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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on February 01, 2012, 11:29:33 PM
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As annoyed as I was at Warnock's calamitous blunder, I do actually feel sorry for the guy. There was no need for the booing aimed at him.
Well done. Boo one of our players. That's really going to help, isn't it? He hardly did it on purpose. Morons.
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It was a ridiculous header (all the more perplexing considering he nearly did exactly the same against Everton) but resorting to booing your own players is mindless.'
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He's really struggling at the moment and probably needs a spell out the first team. It's obvious he's shot of confidence and fair play to him for not hiding.
Reminds me a bit of when Samuel went through a similar thing.
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He needs to be dropped. That's been clear for a while, as - with a few exceptions - he's been very poor this season. Certainly, the exceptions go nowhere near enough to outweighing the poor performances.
The problem is, we've got nobody to drop him for. Throwing Stevens in is a big ask.
I agree, booing him during the match doesn't help, but he's been so poor of late that people are just getting frustrated.
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I agree, booing is not going to help at all.
They guy has no confidence whatsoever. He's shit and needs to be dropped, but when playing, there's no point in booing him.
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He needs to toddle off with Heskey and Beye at the end of the season, he's been utter gash for quite a while now.
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I would normally agree but i just don't like the guy, especially after the rumours about how he showed gh a lack of respect. can't bel he scored that after an almost identical one against everton. not convinced he is overly bothered about the villa or regaining his form
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Hard to believe at 'the moment but I'm convinced there's a very good footballer in there somewhere but he's shot of confidence. He's never been quite the same since being rushed back from injury for the league cup final either.
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Whilst he has been pretty poor this season, scoring an own goal like that and seeing his reaction after it showed that he does have some awareness of what is happening.
The were plenty of people shouting words of encouragement to him from where I was sat in the Trinity, as to whether he heard them at that point I've no idea.
What disappointed me was that none of our players said anything to him after it happened, I'd have hoped at least our captain would have had a word with him. Again show the lack of togetherness in the squad.
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Very poor player at the moment, needs to be taken out of the firing line for
his own good and our sanity.
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Needs to be dropped. Looks in bits to my mind. Wouldn't stick a yoof player in though because its the whole back line and i don't think its fair to have a kid cope with that. Must be a half decent left-back looking for a club who can do an okay job for 5 months. I'm not sure if he's got a long term career at the villa but now he's been targeted by the boo boys its not gonna help him being exposed to the abuse, especially as they're likely to blame him for any mistake that happens now. And with that lot you know the next one is only a game away.
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I bet Hutton is pleased Warnock did that tonight.
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Wouldn't boo him (I don't like booing especially when it's one of ours) but I make no secret of the fact that I really cannot stand him. The sooner we get shot of him the better.
He hasn't performed well for us (barring one or two games) for almost two years now and seems to be getting poorer by the game. He desperately needs to get a rest for the sake of his own sanity as every error (even when like tonight I'd argue that it was a bit unlucky) will send his confidence further into subterranean levels.
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As annoyed as I was at Warnock's calamitous blunder, I do actually feel sorry for the guy. There was no need for the booing aimed at him.
Well done. Boo one of our players. That's really going to help, isn't it? He hardly did it on purpose. Morons.
Agreed. It was shameful.
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We should have signed Taye Taiwo who was playing at left-back for QPR tonight.
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We would have won 6-0 if the left backs swapped.
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He's been crap since getting into the England squad ahead of the wc over 2 years ago.
The time to pull his socks up has long since past. I have never booed a Villa player on the pitch, and I was too busy laughing to change that tonight. But I certainly don't have much regard for that wankers feelings, considering a) what I've heard about his attitude and b) the sheer length of time he's been crap for.
Get rid and good riddance.
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That being said I thought Dunne was as much as fault for the own goal tonight. Tracked the ball all the way, rose like a salmon and missed it under no pressure by at least a foot. Jesus.
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The only positive I can give Warnock tonight is that I've seen him play far worse this season.
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The only positive I can give Warnock tonight is that I've seen him play far worse this season.
If he were a horse they would have shot him long ago. Can't see how or why he should ever play for us again. Useless.
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The thing is, I really don't think he gives a f*** about the team or the club. He's a less evident Hodge like character whose ability has deserted him many years ago. It was recognized by MON and Houllier fairly quickly in their tenure. Why has AM persisted when there are more options, not far better options but better options.
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The sad thing is his recent away performances (Chelsea, Wolves when he was brought on to keep Kightly quiet) have been pretty good. He, and I daresay a few other players, get nervous at Villa Park when they know there's likely to be audible tuts and boos and abuse when they drop a bollock. As is our right. The much bandied about ''character'' in footballers, ours anyway, seems on the shaky side.
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The sad thing is his recent away performances (Chelsea, Wolves when he was brought on to keep Kightly quiet) have been pretty good. He, and I daresay a few other players, get nervous at Villa Park when they know there's likely to be audible tuts and boos and abuse when they drop a bollock. As is our right. The much bandied about ''character'' in footballers, ours anyway, seems on the shaky side.
Sorry eamonn I'm not in the mood of giving seasoned multi millionaire footballers the emotional home game get out clause just because a few more people get on their case because they are playing shit week after week and costing the team points.
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I'm not saying you should. I was trying to point out the much used word ''character'' in football to me really means not letting the fans or opposition get to your head and carry on regardless. Warnock clearly suffers from a lack of that.
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Or maybe it's a case of when confidence is low the moans and boos really do get to players? I don't recall Wright, Nelson, Charles, Samuel etc getting better when they were club fullback scapegoats either.
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The thing is, I really don't think he gives a f*** about the team or the club. He's a less evident Hodge like character whose ability has deserted him many years ago. It was recognized by MON and Houllier fairly quickly in their tenure. Why has AM persisted when there are more options, not far better options but better options.
Rubbish. I think his reaction to the o.g. contradicts your view that he doesn't give a f***. Poor bloke was devastated. I don't rate him, and he's been a liability for a long while now, but he sorted his head out enough to have a decent second half (despite being booed) and I think he deserves a bit of credit for that. And MON signed him and got at least one good year out of him, so to say "it was recognized by him fairly quickly in his tenure" is nonsense. He was one of MON's favourites. For all his many faults, MON instilled a confidence in limited players that made them play above themselves; if that confidence goes their limitations are shown up, and that's what's happening with a lot of MON signings. I'm not sympathetic exactly, they're extremely well paid sportsmen, I expect a decent level of ability and commitment from them all, but if we've got confidence players then booing them is only going to make them worse. To put him in the same bracket as Hodge is very harsh. And who are these better options? Lichaj's been injured for months. Who would you play left back?
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Warnock looked a decent left sided midfielder at Coventry and when he played there for Blackburn- hes
too easily exposed at left back though and I see no reason not to give Stevens and lichaj a run in the team- Warnock and Hutton have cost us too many games.
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That being said I thought Dunne was as much as fault for the own goal tonight. Tracked the ball all the way, rose like a salmon and missed it under no pressure by at least a foot. Jesus.
Dunne missed the ball by so much that I thought Warnock must have called him off.
After the OG, I would have liked to have seen Petrov and/or Dunne go up to Warnock and at least give him some words of encouragement.
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He's shit................
but he's our shit ...... Criticise him and Hutton all you like but until they are,taken out of the team, booing is only going to make things worse.
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What disappointed me was that none of our players said anything to him after it happened, I'd have hoped at least our captain would have had a word with him. Again show the lack of togetherness in the squad.
Didn't Given go and put an arm round him straight after ?
Mind you, we dont know what he said to him.
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That being said I thought Dunne was as much as fault for the own goal tonight. Tracked the ball all the way, rose like a salmon and missed it under no pressure by at least a foot. Jesus.
Dunne missed the ball by so much that I thought Warnock must have called him off.
After the OG, I would have liked to have seen Petrov and/or Dunne go up to Warnock and at least give him some words of encouragement.
Agree with both of these, there's a real lack of leadership.
Someone should have been straight over to him, rallying him. Keeping his head up.
I felt sorry for him, hopefully that's the worst it gets for him and he gets his act together.
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What disappointed me was that none of our players said anything to him after it happened, I'd have hoped at least our captain would have had a word with him. Again show the lack of togetherness in the squad.
Didn't Given go and put an arm round him straight after ?
Mind you, we dont know what he said to him.
Given just kinda pushed his head away
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definetly no leadership on pitch,Petrov's body language gave the impression he couldn't give a toss.
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Just watching the game again and warnocks awful crossfield pass lost possession leading to their 1st goal too- mcleish cannot continue with this defence - lets give Clark, baker lichaj and Stevens a few games before the summer and see what they can do.
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What disappointed me was that none of our players said anything to him after it happened, I'd have hoped at least our captain would have had a word with him. Again show the lack of togetherness in the squad.
Didn't Given go and put an arm round him straight after ?
Mind you, we dont know what he said to him.
Given did go up to Warnock but only after Steve had been on the floor in shock for a minute or so.
As the senior outfield players, I still think that at least one of Dunne or Petrov should have gone over to him straight away.
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definetly no leadership on pitch,Petrov's body language gave the impression he couldn't give a toss.
load of arse, stan has been one of the better players this season and his effort has been phenominal. not giving a toss is not a label you can throw at petrov!
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definetly no leadership on pitch,Petrov's body language gave the impression he couldn't give a toss.
load of arse, stan has been one of the better players this season and his effort has been phenominal. not giving a toss is not a label you can throw at petrov!
Quite.
He was excellent in the second half last night.
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Just because he played well doesn't mean he was a leader. Keane was the only leader out there last night.
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The thing is he tries, he puts in, and you could see for the rest of the game he was trying to make amends. The problem is he was rubbish before that incident and has been for a long time now, same with Hutton he was getting forward all throught he game, obviously playing to orders, they are both very ordinary players trying their hardest but will never be good enough.
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I wouldn't boo one of our players that is madness, but he does need to be dropped.
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I'll go back to it but Mcleish said he'd drop players when they were not performing on the pitch, has proved to be bollocks again, Where is this Stevens? Why not introduce him slowly? Why not play Clark at LB? Who plays there for the reserves?
