Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on March 26, 2012, 11:20:38 AM
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Well less words, anyway.
http://www.thebirminghampress.com/2012/03/26/tell-me-why-3/
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Well less words, anyway.
http://www.thebirminghampress.com/2012/03/26/tell-me-why-3/
His behaviour, tactics and selections are truly baffling. It's almost like he wants the fans to force the Chairman's hand, so that he gets the sack and gets a healthy pay out. His reputation wouldn't be damaged much either, because the media would claim the fans hounded him out unfairly due to his Blose connections. Call me cynical, but I don't think it's entirely unbelievable.
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Well less words, anyway.
http://www.thebirminghampress.com/2012/03/26/tell-me-why-3/
His behaviour, tactics and selections are truly baffling. It's almost like he wants the fans to force the Chairman's hand, so that he gets the sack and gets a healthy pay out. His reputation wouldn't be damaged much either, because the media would claim the fans hounded him out unfairly due to his Blose connections.
That's the way I see it too. He knows this will never go right for him so he may as well get a pay day out of it.
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Yes it is indeed baffling the negative way he goes about games, but even more baffling than that is Lerner's decision to appoint him when he must have known full well that he used the same tactics at The Blues.
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The problem is Randy doesn't really give a shit as long as we stay up.Problem is we may not even do that.Blues looked safe as houses this time last year with games in hand and then went into complete freefall.I can see us doing the same
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I find his post match comments more depressing than his style of football,which is saying something. You can count the good performances on one hand this season.
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Blues freefall had alot to do with Scott Dann's injury, an issue we shouldn't experience as we are not that reliant on a single player at the back.
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I think our own injury issues are a really worry.We have literally nobody who looks capable of scoring a goal at the moment Bent missing for us is just as bad as Scott Dann missing for them.Charles is apparently out for a month also
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Blues freefall had alot to do with Scott Dann's injury, an issue we shouldn't experience as we are not that reliant on a single player at the back.
Though our defence is so porous it could be argued that we were reliant on a single player up front - Bent.
However, I still don't think we'll get relegated. It's really not set in stone. As to why Eck is behaving the way he is? He no doubt believes the animosity towards him stems from the Blues connection, so therefore has never felt any challenge to his methods, outmoded and ineffective as they are.
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I think our own injury issues are a really worry.We have literally nobody who looks capable of scoring a goal at the moment Bent missing for us
Weimann looks a threat. More of a threat than Emile any way.
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Blues freefall had alot to do with Scott Dann's injury, an issue we shouldn't experience as we are not that reliant on a single player at the back.
There may be some truth in that, but they also spent the whole season earning themselves a reputation as an ambition-free embarassment, and it is this that we've seen for far too much of this season.
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I think our own injury issues are a really worry.We have literally nobody who looks capable of scoring a goal at the moment Bent missing for us
Weimann looks a threat. More of a threat than Emile any way.
I'd like to know what would be less of a threat than Ivanhoe?
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Blues freefall had alot to do with Scott Dann's injury, an issue we shouldn't experience as we are not that reliant on a single player at the back.
There may be some truth in that, but they also spent the whole season earning themselves a reputation as an ambition-free embarassment, and it is this that we've seen for far too much of this season.
I actually see a lot of similarities, especially in that they looked 'safe' at this stage of the season. We are definitely not safe, and I don't see where our next win is coming from.
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I could never see Blues getting relegated either I remember Alan Shearer saying they were safe on MOTD on 39 points Problem was they never won again and all the other teams around them did.The man has displayed he is incapable of motivating teams to battle when it matters but it's never his fault Got this off another forum
McLeish rues poor defending in Arsenal defeat.
On AVFC official site yesterday.
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish was disappointed by his side's 'comedy' defending after their 4-1 defeat at Manchester City.
Taken after a defeat at Manchester City in mid October.
Alex McLeish rues 'soft' Birmingham City defending but denies a nervy start against Fulham
Taken after SHA lost to Fulham in May 2011.
Alex McLeish was left to bemoan his side's defending in the 3-2 loss to Stoke.
Taken after SHA lost to Stoke in November 2010.
Anyone spot a theme ?
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I could never see Blues getting relegated either I remember Alan Shearer saying they were safe on MOTD on 39 points Problem was they never won again and all the other teams around them did.The man has displayed he is incapable of motivating teams to battle when it matters but it's never his fault Got this off another forum
McLeish rues poor defending in Arsenal defeat.
On AVFC official site yesterday.
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish was disappointed by his side's 'comedy' defending after their 4-1 defeat at Manchester City.
Taken after a defeat at Manchester City in mid October.
Alex McLeish rues 'soft' Birmingham City defending but denies a nervy start against Fulham
Taken after SHA lost to Fulham in May 2011.
Alex McLeish was left to bemoan his side's defending in the 3-2 loss to Stoke.
