Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 03:00:55 AM
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We all know managing is far more than just weekend team selections and pressers. Coordinating a training session is a rare skill, and who knows what really goes on behind closed doors. Having McLeish and Grant at the helm, I'm just asking what might you focus on for a day at Bodymoor.
For me, I'd start and end with corners every day. Can't stress that enough. Transitional play would also be a regular occurrence, with movement off the ball and stringing together a respectable possession over the half line being the ultimate goal. Seems simple, but looks impossible on the weekends..
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yesterday's laundry?
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Considering the poor quality of our crossing I'm not suprised that we haven't scored from corners or many headed goals.
Last season Albrighton's crossing was pretty good, this season he's probably on 1 out of 10 crosses is a good one. I can't recall N'Zogbia putting one over in open play. I accept he may have done but I certainly don't recall it!
What chance have we got when our wingers can't cross a ball?
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I'd put Mcleish in one of those big metal wheelie bins and bash him around..Just for a laugh like
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I'd get McLeish cooking up the Pasta, and Grant can stir the big fuck off cooking pot with the pasta sauce in.
Then I'd let Cowans and Kev Mac take the training session. This way there might be some improvement on the pitch.
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I would concentrate on closing down the opposition when they have the ball and passing from the back.
I still don't understand why we let the opposition have so much time on the ball, instead we just get deeper and deeper until a mistake is bound to happen costing a goal.
Then when we do get the ball at the back at some point we just hoof it back which starts the whole process again.
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I would concentrate on closing down the opposition when they have the ball and passing from the back.
I still don't understand why we let the opposition have so much time on the ball, instead we just get deeper and deeper until a mistake is bound to happen costing a goal.
Then when we do get the ball at the back at some point we just hoof it back which starts the whole process again.
You beat me to it. Id get the team to start 10 yards or so further up the pitch.
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Hopefully Heskey will have finished plastering the wall in the canteen area. If he gets his proper job done during the week I understand he gets to have a game of football with some real footballers on a weekend, he did such a good job fixing the showers last week that they took him to London for a kickabout.
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Somebody dropped a triple header in trap 3 of the Bodymoor khazis, it's got Heskey's name written all over it.
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I'd bring in my patented "electro-training". Anyone who misplaces a pass, hoofs it aimlessly up field or puts in a cross that doesn't reach the penatly area will be Tasered. I guarantee we'd see a improvement in our possession and passing on match days although initially we may struggle to field a side that doesn't glow in the dark.
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I'd let James Collins sweep up, but we've seen that he's obviously not very good at that....
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Make sure McLeish is kept away?
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The players should have a light session and be sat down in the sun and reminded that the team we're playing next are the only big club that can say we're they're bogey team, and we've already drilled them once this season.
Also, that we did this by working like bastards to get behind the ball, which kills Chelsea, and keeping it on the deck when we got it, and thus giving our players with ability time to get into positions to hurt them.
Whilst all this is going on, Emile could pulling the roller and Weimann can be told that he will have the shirt for the rest of the season as a reward for working hard and taking an opportunity.
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"what should have gotten done"
I don't even understand what that means
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"what should have gotten done"
I don't even understand what that means
Isn't Gotten Done one of our new Bosmans?
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Isn't Gotten Done one of our new Bosmans?
Richard's brother?
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Isn't Gotten Done one of our new Bosmans?
Richard's brother?
I often shout Gotten Himmel when I'm watching Dunne. (and 'Fat c.unt' as well)
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Think the problem with training the team how to defend and attack corners is pretty simple. We don't seem to have anyone that can actually deliver one properly.
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"what should have gotten done"
I don't even understand what that means
You're not from round these rootin', tootin' parts are you cowboy?
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"what should have gotten done"
I don't even understand what that means
You're not from round these rootin', tootin' parts are you cowboy?
And he called my pint a puff.
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I never played to any great level myself, but I do remember one session where we just played a training match and the manager blew a whistle, meaning we all stopped where we were. He then pointed out where we should be in relation to how the game was developing, both when attacking and defending, so we learnt some good movement from that and improved individually and collectively.
It literally is school boy stuff, but maybe that's what we need - a 'back to basics' approach?
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"what should have gotten done"
I don't even understand what that means
You're not from round these rootin', tootin' parts are you cowboy?
And he called my pint a puff.
And i'm calling your pint a half...of lager shandy.
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I would have them perfecting there crossing skills so we can have more chances in front of goal.
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There are many excellent training methods which would improve us. Sadly, anything that will needs to be done over time, the course of a couple of months at least before we see any improvement.
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There are many excellent training methods which would improve us. Sadly, anything that will needs to be done over time, the course of a couple of months at least before we see any improvement.
