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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Fergal on March 24, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
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Sack this clown you have employed before it's too late. We may just scrape enough points to stay up this year but if you keep him we are doomed. He appears to have lost most of the fans and I feel sure he has lost the dressing room too. keep him and we will be lucky to stay up next year, what will happen to your balance sheet then?
Grow a pair, admit your mistake and take action.
I firmly believe you want what is best for this club and the manager is far from it.
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Sorry mate but he ain't listening.
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Yep,totally agree with the sentiment, but it's falling on deaf ears.
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Stop your messin around
Better think of the future
Time to straighten right out...
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Stop your messin around
Better think of the future
Time to straighten right out...
Must say that this was exactly my thoughts when I saw the thread title.
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The sad thing is I really bought into the belief that Randy cared for our club. I don't know how much day to day contact or control he has over what is going on. Seems like he has put us on the back burner.
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Stop your messin around
Better think of the future
Time to straighten right out...
Must say that this was exactly my thoughts when I saw the thread title.
And mine.
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The sad thing is I really bought into the belief that Randy cared for our club. I don't know how much day to day contact or control he has over what is going on. Seems like he has put us on the back burner.
He does not have day to day control because he is not here. You can not run a club or business from a distance. I doubt that he is aware of the kevel of discontent.
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The sad thing is I really bought into the belief that Randy cared for our club. I don't know how much day to day contact or control he has over what is going on. Seems like he has put us on the back burner.
At least he still has our crest on his ankle...
...though come to think of it I've never seen any proof of this.
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The sad thing is I really bought into the belief that Randy cared for our club. I don't know how much day to day contact or control he has over what is going on. Seems like he has put us on the back burner.
He cared enough to drop UKP 200 million on chasing the Champions League!
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I just think it's very clear that Mcleish will never succeed for Villa. I think most sensible fans gave him a chance and wanted him to succeed. However in reality he's too negative and our results are too poor, there's no point in continuing with this he has to go.
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Just wait to see the crowds next season at VP.
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Sorry mate but he ain't listening.
This
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My message to him would be to please start taking a real interest in the club again. Not just financial, but as a fan that only wants the club to do well on the pitch. We are in limbo right now. This season still hangs in the balance and with McLeish almost certain to be here next season, many fans are going to stay away.
Most rational fans are willing to give McLeish a chance, or at least have tried over the course of the past 9 or so months. However, the utterly moronic statements that he's made in the past few weeks defies any logic.
Mr Lerner, please put aside your other issues for a bit and give us your attention for a short while. You'll see things are a little worse than your people might have led you to believe.
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He's got a villa tattoo you know!!
Fuckin hopeless he don't give a toss because if I was chairman I'd be knocking on his door with a lot of questions, he got him in to work with a piss poor budget pure and simple
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I just think it's very clear that Mcleish will never succeed for Villa. I think most sensible fans gave him a chance and wanted him to succeed. However in reality he's too negative and our results are too poor, there's no point in continuing with this he has to go.
Totally agree. I haven't slagged off McLeish but I can't take the formation and the performances (not picking a team to win) much longer. I don't even look forward to or enjoy Villa games anymore. I used to hate weekends when Villa didn't play, last week was a relief, that says it all for me at the moment.
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Stop your messin around
Better think of the future
Time to straighten right out...
Must say that this was exactly my thoughts when I saw the thread title.
do you remember the good old days of M - O - N...
we dance and sang whilst the results came and oh hangon then -
der der der...
ECK!
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Stop your messin around
Better think of the future
Time to straighten right out...
that would sound brilliant asap chant. maybe suggest it to brigada ...
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Stop your messin around
Better think of the future
Time to sack this clown, before he takes us down .............
Randy - a message to you Randy, a message to you.............
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The sad thing is I really bought into the belief that Randy cared for our club. I don't know how much day to day contact or control he has over what is going on. Seems like he has put us on the back burner.
He cared enough to drop UKP 200 million on chasing the Champions League!
Indeed so why has he seemingly turned his back on us?
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Just wait to see the crowds next season at VP.
Yes, you're right - the club had the gall to send me my Season Ticket reminder this week....saying if I purchased it now that I could watch the same 'entertainment' at this season's price!! THere's no way I'll renew unless thing chage dramatically. Lerner is sleep walking us to the championship - last year we had the insurance of Bent's goals. I think we'll we'll end up on 36 points and be relegated.