Taken after SHA lost to Stoke in November 2010.
Anyone spot a theme ?
It's true, the way he washes his hands of performances is absolutely beyond belief.
"Nothing I can do about it." Then what are you for?!
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I'll be genuinely surprised if we make it to 39 points, which is why I can very much see us going down. Also with the players available throughout the season it will be one of the worst managerial efforts ever if we do go down.
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Which is why Weimann should of started.His ''we can't play in front of Arsenal '' comment to me translates as '' Plan A is to hoof to Heskey ..plan B ..erm erm ..I won the league in Scotland you know ''
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His decisions are baffling why did he start with Heskey I will never understand McLeish's tactics I just hope against Chelsea he start's Weiman instead of Heskey.
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His decisions are baffling why did he start with Heskey I will never understand McLeish's tactics I just hope against Chelsea he start's Weiman instead of Heskey.
Prepare to be disappointed Darren
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We are in a horrible situation. The manager is just out of ideas and losing respect.
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Blues freefall had alot to do with Scott Dann's injury, an issue we shouldn't experience as we are not that reliant on a single player at the back.
Though our defence is so porous it could be argued that we were reliant on a single player up front - Bent.
This is a fair point. Wasn't it lack of vistories that relegated Blues last season, as opposed to the number of defeats?
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McLeish needs all the friends he can get, yet he seems to go out of his way to alienate and infuriate. If anyone’s got any idea why he behaves like he does, please tell me because I haven’t got a clue.
I would love McLeish to answer this.
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Like a good few on here i was not against him due to his connection with the comedy lot down the road (if it had worked then it would have been a right kick in the balls for them) But my concerns were raised when we tanked them 5-1 a few years ago. Although he did not dare claim that we were an "elite" club at the time he still angered Blues fans with comments like
"They have a different agenda to us"
"Difficult to compete with teams like that"
I will never forgive MON for what he petulantly did with our football club but the biggest difference between the 2 of them is that MON could take a pub team and get them playing above themselves, this clown could take Barcelona and turn them into a pub team
Reporter "Why did you take Messi off at half time?"
McTwat "He was not following my instructions and defending from the front as he should - all that effort up front scoring wonder goals might be fine, but what happens if the opposition get the ball - how do you defend high up the pitch"
"Thats why i am buying Emile Heskey - to show Messi how to be the complete defensive forward"
Completely out of his depth - has to go
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As the pressure intensifies, the more likely he is to say something disparaging about the supporters, then all hell will break loose.
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A mate text me on Saturday during the game and said 'Is he trying to get himself sacked'?
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Blues freefall had alot to do with Scott Dann's injury, an issue we shouldn't experience as we are not that reliant on a single player at the back.
Though our defence is so porous it could be argued that we were reliant on a single player up front - Bent.
This is a fair point. Wasn't it lack of vistories that relegated Blues last season, as opposed to the number of defeats?
Absolutely. You can draw every game, go a season unbeaten and get relegated on 38 points. Meanwhile, a team who wins half their games and loses the other half finishes in mid-table (even upper mid-table) on 57 points. While the rule is three points for a win and one for a draw, risky attacking football is tactically preferrable to dour defensive football, and McLeish's negativity is just indefensible.
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As the pressure intensifies, the more likely he is to say something disparaging about the supporters, then all hell will break loose.
And Randy will still do nothing
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It makes you wonder what the motivation is behind his choices / selections
He must hear the ironic cheers when Heskey is named on the bench or not in the squad
What on earth is in his mindset to think that the big useless lumox can offer anything but ridicule and ultimately uproar from supporters
Considering how much his stock will have burnt to ash with us after Blues releagtions etc - maybe there is a whiff of conspiracy here
They only support i have for that theory is that no normal manager would make such simple mistakes / negative tactics etc on such a regular basis
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It makes you wonder what the motivation is behind his choices / selections
to win nil nil, maybe?
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I notice he's bleating on about injuries just like he did in the latter half of the season with Blues One thing about Houllier we had the worst injury crisis last season in living memory and he never moaned,he just got on with it.
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I don't want to defend the guy at all, after his 'we were in it untill the third goal' line who could ? but... he wasn't at fault for the first goal was he, that was Given. He wasn't at fault for the second, that was Cuellar. Arsenal are, even when we were beating them in previous recent seasons, better than us and Saturday was overdue at that stadium. We can't win there every season.
It's still a complete and utter bag of shite of a season though. All I want is a Villa side that goes beyond mere professional performance:show a bit of passion and we'd be 100% behind you whatever the results. I hate this tame surrender to the top 6 and that's down to self motivation/belief in ones ability, not just what the manager says.
'Get into em and f*** em up' as we used to say .
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McLeish's biggest problem is that he seems to have no capacity to motivate or inspire players. He's obviously an intelligent guy, and we have some good players, (most of whom are playing well within their capabilities,) but if you cannot motivate the players it just doesn't matter a jot how good they are.
