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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: olaftab on December 29, 2011, 06:00:59 PM
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Just heard that the red card he issued to Conor Sammon has been rescinded. That means his last two red cards (Herd) have been over turned.
This coupled with his general incompetence should make him unfit to referee at this level but will the FA take any action?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/latest/2011/12/29/sammon-boost-for-wigan-115875-23666864/
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
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i despise that prick. he was truly shit against bolton as well a couple of weeks ago. he will be welcomed at old trafford for the next few years but he will never be welcomed at Villa Park!
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Staffordshire Red.
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How he still gets Premier League games every week is beyond belief. He's bloody woeful.
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This coupled with his general incompetence should make him unfit to referee at this level but will the FA take any action?
Nope.
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So Sammon got off the hook then?
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So Sammon got off the hook then?
Don't fall for the bait.
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So Sammon got off the hook then?
To be fair, most people thought that there was something fishy going on.
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He also gave a pen in the game whcih was outside the box. Amazinf how Man Utd needed to up their goald difference and up steps Phil Down as ref for a home game aainst Wigan!!
Hes a disgrace and makes life difficult for the good refs as they get tarnished witht he same brush as this twat when they make a genuine mistake. Anyone see the howler from Webb in the Mackems v Everton game? Clueless!
Best ref is the young guy - not Atwell - but the ref we had against QPR. Has a really strong backbone and does not get swayed by personalities or crowds.
As for Dowd, well I can't say what I really think about him. I doubt he will need to worry about money when he retires.
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Video of incident here (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/manchester-united-5-%E2%80%93-wigan-0/)
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Dowd is just a maggot.
Mind you Mike Dean is little better, and takes huge pride in over acting decision when he knows they are controversial as he makes them. Pillock.
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If I was as shit at my job as he is at his i'd have been given the push a long time ago, he really is wank.
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How shit must the refs be at the lower levels for Phil Dowd to still be considered among the most competent to officiate in the PL?
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Phil Dowd's problem is his man tits get in the way of his eye's,the fat bastard.
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is he the one who had recovered from cancer a while back ?
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is he the one who had recovered from cancer a while back ?
That was Mark Halsey I think.
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(http://robosvillablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/23767_363397933967_575933967_4881195_5934757_n.jpg)
Phil Dowd - Carling Cup winner 2010.
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is he the one who had recovered from cancer a while back ?
That was Mark Halsey I think.
yes, think your right
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Yes, it was Mark Halsey who recovered from cancer.
And all of you have got the other name wrong, too. His full name is 'Manchester United's Phil Dowd'.
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Best ref is the young guy - not Atwell - but the ref we had against QPR. Has a really strong backbone and does not get swayed by personalities or crowds.
Michael Oliver?
Yeah, he is good.
Howard Webb is overrated.
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Agree Phil Dowd is a shocking ref, wants to stamp his personality on the Game.
On the point of the Osman penalty, why isnt sighting used, he kicked the ground but immediately appealed for a penalty wghich Webb gave. If they want to kick diving out they should punish players that cheat in this way.
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Staffordshire Red.
Is this actually provable?
If so then he should never ref any of their games.
It would be like me doing a Villa game!
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Wanker.
I will never forget that prick for his Wembley match winning performance.
CNUT.
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Staffordshire Red.
Is this actually provable?
If so then he should never ref any of their games.
It would be like me doing a Villa game!
It's true, he's one of the notorious Men in Black too.
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Up there with the likes of Uriah Rennie ,Andy Durso , Stuart Attwell and the prick from Leicester,Danson i think it was as being a really awful referee. I do not know if he is a staffordshire red,but i do know he won the Carling cup for them.
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Dowd is the most incompetent, Mike Dean is the most coinable.
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They are all wankers, it's time to fuck the lot of them off and get in professionals
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They are all wankers, it's time to fuck the lot of them off and get in professionals
The Premier League refs are professional referees and have been for years.
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They are all wankers, it's time to fuck the lot of them off and get in professionals
The Premier League refs are professional referees and have been for years.
Think that there was a touch of irony in his post mate
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
Ridiculous comment.
If you make an honest mistake in your line of work would you expect to be called an absolute disgrace?
Referees make mistakes. I agree that they should ultimately be held accountable for their performances, (just as anyone in any job should) but to dress it up as anything more than that is crazy.