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If anything comes from this thread then it could be a decent new chant for the games.
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Unlike the Cleveland Brown's, who finish bottom every season, I hope Randy realises that, if you finish bottom of THIS league, you DO actually get relegated. In fact, the bottom three go down. Villa are on such a downward spiral that I honestly don't think they'll be able to fight their way out of it if they get caught up by the Wigan's, Bolton's and Blackburns etc. Too good to go down!! My arse.
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Can you imagine the mess we'd be in if Weimann had'nt scrambled the ball home in the last 10 seconds against Fulham? It really dose'nt bear thinking about.
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If Pelty is reading, perhaps he could get the message to his old feller to pass on to Randy, assuming they're still on speaking terms.
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Can you imagine the mess we'd be in if Weimann had'nt scrambled the ball home in the last 10 seconds against Fulham? It really dose'nt bear thinking about.
Indeed. I think those thinking we are safe perhaps haven't taken into account the difficulty of our run in compared to others, and factored in Feck's tendency to surrender to the "elite". I looked at our last 10 fixtures at the start of the season and remember thinking I hope we're well clear of trouble by March otherwise we could be in deep shit. I think we'll be okay but it will be a lot closer than some seem to think.
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Lerner doesn't listen to Cleveland fans, so I doubt he'll give a flying fuck what we think.
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Lerner doesn't listen to Cleveland fans, so I doubt he'll give a flying fuck what we think.
At least he has a track record of sacking under achieving / useless coaches at the Browns. Problem is he replaces one with another. So even if he fucks McLeish off we'll probably get Megson, Reid or Souness.
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Lerner doesn't listen to Cleveland fans, so I doubt he'll give a flying fuck what we think.
At least he has a track record of sacking under achieving / useless coaches at the Browns. Problem is he replaces one with another. So even if he fucks McLeish off we'll probably get Megson, Reid or Souness.
I think the cretin would have another go at getting Martinez, failing that it would be Curbishley, as they pass the all important 'must have Premiership experience' criteria.
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it will be a lot closer than some seem to think.
It could be close. Blackburn, Bolton and Wigan are starting to pick points regularly. With Eck in charge, the key will be a sufficient number of draws. If we only win one more match this season, four draws will be enough to make 40 points.
Assuming that it's completely unrealistic to get points against the elite clubs Chelsea, Man Utd and Tottenham, then we need to get points in five of the six matches against Bolton, Liverpool*, Stoke, Sunderland, WBA and Norwich - and we need to win one of those matches. If we do that, we should be safe.
*Liverpool is surely not an elite club anymore, and also seem to be suffering from the post League Cup syndrome.
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Can you imagine the mess we'd be in if Weimann had'nt scrambled the ball home in the last 10 seconds against Fulham? It really dose'nt bear thinking about.
This. Those two points might well keep us up. That's why he celebrated like a nutter, he knew this too. I thought we were home and dry after that win but now I am not so sure.
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Has any manager taken teams down 3 times. Maybe AM is looking forward to a meeting with Norris.
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I remember thinking Small Heath had enough points to stay up last season , I was praying they would lose all the games and go down but my head was saying they just have enough to survive and look what happened. Dragged into it and got buried.
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My message to Randy is this: look at the three divisions below us. They're populated by clubs who had their snouts in the Premier League trough and then their owner made stupid decisions, including ridiculous managerial appointments. For many of those clubs, their fall from grace has been pretty spectacular - and a lot of them don't look like getting back any time soon. Take heed and get rid.
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Please sell, your toy has been broken by piss poor mis-management all round and you can't be bothered any more.If you cared about this great club and saw how we play and saw how its affecting all of the players and fans you would do the decent thing.
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My message to Randy is this: look at the three divisions below us. They're populated by clubs who had their snouts in the Premier League trough and then their owner made stupid decisions, including ridiculous managerial appointments. For many of those clubs, their fall from grace has been pretty spectacular - and a lot of them don't look like getting back any time soon. Take heed and get rid.
Sheffield Wednesday is the one that always comes to mind.
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My message to Randy is this: look at the three divisions below us. They're populated by clubs who had their snouts in the Premier League trough and then their owner made stupid decisions, including ridiculous managerial appointments. For many of those clubs, their fall from grace has been pretty spectacular - and a lot of them don't look like getting back any time soon. Take heed and get rid.
Sheffield Wednesday is the one that always comes to mind.
