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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Handsworth Wood Villa on December 28, 2011, 12:04:46 AM
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Which areas of Birmingham would you class as Villa areas?
And which areas of Birmingham would you class as Blues areas?
Do you think that this map accurately reflects the support of the two clubs within the City?
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9053/villauk.jpg)
Claret = Villa areas
Blue = Blues areas
Yellow = Mixed areas
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9053/villauk.jpg
Is it as simple as a North-South divide? (North Brum being Villa and South Brum being Blues?)
Also do you think there is any truth in the claim that Blues are the real Brummie club? (like how Man City say they are the real Mancunian club) - with Villa being a more general Midlands club?
And finally, do you think there is any truth in there being a class divide? (with Villa fans being more middle-class and Blues fans being more working class?)
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I definitely wouldn't describe Erdington as mixed, unless you're talking about gloryhunting pricks. Can't remember the last time I saw a Blues shirt around there.
And the whole "real Brummie club" thing is a laughable myth. I'd only ever met three 'noses by the time I left school in 1994.
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No.
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my experience is its pretty equal outside the immediate vacinity of the clubs. Certainly i wouldn't call yardley a blose stronghold. Anyway it probably should be all red from all the midland plastic mancs and bindippers
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I would say Sutton is certainly Villa, there are a few noses but generally they have been imported in through marriage and the such like from the heathen states.
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tao, stop posting things like this
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tao, stop posting things like this
I agree.
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I definitely wouldn't describe Erdington as mixed, unless you're talking about gloryhunting pricks. Can't remember the last time I saw a Blues shirt around there.
This is true.
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Also do you think there is any truth in the claim that Blues are the real Brummie club? (like how Man City say they are the real Mancunian club) - with Villa being a more general Midlands club?
Is this a late contender for `Most stupid question of the year on H & V` award ?
Provocative f#*ker !
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There's a theory on another forum he posts on that the TRS in his username stands for Tilton Road Stand. He'll be alright on here though - our moderators can't even work out who Lichfield Loon supports, even though he only posts about how hard b-lose fans are, and his ip address being in Yardley.
Anyway, in answer to the question, b-lose have no strongholds anymore. Kingshurst is mainly Villa and Chelmsley is about 50/50. They were the last bastions of knuckledragging.
One of the more realistic posters on SHA reckons they draw their support almost exclusively from an area the size of Blackburn in the bottom right-hand corner of Brum, which, he says, explains why they get crowds similar to t'Rovers.
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I'm from Northfield and although there are more blues round here than elsewhere in Birmingham, there's still an equal amount of Villa.
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My house is Villa but next door is Blues, hope this helps.
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My house is Villa but next door is Blues, hope this helps.
You live in a Villa but next door is the Home of the Blues, yes?
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My missus grew up and went to school in Edgbaston and Handsworth, and had never knowingly met a b-loser until I took her up the Prince Hal when she was seventeen.
Of course, this does not rule out the possibility that she met some who were too embarrassed to admit it.
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They haven't got an area of support, they've got a corridor along the A45 and that's about it.
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I'm from Northfield and although there are more blues round here than elsewhere in Birmingham, there's still an equal amount of Villa.
I live in Northfield too. I would say its still a blue area although there are plenty of Villa round here. As you go further out; IE: Redditch I think (only my opinion) it goes to Villa.
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They haven't got an area of support, they've got a corridor along the A45 and that's about it.
Don't let Kenny Rubery Blue hear you say that.
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I'm from Northfield and although there are more blues round here than elsewhere in Birmingham, there's still an equal amount of Villa.
I live in Northfield too. I would say its still a blue area although there are plenty of Villa round here. As you go further out; IE: Redditch I think (only my opinion) it goes to Villa.
I've got quite a few mates from Northfield and they, bar one, are Villa fans.
And a good mate of mine who is a one of them grew up in Erdington.
In truth there is no 'divide'.
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tao, stop posting things like this
I agree.
Why do I get the impression that we have somebody here after a bit og help with his school projects?
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tao, stop posting things like this
It was my first suspicion which is why I simply answered, all the help with school work was always appreciated. Although not sure how you would quote a pauliewalnuts or John M'Zog in your final summary!
I agree.
Why do I get the impression that we have somebody here after a bit og help with his school projects?
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My house is Villa but next door is Blues, hope this helps.
You live in a Villa but next door is the Home of the Blues, yes?
Fabulous. I bet you get to hear some wonderful music. Did Muddy Waters ever play there?
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My house is Villa but next door is Blues, hope this helps.
You live in a Villa but next door is the Home of the Blues, yes?
Fabulous. I bet you get to hear some wonderful music. Did Muddy Waters ever play there?
No, but Robert Johnson did just after I'd bought his soul.
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I'm from Northfield and although there are more blues round here than elsewhere in Birmingham, there's still an equal amount of Villa.
I live in Northfield too. I would say its still a blue area although there are plenty of Villa round here. As you go further out; IE: Redditch I think (only my opinion) it goes to Villa.
