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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chipsticks on February 25, 2012, 05:01:23 PM
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So, with Bent being stretchered off, Gabby playing as a winger, The Fonz being out on loan, Keano leaving, and Heskey being Heskey, we seem to be a bit short in the forward department.
Personally, I quite fancy giving this Andreas Weimann a go, the OS and Bent have been giving him praises for the last few weeks and if I recall correctly, Bent called him "one of the best natural finishers I've ever seen". If he's able to live up to that I see no problem with giving him a go, but I wonder if there isn't the possibility of recalling Fonz.
Worried ahead of the Blackburn game, not to mention that we're entering March needing points, and we never do well in March. So, who would you have up front?
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Weimann deserves a chance.
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We'll probably just go a more orthodox 451 with Gabby on his own up front.
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Weimann deserves a chance.
Agree 100%. Fonz seems to be doing a Luke Moore. Weimann looks like he has real promise but we'll only find out if he gets game time. Unfortunately McCleish is in charge and we all know who he'll play up front
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Weimann deserves a chance.
Agree 100%. Fonz seems to be doing a Luke Moore. Weimann looks like he has real promise but we'll only find out if he gets game time. Unfortunately McCleish is in charge and we all know who he'll play up front
Release the Ivanhoe.
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I'd go Weimann against Blackburn, they aren't much better than what he faces in the reserves and he's scoring for fun there!
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Give Weimann a chance, I'm sick of hearing about the Fonz's potential, he just looks out of his depth most of the time. Give Andreas a chance and see what happens, at least it'll be more interesting than today.
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Weimann deserves a chance.
Agree 100%. Fonz seems to be doing a Luke Moore. Weimann looks like he has real promise but we'll only find out if he gets game time. Unfortunately McCleish is in charge and we all know who he'll play up front
Release the Ivanhoe.
....from his contract.
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Don't think that Fonz has had a decent crack of the whip. But really the club keep hyping the players up on the OS (not the players fault) and they need to be given a chance to deliver.
A Blackburn defence now minus the Samba would be an ideal chance for either Weimann or Fonz.
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Don't think that Fonz has had a decent crack of the whip. But really the club keep hyping the players up on the OS (not the players fault) and they need to be given a chance to deliver.
A Blackburn defence now minus the Samba would be an ideal chance for either Weimann or Fonz.
Remember Luke Moore being bigged up by the media after his hat-trick against Boro. He was promising but he didn't make it and I think the fonz is going the same way
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Frustrating that he's been sent on loan.....to sit on the bench.
I'd of thought we'd not let players go out unless they were guaranteed matches. Can't see the benefit to him essentially training with Leicester and warming their bench....
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Weimann deserves a chance.
Agree 100%. Fonz seems to be doing a Luke Moore. Weimann looks like he has real promise but we'll only find out if he gets game time. Unfortunately McCleish is in charge and we all know who he'll play up front
Release the Ivanhoe.
....from his contract.
You've managed to make me smile for the first time today, thanks ;)
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I'd be curious to see Andreas given a chance, but on the other hand some of Gabby's best games I've watched have been when he was up on his own.
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I'd be curious to see Andreas given a chance, but on the other hand some of Gabby's best games I've watched have been when he was up on his own.
By any chance would it be when we won 2-0 away at the Emirates? He was absolutely superb on that day.
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Gabby up front... Ireland behind him... Marc and NZog either side. Weinmann as Gaby's understudy. Nothing disastrous there... in fact it's a class forward line.
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I'm willing to bet that Heskey will come into the side.
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Heskey will play up front with Gabby & the Fonz will be recalled from his loan at Leicester to warm the bench with Weimann.
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Being that we have got mcleish in charge there is a guzan will b up front against Blackburn.
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I think some are missing the point.
We could have Messi, Rooney and Silva up front, but with McCluless in charge they would be wasted.
In the commentary today, after 15 mins they said, Villa have Bent, Keane and Agbonlahor, now thats a premiership foward line.
And they were right, most teams with give their right arm for that, but look what the twat in charge has done to them.
The problem is not the players.
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Step forward Andreas Weimann
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I don't know why we even bother playing a striker, we don't use them. We could put K Mac up front and it would basically amount to the same as having Robin Van Persie if we are not going to give him the ball. You can't win games if you sit back and play for a draw with dull negative football, no matter who you have up front.
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The Fonz is shit, given has more chance of scoring, take Agbonlahor off the wing put him up front, its quite simple, we've got nzogbia for the wing
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I'm willing to bet that Heskey will come into the side.
