Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: QBVILLA on February 08, 2012, 12:50:41 PM
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Just taken a look at it and read some of the comments.Well worth a look for the comedy element
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Just taken a look at it and read some of the comments.Well worth a look for the comedy element
Intentional or otherwise?
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Mainly intentional.We have Neville Chamberlain and Cat Deeley claiming to be embarrased of being Brummies and some great abuse of the creators of the site.Well worth a look.
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Link please :)
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www.mcleishout.co.uk
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www.mcleishout.co.uk
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Oh, no:
Before we get abused and told we are not "real fans" for doing this, how can you call yourself a FAN if you are prepared to do nothing and watch OUR GREAT club fail
I hate that "how can you be a real fan" argument whatever the context it is used in.
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Oh, no:
Before we get abused and told we are not "real fans" for doing this, how can you call yourself a FAN if you are prepared to do nothing and watch OUR GREAT club fail
I hate that "how can you be a real fan" argument whatever the context it is used in.
How can you call yourself a FAN if you disagree wit ME? Jesus what a crock of shit.
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At least we'll know what Talksport are talking about tonight when that bell end Durham and dipstick Gough are sensationalising it
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Just picked this up from Sporting Life, seems appropriate to put in this thread:
Aston Villa supporters are being urged to attend a pre-match protest against manager Alex McLeish ahead of Sunday's home clash with Manchester City.
A statement posted on the 'Vital Villa' (VV) fans' website claims the current record of six wins in 24 Barclays Premier League games is "relegation form."
It also claims the Villa players are "seeming to be in open revolt" following Sunday's 2-1 defeat at Newcastle.
The statement reads: "We have played 24 games this season, we have won six! Is this good enough? No. This is relegation form. Alex McLeish is not the man to lead Aston Villa.
"He had a full pre-season, was given £20million (approximately) to spend and has players of the calibre of Darren Bent, Gabby Agbonlahor and Stephen Ireland to work with (also the most promising batch of home-grown players produced in years).
"Despite all this, we find ourselves 13th in the table and without a home win since Bonfire Night (November 5).
"Now after the debacle of Sunday, with the players now seeming to be in open revolt, the future is looking very bleak indeed.
"We need to act now before it is too late and the unthinkable happens.
"If you support this, please join us 3pm on Sunday, Trinity Road Stand by the McGregor Statue. If you don't then please ignore this."
Some sections of supporters were unhappy when McLeish made the switch from local rivals Birmingham to replace Gerard Houllier last summer.
But it remains to be seen whether there will be substantial tangible support for the proposed protest on Sunday.
Villa sold Ashley Young and Stewart Downing for a combined £35million to Manchester United and Liverpool respectively last summer.
They spent around £17million in signing Charles N'Zogbia, Shay Given and Alan Hutton plus Jermaine Jenas on loan from Tottenham.
McLeish was aware of the constraints he was under and often admitted he has been instructed to reduce the "astronomical" wage bill by club owner Randy Lerner.
The former Rangers boss has also conceded this is a season of transition for the midlands club but remains convinced he is the right man at the helm to eventually revive Villa's fortunes.
I'm not a McLeish fan but this won't help!
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So protesting by turning up to the game and meeting at a place they were going to be at anyway. Sheeesh Randy must be worried. All this achieves is fans booing the team at home when really they need support. Counterproductive.
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Oh, no:
Before we get abused and told we are not "real fans" for doing this, how can you call yourself a FAN if you are prepared to do nothing and watch OUR GREAT club fail
I hate that "how can you be a real fan" argument whatever the context it is used in.
How can you call yourself a FAN if you disagree wit ME? Jesus what a crock of shit.
The mentality seems to be that everyone has the same opinion, but only the 'real fans' care enough to do something about. It totally preculdes the possibility that they are 100% wrong in their opinion, surprisingly.
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This is all about thick people seeking attention and nothing to do with what is the right thing for the Villa.
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"If you support this, please join us 3pm on Sunday, Trinity Road Stand by the McGregor Statue. If you don't then please ignore this."
That's my favourite line in the whole piece. 'If you don't.... please ignore this.' Genius.
I can understand why some are unhappy - I'm pretty deflated about things myself, though I'd expected things to happen this way - but I honestly don't see the point of a protest. I'll bet the owners and management are more than happy at what McLeish has done so far.
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This is all about thick people seeking attention and nothing to do with what is the right thing for the Villa.
Perfectly summarised.
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This is all about thick people seeking attention and nothing to do with what is the right thing for the Villa.
Perfectly summarised.
It can only be counterproductive. It'll put the manager, coaches and players on edge (even more so than usual at home, maybe) and some of the fans hostile.
How can this possibly help the team?
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This is all about thick people seeking attention and nothing to do with what is the right thing for the Villa.
You obviously just don't care about the club 8)
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Well thank goodness for that. I was struggling to remember the date of a) Bonfire Night and b) Villa's last home win, so was delighted to see "(November 5)"....
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I bet most of them will be wearing tracksuit bottoms with white socks and shoes.
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This is all about thick people seeking attention and nothing to do with what is the right thing for the Villa.
Perfectly summarised.
It can only be counterproductive. It'll put the manager, coaches and players on edge (even more so than usual at home, maybe) and some of the fans hostile.
How can this possibly help the team?
Nothing can help the team. They will be playing Man City.
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This is all about thick people seeking attention and nothing to do with what is the right thing for the Villa.
Perfectly summarised.
It can only be counterproductive. It'll put the manager, coaches and players on edge (even more so than usual at home, maybe) and some of the fans hostile.
How can this possibly help the team?
Nothing can help the team. They will be playing Man City.
*chuckle*
Maybe air cover? Or mining certain areas of the pitch.
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This is all about thick people seeking attention and nothing to do with what is the right thing for the Villa.
Perfectly summarised.
It can only be counterproductive. It'll put the manager, coaches and players on edge (even more so than usual at home, maybe) and some of the fans hostile.
How can this possibly help the team?
Nothing can help the team. They will be playing Man City.
Well, yes. While I agree with that, if we come out at them and play attaking football (as we can) then we could at least keep the scoreline down and hold our heads up. With this hanging over us, we could have another Liverpool at home game.
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I suggest we deploy the emergency Brumbella.
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This is all about thick people seeking attention and nothing to do with what is the right thing for the Villa.
Perfectly summarised.
It can only be counterproductive. It'll put the manager, coaches and players on edge (even more so than usual at home, maybe) and some of the fans hostile.