Tend to agree, I've been in the Northfield area for, lets say a long time, nearly all my mates are bluenoses. as you go down towards Selly Oak, Stirchley and Selly Park it definately changes.
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I used to live in Northfield a few years ago and would say that it was pretty equel with the baggies also having quite a few fans to.
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Shocking news that Chris has bought Robert Johnson's soul. What with the burglary and now this sale, the Francis's must be going through some hard times.
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I'd say Kings Norton is mainly Villa. I don't live there just what I've seen from the area.
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The city is ours!!!!
Seriously Erdington is definitely Villa.
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There is no one particular area that is exclusively (or even predominantly) Villa, Blues or whoever.
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There is no one particular area that is exclusively (or even predominantly) Villa, Blues or whoever.
Kingstanding isn't predominantly Villa? Or Aston coming to that? Perry Barr? etc etc
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Have to disagree there Lee. Are you telling me that Kingstanding, Erdington and Sutton are not predominantly Villa?
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There is no one particular area that is exclusively (or even predominantly) Villa, Blues or whoever.
Yes there are!!
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I've always thought of Yardley, Sheldon and the areas surrounding Shite Andrews as the only real "Nose" strongholds.
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Bartley Green should be yellow because there are a fair few blosers about. Which is to be expected when Northfield is on our doorstep.
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tao, stop posting things like this
It's a TRS-T thread. He is our resident expert on such meaningful matters and in time you will love all his contributions.
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Tao is his first name.
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It always amazes me in Dawlish when you go to see Villa against the noses at the pub us Villa are always out numbered by about 20 to 5.
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That is indeed amazing. Does Dawlish have a zoo or open prison near by?
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Nah - the National Express terminates there. No one explained to them that they needed to ask for a return ticket.
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I disagreed with a couple of the yellows. I would have thought Erdington was Villa and Hall Green was Blues but with people moving out of the areas they were brought up in far more than was the case years ago the lines definately get blurred. Even their A45 corridor of power (we don't go but we wear the gonads around our necks) is being eroded. As for Blues being the real Birmingham club, if that means we have support from outside Birmingham and no-one who was born outside of a Birmingham postcode can stand them then yes I'd say they are. More interesting, given the geography of the grounds, would be to ask which areas of Dundee are blue and which are tangerine?
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That is indeed amazing. Does Dawlish have a zoo or open prison near by?
No but funny enough there is one rough estate in Dawlish where all the drug addicts seem to get housed. It is also the same estate most of the noses live in.
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I disagreed with a couple of the yellows. I would have thought Erdington was Villa and Hall Green was Blues but with people moving out of the areas they were brought up in far more than was the case years ago the lines definately get blurred. Even their A45 corridor of power (we don't go but we wear the gonads around our necks) is being eroded. As for Blues being the real Birmingham club, if that means we have support from outside Birmingham and no-one who was born outside of a Birmingham postcode can stand them then yes I'd say they are. More interesting, given the geography of the grounds, would be to ask which areas of Dundee are blue and which are tangerine?
If I remember aren't they next door to each other (or sort of)?
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They are on the same street, a bit apart on opposing sides.
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I've always thought of Yardley, Sheldon and the areas surrounding Shite Andrews as the only real "Nose" strongholds.
I grew up in Sheldon at a time when Villa were a third division club. It used to be said that Sheldon was a Blues area but there are now as many Villa as Blues there from what I can see. Similarly, Solihull has as many Villa fans if not more than Blues.
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I'm sure there was a report about 2 seasons ago which said the average wage of blues fans was higher than the average wage of villa fans
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My old man reckons a lot of the staunch nose areas of the 70's gradually spawned lots of Villa youngsters when we won the European cup and the League which has led to them being pretty equal now.
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Growing up in Stourbridge late-70's I only knew one Blose fan (he was a really nice guy); the mix was Wolves first then Olbiun then us. Recently mostly Villa. That changes every couple of seasons when the first two get into the Prem and they remember who they support and put stickers in their cars.
I remember the infamous 0-3 night when 5 Blose fans were in Mr Q's surrounded by 40+ Villa (the majority of who were so young they had never seen us play each other).
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Shocking news that Chris has bought Robert Johnson's soul. What with the burglary and now this sale, the Francis's must be going through some hard times.
Is that Hard Times live at the Home of The Blues? I'd no idea that the Francis clan had such links to this wonderful music
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Anyway it probably should be all red from all the midland plastic mancs and bindippers
Birmingham must have one of the highest rates of gloryhunting out of the major cities.
Does anyone in Aston actually support Villa?
And does anyone in Small Heath actually support Blues?
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Anyway it probably should be all red from all the midland plastic mancs and bindippers
Birmingham must have one of the highest rates of gloryhunting out of the major cities.
Does anyone in Aston actually support Villa?
And does anyone in Small Heath actually support Blues?
Does anyone actually care?
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My missus grew up and went to school in Edgbaston and Handsworth, and had never knowingly met a b-loser until I took her up the Prince Hal when she was seventeen.