After today I'm shuddering at the thought
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Gabby up top, Ireland, Albrighton and NZogbia behind, with Gardner and Herd or Petrov.
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Step forward Andy W!
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And step back Alex McL. All the way to Scotland. I'll even contribute to the taxi fare.
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Gabby is better than Bent as a lone striker for us. I'd pick the same fromt 4 as ozzjim, and would have all season.
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I take it there's no news on Bent? I'd go one up front personally but if he's out for any length of time its extremely worrying. Lerner should have a long hard look in the mirror, because currently we've got forward options that would shame a championship side.
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Gabby up front... Ireland behind him... Marc and NZog either side. Weinmann as Gaby's understudy. Nothing disastrous there... in fact it's a class forward line.
So in Mcleish's head that reads - Heskey upfront all by himself, Gabby stuck out on the wing, anybody on the right as long as they don't go forward too much and three central midfielders who only pass sideways.
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Gabby up front... Ireland behind him... Marc and NZog either side. Weinmann as Gaby's understudy. Nothing disastrous there... in fact it's a class forward line.
Exactly.
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If i was AM i'd be wrapping Gabby up in cotton wool tonight because if Bent is out for any length of time we're one bad tackle or hamgstring pull from disaster. We've now got a choice between 2 kids and probably the least prolific striker in our history
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Gabby's goals from early season have dried up. He's been injured granted, which hasn't helped, and it seems for us that he and Bent can't both be in form at the same time, which is a pain in the ass.
He's got to come good again now. His dry spell, which he has year on year, has to end now and we need a purple patch because otherwise we'll get dragged into the mire.
Thing is, who's gonna get us the goals? Our midfielders don't score, and Heskey is Heskey. To say we're a bit toothless is an understatement.
I'd give Weimann a go. I know people keep bringing up Luke Moore, but in O Leary's final season, Luke actually did well for us in the last half of the season. Didn't he score something like 8 in 20 games, including his Boro hattrick? You could argue he helped keep us up. For all he hasn't lived up to that he had an impact then. Whether Weimann is the next big thing or the next forgotton memory, who knows, but lets give him a go. He could make a difference now, when we need it.
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Gabby looked very heavy legged at times yesterday which is understandable from being out, but he'd be my choice to play the lone striker role next week, with Marc and Zoggy on the flanks and 3 in the middle.
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Gabby is better than Bent as a lone striker for us. I'd pick the same fromt 4 as ozzjim, and would have all season.
Agree with this and Ozzjim. only downside is that the defence needs particularly to be on form with that lineup.
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Gabby in a 4-5-1 with Weimann as impact / back-up.
God help us if the injury list grows more.
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So, with Bent being stretchered off, Gabby playing as a winger, The Fonz being out on loan, Keano leaving, and Heskey being Heskey, we seem to be a bit shit in the forward department.
Minor amendment made.
Give Weimann a go.
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Gabby in a 4-5-1 with Weimann as impact / back-up.
God help us if the injury list grows more.
The problem is we are very poor anyway, so at this stage any other injuries won't really make that much of a difference.
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Many of our best performances in recent years have been with Gabby up front on his own. You don't want to give a promising youngster like Weidmann his chance in a side struggling to score goals in a relegation scrap.
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Its a strange one that Ireland has been dropped since he looks like he's been in his best form since he joined us,hopefully he'll benefit from Keane's departure by being played further up top behind Gabby. Now Keane's gone,Ireland is our most intelligent player we have now,so he needs a run of games in that position.
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Its a strange one that Ireland has been dropped since he looks like he's been in his best form since he joined us,hopefully he'll benefit from Keane's departure by being played further up top behind Gabby. Now Keane's gone,Ireland is our most intelligent player we have now,so he needs a run of games in that position.
More likely our manager will persevere with Emile >:( and bring Ireland on when we're two down.
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Gabby back up front where he belongs doing it for Villa, as he did season after season before someone decided to shell out 20+ML on a player that is actually at least no better, then coming to the mind splitting decision to put Gabby out to graze on the wings.
He did it for us season after season (mostly on his own) when we where contesting for European placing and Cup Finals and Semi Finals and consistent season after season 6th place, stands to reason only a friggin idiot would remove him from there and stick that player out on the wings, then spend 20ML.
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Weimann lacked a lot of composure when he came on at Wolves recently...he messed up one simple cross to Bent and then blazed high into the south bank when Bannan was coming into shoot.....so I'd rather see him as a sub than starter.
