout, but the attitude on here does seem to have 'mellowed' towards it.
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Plenty of protests have had an effect. I witnessed some of the Norwich "Chase out" protests years ago, which eventually forced him out. Our own fans even achieved something by protesting once upon a time.
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They would do well to rip up a season ticket. Its made of plastic.
It would be fun to watch.....
Altenratively, take the season ticket and cut it up into pieces in front of the bench. Which wouldn't be so funny.
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They would do well to rip up a season ticket. Its made of plastic.
They would do well to rip up a season ticket. Its made of plastic.
bit like the team then
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If we get to the summer and are still in the PL then the heat will go off the club.
Apart from some pre season friendly games there will be little to attract any crowd / protest.
Thus we can assume that provided we don't go down then the manager will still be in place for the start of next season. How long he stays in place after the start of next season is anyone's guess.
I suppose it will come down to what the board think is acceptable for Aston Villa, is it mid - lower table / mid table or mid - upper table [I think we can discount a top 6 finish] one thing is certian the expectations of the support will not be the same as the board.
I have been in the no point in protesting camp, but I think that the last two seasons have been awful, both as far as the manager / team / performances and the running of the club has gone, so I have no issue with people who want to protest.
I think the owner needs to have a long look at how he has handled things and decide where we are going, I also think he needs to focus more on Aston Villa if we are going to have any chance of moving forward
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People saying protests work, using the redscouse protests about Hodgson was it down to the protests or his record as manager? Most protests about managers coincide with poor form so it's difficult to tell if the protest or the results get the manager axed.
A big problem now is if Randy has been taking note of Venkys and Blackburn they basically ignored the fans and Kean has seemingly turn the ship around.
I personally don't want Mcleish but don't seeing that protesting is the right way to go, I can understand people wanting to do something but is this a case of doing something because they cant think of a better idea?
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MONS IX I'd hardly say being a bit better than the bottom four clubs means Kean has turned Blackburn around.
Can you think of any better ideas than a protest? The alternative seems to be to get behind the team. I can only imagine the message the owners would get from that, if they are even listenign at all, is that everyone is happy and everything is tickety boo. To me it's the equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns.
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The trouble with the 'protest outside, support inside' idea is that just about every protestor I've known has taken their miseryarsedness into the ground and been the first to moan at kick-off. It also means that the game gets overshadowed by the event. What's wrong with just getting behind the team? The manager isn't going anywhere so it's wasted energy.
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I think it's interesting how this thread has developed since the last time a protest was planned.
Then, the organiser's and potential protesters were called wankers and all sorts. We has subsequent threads called 'not in my name' and all sorts of indignation.
Now, I don't think the protest will have an effect or that there will there be a great turnout, but the attitude on here does seem to have 'mellowed' towards it.
Most assuredly 'Wankers' and most definitely ' Not in my name ' ..............satisified now ?! ..........Godzvilla ! ( a proud and supportive Villan , I like to think ) .
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MONS IX I'd hardly say being a bit better than the bottom four clubs means Kean has turned Blackburn around.
Can you think of any better ideas than a protest? The alternative seems to be to get behind the team. I can only imagine the message the owners would get from that, if they are even listenign at all, is that everyone is happy and everything is tickety boo. To me it's the equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns.
Bottom at Xmas to 3 points above the drop is a turn around in my view.
I think protests as soon as the season is done not before or during games. Randy and his lapdog of a CEO will take more notice of 500/1000 people turning up to VP when there's not a game on compared to a few people hanging around the McGregor statue shouting a few obscenities before paying for tickets, programme and refreshments.
A big demo on the 26th of May the 30th anniversary of our greatest triumph might hammer the point home.
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The manager isn't going anywhere so it's wasted energy.
Did we consider all those years of 'Ellis-Out' protests a waste of energy? H&V was at the forefront of that.
I can still remember when we voted Ellis off the board on a show of hands, we were all delighted and I even remember a certain editor doing a kicking heals together jig. Even though we knew we had only scored a small extremely time limited victory it didnt seem to be a waste of energy.
So maybe RL will take notice if a large number of people attend.
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The trouble with the 'protest outside, support inside' idea is that just about every protestor I've known has taken their miseryarsedness into the ground and been the first to moan at kick-off. It also means that the game gets overshadowed by the event. What's wrong with just getting behind the team? The manager isn't going anywhere so it's wasted energy.