Of course, this does not rule out the possibility that she met some who were too embarrassed to admit it.
Care to rephrase that?
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I'm sure there was a report about 2 seasons ago which said the average wage of blues fans was higher than the average wage of villa fans
You see that would only account for those actually working.
So the rags sample was taken from Jasper Carrot and Karren Brady, which obviously distorts the result somewhat.
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My old man reckons a lot of the staunch nose areas of the 70's gradually spawned lots of Villa youngsters when we won the European cup and the League which has led to them being pretty equal now.
Growing up in a Castle Brom, a lot of Villa Fans I knew had Nose dads.
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I grew up in handsworth and went to secondary school in Sandwell till I was 13. I met very very few blues fans in that time. In handsworth it was Villa or Liverpool (amongst descendants of immigrants with very few local ties) and at school it was all villa or the baggies.
I then moved to kings Heath and it felt like blues / villa was a fairly even split. It did feel like a class thing to an extent there. Our 'A band' at baverstock tended to live in kings Heath and support villa. B band tended to live in Druids Heath and support blues. I don't know if this has shifted much since; we were much better than blues then; the gap's now smaller.
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tao, stop posting things like this
Steve Bruce for England.
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I agree. But only cos I support Scotland.
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My old man reckons a lot of the staunch nose areas of the 70's gradually spawned lots of Villa youngsters when we won the European cup and the League which has led to them being pretty equal now.
Growing up in a Castle Brom, a lot of Villa Fans I knew had Nose dads.
Come to think of it, i'm not sure we should be admitting to this, as accusations of glory hunting could be thrown back at us!
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Ha! He thought nobody got the point, so had to make it again himself.
Be interesting to see what percentage of his posts don't include some thinly-veiled criticism of Villa fans.
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My old man reckons a lot of the staunch nose areas of the 70's gradually spawned lots of Villa youngsters when we won the European cup and the League which has led to them being pretty equal now.
Growing up in a Castle Brom, a lot of Villa Fans I knew had Nose dads.
Come to think of it, i'm not sure we should be admitting to this, as accusations of glory hunting could be thrown back at us!
Only people with no knowledge of football would say that, we've always had a far larger support than that tinpot bunch of wankers down the road.
I know we like to be fair minded but their support, home and away, for a city of this size is embarrassing.
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Correct Chris, it's pitiful. Not only that, most of them are scared of their own shadow. Is their another club in the world that does three-mile journeys on a fleet of coaches, so petrified are they of any contact with opposing fans?
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Dear oh dear, the obsessed " i believe all the hooligan books/stories" one is frothing at the mouth again. ::)
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Who was it said the 'gobby coward Villa fans would shit themselves if they bumped into b-lose' and who's 'tasty' mates were scared to go to the Sty? By the way, have you informed your mates yet about events that night? Funny how it turned out in the end wasn't it? Not what your imaginary friends expected at all.
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I didn't go, but the people i have spoke with that went said they stayed with the Villa fans for an hour or so at the ground afterwards before getting escorted through Digbeth.
You really like all the sad posturing by the sounds of things. I'm amazed you find time to sell H&V, with all the hooliganism going on.
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Dear oh dear, the obsessed " i believe all the hooligan books/stories" one is frothing at the mouth again. ::)
Stop pretending to be a Villa and go back to the Sty.
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I didn't go, but the people i have spoke with that went said they stayed with the Villa fans for an hour or so at the ground afterwards before getting escorted through Digbeth.
You really like all the sad posturing by the sounds of things. I'm amazed you find time to sell H&V, with all the hooliganism going on.
Honestly, you're not convincing anyone.
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Yawwwwn. Obviously you believe what your 'mate' Percy has put about, and that is your perogative. Maybe He really believes i'm someone he knows, i really don't know, but i don't know him and that's the truth. If people on here choose to believe i'm a blues fan there really is nothing i can do about it unfortunately.
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Which hooligan book tells the story of the notorious desperadoes so scared of public transport they will only travel to the home of their local rivals by official coach? Doesn't sound very good.
'It was the day of the big game
and I was buzzing. Mom had left me an outfit to wear and ran me a bath. Making good use of the soap, I hid my 2-carat gold bollocks on a chain up my arse - I didn't want to get sussed out until I was ready. I plotted up in the kitchen away from the prying eyes of the OB who were crawling all over the lounge - my brother is a special constable. Taxi to the Sty as I didn't want to get on any buses or trains today - those Villa bastards have got spotters everywhere, even in the staunchest nose areas since they won the European Cup. As if to prove my point, we spotted a big firm of Vilers in the Macdonalds just down the road from the Sty. A few of our big dogs were straining at the leash to get stuck into them but there were too many of them and it would have been a suicide mission - it was a birthday party. Clever bastards. All the firm was there as the coaches arrived. No colours on show, we didn't want the gobby cowards to shit themselves as soon as they bumped into anyone. Them that is, not us. The OB were there in force, s
ome of us tried to shake them by hiding in the coach toilets but they were wise to it. Heads down as we drove past Vile Park, no singing - we didn't want it coming on top til we could really do some damage. We slipped silently into the ground having negotiated the thirty yard trek from the coach park. So far it had gone like a military operation, albeit an Italian one. I was about to flick the V's at one of Vile's top boys but next time I get nicked I'm going away for a very long time, and anyway, he was with his dad. I took my seat and felt the pain of my b-lose badge dig me in the arse. I must have shit myself a bit when I saw how far it was from the coach park to the ground. I scanned the crowd to pick out a victim for later, and made eye contact with a Viler in the family stand. This was my moment - I drew back my hand and with my index finger made the best, most threatening cut-throat gesture ever. And in that one mad moment I didn't give a fuck that she was with her husband.