Gabby was poor yesterday but hopefully it's just him being rusty from not playing for a while so an extra week's training and he'll be sharper for Blackburn.
I'd go back to what we did at Chelsea, it seemed to work quite well there, with Gabby up top and Ireland behind him with N'zog and Albrighton wide.
Can see Heskey playing, in fairness Blackburn are so bad he usually scores against them. Scored at VP earlier this season and also the Carling cup semi,.
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------Gardner--Petrov
Marc-------Ireland-----Nzogbia
-------------Gabby
Should be good enough to dispose of Blackburn and Bolton (*should* be). If Marc struggles you can swap it round and play
Nzogbia--Weimann--Gabby
as a front 3. I dont think 4-4-2 would work well as our 3-man midfield is fucking awful, dread to think what would happen in a 2 man midfield.
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------Gardner--Petrov
Marc-------Ireland-----Nzogbia
-------------Gabby
Should be good enough to dispose of Blackburn and Bolton (*should* be). If Marc struggles you can swap it round and play
Nzogbia--Weimann--Gabby
as a front 3. I dont think 4-4-2 would work well as our 3-man midfield is fucking awful, dread to think what would happen in a 2 man midfield.
I would play 5 straight across the middle, we need midfield and we need to get bodies in there, on top of that I would press the 2 backs to get forward at every chance, feed Gabby enough chances and it won't take him long to sink Blackburn, crowd out the midfield and double up in the wide area's, the kind of style that Young and Downing enjoyed for ages, with Gabby tying up 2 of there CB's and leaving them for dead at every opportunity.
IMO, do that and you take pressure of us at the back, focus then on getting goals, that would be nice.
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Could be a blessing in disguise really, because with the way McClueless sets the team up, Bent gets sod all service and is wasted.
Gabby will be far more effective up top on his own than stuck out on the wing, and if Zog, Ireland and Marco can give him some support, he'll bag a few goals.
I'd rather wait until we're mathematically safe before giving Weimann a run of starts, promosing though he may be.
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With two hat tricks in his last two games, weimann's confidence should be sky high. I think it's ideal that he gets introduced into games now. Certainly not starting yet. But give him more than a cameo role, coming on in the 84th minute. Give him a good run out for 20 mins or so and see how he gets on.
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Depending on the seriousness of the injury yesterday could have been the last time we see Darren Bent in a Villa team.
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Sometimes managers have a line-up and formation forced on them due to circumstances that actually works in terms of results. Lets hope that's the case with Bent's injury and Gabby playing up front on his own.
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With two hat tricks in his last two games, weimann's confidence should be sky high. I think it's ideal that he gets introduced into games now. Certainly not starting yet. But give him more than a cameo role, coming on in the 84th minute. Give him a good run out for 20 mins or so and see how he gets on.
Agreed, its time to unleash the fury and away from Villa Park there will be less pressure. Rambo the second coming is about to begin.
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My worry is that assuming Bent is out a while it forces Gabby up front on his own where he will have to do a lot of running. If he is a fair short of being fully fit the risk is him making it worse and also being sidelined for a period of time. I'd be worried about the only attackers being Weimann and Heskey and maybe Fonz (assuming he can be recalled) as the players to keep us away from the dogfight.
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I think Weimann looks a decent option, direct, physical and confident. I think his lack if composure is probably down to trying to make an impression in 3 minutes at the end of games. It's a daft way to use young players as subs as they tend to rush about trying to make a personal impact rather than making composed decisions that benefit the team.
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Sometimes managers have a line-up and formation forced on them due to circumstances that actually works in terms of results. Lets hope that's the case with Bent's injury and Gabby playing up front on his own.
Combine that with the fact it allows us to play two actual wingers in N'Zogbia and Super Marc, plus Ireland centrally now Keane has gone, it should be a more balanced side.
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In the real world that is the way to go.
However, it's a massive assumption that AM would go with those players in that formation based on what we've seen so far - not sure he has much footballing sense.
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Gabby up front... Ireland behind him... Marc and NZog either side. Weinmann as Gaby's understudy. Nothing disastrous there... in fact it's a class forward line.
I like your optimism Jimmy!
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any news on Bent's injury ?
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With Weimann scoring and looking like he's making his way into McLeish's first team plans, do we think that this could mean the end of the road at Villa for Delfouneso? He hasn't pushed on much. I have a feeling he'll be off in the summer.
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I'm a big fan of Weimann and hope he gets a good opportunity to prove his worth.