Difficult to say if the protesters you have known is a representative sample. And from what I've seen and heard there's plenty of people moaning about the rubbish being served up at every game, protest or no protest. What's wrong with just supporting the team is exactly as I've said above, it will give the owners and everyone else the message that everything is fine, supporters are happy little bunnies, who will still turn up and wave their flags and scarves whatever garbage is thrown at them. I'm struggling to envisage how getting behind the team is going to turn Heskey into a midfielder, or even a striker that can score occasionally, how it's going to stop Warnock playing like a headless chicken, and mostly how it's going to overcome tactics of camping in your own half and playing for a narrow defeat at home.
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I've known the leading lights of just about every protest from 1968 onwards, and the veterans of the older ones are a million miles removed from tomorrow's lot. Meanwhile, what you're saying is heading down the road of "You're not a real supporter if you don't protest."
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As much as I don't like McLeish and would be happy to see the back of him I will never join such an action that does nothing other than bring shame to the great name of Aston Villa and makes us fans look small time idiots.
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I don't get this wait until the season is over bit, the season is over, the only catastrophe that befall the club now is that we go on a breathtaking losing streak and the teams below us go on an even more breathtaking winning streak, neither of which is going to happen.
We will survive and we will get the required points even if its marginally, surely this protest at the game tomorrow is about McLiesh, that's it, its about fans that pay good money to support the club that have a vested interest in the club saying that's enough and we don't want to go through another season of this crap, its not about McLiesh coming from Blues or anywhere else, its about boring crap football, probably worst in the Premiership, club is fast becoming a joke to fans of other clubs, we will lose players.
I fully intend to go to this and in my way I will participate in any protest that I consider measured and constructive in achieving a goal hopefully, if I get there and find its a bunch of yobs just venting there anger because the Pasties have gone up in price I have no interest whatsoever, and if this brings about change for the good it will be down to fans like this that all of us internet supporting wizards that will enjoy (hopefully) good football next season, certainly won't be anything else.
So as for people saying won't achieve anything and load of crap, I would rather try than sit on my dairy air and then coming on the various boards after we have put in another shite display tomorrow complaining like hell what a crap team and how McLiesh has got it wrong yet again which actually achieves absolutely nothing in terms of the club, in terms of getting it of your chest is about the only merit it has.
If people want to go and protest good for them, if they do it in a positive organized but firm manner, double good for them, equally if someone wants to protest there tomorrow holding high is message board saying "McLiesh should be given a chance" than bloody well done him" that's his opinion, its not mine and I can't look at Villa yet again for another season putting out all this crap again.
Having said all that, as I'm coming a very long way i up to phuk Villa put in a scintillating display and beat the pants of Chelsea.
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As much as I don't like McLeish and would be happy to see the back of him I will never join such an action that does nothing other than bring shame to the great name of Aston Villa and makes us fans look small time idiots.
And us hiring McLeish and the dwindling attendances don't?
We've become a laughing stock, so much so opposition fans seem to take p[ity on us. Showing the club how you really, is surely better than just turning up in silence and watching over a shower of sh** every week. The atmosphere now at VP is non-existent,and we're only going one way, down.
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As much as I don't like McLeish and would be happy to see the back of him I will never join such an action that does nothing other than bring shame to the great name of Aston Villa and makes us fans look small time idiots.
And us hiring McLeish and the dwindling attendances don't?
We've become a laughing stock, so much so opposition fans seem to take p[ity on us. Showing the club how you really, is surely better than just turning up in silence and watching over a shower of sh** every week. The atmosphere now at VP is non-existent,and we're only going one way, down.
A good positive first post. That's what I like.
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To mark the Easter festivities, how about pelting McLeish with creme eggs?
Shouldn't be difficult to smuggle into the Trinity.
Or if RL is in town, something tasteful like burning the US flag and making cutthroat gestures to the posh seats.
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Or if RL is in town, something tasteful like burning the US flag and making cutthroat gestures to the posh seats.
I bet the won't be.
He's probably got something more important to do with his time - a Wire box set to watch or something.
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As much as I don't like McLeish and would be happy to see the back of him I will never join such an action that does nothing other than bring shame to the great name of Aston Villa and makes us fans look small time idiots.
And us hiring McLeish and the dwindling attendances don't?
We've become a laughing stock, so much so opposition fans seem to take p[ity on us. Showing the club how you really, is surely better than just turning up in silence and watching over a shower of sh** every week. The atmosphere now at VP is non-existent,and we're only going one way, down.