We lost, of course.'
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Anyway it probably should be all red from all the midland plastic mancs and bindippers
Birmingham must have one of the highest rates of gloryhunting out of the major cities.
Does anyone in Aston actually support Villa?
And does anyone in Small Heath actually support Blues?
I do know people in Aston who support the Villa and Small Heath who support Small Heath however I agree with both of you mainly people in these two boroughs are f in glory hunting wankers.
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Which hooligan book tells the story of the notorious desperadoes so scared of public transport they will only travel to the home of their local rivals by official coach? Doesn't sound very good.
'It was the day of the big game
and I was buzzing. Mom had left me an outfit to wear and ran me a bath. Making good use of the soap, I hid my 2-carat gold bollocks on a chain up my arse - I didn't want to get sussed out until I was ready. Taxi to the Sty as I didn't want to get on any buses or trains today - those Villa bastards have got spotters everywhere, even in the staunchest nose areas since they won the European Cup. All the firm was there as the coaches arrived. No colours on show, we didn't want to give ourselves away until the time was right. The OB were there in force, some of us tried to shake them by hiding in the coach toilets but they were wise to it. Heads down as we drove past the Vile ground, no singing - we didn't want it coming on top til we could really do some damage. We slipped silently into the ground having negotiated the thirty yard trek from the coach park. I was about to flick the V's at one of Vile's top boys but next time I get nicked I'm going away for a very long time, and anyway, he was with his dad. I took my seat and felt the pain of my b-lose badge dig me in the arse. I must have shit myself a bit when I saw how far it was from the coach park to the ground. I scanned the crowd to pick out a victim for later, and made eye contact with a Viler in the family stand. This was my moment - I drew back my hand and with my index finger made the best, most threatening cut-throat gesture ever. And in that one mad moment I didn't give a fuck that she was with her husband.
We lost, of course.'
Crazy! ::)
I don't read those bull**it hooligan books, they don't interest me. Full of made up tales of amazing bravery in the face of total cowardice. Hope you enjoy the new one out by the Norwich naughty tweety pies, it'll probably have you creaming your new superman boxer shorts by the time you've finished the first paragraph.
Sad sad sad boy!
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I know we like to be fair minded but their support, home and away, for a city of this size is embarrassing.
Surely you could level the same accusation at us.
For a city of this size, we should have bigger support than the likes of Everton, Man City, Leeds, Newcastle and Sunderland.
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Oh God, here's the other one. Does anyone else miss Sheldon nose or whatever his name was?
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Sits back, opens king-size tub of popcorn...
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Keep a sharp eye on proceedings though as there is serious danger of fights breaking out here!
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Oh God, here's the other one. Does anyone else miss Sheldon nose or whatever his name was?
I'm a Villa fan ;)
Altogether now, My Old Man...
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I took her up the Prince Hal when she was seventeen.
The Prince Hal you say? Marvellous.
Never heard it called that before.
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Which hooligan book tells the story of the notorious desperadoes so scared of public transport they will only travel to the home of their local rivals by official coach? Doesn't sound very good.
'It was the day of the big game
and I was buzzing. Mom had left me an outfit to wear and ran me a bath. Making good use of the soap, I hid my 2-carat gold bollocks on a chain up my arse - I didn't want to get sussed out until I was ready.Taxi to the Sty as I didn't want to get on any buses or trains today - those Villa bastards have got spotters everywhere, even in the staunchest nose areas since they won the European Cup. All the firm was there as the coaches arrived. No colours on show, we didn't want the gobby cowards to shit themselves as soon as they bumped into anyone. Them that is, not us. The OB were there in force, some of us tried to shake them by hiding in the coach toilets but they were wise to it. Heads down as we drove past the Vile ground, no singing - we didn't want it coming on top til we could really do some damage. We slipped silently into the ground having negotiated the thirty yard trek from the coach park. I was about to flick the V's at one of Vile's top boys but next time I get nicked I'm going away for a very long time, and anyway, he was with his dad. I took my seat and felt the pain of my b-lose badge dig me in the arse. I must have shit myself a bit when I saw how far it was from the coach park to the ground. I scanned the crowd to pick out a victim for later, and made eye contact with a Viler in the family stand. This was my moment - I drew back my hand and with my index finger made the best, most threatening cut-throat gesture ever. And in that one mad moment I didn't give a fuck that she was with her husband.
