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Title: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 29, 2012, 06:58:26 PM
...to a team it seems would much rather repeatedly kick me in the eye?

It's be coming for years now, but I can't understand what it is that makes me persist with following Aston Villa.

They're forever letting me down, usually after building my hopes up and everything is always so predictable.

I'm pretty sure I won't be getting a season ticket next season, so why am I looking forward to getting tickets for Blackburn away?

When I don't renew, I know next season I'll be checking on here for live feeds of games, knowing full well it'll be shit. Why can't I just walk away and forget about it?

I come out of most games thinking it's shit and why do I bother. So, my question to you is, why do you bother? Or not, as the case may be.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 29, 2012, 07:01:12 PM
I'm not remotely looking forward to Weds night. Right now i'm very very tempted to not bother.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2012, 07:04:08 PM
The problem I have is we're really not getting anything back from the club.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: TheSandman on January 29, 2012, 07:07:22 PM
You'll get your season ticket next season. You're a mug like the rest of us.

I frequently wonder why I bother and why I let an increasingly more frustrating team upset me so much. It's completely irrational and I surely need help but I do bother and I do let them upset me. I can't just switch it off even though increasingly often I have came to wish that I could.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Legion on January 29, 2012, 07:07:47 PM
Because we're the Villa and it's for life.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Chipsticks on January 29, 2012, 07:08:49 PM
Because I love football, and I love my club. We go through shit times, and that just makes the good times that little bit more sweet - I know it's a bad trait that I follow the Villa like a sheep, but I don't go to football to see the Villa win, I go to support them.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Legion on January 29, 2012, 07:09:00 PM
I'm not remotely looking forward to Weds night. Right now i'm very very tempted to not bother.

I'd forgotten about Wednesday.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Irish villain on January 29, 2012, 07:10:06 PM
I'm emotionally drained tonight.... I reckon villa has put years on me
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 29, 2012, 07:10:18 PM

I frequently wonder why I bother and why I let an increasingly more frustrating team upset me so much. It's completely irrational and I surely need help but I do bother and I do let them upset me. I can't just switch it off even though increasingly often I have came to wish that I could.

I do wonder how,  when i'm the wrong side of 40, can a fucking football team still leave me as gutted, deflated and depressed as I feel right now.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
Because we're the Villa and it's for life.

Very true, it'd just be nice if those running the club had the same passion.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Virgil Caine on January 29, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
I sympathise BCBB but probably like me you go with the hope that one day it might all be better. We all have different reasons for supporting the Villa, mine is that is the link with my late and great Dad and,as he used to take me, I now have the pleasure and privilege of taking my own boy down to Villa Park.

Yes in the 43 years of being a supporter I have been, in equal measures, heartbroken, elated, depressed, ecstatic, demoralised and bought to tears by both the joy and sheer frustration of this wonderful, bizarre, fantastic institution that is Aston Villa Football Club.

Keep the faith my friend.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: preston28 on January 29, 2012, 07:13:35 PM
Because it's an addiction. Like golf - you can have a crap 17 holes but play a blinder on the 18th and birdie it and you'll be back next week. Same with the Villa I'm afraid.

You could move away like I did and work weekends - that'll stop you buying a season ticket!  ;)
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: CT on January 29, 2012, 07:14:31 PM
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I do wonder how,  when i'm the wrong side of 40, can a fucking football team still leave me as gutted, deflated and depressed as I feel right now

Ditto. I went from mentally beginning to orgainse going to Sunderland / Boro away to being so f-kin angry. It's certainly ruined the rest of the day for me!!
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 29, 2012, 07:14:59 PM
I'm not remotely looking forward to Weds night. Right now i'm very very tempted to not bother.

I'd forgotten about Wednesday.

There were 3 South African blokes in the Strathallan who watched the game today. They were rugby fans and knew sod all about football, proven by asking gems like, can't you kick the bloke who can use his hands in the face to make him drop it?