A good positive first post. That's what I like.
Haha I know, I've been registered for ages, but just never posted, usually post on VT. I believe I'm right though.
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Well he did have £18 million Greg, not a million miles off that.
True, it would be ambitious in the extreme to think we could plug all the gaps with that. Both the defensive shortcomings that were so evident last year and replacing Young and Downing (if he didn't feel the creative players he already had on the books were up to the job).
I'd have been content enough if we'd just made progress correcting one of those problem areas this season. But we haven't. We're still suspect at the back, we don't create many chances and he's somehow managed to turn a £24 million pound England international into Cameron Jerome.
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I'd have been content enough if we'd just made progress correcting one of those problem areas this season. But we haven't. We're still suspect at the back, we don't create many chances and he's somehow managed to turn a £24 million pound England international into Cameron Jerome.
This is absolutely disgraceful. He scored shit loads for everyone including Charlton FFS. It is cleary the tactics and training. I will not attend a game till McLeich has gone.
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There is only one way that anyone at the club will take notice of the discontent and that is by not attending the games, otherwise they don't give a shit!
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To mark the Easter festivities, how about pelting McLeish with creme eggs?
Without Dunne to intercept them they'd do some damage.
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The trouble with the 'protest outside, support inside' idea is that just about every protestor I've known has taken their miseryarsedness into the ground and been the first to moan at kick-off. It also means that the game gets overshadowed by the event. What's wrong with just getting behind the team? The manager isn't going anywhere so it's wasted energy.
You could just as easily say that some of the brilliant support from the fans (especially away) has been wasted energy if you go down that route.
The end result of an action isn't always directly measurable, and in any case, if people are standing up for something they believe in, then that isn't a waste of energy.
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I believe I'm right though.
Everyone on the whole internet thinks they are right.
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Perhaps the protest could be postponed in light of our captain's plight? Footballing matters don't strike me as the most important display we, as fans, could make at the present time. I think more appropriate would be banners in support of Stan and making a huge noise inside VP.
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Totally agree Monty.
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Perhaps the protest could be postponed in light of our captain's plight? Footballing matters don't strike me as the most important display we, as fans, could make at the present time. I think more appropriate would be banners in support of Stan and making a huge noise inside VP.
Fully agree!
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Was just about to say the exact same thing. Hopefully this awful news might make them put a fucking lid on it for ten minutes.
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Perhaps the protest could be postponed in light of our captain's plight? Footballing matters don't strike me as the most important display we, as fans, could make at the present time. I think more appropriate would be banners in support of Stan and making a huge noise inside VP.
*Nods head*
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Whilst I fully agree with the protest, I think tomorrow is the wrong time in light of the news today.
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Perhaps the protest could be postponed in light of our captain's plight? Footballing matters don't strike me as the most important display we, as fans, could make at the present time. I think more appropriate would be banners in support of Stan and making a huge noise inside VP.
*Nods head*
Shouldn't even be considered.
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Perhaps the protest could be postponed in light of our captain's plight? Footballing matters don't strike me as the most important display we, as fans, could make at the present time. I think more appropriate would be banners in support of Stan and making a huge noise inside VP.
Spot on Monty.
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Perhaps the protest could be postponed in light of our captain's plight? Footballing matters don't strike me as the most important display we, as fans, could make at the present time. I think more appropriate would be banners in support of Stan and making a huge noise inside VP.
Totally Agree. Some things are more important.
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They've called it off on Twitter.
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They've called it off on Twitter.
Hope thats right.
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They've called it off on Twitter.
It was the only option really.
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Perhaps the protest could be postponed in light of our captain's plight? Footballing matters don't strike me as the most important display we, as fans, could make at the present time. I think more appropriate would be banners in support of Stan and making a huge noise inside VP.
Totally Agree. Some things are more important.
Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
Will others, that's the point I'm making, and if there is any doubt that the protest could still go ahead then the game should be called of, think about it this has been just announced on the eve of the game.
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The shitness of our club has to be put aside for now.
Let's get behind the team and show our support and affection for Stan, the Country's media will be watching, let's show them what a real football club is all about.
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Surely a reason to get down there and back the rest of the lads in this tough time and help them get a result for Stan.
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
Will others, that's the point I'm making, and if there is any doubt that the protest could still go ahead then the game should be called of, think about it this has been just announced on the eve of the game.
