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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on January 09, 2012, 08:25:26 PM
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This now seems a done deal. From the Everton pre-match thread:
Am I alone in thinking that taking Keane on loan is a big mistake?
He would have been a great signing all those years ago but not now.
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I wouldn't say it's a 'big mistake'. I just don't see him offering anything that we don't have already.
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I suppose an extra body is not to be sniffed at, but it's further proof that we've no long term plan in place. It seems that we're now just existing from season to season, hand to mouth.
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Oh well hopefully he works out.
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I just can't grasp the thinking behind it. How is the expense justified re:the wage bill mantra? What do we expect to get from it/him? It's just bizarre and seemingly pointless, and typically nothing from the club to explain it. It's hardly a marquee signing like Terry Henry at Arse is it? Just weird!
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Agree with Legion.
I said when we were linked with before pubehead fucked off that he was shot and nothing that has transpired since has gone towards making me re-evalulate that. On the bright side he can't be any worse than Heskey and he'll only be with us for two months. It's just such a pointless signing. I'll willingly be proven wrong but I don't see it happening.
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If things are as tight as we are led to believe then if the £750000 being touted is correct
then it is pretty foolish.
The phrase meh was made for.....Robbie Keane joins Aston Villa on loan for two months.
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I'm not a fan of the move. It's rumoured it will cost us between 500K-750K for 2 months. Considering we don't seem to have much of a pot to piss in these days i'd prefer that money going towards a permanent signing, even if it wasn't until the summer.
Plus, we need to find out at some stage if Fonz or Weimann can cut it at this level. Keane coming in just pushes them down the pecking order.
And finally, where does he fit in? Unless someone is injured he's going to be spending a fair bit of time on the bench, which is a waste of the previously mentioned money. Or, he's going to be pushing someone out that is actually a long term Villa player (Gabby or Ireland) for example.
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If he scores goals we will be happy, Weimann should go straight back to Watford, we need him to develope.
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To see the likes of our younger prospects on the bench while a busted flush like Keane runs around on a semi retirement meal ticket will be pretty hard to take.
Pires all over again. I hope I'm wrong.
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When you see Scholes making a cameo for Utd, Henry resigning for Arsenal & Donavon back at Everton then it seems we're not alone. Don't think it's as bad as some make out. Doubt he'll be first choice and I'd rather him come off the bench than the options we currently have.
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Not at this price.
Surely we are better of looking for a team player that wants to wear the shirt, I understand these legendary players like Becks and Henry for the shirts they will sell, but this don't make sense and as mentioned whoever gets dropped is going to feel well p*ssed of.
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Pointless.
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It can hardly be classed as a big mistake if he's only going to be here for 2 months. He's an improvement on Heskey for a start.
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Worries me that Bent's leaving.
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Is he?
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If Keane can come in and make an impact, great.
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Is he?
If this is a response to my comment, I meant that the signing makes me concerned that Bent might be leaving, not that he is.
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It was. Thanks for the clarification.
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I suppose an extra body is not to be sniffed at, but it's further proof that we've no long term plan in place. It seems that we're now just existing from season to season, hand to mouth.
I don't see how you can make that connection. This is something ee're doing now in the short term, it says nothing about next season or beyond.
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After the Jenas debacle, has it been established who pays if he gets injured 20 minutes into his debut?
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After the Jenas debacle, has it been established who pays if he gets injured 20 minutes into his debut?
Wouldn't surprise me if we have had to pay Spurs some kind of payment.
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This now seems a done deal. From the Everton pre-match thread:
Am I alone in thinking that taking Keane on loan is a big mistake?
He would have been a great signing all those years ago but not now.
If it means we unload Heskey then it's a good deal for me. Not a very forward thinking move but hey ho it's where we are at...
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This now seems a done deal. From the Everton pre-match thread:
Am I alone in thinking that taking Keane on loan is a big mistake?
He would have been a great signing all those years ago but not now.
Still don't think he would have have been a good signing even under JG because I have never rated him. Most of his goals have come from lucky miss-hits or were due to goalkeeper errors. And as for being a good signing right now, well....*&%$ that!
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As others have said, 750k for a bloke for 2 months who's better than Heskey. Well you could buy someone outright for that who's better than Heskey, so why bother? Really doesn't sit comfortably with all this "expensive wage bill" crap the club is peddling.
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Desperate signing, and not what we need at all.
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welcome Robbie. Do your best for the time you are here.
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This now seems a done deal. From the Everton pre-match thread:
Am I alone in thinking that taking Keane on loan is a big mistake?
He would have been a great signing all those years ago but not now.
Still don't think he would have have been a good signing even under JG because I have never rated him. Most of his goals have come from lucky miss-hits or were due to goalkeeper errors. And as for being a good signing right now, well....*&%$ that!
Now I'm not saying he's the answer to all our problems (and have been critical of him in the past), but you don't become the highest international goals scorer for any of the 4 "home nations" without having something about you. The notion that most of his goals were miss-hits or goalkeeper cock ups is absolute nonsense.
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Well if he can finish like Henry just did, that'll do.
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I'm ok with it, i can't see what harm it can do.
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welcome Robbie. Do your best for the time you are here.
This.
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I really can't see a problem with this at all.If he does what Henrys done fir Arsenal tonight I'll be happy
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Each league position is worth about 800k isn't it? Scored 2 winners while he is here, he has made us a profit. Scores the winner at Arsenal in the cup and he has. All relative, but there are much worse options out there. One being Heskey.
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welcome Robbie. Do your best for the time you are here.
This.
Ditto
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welcome Robbie. Do your best for the time you are here.
This.
Ditto
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Each league position is worth about 800k isn't it? Scored 2 winners while he is here, he has made us a profit. Scores the winner at Arsenal in the cup and he has. All relative, but there are much worse options out there. One being Heskey.
things make alot more sense when a deep breath has been taken....a good point well made. I dont think the lad is here for a holiday-what would be the point. If we rotate him and bent a little up front it may mean not turning to the unproven kids at the back end of the season when our paper thin squad is usually exposed. I think the doom mongerers on here need to chill the f**k out, it really is only for two months and could actually have a positive effect on delf and weimann
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Each league position is worth about 800k isn't it? Scored 2 winners while he is here, he has made us a profit. Scores the winner at Arsenal in the cup and he has. All relative, but there are much worse options out there. One being Heskey.
This would make sense if we were short in this area.We are not though as we are already paying
Bent,Gabby,Fonz,Weiman,Heskey and Ireland to do that.
If you were a young Villa player what would it say to you if the journeyman Keane turned up for two months
and pushed you even further down the pecking order?
As Greg and others have said the Heskey argument is unfathomnable.
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Back to the days of being underwhelmed
Welcome make it worth it
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Each league position is worth about 800k isn't it? Scored 2 winners while he is here, he has made us a profit. Scores the winner at Arsenal in the cup and he has. All relative, but there are much worse options out there. One being Heskey.
Yes good point, so why do I get the nagging feeling it won't be Heskey McLiesh drops....
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welcome Robbie. Do your best for the time you are here.
This.
Ditto
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if he scores a few we'll love him
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Each league position is worth about 800k isn't it? Scored 2 winners while he is here, he has made us a profit. Scores the winner at Arsenal in the cup and he has. All relative, but there are much worse options out there. One being Heskey.
Yes good point, so why do I get the nagging feeling it won't be Heskey McLiesh drops....
I thought Heskey was out for 3/4 weeks anyway?
Time for him to get fit in time to leave for Leicester...it's written in the wind!
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welcome Robbie. Do your best for the time you are here.
This.
Ditto
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if he scores a few we'll love him
Plus 3. Good luck to him.
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I suppose it stops AM and the club moaning about the wage bill. if we don't get a decent midfielder in and he uses that old excuse, we can point to the 40k a week tied up in the reserve striker he's just bought in
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I'd have been delighted to get him in 1999. Not gutted or delighted now. If he's wearing a Villa shirt I'll be behind him.
Is this the first time he's ever arrived at a club without describing it as a "dream move"?
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I'd have been delighted to get him in 1999. Not gutted or delighted now. If he's wearing a Villa shirt I'll be behind him.
Is this the first time he's ever arrived at a club without describing it as a "dream move"?
Give him time.
He will.
It is!
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Villa fans are under-rating what he can do. Even if just an impact sub for 20 minutes he can change a game. Remember, he offers an alternative to Bent's 'goal poaching' and Gabby's pace. He comes deep to get the ball, he has strength, good skill and can score from outside the box.
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Villa fans are under-rating what he can do. Even if just an impact sub for 20 minutes he can change a game. Remember, he offers an alternative to Bent's 'goal poaching' and Gabby's pace. He comes deep to get the ball, he has strength, good skill and can score from outside the box.
Is he Irish by any chance?;-)
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I'm going to do something incredible. I'm going to give him a chance. I'm bloody mental.
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I can see him doing well for us. Good luck. It might be the making of Bent as well.
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I suppose an extra body is not to be sniffed at, but it's further proof that we've no long term plan in place. It seems that we're now just existing from season to season, hand to mouth.
Just like Arsenal and Man U then?
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Villa fans are under-rating what he can do. Even if just an impact sub for 20 minutes he can change a game. Remember, he offers an alternative to Bent's 'goal poaching' and Gabby's pace. He comes deep to get the ball, he has strength, good skill and can score from outside the box.
Is he Irish by any chance?;-)
They tell me he's a lazy, dole scrounging scum bag ;-)
p.s I hope you have read through the Stewart Downing thread or you won't get that!
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Good luck at VP Keano, let's see a bit of what we should have seen 10 years ago ...
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I think he'll do alright here. He's a positive character who will be good for the dressing room. He's a hard worker and might pair up with Bent nicely as a late substitute when we're in need of a goal. It's never bad to have cover, especially in the goal scoring department.
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And it can give us an partnership already with understanding (Bent and Hutton) and he also played with our Irish players.
Given, Dunne, Clark, Ireland and Edna (soon)
If Keane get his hunger to perform it should be fine. We also can have option to play 4-1-4-1 formation with Keane, Albrighton, Ireland and Agbonlahor in attacking midfield 4.
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I'd rather have JPA!!
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Last seasons players today. First Heskey than Pires and now Keane. We really are a TK Mexx club now.
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How about, let's give him a chance. Back up for 2 months, hardly the end of the world.
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I'm absolutely fine with Keane coming in. I really dont see anything to be upset about.
He's not old, he's not shit, he may just do alright you know. If he was in his pomp he would be costing 8 figures but he's not and that's why he's coming over for a short spell. He should improve us a little.
And if he doesn't then he goes home in a couple of months and thats that. What harm?
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I'd rather have JPA!!
