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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Mister E on December 31, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
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When do you think he will feature in the first team?
How good is he?
What impact do you think he will make? - what should we expect from him?
I know nothing about him but McMinge has shown in the past that he can spot players from lower divisions / other leagues and I'm intrigued to see whether this kid can make a dsifference.
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I imagine he'll be cover for now. Maybe get a run in the side if we're safe and boring in mid table towards the end of the season. Either that or we might loan him out in January. I'd consider starting him in Bristol.
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Probably be thrown in at the deep end, have a mare & not play again. Then after six months be loaned back to the club we bought him from.
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He's looked very accomplished whenever I've seen him play. The Irish league has improved a lot but is still quite a poor standard.
At least with Enda, there's not much of a risk. It's a small fee, probably low wages so if it doesn't work out we won't lose out too much. Look at Kevin Doyle, Shane Long, and Séamus Coleman as examples of players who went straight from the Irish League to the Premiership. Hopefully we've unearthed a real star.
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Probably be thrown in at the deep end, have a mare & not play again. Then after six months be loaned back to the club we bought him from.
Very constructive contribution.
I'd imagine he's going to need a few weeks to get up to speed and might get run out later in the season.
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I'm old enough to remember when we last took a punt on an Irish left back, he didn't play much (the team that season did quite well) but he was always reliable.
Quiz question for the youngsters on here - what was his name?
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Unless Warnock is injured then I don't think you'll see him until next season at the earliest.
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He has looked well off the pace whenever he's played in their Europa League games in recent weeks. The whole team has to do some extent but I think he's noticeably struggled.
He's not even been a regular starter in those, possibly because of his imminent move. Have to say I'm surprised we signed him.
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I'm old enough to remember when we last took a punt on an Irish left back, he didn't play much (the team that season did quite well) but he was always reliable.
Quiz question for the youngsters on here - what was his name?
He played against Juventus didn't he when we were defending our European Cup win? I wasn't born at the time and can't remember his name... I have the right one don't I?
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I wold imagine it will be quite a while before he sees some first team action, next season probably.
The Premier League is a massive step up from the League Of Ireland.
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I'm old enough to remember when we last took a punt on an Irish left back, he didn't play much (the team that season did quite well) but he was always reliable.
Quiz question for the youngsters on here - what was his name?
Was it Eamonn "something" ?
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Tend to think it'll be a few weeks to get up to Prem fitness and speed then a couple of games towards end of season when we're safe.
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Eamon 'chick' Deacy. Now runs a fruit and veg shop here in Galway. Probably the reason I'm still a villa fan. He's mates with my neighbour growing up, and in my formative football watching years gave me a load of claret and blue mags to read when he found out I was interested in the villa. Top man.
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He has looked well off the pace whenever he's played in their Europa League games in recent weeks. The whole team has to do some extent but I think he's noticeably struggled.
He's not even been a regular starter in those, possibly because of his imminent move. Have to say I'm surprised we signed him.
I'd have a concern over his form since his sister died. Can't really blame him to be honest, that would be hard on anyone. Hopefully he comes good.
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Eamon Deacy..
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He's looked very accomplished whenever I've seen him play. The Irish league has improved a lot but is still quite a poor standard.
At least with Enda, there's not much of a risk. It's a small fee, probably low wages so if it doesn't work out we won't lose out too much. Look at Kevin Doyle, Shane Long, and Séamus Coleman as examples of players who went straight from the Irish League to the Premiership. Hopefully we've unearthed a real star.
I agree.
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Eamon Deacy..
Well Done!
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Unless Warnock is injured then I don't think you'll see him until next season at the earliest.
This. I think Warnock is getting back to his old self and Enda will be his cover.
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Warnock played very well yesterday. It was good to see.
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I thought Warnock was outstanding yesterday - if he can just dispense with the 2-3 silly freekicks that he concedes in each game he will be one of our best players this season.
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I think he's just the right age to join the big group (bannan, fonz, gardner, etc) on the cusp of the side that are young enough to keep improving together, the hope has to be that we get to a point where we have 14-15 in that group who could feasibly make a starting 11 between them. That gives them an opportunity to learn their trade around the older heads and develop together. a year or 2 together along with getting regular game time should see us in a position to make them the core of the squad as 23-24 year olds, most of whom have played together for a long time.
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Eamon Deacy..
Well Done!