How can this possibly help the team?
Nothing can help the team. They will be playing Man City.
That's the spirit.
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I invite all PROPER fans to join me at 3pm on Sunday at The McGregor Statue for an anti protest protest.
The plan is to stand around in the cold looking silly and embarrassed for fifty minutes before entering the ground.
Let's face it that's a better idea than sitting in a nice warm pub having a drink with your mates and then going to the match to give our team the vocal support it needs.
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I invite all PROPER fans to join me at 3pm on Sunday at The McGregor Statue for an anti protest protest.
The plan is to stand around in the cold looking silly and embarrassed for fifty minutes before entering the ground.
Let's face it that's a better idea than sitting in a nice warm pub having a drink with your mates and then going to the match to give our team the vocal support it needs.
Proper fans? A load of the Proper, Super, Best fans in the world won't be there, they won't step foot in Villa Park while McLeish is there you see.
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Some of the protestors are about to be interviewed on talk shite.
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Chris heard? 'it's nothing to do with the fact that he's come from blose, it's what he's done, or hasn't done at villa'.
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'he was given £20 million pounds to spend.'
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Chris heard?
See even the players are revolting now McLeish is taking us down!
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Protest is because players are starting to turn.
If he's lost dressing room , fear the worst.
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Can't believe he's complaining about the "splits" with the fans.
This is embarrassing.
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Not a personal vendetta, nothing against him, just what he's doing to club.
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Chris heard?
See even the players are revolting now McLeish is taking us down!
Bugger off you, you put me off me typing. :(
Chris somebody or other.
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Chris heard?
See even the players are revolting now McLeish is taking us down!
Bugger off you, you put me off me typing. :(
Chris somebody or other.
You were off by one letter, I've seen his name mentioned elsewhere over the past couple of days.
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Despite being in a similar boat, Everton fans still show up in numbers and create a great atmosphere for their team at Goodison. Their team found a way to outwork and beat Man City the other night. These pricks will only want to see us fail, which is the most ironic thing about this whole protest. Their fire is fuelled by the team losing, and they are too fucking thick to realise otherwise. That if the team wins, that means a 'nose manager wins. They can't live with that. It pisses me off no end that this serves no purpose other than to create more tension than there is already going to be.
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This should be fun...
'it's nothing to do with the fact that he's come from blose, it's what he's done, or hasn't done at villa'.
My arse.
'he was given £20 million pounds to spend.'
But we sold our two England International Wingers for £37million. We also needed to replace Luke Young, Reo Coker, Walker and Friedel of our important players last season.
Protest is because players are starting to turn. If he's lost dressing room , fear the worst.
Are they? Why no protest last season when half the squad were in open revolt? If the players are acting up again then I blame them, as I did last season. If McLeish goes, who's to say they will like the next manager? On form the overpaid wankers will play up again.
Not a personal vendetta, nothing against him, just what he's doing to club.
We were shit last season, too. No protests like this then. Is he to blame for everything shit at B6 and not the owner (who hasn't really backed his man) or the players (who seem to suffer from either bad form or bad attitudes.
Also why is this protest now? We have had some shit performances but why is the protest being planned now when the side is starting to look better and play slightly better football. Where were the protestors after the Tottenham game? We've also been nearer the bottom and had poorer results than Sunday's draw. Why now?
I'm no fan of McLeish, but I'm increasingly supporting him I don't know whether it is the more I hear from these protestors the more I start to support him or whether I have witnessed a tangible improvement in football and performances. The results weren't brilliant but we managed to show some attacking impetus sadly lacking in some of our games earlier this season against QPR and to an extent Newcastle. We are having 10+ shots where earlier on we were having 0. I just cannot fathom why the protests are happening now.
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Despite being in a similar boat, Everton fans still show up in numbers and create a great atmosphere for their team at Goodison.
Not too sure about that, Toronto.
They've been getting their lowest crowds in years this season and Goodison is probably the whiniest, most whingey crowd in the league.
They're also constantly complaining about their own leadership (board level).
Our own crowd have shown this season that they can get behind the team when given some encouragement (Arsenal and QPR, for example). It'd be great to think the crowd could lift the team spontaneously, but that doesn't happen these days.
In the two matches I cited, the team upped their game, and looked a bit bothered (for a change) and the crowd reacted superbly. Even Pat Murphy was impressed.
I don't think a handful - and I bet it's at most 50 people on this "demo" - of people refusing to respond is going to make a whole heap of difference.
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I bet no one turns up.
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Not a personal vendetta, nothing against him, just what he's doing to club.
That's why he was protesting outside Villa Park last summer in his 'We don't want McLeish' t-shirt and setting up his website last year.
I'm no fan of McLeish, but I'm increasingly supporting him I don't know whether it is the more I hear from these protesters the more I start to support him or whether I have witnessed a tangible improvement in football and performances.
For me it's a combination of the two.
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I might have a bit more sympathy if they were protesting against Lerner say, it would at least show a modicum of intelligence. But no "its that bloke that manged the other lots fault" said in a nasaly brummie accent
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Can we have a Guess the Crowd & Prediction Thread for the protest?
My GTC is 43 and Prediction is this -
3pm - The 43 are all in position singing about Small Heath.
3.03pm - The 43 are getting restless are there are so few of them and start to shout a little louder before someone decides to start a 'stampede'.
3.04pm - The 43 find themselves by Villa Village. They stop there, and start singing 'We want McLeish out', pointing the fingers at the offices above the shop.
3.07pm - More than half of the 43 have now raised their scarves over their faces as they continue to lay into the staff working above the shop.
3.12pm - They move on, making their way past the back of the North Stand, to be apprehended by Police, telling them they can't go that way.
3.13pm - After shouting at the Police, they turn away, and form an orderly queue to purchase a fanzine from a keen salesman who has sought an opportunity.
3.17pm - After spending their £2, they turn again, this time walking back towards the Trinity, before breaking up into smaller groups, having forgotten what they turned up so early for. Complaints about the cold start to go around, for which McLeish gets blames, so they start their songs again. Now, there are only about 10 left.
3.20pm - The 10 remaining Super Great Wonder Fans are queueing at the turnstile, moaning about how many people don't care about the club. They are however, proud of their bed sheet that they held.
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Can we have a Guess the Crowd & Prediction Thread for the protest?
My GTC is 43 and Prediction is this -
3pm - The 43 are all in position singing about Small Heath.