I'd also add Forest and - albeit it looks like they'll be back next year - Southampton. Leeds are a rather different case in point, but do prove the point that big clubs don't always bounce straight back,
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Just wait to see the crowds next season at VP.
Low 20,000s average I reckon. So sad.
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Randy Lerner you have made a huge fuck up, even someone with no clue can surely see that. Do not compound that fuck up by continuing with this idiot of a manager.
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Randy, who will you replace AM with - another dud? Or is Billy Bunter going to front the selction process? For me it all hinges on WHEN you sack AM and WHO you replace him with. Hurry up my patience is running out, along with my season ticket renewal.
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Lerner doesn't listen to Cleveland fans, so I doubt he'll give a flying fuck what we think.
At least he has a track record of sacking under achieving / useless coaches at the Browns. Problem is he replaces one with another. So even if he fucks McLeish off we'll probably get Megson, Reid or Souness.
I think the cretin would have another go at getting Martinez, failing that it would be Curbishley, as they pass the all important 'must have Premiership experience' criteria.
everybody would jump at getting hold of brendon rogers, but wasnt it martinez the one who bought this style of play to swansea and implemented it 5 years ago?
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we need to get shot of this Fool!!
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If I was you Randy, I would get on your plane and fly to France. I would tell Houllier that you want him back as DOF and to recommend an up and coming coach that he could groom for the future. Give him total control of football matters from top to bottom of the club and work with the very good coaches we have below the first team level.
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Sack this clown you have employed before it's too late. We may just scrape enough points to stay up this year but if you keep him we are doomed. He appears to have lost most of the fans and I feel sure he has lost the dressing room too. keep him and we will be lucky to stay up next year, what will happen to your balance sheet then?
Grow a pair, admit your mistake and take action.
I firmly believe you want what is best for this club and the manager is far from it.
Read this and you will see at the end the problem RL has - and this was written in December when the problem could have been dealt with less painfully than now.
http://footballspeak.com/post/2011/12/06/Are-you-City-in-disguise.aspx (http://footballspeak.com/post/2011/12/06/Are-you-City-in-disguise.aspx)
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My message to Randy.. "Shit, or get off the pot"
I don't expect us to compete with Man Utd or Man City, I can even see why we can't compete with Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea. What I can't accept is seeing Aston Villa below Norwich, Stoke, Fulham, Swansea and fuckin West Brom.
Oh, and take McLeish with you..
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My message to Randy.. "Shit, or get off the pot"
And to take his place will be?
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I'd keep my powder dry until the end of the season. If McLeish does take us down however, then the fans have to really start speaking up. In a sort of 'either he goes or we do' sort of manner.
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My message to Randy.. "Shit, or get off the pot"
And to take his place will be?
I have no idea
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I'd keep my powder dry until the end of the season. If McLeish does take us down however, then the fans have to really start speaking up. In a sort of 'either he goes or we do' sort of manner.
Some have already taken that option.
Some will be there next season regardless.
That has always been the way. Total hysteria at this stage will help nobody.
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I'd keep my powder dry until the end of the season. If McLeish does take us down however, then the fans have to really start speaking up. In a sort of 'either he goes or we do' sort of manner.
Some have already taken that option.
Some will be there next season regardless.
That has always been the way. Total hysteria at this stage will help nobody.
Psh, no ones helping me.. why should I care about Randy's toy?
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I'd keep my powder dry until the end of the season. If McLeish does take us down however, then the fans have to really start speaking up. In a sort of 'either he goes or
we do' sort of manner.
Some have already taken that option.
Some will be there next season regardless.
That has always been the way. Total hysteria at this stage will help nobody.
Psh, no ones helping me.. why should I care about Randy's toy?
It was our 'toy' before he came along and will be after he has gone.
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I'd keep my powder dry until the end of the season. If McLeish does take us down however, then the fans have to really start speaking up. In a sort of 'either he goes or
we do' sort of manner.
Some have already taken that option.
Some will be there next season regardless.
That has always been the way. Total hysteria at this stage will help nobody.
Psh, no ones helping me.. why should I care about Randy's toy?
It was our 'toy' before he came along and will be after he has gone.
Except we're not allowed to play with it, and we get to watch another child break it. It's not our toy Dave.
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I'd keep my powder dry until the end of the season. If McLeish does take us down however, then the fans have to really start speaking up. In a sort of 'either he goes or
we do' sort of manner.