Didn't he just jack it all in and return back to the family shop? Or did I imagine that?
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Eamon Deacy..
Well Done!
Didn't he just jack it all in and return back to the family shop? Or did I imagine that?
Sounds familiar, hopefully Enda gets a run in the team soon.
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Well he could hardly do any worse than what I've just witnessed.
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Said it before, and I'll say it again. The reason that Warnock wasn't picked by Houllier, is that he is just a poor excuse for a footballer. How we got mugged by spending the kind of money for him that we did, really surprises me.
Never rated him, and never at any point in watching him in a Villa Shirt have I ever felt the need to change my mind I hope that Evil Enda proves to be a much better option.
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For those who said Warnock did well at Chelsea I couldn't disagree more. He repeatedly gave the ball away and today's performance was just a continuation of that form.
I really worry about Warnock when we play anyone with a half decent winger. He was torn apart today by Dyer. His tackling isn't bad but he's lost all his pace and his passing has gone to pot. I just hope Enda is better than him.
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Right from the off, they targeted our flanks and it proved dividends. To be fair to Warnock, he wasn't protected much by the left side of midfield, but it was so obvious at times. I could see it, I'm sure that the Holte could see it, pity that Eck couldn't
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I should be more objective, however, Warnock would have had the hook 30 minutes in if I was the manager. He was hopeless.
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Only time ive seen him was vs Tottenham and he looked awful to be fair
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Very tempted to throw him in against Bristol Rovers.
Warnock will be affected by today. He played so well against Chelsea yet positionally was horrific tonight. We gave their wingers so much room, yet they push our wide players as wide as possible and gave them a very narrow channel. Experienced players like Warnock shouldn't need to told to do that. We made Dyer and Routledge look like the best wingers in the world.
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Enda must have been rubbing his hands after seeing how well his competition for the left back slot played today.
Here's hoping that Enda hits the ground running.
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I'm old enough to remember when we last took a punt on an Irish left back, he didn't play much (the team that season did quite well) but he was always reliable.
Quiz question for the youngsters on here - what was his name?
He played against Juventus didn't he when we were defending our European Cup win? I wasn't born at the time and can't remember his name... I have the right one don't I?
A bit off topic but I remember going to that game and seeing a forward line of Platini, Boniek & Rossi for them (I think). Hmm not bad...
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I've seen him a couple of times and he's going to need a lot of working on to become a premiership defender. Let's hope he does it.
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do you think that he should be given a run of games starting at bristol rovers to gain that spot, thereby letting warnock know he really has to improve his game
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No. Warnock has generally been good this season and I think will get another chance to regain confidence. Given that Stevens wasn't first choice for shamrock rovers I don't see the point of taking the risk until he's had a few reserve games
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Enda officially signed today I and he and Lichaj (out since September) were in training. Two full-backs to hopefully put rockets up the arses of Warnock and Hutton.
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Enda officially signed today I and he and Lichaj (out since September) were in training. Two full-backs to hopefully put rockets up the arses of Warnock and Hutton.
Fingers crossed but hutton seems to be his favourite so lichaj could be in for a long wait.
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its obviously a punt by AM but fairplay, lets see how he works out. nothing to lose really.
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Warnock is a crock of broken shite, so hopefully he will get a chance soon
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Making his debut for the reserves against Arsenal this afternoon (currently leading 1-0).
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And playing well apparently.
The Killkenny goal machine Drennan with the goal. Suprised one of Fonz or Weimann aren't playing though.
Not that we're lacking quality forwards in the reserves and academy.
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Making his debut for the reserves against Arsenal this afternoon (currently leading 1-0).
AVTV with Woodie doing the comm on his phone.
Just like the good old days.
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Finished 1-1.
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Making his debut for the reserves against Arsenal this afternoon (currently leading 1-0).
AVTV with Woodie doing the comm on his phone.
Just like the good old days.
I heard the commentary and really enjoyed hearing the wind blowing as he talked on the phone, good days indeed.
UTV
The Doc
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when do people think he should be on subs bench, as surely warnock is going to be 1st choice left back till end of season. but at least warnock knows that if he messes up during a match he will get subbed
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I guess it's awkward to have a sub who can only play in one defensive position as it means he can only be brought on for one player (I'm presuming he's strictly a left back). I also hope we don't build our hopes up. He's cost £250k from the equivalent of non-league (with apologies to the LoI if that's not the standard) so please don't expect a world-beater. If he turns out as good as Mark Delaney that's great; if he doesn't make it, no big loss.