3.03pm - The 43 are getting restless are there are so few of them and start to shout a little louder before someone decides to start a 'stampede'.
3.04pm - The 43 find themselves by Villa Village. They stop there, and start singing 'We want McLeish out', pointing the fingers at the offices above the shop.
3.07pm - More than half of the 43 have now raised their scarves over their faces as they continue to lay into the staff working above the shop.
3.12pm - They move on, making their way past the back of the North Stand, to be apprehended by Police, telling them they can't go that way.
3.13pm - After shouting at the Police, they turn away, and form an orderly queue to purchase a fanzine from a keen salesman who has sought an opportunity.
3.17pm - After spending their £2, they turn again, this time walking back towards the Trinity, before breaking up into smaller groups, having forgotten what they turned up so early for. Complaints about the cold start to go around, for which McLeish gets blames, so they start their songs again. Now, there are only about 10 left.
3.20pm - The 10 remaining Super Great Wonder Fans are queueing at the turnstile, moaning about how many people don't care about the club. They are however, proud of their bed sheet that they held.
3.30pm - dazzyg arrives
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Not a personal vendetta, nothing against him, just what he's doing to club.
That's why he was protesting outside Villa Park last summer in his 'We don't want McLeish' t-shirt and setting up his website last year.
I'm no fan of McLeish, but I'm increasingly supporting him I don't know whether it is the more I hear from these protesters the more I start to support him or whether I have witnessed a tangible improvement in football and performances.
For me it's a combination of the two.
Point 1 - That's where I recognised the name from. I thought I'd seen that fantastic website before the other day, surely he should be busy working for his Web Design company? Guestbook, ffs.
Point 2 - I'm increasingly impressed with the bottle of the man. He doesn't seem to be letting the pressure get to him in the slightest.
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Can we have a Guess the Crowd & Prediction Thread for the protest?
My GTC is 43 and Prediction is this -
3pm - The 43 are all in position singing about Small Heath.
3.03pm - The 43 are getting restless are there are so few of them and start to shout a little louder before someone decides to start a 'stampede'.
3.04pm - The 43 find themselves by Villa Village. They stop there, and start singing 'We want McLeish out', pointing the fingers at the offices above the shop.
3.07pm - More than half of the 43 have now raised their scarves over their faces as they continue to lay into the staff working above the shop.
3.12pm - They move on, making their way past the back of the North Stand, to be apprehended by Police, telling them they can't go that way.
3.13pm - After shouting at the Police, they turn away, and form an orderly queue to purchase a fanzine from a keen salesman who has sought an opportunity.
3.17pm - After spending their £2, they turn again, this time walking back towards the Trinity, before breaking up into smaller groups, having forgotten what they turned up so early for. Complaints about the cold start to go around, for which McLeish gets blames, so they start their songs again. Now, there are only about 10 left.
3.20pm - The 10 remaining Super Great Wonder Fans are queueing at the turnstile, moaning about how many people don't care about the club. They are however, proud of their bed sheet that they held.
3.30pm - dazzyg arrives
....armed with another BED sheet.............
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If the Ginge has lost the dressing room, I hope Warnock, Collins, Heskey, Dunne are lost forever. I also would like any player who does not give 100% for Aston Villa to be got rid of. Pissed off hearing about players revolt etc. If it's the same players as last time F,,, m off.
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3.20pm - The 10 remaining Super Great Wonder Fans are waiting for the bus home, moaning about how many people don't care about the club. They are however, proud of their bed sheet that they held.
Fixed it for you.
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Can we have a Guess the Crowd & Prediction Thread for the protest?
My GTC is 43 and Prediction is this -
3pm - The 43 are all in position singing about Small Heath.
3.03pm - The 43 are getting restless are there are so few of them and start to shout a little louder before someone decides to start a 'stampede'.
3.04pm - The 43 find themselves by Villa Village. They stop there, and start singing 'We want McLeish out', pointing the fingers at the offices above the shop.
3.07pm - More than half of the 43 have now raised their scarves over their faces as they continue to lay into the staff working above the shop.
3.12pm - They move on, making their way past the back of the North Stand, to be apprehended by Police, telling them they can't go that way.
3.13pm - After shouting at the Police, they turn away, and form an orderly queue to purchase a fanzine from a keen salesman who has sought an opportunity.
3.17pm - After spending their £2, they turn again, this time walking back towards the Trinity, before breaking up into smaller groups, having forgotten what they turned up so early for. Complaints about the cold start to go around, for which McLeish gets blames, so they start their songs again. Now, there are only about 10 left.
3.20pm - The 10 remaining Super Great Wonder Fans are queueing at the turnstile, moaning about how many people don't care about the club. They are however, proud of their bed sheet that they held.
3.30pm - dazzyg arrives
Very good.
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3.20pm - The 10 remaining Super Great Wonder Fans are waiting for the bus home, moaning about how many people don't care about the club. They are however, proud of their bed sheet that they held.
Fixed it for you.
Like it.
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I was quite impressed with McLeish's demeanour on Sunday: he was engaged, passionate and prepared to have a go at players that did not play to his script. And, by and large, the team played okay (defensive idiocy aside).
Yes, his substitutions have been suspect at times and he has seemed to stumble across the value of palying Herd and then Clark alongside Petrov as the midfield. His biggest problem was that he prioritised buying N'Zog over a couple of decent centre backs in the close-season.
The point is, we have McL at the moment: why shoot his legs away at tihis crucial time in the season when the
chairman is unlikely to get rid?
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Who's let the morons out this time?
Mcgrath sake at least give the guy a season.....
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3.20pm - The 10 remaining Super Great Wonder Fans are waiting for the bus home, moaning about how many people don't care about the club. They are however, proud of their bed sheet that they held.
Fixed it for you.
Nicely done.
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I thought this was a wind-up, there's actually a protest? Christ. Go and have a beer before the game and then go and support your team, you'll feel much better.
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His biggest problem was that he prioritised buying N'Zog over a couple of decent centre backs in the close-season.
To be fair to him, he had Dunne and Collins, who had formed an excellent partnership that, it seemed at the time, Houllier had messed up.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the summer's priority was replacing Ash and/or Downing.
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I thought this was a wind-up, there's actually a protest? Christ. Go and have a beer before the game and then go and support your team, you'll feel much better.
Exactly.
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It's at times like this I recall Henry Rollins' advice to Morrissey:
"Go for a walk, get some sunshine, get some vitamin C. Get a girlfriend, get a James Brown CD, GET OVER IT!"