Anyway, seems they are staying and working here for a week or so and asked if there were any local games they could go and see as they would like to experience being at a game. I'm pretty sure I persuaded them to go to VP on Weds. I feel very very guilty right now.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Legion on January 29, 2012, 07:16:11 PM
Just make sure they come to me for their match program.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: jembob on January 29, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
 I had the chance to go to Emirates today all expenses paid, first class travel, hospitality etc but I decided to go to a family get together instead. It really wasn't a tough choice - it may have been in previous seasons but with our current defensive form I could only see disaster. No doubt it would have ended with a scuffle in the posh seats which would have annoyed my boss so I'm glad I found other things to do.

See you all Wednesday.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Nev on January 29, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
I don't give my valuable time and rarely do these days.

My time is more valuable to me than it is to the club, and they have made that perfectly clear in the last couple of years.

It still fuckin' hurts though.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: andrew08 on January 29, 2012, 07:46:16 PM
it's because it's so unimportant that makes it so bloody important.

 I've suffered all the Big Upsets; Divorce, death of a parent,collapse of a business which made me homeless with a newborn child. All of which I dusted myself down from and got on with it afterwards.

But Villa defeats really do cripple me emotionally, I think it's because I'm not in control of the situation. Today's game doesn't feel so bad but after Swansea, for example , I was gutted for days. So silly really and I wish I could give it up.....but bloody hell did I leap around like a kid again when Bent scored today.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: mattjpa on January 29, 2012, 07:48:59 PM
Heroes and villains, THE villa match day official program. Doesn't have the same ring to it....
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 29, 2012, 08:05:38 PM
I avoided it and told my mates to keep quiet as I was at a family birthday, I was nearly home when my dipstick mate sent me a joke completely ruined it but in a way I'm glad he did. I watched it on fast forward, shocking 2nd half.

I'm used to it. Will still put myself through it next week. It's what we do
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Fuse on January 29, 2012, 08:13:55 PM
I have a season ticket and spent over £2k on tickets for family this season. I ahve been to 1 home game since Wigan at him back in October was it? Not because I ahd things clashign or family weddings etc, purely because I could not be bothered going to watch a football club who sole aim is to not get relegated. Nothing more just don;t get relegated,in the hope that one day we might fluke a cup run or a top 7 finish.

Why should I give my time up for that? Never in all the 30 years I have supported this club have they ever not gone out to compete. Even Doug would never admit to what Lerner has got us looking to do.

Well no more for me. I won;t be back this season as I have better thigns to do with my time than give my days away for those shower fo wankers.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: ez on January 29, 2012, 08:14:01 PM
The problem I have is we're really not getting anything back from the club.

Yep. We're waiting for something to happen and nothing is.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2012, 08:18:01 PM
Supporting Villa is a bit like having a pet dog.

Not a pedigree or anything fancy, but a likeable kind of breed, say a Collie, or maybe a Labrador. It doesn't do anything very fancy - it won't do tricks, doesn't carry your paper back from the newsagent or anything like that - but it is pretty loveable and you've become stupidly attached to it.

Most mornings it bounces into your bedroom, tail wagging, and nudges your face with its wet nose to wake you up, and you think how glad you are to have it in your life, you love that old mutt.

The only problem is that, every now and then, rather than nudge you lovingly, it vomits into your open, snoring mouth, just when you're not expecting it, and you start to have fantasies about sticking it in a sack with a couple of bricks and throwing the fucking thing in the cut.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 29, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
My brain must be addled because I have no desire to jump under a bus. Wednesday will come and go. Pushing a trolley round Tesco at a weekend is not my idea of fun.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Stu on January 29, 2012, 08:34:07 PM
As pissed off as get with them, I'll end up going down again at some point. I'm pretty pissed off with the club at the mo, I feel like the board duped the fans a bit with all the 'bright future' stuff and as a consequence I can't be arsed to hand over my cash. This one man boycott is easy for me to keep up though to be honest, I work every Saturday and every Wednesday evening.

I'll be back, of course I will. It's like family.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: ez on January 29, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
Makes me think of that down time under Doug when the supporters said sell us our season tickets. O'Leary's last season? Can see a similar scenario in the summer.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Chris Smith on January 29, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
Because, like most football fans, it's about following your club not winning things. Most people will go through their whole life without seeing their team win much, we're probably better off than the fans of all but a handful of clubs in that respect. It doesn't make you feel any better after a defeat but if people were only in it for the good times the game would have died years ago.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on January 29, 2012, 09:23:50 PM
I didn't renew this season - for the first time in 25 years.