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
Ridiculous comment.
If you make an honest mistake in your line of work would you expect to be called an absolute disgrace?
Referees make mistakes. I agree that they should ultimately be held accountable for their performances, (just as anyone in any job should) but to dress it up as anything more than that is crazy.
No it's not, Paulie's right. He's made mistakes season after season. If you made mistakes year after year in your job, you'd probably be shown the door. The Herd and Sammon red cards were the work of a incompetent referee.
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Not to mention Vidic.
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
Ridiculous comment.
If you make an honest mistake in your line of work would you expect to be called an absolute disgrace?
Referees make mistakes. I agree that they should ultimately be held accountable for their performances, (just as anyone in any job should) but to dress it up as anything more than that is crazy.
No it's not, Paulie's right. He's made mistakes season after season. If you made mistakes year after year in your job, you'd probably be shown the door. The Herd and Sammon red cards were the work of a incompetent referee.
Well yes, incompetent and a poor referee, but an absolute disgrace? Really? To who?
The people who are involved in sport who are deserving of the term disgrace are the ones who cheat, use performance enhancing drugs, intentionally go out to injure people etc etc.
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Agree Phil Dowd is a shocking ref, wants to stamp his personality on the Game.
On the point of the Osman penalty, why isnt sighting used, he kicked the ground but immediately appealed for a penalty wghich Webb gave. If they want to kick diving out they should punish players that cheat in this way.
Citing, maybe?
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hes an arrogant twat . I bet hes got no mates to go and have a drink with .
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p.s I do like that Oliver ref. He doesnt care If its John Terry or Rooney . Everyone gets the same treatment
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
Ridiculous comment.
If you make an honest mistake in your line of work would you expect to be called an absolute disgrace?
Referees make mistakes. I agree that they should ultimately be held accountable for their performances, (just as anyone in any job should) but to dress it up as anything more than that is crazy.
No it's not, Paulie's right. He's made mistakes season after season. If you made mistakes year after year in your job, you'd probably be shown the door. The Herd and Sammon red cards were the work of a incompetent referee.
To be fair to him, and it galls me to do it, the Herd Penalty was given by the Linesman
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
Ridiculous comment.
If you make an honest mistake in your line of work would you expect to be called an absolute disgrace?
Referees make mistakes. I agree that they should ultimately be held accountable for their performances, (just as anyone in any job should) but to dress it up as anything more than that is crazy.
No it's not, Paulie's right. He's made mistakes season after season. If you made mistakes year after year in your job, you'd probably be shown the door. The Herd and Sammon red cards were the work of a incompetent referee.
To be fair to him, and it galls me to do it, the Herd Penalty was given by the Linesman
True, but it was Dowd who decided it was worthy of a sending offf when he had'nt even seen it.
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"Best ref is the young guy - not Atwell - but the ref we had against QPR. Has a really strong backbone and does not get swayed by personalities or crowds." - Fuse.
It tells its own story that the one competent referee you know is the only one who's name you don't. How it should be.
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
Ridiculous comment.
If you make an honest mistake in your line of work would you expect to be called an absolute disgrace?
Referees make mistakes. I agree that they should ultimately be held accountable for their performances, (just as anyone in any job should) but to dress it up as anything more than that is crazy.
He's a disgrace to refereeing, as he manages to combine getting big decisions frequently incorrect with that horrible "look at me, centre of attention" approach that the worst referees frequently have.
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
Ridiculous comment.
If you make an honest mistake in your line of work would you expect to be called an absolute disgrace?
Referees make mistakes. I agree that they should ultimately be held accountable for their performances, (just as anyone in any job should) but to dress it up as anything more than that is crazy.
He's a disgrace to refereeing, as he manages to combine getting big decisions frequently incorrect with that horrible "look at me, centre of attention" approach that the worst referees frequently have.
Oh he's definitely a poor referee, no question about that.
However no referee, unless they are purposefully favouring teams, (which I don't believe any ref to do, despite the hysterics of many clubs fans) is a disgrace.
On a side note, its always annoyed me that supporters give so much abuse to referees, rather than the large no of players constantly making the referee's job very difficult by their diving / crowding round aggressively debating each decision.
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
Ridiculous comment.