We lost, of course.'
Hilarious.
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I took her up the Prince Hal when she was seventeen.
The Prince Hal you say? Marvellous.
Never heard it called that before.
Yet another contender for post of the year!
Very funny sir.
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It's not a euphemism.
That would have been when she was sixteen.
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Fergal made the joke first in any case!
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until I took her up the Prince Hal when she was seventeen.
Please tell me this is a euphemism!
*Edit* darn, too late!
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Hilarious Percy.
With regard to the question,the vast majority of the puppy shite devil's spawn will be supporting us by the time the evil mastermind agent Carson has finished his master plan,and they're playing Telford in their new derby circa 2020.
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My old man reckons a lot of the staunch nose areas of the 70's gradually spawned lots of Villa youngsters when we won the European cup and the League which has led to them being pretty equal now.
Growing up in a Castle Brom, a lot of Villa Fans I knew had Nose dads.
Come to think of it, i'm not sure we should be admitting to this, as accusations of glory hunting could be thrown back at us!
Their dads were usually the kind of fat bigoted idiots that even their own children wouldn't want to spend time with. That's why they came down the Villa with us.
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Never met any BN up here, but I was born and brought up in Shirley which was staunch BN territory.
But the Premiership years have blurred all the traditional football boundaries I suspect.
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Most of the noses I know try and align themselves as the Everton / Man City (pre-ŁŁŁŁ) type club from Birmingham. The fact is we are that club and Liverpool / Manchester doesn't have a Birmingham City sized club, just like Birmingham doesn't have a Liverpool / Man Utd sized club.
The only stronghold they have is the corridor along the Cov rd. North and West Birmingham are mostly Villa and everywhere else is pretty mixed - including the satellite towns (Tamworth, Redditch, Bromsgrove,Lichfield etc..).
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I lived in Bromsgrove for all of the 80s and back then it was more Villa than anyone else. There were a few noses and Albion fans as well as the usual mix of Liverpool/Manure fans. I doubt the small heath percentage has climbed much since then, although I bet the glory hunter one has.
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If you go back far enough you would find that The Villa support came from far and wide, certainly all the Countys that surrounded Birmingham, those that will rmember the serpentine car park filled with coaches and the streets around the ground filled with cars full of people from all over the Midlands. There are still remnants of that support via THe Lions Clubs, the other lot do not have anything like that appeal outside of specific areas of Birmingham.
I have allways thought it a pity that the Club for many years has failed to develope this fan base. What is shocking is the fact that many Villa supporting Dads from the outllying areas end up buying thier kids Manure and Chelsea shirts
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If you go back far enough you would find that The Villa support came from far and wide, certainly all the Countys that surrounded Birmingham, those that will rmember the serpentine car park filled with coaches and the streets around the ground filled with cars full of people from all over the Midlands. There are still remnants of that support via THe Lions Clubs, the other lot do not have anything like that appeal outside of specific areas of Birmingham.
I have allways thought it a pity that the Club for many years has failed to develope this fan base. What is shocking is the fact that many Villa supporting Dads from the outllying areas end up buying thier kids Manure and Chelsea shirts
I am an old fart too and you are right that our appeal (and support) historically stretches further afield around the midlands, much like our peer clubs Everton and Man City in the North West - I was addressing the specific point about support in and around the city of Birmingham.
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I took her up the Prince Hal when she was seventeen.
The Prince Hal you say? Marvellous.
Never heard it called that before.
Ha! Ha!
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Earl Liburd says hello Daz.
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One of the more realistic posters on SHA reckons they draw their support almost exclusively from an area the size of Blackburn in the bottom right-hand corner of Brum, which, he says, explains why they get crowds similar to t'Rovers.
So what your saying is that Birmingham City struggle to draw support from most of Birmingham?
I don't understand how Blackburn get crowds of 20,000+ when the Blackburn with Darwen borough has a population of only 140,000.
Compare this to Birmingham with a population of around 1,000,000 and the two clubs in the city get combined crowds of around 60,000.
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One of the more realistic posters on SHA reckons they draw their support almost exclusively from an area the size of Blackburn in the bottom right-hand corner of Brum, which, he says, explains why they get crowds similar to t'Rovers.
So what your saying is that Birmingham City struggle to draw support from most of Birmingham?
I don't understand how Blackburn get crowds of 20,000+ when the Blackburn with Darwen borough has a population of only 140,000.
Compare this to Birmingham with a population of around 1,000,000 and the two clubs in the city get combined crowds of around 60,000.
Why are you replying to posts made almost a month ago in moribund, pointless threads, which you yourself started?
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One of the more realistic posters on SHA reckons they draw their support almost exclusively from an area the size of Blackburn in the bottom right-hand corner of Brum, which, he says, explains why they get crowds similar to t'Rovers.
So what your saying is that Birmingham City struggle to draw support from most of Birmingham?
I don't understand how Blackburn get crowds of 20,000+ when the Blackburn with Darwen borough has a population of only 140,000.