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thanks dave, but suely by him being on the bench will get warnock thinking no mistakes or i get subbed
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Given that Warnock's issue is primarily one of confidence, I'm not sure that will help to be honest.
Warnock really seems to just go to pieces very easily. It's unusual to see a footballer with that mentality because you wouldn't think they'd make it this far.
He does seem to be better away from home so I'm hoping he's in for a good game tomorrow. CNZ needs to give him enough support.
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It is no co-incidence that our defence has looked shakey since the departure of Milner, he just about covered all the defenders.
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I guess it's awkward to have a sub who can only play in one defensive position as it means he can only be brought on for one player (I'm presuming he's strictly a left back). I also hope we don't build our hopes up. He's cost £250k from the equivalent of non-league (with apologies to the LoI if that's not the standard) so please don't expect a world-beater. If he turns out as good as Mark Delaney that's great; if he doesn't make it, no big loss.
Possibly League two but no higher. There are some good players to be found in the LOI as has been proved over the years but these are few and far between. A lot of LOI players seem to head to Scotland these days where the difference isn't so great.
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It is no co-incidence that our defence has looked shakey since the departure of Milner, he just about covered all the defenders.
nail on head. worked his bollocks off as did young and pre-breathing through his arse petrov. Plus they could keep the ball. no coincidence that since the midfield has degraded, the defence has looked steadily poorer. but Milner was the one - everything went through him.
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It is no co-incidence that our defence has looked shakey since the departure of Milner, he just about covered all the defenders.
nail on head. worked his bollocks off as did young and pre-breathing through his arse petrov. Plus they could keep the ball. no coincidence that since the midfield has degraded, the defence has looked steadily poorer. but Milner was the one - everything went through him.
thought that was Stefan Postma :o
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Wouldn't mind giving him a try, can't, really can't be worse than the incumbent left back, surely.
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It is no co-incidence that our defence has looked shakey since the departure of Milner, he just about covered all the defenders.
Actually, Herd did a similar thing when he ws playing in midfield: his covering of the fullbacks was impressive.
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Mcleish has clearly stated that Stevens is behind Baker and Lichaj. We may not even see him in the squad this season .......
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From what I've seen of Stevens, as a person, he seems to have the right attitude. He seems like the kind of player who works on his game and maybe for his first few months at villa, he'd be best learning the trade. Playing in the Europa League for Rovers will have done him the world of good though.
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Stevens hasn't even made the bench yet so I think he'll be sent on loan soon.
Main worry I had at the time is he didn't play in all the europa games for Shamrock which would be the best indication to how far away he is from prem standard.
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Stevens hasn't even made the bench yet so I think he'll be sent on loan soon.
Main worry I had at the time is he didn't play in all the europa games for Shamrock which would be the best indication to how far away he is from prem standard.
Without checking, that could have been because of the death of his sister, but I'm not certain of that....
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Stevens hasn't even made the bench yet so I think he'll be sent on loan soon.
Main worry I had at the time is he didn't play in all the europa games for Shamrock which would be the best indication to how far away he is from prem standard.
Isn't that the reason we let him stay there in the first place?
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You can hardly force him to play if his head isn't right though.
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After seeing Warnock play shit yet again today, can't see Stevens do any worse.
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He could sit on the crossbar the whole match and still make a greater contribution than Warnock.
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I thought Enda did well yesterday.
I did worry beforehand that he was going to be ripped to bits but he coped admirably with what was thrown at him.
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I don't think he's ever going to make a Premier League regular but I can see him moving to a Championship club for a million or so, which will be a handsome profit.
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I don't think he's ever going to make a Premier League regular but I can see him moving to a Championship club for a million or so, which will be a handsome profit.
Yeah agreed, he did ok but he's never going to be a regular left back for us.
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The kid started his first Premier League game yesterday against one of the top club sides in Europe! I thought he came out on top defensively against Antonio Valencia but also had the courage to go forward and build attacks. He'll get better with experience and I'd leave him in the team if the option is replacing him with Joe Bennett.
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He did better than I expected and Bennett wasn't really missed that much , however I think enda will just be back up and Bennett will be first choice when fit - with lichaj as back up at right back that's pretty much sorted .