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The worst thing about this is people on both sides making out their the better fan, as a fan of Villa we all have a choice in how we react to things that happen to our club! Some may become alcoholics some may boo for 90 minutes every fortnight others might just stay away altogether but I'm guessing they all love the Villa!
One thing that does piss me off is people saying that the protesters will embrace "us", at the end of the day who cares what others think? It's something that has been aimed at the Brigada lads a few times. At the end of the day what our fans do at our club has fuck to do with Mancs, Scousers or the Noses across the city.
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The worst thing about this is people on both sides making out their the better fan, as a fan of Villa we all have a choice in how we react to things that happen to our club! Some may become alcoholics some may boo for 90 minutes every fortnight others might just stay away altogether but I'm guessing they all love the Villa!
One thing that does piss me off is people saying that the protesters will embrace "us", at the end of the day who cares what others think? It's something that has been aimed at the Brigada lads a few times. At the end of the day what our fans do at our club has fuck to do with Mancs, Scousers or the Noses across the city.
I'm not having the smelly little tramps embracing me.
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The worst thing about this is people on both sides making out their the better fan, as a fan of Villa we all have a choice in how we react to things that happen to our club! Some may become alcoholics some may boo for 90 minutes every fortnight others might just stay away altogether but I'm guessing they all love the Villa!
One thing that does piss me off is people saying that the protesters will embrace "us", at the end of the day who cares what others think? It's something that has been aimed at the Brigada lads a few times. At the end of the day what our fans do at our club has fuck to do with Mancs, Scousers or the Noses across the city.
I'm not having the smelly little tramps embracing me.
Just beat me to it, Chris.
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OCCUPY VILLA VILLAGE
Idiots. This is perhaps one of the reasons that persuade me that McLeish should go though, we could win the European Cup and he still wouldn't win over a large majority of the fans, and until he goes attendances will continue to plummet; though maybe we're better off without these uninformed fools embarrassing our club.
I swear to god I've heard people at the Villa blaming McLeish for the exits of Downing and Young.
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I've just looked on there and this comment struck me:
"I've never seen us so low down in the table"
Think about it.
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I've just looked on there and this comment struck me:
"I've never seen us so low down in the table"
Think about it.
Well for a start we finished 16th under O'Leary in 2006. I get a strong feeling that these idiots only realised they were 'true Villa fans' after we started performing well under O'Neil.
I bet they don't even know who Juan Pablo Angel is.
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We would have been below 13th last season at points too? And we've probably been lower earlier this one too.
Must have a very short attention span.
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I'm pretty sure we were lower last January.
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His biggest problem was that he prioritised buying N'Zog over a couple of decent centre backs in the close-season.
To be fair to him, he had Dunne and Collins, who had formed an excellent partnership that, it seemed at the time, Houllier had messed up.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the summer's priority was replacing Ash and/or Downing.
Well, we all see different things, John. I never saw wingers as the priority since we had Albrighton and also some talent through the middle. Collins was my biggest concern in the close season; that and a defensive MF.
But, as you imply, maybe my mind is post-rationalising stuff.
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I'm listening to Drive on 5Live and they've just done an interview with a biologist that has discovered that cabbages can communicate with one another.
I think we could have told them where to look for living proof.
By the way the story about cabbages was real.
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I thought this was a wind-up, there's actually a protest? Christ. Go and have a beer before the game and then go and support your team, you'll feel much better.
I'm appalled to see someone advocating underage drinking. You should be ashamed.
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I've just looked on there and this comment struck me:
"I've never seen us so low down in the table"
Think about it.
Beat me to it Dave - that one jumped out at me too. Some great piss-takes of our friend DozeyG on there as well, but the best comment I saw was 'Fuck off you ******' from someone called bigeck@avfc.co.uk
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Discussing the protest on TalkSport now, here comes the embarrassment...
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Out to play again. I'm just gutted I'm not a real fan.
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I’m sure most of you have seen the reports in the papers today regarding imminent protests this Sunday before the Man City game. Normally I ignore this kind of thing as a few protests have been supposedly organised recently but nothing has come to pass. However in light of the media coverage I felt some sort of response necessary.
Is this really the time for this? Are things really at the point of protest?
At the moment, after 24 games we are sitting in 13th place, which is higher than last season. We are 8 points above the drop zone and not really much sign of us being dragged into a relegation scrap. We are only 5 points behind 8th place in the league.
Much of the ill feeling is directed at Alex McLeish and I’m afraid it all stems down to where he came from. Stats support the fact that he has a better record to Houllier last season and a record that is on par with O’Neil’s first season. I don’t remember any protests taking place back then.
In the statement issued by the protesters they state the following
‘He had a full pre-season, was given £20m (approx) to spend and has players of the calibre of Darren Bent, Gabby Agbonlahor and Stephen Ireland to work with (also the most promising batch of home-grown players produced in years).
Just to address this. I can only add up 18.5 million pounds worth of purchases. In the current market that does not even begin to scratch the surface. Darren Bent has proven time and time again that he is a proven goal scorer but the fact is he has continued scoring recently despite the main channels of supply (Young & Downing) being sold. Agbonlahor and Ireland, I actually thing McLeish has done well in returning these players to form. Certainly something that the previous manager was unable to do!
What do these protesters actually hope to achieve? The sacking of McLeish? Please tell me which top flight manager is available to take his place.
These people will say in a seductive manner ‘if you’re a real fan you will go and protest because how can you watch your club decline?
I say how can you go to the protest and help contribute to any potential decline by sticking the knife in? The image at of the club is not great at the moment, how do these people expect anyone of any good calibre to join a club where the fans have treated their last two managers with nothing but contempt and have a record of booing their own players. I believe David Moyes said publicly that he would never come to Villa because of how the fans treated Houllier.
I’m not denying that there are some issues that need working out, but recently we have been seeing progress on the pitch. In the last 8 games we have scored 15 goals. That is not the stat of a defensive manager, especially when you consider the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal are included in that run.
At this time we need to be uniting as fans, not further dividing. Not protesting, look at the state Blackburn fans have gotten themselves into. They are now laughed at on a daily basis.
Get behind the club, get behind the team. It is no coincidence that the away form is vastly superior to the home form, due to the never say die mentality of our brilliant away fans. We need to take that into the ground at Villa Park. Stop booing the players. Stop crying about what we have not got and what has been! Look at what we have got and push the team forward!!