Can blame the chairman as well for not investing in new Defenders in Jan when its quite obvious to everyone that our defence is fucking terrible
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I might have a bit more time for him and his shit performances, and yes they have been shit, if he wasn't such a dick when Houllier was here.
Gerard found him out and now everyone else is. I hope he realises how crap he has been, and is working his nuts off to turn it around with extra training etc. Somehow doubt it, big time Charlie.
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I'll go back to it but Mcleish said he'd drop players when they were not performing on the pitch, has proved to be bollocks again, Where is this Stevens? Why not introduce him slowly? Why not play Clark at LB? Who plays there for the reserves?
Can blame the chairman as well for not investing in new Defenders in Jan when its quite obvious to everyone that our defence is fucking terrible
He did drop Warnock a couple of games ago who then came on as sub and did a lot better. He now needs to be dropped again, for a longer time. No way should he move Clark out of midfield though. One of Stevens, Baker or Lichaj should get a chance.
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I might have a bit more time for him and his shit performances, and yes they have been shit, if he wasn't such a dick when Houllier was here.
Gerard found him out and now everyone else is. I hope he realises how crap he has been, and is working his nuts off to turn it around with extra training etc. Somehow doubt it, big time Charlie.
I think his confidence is so low he can't get his act together.
Booing him was ridiculous, like he meant to score such a great goal !!
Wayne Bridge to O'Neill's latest army looking like one we genuinely missed out on.
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Agree with you Tim however poor he is playing no excuse for booing him.
Absolutely fine to vent frustration on here though.
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Warnock needs to be taken out of the firing line for a few games as his performances are fairly poor. That own goal was shocking. Last time we had Given to thank for being alert (Everton game) but this time it was like he wanted to do one better and score which he did!
I dont agree with booing the guy during the game as its hardly going to improve his overall performance on the pitch now is it?
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As annoyed as I was at Warnock's calamitous blunder, I do actually feel sorry for the guy. There was no need for the booing aimed at him.
Well done. Boo one of our players. That's really going to help, isn't it? He hardly did it on purpose. Morons.
You say that Legion, but the gift to Swansea, the near miss against Everton, and then last night, you can;t blame people for wondering if it's mere incompetence, or a case of "Hodgenessabounds" (sorry to use the H word).
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It's so wrong to boo one of our own players I don't agree with booing them but I reckon he needs to be dropped and give somebody else a chance at left back because his form is woeful.
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It's so wrong to boo one of our own players I don't agree with booing them but I reckon he needs to be dropped and give somebody else a chance at left back because his form is woeful.
Who? Clarke ain't looked great and do you throw in the new youngster?
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It's so wrong to boo one of our own players I don't agree with booing them but I reckon he needs to be dropped and give somebody else a chance at left back because his form is woeful.
Who? Clarke ain't looked great and do you throw in the new youngster?
Someone who gives a toss is fine by me
I didn't boo him, i don't feel sorry for him though, he and Hutton are liablities, have been all season and its plain to see, neither got their acts together at any point so far. When that own goal went in I vented my frustration. I don't regret it, the o.g was horrendous from the whole defence and it was him who cost the 1st goal.
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I thought he was excellent second half and was heavily involved down the left linking well with N'zogbia.
it would be easy to drop his head and hide from the ball after the moronic booing but he kept looking for it and contributed as much as anybody else second half. You certainly cannot fault his effort and sometimes it is easier to keep a player in the team and work through the bad form. He certainly wont benefit by playing in the reserves where most teams play young players and non squad players. Before the premiership came into existence reserve team football was full of what I call proper players and that was a time when you could drop down and rediscover your form but those days have gone.
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I thought he was excellent second half and was heavily involved down the left linking well with N'zogbia.
it would be easy to drop his head and hide from the ball after the moronic booing but he kept looking for it and contributed as much as anybody else second half. You certainly cannot fault his effort and sometimes it is easier to keep a player in the team and work through the bad form. He certainly wont benefit by playing in the reserves where most teams play young players and non squad players. Before the premiership came into existence reserve team football was full of what I call proper players and that was a time when you could drop down and rediscover your form but those days have gone.
He was much better in the second half largely because he didn't have much defending to do - we were on the front foot the entire second half.
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As annoyed as I was at Warnock's calamitous blunder, I do actually feel sorry for the guy. There was no need for the booing aimed at him.
Well done. Boo one of our players. That's really going to help, isn't it? He hardly did it on purpose. Morons.
You say that Legion, but the gift to Swansea, the near miss against Everton, and then last night, you can;t blame people for wondering if it's mere incompetence, or a case of "Hodgenessabounds" (sorry to use the H word).
Personally, I just dont think he is very good at all. His reaction to the OG was one of embarrassment and not one of someone who doesn't care.
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I might have a bit more time for him and his shit performances, and yes they have been shit, if he wasn't such a dick when Houllier was here.
Gerard found him out and now everyone else is. I hope he realises how crap he has been, and is working his nuts off to turn it around with extra training etc. Somehow doubt it, big time Charlie.
I think his confidence is so low he can't get his act together.
Booing him was ridiculous, like he meant to score such a great goal !!
Wayne Bridge to O'Neill's latest army looking like one we genuinely missed out on.
I may be alone, but I think when Warnock has his head straight, he is a much better player than Bridge
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Just because he played well doesn't mean he was a leader. Keane was the only leader out there last night.
It doesn't mean that he is a leader, no - but I'd say it was unlikely that he'd be able to both play very well and play like "he couldn't give a toss".
Wayne Bridge to O'Neill's latest army looking like one we genuinely missed out on.
So that Warnock would be kept company by the one full-back in the league who looks shakier and more useless than he does?
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Needs to be dropped. Looks in bits to my mind. Wouldn't stick a yoof player in though because its the whole back line and i don't think its fair to have a kid cope with that.
Who do you suggest Greg? I only ask because someone suggested Delph on another thread and you was'nt keen. He can't be any worse than Warnock has been but i agree sticking a yoof player would'nt be wise either. There's always Clark but i think he's better suited to midfield duties. Either way, we need a new left back in the summer.
On the other side of the pitch, Hutton for me is slowly getting better, even if it is going forward. Take away that needless giving away of a corner in the first five minutes and he was'nt that bad.
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Needs to be dropped. Looks in bits to my mind. Wouldn't stick a yoof player in though because its the whole back line and i don't think its fair to have a kid cope with that.
Who do you suggest Greg? I only ask because someone suggested Delph on another thread and you was'nt keen.
Don't forget that Greg, in his infinite wisdom wants Delph in at centre-half.
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I think the problem for Warnock is his ability to respond, personally I think he's panicky, faced with a situation that needs consideration and time on the ball he lashes out as a first response.
Problem is Hutton is not much better, hence the the semi cleared ball of the Arsenal player and into the net.
So in short, put these players in the vicinity of there own goal that they have to defend, anything could happen, for me these players look like in there early days in football they where midfielder's, so had players behind them to cover, converted to the back and now they are the last line. Cool heads required.
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Anyone can make a mistake, but the most worrying thing about the og was that Warnock had done the same thing against Everton, heading a ball back to the 'keeper, and almost scored then. Did the same last night and it cost us - lesson not learned. Both he and Dunne could have just let that ball soar over their heads and out for a throw-in - there was no QPR player anywhere near them. We're not talking about kids here - one seasoned international, aged 32, and another long-standing PL defender pushing 30. Poor choices made by experienced defenders.
Options for McLeish? Even if we leave Clark in CM - which I think we should do - we have Stevens and Baker who we could play at LB. That's a brave decision though, and I don't think McLeish will make it.
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Just because he played well doesn't mean he was a leader. Keane was the only leader out there last night.
Agree, we have been missing leaders in the team for a very long time.
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That shocking error aside, Warnock didn't do too much wrong last night. Booing him doesn't help at all but I think it was the frustration of an entire season of generally poor performances.
It would be interesting to know AM's thinking on Enda Stevens as the general consensus on here is that it's too soon for him to be thrown in to the first team. So you'd like to think AM has a plan for introducing him over time - I'm just not sure I can cope with Warnock week-in, week-out until that time comes.
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When Warnock went down after a tackle in the middle of the pitch not long after the og, the bloke next but one seat to me in Trinity block B3 shouted 'hope you've broken your f******g leg Warnock'
I replied 'Idiot, why would you wish that on him?' but he carried on hurling abuse at him.
You do despair at our own fans sometimes.
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When Warnock went down after a tackle in the middle of the pitch not long after the og, the bloke next but one seat to me in Trinity block B3 shouted 'hope you've broken your f******g leg Warnock'
I replied 'Idiot, why would you wish that on him?' but he carried on hurling abuse at him.
You do despair at our own fans sometimes.
You must be near us then. I heard similar comments and replied that at least Warnock did not bottle out of the challenge as many others would have done.
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Would anyone use Warnock as a Central DM? I think he's played there before. At least his mistakes would be further up the field!
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Would anyone use Warnock as a Central DM? I think he's played there before. At least his mistakes would be further up the field!
No...he can't pass
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I have been a massive critic of Warnock on here in recent weeks but cannot condone booing him, we should never boo our own, however I can fully understand the frustrations and anger as he just gets worse and worse and costs us goals and points, he should be taken away from the first team for the forseeable future, what have we got to lose by giving either Lichaj or Baker a run in the team, something just has to be done about him and quick.
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I remember Warnock playing in midfield for Coventry & Blackburn and looking very decent.
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Fuck it. He can't be as bad at CM as he is at LB.
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When Warnock went down after a tackle in the middle of the pitch not long after the og, the bloke next but one seat to me in Trinity block B3 shouted 'hope you've broken your f******g leg Warnock'
I replied 'Idiot, why would you wish that on him?' but he carried on hurling abuse at him.
You do despair at our own fans sometimes.
I'm on the Holte and heard someone by me say the same thing. I'm sure many more said it around the ground.
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Would anyone use Warnock as a Central DM? I think he's played there before. At least his mistakes would be further up the field!
He played in midfield against us a few years ago for Blackburn at VP and scored a really good goal - at the time I remember thinking what a good player he was. I know that there's a very good footballer in there somewhere but he's clearly got a confidence crisis. Last night's howler angered me - he clearly hasn't learned from the mistake he made against Everton and even if he was unsighted, his defender's instinct should be to clear the ball and not steer it powerfully into the bottom corner.