Compare this to Birmingham with a population of around 1,000,000 and the two clubs in the city get combined crowds of around 60,000.
Why are you replying to posts made almost a month ago in moribund, pointless threads, which you yourself started?
Proving my Villa credentials to the doubters.
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One of the more realistic posters on SHA reckons they draw their support almost exclusively from an area the size of Blackburn in the bottom right-hand corner of Brum, which, he says, explains why they get crowds similar to t'Rovers.
So what your saying is that Birmingham City struggle to draw support from most of Birmingham?
I don't understand how Blackburn get crowds of 20,000+ when the Blackburn with Darwen borough has a population of only 140,000.
Compare this to Birmingham with a population of around 1,000,000 and the two clubs in the city get combined crowds of around 60,000.
Why are you replying to posts made almost a month ago in moribund, pointless threads, which you yourself started?
Proving my Villa credentials to the doubters.
With a name that has the letters of 'Keep Right On' in, you'll have to live with the fact that some people think you're on a massive windup. I suggest a name change to 'I think Trevor Francis is a Massive ******' to really prove your credentials.
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One of the more realistic posters on SHA reckons they draw their support almost exclusively from an area the size of Blackburn in the bottom right-hand corner of Brum, which, he says, explains why they get crowds similar to t'Rovers.
So what your saying is that Birmingham City struggle to draw support from most of Birmingham?
I don't understand how Blackburn get crowds of 20,000+ when the Blackburn with Darwen borough has a population of only 140,000.
Compare this to Birmingham with a population of around 1,000,000 and the two clubs in the city get combined crowds of around 60,000.
Why are you replying to posts made almost a month ago in moribund, pointless threads, which you yourself started?
Proving my Villa credentials to the doubters.
Ok answer this, when did you stop beating your wife/sister?
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One of the more realistic posters on SHA reckons they draw their support almost exclusively from an area the size of Blackburn in the bottom right-hand corner of Brum, which, he says, explains why they get crowds similar to t'Rovers.
So what your saying is that Birmingham City struggle to draw support from most of Birmingham?
I don't understand how Blackburn get crowds of 20,000+ when the Blackburn with Darwen borough has a population of only 140,000.
Compare this to Birmingham with a population of around 1,000,000 and the two clubs in the city get combined crowds of around 60,000.
Why are you replying to posts made almost a month ago in moribund, pointless threads, which you yourself started?
Proving my Villa credentials to the doubters.
Try harder.
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One of the more realistic posters on SHA reckons they draw their support almost exclusively from an area the size of Blackburn in the bottom right-hand corner of Brum, which, he says, explains why they get crowds similar to t'Rovers.
So what your saying is that Birmingham City struggle to draw support from most of Birmingham?
I don't understand how Blackburn get crowds of 20,000+ when the Blackburn with Darwen borough has a population of only 140,000.
Compare this to Birmingham with a population of around 1,000,000 and the two clubs in the city get combined crowds of around 60,000.
Why are you replying to posts made almost a month ago in moribund, pointless threads, which you yourself started?
Proving my Villa credentials to the doubters.
With a name that has the letters of 'Keep Right On' in, you'll have to live with the fact that some people think you're on a massive windup. I suggest a name change to 'I think Trevor Francis is a Massive c***' to really prove your credentials.
Blame the moderators for that.
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Blame the moderators for that.
Ahahaha. What were you called before they changed it? This is why I love H&V.
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Blame the moderators for that.
Ahahaha. What were you called before they changed it? This is why I love H&V.
It is so sad, he actually wants to be a Villa Fan but he cant quite make that jump, the way this usually ends is that he posts a statement declaring his complete love for that nasty little club and coming out with the usual SOTV KRO we are the only club in Birmingham rubbish.
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Blame the moderators for that.
Ahahaha. What were you called before they changed it? This is why I love H&V.
TRS-T
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One of the more realistic posters on SHA reckons they draw their support almost exclusively from an area the size of Blackburn in the bottom right-hand corner of Brum, which, he says, explains why they get crowds similar to t'Rovers.
So what your saying is that Birmingham City struggle to draw support from most of Birmingham?
I don't understand how Blackburn get crowds of 20,000+ when the Blackburn with Darwen borough has a population of only 140,000.
Compare this to Birmingham with a population of around 1,000,000 and the two clubs in the city get combined crowds of around 60,000.
Why are you replying to posts made almost a month ago in moribund, pointless threads, which you yourself started?
Proving my Villa credentials to the doubters.
Ok answer this, when did you stop beating your wife/sister?
Is beating the right word, foreplay would have been more apt.
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The Birmingham Mail should do one of these:
Manchester derby map: MEN survey reveals where City and United fans really come from (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/s/1492123_manchester-derby-map-men-survey-reveals-where-city-and-united-fans-really-come-from?order=replies#comments)
Could even include Albion and Wolves.
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Waste of time mate, it's a well established fact that there are no Villa fans in Birmingham.
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Earl Liburd says hello Daz.