I'm sure everyone there will be supporting Stan and the team. The result of a football match is of utter insignificance when compared to the importance of a community getting out there to give support to one having a tough time.
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Well said Fletch.
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Let's get behind the team and show our support and affection for Stan, the Country's media will be watching, let's show them what a real football club is all about.
Spot on, Fletch.
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
Will others, that's the point I'm making, and if there is any doubt that the protest could still go ahead then the game should be called of, think about it this has been just announced on the eve of the game.
You're not suggesting that the club chose to announce this today to distract from the protest are you?
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The shitness of our club has to be put aside for now.
Let's get behind the team and show our support and affection for Stan, the Country's media will be watching, let's show them what a real football club is all about.
Love it!! News like this puts things back into perspective. Tomorrow is for Stan
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
Will others, that's the point I'm making, and if there is any doubt that the protest could still go ahead then the game should be called of, think about it this has been just announced on the eve of the game.
You're not suggesting that the club chose to announce this today to distract from the protest are you?
Bitter and twisted. Come on Villanation rise above it just for one day.
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Personally if you can't put it behind you for our captain maybe you should stay the fuck away for good!
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A Stan Petrov support banner instead of some pointless anti-McLeish banner would be so much more powerful tomorrow against Chelsea.
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A Stan Petrov support banner instead of some pointless anti-McLeish banner would be so much more powerful tomorrow against Chelsea.
Managers come and go, succeed or fail, leave dynasties or messes behind them, but the football club carries on. It's time to show everybody, and particularly Stan, that we at this club are made of stronger stuff.
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
Will others, that's the point I'm making, and if there is any doubt that the protest could still go ahead then the game should be called of, think about it this has been just announced on the eve of the game.
You're not suggesting that the club chose to announce this today to distract from the protest are you?
Fuck me Risso, that's exactly what he is suggesting. He probably thinks Petrov will come out of a cake at half time and tell everyone it was a joke and to visit the club shop on the way home. What an insensitive moron.
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The media will focus on Villa Park tomorrow ....lets show the support for the Club to country ...currently Villa is seen as a totally divided club - lets get behind stan and the team tomorrow.
Anyone who wishes to take protests just stay away - this is not the time
Lets ensure we are the 12th man tomorrow and get the 3 points we need - I'm sure thats the best treatment for Stan for starters
Get well Stan you have been a credit to yourself and the Club despite the many moaners - 3 points Saturday !
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
Will others, that's the point I'm making, and if there is any doubt that the protest could still go ahead then the game should be called of, think about it this has been just announced on the eve of the game.
You're not suggesting that the club chose to announce this today to distract from the protest are you?
Fuck me Risso, that's exactly what he is suggesting. He probably thinks Petrov will come out of a cake at half time and tell everyone it was a joke and to visit the club shop on the way home. What an insensitive moron.
Well, I hoped I was misreading it, disappointing that somebody could hold that view.
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
Will others, that's the point I'm making, and if there is any doubt that the protest could still go ahead then the game should be called of, think about it this has been just announced on the eve of the game.
You're not suggesting that the club chose to announce this today to distract from the protest are you?
Fuck me Risso, that's exactly what he is suggesting. He probably thinks Petrov will come out of a cake at half time and tell everyone it was a joke and to visit the club shop on the way home. What an insensitive moron.
In fairness, while I think the majority of his posts are complete jokes and the fact he won't go tomorrow to support Stan or Villa is disgraceful. What I think he means is will others choose not to protest, or will the braindead few carry on regardless?
And the comment about the eve of the game is because it's so close will everyone who was planning to protest know that's it's been called off.
That's my interpretation anyway.
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The anti-McLeish protests are irrelevant tomorrow. McLeish can wait for another day.
We are up against a rejuvenated Chelsea, and 6-7 of our own youth players will probably be starting. They'll be trying to get a result for Stan, we should be supporting them with everything we've got in our lungs.
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Perhaps the protest could be postponed in light of our captain's plight? Footballing matters don't strike me as the most important display we, as fans, could make at the present time. I think more appropriate would be banners in support of Stan and making a huge noise inside VP.
Well said.
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Let's get behind the team and show our support and affection for Stan, the Country's media will be watching, let's show them what a real football club is all about.
Spot on, Fletch.
Quite right.
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Let's get behind the team and show our support and affection for Stan, the Country's media will be watching, let's show them what a real football club is all about.
Spot on, Fletch.
Quite right.
Amen
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The shitness of our club has to be put aside for now.