Id rather have his son . Geronimo
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As one or two have already said,Keane cannot be any worse than Heskey I watched him play here in Manila just before Christmas and allowing for the standard of the oppostion he did ok. He stood out more than Donovan who played alongside him and he has returned to Everton. Worth a go
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I don't agree with the OP that it's a big mistake, but I can't see Keane making much of an impact. The signing does add to the feeling that we're a little unimaginative in the transfer market, thouigh.
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I saw him last season when he was at West Ham on loan and to me it looked like his legs had gone.Prior to his switch to Anfield i'd have loved to have signed Keane but now i'd rather see us taking a punt on a lower division striker who has something to prove ie Rhodes or Maynard than whacking 750k for two months on a player who is two years past his best.
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Well he is not as old as I thought. Before we were linked with him I thought he must be around 34 or 35. But at 31 I can not believe the above statement that his legs have gone?
I have already said I like him, but what he will be like now Iv'e no idea but I do hope QBVilla you are mistaken on his general fitness as this will be a mistake.
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Perhaps 'big mistake' was not the best choice of words.
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not so much a mistake as a why bother? when you need players all over the pitch then it seems a bit odd to start in the one position we have got some depth in. Okay so Heskey's out but we still have fonz and the other kidas back-up. In other areas of the team we haven't even got a decent 1st choice.
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Can't see any logic to it
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I will back him while he plays for the Villa.
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How about, let's give him a chance. Back up for 2 months, hardly the end of the world.
Except that about half a million pounds of supporters money down the drain for someone who is unlikely to play and if he does unlikely to contribute anything at all. I remember his last appearance at VP playing for Liverpool.
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I can't really understand the consternation surrounding this deal, unless it really is a pre-cursor to Bent being sold, which I doubt.
For two months, we get the opportunity to use an international-quality striker with proven Premier League experience; I don't know if his sharp edges have been dulled since being with LA Galaxy but, as has been said, Keane's still only 31 and his game has never been about pace.
We don't have another striker like him in the squad, Heskey is out for another month, and at times - recently, especially - our bench has looked pretty thin. I expect a series of 20-30 min cameos from Keane in the next two months, maybe the odd start. He'd allow us to play a slightly different formation from time to time, a genuine slightly deeper-lying striker behind a centre-forward.
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Anyone would think he's signed for 3 years, on £60k a week in replace of Gabby. ;D
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Keane at 31 must be preferable to Pires at 37 and Heskey at 33. It makes sense to me with Heskey being out for at least a month that leaves us with only 2 senior strikers and Gabby is likely to be required out wide for certain matches as we only have 2 wide players for those 2 spots as well.
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I wasn't keen on this deal at first but having taken some time to think about it, I think this will be a good bit of business in the short term. He has a lot of experience and will do better than Fonz and Weimann. At the moment, we do need some experience in the side and he clearly brings it. Everyone keeps saying lets play the youth but say if that doesn't work and we find ourselves in deep trouble fighting relegation? Then we would have a lot of fans starting to get on the backs of the youth players and dent their confidence.
With Heskey injured, we only have Bent and Gabby as our only experienced forwards so bringing Keane in is a no brainer even if its for 6 games. He may possibly score some important goals for us which get us to the "magic" 40 point mark which will most likely see us playing PL football again next season. He is only 31 so cant really call him a journey man. He will be giving 110% especially with the Euro's coming up.
Good Luck Robbie! You definitely have my support now!
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I wasn't keen on this deal at first but having taken some time to think about it, I think this will be a good bit of business in the short term. He has a lot of experience and will do better than Fonz and Weimann. At the moment, we do need some experience in the side and he clearly brings it. Everyone keeps saying lets play the youth but say if that doesn't work and we find ourselves in deep trouble fighting relegation? Then we would have a lot of fans starting to get on the backs of the youth players and dent their confidence.
With Heskey injured, we only have Bent and Gabby as our only experienced forwards so bringing Keane in is a no brainer even if its for 6 games. He may possibly score some important goals for us which get us to the "magic" 40 point mark which will most likely see us playing PL football again next season. He is only 31 so cant really call him a journey man. He will be giving 110% especially with the Euro's coming up.
Good Luck Robbie! You definitely have my support now!
Food for thought...
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How about, let's give him a chance. Back up for 2 months, hardly the end of the world.
Except that about half a million pounds of supporters money down the drain for someone who is unlikely to play and if he does unlikely to contribute anything at all. I remember his last appearance at VP playing for Liverpool.
As Ozz points out above if his contribution helps us win a few points and finish a couple of places higher than we would have without him then we'll make a profit on the move.
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Robbie Keane > Pires
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Couple of points about this:-
Firstly, the money. Lets say that the £500-£750k is right and take it at the medium point of £625k for 2 months. That extrapolated over a season is £3.75m. If we were to get a player like Keane on a permanent deal, then I'd say we'd be looking at £3m and £40k a week, which on a modest two year deal (at 31 he'd be askig for 3 years) is a total of just over £7m. The point being that it might be about the going rate for the player. When you add in the low risk nature due to it only being a loan, then financially it might make more sense than you'd at first think. Granted that's irrelevant if you don't rate the player!
I also don't see that this reflects a lack of a longterm plan. Yes, it's a short term signing, but if you agre with the wages issue it can be seen as a stop gap until they are in a better place, as in when Beye, Cuellar & Heskey go in the summer. It'll be one to wait and see on, but if we enter the market for 3 or 4 bright young things in the summer, I think we'll look back at Keane and a shrewd move to keep our heads aboce water while the 'warchest' is building.
Footballing wise, it also make sense to me. We don't really have a player on the bench who can come on and change things for us right now. Keane links it well, can score, as is comfortable dropping off the front man, so is an option we are currently lacking, especially as that's what AM has been asking Hesket to do a lot this season. That's not to say it WILL work, but it's not as if we're getting someone we have a similar player to already in the squad.
So it's a decent move, IMO.
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Robbie Keane > Pires
In programming and mathematical terms that statement means Robbie Keane is greater than Pires. Is that what you are saying? ???
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This £500 - 750K that I keep seeing bandied about...is it definite or is it just a figure someone made up and is now being taken as gospel by everyone who is against this move?
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This £500 - 750K that I keep seeing bandied about...is it definite or is it just a figure someone made up and is now being taken as gospel by everyone who is against this move?
It's been reported on the press - Birmingham Mail
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This £500 - 750K that I keep seeing bandied about...is it definite or is it just a figure someone made up and is now being taken as gospel by everyone who is against this move?
It's been reported on the press - Birmingham Mail
Oh well, definitely true then!
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This £500 - 750K that I keep seeing bandied about...is it definite or is it just a figure someone made up and is now being taken as gospel by everyone who is against this move?
It's been reported on the press - Birmingham Mail
I still wouldn't take that as gospel myself!
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Robbie Keane > Pires
In programming and mathematical terms that statement means Robbie Keane is greater than Pires. Is that what you are saying? ???
I think the statement: 'Keane < Pires' is also mathematically correct when you are looking at alphabetical/numerical values.
If you take each letter to correspond with a numerical chronological equivalent eg A=1, B=2, C=3 etc. then the letters in 'Keane' will give you a total of 36, and those in 'Pires' 67.
As any fule kno if you must then add these digits together to get the lucky numbers. This gives Keane a final digit of 9, a great number for a striker I think you must admit, whereas Pires equals 13, an unlucky number and akin with a slightly slow, hirsuite Frenchman who is past his best.
In conclusion, I think numerically speaking, the Keane deal is a good one for Villa and I can see his inclusion in the team leading to lots of goals.
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Still can't believe we are doing this!
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Robbie Keane > Pires
In programming and mathematical terms that statement means Robbie Keane is greater than Pires. Is that what you are saying? ???
I think the statement: 'Keane < Pires' is also mathematically correct when you are looking at alphabetical/numerical values.
If you take each letter to correspond with a numerical chronological equivalent eg A=1, B=2, C=3 etc. then the letters in 'Keane' will give you a total of 36, and those in 'Pires' 67.
As any fule kno if you must then add these digits together to get the lucky numbers. This gives Keane a final digit of 9, a great number for a striker I think you must admit, whereas Pires equals 13, an unlucky number and akin with a slightly slow, hirsuite Frenchman who is past his best.
In conclusion, I think numerically speaking, the Keane deal is a good one for Villa and I can see his inclusion in the team leading to lots of goals.
haha excellent!
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Why not, Simon?
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How about, let's give him a chance. Back up for 2 months, hardly the end of the world.
Except that about half a million pounds of supporters money down the drain for someone who is unlikely to play and if he does unlikely to contribute anything at all. I remember his last appearance at VP playing for Liverpool.
As Ozz points out above if his contribution helps us win a few points and finish a couple of places higher than we would have without him then we'll make a profit on the move.
Good thinking.
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Robbie Keane was always going to play for us at one point. We've been linked with him practically every year since he became a professional. Robbie, your dreams have come true! Do us proud!!
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Robbie Keane was always going to play for us at one point. We've been linked with him practically every year since he became a professional.
Maybe we should go the whole hog and get Carlton Palmer on a 2-month loan. And Stayvie Bull.
Actually, good luck to Keane, hope he does the business
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The only positive thing I can say about Keane (I hate all the pointing and poxy goal celebrations he does)is that he is better than Heskey but that's a bit like saying Coldplay are better than U2.
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Another aspect to this is that the younger players will be able to tap into his wealth of experience and learn from him. I hope he does well.
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Well he is not as old as I thought. Before we were linked with him I thought he must be around 34 or 35. But at 31 I can not believe the above statement that his legs have gone?
I have already said I like him, but what he will be like now Iv'e no idea but I do hope QBVilla you are mistaken on his general fitness as this will be a mistake.
The fact he is 31 is irrelevant.Shevchenko joined Chelsea at 29 and he'd lost it.Fowler was on the wane from 26 as well.The fact Redknapp paid £12m to bring him back from Liverpool then loaned him out months later to Celtic then West Ham is for me a telling fact.A few seasons back Keane was a top player but going on what i saw of him at West Ham, my opinion is that he's gone.Hopefully i'll be proved wrong and he can recapture the form he displayed a few seasons back as we'll have a real player on our hands.Time will tell.
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He's a clever player, should be on the same wavelength as Ireland, would be interesting to see how they play together and with Bannan, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Marc and Bent, we now have 6 genuine alternatives for the front 4 positions, all of which offer something a bit different.
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I think he will be alright for us after a couple of month's , when hes settled down ;)
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I hate all the pointing and poxy goal celebrations he does
The more I see him do that in a Villa shirt the less it will annoy me.
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I wouldn't mind if it were a cheap gamble. However hearing quotes of £500,000 - £1 million in costs just for two months is making me very wary, especially as it is in a position that isn't in dire need of strengthening (Bent is still a top class finisher if he gets the ball in the right areas).
Listening to the manager when talking of being unable to pursue 'other' targets until the summer makes me think the signing of Keane is just an attempt at a 'cheap' morale booster to appeal to the masses.