That’s how this team moves forward, with loud vocal support at Villa Park. Some games we will lose, some we will win! But we need to do it together!!
WE ARE VILLANS!!
BE THE 12TH MAN!
Thanks for reading
Proud to be a Villan
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Well said Legion.
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If the Ginge has lost the dressing room, I hope Warnock, Collins, Heskey, Dunne are lost forever. I also would like any player who does not give 100% for Aston Villa to be got rid of. Pissed off hearing about players revolt etc. If it's the same players as last time F,,, m off.
He won't've lost Heskey.
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Thanks for that, lee. Posted on my Facebook.
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what about us who cant be arsed to go to the game because its to cold,
how can we join in while sitting in front of the telly ?
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what about us who cant be arsed to go to the game because its to cold,
how can we join in while sitting in front of the telly ?
Keyboard warriors. That's what you can be. The harder you hit the keyboard the bigger the vote for McLeish out. Sorted.
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Well said Legion.
I wish. Posted with permission from 'Proud to be a Villan' on FB.
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So as soon as Sky SportsTv comes on sunday at the game , the cameras will be upon these morons . That's great for the club , more bad publicity , the media will love it.
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Do you really think anyone will turn up?
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Do you really think anyone will turn up?
There is always idiots . Plenty of them
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what about us who cant be arsed to go to the game because its to cold,
how can we join in while sitting in front of the telly ?
Keyboard warriors. That's what you can be. The harder you hit the keyboard the bigger the vote for McLeish out. Sorted.
i didnt know that, gona start banging harder now ;D
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There were last time. None turned up. They still haven't noticed the irony of their initial meeting place.
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A quick look at a few other clubs message boards and they're all having a laugh at us.
I'd be pissing myself laughing too if it wasn't us.
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There is alot of Anti-AMC on facebook etc, these things do spread . They have not got nothing else to do , they wont even go through the turnstiles and watch the game , most of them.
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I found this
We was there at 10 to 3, Big Wazza told me and Dazzy G to get their early and get the chanting going, me little brother was dragged along too and all he could say was “you promised me chips” and “im hungry” any way Fart Breath Mike and his mate that doesn’t wash much Frowsty Mark came along the Trinity and the chanting started “Alex Mcleish is a ginger bluenose” that bought a laugh.
Next thing the cops showed up in two vans and we were outnumbered 32 to 8, they asked who the ring leader was and we explained that Big Wazza had to go to Tescos for his mum and was running late. It was just then that Bogey Face Paul, Sewerage Bob and Spider turned up in his spider man outfit. We asked” what the fuck yer doing wearing that, its not the end of the season you know”. Spider just started running around and jumping in the air, he had obviously been at the crystal meth again. I don’t think spider even supports The Villa, in fact the bloke is so off his face I don’t think he even watches football. Then Fat Dave and Stupid Frank turned up with a banner with Alex Mcleish in a Blues Shirt, well it was supposed to be Alex Mcleish but it looked like Mr Burns off the Simpsons.
The lettering was great though GET BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG and there was a drawing of a Pig in a pen with ST Andrews written at the bottom,although it looked more like a pink cow.
Eventually Big Wozza came running along out of breath with his arms full of leaflets but tripped over on the curb and the leaflets got blown all over the place. The last thing we heard as he was put in the back of the police transit was “get those fucking leaflets handed out” no one moved so I took me brother to get some chips.
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Hey Dwayne , you going into watch the game.
No mate , Im off home to watch it on the TV , I nicked from dixons in the riots...
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There is alot of Anti-AMC on facebook etc, these things do spread . They have not got nothing else to do , they wont even go through the turnstiles and watch the game , most of them.
The people who post on the Villa Facebook pages really annoy me.
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There were last time. None turned up. They still haven't noticed the irony of their initial meeting place.
How many were at that first ' we dont want McLeish' protest . About 50 ?
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There were last time. None turned up. They still haven't noticed the irony of their initial meeting place.
How many were at that first ' we dont want McLeish' protest . About 50 ?
In fairness the one during the Summer before we even signed the bloke had a few thousand.
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I found this
We was there at 10 to 3, Big Wazza told me and Dazzy G to get their early and get the chanting going, me little brother was dragged along too and all he could say was “you promised me chips” and “im hungry” any way Fart Breath Mike and his mate that doesn’t wash much Frowsty Mark came along the Trinity and the chanting started “Alex Mcleish is a ginger bluenose” that bought a laugh.
Next thing the cops showed up in two vans and we were outnumbered 32 to 8, they asked who the ring leader was and we explained that Big Wazza had to go to Tescos for his mum and was running late. It was just then that Bogey Face Paul, Sewerage Bob and Spider turned up in his spider man outfit. We asked” what the fuck yer doing wearing that, its not the end of the season you know”. Spider just started running around and jumping in the air, he had obviously been at the crystal meth again. I don’t think spider even supports The Villa, in fact the bloke is so off his face I don’t think he even watches football. Then Fat Dave and Stupid Frank turned up with a banner with Alex Mcleish in a Blues Shirt, well it was supposed to be Alex Mcleish but it looked like Mr Burns off the Simpsons.
The lettering was great though GET BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG and there was a drawing of a Pig in a pen with ST Andrews written at the bottom,although it looked more like a pink cow.
Eventually Big Wozza came running along out of breath with his arms full of leaflets but tripped over on the curb and the leaflets got blown all over the place. The last thing we heard as he was put in the back of the police transit was “get those fucking leaflets handed out” no one moved so I took me brother to get some chips.
Had me laughing out loud. Well done.
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There is alot of Anti-AMC on facebook etc, these things do spread . They have not got nothing else to do , they wont even go through the turnstiles and watch the game , most of them.
The people who post on the Villa Facebook pages really annoy me.
I unjoined (is that the correct word) there about a month after I joined. Horrible place. Seemed full of anti villa everything.
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Somebody has mentioned that McLeish has taken the 'sole' out of the club. Anyone who is not with them is requested to get back to Small Heath and are 'small timers'.
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Somebody has mentioned that McLeish has taken the 'sole' out of the club. Anyone who is not with them is requested to get back to Small Heath and are 'small timers'.
Really? I may have to rejoin and see what's going on.
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Somebody has mentioned that McLeish has taken the 'sole' out of the club. Anyone who is not with them is requested to get back to Small Heath and are 'small timers'.
Maybe they meant small tunas.