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Talent is nothing without hunger, workrate, desire and confidence. If Stephen got Ian Taylor's heart and desire he would be loved by us.
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Would anyone use Warnock as a Central DM? I think he's played there before. At least his mistakes would be further up the field!
No...he can't pass
He could pass it to the nearest person, rather than trying to split defences.
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When Warnock went down after a tackle in the middle of the pitch not long after the og, the bloke next but one seat to me in Trinity block B3 shouted 'hope you've broken your f******g leg Warnock'
I replied 'Idiot, why would you wish that on him?' but he carried on hurling abuse at him.
You do despair at our own fans sometimes.
I'm on the Holte and heard someone by me say the same thing. I'm sure many more said it around the ground.
and all of them wankers!
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The problem we have is the question of who to replace him with. Clark is needed in midfield (as we saw against Wolves), Baker wasn't that impressive last season IMO and Stevens isn't even making the bench (which considering how much of a car crash Warnock is you'd think we'd have a back up LB on the bench. So we are probably looking at playing someone like N'Zogbia out of position or playing the free agent market (do we have the latitude wages wise?).
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The problem we have is the question of who to replace him with. Clark is needed in midfield (as we saw against Wolves), Baker wasn't that impressive last season IMO and Stevens isn't even making the bench (which considering how much of a car crash Warnock is you'd think we'd have a back up LB on the bench. So we are probably looking at playing someone like N'Zogbia out of position or playing the free agent market (do we have the latitude wages wise?).
That's the thing.
The powers that be decided that we couldn't / shouldn't buy a new one in January, so we have to make do with what we have. Which isn't a lot in that position.
Probably N'Zogbia is the most experienced as he played there for Newcastle.
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I'm not sure people questioning his commitment on the pitch are on the button. I'd say that in a game he gives his best but there's no doubt he's having a rough spell and is low on confidence. Booing him will only compound matters and he's going to be our LB until May given Clark is not a LB and Stevens is currently out of his depth at this level. As for the og, Dunne's positioning (jumping under the ball) was terribly distracting and meant the ball pretty much hit Warnock before he could adjust to the flight of the ball. Not forgiving Warnock as it wasn't clever but Dunne certainly played a major role in the disaster. Shame as I think we'd have won if had stayed 1-0.
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Needs to be dropped. Looks in bits to my mind. Wouldn't stick a yoof player in though because its the whole back line and i don't think its fair to have a kid cope with that.
Who do you suggest Greg? I only ask because someone suggested Delph on another thread and you was'nt keen.
Don't forget that Greg, in his infinite wisdom wants Delph in at centre-half.
Oh dear god.
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The thing is, I really don't think he gives a f*** about the team or the club. He's a less evident Hodge like character whose ability has deserted him many years ago. It was recognized by MON and Houllier fairly quickly in their tenure. Why has AM persisted when there are more options, not far better options but better options.
MON didn't recognize it, he played every game when fit. Infact he was rushed back from injury for the Carling cup final where the decline in his form really started.
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Warnock does need to be dropped. For who, god knows. Its a similar story as last season when Dunney was causing havoc and upsetting many people. We really have not got a lot of options in our defence have we.
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Especially now that Beye has left by mutual consent.
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Although pissed off with the OG, at least he reacted like it was a bad thing to happen. When Dunne gave the ball away against Bristol Rovers in the other round and they scored, he just shrugged his shoulders. Last night he just turned away as if the ball had gone for a goal kick. If a player cannot be pissed off at himself or even others when mistakes occur what does that show?
But going back to the actual OG, it was such a fundamental error not to be ready in case the Dunne missed it. His shape was all wrong for a ball coming a long way. But it isn't close to being his first error that lower leagues wouldn't even do. I think it was swansea when he knew Dyer was right behind him and he turned inside on his weaker foot which meant he was in less control and also meant any mistake would give Dyer the free run at goal rather then down the bylines.
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Needs to be dropped. Looks in bits to my mind. Wouldn't stick a yoof player in though because its the whole back line and i don't think its fair to have a kid cope with that.
Who do you suggest Greg? I only ask because someone suggested Delph on another thread and you was'nt keen.
Don't forget that Greg, in his infinite wisdom wants Delph in at centre-half.
Oh dear god.
What the hell, i suggested it because we have no options and otherwise delpth is another 6m down the drain. Anyway as an ex- long term MONette i thought you'd be all for playing someone totally out of position
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Delph did ok at left back last season in the brief games he had there. Baker would surely be a better option though if he is back from Millwall?
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Baker was on the bench last night.
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Must be in with a shout of a start then.
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Talent is nothing without hunger, workrate, desire and confidence. If Stephen got Ian Taylor's heart and desire he would be loved by us.
What he lacks is the confidence. It's well reported that he's the hardest trainer at Bodymoor Heath and I do wonder if his biggest fault is he's trying too hard. As Ad@m said above, apart from the o.g. he didn't do too much wrong.
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Talent is nothing without hunger, workrate, desire and confidence. If Stephen got Ian Taylor's heart and desire he would be loved by us.
What he lacks is the confidence. It's well reported that he's the hardest trainer at Bodymoor Heath and I do wonder if his biggest fault is he's trying too hard. As Ad@m said above, apart from the o.g. he didn't do too much wrong.
You're forgetting the ridiculous attempt at a cross field pass that went straight to the opposition and consequently led to their opening goal.
So, other than being responsible for the two goals he was in fine form. But to his credit, at least this week he didn't try to make out that his deficiencies were due to some bogus injury.
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Needs to be dropped. Looks in bits to my mind. Wouldn't stick a yoof player in though because its the whole back line and i don't think its fair to have a kid cope with that.
Who do you suggest Greg? I only ask because someone suggested Delph on another thread and you was'nt keen.
Don't forget that Greg, in his infinite wisdom wants Delph in at centre-half.
Oh dear god.
What the hell, i suggested it because we have no options and otherwise delpth is another 6m down the drain. Anyway as an ex- long term MONette i thought you'd be all for playing someone totally out of position
gonna stick up for greg on this one, i thought in the games where he came on as sub last year at left back, Delph did very well! whether it is another long term option i dont know?
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Talent is nothing without hunger, workrate, desire and confidence. If Stephen got Ian Taylor's heart and desire he would be loved by us.
What he lacks is the confidence. It's well reported that he's the hardest trainer at Bodymoor Heath and I do wonder if his biggest fault is he's trying too hard. As Ad@m said above, apart from the o.g. he didn't do too much wrong.
You're forgetting the ridiculous attempt at a cross field pass that went straight to the opposition and consequently led to their opening goal.
So, other than being responsible for the two goals he was in fine form. But to his credit, at least this week he didn't try to make out that his deficiencies were due to some bogus injury.
there was alot of play after that, think it is unfair to take play back too far. The ball into swp's feet that was blocked luckly squirmed to cisse and it was a good hard first time finish. i cannot attribute too much blame at warnock for that!
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I'd rather Baker play left back, he's more of a rounder hole for the round peg than Delph.
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I'd rather Baker play left back, he's more of a rounder hole for the round peg than Delph.
maybe, but apart from an early bath against wolves and another sub role you are just speculating as to his ability. so warnock makes an error on wed, not unlike the one against everton, there is also the stephen warnock that changed the game completely against wolves when he came on and took out their best player kightly and brilliant performance against chelsea.
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I'd be looking at Stevens, Baker and maybe even Lichaj - who has played LB several times for USA - as left-back options before thinking about moving midfielders there.
But I also think it's wide of the mark to question Warnock's effort. He's working hard enough, but making some poor defensive decisions.
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Talent is nothing without hunger, workrate, desire and confidence. If Stephen got Ian Taylor's heart and desire he would be loved by us.
What he lacks is the confidence. It's well reported that he's the hardest trainer at Bodymoor Heath and I do wonder if his biggest fault is he's trying too hard. As Ad@m said above, apart from the o.g. he didn't do too much wrong.
You're forgetting the ridiculous attempt at a cross field pass that went straight to the opposition and consequently led to their opening goal.
So, other than being responsible for the two goals he was in fine form. But to his credit, at least this week he didn't try to make out that his deficiencies were due to some bogus injury.
there was alot of play after that, think it is unfair to take play back too far. The ball into swp's feet that was blocked luckly squirmed to cisse and it was a good hard first time finish. i cannot attribute too much blame at warnock for that!
Well I am. If you make a crossfield pass as a full back with the team pushing forward you are instantly putting other defenders under extreme pressure if you fail to make an accurate pass. I have know idea who he was intending to pass the ball to as it went straight to an unmarked opposition player. It wasn't intercepted, or deflected but straight to one of theirs.
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Well I am. If you make a crossfield pass as a full back with the team pushing forward you are instantly putting other defenders under extreme pressure if you fail to make an accurate pass. I have know idea who he was intending to pass the ball to as it went straight to an unmarked opposition player. It wasn't intercepted, or deflected but straight to one of theirs.
Maybe he (and half the rest of the team), is/are colourblind
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As annoyed as I was at Warnock's calamitous blunder, I do actually feel sorry for the guy. There was no need for the booing aimed at him.
Well done. Boo one of our players. That's really going to help, isn't it? He hardly did it on purpose. Morons.
It's not the first time he has been at fault this season how many more times/points is he going to cost us? It's ok once a season but not as often as this. Warnock as well as Hutton have become a liability.
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Booing the team or individual players is never the way forward.
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Booing the team or individual players is never the way forward.
No not in all cases I agree but as fans we all think about how much money they are getting paid it's human nature.If you make a mess at work you get a roasting.
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Booing the team or individual players is never the way forward.
I think booing during the match is wrong however, after game, i think fans are entitled to let the team, manager and the board know how they feel about the performance of the game especially if it is anything like the game against Swansea. At the end of the day, we are the paying customer and we are paying alot of money to see these high earners perform week in week out. If we feel they have not pulled their weight during the game and have played way below the standards that warrant their salary then we have every right to boo them at the end of the game.
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Didn't Given go and put an arm round him straight after ?