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The thing is has he come out yet and said he as always been a life long supporter of Aston Villa, if not that will happen, he does with everybody.
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I wouldn't mind if it were a cheap gamble. However hearing quotes of £500,000 - £1 million in costs just for two months is making me very wary, especially as it is in a position that isn't in dire need of strengthening (Bent is still a top class finisher if he gets the ball in the right areas).
Listening to the manager when talking of being unable to pursue 'other' targets until the summer makes me think the signing of Keane is just an attempt at a 'cheap' morale booster to appeal to the masses.
Nobody has mentioned anything like £1 million, and nobody is suggesting it's to appeal to any masses.
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I wouldn't mind if it were a cheap gamble. However hearing quotes of £500,000 - £1 million in costs just for two months is making me very wary, especially as it is in a position that isn't in dire need of strengthening (Bent is still a top class finisher if he gets the ball in the right areas).
Listening to the manager when talking of being unable to pursue 'other' targets until the summer makes me think the signing of Keane is just an attempt at a 'cheap' morale booster to appeal to the masses.
Nobody has mentioned anything like £1 million, and nobody is suggesting it's to appeal to any masses.
The Daily Mirror reported on Monday in the match report of the Bristol Rovers game, that it could cost as much as £1 million.
If it is not to appeal to the masses, why not concentrate our efforts on midfield player who can effectively support the team in a number of areas on the pitch at least until the end of the season?
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Listening to the manager when talking of being unable to pursue 'other' targets until the summer makes me think the signing of Keane is just an attempt at a 'cheap' morale booster to appeal to the masses.
It makes me think that, if he's unable to pursue other targets at this time, this is the only sort of deal McLeish can do in January. And there are a few clubs around doing exactly the same, getting in short-term morale boosters.
The flipside is, we don't do something like this, another club snap up Keane, he gets a couple of goals in his loan spell, and we all groan that we should have done it....
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I wouldn't mind if it were a cheap gamble. However hearing quotes of £500,000 - £1 million in costs just for two months is making me very wary, especially as it is in a position that isn't in dire need of strengthening (Bent is still a top class finisher if he gets the ball in the right areas).
Listening to the manager when talking of being unable to pursue 'other' targets until the summer makes me think the signing of Keane is just an attempt at a 'cheap' morale booster to appeal to the masses.
Nobody has mentioned anything like £1 million, and nobody is suggesting it's to appeal to any masses.
The Daily Mirror reported on Monday in the match report of the Bristol Rovers game, that it could cost as much as £1 million.
Oh well case closed then, it must be £1m.
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Is that the same Mirror who said Bent had signed for Liverpool?
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I wouldn't mind if it were a cheap gamble. However hearing quotes of £500,000 - £1 million in costs just for two months is making me very wary, especially as it is in a position that isn't in dire need of strengthening (Bent is still a top class finisher if he gets the ball in the right areas).
Listening to the manager when talking of being unable to pursue 'other' targets until the summer makes me think the signing of Keane is just an attempt at a 'cheap' morale booster to appeal to the masses.
Nobody has mentioned anything like £1 million, and nobody is suggesting it's to appeal to any masses.
The Daily Mirror reported on Monday in the match report of the Bristol Rovers game, that it could cost as much as £1 million.
If it is not to appeal to the masses, why not concentrate our efforts on midfield player who can effectively support the team in a number of areas on the pitch at least until the end of the season?
I'd believe what i read in the Beano more than I would the Mirror.
And I can hardly see it as 'appealling to the masses' when the majority of fans seem luke warm to the idea at best.
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I don't understand why everyone's so against this deal. Yeah he's past his best but he's still good for a couple of months, and I'm positive he's a better bet on the bench than Emile Heskey would be. He's hardly gonna break the bank either. And since when have we ever believed any of the nonsense printed in the Mirror?
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Is that the same Mirror who said Bent had signed for Liverpool?
I remember the Mirror back page showing that we had signed David Speedie. Ah, those were the days.
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I don't understand why everyone's so against this deal. Yeah he's past his best but he's still good for a couple of months, and I'm positive he's a better bet on the bench than Emile Heskey would be. He's hardly gonna break the bank either. And since when have we ever believed any of the nonsense printed in the Mirror?
I think it has as much to do with the fact that he'll just about have enough time to have a sh1t and a shave and he'll be back in LA before you know it.
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I don't understand why everyone's so against this deal. Yeah he's past his best but he's still good for a couple of months, and I'm positive he's a better bet on the bench than Emile Heskey would be. He's hardly gonna break the bank either. And since when have we ever believed any of the nonsense printed in the Mirror?
I think it has as much to do with the fact that he'll just about have enough time to have a sh1t and a shave and he'll be back in LA before you know it.
Ha! :-)
Very true, but if he can get us a few goals between now and then surely it'll be worth it.
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I don't understand why everyone's so against this deal. Yeah he's past his best but he's still good for a couple of months, and I'm positive he's a better bet on the bench than Emile Heskey would be. He's hardly gonna break the bank either. And since when have we ever believed any of the nonsense printed in the Mirror?
I think it has as much to do with the fact that he'll just about have enough time to have a sh1t and a shave and he'll be back in LA before you know it.
I think it's because McLeish is doing it and whatever he does results in a toys/pram scenario.
Personally I think its a good idea and I'll look forward to seeing him play.
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I wouldn't mind if it were a cheap gamble. However hearing quotes of £500,000 - £1 million in costs just for two months is making me very wary, especially as it is in a position that isn't in dire need of strengthening (Bent is still a top class finisher if he gets the ball in the right areas).
Listening to the manager when talking of being unable to pursue 'other' targets until the summer makes me think the signing of Keane is just an attempt at a 'cheap' morale booster to appeal to the masses.
Nobody has mentioned anything like £1 million, and nobody is suggesting it's to appeal to any masses.
The Daily Mirror reported on Monday in the match report of the Bristol Rovers game, that it could cost as much as £1 million.
Oh well case closed then, it must be £1m.
I heard from a reliable source that works at the club that it's possibly more than that with add ons and incentives. Closer to £2m. That if he does well, and post European Championships that he could sign a permanent deal at the club. McLeish sees his influence as similar to Heskey and he'd offer more as a player.
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McLeish sees his influence as similar to Heskey and he'd offer more as a player.
I'm sure one of the Chuckle brothers would be cheaper.
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McLeish sees his influence as similar to Heskey and he'd offer more as a player.
I'm sure one of the Chuckle brothers would be cheaper.
To you.
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Tis the season of the busted flush! Jack Wilshere has just tweeted that Robert Pires is training at Arsenal. "Return of another legend?" Ha ha. A year older than when he hobbled around for us. I wouldn't be shocked if he turned out for the Goons again.
Thierry is still good enough mind you.
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Tis the season of the busted flush! Jack Wilshere has just tweeted that Robert Pires is training at Arsenal. "Return of another legend?" Ha ha. A year older than when he hobbled around for us. I wouldn't be shocked if he turned out for the Goons again.
Thierry is still good enough mind you.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/images/episode/b00g65xl_640_360.jpg)
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I'm generally in favour of the deal as a 2 month loan, but don't think we should be signing him permanently.
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I don't understand why everyone's so against this deal. Yeah he's past his best but he's still good for a couple of months, and I'm positive he's a better bet on the bench than Emile Heskey would be. He's hardly gonna break the bank either. And since when have we ever believed any of the nonsense printed in the Mirror?
I think it has as much to do with the fact that he'll just about have enough time to have a sh1t and a shave and he'll be back in LA before you know it.
And he will keep his fitness and earn lot of money all for sitting on the bench. tell you what he has got an amazing agent who duped us into this deal.
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I don't understand why everyone's so against this deal. Yeah he's past his best but he's still good for a couple of months, and I'm positive he's a better bet on the bench than Emile Heskey would be. He's hardly gonna break the bank either. And since when have we ever believed any of the nonsense printed in the Mirror?
I think it has as much to do with the fact that he'll just about have enough time to have a sh1t and a shave and he'll be back in LA before you know it.
And he will keep his fitness and earn lot of money all for sitting on the bench. tell you what he has got an amazing agent who duped us into this deal.
If he gets 1 goal that means we finish 1 place higher than we otherwise would have done he pays for himself and we get a higher placing into the bargain.
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Let's leave money out of the equation and compare Keane with Heskey who he will be 'replacing'.
I sure know who I'd rather have in my squad and team.
Why, Heskey of course :))))
Come on Keano, get some joy back to VP.
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I hate all the pointing and poxy goal celebrations he does
The more I see him do that in a Villa shirt the less it will annoy me.
I would love to see these goal celebrations very often from now on.
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Still no news of him actually signing despite them saying it was 24 hours away yesterday morning.Had the guest room been prepared for Mr cock up ?
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Not totally washed up!
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If he gets 1 goal that means we finish 1 place higher than we otherwise would have done he pays for himself and we get a higher placing into the bargain.
John I'll be delighted if he does that and more however .... don't see it happening but hoping to be wrong.
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I wouldn't mind if it were a cheap gamble. However hearing quotes of £500,000 - £1 million in costs just for two months is making me very wary, especially as it is in a position that isn't in dire need of strengthening (Bent is still a top class finisher if he gets the ball in the right areas).
Listening to the manager when talking of being unable to pursue 'other' targets until the summer makes me think the signing of Keane is just an attempt at a 'cheap' morale booster to appeal to the masses.
Nobody has mentioned anything like £1 million, and nobody is suggesting it's to appeal to any masses.
The Daily Mirror reported on Monday in the match report of the Bristol Rovers game, that it could cost as much as £1 million.
Oh well case closed then, it must be £1m.
I heard from a reliable source that works at the club that it's possibly more than that with add ons and incentives. Closer to £2m. That if he does well, and post European Championships that he could sign a permanent deal at the club. McLeish sees his influence as similar to Heskey and he'd offer more as a player.
Exactly. Newspapers are usually 99.9% tosh, but should we just believe the same AVFC: 'We are not selling Downing . . . Oh by the way we've sold Downing,' information stream.
Also has Keane made his obligatory 'I've supported this club since before I was born' type announcement yet?
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robbie has more chance of scoring than Heskey, worth a gamble
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McLeish sees his influence as similar to Heskey and he'd offer more as a player.
I'm sure one of the Chuckle brothers would be cheaper.
Ignore the arm waving and stupid goal celebrations and just look at his goalscoring record. Infinitely better than Heskey's (yes, not hard), and has more international goals than any English player, ever. People earlier on this thread were saying that he was lucky etc., well I'd rather have a lucky goalscorer than an permanently-unlucky Messi mk II.
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I don't understand why everyone's so against this deal. Yeah he's past his best but he's still good for a couple of months, and I'm positive he's a better bet on the bench than Emile Heskey would be. He's hardly gonna break the bank either. And since when have we ever believed any of the nonsense printed in the Mirror?