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With Weimann scoring and looking like he's making his way into McLeish's first team plans, do we think that this could mean the end of the road at Villa for Delfouneso? He hasn't pushed on much. I have a feeling he'll be off in the summer.
I think the Fonz is one his way regardless of what Weimann does.
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With Weimann scoring and looking like he's making his way into McLeish's first team plans, do we think that this could mean the end of the road at Villa for Delfouneso? He hasn't pushed on much. I have a feeling he'll be off in the summer.
I think the Fonz is one his way regardless of what Weimann does.
Agreed. Not quite got it for the Premiership, IMHO.
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With Weimann scoring and looking like he's making his way into McLeish's first team plans, do we think that this could mean the end of the road at Villa for Delfouneso? He hasn't pushed on much. I have a feeling he'll be off in the summer.
I think the Fonz is one his way regardless of what Weimann does.
Agreed. Not quite got it for the Premiership, IMHO.
With Weimann scoring and looking like he's making his way into McLeish's first team plans, do we think that this could mean the end of the road at Villa for Delfouneso? He hasn't pushed on much. I have a feeling he'll be off in the summer.
I think the Fonz is one his way regardless of what Weimann does.
Agreed. Not quite got it for the Premiership, IMHO.
But never really given a chance in his natural position with an experienced player alongside him to help him develop.
The upper half of the PL is hard on young players unless you are real top quality as managers will not risk bringing in young forwards but rather play safety first with a known quantity.
The PL is of such a standard that it is stifling the development of young British talent.
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With Weimann scoring and looking like he's making his way into McLeish's first team plans, do we think that this could mean the end of the road at Villa for Delfouneso? He hasn't pushed on much. I have a feeling he'll be off in the summer.
I think the Fonz is one his way regardless of what Weimann does.
Agreed. Not quite got it for the Premiership, IMHO.
But never really given a chance in his natural position with an experienced player alongside him to help him develop.
The upper half of the PL is hard on young players unless you are real top quality as managers will not risk bringing in young forwards but rather play safety first with a known quantity.
The PL is of such a standard that it is stifling the development of young British talent.
Know what you mean and cannot disagree.
However, I also agreed with John M'Zog because I think the Fonz will go in the summer, come what may.
And I'd add that his loan-outs have been less than impressive - I'm thinking particularly of the time he had at Burnley where he was given pitch-time.
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If the Fonz goes I'd like to see us be a bit creative with the deal.
I reckon we'd be talking a about 3m in the current market which is not a huge amount in the greater scheme of things. Therefore I'd prefer to see a fee of something like 2m but with options to buy him back (a la that guy Chelsea bought from Barca) or a large % of any future fees.
Ultimately the guy desperately needs playing time whether it is with us or someone else.
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If the Fonz goes I'd like to see us be a bit creative with the deal.
I reckon we'd be talking a about 3m in the current market which is not a huge amount in the greater scheme of things. Therefore I'd prefer to see a fee of something like 2m but with options to buy him back (a la that guy Chelsea bought from Barca) or a large % of any future fees.
I think that a full 12 month loan in the championship would give him a make or break opportunity. Then we could decide with a lot more certainty whether to bring him back or move him on.
Ultimately the guy desperately needs playing time whether it is with us or someone else.
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i never got the feeing that Fonz wanted it badly enough,
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Even with the youth / reserves, I think the Fonz thought he had done it all. Maybe he will get a second wind. I don't expect he will be here much longer unless he really gets his game going quickly.
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i never got the feeing that Fonz wanted it badly enough,
Same as. I mean, he's been hovering around the outskirts of the team for the guts of four years now and hasn't just got the bit between his teeth and forced himself in on a more regular basis.
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And I'd add that his loan-outs have been less than impressive - I'm thinking particularly of the time he had at Burnley where he was given pitch-time.
I think they played him wide at Burnley, which isn't his position.
However, if he isn't doing enough to justify a manager playing him in his preferred position, then that says a lot.
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It is getting more and more difficult for young players that play the central role to make the break through in the PL. Many teams only play one up front and managers will not take the chance on a young player to lead the line.
What usually happens is that they get played in the wide positions which doesn't suit some players. If you look at Sturridge at Chelsea. He has made the break through but he doesn't look as good out wide but will Chelsea play him as the central striker. Likewise, Walcott at Arsenal.
For Delfouneso or Weimann, for that matter, to develop they need to play alongside somebody and not in a 4-5-1 formation. Above all, they need a run of games.