I don't miss it in the slightest. I pop down to the local, get there 5 minutes before kick off, have a 3 or 4 pints, watch the game and then sod off home grumbling, but safe in the knowledge i've saved money not paying to watch that mediocre shit served up by millionaires who don't give a flying fuck about the club I love.

When they can be bothered, and the owner can be bothered, then maybe I will.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: villajk on January 29, 2012, 09:58:13 PM
My brain must be addled because I have no desire to jump under a bus. Wednesday will come and go. Pushing a trolley round Tesco at a weekend is not my idea of fun.

And you weren't even with me yesterday.  I suffered Tesco alone.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: villajk on January 29, 2012, 10:02:43 PM
Supporting Villa is a bit like having a pet dog.

Not a pedigree or anything fancy, but a likeable kind of breed, say a Collie, or maybe a Labrador. It doesn't do anything very fancy - it won't do tricks, doesn't carry your paper back from the newsagent or anything like that - but it is pretty loveable and you've become stupidly attached to it.

Most mornings it bounces into your bedroom, tail wagging, and nudges your face with its wet nose to wake you up, and you think how glad you are to have it in your life, you love that old mutt.

The only problem is that, every now and then, rather than nudge you lovingly, it vomits into your open, snoring mouth, just when you're not expecting it, and you start to have fantasies about sticking it in a sack with a couple of bricks and throwing the fucking thing in the cut.

Haha very good, especially the last paragraph.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Kingthing on January 29, 2012, 10:07:19 PM
Because if you went to Chelsea you'd know why, get over it, move on and enjoy the good times.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 29, 2012, 11:42:42 PM
Supporting Villa is a bit like having a pet dog.

Not a pedigree or anything fancy, but a likeable kind of breed, say a Collie, or maybe a Labrador. It doesn't do anything very fancy - it won't do tricks, doesn't carry your paper back from the newsagent or anything like that - but it is pretty loveable and you've become stupidly attached to it.

Most mornings it bounces into your bedroom, tail wagging, and nudges your face with its wet nose to wake you up, and you think how glad you are to have it in your life, you love that old mutt.

The only problem is that, every now and then, rather than nudge you lovingly, it vomits into your open, snoring mouth, just when you're not expecting it, and you start to have fantasies about sticking it in a sack with a couple of bricks and throwing the fucking thing in the cut.

I have two labradors...
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Astral Weeks on January 30, 2012, 09:07:09 AM
I've never been a season ticket holder because I have to work shifts, including quite a few weekends. I've always gone to quite a lot of home games, though, probably upwards of 10-12 a season for many years. This season, however, I haven't been at all, and the sad thing is, I probably won't.
 
My reasons are similar to many of those given by others in this thread; basically, I don't feel that either the management or quite a lot of the players at the club give a fuck any more, so why should I? Why should I give up my time and a pretty big slice of my money (in increasingly dodgy times as far as employment goes) to watch a team that's pretty much guaranteed to disappoint and frustrate? I was horrified when we hired McLeish as manager (not because of where he came from but because I was pretty convinced he was a shit manager), but his appointment was a symptom of our sharp decline, not a cause, IMO.You can call me a fair weather supporter if you like, but after following the Villa for 46 years I feel I've earned the right to withhold my active support if that's how I feel. I'll be back one day - I just don't know when.

Yesterday morning my wife and I were discussing whether or not to go and see a film that afternoon. It was a close call, but in the end I decided to watch the match instead. No prizes for guessing which option I wished I'd taken come 6 o'clock last night.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 30, 2012, 10:16:28 AM
I love these threads!

Look, if you have had enough, or can't justify the cost, or you missus has found something better for you to do, then stop going! Watching football is just a hobby, a pastime, something you do at the weekend, if you think you can give it up then carry on.
Villa will carry on without you, the rest of us will go when we can or when we feel like it.
It really isn't important enough that we need yet another "I've had enough, I'm giving up" thread every time we lose.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2012, 10:28:52 AM
Look, if you have had enough, or can't justify the cost, or you missus has found something better for you to do, then stop going! Watching football is just a hobby, a pastime, something you do at the weekend, if you think you can give it up then carry on.
Villa will carry on without you, the rest of us will go when we can or when we feel like it.
It really isn't important enough that we need yet another "I've had enough, I'm giving up" thread every time we lose.