If you make an honest mistake in your line of work would you expect to be called an absolute disgrace?
Referees make mistakes. I agree that they should ultimately be held accountable for their performances, (just as anyone in any job should) but to dress it up as anything more than that is crazy.
No it's not, Paulie's right. He's made mistakes season after season. If you made mistakes year after year in your job, you'd probably be shown the door. The Herd and Sammon red cards were the work of a incompetent referee.
To be fair to him, and it galls me to do it, the Herd Penalty was given by the Linesman
True, but it was Dowd who decided it was worthy of a sending offf when he had'nt even seen it.
.. not sure about that. Anyway I'm not trying to big him up, he is a total tool.
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Dowd is, without question, the worst ref currently in the Premier League. Don't think he is biased towards the reds, just inept.
If you have any doubt look at the 2 penalties given to Newcastle in their 4-4 draw with Arsenal.
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I think the word disgrace does apply to repeated incompetence at the highest level.
In the local park a refereeing mistake is no big deal whatsoever. At a level where come the end of the season millions of pounds and hundreds of jobs are at stake the overall control of a game and the competence of the man or woman controlling it is.
Referees are very well paid and accorded (in my view wrongly) sports star status. That status has to be earned. Dowd does not too frequently. In my book that puts him in disgrace.
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He is an absolute disgrace. That Sammon red card was beyond belief.
Ridiculous comment.
If you make an honest mistake in your line of work would you expect to be called an absolute disgrace?
Referees make mistakes. I agree that they should ultimately be held accountable for their performances, (just as anyone in any job should) but to dress it up as anything more than that is crazy.
He's a disgrace to refereeing, as he manages to combine getting big decisions frequently incorrect with that horrible "look at me, centre of attention" approach that the worst referees frequently have.
Exactly, he wants to get involved in the game, loves himself. The best refs you dont notice, Dowd is the opposite-wanker.
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I agree with Paulie, the prick is a disgrace to refereeing and i have thought so for a long time.I remember a few years back in a game against West Ham at Villa Park him giving a penalty against us when the Villa player think it was Delaney or Hendrie had his back to the ball. When ever i see he is in charge of us i am dissappointed as its almost certain he will make a big error usually against us. In fact ethe game against Bolton is the first game i can remember us winning and even then he managed to book Gabby wrongly i believe and get him suspended for the Liverpool game.
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Dowd is an awful referee I'll never forgive him for the League Cup Final. What annoys me with the ref's now is how a lot of them especially ones like Dowd just love being the centre of attention, leading the teams out like they think everyone has turned up to see them. When I was growing up I could hardly name any ref's which is how it should be.
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"Best ref is the young guy - not Atwell - but the ref we had against QPR. Has a really strong backbone and does not get swayed by personalities or crowds." - Fuse.
It tells its own story that the one competent referee you know is the only one who's name you don't. How it should be.
Exactly. Wish the refs were all like him. No doubt he will probably get destroyed by a Ferguson or Dalglish for giving a pen against them and be banished to the lower leagues.
I'd be interested if the refs in the lower leagues are as inept but we just don't hear about it in the press or whether as I suspect, they are a whole lot better.
One thing which has definitely changed is years ago we used to slag foreign referees for their performances when British teams played in Europe. Nowadays the foregin refs show ours how its done and it is for 2 reasons:
1) they realise they are the ref and not the centre of attention or expected to be a personality
2) they don;t give a shit of it is Rooney, Terry or Ferguson or Dalgish - they call it as they see it and we don't get the amount of injustice we do in the PL. Whether our refs are corrupt is difficult to say but one thing they are is starry-eyed and try to impress the managers and players of the big clubs. Drives me up the wall.
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On Boxing Day my family and I watched Cambridge Utd play Braintree Town. The referee was a woman and I think it was the lino who Andy Gray got into trouble over. She was okay. Bit late on the whistle to home crowd shouts and the Braintree players took the piss a bit but on the whole she was competent. The Cambridge crowd on the other hand drove us mad with unfunny stereotypical sexist abuse, Unfunny is the important word in that sentence.
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On Boxing Day my family and I watched Cambridge Utd play Braintree Town. The referee was a woman and I think it was the lino who Andy Gray got into trouble over. She was okay. Bit late on the whistle to home crowd shouts and the Braintree players took the piss a bit but on the whole she was competent. The Cambridge crowd on the other hand drove us mad with unfunny stereotypical sexist abuse, Unfunny is the important word in that sentence.