Not sure I totally agree with the argument that new training methods will take time to improve results on the pitch.
When clubs get a new manager they can often have an instant impact on performances.
Hate to say it, but the sort of thing that O'Neill did when he went to Sunderland or DiCanio at Swindon.
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I would concentrate on closing down the opposition when they have the ball and passing from the back.
I still don't understand why we let the opposition have so much time on the ball, instead we just get deeper and deeper until a mistake is bound to happen costing a goal.
Then when we do get the ball at the back at some point we just hoof it back which starts the whole process again.
You beat me to it. Id get the team to start 10 yards or so further up the pitch.
I know what you mean but with the slowness of our CBs, starting further up the pitch would be an even bigger disaster.
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What should Huttton have done at the Training Ground today? -
Well, practised covering the far post better and tracking back with his man: whilst his overall performances have improved since his early-season psycho-tackling phase, he has now decided to stop tracking players coming into the far post from behind him. Gibbs' goal was partly a consequence of that and there have been other, better, examples.
I'm pretty sure earlier on in the season several people on here commented on his poor positioning; and they're right.
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We should have given Heskey a banjo and made him practice in front of a cow's arse
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Team pressing and fitness training to allow them to do this for 90minutes...
That alongside sight tests as many of them can't distinguish claret from most other colours...
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Get Ivanhoe to run through the 3 minute warning drill, so that when Saturday 3pm comes, he is well used to taking himself off to the bunker. Then padlock the fucker for 90 minutes.
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Think the problem with training the team how to defend and attack corners is pretty simple. We don't seem to have anyone that can actually deliver one properly.
That fit's in nicely with my earlier comment on this thread.
I actually said the same thing as you, on a different thread, a few weeks ago too.
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There are many excellent training methods which would improve us. Sadly, anything that will needs to be done over time, the course of a couple of months at least before we see any improvement.
Not sure I totally agree with the argument that new training methods will take time to improve results on the pitch.
When clubs get a new manager they can often have an instant impact on performances.
Hate to say it, but the sort of thing that O'Neill did when he went to Sunderland or DiCanio at Swindon.
That's less of a technical training issue and more of a psychological thing. There was a very interesting Secret Footballer column recently about this, but I can't find it.
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Think the problem with training the team how to defend and attack corners is pretty simple. We don't seem to have anyone that can actually deliver one properly.
That fit's in nicely with my earlier comment on this thread.
I actually said the same thing as you, on a different thread, a few weeks ago too.
When we first signed Warnock he used to take a few - if i recall correctly, Dunne scored against Citeh with a header from an excellent Warnock corner. Of course if a player is a really good corner taker, what else would our manger do apart from have him hang around on the half way line instead? I'm sure we have players who are very capable of delivering excellent dead balls but as usual, this sort of thing doesn't ever appear to have been thought through.
We used to do very well with in-swinging corners but as soon as we changed to out-swinging kicks they became less effective even when Ashley Young was taking them. Of course it helps if you have a player who is committed to getting on the end of a ball like Martin Laursen.
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Warnock was always a bit rash when it came to flying into tackles - even from the start of his time with us and his good spell, in 2009. But he did have quality on the ball, decent close control and good pace.
I'm not blaming McLeish for how woeful he's become, as the process had started as far back as last season. Maybe even as far back as his return from injury in 2010, if we're honest.
But I do wonder how some of our defenders felt when they read what their manager said about them not being able to pass and play football, as I reckon both Warnock and Collins fancy themselves as ball playing defenders. Carlos and Hutton probably aren't so delusional, mind.
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What should have gotten done at the Training Ground today?
Manager 'So once again, this is how you play in an outfield formation of 5-5-0.
Player 'But Boss, what happens if the opposition score as we don't seem to know . . . ?'
Manager 'See you tomorrow lads.'
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Somebody dropped a triple header in trap 3 of the Bodymoor khazis, it's got Heskey's name written all over it.
Why, was it on the floor?
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What needs to happen is lots of fitness work and lots of work on moving as a unit (both in defence and attack). What the old style british managers tend to forget is that defending isn't all about tackling. One of the best defensive players to have played in the premier league was makelele, not a big guy, not overly strong in the tackle or remarkably quick but very good at filling gaps and blocking the simple pass.
The first thing to train for is getting the ball back and then keeping it. Once you've got that right defending becomes easier and finding space to cross or shoot becomes simpler. Things like corners, free kicks, etc can be handled later on but our problems stem from us not keeping the ball when we've got it and not being in any rush to get it back when we haven't got it.
A large number of the goals we concede are due to individual errors, we need to limit these by not having our defenders in so many situations where if they don't win theball the striker is through. The defence win far more of those than they lose but teams get so many chances like this that it only 1 to go there way and we've conceded another poor goal.