I think it has as much to do with the fact that he'll just about have enough time to have a sh1t and a shave and he'll be back in LA before you know it.
Bet your missus hates sharing a bathroom with you..............
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McLeish sees his influence as similar to Heskey and he'd offer more as a player.
I'm sure one of the Chuckle brothers would be cheaper.
Ignore the arm waving and stupid goal celebrations and just look at his goalscoring record. Infinitely better than Heskey's (yes, not hard), and has more international goals than any English player, ever. People earlier on this thread were saying that he was lucky etc., well I'd rather have a lucky goalscorer than an permanently-unlucky Messi mk II.
Whilst i'm no fan of 'Mr points where he wants the ball kicking to' I was making more of a comparisson to Heskey's brand of fuckwittery.
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Still no news of him actually signing despite them saying it was 24 hours away yesterday morning.Had the guest room been prepared for Mr cock up ?
John Gregory's in charge of the negotiations.
Somewhere in Argentina, Gustavo Bartelt's agent dusts off his fax machine.
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Whilst i'm no fan of 'Mr points where he wants the ball kicking to' I was making more of a comparisson to Heskey's brand of fuckwittery.
Forgiveness, please.
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Why not, Simon?
Robbie Keane was definitely right for us a decade ago but not now!
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Whilst i'm no fan of 'Mr points where he wants the ball kicking to' I was making more of a comparisson to Heskey's brand of fuckwittery.
Forgiveness, please.
I like you Ger. There's no need, you can sleep soundly tonight!
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*returns baseball bat to closet*
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*sends 'acquaintance' round to check Ger understood the message*
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Haven't read the thread, Robbie Keane doesn't merit that much of my time. My only concern with the deal is that at £500k for two months, AM feels obliged to play him. Time will tell.
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McLeish sees his influence as similar to Heskey and he'd offer more as a player.
I'm sure one of the Chuckle brothers would be cheaper.
Ignore the arm waving and stupid goal celebrations and just look at his goalscoring record. Infinitely better than Heskey's (yes, not hard), and has more international goals than any English player, ever. People earlier on this thread were saying that he was lucky etc., well I'd rather have a lucky goalscorer than an permanently-unlucky Messi mk II.
Whilst i'm no fan of 'Mr points where he wants the ball kicking to' I was making more of a comparisson to Heskey's brand of fuckwittery.
Petrov does that every time he crosses the half way line.
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welcome robbie. lets only hope you paly as well for us as you always did against us!
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Barney Ronay's take (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jan/10/robbie-keane-aston-villa-galaxy), which is fair enough I think apart from the bit at the end when he talks about our set piece prowess.
Thats at least a couple of seasons late - aren't we the only team not to have scored from one this season?
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He's still in his early thirties as opposed to Pires who was clearly well past it. I think he's a decent player and he seems a decent character to have around for a while too. He's experienced and scores goals. I think he will be a decent addition while he's here and give the fans and players a bit of a boost. I think Weimann and Delfouneso have a chance but for the next couple of months if we are bringing on an attacking sub I will be more optimistic of Keane getting a goal then either of them or Heskey.
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I'd love to know who these great youngsters are that are going to be pushed out due to this move. Surely people are not talking about Fonz and Weimann? When you look at a squad, yes we have plenty of players who call themselves strikers but only two that have a record to back it up. I'm sure that is everyone knew that Ba would bag 15 goals by January then he'd not be at Newcastle, the chances of us picking up a quality striker within our budget are slim so a loan that helps us out can't be seen as a negative. Whether it's positive remains to be seen.
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A season too late. Young, Keane and Bent...
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He's definitely a sticking plaster and although I'm not jumping through hoops we do need more experience to call from the bench.
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Rather him than Heskey, I suppose.
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and if Bent's not on the pitch for those penalties we now no longer get who else would you trust to take it? If Bannan doesn't take it I guess.
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Rather him than Heskey, I suppose.
I'd rather anybody to Heskey to be fair.
At least we won't be starting with 10 men for the next few weeks.
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Its a pity its a few years too late and only for 2 months but he can only improve us, its also an addition to a very small squad, he is much better than Heskey so lets get behind him and make him feel welcome, what have we got to lose?
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A season too late. Young, Keane and Bent...
Yeah, it could even have led to Michael Barrymore supporting us.
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From the Mirror.
Aston Villa remain optimistic Los Angeles Galaxy striker Robbie Keane will join them on loan although the deal is unlikely to be completed on Tuesday, Press Association Sport understands.
The Republic of Ireland international is poised to join Villa for two months and is already training with the midlands club.
But the eight-hour time difference between Birmingham and Los Angeles means any announcement will probably happen on Wednesday after the expected completion of the paperwork.
Villa boss Alex McLeish would like Keane to be available for Saturday's home Barclays Premier League clash with Everton.
Sources close to the club are confident a temporary deal for Keane will still go through.
Keane has indicated he wants to join Villa and is conscious of retaining his match sharpness before rejoining Galaxy in March with the Euro 2012 finals in June.
Villa midfielder Barry Bannan would welcome Keane's arrival.
He said: "If you are getting players like that, it is good for the club. Our squad is pretty young and having another wise head alongside the likes of Richard Dunne is only going to help us as a group.
"Robbie has been around for ages and has played at the top level."
Keane's expected arrival is well timed with fellow striker Emile Heskey sidelined for up to a month with an Achilles injury.
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From ESPN LA
“When you see what happens to Emile, you realize getting Keane in is a decent idea,” McLeish told reporters Monday. “Whether there are more remains to be seen. We have got to manage the wages situation.”
Keane's seven-week deal will net the Galaxy about $775,000, according to multiple British media reports. British wire service The Press Association last week said the deal could be worth as much as $1 million.
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Pretty pointless I think.
I actually find him to be a tad annoying - and that stupid goal celebration he does - makes him look like a total bellend. However, I hope that we get to see lots of it while he's here!
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He's not my favourite Irish player but like every Villa player I'll support him in the claret and blue. Really hope it works out.
People like to criticize him but he's scored more international goals than any England player. Given the seedings Ireland usually get and the fact that we don't always reach the big tournaments that's a record worthy of respect.
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I think it is a good piece of business. Can't believe he is a replacement, albeit temporary for DB.
He will surely take up Hesky's role behind DB but will be quicker, offer more movement, give Benty and the midfield some options and he can score goals. It fits the way Gingernut likes to play his teams.
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I think it is a good piece of business. Can't believe he is a replacement, albeit temporary for DB.
He will surely take up Hesky's role behind DB but will be quicker, offer more movement, give Benty and the midfield some options and he can score goals. It fits the way Gingernut likes to play his teams.
Well he did set up Donavan's MSL winner, the type of ball Bent loves.
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Of course I'll support him and you can't argue with his goalscoring record, after saying that I've watched him over here (states) numerous times and he's basically like a fckn pub player now, hence the move to the MLS. He misses more sitters than bent.
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Has the deal hit a snag or something? They're taking their time.
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Thats the only reason I want him to sign
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/UltimoChristmasLingerieAdoreMio1.jpg)
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Thats the only reason I want him to sign
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/UltimoChristmasLingerieAdoreMio1.jpg)
It must be age when the first thing you think is "She could do with a good feed"
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Thats the only reason I want him to sign
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/UltimoChristmasLingerieAdoreMio1.jpg)
It must be age when the first thing you think is "She could do with a good feed"
I can guarantee that wasn't my first thought!
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Thats the only reason I want him to sign
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/UltimoChristmasLingerieAdoreMio1.jpg)
It must be age when the first thing you think is "She could do with a good feed"
It's definately a different age when the first thing you think is "lovely paint job on those stairs".
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Thats the only reason I want him to sign
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/UltimoChristmasLingerieAdoreMio1.jpg)
It must be age when the first thing you think is "She could do with a good feed"
It's definately a different age when the first thing you think is "lovely paint job on those stairs".
What Americans can do with cosmetic surgery, Robbie Keane looked completely different to that when he was over here, let me add to that I think the change is a massive improvement, is that the LA Galaxy strip!!!!!!not bad, do like the hoops at the top of the socks.
Well, perhaps we should sign him, bring a whole new atmosphere to player unity in the dressing room, personally I've always been sold on him coming.
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Deal to be confirmed this evening according to E&S.
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Robbie Keane (Republic of Ireland) - 114 caps, 53 goals (2.15 games per goal)
Thierry Henry (France) - 123 caps, 51 goals (2.41 games per goal)
Keane > Henry
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Robbie Keane (Republic of Ireland) - 114 caps, 53 goals (2.15 games per goal)
Thierry Henry (France) - 123 caps, 51 goals (2.41 games per goal)
Keane > Henry
Double Maths in the morning?
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His international record is superb in fairness, and he from memory does turn up in the big games for them.
Lee, I am only 29 and my first thought was she needs a square meal. Although the meal could wait the whole 2-3 minutes it would last.
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Thats the only reason I want him to sign
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/UltimoChristmasLingerieAdoreMio1.jpg)
Have to say - and obviously, the girl will be distraught - that does next to nothing to me.
She's entirely shapeless, for a start.
She's far too thin, too - I've seen more meat on a butcher's apron.
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Thats the only reason I want him to sign
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/UltimoChristmasLingerieAdoreMio1.jpg)
Have to say - and obviously, the girl will be distraught - that does next to nothing to me.
She's entirely shapeless, for a start.
She's far too thin, too - I've seen more meat on a butcher's apron.
Heres one for you Paulie
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No, just because I think she looks scrawny and shapeless doesn't mean I fancy Susan Boyle, JP.
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Of course I'll support him and you can't argue with his goalscoring record, after saying that I've watched him over here (states) numerous times and he's basically like a fckn pub player now, hence the move to the MLS. He misses more sitters than bent.
numerous times - how many games has he played for the galaxy - 4? What forward doesnt miss sitters by the way - they all do. The Michael Jordan quote about the 9000 shots he missed is appropriate for the likes of Bent and Keane. The scoring tallies of both players indicate though that they score more than they miss and both players arent afraid to get in those positions. Something I think that is lacking in Gabby's game. He doesnt get in enough scoring positions for me.
Keane was the best player in the MLS final anyway and that was just after the playoffs against Estonia. Granted the standard was poor and to be honest I think it is a joke at 31 that Keane decided to effectively give up on his club career by moving to LA. I think the Liverpool experience really hurt him and he has lost his appetite for the club game since. Hopefully with the Euros coming he will really give it his all in these 2 months.
He has a lot more guile to his game than Bent who is essentially a finisher and nothing else. Still a move for Keane suggest we will be going 442 again. Im wondering has McLeish learned anything this season if that is the case. We are far better like in the Chelsea game with an extra body in midfield supporting the front man.