Some have already taken that option.
Some will be there next season regardless.
That has always been the way. Total hysteria at this stage will help nobody.
Psh, no ones helping me.. why should I care about Randy's toy?
It was our 'toy' before he came along and will be after he has gone.
Except we're not allowed to play with it, and we get to watch another child break it. It's not our toy Dave.
Interesting the way you have put that. Have we ever been able to play with this toy?
I am not arguing with you and wasn't disagreeing with Stu either. Just haven't got to the stage where I am incensed about everything Villa yet. I have been at that point many times in the past though.
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My message to Randy.. "Shit, or get off the pot"
And to take his place will be?
Well the first thing he has to do is put it up for sale.
C'mon Dave use your noggin. You cant just expect people to take over someone elses house without going through the sale procedure. Once he starts that process, buyers might show their hand. Or not. But without it, you wont know.
Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
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My message to Randy.. "Shit, or get off the pot"
And to take his place will be?
Well the first thing he has to do is put it up for sale.
C'mon Dave use your noggin. You cant just expect people to take over someone elses house without going through the sale procedure. Once he starts that process, buyers might show their hand. Or not. But without it, you wont know.
Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
That being the case, where are all these new owners that are alleged to be buying clubs on a weekly basis? Blackburn were supposedly being taken over, Everton have been for sale for years, Newcastle almost as long. Even if buyers were out there, there's no evidence that they would be better than Randy and then what? It's ridiculous to say that every time something goes wrong on the pitch, we should demand the owner sells the club.
Once more, the general is no longer a Villa director.
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Cheers for that. I didnt know. My apathy had set in and I'm not ashamed to say, became a less frequent visitor all round.
Which sums up the current footfall.
Shame on the club for not replacing his voice to the fans.
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
Which is, of course, very easy to say now he isn't here.
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"We'll be here though thick and thin"
Then the thin arrives, and guess what? Nowhere to be seen. I don't mean him in particular, I mean the club's presence.
Pretty shoddily handled, really. All it took was a two or three line post saying they were offski.
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"We'll be here though thick and thin"
Then the thin arrives, and guess what? Nowhere to be seen. I don't mean him in particular, I mean the club's presence.
Pretty shoddily handled, really. All it took was a two or three line post saying they were offski.
Very well said.
Why was there no "Sticky" post at the top , to say he had departed ? Or even a message from him to say so ? We're not all on the inside or deemed worthy enough to be kept "in the know" but we've all paid the same entrance fees in the past.
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"We'll be here though thick and thin"
Then the thin arrives, and guess what? Nowhere to be seen. I don't mean him in particular, I mean the club's presence.
Pretty shoddily handled, really. All it took was a two or three line post saying they were offski.
The whole thing was deeply flawed.
One minute he'd be saying that he doesn't have full access to the Villa Park sanctum, next he'd be giving insider snippets away.
Despite repeated warnings from him and mods about not discussing playing matters, he invariably always did.
His last few comments on here and VT before he left were beyond parody
'You wouldn't dare say that to my face at the ground.'
'We'll finish 4th, er...I mean 5th, my finger slipped.'
'Imagine what McLeish could do with Randy backing him with our resources.'
On the other side of the coin, there were people who just went out of their way to wind him up, people who went potty because he hadn't answered them promptly enough and people who used to ask him about the most bizarre subjects, everything from Balti pies to tours of duty in Vietnam.
It was a Moderator nightmare.
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"We'll be here though thick and thin"
Then the thin arrives, and guess what? Nowhere to be seen. I don't mean him in particular, I mean the club's presence.
Pretty shoddily handled, really. All it took was a two or three line post saying they were offski.
Very well said.
Why was there no "Sticky" post at the top , to say he had departed ? Or even a message from him to say so ? We're not all on the inside or deemed worthy enough to be kept "in the know" but we've all paid the same entrance fees in the past.
I don't really get your last sentence, but the reason there was no "he's left" warning from us was because we didn't know he'd left.
The last contact we had was he asked us to reopen his thread (which had been locked for a while), which we did, then he just disappeared from contact.
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"We'll be here though thick and thin"
Then the thin arrives, and guess what? Nowhere to be seen. I don't mean him in particular, I mean the club's presence.
Pretty shoddily handled, really. All it took was a two or three line post saying they were offski.
Very well said.