Mind you, we dont know what he said to him.
"I had to pull out one of my best saves to keep you out last time but you were determined to put one past me weren't you son? You f*cking useles piece of f*cking sh*t"*
*That is a purely hypothetical stament from Given
As for Hutton, will probably get shot down for this but has anyone given him any credit for setting up Bent for the first goal?
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In my 57 years of going to Villa Park I only ever booed one player. And he was a left back, good enough to be in the England squad and a good defender for The Villa. Then in 1977 he appeared to suffer from a loss of form, forwards were going past him as if he wasn't there, couldn't get tackles in, his passing was abysmal and we all got on his back booing every mistimed tackle or misplaced pass. Thirty Five years on and I still feel ashamed when I think about that time.
The players name was John Robson and in 1978 he had to retire because he was suffering with the onset of Multiple Sclerosis.
We didn't know this when we booed him, all we saw was a footballer who apparently had gone from being a good player to being crap in a short space of time and we all thought that he just didn't give a toss any more.
I'm not saying that Warnock is suffering from any illness, but you don't go from being good enough for the England squad to being a rubbish player in two short years without something being wrong somewhere. Hopefully AM and his staff can help him sort out whatever is wrong with him be it a lack of confidence or something else.
Those of you who booed him on Wednesday should pause and think that footballers like the rest of us have things going on that now and again affect the way we do our jobs.
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Problem is those booing on wednesday are probably not the sort of people to stop and think at all. Modern generation wants everything here and now!
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As for Hutton, will probably get shot down for this but has anyone given him any credit for setting up Bent for the first goal?
Probably not as for some once a player is shit then that's it!
I'm unsure what I'd do about our fullbacks in the summer.
I think both can be better than we've seen, but how long do we allow them to find form? We've probably got Warnock on a very good wage that others won't match, so bringing in a new LB just means another expensive reserve not getting a game. Hutton had his best game at home to Arsenal with Cuellar next to him, so maybe some of his poorer form is down to Collins?
I guess it depends on what funds AM has to play with. So a good kitty and he'll look to replace them, a medium kitty and he'll go after ust one and if it's tight look to work with them and/or promote Stevens and Lichaj.
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It is a tricky one, John. Essentially, I like both Hutton and Warnock. I thought Hutton was a decent signing for us, solid and strong going forward, good age still. He's had some rough games but I believe he's improving. Yes, I gave him credit for his part in the goal, both on a different thread and in my ESPN blog. I thought it was a great assist.
I think Warnock is a good footballer and quite why his form has nosedived so much, I don't know. I keep hoping he'll get back to his best... but will he?
What I do is that it'll be nice not to go into a summer looking for new full-backs again, whether it's because we're happy with Hutton and Warnock, or we're going to use Lichaj, Baker, Stevens in those positions.
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In my 57 years of going to Villa Park I only ever booed one player. And he was a left back, good enough to be in the England squad and a good defender for The Villa. Then in 1977 he appeared to suffer from a loss of form, forwards were going past him as if he wasn't there, couldn't get tackles in, his passing was abysmal and we all got on his back booing every mistimed tackle or misplaced pass. Thirty Five years on and I still feel ashamed when I think about that time.
The players name was John Robson and in 1978 he had to retire because he was suffering with the onset of Multiple Sclerosis.
We didn't know this when we booed him, all we saw was a footballer who apparently had gone from being a good player to being crap in a short space of time and we all thought that he just didn't give a toss any more.
I'm not saying that Warnock is suffering from any illness, but you don't go from being good enough for the England squad to being a rubbish player in two short years without something being wrong somewhere. Hopefully AM and his staff can help him sort out whatever is wrong with him be it a lack of confidence or something else.
Those of you who booed him on Wednesday should pause and think that footballers like the rest of us have things going on that now and again affect the way we do our jobs.
Well said mate.
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Can't think what it would be like in my job (forget the £thousands) if everything I said and everything I did, minute by minute, was greeted by cheers or boos from hundreds of thousands of people.
I was watching the match on sunday with arsenal fans; 'because' - on another thread.
I was noticing excellent plays and passes. Stephen W made a large number of the passes I cheered. He is a superb player.
He deserves to be playing his position. It doesn't mean he will always get everything right. He's just very good!
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In my 57 years of going to Villa Park I only ever booed one player. And he was a left back, good enough to be in the England squad and a good defender for The Villa. Then in 1977 he appeared to suffer from a loss of form, forwards were going past him as if he wasn't there, couldn't get tackles in, his passing was abysmal and we all got on his back booing every mistimed tackle or misplaced pass. Thirty Five years on and I still feel ashamed when I think about that time.
The players name was John Robson and in 1978 he had to retire because he was suffering with the onset of Multiple Sclerosis.
We didn't know this when we booed him, all we saw was a footballer who apparently had gone from being a good player to being crap in a short space of time and we all thought that he just didn't give a toss any more.
I'm not saying that Warnock is suffering from any illness, but you don't go from being good enough for the England squad to being a rubbish player in two short years without something being wrong somewhere. Hopefully AM and his staff can help him sort out whatever is wrong with him be it a lack of confidence or something else.
Those of you who booed him on Wednesday should pause and think that footballers like the rest of us have things going on that now and again affect the way we do our jobs.
Now and then? Warnock has been playing like a drain for ages now.
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In my 57 years of going to Villa Park I only ever booed one player. And he was a left back, good enough to be in the England squad and a good defender for The Villa. Then in 1977 he appeared to suffer from a loss of form, forwards were going past him as if he wasn't there, couldn't get tackles in, his passing was abysmal and we all got on his back booing every mistimed tackle or misplaced pass. Thirty Five years on and I still feel ashamed when I think about that time.
The players name was John Robson and in 1978 he had to retire because he was suffering with the onset of Multiple Sclerosis.
We didn't know this when we booed him, all we saw was a footballer who apparently had gone from being a good player to being crap in a short space of time and we all thought that he just didn't give a toss any more.
I'm not saying that Warnock is suffering from any illness, but you don't go from being good enough for the England squad to being a rubbish player in two short years without something being wrong somewhere. Hopefully AM and his staff can help him sort out whatever is wrong with him be it a lack of confidence or something else.
Those of you who booed him on Wednesday should pause and think that footballers like the rest of us have things going on that now and again affect the way we do our jobs.
Now and then? Warnock has been playing like a drain for ages now.
As much as i admire your sentiment TLP. Warnock gets paid thousands of pounds a week, gets the best coaching available along with access to many avenues of help provided by the club. If i was not doing my job on a consistent basis i would lose my job. He has been terible for a long period and he has to be dropped and replaced in the summer. Baker or bring Delph back until the end of the season .......
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Warnock is a very decent footballer with a pork sausage for a brain, it is such a pity because on his game and on form he is very good, but what we are seeing is a mental breakdown, something not quite right here.
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Warnock is a very decent footballer with a pork sausage for a brain, it is such a pity because on his game and on form he is very good, but what we are seeing is a mental breakdown, something not quite right here.
Sadly, I have to agree.
I didn't boo the chap because he always puts the effort in, never bottles a 50/50 and puts his body on the line for important blocks time and again, but I described his current manifestation after the Swansea match as 21st Century Schizoid Man, and he is doing a pretty decent job of it.
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He is just very, very error prone and unusually unlucky to boot. He slips over at the wrong time, he makes a dodgy pass and more often than not it goes straight to the oppositions playmaker on he edge of our penalty area rather than out of play. We seem to have a bit of a curse with left backs. After Bouma's career-ender, I remember Nicky Shorey coming here with a solid reputation but slowly descending into bad form and zero confidence. The best left back we've had over the past 2 seasons has been a right back (L Young).
As for Warnock, he started so well but it's hard to see how he comes back form this in a Villa shirt and is set to join JLloyd Samuel and Shorey as once international fringe players who end up somewhere like Bolton or the baggies.
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I was playing with my fantasy team this morning and was on the lookout for a new defender.
I was interested to note that the only defenders in the league with a higher score this season than Warnock were Baines, Jose Enrique, Walker, Evra and Assou-Ekotto.
Obviously I have eyes and can see that Warnock is always an accident waiting to happen and the above is merely is statistic-based sideshow but is it possible that he is also doing some good stuff as well?
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Really not seeing this "Warnock is a decent player" theory. Ye he came on at half time against wolves and was ok because Albrighton had been told to come back to mark Jarvis making his job straight forward. Nathan Dyer battered him. Against Everton he forced a top save from Given and now the worst "own goal" of the season. The rest of the games he has varied from ok-terrible. There is no one on here that can say they would not rather have Luke Young as left back right now ?? And that says it all .....
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Really not seeing this "Warnock is a decent player" theory. Ye he came on at half time against wolves and was ok because Albrighton had been told to come back to mark Jarvis making his job straight forward. Nathan Dyer battered him. Against Everton he forced a top save from Given and now the worst "own goal" of the season. The rest of the games he has varied from ok-terrible. There is no one on here that can say they would not rather have Luke Young as left back right now ?? And that says it all .....
As it happens, I thought Young struggled on Wednesday night.
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Really not seeing this "Warnock is a decent player" theory. Ye he came on at half time against wolves and was ok because Albrighton had been told to come back to mark Jarvis making his job straight forward. Nathan Dyer battered him. Against Everton he forced a top save from Given and now the worst "own goal" of the season. The rest of the games he has varied from ok-terrible. There is no one on here that can say they would not rather have Luke Young as left back right now ?? And that says it all .....
As it happens, I thought Young struggled on Wednesday night.
Not for one second did he look like scoring an own goal though !!
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Really not seeing this "Warnock is a decent player" theory. Ye he came on at half time against wolves and was ok because Albrighton had been told to come back to mark Jarvis making his job straight forward. Nathan Dyer battered him. Against Everton he forced a top save from Given and now the worst "own goal" of the season. The rest of the games he has varied from ok-terrible. There is no one on here that can say they would not rather have Luke Young as left back right now ?? And that says it all .....
As it happens, I thought Young struggled on Wednesday night.
Not for one second did he look like scoring an own goal though !!
True.
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He seems to be decent at injuring opposition players with his last ditch block attempts.