Hopefully the signing of Keane will act as a big kick up the arse for Bent. Bent has been poor this season. I'm struggling to see how either of these three will play well alongside one of the others. Keane needs a target man of which we dont really have one. Bent and Gabby like playing up top by themselves.
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It's weird all the Irish posters praising Keane to the high heavens. On the phone-ins over here all he ever gets is grief. I'm glad we're getting him on a country-tournament year as he'll want to be sharp for that. If it had been last year I wouldn't have been keen (geddit?!). I'd rather him than Heskey but I'd rather the Fonz got a proper run aswell so I'm fairly 'meh' on the signing. Hopefully he'll have a hand in trying to boost our goalscoring record this season.
Just keep him and Dunne away from Brum's boozers and make sure he doesn't pick on Stevie Ireland.
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Deal to be confirmed this evening according to E&S.
They said that on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday! Come back Steve Stride. How come on Transfer Deadline Day (c/o Sky Sports) a player can have a bid at 10pm and be signed within an hour? We always seem to take forever to conclude a deal - even a 2 month loan deal!
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If this drags on much longer surely we should reduce whatever fee we're paying, because he's not going to be in in time for the Everton game.
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Deal to be confirmed this evening according to E&S.
They said that on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday! Come back Steve Stride. How come on Transfer Deadline Day (c/o Sky Sports) a player can have a bid at 10pm and be signed within an hour? We always seem to take forever to conclude a deal - even a 2 month loan deal!
This is normal for villa. We seem to be one of the clubs that take an AGE to sign a player. Every other club gets it done quick time but not villa. The rate they are going, he wont be available for 6 games but 5 as he will prob be registered in time to play against everton
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There is a link on the Darren Bent article on the official website which says we have completed the signing of Keane and there is a pic of him holding the villa shirt however, when you click on the link it takes you to a page with AVFC in the middle of it.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2573925,00.html
Check it out
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Loan for Keane now confirmed by the club.
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Will he play against Everton?
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Meant to post this here, not the transfer thread, doh!
From Twitter:
AVFCOfficial Aston Villa FC
Aston Villa are pleased to confirm that a loan deal has been agreed with LA Galaxy for Republic of Ireland international Robbie Keane. #avfc
9 minutes ago
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Well let's hope he has a positive impact.
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Welcome, Robbie, now that you're here. I really hope it's a positive move for all concerned.
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Subject to FIFA clearance however- how long does that normally take?
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As an Ireland supporter I've been following Keane's career since he made his senior debut for the national team when he was 17 (or 18 I think). Strange player, he can be infuriating and at times extraordinary in equal measure.
One of those players that could do absolutely bugger all for ages and then pop-up with a couple of goals out of nothing. Still a pity we didn't get him ten years ago...
At this rate he just seems to be using his club career as a means of staying fit between internationals. Amazing international goalscoring record, but a largely wasted talent at club level. Hope he does well for us..
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Playing tomorrow?
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Playing tomorrow?
I hope not. It's Friday.
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Much like Pires, I hope he does well but I fear he won't.
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Can't wait to see his gymnastically perfect goal celebration.
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The club are pleased to confirm that a loan deal has been agreed with LA Galaxy for Republic of Ireland international Robbie Keane.
Subject to clearance by FIFA, the 31-year-old striker will be available for our game against Everton on Saturday at Villa Park and up to and including our game against Wigan on February 25.
He will also be eligible to play in the FA Cup.
Ireland's record goalscorer in international football with 53 goals, Keane was among the most prolific strikers in the Premier League between 1999 - when he joined Coventry City for a then British record transfer fee for a teenager - and May 2011, before he joined the current MLS Cup winners.
Villa manager Alex McLeish has emphasised Keane's "leadership qualities, his movement and experience" and Keane is relishing the prospect of passing on some of that experience to younger team-mates such as Marc Albrighton, Barry Bannan and Ciaran Clark as well as linking up again with Darren Bent and with Gabby Agbonlahor and Stephen Ireland in Villa's upcoming games.
"I'm delighted to be back in the Premier League," Keane said.
"This is only short-term, of course, but there has been a lot of speculation over the years linking my name to Villa and, finally, I'm here.
"I'm excited about it and I know I'll really enjoy my time here.
"It's only for two months but I will do my absolute best in these two months.
"Villa is a great club, a club with a massive tradition and standing in the game and Villa Park is one of the finest stadiums I've ever played in. If selected to play on Saturday, I will genuinely be looking forward to it and I'll be excited to be involved again in Premier League action.
"I've been training with the players here for the past few days and it's been great but I'm not naive enough to think I'll just walk straight into the team.
"There are really good players here - Darren, Gabby, Emile and young Nathan Delfouneso and Andy Weimann - but if I can help and contribute to the overall effort of the team then hopefully I will be of benefit to Aston Villa. That's my aim."
Villa's record signing Darren Bent, who played alongside Keane at Tottenham, believes that Keane's loan from Galaxy is a clever move by the club.
"It's a top signing, a really clever move. In training Robbie has looked razor-sharp and up for the challenge," Bent said.
"He's a great player and he has been for many years.
"There is no doubt he will give absolutely everything during his time here.
"He knows the game inside out and, from what I have seen of him so far, he's bright as a button.
"He will help all the other strikers here but, more importantly, he will help Villa.
"He will bring experience which will aid a few of the younger lads who are breaking through into the team and the other youngsters in and around the place. And he will bring goals too, hopefully.
"He also brings that competition to the striking department. Gabby's in great form, I'm coming back into form after my injury problems, Emile has an injury but there's Nathan and Andy Weimann, too, so the competition will only be enhanced with Robbie's presence here.
"I think he will do really well for us. He's such a smart player."
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Fuck it. He's a talented, clever, forward. I'm glad he's here and I hope he does well during his short stay here. It's a massive shame it took the club so long to sign him.
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Note it says ''subject to clearance from FIFA'' I doubt he'll be available for Saturday.
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Just watched the video on AVTV. When asked about playing in the FA Cup for Villa he says "Yeah, it would be great whoever we get. Leeds a former club and Arsenal after my Spurs connections"
So quite obviously the video and these photos were taken on Monday afternoon. Not sure why it took until Thursday for it to be announced but welcome Robbie, as everyone has said 10 years too late but better late than never.
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Fuck it. He's a talented, clever, forward. I'm glad he's here and I hope he does well during his short stay here. It's a massive shame it took the club so long to sign him.
In his time he has been a very good PL forward, but at the Spammers last year it did look as if that time had passed. Still, won't do much harm I suppose. Wonder if the Beckham circus will turn up at VP to see his teammate in action?
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Can't wait to see his gymnastically perfect goal celebration.
Just watch as we'll be the first club he injures himself doing it!!
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I knew the loan wouldn't last long but Feb 25th? Blimey. It's even two months. Barely enough time for him to get into the swing of things. Hopefully he'll do a Thierry though.
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I'm filing this move under the 'we've got little to lose' heading. It's a bit like Chris Sutton - won't go down in history of one of Villa's greats but he did a job, was physical presence on the pitch for a few games and scored the winning goal at Everton (didn't cost £750k though).
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If he can 2-3 goals in this period I would be more than happy
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Fuck it. He's a talented, clever, forward. I'm glad he's here and I hope he does well during his short stay here. It's a massive shame it took the club so long to sign him.
In his time he has been a very good PL forward, but at the Spammers last year it did look as if that time had passed. Still, won't do much harm I suppose. Wonder if the Beckham circus will turn up at VP to see his teammate in action?
My thoughts on his West Ham experience is that he rolled in there without any real fire in his belly. He couldn't get into the Spurs team which in fairness was, and still is very talented, and he wasn't up for the fight of a proper relegation battle. Additionally, he's having to play alongside Carlton Cole, and in a team that had seen it's best player in Scott Parker get injured thus ending any real hope of them staying up. I'm guessing also with Mr Miserable Avram Grant in charge the place was probably like a morgue so hardly the kind of environment to stoke the coals, so to speak. Then you've got those wankers in the boardroom who are back stabbing the manager every five minutes, and her with her weekly column in The Sun throwing her opinion to nobody that gives a shit.
The situation at Villa is very different. Even though we're not pulling up any trees ourselves you still get the feeling the atmosphere is still good around the club. That there are some good characters there, and his link up with the Irish lads will push him also. He's also seen the other side of the fence in the MLS and he will still have a point to prove to those people who say he's washed up. That he's gone to the MLS for his career and not because he doesn't have it anymore. It's a short term deal and he'll get one more opportunity to show that he still has something left at this level. He'll come in as a squad player, but if he can force himself into the starting eleven, as much as it will be a bit disruptive to lose him at the end, it will mean he'll have made some meaningful contribution.
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Not sure where to post this,but Albrightons on Talksport in the next hour talking about Keane.
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Welcome to the monkey house.
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At least he spoke well and Bent seems happy.
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I'm glad he's in Brum, I've wanted to punch that face for years.
Nah, good luck to him, he's Villa now.
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Just watched the video on AVTV. When asked about playing in the FA Cup for Villa he says "Yeah, it would be great whoever we get. Leeds a former club and Arsenal after my Spurs connections"
So quite obviously the video and these photos were taken on Monday afternoon. Not sure why it took until Thursday for it to be announced but welcome Robbie, as everyone has said 10 years too late but better late than never.
It could be seriously handy if Keane can live three days in the past e.g. had he been signed before the last home match, he coulda scored a retrospective hat trick for a win against Swansea.
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No, just because I think she looks scrawny and shapeless doesn't mean I fancy Susan Boyle, JP.
Oh come on Paulie, you can confess on here :)
Back to Keano, almost exactly a year ago to this day
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/8267559/Tottenham-striker-Robbie-Keane-brands-Birmingham-bid-to-sign-him-a-publicity-stunt.html
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She's mint. I know that there are some on here that only settle for 8/10's, but I'd be all over that for the couple of minutes that it would take.
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Carlos is happy !
Carlos Cuellar @Cuellar24 6m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Today was my first training with Robbie Keane, he's going to be a very good helpful for the team
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good to see Charlie Cuellar back in training
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Never seen one player get so many plaudits for a press conference.. Twitter was abuzz with compliments.
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He's here now so welcome Robbie.
Hopefully he'll do very well in his spell here.
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She's mint. I know that there are some on here that only settle for 8/10's, but I'd be all over that for the couple of minutes that it would take.
How do you make it last 2 minutes?
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She's mint. I know that there are some on here that only settle for 8/10's, but I'd be all over that for the couple of minutes that it would take.
How do you make it last 2 minutes?
Think about all the money we've pissed out of the window on journeyman players in the last few years.
Works for me.
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Bent and Keane!
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She's mint. I know that there are some on here that only settle for 8/10's, but I'd be all over that for the couple of minutes that it would take.
How do you make it last 2 minutes?
Sorry, I should have clarified that I included my most game smoke in that.