Why was there no "Sticky" post at the top , to say he had departed ? Or even a message from him to say so ? We're not all on the inside or deemed worthy enough to be kept "in the know" but we've all paid the same entrance fees in the past.
Nobody knew he was going. Nobody was informed, whether they were on the inside, the outside, worthy or unworthy.
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
Which is, of course, very easy to say now he isn't here.
Some people had an inkling for a long time while he was posting on here, but perhaps thought it risked a ban by pointing it out.
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I couldn't get to the game on Saturday (usually get invited to a colleague who has a family season ticket). He text me on Saturday evening, not to give me some friendly banter but quote "sad to see the villa with so little fight and so little direction. far worse teams come here and give it a go. i was embarrassed for every villa fan".
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my mate went down to get us some beers 5 mins before half time and the bar was so rammed that he only got served just before the second half started
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"We'll be here though thick and thin"
Then the thin arrives, and guess what? Nowhere to be seen. I don't mean him in particular, I mean the club's presence.
Pretty shoddily handled, really. All it took was a two or three line post saying they were offski.
Very well said.
Why was there no "Sticky" post at the top , to say he had departed ? Or even a message from him to say so ? We're not all on the inside or deemed worthy enough to be kept "in the know" but we've all paid the same entrance fees in the past.
Nobody knew he was going. Nobody was informed, whether they were on the inside, the outside, worthy or unworthy.
I phoned Nicky Keyes and she knew.
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A message to Randy:
Move Faulkner sideways (he is good on the commercial side), get some football knowledge on the board. Get rid of the manager and the staff he brought in. We have an Italian kit manufacturer and a manager who is basing his tactics on the Italian Army's dubious reputation....
Put Sid and Mac in charge for the remainder of the season.
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I couldn't get to the game on Saturday (usually get invited to a colleague who has a family season ticket). He text me on Saturday evening, not to give me some friendly banter but quote "sad to see the villa with so little fight and so little direction. far worse teams come here and give it a go. i was embarrassed for every villa fan".
deleted....over ranted response by YT
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
Which is, of course, very easy to say now he isn't here.
Some people had an inkling for a long time while he was posting on here, but perhaps thought it risked a ban by pointing it out.
How very convenient.
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
Which is, of course, very easy to say now he isn't here.
Some people had an inkling for a long time while he was posting on here, but perhaps thought it risked a ban by pointing it out.
This really annoys me.
That thread gave us nothing but grief the entire time it was up, and we would repeatedly ask - pretty much beg - peoiple to do two things, not talk to him about football issues, and show the bloke some respect, and on both of those things, we constantly got ignored.
Maybe if you've got problems with the way the thread was moderated, you might have been part of the problem?
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
Which is, of course, very easy to say now he isn't here.
But also true.
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
Which is, of course, very easy to say now he isn't here.
But also true.
Please don't bother telling us how you work that out.
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Dave do you know if anybody from the club looks on here?
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Plenty do. The marketing department for starters.
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If anything they've always spent too much time looking at fora.
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
Which is, of course, very easy to say now he isn't here.
But also true.
Please don't bother telling us how you work that out.
Don't read this then. He seemed like a decent bloke, but apart from PR what was he?
When McCleish was appointed, the spin machine went into overdrive. He even talked about finishing 4th. When the fans anger over McCleish's appointment became apparent, the board either pulled the plug on him or he buggered off. Either way, we'll never know. Was there ever a reason given?
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
Which is, of course, very easy to say now he isn't here.
And very difficult to say when he is.
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Don't read this then. He seemed like a decent bloke, but apart from PR what was he?
When McCleish was appointed, the spin machine went into overdrive. He even talked about finishing 4th. When the fans anger over McCleish's appointment became apparent, the board either pulled the plug on him or he buggered off. Either way, we'll never know. Was there ever a reason given?
The whole point about him being on the messageboards was PR. He didn't have to do it, it probably went on too long but when it started, it was a unique line of communication. The sad thing was that it wasn't enough for some, who regarded him as their own personal envoy to the boardroom and made increasing unrealistic demands of his remit. The reason for his leaving was given - he took a job which turned out to be more time-consuming than first thought.
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Don't read this then. He seemed like a decent bloke, but apart from PR what was he?
When McCleish was appointed, the spin machine went into overdrive. He even talked about finishing 4th. When the fans anger over McCleish's appointment became apparent, the board either pulled the plug on him or he buggered off. Either way, we'll never know. Was there ever a reason given?