Let's get behind the team and show our support and affection for Stan, the Country's media will be watching, let's show them what a real football club is all about.
Well said, Fletch.
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
Will others, that's the point I'm making, and if there is any doubt that the protest could still go ahead then the game should be called of, think about it this has been just announced on the eve of the game.
You're not suggesting that the club chose to announce this today to distract from the protest are you?
Fuck me Risso, that's exactly what he is suggesting. He probably thinks Petrov will come out of a cake at half time and tell everyone it was a joke and to visit the club shop on the way home. What an insensitive moron.
I must be reading it differently, but my interpretation of it is that Villanation doesn't want to be around a potential atmosphere where some people are protesting (and are doing so because they haven't heard the news about stan as it was only announced on the eve of the game). I don't see him making up conspiracy theories.....
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Well I think I will rethink my attendance to the game now, don't think I will bother, very sad day.
So because you can't get to protest you're not going to bother going to the match?
No because I wouldn't want to be in that kind of potential atmosphere when one of the lads has got that kind of problem, very simple really.
In other words there should be no kind of protest at all and that was one of the primary reasons of me going, as for seeing Villa under McLiesh, not a chance in hell, wouldn't waste the money.
Could you not rise above these thoughts to show support for our captain ??
Will others, that's the point I'm making, and if there is any doubt that the protest could still go ahead then the game should be called of, think about it this has been just announced on the eve of the game.
You're not suggesting that the club chose to announce this today to distract from the protest are you?
Fuck me Risso, that's exactly what he is suggesting. He probably thinks Petrov will come out of a cake at half time and tell everyone it was a joke and to visit the club shop on the way home. What an insensitive moron.
I must be reading it differently, but my interpretation of it is that Villanation doesn't want to be around a potential atmosphere where some people are protesting (and are doing so because they haven't heard the news about stan as it was only announced on the eve of the game). I don't see him making up conspiracy theories.....
Ger: That's exactly my point, however as it happens latest is the protest have been called of, and quite rightly so and I'm up to the game in what should now be an appropriate atmosphere under the new circumstances we have.
Good to see someone actually bothers to read a post instead of jumping to conclusions or building all kinds of theories around something.
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A Stan Petrov support banner instead of some pointless anti-McLeish banner would be so much more powerful tomorrow against Chelsea.
Managers come and go, succeed or fail, leave dynasties or messes behind them, but the football club carries on. It's time to show everybody, and particularly Stan, that we at this club are made of stronger stuff.
Fully agree.
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The result of the game tomorrow is totally irrelevant. What we have is a chance to show the world of football what sort of football club Aston Villa is.
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I've known the leading lights of just about every protest from 1968 onwards, and the veterans of the older ones are a million miles removed from tomorrow's lot. Meanwhile, what you're saying is heading down the road of "You're not a real supporter if you don't protest."
Obviously inappropriate to protest or to get too worked up about it now but I think an accusation like that warrants a response.
Your last line there is an uncalled for cheap shot, and could equally be thrown right back at you because when you say things like "One thing I learned many years ago is that football supporters want to watch football. Nothing much else matters", then describe past protestors as a bunch of moaners, and dismiss tomorrow's lot as unworthy, it sounds very much like what you're saying is heading down the road of "you're not a real supporter if you do protest".
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I've known the leading lights of just about every protest from 1968 onwards, and the veterans of the older ones are a million miles removed from tomorrow's lot. Meanwhile, what you're saying is heading down the road of "You're not a real supporter if you don't protest."
Obviously inappropriate to protest or to get too worked up about it now but I think an accusation like that warrants a response.
Your last line there is an uncalled for cheap shot, and could equally be thrown right back at you because when you say things like "One thing I learned many years ago is that football supporters want to watch football. Nothing much else matters", then describe past protestors as a bunch of moaners, and dismiss tomorrow's lot as unworthy, it sounds very much like what you're saying is heading down the road of "you're not a real supporter if you do protest".
Read what I said again, and you'll see you're jumping to totally the wrong conclusion. I've known a lot of previous protestors. Some have been totally valid, and some have been for laughable reasons organised by self-publicists.
"What's wrong with just supporting the team is exactly as I've said above, it will give the owners and everyone else the message that everything is fine, supporters are happy little bunnies, who will still turn up and wave their flags and scarves whatever garbage is thrown at them" on the other hand, is proof that you are doing exactly what I said.
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I think what Dave is saying is that there are places and times for protests. The circumstances dictate the justification of the actions.