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I found this
We was there at 10 to 3, Big Wazza told me and Dazzy G to get their early and get the chanting going, me little brother was dragged along too and all he could say was “you promised me chips” and “im hungry” any way Fart Breath Mike and his mate that doesn’t wash much Frowsty Mark came along the Trinity and the chanting started “Alex Mcleish is a ginger bluenose” that bought a laugh.
Next thing the cops showed up in two vans and we were outnumbered 32 to 8, they asked who the ring leader was and we explained that Big Wazza had to go to Tescos for his mum and was running late. It was just then that Bogey Face Paul, Sewerage Bob and Spider turned up in his spider man outfit. We asked” what the fuck yer doing wearing that, its not the end of the season you know”. Spider just started running around and jumping in the air, he had obviously been at the crystal meth again. I don’t think spider even supports The Villa, in fact the bloke is so off his face I don’t think he even watches football. Then Fat Dave and Stupid Frank turned up with a banner with Alex Mcleish in a Blues Shirt, well it was supposed to be Alex Mcleish but it looked like Mr Burns off the Simpsons.
The lettering was great though GET BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG and there was a drawing of a Pig in a pen with ST Andrews written at the bottom,although it looked more like a pink cow.
Eventually Big Wozza came running along out of breath with his arms full of leaflets but tripped over on the curb and the leaflets got blown all over the place. The last thing we heard as he was put in the back of the police transit was “get those fucking leaflets handed out” no one moved so I took me brother to get some chips.
Marvellous.
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Somebody has mentioned that McLeish has taken the 'sole' out of the club. Anyone who is not with them is requested to get back to Small Heath and are 'small timers'.
Misspelling of 'Soul' makes this, perhaps they reckon someone's been nicking Zoggy's boots?
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There were last time. None turned up. They still haven't noticed the irony of their initial meeting place.
How many were at that first ' we dont want McLeish' protest . About 50 ?
In fairness the one during the Summer before we even signed the bloke had a few thousand.
thats the one .
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There is alot of Anti-AMC on facebook etc, these things do spread . They have not got nothing else to do , they wont even go through the turnstiles and watch the game , most of them.
The people who post on the Villa Facebook pages really annoy me.
I unjoined (is that the correct word) there about a month after I joined. Horrible place. Seemed full of anti villa everything.
It's just a page full of teenagers from Eastern Europe who can barely spell the club name and 30 year old blokes called "Chaz AVFC 4 LIFE Birk" who have no other purpose but to name every conceivable scapegoat they can, who at the moments seems to be McLeish or Bent.
The only thing I find moderately understandable and actually agree with is the abuse towards the full backs, even though I don't think that Hutton's been as bad as people are making out in the last few weeks.
Pathetic is what it is.
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I noticed the times on the comments are 6 hours behind GMT.
Anyway, lovely site, I posted my thought on there................
I've been following the Villa for 45 years and this bluenose Mcleish hasnt a clue. I expected him to be winning us a European Cup but he hasn't even won us the 3rd division championship yet ! I've heard he has pictures of Trevor Francis and Johnny Vincent on his bedroom wall, and Barry Fry is on his Xmas card list. Scandalous ! When do we march ? I will get down early and dont worry, I wont be going in the ground for the game - I wont step inside Villa Park again until Billy McNeill is re-instated. This would never have happened with Sir Herbert still in charge. Bloody yanks !
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This is what you get when you have young. uneducated, small minded fuckwits for fans whose hatred for Blues comes before the love of their own club.
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I noticed the times on the comments are 6 hours behind GMT.
Anyway, lovely site, I posted my thought on there................
I've been following the Villa for 45 years and this bluenose Mcleish hasnt a clue. I expected him to be winning us a European Cup but he hasn't even won us the 3rd division championship yet ! I've heard he has pictures of Trevor Francis and Johnny Vincent on his bedroom wall, and Barry Fry is on his Xmas card list. Scandalous ! When do we march ? I will get down early and dont worry, I wont be going in the ground for the game - I wont step inside Villa Park again until Billy McNeill is re-instated. This would never have happened with Sir Herbert still in charge. Bloody yanks !
Very good, ALinA. Liking it.
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This is what you get when you have young. uneducated, small minded fuckwits for fans whose hatred for Blues comes before the love of their own club.
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Trouble is,they are not all so young. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, of course, but to do this immediately before a crucial (as are all games i know) game is ridiculous. They'll be glad if we do lose, which we probably will against the team in form and top of the league, so they can gloat.
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This is what you get when you have young. uneducated, small minded fuckwits for fans whose hatred for Blues comes before the love of their own club.
I do think over the last decade some of our fans have become obsessed with them. It was never like that before, the Rags were just laughed at and generally ignored. Most of our songs are now about them. Obviously the Rags only exist to hate us but I really fail to understand why some of our fans give them so much importance.
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There will be a few more at this protest unfortunatley, mainly because of the tv cameras and because it'll give the protesters chance to wave at their 'bro's and ring them on their mobile phones innit.
Judging by the unproffessional childish mess Jazzy G has made in putting his point of view across on here, i can only presume all his fellow clan are of the same ilk. It's very sad.
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Well if it happens, I'll be repeating "Heroes and Villains. New issue out today. The Villa fanzine. Only £2. Support your team." at the top of my voice ad nauseum.
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Well if it happens, I'll be repeating "Heroes and Villains. New issue out today. The Villa fanzine. Only £2. Support your team." at the top of my voice ad nauseum.
It's a great day to try to increase sales, Heroes & Villains mag for REAL fans.
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Seen this post on there,
AM is a tactical dimwit. Not once has he played a midfielder or anyone else out of position at right-back. He also doesn't sound Irish or look like Martin O'Neill
2012-02-08 10:05:22, Chris Smith, csmith34@blueyonder.co.uk,, With you all the way, 38,
is this why Chris Smith hasn't put anything on here yet.
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I found this
We was there at 10 to 3, Big Wazza told me and Dazzy G to get their early and get the chanting going, me little brother was dragged along too and all he could say was “you promised me chips” and “im hungry” any way Fart Breath Mike and his mate that doesn’t wash much Frowsty Mark came along the Trinity and the chanting started “Alex Mcleish is a ginger bluenose” that bought a laugh.