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He seems to be decent at injuring opposition players with his last ditch block attempts.
You've got to give it to the man, though. He would jump in front of a train for the Villa.
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I thought he was better today injured 2 of their players not bad going
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He seems to be decent at injuring opposition players with his last ditch block attempts.
You've got to give it to the man, though. He would jump in front of a train for the Villa.
i am NOT going to say I wish he bloody would.
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I seem to recall there was a big clamour to bring him back for the Carling Cup Final even though we all knew he wouldn't be 100%. I can't recall him having a decent game since then. The only positive moment of note I can think of was the cross for Heskey's header at Wolves. Last season.
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Only good memory of him is his goal in the semi-final against Blackburn, if I recall correctly he smashed in the equaliser towards the end of the second half, decent strike.
We've struggled at Left Back ever since Bouma left, really.
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He seems to be decent at injuring opposition players with his last ditch block attempts.
why he didnt play like that against Liverpool
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It looks like the rest of the world has noticed.
Linky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/06/five-things-premier-league-weekend)
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It looks like the rest of the world has noticed.
Linky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/06/five-things-premier-league-weekend)
Read that today. Houllier's opinion looks increasingly sensible as the weeks go by this season.
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The question this raises must be: "How useless must Enda Stevens be?"
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Warnock clearly not in Lamberts plans. Saw him and his missus arriving at the V Festival yesterday. Camping with all the rif raf like us too. Not in the VIP camping area.
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Warnock clearly not in Lamberts plans. Saw him and his missus arriving at the V Festival yesterday. Camping with all the rif raf like us too. Not in the VIP camping area.
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Never thought i would say this but feel a little bit sorry for him. He seems a decent person and always put a lot of effort into his performances. Just was inconsistent and always felt that a major calamity was only a moment away .....
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We've struggled at Left Back ever since Bouma left, really.
We have struggled at leftback since Charlie retired!
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Warnock clearly not in Lamberts plans. Saw him and his missus arriving at the V Festival yesterday. Camping with all the rif raf like us too. Not in the VIP camping area.
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Never thought i would say this but feel a little bit sorry for him. He seems a decent person and always put a lot of effort into his performances. Just was inconsistent and always felt that a major calamity was only a moment away .....
I had a drink with him and actually he is a decent person. Quite down to Earth. I hope he can recapture his form as somewhere in there is a decent player. Did he not get in the England squad whilst playing for us ?
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Warnock couldn't have done any worse than today's left back.
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Warnock couldn't have done any worse than today's left back.
Come off it. He performed far, far worse than that in many games last season.
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Warnock couldn't have done any worse than today's left back.
I thought Baker did O.K. Nothing spectacular but O.K.
Good goal-line clearance near the end too.
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Warnock couldn't have done any worse than today's left back.
He really could.
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Baker was one of our better players, but in Lamberts teams, he wants an attacking FB, and Baker is not that.
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I would've played Lichaj there but he put Baker in because of his height.
I wonder if it's a mistake to freeze Warnock out before we've adequately strengthened there as we are still very light at left back.
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Baker did well today, more solid than Warnock has been in years.
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Warnock is shit. Never again
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I wonder if it's a mistake to freeze Warnock out before we've adequately strengthened there as we are still very light at left back.
No you have to burn the leaky boat and build a new one otherwise you sink. (don't know why I came up with this but there you go!)
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Baker did well today, more solid than Warnock has been in years.
It's massively clutching at straws to think that Warnock would have made a difference yesterday. Baker is a very competent young player. I didn't think we were really troubled defensively. Like last season we had little ability to take shots and supply Bent. Warnock's time is done.
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Warnock wouldn't have coped with Vaz Te and he's been a one-man walking disaster area for some time. There were a couple of defeats last season which were down to him passing to one of the opposition when he was last man.
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The Mirror are suggesting we are offering him back to Blackburn plus a bit of money for Olsson - I would be happy with that, think he is a super player.
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The Mirror are suggesting we are offering him back to Blackburn plus a bit of money for Olsson - I would be happy with that, think he is a super player.
I'd be happy replacing him with a player who can keep the ball in play. 3 times against Forest, Warnock let it bounce over his knee into the dugout.
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Olsson would be a good option for Lambert, due to the fact he wants his fullbacks to bomb forward if we play narrow.
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Did he score the class acrobatic volley when we beat them 6-4?
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I don't think I've ever seen a player lose so much belief and confidence as Warnock. He was a good full back and part of a very decent defence but he now looks like he has lost the will to turn things round for himself.
Always thought he looked better in midfield and he put in a few decent performances during those desperate few games last season. In fact, he would have been a hero if we hadn't thrown away the lead v Bolton - small margins at times.
Anyway, a move looks best for him now and I wish him the best of luck.
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I have never seen anything special about him as a full back. The 'great' defence we had owed much to Ashley Young becoming the best defensive left winger in the league.
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Ashley was definitely the hardest working winger in the league, people often forget how much work he'd put in, helping out the full back.
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Spot on both about AY's work rate.
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Ash did help out his LB quite a lot, plus as he was our main threat teams often doubled up on him, meaning the left winger/midfield up against Warnock probably didn't attack as much as he would against some other sides. But the fact remains Warnock started his Villa career very well for us, was rushed back from injury for the cup final, was then pretty much frozen out by Houllier and suffered as they all did under TSM. Those may not be the best set of circumstances for the player, but he's been poor enough for long enough that I've lost patience and would gladly see the back of him.
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If warnock isn't shifted by the time the window closes then I think he should be welcomed back to the 1st team squad but be utilised as a backup DCM as seeing him play there last season after his very poor performances at left back, he seemed like a different player with a bit more confidence and was putting himself about abit with winning headers and tackles.
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If warnock isn't shifted by the time the window closes then I think he should be welcomed back to the 1st team squad but be utilised as a backup DCM as seeing him play there last season after his very poor performances at left back, he seemed like a different player with a bit more confidence and was putting himself about abit with winning headers and tackles.
Agree with this Rick. We should sign a left back regardless, knowing that he has 12 months left on his deal. Then use him as a defensive midfielder. He has a decent shot, got forward well and can pass a ball. If he does not go, he should certainly be used as an option there.
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If warnock isn't shifted by the time the window closes then I think he should be welcomed back to the 1st team squad but be utilised as a backup DCM as seeing him play there last season after his very poor performances at left back, he seemed like a different player with a bit more confidence and was putting himself about abit with winning headers and tackles.
Agree with this Rick. We should sign a left back regardless, knowing that he has 12 months left on his deal. Then use him as a defensive midfielder. He has a decent shot, got forward well and can pass a ball. If he does not go, he should certainly be used as an option there.
Fuck me, you have to be joking.
Warnock is possibly the worst passer of a ball I have ever seen, and his performances in midfield last season were a joke.
Why you would ever advocate him wasting a spot that could be utilised by blooding the likes of Johnson is beyond my comprehension.
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If warnock isn't shifted by the time the window closes then I think he should be welcomed back to the 1st team squad but be utilised as a backup DCM as seeing him play there last season after his very poor performances at left back, he seemed like a different player with a bit more confidence and was putting himself about abit with winning headers and tackles.
Agree with this Rick. We should sign a left back regardless, knowing that he has 12 months left on his deal. Then use him as a defensive midfielder. He has a decent shot, got forward well and can pass a ball. If he does not go, he should certainly be used as an option there.
Fuck me, you have to be joking.
Warnock is possibly the worst passer of a ball I have ever seen, and his performances in midfield last season were a joke.
Why you would ever advocate him wasting a spot that could be utilised by blooding the likes of Johnson is beyond my comprehension.
Phew! finally some sense.
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I did say BACKUP DCM! and i also said if we didnt shift him. So are you saying that if we dont sell him, we should let him sit in the reserves and just happily earn his £40k per
week just like beye did? He was very poor at left back but as a CM he wasn't half as bad. Try putting yourself into his shoes for one minute and imagine what its like when there are 30k off villa fans getting n your back for any little thing you do.
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Yeah, put yourself in his shoes and imagine what its like being paid £40k a week for warming the bench and doing a bit of training.
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The harking after Stephen Warnock reminds of that period when you start thinking you've done the wrong thing splitting up your bird, beacuse you haven't had a ride for a couple of months.
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If Warnock is still here on 1/9 than we should make him play every reserve game till christmas and hopefully he will walk away in
the January window.
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Out of order, making him train with the reserves IMO, he has been a model professional and deserves to at least to be treated with respect.
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Out of order, making him train with the reserves IMO, he has been a model professional and deserves to at least to be treated with respect.
How do you know he's been a model professional? Weren't there lots of stories about him being a bad influence, continually moaning and whingeing that he hated the area, didn't want to move down here etc etc. I think Houllier may even have mentioned it.
I suspect the main reason he's training with the kids is because he's not expected to play any part in the first team, so it really makes sense.
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Out of order, making him train with the reserves IMO, he has been a model professional and deserves to at least to be treated with respect.
It is out of order, those poor youngsters will spend most of their mornings fetching his misfired passes from the surrounding farmland.
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Out of order, making him train with the reserves IMO, he has been a model professional and deserves to at least to be treated with respect.
It is out of order, those poor youngsters will spend most of their mornings fetching his misfired passes from the surrounding farmland.
Made me chuckle
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Out of order, making him train with the reserves IMO, he has been a model professional and deserves to at least to be treated with respect.
It is out of order, those poor youngsters will spend most of their mornings fetching his misfired passes from the surrounding farmland.
At least our goalies will get some practice. They'll need to be on their toes trying to account for goalbound back passes and headers and making seemingly safe defensive situations perilous.
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The groundsman at Bodymoor will also need some practice treading down the divots in the grass cause by Warnock tripping over when the opposing team are on the attack. So it's all good.
Really, we're doing him a favour letting him train at all if he's surplus to requirements - his new club (whoever they might be) would want somebody to come in as fit as poss and he would know this.
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Would rather keep Warnock than that prick Ireland - now there is a *ucking time waster!
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I'd rather keep Ireland.
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Ever heard of car pooling? I'd send Warnock, Hutton, N'Zogbia, Ireland and Dunne to Stoke right bloody now. Ship the lot of them off. Of course you'd need a horse carriage on the back of the car to shift Dunney though.