Missed this! Say hello back!
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I live in Solihull and I thought that was mainly blues. Obviously not any more, I haven't seen or heard from one for days.
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Shame they didn't do this 2 years ago when Villa, Blues, Albion and Wolves were all in the Premier League.
Twitter map finally reveals exactly where Manchester United fans live (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9795377/Twitter-map-finally-reveals-exactly-where-Manchester-United-fans-live.html?fb)
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It proves the square root of fuck all.
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Shame they didn't do this 2 years ago when Villa, Blues, Albion and Wolves were all in the Premier League.
Twitter map finally reveals exactly where Manchester United fans live (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9795377/Twitter-map-finally-reveals-exactly-where-Manchester-United-fans-live.html?fb)
Hardly conclusive, seeing as it's just made up of Twitter users. For instance - I doubt there's more Manchester City fans in Solihull than there are Villa, just as I doubt there's more Albion fans in Solihull than there are Blues.
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Stratford has a blues pub but to my knowledge no villa pub :(
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Stratford has a blues pub but to my knowledge no villa pub :(
Is it still there? I think I went in there once, about 12 years ago or something.
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Stratford has a blues pub but to my knowledge no villa pub :(
Is it still there? I think I went in there once, about 12 years ago or something.
The Cross Keys, yes.
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There's a particular establishment in Winson Green thats predominantly Blues.
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Northfield is disgusting. Blue nose scum.
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Plenty of Villa in Northfield. My experiences of there is that at best for small heath it's 50/50.
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The blues areas are the ones where you can't move around the local shops for noses proudly wearing their shirts while their team is playing at home a few miles down the road.
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Lagos is definitely Villa.
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My flat is Villa as well
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The blues areas are the ones where you can't move around the local shops for noses proudly wearing their shirts while their team is playing at home a few miles down the road.
Yes, Northfield Saturday just gone while they are averagaing 17,000 home gates (a fair bit of which is made up of away fans).
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The only area in the greater midlands region outside the city of Brum where they are a fair few noses is Solihull, otherwise they don't really exist outside the city. That's not to say within the city there are more of them than Villa, their gates reflect the fact that there are just not that many of them anywhere, but those that do exist are predominantly in south Brum and Solihull. There are plenty of Villa fans in working class areas of Brum, but there are also plenty of Villa fans in middle class areas of Brum, Solihull, Warks, Worcs etc, whereas i think Blose are fairly restricted to more working class areas within the city imo.
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I was brought up in Handsworth Wood,which was a split between us and the Albion,but that was through the 70`s.
Great Barr now,by the Horns,which has a fair few noses around.
There`s a mixture of us,noses and Albion in most of the boozers around here.
There will always be more of us than any of them,but that`s just because it`s the way it is.
Bigger clubs always have more fans !
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Places like Redditch and Tamworth have a fair number of Noses. I grew up in Rubery where they used to have have more than us, including a few real head cases, particularly late 70s, early 80s.
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Well... I'm a cartographer/designer who has put together a map for the Green Bus Company showing the spread of Villa fans (season ticket holders and 'frequent attendees'). Seems like the epicentre of support is Kingstanding/Erdington/Walmley, unsurprising to anyone from those areas….
Incidentally, I have done the same exercise for Blues (season ticket holders only)… their 'epicentre' is Chelmsley Wood/Olton/Solihull. Perhaps I should superimpose the two and create a 'where it's most likely to kick off' map…..
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Growing up in Selly Oak in the 1950/60s, there were as many Wolves fans around as any other club.
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Living, drinking and spending a fair chunk of work time in what has been deemed the epicentre of bluenosedom I can confirm I know loads of noses. A total of five of them have season tickets. Another three have season tickets when they are in the top flight but do not go at all when this is not the case. As far as the rest of them go I would seriously need to look up the exact definition of 'occasional' before I decided they were worthy of that description.
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I can say that South Africa is split, 70% Red scum, 20 % Liverpool.
Then the rest of us.
We had a villa fan club in the 90,s it could still be going ?
I have only met three noses in Thirty Years, Two of them were not bad guys and we became mates, that was many years ago.
They went back to the U.K
Reccently I heard a Nasal drone in my Local commenting on my sons European cup Winners shirt.
I introduced my self and gave him a potted History of our relative fortunes.
I also tossed in a few anecdotes of my memories of conflicts in the late 70,s . He is now my Pet Bluenose.
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My mate at work is an old Blues thug, me and him regale the young uns with memories of conflicts in the late seventies/eighties. Of course, neither of us ever ran, nosireebob.
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I think the split is pretty acurate, I also think that we are more likely to attend a match as Villa supporters (see gates), even when the team are doing shite. All the noses I know - Never go to a match (unless they are in Europe - once every fifty years or so).
I think there is a hard core of noses that share a taxi to the Sty regularly whilst the rest just stay at home and see how we are doing. Their existence appears to be solely designed around despising the Villa in order to gloat when we lose and stay silent when we don't whilst not really supporting thier own team unless they are playing us.