Next thing the cops showed up in two vans and we were outnumbered 32 to 8, they asked who the ring leader was and we explained that Big Wazza had to go to Tescos for his mum and was running late. It was just then that Bogey Face Paul, Sewerage Bob and Spider turned up in his spider man outfit. We asked” what the fuck yer doing wearing that, its not the end of the season you know”. Spider just started running around and jumping in the air, he had obviously been at the crystal meth again. I don’t think spider even supports The Villa, in fact the bloke is so off his face I don’t think he even watches football. Then Fat Dave and Stupid Frank turned up with a banner with Alex Mcleish in a Blues Shirt, well it was supposed to be Alex Mcleish but it looked like Mr Burns off the Simpsons.
The lettering was great though GET BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG and there was a drawing of a Pig in a pen with ST Andrews written at the bottom,although it looked more like a pink cow.
Eventually Big Wozza came running along out of breath with his arms full of leaflets but tripped over on the curb and the leaflets got blown all over the place. The last thing we heard as he was put in the back of the police transit was “get those fucking leaflets handed out” no one moved so I took me brother to get some chips.
very good Rich
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Of course it will all be 'we want Capello' now.
There will be some interesting spellings of that name.
Cappello
Cappelo
Also Cappelo,s claret and blue army
I dread to think of what other variations they come up with.
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It didn't take them long:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Alex-McLeish-for-England-Manager/250599015017120?ref=ts
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You beat me to it.
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How does this work, ?????
There will be loads of people milling around the statue on their way into the ground
I think I'll make a protest site.
something like this!
What I would like is for everyone to go to their seat at 4 pm and support the team for christ's sake! If you are thinking about coming to VP to boo the team or individual players then don't bother coming, stay in and watch Eastenders or whatever other mindless crap you endure without a sound!
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Then Fat Dave and Stupid Frank turned up
I done a proper LOL
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From the website. Is this a wind up or what?
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7. am writing a message on my ol bed sheet for mcleish to yous at the protest on sundee before the many citee game
itz gunna say beg eck out please go home to small heath UTV
Ill bring sum crayola and biros to the protest if anyone needs um
2012-02-08 15:42:37, Louise bbz, Chelmsley Wood,
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Seen this post on there,
AM is a tactical dimwit. Not once has he played a midfielder or anyone else out of position at right-back. He also doesn't sound Irish or look like Martin O'Neill
2012-02-08 10:05:22, Chris Smith, csmith34@blueyonder.co.uk,, With you all the way, 38,
is this why Chris Smith hasn't put anything on here yet.
No, it's because I'm ill you prat and because I'm in favour of giving McLeish a fair crack of the whip. He's a decent man.
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From the website. Is this a wind up or what?
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7. am writing a message on my ol bed sheet for mcleish to yous at the protest on sundee before the many citee game
itz gunna say beg eck out please go home to small heath UTV
Ill bring sum crayola and biros to the protest if anyone needs um
2012-02-08 15:42:37, Louise bbz, Chelmsley Wood,
I would say it probably is.
Own up, who's guilty?
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This is better.
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18. Get behind the team!
You gutless bunch of whining little ninnies! How is standing about on the carpark waving sheets going to help? It makes us look stupid and pathetic.
We are likely to get torn to shreds by Man City this weekend, and the boys need all the help we can give them.
Whatever happened to us being the twelfth man?
Get behind the team!
2012-02-08 15:10:36, Nige the Impaler, nige.impaler277@hotmail.com, Selly Oak, 37,
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This is better.
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18. Get behind the team!
You gutless bunch of whining little ninnies! How is standing about on the carpark waving sheets going to help? It makes us look stupid and pathetic.
We are likely to get torn to shreds by Man City this weekend, and the boys need all the help we can give them.
Whatever happened to us being the twelfth man?
Get behind the team!
2012-02-08 15:10:36, Nige the Impaler, nige.impaler277@hotmail.com, Selly Oak, 37,
Jeez who uses the word "ninnies" these days?
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This is better.
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18. Get behind the team!
You gutless bunch of whining little ninnies! How is standing about on the carpark waving sheets going to help? It makes us look stupid and pathetic.
We are likely to get torn to shreds by Man City this weekend, and the boys need all the help we can give them.
Whatever happened to us being the twelfth man?
Get behind the team!
2012-02-08 15:10:36, Nige the Impaler, nige.impaler277@hotmail.com, Selly Oak, 37,
Jeez who uses the word "ninnies" these days?
My guess is it's one of those tie wearing Trinity Roadians.
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whining little ninnies!
Marvellous.
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Something on twitter about McLeish resigning apparently. Twitter is such shite.
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Something on twitter about McLeish resigning apparently. Twitter is such shite.
It's a false account made to look like the Avfc official account. Ignore.
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As previously stated. Twitter is wank. That is all.
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The fan supposedly behind the website was wearing an anti-McLeish shirt and protesting before a ball was kicked this season. Which says it all. If enough of them huddle together, they might have a chance of staying warm.
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The fan supposedly behind the website was wearing an anti-McLeish shirt and protesting before a ball was kicked this season. Which says it all. If enough of them huddle together, they might have a chance of staying warm.
That's the one. Surrounded by a load of kids on school holidays.
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The fan supposedly behind the website was wearing an anti-McLeish shirt and protesting before a ball was kicked this season. Which says it all. If enough of them huddle together, they might have a chance of staying warm.
Apparently yes, and he was the one climbing the gates at the north end car park yet on talkshite today he said it had nothing to do with mcLeish being the ex Blose manager. No, of course not.
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This is better.
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18. Get behind the team!
You gutless bunch of whining little ninnies! How is standing about on the carpark waving sheets going to help? It makes us look stupid and pathetic.
We are likely to get torn to shreds by Man City this weekend, and the boys need all the help we can give them.
Whatever happened to us being the twelfth man?
Get behind the team!
2012-02-08 15:10:36, Nige the Impaler, nige.impaler277@hotmail.com, Selly Oak, 37,
Jeez who uses the word "ninnies" these days?
Gadzooks, who uses the word "Jeez"?
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This is better.
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18. Get behind the team!
You gutless bunch of whining little ninnies! How is standing about on the carpark waving sheets going to help? It makes us look stupid and pathetic.
We are likely to get torn to shreds by Man City this weekend, and the boys need all the help we can give them.
Whatever happened to us being the twelfth man?
Get behind the team!
2012-02-08 15:10:36, Nige the Impaler, nige.impaler277@hotmail.com, Selly Oak, 37,
Jeez who uses the word "ninnies" these days?
Gadzooks, who uses the word "Jeez"?
Crikey, who uses the word "Gadzooks"?