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Ever heard of car pooling? I'd send Warnock, Hutton, N'Zogbia, Ireland and Dunne to Stoke right bloody now. Ship the lot of them off. Of course you'd need a horse carriage on the back of the car to shift Dunney though.
He'd need an abnormal load escort.
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Interesting that people still want shut of Ireland given that he's the current Fan's Player of the Year..
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There wasn't exactly a lot of competition. Being player of the year last season is a bit like being the tallest man in Lilliput.
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Interesting that people still want shut of Ireland given that he's the current Fan's Player of the Year..
This is what amazes me. It still seems the majority dislike him.
It also amazes me that despite the players saying how good he is, Lambert saying how good he is and him showing how good he could be, apparently he's still a time waster who shows a lack of effort?
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I can't see how anyone can accuse him of a lack of effort. He's a very technical player and offers a lot of potential if we can get him to click and he's now playing a style of play that should suit him. We shouldn't be writing him off after one competitive game of the Lambert era.
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I agree. I think Ireland could well become our outstanding player this season.
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Interesting that people still want shut of Ireland given that he's the current Fan's Player of the Year..
This is what amazes me. It still seems the majority dislike him.
It also amazes me that despite the players saying how good he is, Lambert saying how good he is and him showing how good he could be, apparently he's still a time waster who shows a lack of effort?
Given he's an attacking midfielder, I don't think it's a lot to ask for him to chip in with a few goals and assists.
That said, on his day (Chelsea away last season) he's brilliant. However, like NZog's good days, lunar eclipses come round more often.
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Interesting that people still want shut of Ireland given that he's the current Fan's Player of the Year..
This is what amazes me. It still seems the majority dislike him.
It also amazes me that despite the players saying how good he is, Lambert saying how good he is and him showing how good he could be, apparently he's still a time waster who shows a lack of effort?
Given he's an attacking midfielder, I don't think it's a lot to ask for him to chip in with a few goals and assists.
That said, on his day (Chelsea away last season) he's brilliant. However, like NZog's good days, lunar eclipses come round more often.
And he didn't exactly play many games as an attacking midfielder, he played wide and as midfield 2 when Petrov became sick.
Ireland is our best attacking player.
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Shipping him out one game into a new era which involves passing Football would be completely ridiculous - there's still 37 games left for him to contribute significantly. To be honest, I couldn't care less if he gets no assists and no goals if he's picking out passes that can lead to others assisting and scoring.
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Interesting that people still want shut of Ireland given that he's the current Fan's Player of the Year..
Yep, don't get that at all. Does he need to score more and contribute more in the final third? Off course. But his application is so much more than when he arrived and technically we need to find players that can keep up with some of his touches and flicks. He's an intelligent player too which is something we lack at times. Last thing we should be doing is selling those types of player.
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Interesting that people still want shut of Ireland given that he's the current Fan's Player of the Year..
This is what amazes me. It still seems the majority dislike him.
It also amazes me that despite the players saying how good he is, Lambert saying how good he is and him showing how good he could be, apparently he's still a time waster who shows a lack of effort?
Given he's an attacking midfielder, I don't think it's a lot to ask for him to chip in with a few goals and assists.
That said, on his day (Chelsea away last season) he's brilliant. However, like NZog's good days, lunar eclipses come round more often.
Modric barely gets any of either in a side that scores far more and he is about to be sold for £35m to Real Madrid. Thats the same position Ireland played for us last season.
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Its a amzing how this thread has morphed from a Stephen Warnock topic into a Stephen Ireland topic lol
Personally, i'd give Warnock this season to prove his worth before getting rid. I'd rather see the back of Nzogbia this wondow
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Warnock's had more than enough chances in his preferred position. He can't do it at PL level anymore. And if the argument is being made about his versatility in playing midfield, well we have enough specialists there that I wouldn't want to deny opportunities to for him. I'll be glad to see the back of him and Warnock, and am not entirely fussed about Dunne who I would keep of the three. And I'm no longer bothered whether N'Zogbia stays or goes either.
We need to detach ourselves from the wage and crap player anchors created by the MON and TSM era. We might struggle at times with new and young players but I'll take that because the end goal is so much more rewarding.
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Ireland needs to man up and grow a pair, I mean, wtf is that??
http://tinyurl.com/bptluqr
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Ireland needs to man up and grow a pair, I mean, wtf is that??
http://tinyurl.com/bptluqr
He's quite "unique" off the pitch isn't he?
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Back to Warnock, yes i agree he needs to be shipped out but I do think its a bit out of order to make him train with the youth players. If he has been in breach of club rules then yes, make him train there but if he is being made to train there as he is no longer wanted is a bit harsh in my opinion
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We need to detach ourselves from the wage and crap player anchors created by the MON and TSM era. We might struggle at times with new and young players but I'll take that because the end goal is so much more rewarding.
This is the thing for me, getting rid of these players which have just been a pain in the arse since MON left. When that happened we needed these to stand up and show some bollocks and all that has happened is poor performances and embarrassing behavior off the pitch. The sooner we get rid of that crowd the better.
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What I find amazing is the lack of patience with some fans. I mean, Petrov was shit in his first season but became a lynch pin. Sometimes players don't settle in their first match or even first season especially given all the unrest the team has had to endure since MON left. Nothing to do with Warnock but just saying.
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Ever heard of car pooling? I'd send Warnock, Hutton, N'Zogbia, Ireland and Dunne to Stoke right bloody now. Ship the lot of them off. Of course you'd need a horse carriage on the back of the car to shift Dunney though.
Only one of this lot is qualified to play for Stoke. Minimum height 6 feet is required.
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I still want to know who voted for Ireland as player of the season?!?
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Ever heard of car pooling? I'd send Warnock, Hutton, N'Zogbia, Ireland and Dunne to Stoke right bloody now. Ship the lot of them off. Of course you'd need a horse carriage on the back of the car to shift Dunney though.
We'd go down. We haven't got a great or big squad and we don't seem to have much money. Relying entirely on the youngsters will get us relegated. We need to keep trying to get the best out of Ireland and N'Zog particularly as they're the best we've got - unless we put unwarranted faith in cheap signings from the Dutch league.
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Seriously? We're now slating Ireland because he has a Chihuahua?
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Seriously? We're now slating Ireland because he has a Chihuahua?
Yes, but let's be honest, the chihuahua is a particularly gay dog.
(http://southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com/shared/sps/img/content/characters/95a.jpg?width=320)
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Seriously? We're now slating Ireland because he has a Chihuahua?
If one of your mates rocked up looking like that you wouldn't take the piss?
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My mate has a Chihuahua. It's a cute little dog that's fantastic with his kids.
I don't think he needs to "man up and grow a pair" because he has a small dog.
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My mate has a Chihuahua. It's a cute little dog that's fantastic with his kids.
I don't think he needs to "man up and grow a pair" because he has a small dog.
No.
He does need to strap one on, however, and reassess his dog acceptance criteria.
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*nods*
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I have a chihuahua - probably for not much longer, hey ho, he's almost literally on his last legs.
They're an ideal breed of dog if you're an idle bitch like me. No need for long walks, once round the back garden and they're knackered. Another advantage if you're vertically challenged, the height differentials make you look tall.
At the moment my intentions are once he pops his clogs that's me and dog ownership done. Reality is probably something else.
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Not as bad as having a poodle.
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My mate has a Chihuahua. It's a cute little dog that's fantastic with his kids.
I don't think he needs to "man up and grow a pair" because he has a small dog.
Does your mate go shopping with it sticking out the front of his hoodie? I think that's the reason most people take the piss out of the picture, not the actual breed of dog.
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He'll need to chip Tim Howard from 30 yards on Saturday to be forgiven for that picture. I don't mind small dogs but I wouldn't wear one while shopping.
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My mate has a Chihuahua. It's a cute little dog that's fantastic with his kids.
I don't think he needs to "man up and grow a pair" because he has a small dog.
Does your mate go shopping with it sticking out the front of his hoodie? I think that's the reason most people take the piss out of the picture, not the actual breed of dog.
Yeh, I was mocking him for carrying a dog in his hoddie hence the term man up and grow a pair. I personally, and this goes to all my other male friends, would never do that. If they did, then they would get the shit ripped out of them. But hey, thats just me, not all blokes are the same and would probably be happy doing what he is doing.
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I have a staffie, i'm a chav
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what does it make you if you have 3 labs ???
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what does it make you if you have 3 labs ???
A lover of Andrex?
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what does it make you if you have 3 labs ???
A lover of Andrex?
A crystal meth dealer.
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what does it make you if you have 3 labs ???
Extremely short sighted?
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Not as bad as having a poodle.
woah there ! nothing wrong with Poodles.
our silver Poodle we had back in the 60's was a vicous fucker, it would growl and nip any one who it came across him even though he was blind and deaf.
...................his name ?? BIMBO
a true story.
UTV
The Doc
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what does it make you if you have 3 labs ???
Scientist!!!!!
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what does it make you if you have 3 labs ???
Scientist!!!!!
A Mad scientist !
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what does it make you if you have 3 labs ???
A lopsided c**t?
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what does it make you if you have 3 labs ???
A lopsided c**t?
bravo
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Stephen Ireland should be shot for being an abomination to manhood. It's only fair. Some of the shite he wears is ridiculous and now's taken to wearing dogs. He's gone for the king of chavs look with Paris Hilton accessorising.
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My mate has a Chihuahua. It's a cute little dog that's fantastic with his kids.
I don't think he needs to "man up and grow a pair" because he has a small dog.
I agree.
Usual intolerance on here and all over the breed of a dog, typical stereotyping with Homophobic remarks and insuations that wouldn't have looked out of place in 1975.
A good friend of mine owns a Chihuahua and he's not a bummer.
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what does it make you if you have 3 labs ???
A lover of Andrex?
A crystal meth dealer.
Quality.
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My mate has a Chihuahua. It's a cute little dog that's fantastic with his kids.
I don't think he needs to "man up and grow a pair" because he has a small dog.
I know of a Chihuahua that killed a Dobberman!
It choked on it...
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Seriously? We're now slating Ireland because he has a Chihuahua?