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has he said he use to support Villa as a kid yet ?
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has he said he use to support Villa as a kid yet ?
He did actually.
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has he said he use to support Villa as a kid yet ?
He did actually.
;D ;D ;D Brilliant.
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http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/aston-villa-officially-unveil-robbie-keane-to-the-press/
Some of the pres conference here.
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Bent and Keane!
Sounds like a dodgy legal firm.
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Can't wait to see his gymnastically perfect goal celebration.
Just watch as we'll be the first club he injures himself doing it!!
Nah, Arsenal away, last minute winner. 8k Villa fans go fucking mental. Meanwhile Keane is doing his trademark rolly-pollys.
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The most valuable thing will be his experience and, if he plays, his movement.
Personally, I would have preferred an equivalent in centre midfield as I think that is where we are most lacking.
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Bent and Keane!
Sounds like a dodgy legal firm.
It's a shame both the Youngs have left us... Young, Bent and Keane would be some forward line.
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If he scores the winner against arse in the cup . I will love him forever
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Welcome Robbie and good luck.
Who was the Villa fan on Central News who blew his 15 seconds of fame and said Robbie was
here to stay sharp for the World cup this summer?Come on own up.
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Got to say although I was initially against this move he actually looks fitter now than when he was last playing in the premiership.
Good interview with Henry Winter and a chance to see how a striker that drops off bent will work maybe with a view to scouting a similar style player.
Good Luck Robbie Thanks for trading the Beaches of LA for the Green of B6
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According to SSN, he hasn't got clearance to play yet.
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Anyone else wonder how many now-unemployed cooks, cleaners and office staff we could have retained with the pittance we are spunking on Keane?
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According to SSN, he hasn't got clearance to play yet.
Why would he need clearance if he's within the ECC?
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It seems Mrs. Keane will be at Villa Park tomorrow. http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/01/13/aston-villa-a-reason-for-fans-to-get-excited-claudine-keane-to-be-at-villa-park-on-saturday-97319-30118749/
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Anyone else wonder how many now-unemployed cooks, cleaners and office staff we could have retained with the pittance we are spunking on Keane?
Erm, no, not really.
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Positive stuff from Wee Bazza.
@BBannan25: Lookin forward to training with Keane again 2day #whataplayer
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Anyone else wonder how many now-unemployed cooks, cleaners and office staff we could have retained with the pittance we are spunking on Keane?
I'm not, to be honest
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It seems Mrs. Keane will be at Villa Park tomorrow. http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/01/13/aston-villa-a-reason-for-fans-to-get-excited-claudine-keane-to-be-at-villa-park-on-saturday-97319-30118749/
Christ, in a straight choice between sunbathing next to that on a California beach for 6 weeks, and getting exasperated waiting for a Villa player to move into a bit of space, I know which option I'd have chosen!
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I notice Keane's still doing that arms in the air thing that used to annoy spurs fans so much. Mind, he's probably got a point with our team
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I thought Keane would have been a great addition to the team after half time yesterday. Especially with Ireland finding so much space and getting forward.
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Yeah I thought he should have been introduced much earlier. He look bright when he came on though.
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Yeah I thought he should have been introduced much earlier. He look bright when he came on though.
Agreed.
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I repeat what I said in the match thread. What is the point paying a £1m for a bloke for 6 weeks and then putting him on the bench at all never mind keeping him there till 10 minutes from the end. So that is around £165,000 blown for 10 minutes play. Sorry 13 including injury time. Over £10,000 per minute.
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He would very likely have been brought on after 60 minutes, but you can't really make an attacking change when you've just gone a goal up. he showed some good touched and a willingness to run off the ball, but I daresay we'll soon coach that out of him.
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He would very likely have been brought on after 60 minutes, but you can't really make an attacking change when you've just gone a goal up. he showed some good touched and a willingness to run off the ball, but I daresay we'll soon coach that out of him.
There was one point yesterday when he had the ball that he looked up, saw no movement off the ball whatsoever, and ended up with his hands on his hips with a look of total disgust on his face. Some wag on the match thread said something along the lines of "get used to it Robbie, you're not at Spurs now!"
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He would very likely have been brought on after 60 minutes, but you can't really make an attacking change when you've just gone a goal up. he showed some good touched and a willingness to run off the ball, but I daresay we'll soon coach that out of him.
There was one point yesterday when he had the ball that he looked up, saw no movement off the ball whatsoever, and ended up with his hands on his hips with a look of total disgust on his face. Some wag on the match thread said something along the lines of "get used to it Robbie, you're not at Spurs now!"
I said something like that on the thread. It is our number on issue. Our players are like statues out there. Either we are just not bright enough, not good enough, not quick enough or more likely a combination of all three.
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He would very likely have been brought on after 60 minutes, but you can't really make an attacking change when you've just gone a goal up. he showed some good touched and a willingness to run off the ball, but I daresay we'll soon coach that out of him.
I disagree Dave, why not change it after we scored. It was a lucky goal and you could take your pick about who to take off. I would have changed it at half time and would have bought Nzogbia on with Keane as it was a game we needed to win and not limp to a draw.
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He would very likely have been brought on after 60 minutes, but you can't really make an attacking change when you've just gone a goal up. he showed some good touched and a willingness to run off the ball, but I daresay we'll soon coach that out of him.
There was one point yesterday when he had the ball that he looked up, saw no movement off the ball whatsoever, and ended up with his hands on his hips with a look of total disgust on his face. Some wag on the match thread said something along the lines of "get used to it Robbie, you're not at Spurs now!"
I said something like that on the thread. It is our number on issue. Our players are like statues out there. Either we are just not bright enough, not good enough, not quick enough or more likely a combination of all three.
Or not coached well enough. Players may be great individual players but unless they play as a team with a well coached method of play you either end up with everybody chasing the ball like 10 year olds or nobody moves because they think somebody else will.
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He would very likely have been brought on after 60 minutes, but you can't really make an attacking change when you've just gone a goal up. he showed some good touched and a willingness to run off the ball, but I daresay we'll soon coach that out of him.
There was one point yesterday when he had the ball that he looked up, saw no movement off the ball whatsoever, and ended up with his hands on his hips with a look of total disgust on his face. Some wag on the match thread said something along the lines of "get used to it Robbie, you're not at Spurs now!"
I said something like that on the thread. It is our number on issue. Our players are like statues out there. Either we are just not bright enough, not good enough, not quick enough or more likely a combination of all three.
Or not coached well enough. Players may be great individual players but unless they play as a team with a well coached method of play you either end up with everybody chasing the ball like 10 year olds or nobody moves because they think somebody else will.
I'm not dismissing the coaching element entirely, but why would the coaching staff, and that includes Gordon Cowans and KM, not just Grant and McLeish not want players running off the ball? I can't believe for a second they'd be telling players, "when one of our plays has the ball, the rest of you stand still". I just don't think we have good enough or intelligent enough players to carry out that task. That will change a the academy players come through because if you watch them, they get it, and their movement at times is sublime. McLeish needs to find players to bring into the club that will do the same thing.
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He would very likely have been brought on after 60 minutes, but you can't really make an attacking change when you've just gone a goal up. he showed some good touched and a willingness to run off the ball, but I daresay we'll soon coach that out of him.
There was one point yesterday when he had the ball that he looked up, saw no movement off the ball whatsoever, and ended up with his hands on his hips with a look of total disgust on his face. Some wag on the match thread said something along the lines of "get used to it Robbie, you're not at Spurs now!"
I said something like that on the thread. It is our number on issue. Our players are like statues out there. Either we are just not bright enough, not good enough, not quick enough or more likely a combination of all three.
Or not coached well enough. Players may be great individual players but unless they play as a team with a well coached method of play you either end up with everybody chasing the ball like 10 year olds or nobody moves because they think somebody else will.
I'm not dismissing the coaching element entirely, but why would the coaching staff, and that includes Gordon Cowans and KM, not just Grant and McLeish not want players running off the ball? I can't believe for a second they'd be telling players, "when one of our plays has the ball, the rest of you stand still". I just don't think we have good enough or intelligent enough players to carry out that task. That will change a the academy players come through because if you watch them, they get it, and their movement at times is sublime. McLeish needs to find players to bring into the club that will do the same thing.
I think in a way you have answered your own point in that the young players look to want to move off the ball (coached by ??) but the 1st team (tactically managed by?) do not show any movement in the main area of the pitch where the influence on the game is dictated.
You are right in that the manager does not tell them when they go out to not move off the ball but we have been doing it for so long that he clearly is not b********* them enough when they do not move off the ball and show a willingness to receive the ball. This is not just a McLeish era thing as we had similar problems in MON's time but he played to different strengths. Today we have far less of the other strengths so it seems pretty obvious to me that you have to play as a team all over the pitch and not just rely on individuals. Other teams with 'lesser' plays seem to manage it.
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Other teams have acquired players over time to fit the system. McLeish just arrived. If this is the way the team plays when some of the biggest culprits of our lack on invention are gone, the buck will firmly rest with him.
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I was happy for the team to stay as it is when we were leading but Keane should've been on pretty much as soon as after Everton scored.
They equalised on 65 minutes and Keane came on at 80 minutes so there was a 15 minute gap there where we barely threatened.
McLeish did this against Swansea aswell, they scored right after half time and he didn't bring anyone on until after 70 minutes at which point the game had been lost.
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I was happy for the team to stay as it is when we were leading but Keane should've been on pretty much as soon as after Everton scored.
They equalised on 65 minutes and Keane came on at 80 minutes so there was a 15 minute gap there where we barely threatened.
McLeish did this against Swansea aswell, they scored right after half time and he didn't bring anyone on until after 70 minutes at which point the game had been lost.
AM doesn't seem to have enough tactical nous and a team who can't keep the ball, which is a Swansea strength. Our Academy teams might be good, but they only come through as individuals and will only get a few minutes towards the end of a match. They are not going to be able to influence much and usually, the result will always be nearly decided.
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This now seems a done deal. From the Everton pre-match thread:
Am I alone in thinking that taking Keane on loan is a big mistake?
He would have been a great signing all those years ago but not now.
Clueless numpty.
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Keane may not have the pace anymore but he will get into goal scoring positions and is not afraid to shoot from outside the box (on target) so gives us something we lack.
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I'm glad I didn't slag him off! ;-)
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He's just saved McLeish from a barrage of grief.
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All we can do is hope that he thinks LA is a shit hole of a place to play football and decides that maybe Aston is a much nicer place. :)
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He's just saved McLeish from a barrage of grief.
Another "everything that goes wrong is McLeish's fault, everything that goes right is anyone else's" type post, then?
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He's just saved McLeish from a barrage of grief.
Another "everything that goes wrong is McLeish's fault, everything that goes right is anyone else's" type post, then?
I was waiting for one of those to come along. It is very tiresome.