Have you read the thread, Dave?

Bar a couple of posts which could be read that way, it isn't one of those threads at all. In fact, it is largely the opposite.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: E I Adio on January 30, 2012, 10:40:49 AM
Reading this thread it's heartening to see that many people are still sanguine about continuing to support the team even though the team is in a period of decline with so few indications of hope for better things to come. Good for you. I wish I could still be the same. I gave up my season ticket in the mid 80's at the end of a season when I could only recall one game that I would have attended during the season had I known beforehand how bad the rest would have been. It was not just that we'd played appallingly for two or three seasons, (I'd happily stood on the Holte all through the 60's, and boy were we shit then) it was because of the contrast between winning the European Cup and a rapid decline with seemingly no hope of redemption. The contrast was just too much for me to stomach. It was not enjoyable in any sense of the word. It was just too painful.

I know we didn't exactly win the European Cup with MON, but there was hope of progress and better things to come. It's so hard to see that now.

I go to few games these days, but being a Villa fan never leaves you despite what your brain might tell you. I watched the game on my computer yesterday. I punched the air and screamed YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS like a schoolboy when Bent scored. I am 65.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: NeilH on January 30, 2012, 10:41:52 AM
I went with my mates to Vale Park on Saturday to see them play Plymouth. Pre-match we were chatting to a group of Plymouth fans about the state of their club. Despite everything they were still prepared to travel up from Devon on a freezing day to watch their team, because they love the club and that’s what they do. Speaking to the friends of my Vale supporting mates, I got the same story. Both of these teams have won the square route of jack sh** through their history and most young Vale fans will not remember the glory years of Rudge, just dire Div2 football.

Our great club has been blessed with a history that these two teams can only dream of. Virtually all of us have been to Wembley, most of us have seen us win a trophy and some of us have witnessed a life-changing night in the De Kuip. I know that yesterday hurts and we’re in the dumps right now, but I best most of you that went to Arsenal yesterday had a great time pre-match and probably a good post-match moan. Enjoy it for what it is and remember that we will have our time. Not now and maybe it will take year, but we will, just like Vale flirted with the Championship play-offs in 1997 and Plymouth a few year ago.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2012, 10:47:45 AM
No season ticket for me next year.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2012, 10:47:48 AM
Simple. It's family.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 30, 2012, 10:57:57 AM
Look, if you have had enough, or can't justify the cost, or you missus has found something better for you to do, then stop going! Watching football is just a hobby, a pastime, something you do at the weekend, if you think you can give it up then carry on.
Villa will carry on without you, the rest of us will go when we can or when we feel like it.
It really isn't important enough that we need yet another "I've had enough, I'm giving up" thread every time we lose.

Have you read the thread, Dave?

Bar a couple of posts which could be read that way, it isn't one of those threads at all. In fact, it is largely the opposite.

Exactly. I just wondered what it is that makes people keep going back when it only ever seems to get us down.

Perhaps Villa are the football equivalent of Heroin (and I'm making this basis on pure hearsay as I've never take the drug) - it's addictive, the initial feeling is fantastic and then you have the comedown, which is shit and doesn't compensate for the high, but then you keep needing another hit.

Aston Villa: The Future is Brown.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: VillaAlways on January 30, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
My kids have been to Derby (A) Fulham (A) Arsenal (H) Swansea (H) and yesterday They looked horrified when I said they were also going on Wednesday
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Astral Weeks on January 30, 2012, 11:57:31 AM
My kids have been to Derby (A) Fulham (A) Arsenal (H) Swansea (H) and yesterday They looked horrified when I said they were also going on Wednesday

I'm getting on to Childline. That's child abuse.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Legion on January 30, 2012, 12:03:15 PM
My kids have been to Derby (A) Fulham (A) Arsenal (H) Swansea (H) and yesterday They looked horrified when I said they were also going on Wednesday

Have they been naughty at school or something?
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2012, 12:11:25 PM
I avoided it and told my mates to keep quiet as I was at a family birthday, I was nearly home when my dipstick mate sent me a joke completely ruined it but in a way I'm glad he did. I watched it on fast forward, shocking 2nd half.