To have a protest about the removal of the manager at this time and under all the prevailing circumstances is not worthy of serious consideration.
I think Dave is perfectly entitled to suggest that those who want to go ahead and protest regardless of the justification of a protest are doing so for reasons other than what is best for the club at this time.
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After todays news, if you protest tomorrow, you are a first class ****** and entirely miss the point about what we are as a club.
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After todays news, if you protest tomorrow, you are a first class c*** and entirely miss the point about what we are as a club.
Seconded.
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I've known the leading lights of just about every protest from 1968 onwards, and the veterans of the older ones are a million miles removed from tomorrow's lot. Meanwhile, what you're saying is heading down the road of "You're not a real supporter if you don't protest."
Obviously inappropriate to protest or to get too worked up about it now but I think an accusation like that warrants a response.
Your last line there is an uncalled for cheap shot, and could equally be thrown right back at you because when you say things like "One thing I learned many years ago is that football supporters want to watch football. Nothing much else matters", then describe past protestors as a bunch of moaners, and dismiss tomorrow's lot as unworthy, it sounds very much like what you're saying is heading down the road of "you're not a real supporter if you do protest".
Read what I said again, and you'll see you're jumping to totally the wrong conclusion. I've known a lot of previous protestors. Some have been totally valid, and some have been for laughable reasons organised by self-publicists.
"What's wrong with just supporting the team is exactly as I've said above, it will give the owners and everyone else the message that everything is fine, supporters are happy little bunnies, who will still turn up and wave their flags and scarves whatever garbage is thrown at them" on the other hand, is proof that you are doing exactly what I said.
It's not proof of what you said at all Dave. You asked what was wrong with just supporting the team and I gave an answer. The “happy little bunnies” comment may have been a bit unnecessary but the point made was a perfectly valid one, that by just supporting the team the owners and manager simply would not get the message that a lot of supporters are pissed off and concerned and want some action. It may imply I believe that anti-protesters are misguided or naïve or plain wrong, but in no way does it equate to, or even hint at “you’re not a real fan if you don’t protest”, let alone prove it. Like I said a cheap shot.
As for what you said:
" just about every protestor I've known has taken their miseryarsedness into the ground and been the first to moan at kick-off."
"I've known the leading lights of just about every protest from 1968 onwards, and the veterans of the older ones are a million miles removed from tomorrow's lot."
So I’m not sure how I’ve “jumped to wrong conclusions” when I said you labelled protesters a bunch of moaners and that the latest lot are unworthy.
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Not read the thread but obviously, whether you think a protest is justified or not tomorrow clearly isn't the time for one.
I hope they don't make themselves and the Club look idiots so if people must protest then move it to another day. That is all.
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Not read the thread but obviously, whether you think a protest is justified or not tomorrow clearly isn't the time for one.
I hope they don't make themselves and the Club look idiots so if people must protest then move it to another day. That is all.
Agreed.
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Like the day we are mathematically safe from relegation so that a protest does not turn fear of relegation into reality.
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I'm certainly not suggesting a protest is appropriate now after the news re Petrov, that would be crass indeed. I'm merely responding to an unnecessary dig from earlier in the day and reiterating my defence of protest as a legitimate action per se. And I don't think there was anything wrong with the timing until subsequent news changed the picture.
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Like the day we are mathematically safe from relegation so that a protest does not turn fear of relegation into reality.
How does that work then Brian? No honestly, what is the causal, logical link that means a protest will lead to relegation? And if a butterfly flaps it's wings in Beijing will we get promoted again?
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The timing of the protest was inapropriate before the news about Stan, it is now ridiculous to even think about it.
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What's wrong with just supporting the team is exactly as I've said above, it will give the owners and everyone else the message that everything is fine, supporters are happy little bunnies, who will still turn up and wave their flags and scarves whatever garbage is thrown at them
But it's someone else making the 'cheap shots'.
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Can we simply stop this thread now until it becomes a possibility again. It has been rightly called off tomorrow, and discussing the value either way of it in light of the news today is simply pointless.
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Villa supporters have every right to protest, more power to them, but if there was ever a wrong time to do it Saturday would be it.
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Could we create a 'freezer' for completely inappropriate threads at any one time and put this one in?
Not completely killing them off, you understand, just, freezing at a point of complete inanity.
To be revived (defrosted) at the appropriate time.
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I think given the circumstances this one can be locked, at least for now.