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I said he'd come in and give us a boost! And some people scoffed ;)
Seriously, that doesn't matter. I think for a short term deal this will really work out. He is intelligent off the ball, and not afraid to have a go. We've needed a player like this for a while. So whle it lasts, keep it up Robbie.
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He's just saved McLeish from a barrage of grief.
Of course you mean he's just earned Mcleish some credit right?
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I am Happy to admit to being wrong, I thought it was a bad idea until he scored the first, the second was magnificent, it was interesting that as the game went on he got more into it and starting finding space,
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Brings it down almost shoulder height with his left, controls, measures and drills it with his right. Powered. Accurate.
Runs his arse off. Obviously liked and respected by our players. Took a half to find himself. Fair enough. Did not celebrate against his old club with the usual cider ad/Robin Hood pose. Good man. Loved the way he smiled (notwthstanding) with his Irish team mates.
Never did before, but I like this man.
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Brings it down almost shoulder height with his left, controls, measures and drills it with his right. Powered. Accurate.
Runs his arse off. Obviously liked and respected by our players. Took a half to find himself. Fair enough. Did not celebrate against his old club with the usual cider ad/Robin Hood pose. Good man. Loved the way he smiled (notwthstanding) with his Irish team mates.
Never did before, but I like this man.
This
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2 cracking finishes for us today.
I've been watching him play for The Republic since what seems like time began and he has always infuriated me , despite his goalscoring ratio at international level. It's all now different though as he is with the Villa.
I forgive you Robbie. Keep it up .
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An honest appraisal of Keane would be that good players lose their speed bur not their skill. His third effort was vey close . He bossed the midfield and forward line, demanded the ball and got it, as he said we did much better when the ball was played along the ground. Ireland to come back in makes it very interesting over the next few weeks but what do we do with Gabby?
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We keep Gabby in the team. He has proven he can still be a match winner out on the left. Not a winger but can make a lethal contribution nonetheless. I thought he was wasted out on the left last season but he has done well out there this season.
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Good comment Robbo. He wanted the ball. He did as sub last game. Confident buggar. I like that and we need that. What we do when he is with us I don't know but Ireland will have to find his place again. And he (the tatted one) has come good.
As for Emile, please God Alex can you now see how that position should be played. In the modern game.
At last a "hole" player who can give it good'un from 25 yards.
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He is a very clever player, and think he and Ireland have an interesting battle for that shirt!
Gabby, harsh as it is, is not in form and should be on the bench, out wide you have to work and help the full back, and he left Clark completely today. If it was due to illness then don't be selfish enough to play in the first place, because his lack of interest was very disappointing, and he has a tendency to sulk out there. We are a better shape with Gabby OR Bent. Bent brings more to the table, and has 3 in 4.
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I'd say on current form and the basis of today, you can't really drop Keane, and it'd be very harsh for Ireland not to get back in the side.
Gabby's just lost a little spark of late, maybe just needs a rest.
I'd be tempted to play Keane and Ireland, not least because together they could find a good wavelength and potentially cause havoc. Perhaps one can play as a floating wideman. Or they alternate during the game. They've both played on the wing. It allows them to drift in field, especially as we've got Albrighton who can provide the width.
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Actually OZZ I don't think it fair to accuse Gabby of being selfish if he is not fully fit. Understood the other comments though. The meds/Manager will make that decision and Gabby does scare defenders. However we agree, I think, that the Gabby or Bent debate has yet to be concluded. Now we have a Ireland/Keane arguement. No Emile please.
I dunno how to include them. You? Enjoyed Gardners debut too. OK not perfect but something special from the yoofs again.
But Super T - width -especially given the width of VP pitch - is what we should exploit. AMC, however plays narrow. Always has done apparently.
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Actually OZZ I don't think it fair to accuse Gabby of being selfish if he is not fully fit. Understood the other comments though. The meds/Manager will make that decision and Gabby does scare defenders. However we agree, I think, that the Gabby or Bent debate has yet to be concluded. Now we have a Ireland/Keane arguement. No Emile please.
I dunno how to include them. You? Enjoyed Gardners debut too. OK not perfect but something special from the yoofs again.
But Super T - width -especially given the width of VP pitch - is what we should exploit. AMC, however plays narrow. Always has done apparently.
The thing is Simba, he declared himself fit. At which point, he takes the flac on the chin for not working back, and I won't believe anyone who tells me he does not have games where he sulks out wide, I think he has been sulking since Swansea.
Supertom may be right, play Keane from the right and Ireland central with Albrighton giving the width on the left. Shame they can't all play really!
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Already want him signed up long term. Appreciate it's unlikely, but there we are.
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There seems a willingness to slag off any player linked with Villa.Keane has a long, proven career in the Premiership, pity he didn't arrive sooner. Maybe some people should give players a chance
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Actually OZZ I don't think it fair to accuse Gabby of being selfish if he is not fully fit. Understood the other comments though. The meds/Manager will make that decision and Gabby does scare defenders. However we agree, I think, that the Gabby or Bent debate has yet to be concluded. Now we have a Ireland/Keane arguement. No Emile please.
I dunno how to include them. You? Enjoyed Gardners debut too. OK not perfect but something special from the yoofs again.
But Super T - width -especially given the width of VP pitch - is what we should exploit. AMC, however plays narrow. Always has done apparently.
The thing is Simba, he declared himself fit. At which point, he takes the flac on the chin for not working back, and I won't believe anyone who tells me he does not have games where he sulks out wide, I think he has been sulking since Swansea.
Supertom may be right, play Keane from the right and Ireland central with Albrighton giving the width on the left. Shame they can't all play really!
You never know how a player will react after an illness, it was a calculated gamble that didn't pay off and certainly no reason to have a go at the lad. I don't believe he's sulking, he's just not quite hitting the heights he was a few weeks ago back when you were all accusing Bent of sulking.
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I am Happy to admit to being wrong, I thought it was a bad idea until he scored the first, the second was magnificent, it was interesting that as the game went on he got more into it and starting finding space,
Likewise! On the match thread I was urging McCleish to change things by taking him off and getting Bannan on - about 2 minutes before he scored his first! Both his goals showed he is real class and, in IT Crowd fashion, I've put mustard on those words to accompany the slice of humble pie direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark egg on my face.
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There seems a willingness to slag off any player linked with Villa.Keane has a long, proven career in the Premiership, pity he didn't arrive sooner. Maybe some people should give players a chance
I don't agree. It is more that most people can see whether or not a player is being bought to improve the team long term and is likely to be either a step up from what we already have or a great prospect for the future.
This was why we lacked enthusiasm for signings like Heskey, Harewood and many more and like signings like Bent or Edna.
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I'd like Villa to try and get Robbie here on a two-year contract in the summer. Anyone know what the contract situation is with LA Galaxy? I'm sure Robbiie would prefer the Premier League to the MLS unless they're paying him a fortune?
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Actually OZZ I don't think it fair to accuse Gabby of being selfish if he is not fully fit. Understood the other comments though. The meds/Manager will make that decision and Gabby does scare defenders. However we agree, I think, that the Gabby or Bent debate has yet to be concluded. Now we have a Ireland/Keane arguement. No Emile please.
I dunno how to include them. You? Enjoyed Gardners debut too. OK not perfect but something special from the yoofs again.
But Super T - width -especially given the width of VP pitch - is what we should exploit. AMC, however plays narrow. Always has done apparently.
The thing is Simba, he declared himself fit. At which point, he takes the flac on the chin for not working back, and I won't believe anyone who tells me he does not have games where he sulks out wide, I think he has been sulking since Swansea.
Supertom may be right, play Keane from the right and Ireland central with Albrighton giving the width on the left. Shame they can't all play really!
You never know how a player will react after an illness, it was a calculated gamble that didn't pay off and certainly no reason to have a go at the lad. I don't believe he's sulking, he's just not quite hitting the heights he was a few weeks ago back when you were all accusing Bent of sulking.
Why do you always have to do that ridiculously childish tactic of lumping everybody together? There is no "you all" on here, so just cut it out. It makes your ridiculous posts even harder to take seriously.
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Well said Risso, i agree. I certainly never accused Bent of sulking. I was impressed to hear he stayed behind after training in the week to watch the reserves thrash the Dingles 7-1.
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Actually OZZ I don't think it fair to accuse Gabby of being selfish if he is not fully fit. Understood the other comments though. The meds/Manager will make that decision and Gabby does scare defenders. However we agree, I think, that the Gabby or Bent debate has yet to be concluded. Now we have a Ireland/Keane arguement. No Emile please.
I dunno how to include them. You? Enjoyed Gardners debut too. OK not perfect but something special from the yoofs again.
But Super T - width -especially given the width of VP pitch - is what we should exploit. AMC, however plays narrow. Always has done apparently.
The thing is Simba, he declared himself fit. At which point, he takes the flac on the chin for not working back, and I won't believe anyone who tells me he does not have games where he sulks out wide, I think he has been sulking since Swansea.
Supertom may be right, play Keane from the right and Ireland central with Albrighton giving the width on the left. Shame they can't all play really!
You never know how a player will react after an illness, it was a calculated gamble that didn't pay off and certainly no reason to have a go at the lad. I don't believe he's sulking, he's just not quite hitting the heights he was a few weeks ago back when you were all accusing Bent of sulking.
Why do you always have to do that ridiculously childish tactic of lumping everybody together? There is no "you all" on here, so just cut it out. It makes your ridiculous posts even harder to take seriously.
It's neither ridiculous nor childish, it's just a figure of speech but as usual you have to personalise things and put in the sort of petty digs that others would get pulled up for. Bent was being accused of sulking with many of you on here convinced he'd be leaving this transfer window. It's what come of over analysing things and people reading far more into things than they should and then refusing to accept that they might have been wrong.
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Actually OZZ I don't think it fair to accuse Gabby of being selfish if he is not fully fit. Understood the other comments though. The meds/Manager will make that decision and Gabby does scare defenders. However we agree, I think, that the Gabby or Bent debate has yet to be concluded. Now we have a Ireland/Keane arguement. No Emile please.
I dunno how to include them. You? Enjoyed Gardners debut too. OK not perfect but something special from the yoofs again.
But Super T - width -especially given the width of VP pitch - is what we should exploit. AMC, however plays narrow. Always has done apparently.
The thing is Simba, he declared himself fit. At which point, he takes the flac on the chin for not working back, and I won't believe anyone who tells me he does not have games where he sulks out wide, I think he has been sulking since Swansea.
Supertom may be right, play Keane from the right and Ireland central with Albrighton giving the width on the left. Shame they can't all play really!
You never know how a player will react after an illness, it was a calculated gamble that didn't pay off and certainly no reason to have a go at the lad. I don't believe he's sulking, he's just not quite hitting the heights he was a few weeks ago back when you were all accusing Bent of sulking.