If one of your mates rocked up looking like that you wouldn't take the piss?
Not with a girlfriend like that on his arm, and the dog might be hers of course. 8)
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"what does it make you if you have 3 labs?" :(
Walter White.
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Warnock had been treated badly IMO and his Mrs thinks the same ha ha, she is have a few words on twitter about it.
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No problem with Hutton and Warnock being sold as both were awful last season.
Big problem we've frozen both out of the 18 without getting any decent replacements in.
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Warnock had been treated badly IMO and his Mrs thinks the same ha ha, she is have a few words on twitter about it.
Can she play?
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No problem with Hutton and Warnock being sold as both were awful last season.
Big problem we've frozen both out of the 18 without getting any decent replacements in.
This from Warnock's wife while we're losing isn't really very clever
laura warnock @laurawarnock3
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Not so arsed about Hutton, but alienating Warnock so comprehensively when it looks like we might not replace him in time seems a silly thing to do.
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Bringing Warnock back into this team would be like trying to put out a fire with petrol.
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Twitter and facebook has alot to answer for giving these gold digging slags a platform to air there shitty little thoughts.
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Twitter and facebook has alot to answer for giving these gold digging slags a platform to air there shitty little thoughts.
Women, know your place.
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Twitter and facebook has alot to answer for giving these gold digging slags a platform to air there shitty little thoughts.
Women, know your place.
I blame technology. Means they can tweet etc when they are in kitchen.
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Twitter and facebook has alot to answer for giving these gold digging slags a platform to air there shitty little thoughts.
Women, know your place.
I blame technology. Means they can tweet etc when they are in kitchen.
Bloody wifi
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Twitter and facebook has alot to answer for giving these gold digging slags a platform to air there shitty little thoughts.
Women, know your place.
I blame technology. Means they can tweet etc when they are in kitchen.
Bloody wifi
Wifi Warnock great name.
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She could have been out shopping and spending his wages...bloody 3G!!!
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Wasn't Warnock at V-Fest last weekend?
If we're stuck with him I'd probably play him for the time being with Clark suspended and put Baker in his natural position in the centre.
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I'd rather play Lichaj who is infinitely better or even have Herd at RB and Lowton at LB than Steven Warnock. Anything but Steven Warnock (except Hutton).
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I'd rather play Lichaj who is infinitely better or even have Herd at RB and Lowton at LB than Steven Warnock. Anything but Steven Warnock (except Hutton).
Lichaj, Baker, Vlaar, Lowton would be a back four with, what, 25 PL starts between them.
That's a bit of a worry.
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On the other hand, how many PL starts would a back four of Hutton, Dunne, Collins, Warnock have?
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On the other hand, how many PL starts would a back four of Hutton, Dunne, Collins, Warnock have?
Far too many.
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We need a decent LB in, someone like Martin Olsson I'd settle for. Young, quite quick, knows the league. Lichaj is good cover for both full back positions, I'd have him at LB ahead of Baker certainly.
In an ideal world, Lowton would be eased in to premier league or even loaned out as Spurs did with Kyle Walker. Instead he's thrown into the deep end. I suppose the good thing is he hasn't looked ou of his depth but not sure on him being our regular RB this season.
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Bolton have signed him on loan.Happy days
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Bolton have signed him on loan.Happy days
Not for Bolton it's not!
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Bolton is like a retirement home for Villa defenders isn't it?
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Good, one gone one to go.
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I think they're going to use him as a midfielder.
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https://twitter.com/OfficialBWFC/status/249113568639852544/photo/1
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Splendid news (for him and us). I hope he regains some confidence and form. Then we can flog him to Sunderland for a decent amount.
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Get in.
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Poor Bolton.
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Another numpty gone. I hope he does well enough to earn a transfer in January.
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No tears will be shed.
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Good luck to him. The fact he's prepared to drop a division to play may stop all the "happy to sit on his arse and pick up his wages" crap that's spouted by some.
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Fair play to him for leaving. Let's hope others follow suit. He will be useful at that level, more so in midfield. His confidence is shot at left back.
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nail in Coyle's coffin.
I like the new Premier League emergency rule for getting rid of shit players
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Poor Bolton.
a moments thought for them on this sad day
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I'm struggling to think of any other Villa players who suffered such a dramatic loss of form as Warnock.
For the first 6 months after signing for us he was a reliable, steady, competant full back. I remember really hoping he'd be fit for the Carling Cup Final, as losing him would have been a massive blow.
However since then I can honestly say he's been one of the worst full backs I've seen in a Villa shirt. Last season, the prospect of having to watch him and Hutton every week used to depress me.
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I've not seen worse ball control than Warnock displayed against Forest pre-season. We would have been better with Diana Ross
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I'm struggling to think of any other Villa players who suffered such a dramatic loss of form as Warnock.
For the first 6 months after signing for us he was a reliable, steady, competant full back. I remember really hoping he'd be fit for the Carling Cup Final, as losing him would have been a massive blow.
However since then I can honestly say he's been one of the worst full backs I've seen in a Villa shirt. Last season, the prospect of having to watch him and Hutton every week used to depress me.
He hasn't been right since MON rushed him back for that cup final.
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Good luck to him. The fact he's prepared to drop a division to play may stop all the "happy to sit on his arse and pick up his wages" crap that's spouted by some.
Very true, let's hope Hutton follows suit.
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Good luck to him. The fact he's prepared to drop a division to play may stop all the "happy to sit on his arse and pick up his wages" crap that's spouted by some.
Very true, let's hope Hutton follows suit.
Yes I have heard Coventry are now looking at getting some loans in.
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nail in Coyle's coffin.
I like the new Premier League emergency rule for getting rid of shit players
Although you do have to wonder how big an emergency a club has to have before Hutton follows. Coach crash?
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surely Hutton could get a game for Rangers again now ?
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It did'nt take Lambert long to suss out the shite in our squad did it.
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surely Hutton could get a game for Rangers again now ?
As long as he didn't make wages an issue.
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The player performance thing in the match day program had him as our best performer last season, which I find really hard to comprehend.
He's always seemed like a decent guy to me, it's just a shame he's shit at football.
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Great news, any idea how much of his wage we are still paying?
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We should have done a 2 for 1 deal with Blackpool.
If you want the Fonz,you have to take Hutton too.
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Is his contract with us up in the summer?
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The best bit is that it is one more distraction gone and just one to go. Warnock and Hutton have no part to play ever again at our club so there is no point in them being around.
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The thing is, that Warnock is a gifted and talented player who has come through a rigorous youth process at previous clubs, where those who do not make the grade are discarded. I don't think many clubs hang on to their very young youth players if in the first instance, they can't make the grade technically or don't show real promise that they might.
But part of that assessment would be how well a player can take instructions for an individual match (or part of it) as well as just playing the position, as it were. I'd expect that ability to be a major criterion for any professional football club with an 'academy', when deciding which young players they were going to keep, to work with year on year. The really, really successful ones (2 or 3 each year) eventually work their way through to the first team. That's why I don't buy into, 'he's crap'. Wherever he came from, he 's emerged from that process.
There's something significantly askew when a regular first team player like Warnock who has played successfully for Villa in different defensive positions in premiership games is apparently so far adrift of what a progressive manager and coaching staff is asking him to do. Others on here have mentioned how promising he was and how well he was playing, earlier in his Villa career. If this loan is to achieve anything it's hopefully to enable the guy to regain confidence or what ever it is that has stalled him. I wish him well.
(I haven't a clue about Alan Hutton, though! Fair do's)
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Good luck to him. The fact he's prepared to drop a division to play may stop all the "happy to sit on his arse and pick up his wages" crap that's spouted by some.
yeah, that was probably me to be honest.
but he still hasnt dropped divisions to play for less money has he ? he will still be getting his contracted wage, thats fair enough i suppose but he wouldnt want to 'play football' for less, but he would rather play anywhere for the same
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Coyle quoted saying that Bolton beat off competition from lots of other Champ clubs for him. Surely, then, there must also be interest in Hutton?
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Coyle quoted saying that Bolton beat off competition from lots of other Champ clubs for him. Surely, then, there must also be interest in Hutton?
Probably for about £2k a week. We're probably waiting for someone desperate enough to give us £10k+ a week for his "services". However unlikely that is to happen.
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Good luck to him. The fact he's prepared to drop a division to play may stop all the "happy to sit on his arse and pick up his wages" crap that's spouted by some.
yeah, that was probably me to be honest.
but he still hasnt dropped divisions to play for less money has he ? he will still be getting his contracted wage, thats fair enough i suppose but he wouldnt want to 'play football' for less, but he would rather play anywhere for the same
Hard for him to move for less money if no one has made a bid for him though isn't it. You're accusing him of refusing to move for less money without any evidence he has done that.
All we do know is that rather than sit on his arse apart from a bit of training and pick up his wages he's chosen to move down a division to play for a few months.
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I also wish him well, I have seen him have some poor games for us but he is not alone in that league.
But I have never seen him give up.
As for Hutton, I find it hard to dislike anyone, but in a Villa shirt he is always bad news about to happen.
Hope he finds a club that pays him a salary as we clearly do not want to (correctly) keep him on, everyone needs to make a living.
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Good fucking riddance.
I hope to fuck he never comes back.
Bastard dwarf.
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Maybe Warnock is just being realistic. 30 is too young to retire.
He can either demonstrate that he can still be of value somewhere or most likely join the number 'names' that appear in the free agent list in 9 months time.
Rich pickings for average performers are a lot harder to come by nowadays.
A bit of credit should go to Lambert for hoofing non-contributors out of the comfort zone. I hope it has the same effect on Lambert.
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Hope is Mrs is now happy...
I not sure what game it was last season when he scored an own goal, it just about summed up the position of the club. Be interesting to hear why he rubbed various managers up the wrong way.
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v QPR. Great header.
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Yeah, I almost applauded him.
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Good luck to him. The fact he's prepared to drop a division to play may stop all the "happy to sit on his arse and pick up his wages" crap that's spouted by some.
yeah, that was probably me to be honest.
but he still hasnt dropped divisions to play for less money has he ? he will still be getting his contracted wage, thats fair enough i suppose but he wouldnt want to 'play football' for less, but he would rather play anywhere for the same
Hard for him to move for less money if no one has made a bid for him though isn't it. You're accusing him of refusing to move for less money without any evidence he has done that.