Sian Massey? She's reffed a couple of games at Tamworth and has always looked very good ( refereeing wise, I ain't no sexist!). Why any fans think she hasn't heard their oh so witty abuse countless times before I don't know. I even heard her answer a fan who shouted "Give it up love and go and get me dinner on." with, "The last thing you need is more food mate." Cue said fan getting pelters off his own fans and shutting up for the rest of the game.
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That's brilliant Dave.
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I blame You Are the Ref for turning us all into experts!
Oh for the heady days of old when the only ref most people knew was Clive Thomas. Rather than the media attention seeking twunts we get now.
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I remember a few years back in a game against West Ham at Villa Park him giving a penalty against us when the Villa player think it was Delaney or Hendrie had his back to the ball.
That may have been the game at Sunderland when Elleray gave a penalty when the ball hit Delaney on the shoulder blade.
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is he the one who had recovered from cancer a while back ?
No he is the one who has not recovered from being useless!
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Oh for the heady days of old when the only ref most people knew was Clive Thomas.
Oh yes, Clive `The Book` was without doubt the name we all remember. The other I recall was Roger Kirkpatrick who had a big moustache and looked a bit like Jimmy Edwards.
The big name of the 1950s was Arthur Ellis. Better known to those of us as kids in the 1960s for being on `It's a Knockout`. They should start that up again (Stuart Hall is still around) and pack Dowd off there.
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in the same game as the "incident" she gave one of the worst offside decisions ever, but no one remembers that. I have no problem with female officials, when I was playing we had a few just breaking through and they were as good and as bad as thier male counterparts
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Video of incident here (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/manchester-united-5-%E2%80%93-wigan-0/)
Whilst I do think Dowd is a ******, I can see why both of those were given on one viewing at normal speed. I hadn't seen either before but it did look like an elbow at first, especially with O'Shea(?) reacting like he did. And it was hard to tell that the tackle wasn't in or out of the box either. These seem to show more that we need to look at giving refs televisual aids for these decisions as Footy is now the last major sport in this country that doesn't use it for major decisions.
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The thing is that we are all experts nowadays when it comes to referees.
We get to see an incident from 4 different angles, in slow motion.
A ref gets to see it once, at full speed, and not necessarily with a good view depending on how quickly the direction of play has changed. I also believe that a large no of players have become incredibly adept at cheating.
Yes they make mistakes, and some seem to be poor at their job. They should be held to account for their performances without question. However, to be called wankers, ****** and disgraces for this is not a reasonable response. Its a game of football when all is said and done (despite the money involved).
I don't think any ref goes out to purposely make mistakes or favour a given side. I also don't think they like to make themselves the center of attention, but come across that way as the media and managers draw so much attention to the referee.
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in the same game as the "incident" she gave one of the worst offside decisions ever, but no one remembers that. I have no problem with female officials, when I was playing we had a few just breaking through and they were as good and as bad as thier male counterparts
Really, ever? Maybe I'm thinking about a different incident but she gave offside when he was slightly better then level, (never mind that it is hard for a linesperson to be sure of the exact right angle of a pitch to get an exact line).
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Like it aftab235,made me laugh.
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First rule of refereeing: You only give what you see. If you can't see it, you can't give it. Problem is, wankers like Dowd give what they THINK they see rather than what they actually do.
Think back to when Vidic should have gone at Wembley against us and look at Sammons sending off last week. Nothing short of complete and utter incompetence
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Who is he playing for today then? ;-)
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I remember a few years back in a game against West Ham at Villa Park him giving a penalty against us when the Villa player think it was Delaney or Hendrie had his back to the ball.
That may have been the game at Sunderland when Elleray gave a penalty when the ball hit Delaney on the shoulder blade.
David Elleray - two words guaranteed to get me fuming. Almost always a controversial decision to our detriment including the one mentioned and the famous Enckelman stepover at Blues under GT mk II. A Harrow schoolmaster who is said to have always insisted on a match ticket for his "special friend". Yes male, since you ask. Whatever, I can't recall us ever winning when he was officiating.
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They have all gone down hill since Jack Taylor.