The whole point about him being on the messageboards was PR. He didn't have to do it, it probably went on too long but when it started, it was a unique line of communication. The sad thing was that it wasn't enough for some, who regarded him as their own personal envoy to the boardroom and made increasing unrealistic demands of his remit. The reason for his leaving was given - he took a job which turned out to be more time-consuming than first thought.
I could believe that, the General never struck me as being an out and out liar nor do I think he is a coward.
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Don't read this then. He seemed like a decent bloke, but apart from PR what was he?
When McCleish was appointed, the spin machine went into overdrive. He even talked about finishing 4th. When the fans anger over McCleish's appointment became apparent, the board either pulled the plug on him or he buggered off. Either way, we'll never know. Was there ever a reason given?
The sad thing was that it wasn't enough for some, who regarded him as their own personal envoy to the boardroom and made increasing unrealistic demands of his remit.
The way he was spoken to and some of things he got asked made me cringe at times. It was a unique thing for a football club to do and it got abused.
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Unbefcuckinleivable.
You lot want to talk about petty politics while our club is being taken down the Gary Glitter.
Idiots.
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Don't read this then. He seemed like a decent bloke, but apart from PR what was he?
When McCleish was appointed, the spin machine went into overdrive. He even talked about finishing 4th. When the fans anger over McCleish's appointment became apparent, the board either pulled the plug on him or he buggered off. Either way, we'll never know. Was there ever a reason given?
The sad thing was that it wasn't enough for some, who regarded him as their own personal envoy to the boardroom and made increasing unrealistic demands of his remit.
The way he was spoken to and some of things he got asked made me cringe at times. It was a unique thing for a football club to do and it got abused.
Clampy, I'm glad I wasn't the only one, it was fucking embarrassing.
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Don't read this then. He seemed like a decent bloke, but apart from PR what was he?
When McCleish was appointed, the spin machine went into overdrive. He even talked about finishing 4th. When the fans anger over McCleish's appointment became apparent, the board either pulled the plug on him or he buggered off. Either way, we'll never know. Was there ever a reason given?
The sad thing was that it wasn't enough for some, who regarded him as their own personal envoy to the boardroom and made increasing unrealistic demands of his remit.
The way he was spoken to and some of things he got asked made me cringe at times. It was a unique thing for a football club to do and it got abused.
All true.
But why did he bugger off without saying a word? It was certainly not because of cringe worthy comments and superfluous requests. It was around the time of McCleish's appointment.
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Unbefcuckinleivable.
You lot want to talk about petty politics while our club is being taken down the Gary Glitter.
Idiots.
First, we're talking about the Villa, on a Villa forum.
Second, whatever is said on here isn't going to make any difference to the current situation.
Third, when did we have the vote that put you in charge of what we can and can't say?
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We didn't,it is just my considered opinion.
Frustrating Dave,i am sure you will agree.
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Unbefcuckinleivable.
You lot want to talk about petty politics while our club is being taken down the Gary Glitter.
Idiots.
Don't blame me, I was just on my way down to Villa Park with a burning torch.
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We didn't,it is just my considered opinion.
Frustrating Dave,i am sure you will agree.
No it's not frustrating at all. It's what we want to talk about.
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Unbefcuckinleivable.
You lot want to talk about petty politics while our club is being taken down the Gary Glitter.
Idiots.
Don't blame me, I was just on my way down to Villa Park with a burning torch.
There's a 'Heskey as Frankenstein ' joke in there, somewhere. Oops, wrong thread.
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Unbefcuckinleivable.
You lot want to talk about petty politics while our club is being taken down the Gary Glitter.
Idiots.
Are we allowed only one topic then? Why have more than one forum?
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Unbefcuckinleivable.
You lot want to talk about petty politics while our club is being taken down the Gary Glitter.
Idiots.
If all you want to talk about is how shit everything is there are approximately 436 other threads all repeating the same boring shite for you to post on. Any thread actually discussing something else is a breath of fresh air on here at the moment.
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Anyway................ where's our ear to the board , General Krulak ? Has he done one ? Where is he whem we need to speak to him.
Just as the shit hit the fan, he took on another role away from the club.
Superb timing on his part.
Nice man, but full of shit.
Which is, of course, very easy to say now he isn't here.
Some people had an inkling for a long time while he was posting on here, but perhaps thought it risked a ban by pointing it out.
This really annoys me.