I'm used to it. Will still put myself through it next week. It's what we do

Was that why Villa can never own a dog?
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 30, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
Look, if you have had enough, or can't justify the cost, or you missus has found something better for you to do, then stop going! Watching football is just a hobby, a pastime, something you do at the weekend, if you think you can give it up then carry on.
Villa will carry on without you, the rest of us will go when we can or when we feel like it.
It really isn't important enough that we need yet another "I've had enough, I'm giving up" thread every time we lose.

Have you read the thread, Dave?

Bar a couple of posts which could be read that way, it isn't one of those threads at all. In fact, it is largely the opposite.

I have now (properly), apologies to most.
But the point still stands, after just about every defeat or poor performance someone comes on here bleating about how shit it all is and how they are seriously thinking of not going again until [insert current target of popular anger] has gone.
Good, don't go, it's football, it's not really very important at all in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: VillaAlways on January 30, 2012, 12:13:04 PM
My kids have been to Derby (A) Fulham (A) Arsenal (H) Swansea (H) and yesterday They looked horrified when I said they were also going on Wednesday

Have they been naughty at school or something?
Ha,they're angels Lee.They don't deserve this torture.I'm just hoping they're surely due to see a win on Wednesday
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Pete3206 on January 30, 2012, 12:52:30 PM
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: darren woolley on January 30, 2012, 01:18:28 PM
To me following Villa is a passion whether we play good or bad I know I'll be there next week like people have said when you go to the games you come to support the Villa and that's what's important so I'll be there come rain or shine.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2012, 01:30:49 PM
To me following Villa is a passion whether we play good or bad I know I'll be there next week like people have said when you go to the games you come to support the Villa and that's what's important so I'll be there come rain or shine.

Do you travel up for all the home games, Darren?
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Villafirst on January 30, 2012, 01:34:43 PM
It was very much 50-50 whether I renewed this season - I did in the end but wish I hadn't wasted £525.00 of hard earned money. If this continues and there is still this stupid childish silence from the Lerner and co then there's no way I'll renew next season. He's not once stated the club's intentions after the so-called 5 year plan went wrong, and is quite frankly ignorant towards the fans. I've had a season ticket for 23 years (missing only one season) and I'm sure I'm not alone with these thoughts.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: sid1964 on January 30, 2012, 01:47:08 PM
The summer will be the true test for McLeish...if we only have between 10 - 15000 fans renew then just like the O'leary summer the board will act they will have no choice!!!

It will be interesting to see what attendance we get between now and the end of the season - if they drop regularly below the 30k mark then i think the end of McLeish is inevitable
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 30, 2012, 02:28:55 PM
  (I'd happily stood on the Holte all through the 60's, and boy were we shit then)

But it only cost 1s/6d (7.5p for the youngsters) and that included the bus fare and a bag of chips. There were only two TV channels, and no football, and the players were on less than the average Longbridge worker. 
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2012, 02:31:51 PM
What's funny is that my rage over yesterday has already largely subsided and come Wednesday I'll be fully expecting Villa to batter QPR. It's funny how the mind plays tricks on you!
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 30, 2012, 02:48:40 PM


It will be interesting to see what attendance we get between now and the end of the season - if they drop regularly below the 30k mark then i think the end of McLeish is inevitable

But why. If Villa finish in, say, the top 14, with a substantially reduced wage bill then, by most accounts, Mcleish will have done what he was brought into do.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: E I Adio on January 30, 2012, 02:50:34 PM
  (I'd happily stood on the Holte all through the 60's, and boy were we shit then)

But it only cost 1s/6d (7.5p for the youngsters) and that included the bus fare and a bag of chips. There were only two TV channels, and no football, and the players were on less than the average Longbridge worker. 

Good points, but since I was earning the grand sum of £3.2s.6d a week, it was still quite a lot.

And it was still shit.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: CJ on January 30, 2012, 03:23:52 PM


It will be interesting to see what attendance we get between now and the end of the season - if they drop regularly below the 30k mark then i think the end of McLeish is inevitable

But why. If Villa finish in, say, the top 14, with a substantially reduced wage bill then, by most accounts, Mcleish will have done what he was brought into do.