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Cripes, who uses the word gadzooks?
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Verily anyone who says gadzooks needs a jolly good biffing
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Your all making such a hullabaloo over this
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Then Fat Dave and Stupid Frank turned up
I done a proper LOL
You should be there Damon, interviewing this lot.
'Now over to Damon Green live at Villa Park'
Damon to mouthbreather " Why the protest ?"
Mouthbreather " E's from the ovver side of the city, the city is ours and e's ginger s***t on the city tonight"
Damon
"Well studio, that's all from a cold Villa Park - him and the other 15 protesters have gone to a public house called The Adventurers now to talk further about their next plan of action, back to you in London"
Oh dear.
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Oddsbodkins! What a palaver!
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i rekon we shud get rid of mcleesh and give the job to that Favo Clapeo bloke who resined from the ingerland.
there's 3 reesons........1. he's not ginger. 2. he's not scotch. 3. he didn't manage da bloose.
this makes him perfick for the job of manging our grate atson viller.
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had my firrst look at protest site, some of the abuse from the noses is quite witty!
i think it is a good idea to have a guestbook where people are allowed to vent their spleen over the villa and provide a platform to let others take the piss. Well Done to the site owner!
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There are some veritable vagabonds on that site.
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There are some veritable vagabonds on that site.
Just taken a look. You're right. Some of the posts and email addresses are brilliant.
Well done to those responsible.
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I think the whole thing is the work of Jesuitic agents provocateurs, designed deliberately to precipitate discontent in order to identify, arrest and liquidate those fomenting sedition.
Or, failing that, it's just Fat Dave and Stupid Frank
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Stupid is about right.
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Lookslike the Guest Book has gone. They have modified the site claiming the they 'gave him a chance' with reference to McLeish. I could ride a coach and horsrs through that statement but will not bother other than to say what bollocks it is.
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In an attempt to be rational about McLeish, he inherited a team which had just lost its two best players and wasn't given the proceeds to re-invest in proper replacements.
He could go 'shit or bust' about how we play, but that could be suicidal and he can't go defensive as we have such a crap defence, again inherited.
So, like any Manager without funds he's stuck.
The difference (at this point in tie at B6) comes in the evidential motivational ability ( this is where MON scores) and I'm not sure he has enough of that.
He is a slightly dour person, likeable but dour all the same, and no John ( guitar in his office) Gregory either.
So, he a) either grabs a personality to warm to ( doubtful) or b) is given a World Class scouting team and a £100 million transfer kitty - plus the ability to pay the £100k a week demanded by top, top players and we'd be Ok I reckon.
As a) or b) are pie in the sky, he's onto a loser at VP with the fans, however, as the fans don't appoint Managers it's totally pointless ( literally in our case) in protesting about him, so GET BEHIND THE TEAM.
That's how I see it !!
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Lookslike the Guest Book has gone. They have modified the site claiming the they 'gave him a chance' with reference to McLeish. I could ride a coach and horsrs through that statement but will not bother other than to say what bollocks it is.
That's disappointing. The Guestbook here (http://mcleishin.weebly.com/) will always remain.
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Lookslike the Guest Book has gone. They have modified the site claiming the they 'gave him a chance' with reference to McLeish. I could ride a coach and horsrs through that statement but will not bother other than to say what bollocks it is.
That's disappointing. The Guestbook here (http://mcleishin.weebly.com/) will always remain.
Well done to the organisers of that site. Have the media been told or don't they want to hear from sensible people?
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Lookslike the Guest Book has gone. They have modified the site claiming the they 'gave him a chance' with reference to McLeish. I could ride a coach and horsrs through that statement but will not bother other than to say what bollocks it is.
That's disappointing. The Guestbook here (http://mcleishin.weebly.com/) will always remain.
Well done to the organisers of that site. Have the media been told or don't they want to hear from sensible people?
No interest in Media I expect. This site has more content as well I believe. The story of Mr Darren G can provide some light entertainment.
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Lookslike the Guest Book has gone. They have modified the site claiming the they 'gave him a chance' with reference to McLeish. I could ride a coach and horsrs through that statement but will not bother other than to say what bollocks it is.
Just seen the updated site. They are no longer proclaiming that those of us who won't join the protest are not proper fans.
Shame really, I quite liked being an improper fan.
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I think the following might happen. They'll continue to bang the 'McLeish Out' drum over the weekend whilst keeping an eye on the possibilty of it being 'a bit nippy', then when they get wind of a possible poor turnout, they'll cancel the protest and claim they're doing it to give the players their full support.
Or is that 'Serport'?
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In an attempt to be rational about McLeish, he inherited a team which had just lost its two best players and wasn't given the proceeds to re-invest in proper replacements.
I agree with this post.McLeish hasn't managed to motivate and get players running through walls for him-agreed, but neither did Houllier. Some of the football I've seen has been good let down by a shocking defence. If im fed up with anyone it's Randy Lerner-I'm surprised there isn't more feeling against him.He owns two clubs, both have poor records.I doubt he'd have appointed O'Neill on his own either.I wish he'd just sell up.
There are a lot of Villa fans who will never be happy which is a real shame for the club.I remember being very frustrated with the negativity aimed at John Gregory when he got Villa to the top.I really wonder what fans expect?
McLeish has got a rough deal so far in my book.He needs the chance to build his own team before being judged.
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Lookslike the Guest Book has gone. They have modified the site claiming the they 'gave him a chance' with reference to McLeish. I could ride a coach and horsrs through that statement but will not bother other than to say what bollocks it is.
That's disappointing. The Guestbook here (http://mcleishin.weebly.com/) will always remain.
Ha! That's brilliant.
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Lookslike the Guest Book has gone. They have modified the site claiming the they 'gave him a chance' with reference to McLeish. I could ride a coach and horsrs through that statement but will not bother other than to say what bollocks it is.
That's disappointing. The Guestbook here (http://mcleishin.weebly.com/) will always remain.
Ha! That's brilliant.
That really is very good.
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Superb, the Story of Mr G is a classic. They should follow it up with "Tales of the Warley Wonder".
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Lookslike the Guest Book has gone. They have modified the site claiming the they 'gave him a chance' with reference to McLeish. I could ride a coach and horsrs through that statement but will not bother other than to say what bollocks it is.
That's disappointing. The Guestbook here (http://mcleishin.weebly.com/) will always remain.
Like that a lot (http://www.a-free-guestbook.com/images/forum/45_yes.gif)