All we do know is that rather than sit on his arse apart from a bit of training and pick up his wages he's chosen to move down a division to play for a few months.
true i am accusing him of something i have no proof of, so if he has gone to play football on less money then i will hold my hands up on that one.
it just bugs me when they say 'all i want to do is just play football' when the truth is they are like the rest of us where money is more important than the job,
we would all move for more money and none of us would go anywhere else for less because the money we get paid is more important than the job we do to us, and its no different for them no matter what they say, with very few exeptions
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To be honest, I wouldn't. I love my job and the place I work at. Nothing would make me want to leave.
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I'm just hoping that the fact it's only a 3 month loan will mean he'll be making the move permenant in January.
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I'm just hoping that the fact it's only a 3 month loan will mean he'll be making the move permenant in January.
I just can't see it given the current salary he's on
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its mad we spent 6 million on him and i think the general feeling was that we were happy we did at the time ???
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its mad we spent 6 million on him and i think the general feeling was that we were happy we did at the time ???
He played really well in first season from what I remember. He really looked the part. God knows what happened.
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Good luck to him. The fact he's prepared to drop a division to play may stop all the "happy to sit on his arse and pick up his wages" crap that's spouted by some.
yeah, that was probably me to be honest.
but he still hasnt dropped divisions to play for less money has he ? he will still be getting his contracted wage, thats fair enough i suppose but he wouldnt want to 'play football' for less, but he would rather play anywhere for the same
Hard for him to move for less money if no one has made a bid for him though isn't it. You're accusing him of refusing to move for less money without any evidence he has done that.
All we do know is that rather than sit on his arse apart from a bit of training and pick up his wages he's chosen to move down a division to play for a few months.
true i am accusing him of something i have no proof of, so if he has gone to play football on less money then i will hold my hands up on that one.
it just bugs me when they say 'all i want to do is just play football' when the truth is they are like the rest of us where money is more important than the job
He'll be getting his contracted wage, paid partly by Villa and partly by Bolton just as it should be. There'll be no reduction in his salary anywhere.
And I can't see why it bugs you. Why would you say anything else? We all know that every footballer is playing for their salary. Your spiel about how we would all move for the money is absolutely right, but we would also say whatever it takes to keep our lives easier.
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Obviously it's just me then
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its mad we spent 6 million on him and i think the general feeling was that we were happy we did at the time ???
It was more than that was'nt it? i thought it was around £8.5m.
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Is he really so much worse than those who played today?
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Is he really so much worse than those who played today?
Yes he is. Would you have posted that had we not lost? He's been dumped by two managers. It's not just about his playing ability but his attitude at the club. He needed to go. Someone should tweet his mrs the score. She'll be happy as she buys her 100th pair of shoes.
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A little off topic but why do Bolton now play in Adidas if they are still at the reebok stadium?
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Is he really so much worse than those who played today?
Yes he is. Would you have posted that had we not lost? He's been dumped by two managers. It's not just about his playing ability but his attitude at the club. He needed to go. Someone should tweet his mrs the score. She'll be happy as she buys her 100th pair of shoes.
Yes I would
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A little off topic but why do Bolton now play in Adidas if they are still at the reebok stadium?
Because Reebok still sponsor the stadium?
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A little off topic but why do Bolton now play in Adidas if they are still at the reebok stadium?
Because Reebok still sponsor the stadium?
Sounds like the correct answer.
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He's back at Villa I believe.
West Ham want him.
Time to give him a run out, maybe in midfield? Or flog Him?
I say flog him.
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I say play him. He wasn't always shit, in fact he was solid and impressive for a long time when he first came.
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Time to give him a run out, maybe in midfield? Or flog Him?
I say flog him.
Agreed. If he wasn't the answer last season he won't be the answer now.
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One thing I will say about Warnock is he always tried his best and never went missing in games despite his loss of form. Something we could do with now.
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His attitude must fucking be shit if two managers have told him they don't want him training with the first team squad. The player we acquired from Blackburn was a good one, but he has to have been some tosser to have spurned so many chances. I imagine Lambert will no part of him poisoning the ears of the numerous younger players we have today.
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If he's fit I'd stick him in the side unless someone comes in for him. He's no worse than Bennett at left back and I'd say he's much better than Delph in the middle. If someone wants to take him off our hands for a sensible amount of money then it's no great loss though.
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I'd flog him and then I'd sell him.
A woeful excuse for a full back.
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Last I heard Bolton were desperately trying to extend his loan, I wonder what went wrong.
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He's more experienced than Stevens and Bennett. I think we'll need him for a bit.
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I'd be happy to see him in midfield.
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He can't come he has got nowhere to live.
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If he got his act together and stopped being such a wanker then as a player, talent alone he could really help us. There also has to be a reason that no clubs bar Bolton wanted to give a player that went to the World Cup only a couple of years ago a chance to help them. Makes no sense.
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I'd be happy to see him in midfield.
I agree. He had a good spell in midfield and would be a reasonable replacement for Westwood.
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I'd be happy to see him in midfield.
I agree. He had a good spell in midfield and would be a reasonable replacement for Westwood.
As well as Westwood as we need his passing still.
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Think we're playing a little hardball here with him and his agent
Undoubtedly we want rid,but as he's in demand,to a degree,added to his advisors want some sort of reparation for us moving him on,we'll sit tight,recall,and make him wonder.
He's not going to get what we've paid him,but does he take the risk of injury or loss of suitors whilst he waits for June,or does he go now with our goodwill.We won't get a fee,but we sure as hell won't reimburse him the difference in wages.I can see this being a likely scenario with a couple at B6 over this month.
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He can't come he has got nowhere to live.
'elp a Villa player out and let him kip on your floor for a few nights while he gets himself sorted, won't ya?
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He can't come he has got nowhere to live.
'elp a Villa player out and let him kip on your floor for a few nights while he gets himself sorted, won't ya?
I bet the inside of his car is better than some homes
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I think if we let Warnock anywhere near the side his only contribution would be taking the baton from Hodge.
The crowd wouldn't be so accepting of his mistakes and he would have many.
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If he got his act together and stopped being such a wanker then as a player, talent alone he could really help us. There also has to be a reason that no clubs bar Bolton wanted to give a player that went to the World Cup only a couple of years ago a chance to help them. Makes no sense.
Where is the evidence to say he is or has been a wanker as you put it. I don't see a player demanding to leave, feeling sorry for himself, coming out with much in the press (although if I have missed it let me know and his Mrs' stupid tweet doesn't count). Houllier didn't fancy him much at Liverpool so there was history there and Lambert has decided he wants to go with youth, not to mention the clear requirement to trim the wage bill of the high earners (see Bent, Hutton).
He was a quality player when we bought him, suffered a massive dip in form during a shit season for the whole team, he then got dogs abuse from the crowd in some games which no doubt did his confidence the world of good. But through all that I never saw his effort drop. Given the injury situation, I would at least play him on Saturday but I guess that doesn't suit the hierarchy given that an incoming buyer would not want him cup tied.
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If he got his act together and stopped being such a wanker then as a player, talent alone he could really help us. There also has to be a reason that no clubs bar Bolton wanted to give a player that went to the World Cup only a couple of years ago a chance to help them. Makes no sense.
Where is the evidence to say he is or has been a wanker as you put it. I don't see a player demanding to leave, feeling sorry for himself, coming out with much in the press (although if I have missed it let me know and his Mrs' stupid tweet doesn't count). Houllier didn't fancy him much at Liverpool so there was history there and Lambert has decided he wants to go with youth, not to mention the clear requirement to trim the wage bill of the high earners (see Bent, Hutton).
He was a quality player when we bought him, suffered a massive dip in form during a shit season for the whole team, he then got dogs abuse from the crowd in some games which no doubt did his confidence the world of good. But through all that I never saw his effort drop. Given the injury situation, I would at least play him on Saturday but I guess that doesn't suit the hierarchy given that an incoming buyer would not want him cup tied.
It has to take a lot for a manager to tell a player outright that he is no longer wanted to the point of making him train with the reserves or kids and not at all with the first team. Warnock even started the season with the first team yet within a few weeks of preseason he was vanquished. I think he's a decent player. I think his confidence took a battering playing in his natural position as absymally as anyone has ever played that position in a Villa kit. That doesn't help. But there has to be more to the eye if like I said not one club came in for him until Bolton did and really, he's been on the outside looking for the best part of two years.
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Wasn't there a comment from someone at the club that he spent most of last season building up a blame culture that focused almost entirely on the kids and absolved him and the other senior players of any guilt in our poor form? I'm sure I read something like that on one of the forums.
Aside from that, any criticism he got from fans last year was thoroughly deserved, some of his performances were so poor you'd be forgiven for thinking he was doing it on purpose.
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I was told by a very reliable source that Warnock and Dunne turned up for training one morning half cut, during the Houllier season.
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I was told by a very reliable source that Warnock and Dunne turned up for training one morning half cut, during the Houllier season.
The should've been sacked then. Or shot.
As for Warnock, he used to be good, went to shit then became a complete liability. He appears to be a poisonous infulence in a dressing room which makes it bizarre anybody might want him back in a team full of kids with confidence issues. I mean, he couldn't be any worse that Lichaj at left back, but no, no and thrice NO. This last fortnight could only be made worse by watching old slippery feet trip over the Villa park turf as a nippy winger rushes past and scores again.
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Yes I agree it's totally bizarre. We have an injury list that would fill a whole NHS ward, a team of average age 23 totally devoid of confidence after their last 4 games delivered a return of 2~17. And finally a player picking up 40k a week, doing f all to earn it and by not playing his values deteriorates by the week. Yes utterly bizarre that we should even consider playing such a person.
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Wasn't there a comment from someone at the club that he spent most of last season building up a blame culture that focused almost entirely on the kids and absolved him and the other senior players of any guilt in our poor form? I'm sure I read something like that on one of the forums.
A bloke I know worked in the press office for a few years and he thinks that was to case, also they said something similar on the Graun's football podcast