Say what you like about pubehead, for all the damage he did to our club, he consistently got the most out of some very average players.
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McLeish's biggest problem is that he seems to have no capacity to motivate or inspire players. He's obviously an intelligent guy,
I'm sorry, I actually think he's not that bright, tactically hopeless and helpless, totally devoid of ideas or originality, stuck in the past. In that regard, he's like a hell of a lot of British managers currently getting jobs all over the place.
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It doesn't matter what we think of McLeish, Sir Alex Ferguson likes him, so it doesn't matter....
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Once you start being compared to O'Leary, things are pretty bad.
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McLeish's biggest problem is that he seems to have no capacity to motivate or inspire players. He's obviously an intelligent guy,
I'm sorry, I actually think he's not that bright, tactically hopeless and helpless, totally devoid of ideas or originality, stuck in the past. In that regard, he's like a hell of a lot of British managers currently getting jobs all over the place.
Agreed, I'm not sure what kind of "obvious intelligence" is displayed by continually making the same stupid decisions that are guaranteed to rile the fans he is supposedly trying to win over. Stupid is as stupid does and what he does is monumentally stupid. And, as DW says, baffling.
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He might have been given an easier ride after performances and results like Man City, Spurs, Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal if we had achieved better performances and results against teams he might call 'non-elite'. I could take results like Saturday easier if we could manage to beat sides like Swansea, Everton and QPR at home for starters.
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Starting with heskey is just bonkers... If either of these clowns are here next year we are doomed... (* okay even more doomed *)
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McLeish's biggest problem is that he seems to have no capacity to motivate or inspire players. He's obviously an intelligent guy,
I'm sorry, I actually think he's not that bright, tactically hopeless and helpless, totally devoid of ideas or originality, stuck in the past. In that regard, he's like a hell of a lot of British managers currently getting jobs all over the place.
I have been struck by the blindingly obvious this afternoon - if AM can't do anything about the slump/dire football/morale/tactics etc when we are shit then he can't take any credit when we do play well (occasionally) can he?
Bet he'll try though when we get that gritty draw against Bolton...
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McLeish's biggest problem is that he seems to have no capacity to motivate or inspire players. He's obviously an intelligent guy,
I'm sorry, I actually think he's not that bright, tactically hopeless and helpless, totally devoid of ideas or originality, stuck in the past. In that regard, he's like a hell of a lot of British managers currently getting jobs all over the place.
I have been struck by the blindingly obvious this afternoon - if AM can't do anything about the slump/dire football/morale/tactics etc when we are shit then he can't take any credit when we do play well (occasionally) can he?
Bet he'll try though when we get that gritty draw against Bolton...
The 'slump' is all this season so far and his doing.
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As the pressure intensifies, the more likely he is to say something disparaging about the supporters, then all hell will break loose.
Yep. This is what I think will happen. At that point, I imagine the disconnect between fans and management will become irreconcilable.
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What pees me off is that all this was pretty predictable from the start .
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I saw AM on the lash last week with that other tactical genius Gordon Strachan in the Saxon Mill, probably swapping notes :(
Mrs W threatened me with death most horrible if I so much as looked at him funny, but it wound me up something rotten to see that twat laughing and joking without a care in the world
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Something which is becoming particularly alarming is his apparent inability to get the players to carry out his instructions. I don't think we've got the mass fallouts we had under Houllier but instead, it would appear a group who simply don't listen/respect/understand the what the manager is asking them to do which is even worse that the previous regime alienating players.
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I saw AM on the lash last week with that other tactical genius Gordon Strachan in the Saxon Mill, probably swapping notes :(
Mrs W threatened me with death most horrible if I so much as looked at him funny, but it wound me up something rotten to see that twat laughing and joking without a care in the world
I'd liked to have seen him sacked before he'd even been given a parking space but I dont suppose he's enjoying life much at the moment, I'm not going to knock him for a having a beer with a mate. I'd imagine the stress levels of management are horrendous and the bloke looks like he's aged 10 years in as many months.
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I saw AM on the lash last week with that other tactical genius Gordon Strachan in the Saxon Mill, probably swapping notes :(
Mrs W threatened me with death most horrible if I so much as looked at him funny, but it wound me up something rotten to see that twat laughing and joking without a care in the world
I'd liked to have seen him sacked before he'd even been given a parking space but I dont suppose he's enjoying life much at the moment, I'm not going to knock him for a having a beer with a mate. I'd imagine the stress levels of management are horrendous and the bloke looks like he's aged 10 years in as many months.
Yeah, I'd absolutely hate to endure those "stress levels" and would really struggle to enjoy life for a measly few million quid a year. For the money he's on you could sit me in a barrel of piss and throw turds at me all day and I'd still be smiling.