That thread gave us nothing but grief the entire time it was up, and we would repeatedly ask - pretty much beg - peoiple to do two things, not talk to him about football issues, and show the bloke some respect, and on both of those things, we constantly got ignored.
Maybe if you've got problems with the way the thread was moderated, you might have been part of the problem?
You have read quite a lot into that single lined post written during a lunch break there Paulie. I didn't say that I had a problem with the way it was moderated. To say that anyone who posts on this site is full of shit, especially a NED of the club would be talking themselves into a ban, am I not wrong?
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You have read quite a lot into that single lined post written during a lunch break there Paulie. I didn't say that I had a problem with the way it was moderated. To say that anyone who posts on this site is full of shit, especially a NED of the club would be talking themselves into a ban, am I not wrong?
It really depends what you're saying.
If you're saying that you felt you wanted to disagree with things the General said, but felt you couldn't because you'd get a ban, then you're totally wrong, yes. I did that myself, as it happens.
If you're saying that you wanted to shout "you're full of shit" but you felt you'd have been banned, then yes, you probably would have been.
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Don't read this then. He seemed like a decent bloke, but apart from PR what was he?
When McCleish was appointed, the spin machine went into overdrive. He even talked about finishing 4th. When the fans anger over McCleish's appointment became apparent, the board either pulled the plug on him or he buggered off. Either way, we'll never know. Was there ever a reason given?
The whole point about him being on the messageboards was PR. He didn't have to do it, it probably went on too long but when it started, it was a unique line of communication. The sad thing was that it wasn't enough for some, who regarded him as their own personal envoy to the boardroom and made increasing unrealistic demands of his remit. The reason for his leaving was given - he took a job which turned out to be more time-consuming than first thought.
In fairness, the reason for his departure was given, yes, but about a year after he disappeared, and even then only by Pelty.
My beef with the way they did it is that it wouild have taken, what, three minutes to write a "sorry, can't do this any more" post, and the whole experiment would have ended on a nice, civilised note.
The problem with the way they actually did it - ie him disappearing - is that it shows an enormous lack of appreciation for the efforts we went to with them, but also that it leaves them open to accusations that they legged it the first time it got difficult, which then moves on to "you only wanted to hear from us when we were telling you how great you were".
Either it was really, really sloppy PR from them to do it this way, or, actually, they weren't that bothered after all.
As for his new job, I understand he's very busy, but I refuse to believe anyone is too busy to write a three line message.
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Im not really saying either, but it is more the second one than the first. I'd never tell anyone they were full of shit, but if I did on this forum, I'd expect a ban, so I would't do it because I don't want to be banned. I did feel he was full of shit, so I rarely posted on his thread when he was here.
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Don't read this then. He seemed like a decent bloke, but apart from PR what was he?
When McCleish was appointed, the spin machine went into overdrive. He even talked about finishing 4th. When the fans anger over McCleish's appointment became apparent, the board either pulled the plug on him or he buggered off. Either way, we'll never know. Was there ever a reason given?
The whole point about him being on the messageboards was PR. He didn't have to do it, it probably went on too long but when it started, it was a unique line of communication. The sad thing was that it wasn't enough for some, who regarded him as their own personal envoy to the boardroom and made increasing unrealistic demands of his remit. The reason for his leaving was given - he took a job which turned out to be more time-consuming than first thought.
In fairness, the reason for his departure was given, yes, but about a year after he disappeared, and even then only by Pelty.
My beef with the way they did it is that it wouild have taken, what, three minutes to write a "sorry, can't do this any more" post, and the whole experiment would have ended on a nice, civilised note.
The problem with the way they actually did it - ie him disappearing - is that it shows an enormous lack of appreciation for the efforts we went to with them, but also that it leaves them open to accusations that they legged it the first time it got difficult, which then moves on to "you only wanted to hear from us when we were telling you how great you were".
Either it was really, really sloppy PR from them to do it this way, or, actually, they weren't that bothered after all.
As for his new job, I understand he's very busy, but I refuse to believe anyone is too busy to write a three line message.
It wasn't 'them,' it was 'him'. After a while I don't think the club wanted him to be on the boards at all, but for whatever reason couldn't really stop him.
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Don't read this then. He seemed like a decent bloke, but apart from PR what was he?
When McCleish was appointed, the spin machine went into overdrive. He even talked about finishing 4th. When the fans anger over McCleish's appointment became apparent, the board either pulled the plug on him or he buggered off. Either way, we'll never know. Was there ever a reason given?