Bennett hasn't settled in yet as well as Lowton has done but I think Bennett will turn out fine after a few more games . He hasn't really had much of a run as he was overcoming injury when he arrived then got suspended and injured here and his knee hasn't healed properly- once fully fit and match fit I think he will be ok for us.
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Better than i feared yday.Have to agree with eastie and dave, played well against a top quality winger in Valencia, but probably doesn't have enough going forward to improve us.For what we paid though, very good value.
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I don't think he's ever going to make a Premier League regular but I can see him moving to a Championship club for a million or so, which will be a handsome profit.
Yeah similar to Hogg who let's not forget had a good debut against Man. United a few years ago.
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Considering it was his first league start and the quality of attackers he was facing he did okay. I very much doubt he'll ever be more than a squad player for us and in a year or two we'll sell him to someone for a small profit.
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I thought that Enda did OK. He had a knack of getting in the way of crosses, albeit he didn't know a lot about them (two hit his head and one hit his back). However, he still blocked them
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Its all about taking your opportunities, Enda grabbed his with both hands yesterday let's see what he can do with a run in the team.
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I thought he acquitted himself really well.
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I thought he was very good throughout and surprised me how well he coped.
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Personally I think it's a bit early to say he will never be good enough to be a Premier League regular for us.
I was surprised he did as well as he did yesterday but on that performance I wouldn't sat Bennett was a million miles better than him.
Both are an improvement on Warnock though.
It's not that long ago that Enda was playing in the League Of Ireland so it's a massive step up for him.
I would expect him to replace the marvelous Stephen Ward in the Irish squad very soon...hopefully.
The way we (Villa) are going there will be an all Villa Republic Of Ireland 11 soon.
Burke, Drennan , Grealish, Carruthers and Williams are all knocking at the door of the first team.
The future is bright, the future is green....not lime green.
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Indeed Ger, isn't it great!Can't wait to talk to my work colleague tomorrow, he knows Enda quite well and I will relay the mostly positive comments from here.
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It's hard to see why some are writing him off after one league game. I thought he did very well yesterday.
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I thought he did far better than the poor Gooner against Valencia last week. I know he was caught out positionally twice but he played solidly, and didn't give away Warnockesque freekicks. For a baptism of fire he came out only slightly scalded
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It's hard to see why some are writing him off after one league game. I thought he did very well yesterday.
Agree 100%. Bloody hell, it was his first start and he was facing Valencia who, although he isn't one of the big names for Utd, is always in the team for their big matches and is one of the best wide players in the league. I thought he did ok. People are raving about Westwood, he was fortunate enough to have a relatively easy start away from home at the lower table team. Enda is stuck in at home, in front of the biggest crowd of the season and the TV cameras. If he can continue in the same vein against lesser opposition then he will be ok. At the least he will ensure Bennett is on top of his game if he regains the shirt.
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I don't think anyone is writing him off but at swindon he was given a torrid time and ripped apart by the Swindon wide man, I thought he did well against utd and will be a useful squad member , I was worried about cover for Bennett but now I am not so worried.
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I don't think anyone is writing him off but at swindon he was given a torrid time and ripped apart by the Swindon wide man, I thought he did well against utd and will be a useful squad member , I was worried about cover for Bennett but now I am not so worried.
In my defence, (see what I did there?) several posters have offered the view that they don't believe he will ever make a Premier League footballer.
Rightly, or wrongly, I construed those remarks as writing him off.
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I can't begin to imagine how nervous he must have been on Saturday, to be starting against Man Utd with a 40k plus crowd. I thought he did well, especially first half.
The thing is with all the kids they will grow in to their roles and also the club as they get experience. It's a big step up playing in the premier league from Sheff Utd, Crewe and Shamrock Rovers.
I can see the beginnings of a really good side coming together at Villa Park and hopefully one with some longevity.
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Maybe he could be our new Deacy.
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He did a solid job against a very talented winger on Saturday, but you just feel that he will always be a back up at this level. To me he'd make a very good Championship player; solid, reliable yet completely unspectacular. At the PL level, and especially how PL wants to play he'll never be a quick attacking overlapping full back. To me he's a poor man's Freddy Bouma who will ably support and cover for the player in front of him.
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He did a solid job against a very talented winger on Saturday, but you just feel that he will always be a back up at this level. To me he'd make a very good Championship player; solid, reliable yet completely unspectacular. At the PL level, and especially how PL wants to play he'll never be a quick attacking overlapping full back. To me he's a poor man's Freddy Bouma who will ably support and cover for the player in front of him.