Why do you always have to do that ridiculously childish tactic of lumping everybody together? There is no "you all" on here, so just cut it out. It makes your ridiculous posts even harder to take seriously.
It's neither ridiculous nor childish, it's just a figure of speech but as usual you have to personalise things and put in the sort of petty digs that others would get pulled up for. Bent was being accused of sulking with many of you on here convinced he'd be leaving this transfer window. It's what come of over analysing things and people reading far more into things than they should and then refusing to accept that they might have been wrong.
I never thought that he was either sulking or going to leave, so please don't include me in the "you", which is exactly the sort of childish nonsense that I was talking about, and the sort that means the words "Chris Smith" next to a post probably means it has the same worth as one with "Coopers Injury".
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Yet more petty, personal digs from Risso. If it was one of the more clued up posters I might take offence but it's just you, being you.
It was you who included yourself in the "you" and turned this into something more than it is.
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Yet more petty, personal digs from Risso. If it was one of the more clued up posters I might take offence but it's just you, being you.
It was you who included yourself in the "you" and turned this into something more than it is.
Stop being such a precious, snide little arse. If you're quoting my post, then using "you" to say that "you all" were predicting relegation and Bent being sold, then of course I'm going to think you're including me. You do it all the time, talking about "the mob" and "drama queens", it's all part of the great Chris Smith act. Take the exact approach to everything, then lump everybody in together so you can pretend that you're being bullied or picked on. There's probably a syndrome somewhere that describes that sort of behaviour.
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Come on lads, we've won.
Lets live in the land of love for while, eh?
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Come on lads, we've won.
Lets live in the land of love for while, eh?
See, Robbie Keane, such a divisive influence!
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Risso, you're back to your amateur psychoanalysis again. instead of just arguing the issue you thrash about spouting all sorts of nonsense but I'm not playing any more, it's boring.
So, back to the issue. It's about now deciding that Gaaby is sulking which is a similar accusation that was levelled at Bent not so long back. I think that is reading too much into things and mentioned the Bent thing to demonstrate that it's a recurring theme.
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I don't agree. It is more that most people can see whether or not a player is being bought to improve the team long term and is likely to be either a step up from what we already have or a great prospect for the future.
This was why we lacked enthusiasm for signings like Heskey, Harewood and many more and like signings like Bent or Edna.
Keane being lumped in with Harewood and Heskey is a little unfair.Keane has always scored goals-fact.He is a step up from what we have-yesterday 3 points were acheived largely because of him.Keane isn't prospect for the future but neither was Merson.in my view I welcome good players short or long term with enthusiasm.
i have regularly read proven, international players being slagged of in this forum before they've kicked a ball.In Villas current state I think some comments on this thread were a little unreasonable for a player of Keanes quality
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I know it's tough reading a thread like this. But just think. When Risso and Chris Smith finally get it together, the sex is going to be a-mazing.
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I know it's tough reading a thread like this. But just think. When Risso and Chris Smith finally get it together, the sex is going to be a-mazing.
Years and years of hostility. The make up sex will be just as volatile but over in 30 seconds. Like the praying mantis, I wonder who will get to kill the other first right afterwards?
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Only just read McLeish's post-match comments re. Keane. Interesting, looks like a stab at taking him permanently might well be in the offing.
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I'd say on current form and the basis of today, you can't really drop Keane, and it'd be very harsh for Ireland not to get back in the side.
Gabby's just lost a little spark of late, maybe just needs a rest.
I'd be tempted to play Keane and Ireland, not least because together they could find a good wavelength and potentially cause havoc. Perhaps one can play as a floating wideman. Or they alternate during the game. They've both played on the wing. It allows them to drift in field, especially as we've got Albrighton who can provide the width.
We do have a few difficult tactical choices to make. The Ireland / Keane type player is in so many ways EXACTLY the type we've needed for ages (Young was very average in that position) and yet it's actually difficult to fit others into the side.
I imagine a bit of rotation between the Arse / QPR games, and Keane will only be here for 2 more after that I believe, so I doubt it will be a huge problem. I can only see two options to get them both in the side:
- Ireland and Clark in central midfield, and probably only one out and out winger with Gardner / Bannan on the other side a little more tucked in so we don't empty out the midfield. I know Modric plays centre midfield with 2 wingers, but Spurs keep the ball much better than us and are less vulnerable to teams breaking on them from the half way line.
- Ireland tucked in wide. Should be feasible, but in practice hasn't worked so far.
I imagine either of those sides would be something to turn to rather than start with, but you never know.
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I know it's tough reading a thread like this. But just think. When Risso and Chris Smith finally get it together, the sex is going to be a-mazing.
Years and years of hostility. The make up sex will be just as volatile but over in 30 seconds. Like the praying mantis, I wonder who will get to kill the other first right afterwards?
Is anybody taking bets?
Perhaps it could be pre-match entertainment. Not that villa fans are voyeuristic. Well, probably no more than any other FC fanbase. If it's Premier League, rather than, say Conference. But not that I am, at all...
I'll stop digging. *puts the top back on the red wine*
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I just keep watching his second goal, brilliant.
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I do love Keane's busy leadership in the final third. Its something we've definitely lacked on the field.
Petrov has his moments I know but not to the same level.
Our defence lacks such a player aside from Given and I'd rather it was an outfield player.
I think the best teams or teams that are successful have one in each third.
Definitely one for the shopping list.
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Keane now needs one more goal with us to score more than half the league goals he managed in his entire time at Liverpool where he cost £19 million.
By the time he goes back to America wouldn't it be nice to see him surpass his Liverpool league tally or better still double what he did.
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I know it's tough reading a thread like this. But just think. When Risso and Chris Smith finally get it together, the sex is going to be a-mazing.
I doubt it. Risso has forever got the painters in whilst Chris only knows one position.
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Haha, wey good sir.
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I'd say on current form and the basis of today, you can't really drop Keane, and it'd be very harsh for Ireland not to get back in the side.
Gabby's just lost a little spark of late, maybe just needs a rest.
I'd be tempted to play Keane and Ireland, not least because together they could find a good wavelength and potentially cause havoc. Perhaps one can play as a floating wideman. Or they alternate during the game. They've both played on the wing. It allows them to drift in field, especially as we've got Albrighton who can provide the width.
We do have a few difficult tactical choices to make. The Ireland / Keane type player is in so many ways EXACTLY the type we've needed for ages (Young was very average in that position) and yet it's actually difficult to fit others into the side.
I imagine a bit of rotation between the Arse / QPR games, and Keane will only be here for 2 more after that I believe, so I doubt it will be a huge problem. I can only see two options to get them both in the side:
- Ireland and Clark in central midfield, and probably only one out and out winger with Gardner / Bannan on the other side a little more tucked in so we don't empty out the midfield. I know Modric plays centre midfield with 2 wingers, but Spurs keep the ball much better than us and are less vulnerable to teams breaking on them from the half way line.
- Ireland tucked in wide. Should be feasible, but in practice hasn't worked so far.
I imagine either of those sides would be something to turn to rather than start with, but you never know.
Trying to play Gabby and Bent has cost us a bit this season, IMO, as unless it's 4-4-2 then it's Gabby wide, which has only worked sporadically. The big decision was to drop one, play the other up top, with Marc and N'Zog wide. So the last thing I want to to see is the balance of the side further effected by trying to fit Keane and Ireland into a formation that leaves us further unbalanced.
Our best set up is having either Ireland or Keane in behind either bent or Gabby.
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I do love Keane's busy leadership in the final third. Its something we've definitely lacked on the field.
Petrov has his moments I know but not to the same level.
Our defence lacks such a player aside from Given and I'd rather it was an outfield player.
I think the best teams or teams that are successful have one in each third.
Definitely one for the shopping list.
Scott Dann is supposed to be such an organiser of defences. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen if/when Blackburn go down.
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He wanted the ball. He did as sub last game. Confident buggar. I like that and we need that.
That for me was the stand out characteristic of Keane's performance, the bloke is full of confidence. Let's hope he can spread some around the place, McCleish mentioned Keane was a big character in the dressing room when we first agreed the loan, after Saturday's performance you can imagine why. The frustrating thing is, there's a very decent team in there somewhere and hopefully we'll start to see them perform to their capability for more than the odd 15 or 20 spell per game.
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I know it's tough reading a thread like this. But just think. When Risso and Chris Smith finally get it together, the sex is going to be a-mazing.
I doubt it. Risso has forever got the painters in whilst Chris only knows one position.
Beautifully played gentlemen.
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There's no way I'm stirring O'Leary's porridge.
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Hehehe.
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There's no way I'm stirring O'Leary's porridge.
Not what your wife says.
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So, is this one that can be erased from the Proof That MON Didn't Know What He Was Doing book?
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I propose that we come up with a term, similar to Godwin's Law, for when any topic on H&V ends up in a MON debate. Any suggestions?
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Thread lockdown?
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Jesus. Thank you Keano. If not for his input we may well have had a different ending to this wretched season.
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Jesus: thanks, Andreas. Without your anticipation in the dying seconds against Fulham we'd have gone.
There were a few "Jesus" moments this season; why we're all probably pretty ragged right now.
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Yawn....if we got 38 points less than we did, we'd have...zero.
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Jesus, thank you for Sandro's deflection.
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Jesus, cheers for Given's saves.
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The three most outstanding instances of individuals almost single-handedly winning us vital points are Keane at Wolves and Gabby against Wigan and Norwich.
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The three most outstanding instances of individuals almost single-handedly winning us vital points are Keane at Wolves and Gabby against Wigan and Norwich.
Not forgetting Weimann vs Fulham
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I'm guessing Percy meant someone pulling a special goal out of the bag rather than just putting the ball in the net so I agree with him. Although Weimann's goal was obviously massively important.
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I was thinking more in terms of a MOTM performance that dragged us through a whole game. From memory I think Gabby scored two and set up the other v Norwich and scored and set up the other v Wigan, while Keane's two great goals v Wolves turned it round from a losing position.
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That's why I'm willing to be patient with Gabby. His game has gone, I don't know where, but he has been a match winner over the years, especially against some of the bigger clubs. I really don't know whats happened to him but a new manager might be abble to get him on track again.
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It is a collective thing though. Imagine where we would have been without Bent getting 9 league goals, or without Dunne coming back and being colossal against Albion for that point..
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I was thinking more in terms of a MOTM performance that dragged us through a whole game. From memory I think Gabby scored two and set up the other v Norwich and scored and set up the other v Wigan, while Keane's two great goals v Wolves turned it round from a losing position.
In the early part of the season, I thought Gabby looked much improved as an all round footballer.
The latter part if the season, though, he has looked every bit as poor and uninterested as the rest of them.
Poor enough to be drummed out with the other big disappointments? Probably.
Does he have enough previous credit in the bank for another season to redeem himself?
Probably.