The whole point about him being on the messageboards was PR. He didn't have to do it, it probably went on too long but when it started, it was a unique line of communication. The sad thing was that it wasn't enough for some, who regarded him as their own personal envoy to the boardroom and made increasing unrealistic demands of his remit. The reason for his leaving was given - he took a job which turned out to be more time-consuming than first thought.
In fairness, the reason for his departure was given, yes, but about a year after he disappeared, and even then only by Pelty.
My beef with the way they did it is that it wouild have taken, what, three minutes to write a "sorry, can't do this any more" post, and the whole experiment would have ended on a nice, civilised note.
The problem with the way they actually did it - ie him disappearing - is that it shows an enormous lack of appreciation for the efforts we went to with them, but also that it leaves them open to accusations that they legged it the first time it got difficult, which then moves on to "you only wanted to hear from us when we were telling you how great you were".
Either it was really, really sloppy PR from them to do it this way, or, actually, they weren't that bothered after all.
As for his new job, I understand he's very busy, but I refuse to believe anyone is too busy to write a three line message.
It wasn't 'them,' it was 'him'. After a while I don't think the club wanted him to be on the boards at all, but for whatever reason couldn't really stop him.
But he was here representing the club.
They may not have wanted him to after a while, but they were all entirely aware that he was doing it, and he was feeding back to them, and ferrying answers back to us
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It was a nice gesture but it was always going to end in tears. Too many journo's sniffing round looking for a contraversy to sell their papers for him to speak freely. avoided the thread myself after a while because the things i wanted to ask him, he couldn't answer and rightly so perhaps. Useful for people with problems regrading the club or just general good PR but thats all it was in the end.
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He was a representative of the club, but didn't represent the club; a subtle difference, but a difference nonetheless.
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He was a representative of the club, but didn't represent the club; a subtle difference, but a difference nonetheless.
That sums him up perfectly. I've no doubt he had the best of intentions but there was always going to be a conflict.
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Unbefcuckinleivable.
You lot want to talk about petty politics while our club is being taken down the Gary
Glitter.
Idiots.
If all you want to talk about is how shit everything is there are approximately 436 other threads all repeating the same boring shite for you to post on. Any thread actually discussing something else is a breath of fresh air on here at the moment.
It won't be long before the 'which beer did you last drink' thread has been intercepted as well.
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The General was a director of the club (and I don't think he's actually resigned yet) and made it clear that he was acting as a gobetween between club and fans, therefore legally, he was here in an official capacity.
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From a Bluenose...
"Fabrice Muamba is now out of bed walking around. He's wearing a "Pray for Villa" t-shirt.
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From a Bluenose...
"Fabrice Muamba is now out of bed walking around. He's wearing a "Pray for Villa" t-shirt.
Actually not funny!
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From a Bluenose...
"Fabrice Muamba is now out of bed walking around. He's wearing a "Pray for Villa" t-shirt.
Actually not funny!
A bit like one of our own shouting out at Arsenal, more than once, that McLeish should do a Muamba.
Bloody disgraceful.
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The General was a director of the club (and I don't think he's actually resigned yet) and made it clear that he was acting as a gobetween between club and fans, therefore legally, he was here in an official capacity.
I always thought that he was here on at least a minimum semi-official position/
I would say that its almost impossible to have a director talking about the company he is a director of not acting in a relatively official position
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From a Bluenose...
"Fabrice Muamba is now out of bed walking around. He's wearing a "Pray for Villa" t-shirt.
Actually not funny!
A bit like one of our own shouting out at Arsenal, more than once, that McLeish should do a Muamba.
Bloody disgraceful.
Then adding that he shouldn't be given CPR. Awful.
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From a Bluenose...
"Fabrice Muamba is now out of bed walking around. He's wearing a "Pray for Villa" t-shirt.
Actually not funny!
A bit like one of our own shouting out at Arsenal, more than once, that McLeish should do a Muamba.
Bloody disgraceful.
I heard something shouted along those lines, those sort of people should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
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From a Bluenose...
"Fabrice Muamba is now out of bed walking around. He's wearing a "Pray for Villa" t-shirt.
Actually not funny!
A bit like one of our own shouting out at Arsenal, more than once, that McLeish should do a Muamba.
Bloody disgraceful.
I heard something shouted along those lines, those sort of people should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
Absolutely disgusting.