Some one has to be the backup. The likes of Chelsea (ie with Cole & Bertrand) etc can have two top quality internationals for each position. Villa are not in that situation, so a Championship calibre player as backup seems reasonable to me.
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Before the match, I was worried he'd have a horrible time of it, but I thought, in the end, he did very well.
He's an inexperienced, young player. Just because he's not shown much sign yet of being the next Ashley Cole, it seems a bit harsh to be writing him off. Give him a chance.
I've seen enough in the little play he's had to suggest he may well have a decent career in the PL.
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He did a solid job against a very talented winger on Saturday, but you just feel that he will always be a back up at this level. To me he'd make a very good Championship player; solid, reliable yet completely unspectacular. At the PL level, and especially how PL wants to play he'll never be a quick attacking overlapping full back. To me he's a poor man's Freddy Bouma who will ably support and cover for the player in front of him.
Some one has to be the backup. The likes of Chelsea (ie with Cole & Bertrand) etc can have two top quality internationals for each position. Villa are not in that situation, so a Championship calibre player as backup seems reasonable to me.
Absolutely, and if that's where he ends up at this level I think he'll have had a decent career. I just get the impression that after a while he'll want to play on a regular basis and will end up one level down to get it. Nothing wrong with that.
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He could probably do with going on loan and getting some regular first team football. Obviously he can't do that at the minute because we haven't got many other options, but maybe he could go in January and get some games under his belt.
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Before the match, I was worried he'd have a horrible time of it, but I thought, in the end, he did very well.
He's an inexperienced, young player. Just because he's not shown much sign yet of being the next Ashley Cole, it seems a bit harsh to be writing him off. Give him a chance.
I've seen enough in the little play he's had to suggest he may well have a decent career in the PL.
My thoughts entirely.
Why are people writing him off before he's had the opportunity to show what he can do? I seem to remember some people saying something similar about Benteke just a few weeks ago.
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Before the match, I was worried he'd have a horrible time of it, but I thought, in the end, he did very well.
He's an inexperienced, young player. Just because he's not shown much sign yet of being the next Ashley Cole, it seems a bit harsh to be writing him off. Give him a chance.
I've seen enough in the little play he's had to suggest he may well have a decent career in the PL.
My thoughts entirely.
Why are people writing him off before he's had the opportunity to show what he can do? I seem to remember some people saying something similar about Benteke just a few weeks ago.
There's a difference in not thinking a player will make it at the top level but will probably have a Byfield/Murray type career, i.e. have a good career in the lower leagues and some of the comments aimed at Benteke. He's shit, the new Heskey, a donkey, will never make it etc.
If people were writing Stevens off they'd be saying things like "he won't make it" rather than "I doubt, don't think he will" etc. If that makes sense.
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Before the match, I was worried he'd have a horrible time of it, but I thought, in the end, he did very well.
He's an inexperienced, young player. Just because he's not shown much sign yet of being the next Ashley Cole, it seems a bit harsh to be writing him off. Give him a chance.
I've seen enough in the little play he's had to suggest he may well have a decent career in the PL.
My thoughts entirely.
Why are people writing him off before he's had the opportunity to show what he can do? I seem to remember some people saying something similar about Benteke just a few weeks ago.
There's a difference in not thinking a player will make it at the top level but will probably have a Byfield/Murray type career, i.e. have a good career in the lower leagues and some of the comments aimed at Benteke. He's shit, the new Heskey, a donkey, will never make it etc.
If people were writing Stevens off they'd be saying things like "he won't make it" rather than "I doubt, don't think he will" etc. If that makes sense.
I can see what you're saying, but I think you're probably splitting hairs here and although no one has said he's rubbish following Saturday's game, some have been quite dismissive.
They might well turn out to be correct, but my point was that it's perhaps a little bit early to be pronouncing judgement on his future after one League game, where he certainly did not let himself down.
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I thought Lambert was going to play safe and go with Delph but fair play to him for giving Stevens a run. He did well for his first game but i can't see him being a regular premiership left back but i hope i'm wrong. Maybe it would be an idea to throw him on at left midfield in a game we're winning at some point. He's got a decent cross on him apparantley.
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I liked the look of him and hopefully will improve with experience.