Agreed. I think Lerner gave McCleish 2 objectives this season - reduce the wage bill and keep us in the PL. The only way he'll get the push is if we get relegated. And if I'm honest I think it will be the same next year with very little transfer activity in the summer other than the departure of those at the end of their contracts such as Beye, Cuellar and Heskey. We've become the Aston  Browns.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 30, 2012, 03:44:20 PM


It will be interesting to see what attendance we get between now and the end of the season - if they drop regularly below the 30k mark then i think the end of McLeish is inevitable

But why. If Villa finish in, say, the top 14, with a substantially reduced wage bill then, by most accounts, Mcleish will have done what he was brought into do.

Agreed. I think Lerner gave McCleish 2 objectives this season - reduce the wage bill and keep us in the PL. The only way he'll get the push is if we get relegated. And if I'm honest I think it will be the same next year with very little transfer activity in the summer other than the departure of those at the end of their contracts such as Beye, Cuellar and Heskey. We've become the Aston  Browns.

I am with you on that. I sense there is at least one more season of austerity and survival. What happens after that possibly depends on how much Bank of America shares recover.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: olaftab on January 30, 2012, 04:00:53 PM
I'm not remotely looking forward to Weds night. Right now i'm very very tempted to not bother.

See you Wednesday. Legion needs a guard!
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 30, 2012, 07:47:57 PM
Look, if you have had enough, or can't justify the cost, or you missus has found something better for you to do, then stop going! Watching football is just a hobby, a pastime, something you do at the weekend, if you think you can give it up then carry on.
Villa will carry on without you, the rest of us will go when we can or when we feel like it.
It really isn't important enough that we need yet another "I've had enough, I'm giving up" thread every time we lose.

Have you read the thread, Dave?

Bar a couple of posts which could be read that way, it isn't one of those threads at all. In fact, it is largely the opposite.

I have now (properly), apologies to most.
But the point still stands, after just about every defeat or poor performance someone comes on here bleating about how shit it all is and how they are seriously thinking of not going again until [insert current target of popular anger] has gone.
Good, don't go, it's football, it's not really very important at all in the grand scheme of things.

You still don't get it. My question is why do we keep going back, I'm not saying I won't go back, because I know I will (already looking forward to Wednesday (?!?!).

If you were treated this way by anything/anyone else, you'd knock it/them on the head. Perhaps the only other thing people tolerate on a similar level is family. Maybe bands (my Dad has continued to see Bob Dylan from the 60's all the way through to today, even though I know he knows he's nothing compared to what he was).
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 30, 2012, 07:53:50 PM
I DO get it, I've been through it, countless times.
The thing is, I just make a decision. Is it worth my while going, or not, I don't feel the need to tell the world that I can't be arsed to watch my football team next week because they are crap.
It's your hobby, decide if you want to go or not, I for one don't care, sorry.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2012, 08:03:06 PM
Well you must care to some degree Dave otherwise you wouldn't keep posting on this type of thread. *winky*
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2012, 08:20:11 PM
I don't go very often.  I did for a few years when I was a teenager but then started playing rugby at a fairly high standard where I was playing saturdays and training monday and wednesday.  Since I stopped playing rugby I've got too used to saturdays at home with the kids who are too young to go watch sport so no doing.

I'll be looking at starting to go watching sport a lot with my little boy in a few years and, even if it's shit, I can guarantee most of that will be going to watch Villa (with the odd rugby and cricket game thrown in), that I know this will happen despite the fact that I hate watching us at the minute (but still feel empty inside if I can't find a stream) makes me realise that it's clearly something that is in the blood and we can't do anything about.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: The Villan On The Wirral on January 30, 2012, 08:23:17 PM
Because if you went to Chelsea you'd know why, get over it, move on and enjoy the good times.

Absolutely agree with this.I posted on twitter at the time that that win was for the 700-800 who went down.

Following Aston Villa is a long,frustrating and sometimes glorious journey.Keep the faith.

Up the Villa
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 30, 2012, 08:29:18 PM
It is a long journey. I think being plunged into the 3rd Division set me up to appreciate everything that followed. As it happens, they were great days. You have to make a day of it. It is not just football.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Clampy on January 30, 2012, 08:31:23 PM
You have to make a day of it. It is not just football.

My mate said the same thing to me yesterday. It's not just the game, win lose or draw, it's normally a good day out.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Hoppo on January 30, 2012, 08:49:06 PM
Its all about the beer. Few beers. QPR few more beers then Snobs. Quality!


Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 31, 2012, 09:41:20 AM
Well you must care to some degree Dave otherwise you wouldn't keep posting on this type of thread. *winky*

Touché and all that.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Aston Manor on January 31, 2012, 08:29:56 PM
I persist with Villa because they're like heroin. They can give me a high like no adrenalin rush that can ever be explained. EG Wembley, Rotterdam, Everton 3-2... but they can give me lows that  are just bad trips, 86-87, 03-03-03 etc. But mostly it is a dependency jus to see me through the humdrum of what is turgid, middle-of-the road normality until I die. I sometimes wish I didn't have this dependency but can't shake it. And as any addict will tell you you can only get off it if YOU want to. I do but I don't. And so I'll keep going. Until I get those few and far between highs. Those few and far between highs that cannot be explained to those who don't share this addiciton but make us that do live in hope for a life of them.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 31, 2012, 08:46:31 PM
I stop going to Villa and doesn't miss it. This is due to less income and changing work hours on saturday. I decided I prefer Salsa than football. There is not enough high in football. I just hate watching passionless dull pathetic football from our players.  I still watch Villa on TV when it is on. I noticed I watched more American football than football this season.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 31, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
I persist with Villa because they're like heroin. They can give me a high like no adrenalin rush that can ever be explained. EG Wembley, Rotterdam, Everton 3-2... but they can give me lows that  are just bad trips, 86-87, 03-03-03 etc. But mostly it is a dependency jus to see me through the humdrum of what is turgid, middle-of-the road normality until I die. I sometimes wish I didn't have this dependency but can't shake it. And as any addict will tell you you can only get off it if YOU want to. I do but I don't. And so I'll keep going. Until I get those few and far between highs. Those few and far between highs that cannot be explained to those who don't share this addiciton but make us that do live in hope for a life of them.
What a brilliant post. The question is, what is the alternative?
I forgot to mention. Someone said to my wife once 'you should get a life'.
Those who follow football, whoever they support, have got a life; one that takes them to places where they would otherwise never go and one where they meet some great characters. An example is Bill Wyman or Jesus Dave who walked to our pub of choice from Euston on Sunday. It must have been four miles. He then walked another two miles to the ground.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2012, 09:15:29 PM
I persist with Villa because they're like heroin. They can give me a high like no adrenalin rush that can ever be explained. EG Wembley, Rotterdam, Everton 3-2... but they can give me lows that  are just bad trips, 86-87, 03-03-03 etc. But mostly it is a dependency jus to see me through the humdrum of what is turgid, middle-of-the road normality until I die. I sometimes wish I didn't have this dependency but can't shake it. And as any addict will tell you you can only get off it if YOU want to. I do but I don't. And so I'll keep going. Until I get those few and far between highs. Those few and far between highs that cannot be explained to those who don't share this addiciton but make us that do live in hope for a life of them.
What a brilliant post. The question is, what is the alternative?
I forgot to mention. Someone said to my wife once 'you should get a life'.
Those who follow football, whoever they support, have got a life; one that takes them to places where they would otherwise never go and one where they meet some great characters. An example is Bill Wyman or Jesus Dave who walked to our pub of choice from Euston on Sunday. It must have been four miles. He then walked another two miles to the ground.

No he didn't, he levitated.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: ez on January 31, 2012, 09:27:45 PM
We could have done with a cup run to keep the season exciting. The thing is we are now halfway-ish between the europa league and relegation places and unlikely to finish in either so the casual supporters won't bother.
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Bad English on January 31, 2012, 09:35:53 PM
match program.
Have you taken up residence in Chicago with Mr Leach?
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Legion on February 01, 2012, 07:41:40 AM
me?
Title: Re: Why do I give valuable time...
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 01, 2012, 01:40:45 PM
me?

Yes, that's what you need to add on to the end of the word 'program'!
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