I really hope we are not playing in the same league as them next season as they will be the only two games they will be up for and there is nothing remotely friendly in banter with a nose. Nothing at all.
I have friends that are noses but we never discuss football. Ever.
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Incidentally, I have done the same exercise for Blues (season ticket holders only)… their 'epicentre' is Chelmsley Wood/Olton/Solihull. Perhaps I should superimpose the two and create a 'where it's most likely to kick off' map…..
Whaaat? You mean none of their three stongholds are actually in Birmingham?
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Fantastic user name, Gage Against The Machine, excellent stuff.
I think the most telling thing about Blues is to walk around Touchwood while they're playing at home, and see how many Blues shirts you spot.
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I was brought up in Handsworth Wood,which was a split between us and the Albion,but that was through the 70`s.
Great Barr now,by the Horns,which has a fair few noses around.There`s a mixture of us,noses and Albion in most of the boozers around here.
There will always be more of us than any of them,but that`s just because it`s the way it is.
Bigger clubs always have more fans !
Really? I work in that area and the only shirts I ever see around there are Villa shirts. It's actually quite reassuring to see so many of the youngsters round there wearing Villa shirts and not the obligatory Man Utd / Chelsea / Barcelona you see in other areas. I can't recall seeing too many Albion or Blues shirts though.
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Out in the streets you will see far more Villa kids than fans of any other teams,but go into the pubs and although no one likes to admit it,there are quite a few noses around .We`re not talking competition here.Simply more than people would have you believe.
The Cat n Fiddle has a mix of Villa /Blues.The Leap does,The Horns does.The Drum doesn`t.It`s predominantly Villa.
The Queslett has Villa and Albion.The Foley seems to be a mixture of all 3,although the gaffa`s fella and his mates are all Albion.
This is just my impression in the 20 odd years I`ve lived and drunk round here.
If you checked out all the car stickers round this neck of the woods,obviously you`d think it was pure Villa,but there are undoubtedly noses around.Mind you they are quite easily recognised by their webbed hands that drag along the floor behind them and the sirens sounding in the distance.
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I was born and raised in Kingstanding and went to most of the pubs around that area after they tore the Charlie down. I can honestly say I never knew one nose who drank in any of them (not one that would let it be known anyway). Plenty of stripey's, but not a nose.
Noses drinking in the Fiddle? ... My how times change.
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Growing up in Selly Oak in the 1950/60s, there were as many Wolves fans around as any other club.
Selly oak is now just a ghost town, full of Students in rented housing, i`m prepared to bet theres more Man u "Fans" than any local club around there, just look in the local pubs when theyre on telly - rammed.
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I would have thought that Yardley is the only real Nose stronghold in Brum. I've never met a Villa fan from Yardley. Its like being a pilgrim in an unholy land.
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Well... I'm a cartographer/designer who has put together a map for the Green Bus Company showing the spread of Villa fans (season ticket holders and 'frequent attendees'). Seems like the epicentre of support is Kingstanding/Erdington/Walmley, unsurprising to anyone from those areas….
Incidentally, I have done the same exercise for Blues (season ticket holders only)… their 'epicentre' is Chelmsley Wood/Olton/Solihull. Perhaps I should superimpose the two and create a 'where it's most likely to kick off' map…..
Which makes the suggestion that the Blues are the team of the working class in Birmingham all the more ridiculous.
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I would have thought that Yardley is the only real Nose stronghold in Brum. I've never met a Villa fan from Yardley. Its like being a pilgrim in an unholy land.
*bing bong* CDVilla to the thread, please.
My Dad's family were all from Yardley and all Villa as well. Speaking to my mate who's from Yardley, he reckons there's as many Villa as Blues there, and he's a dogshitter.
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I would have thought that Yardley is the only real Nose stronghold in Brum. I've never met a Villa fan from Yardley. Its like being a pilgrim in an unholy land.
There's a few Villa here. The Noses are all of the take the piss when Villa lose but hadn't realised Small Heath were playing this weekend variety.
They used to show Villa games on a dodgy stream in the Yew Tree pub.
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If some kind soul could enlighten me as to how to upload a chuffin image I'll will post both the 'Birmingham Map of Villa fans' and the 'Solihull Map of Noses' as they shall be known from here on in. They are based on the actual match attendees (ST and regular attendees for Villa and just ST for Blues) from the clubs' databases rather than 'where the bloke talking shite down the pub* type fan lives'. So it's pretty definitive. The images are © The Green Bus Company, in case I get my legs smacked.
* As an exile now in Edinburgh, ahem, I fall into this category.... The last year I had a ST, 09/10, we were quite good... I trust this is still the case?
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Chuck them on here (http://imgur.com/) and post the link they give you with the /IMG tags
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Here you go, myth busted.
(http://i.imgur.com/Zi9sw3t.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OSBGYDJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/mraOfYI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/h5KNP0o.jpg)
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Growing up in Selly Oak in the 1950/60s, there were as many Wolves fans around as any other club.
Selly oak is now just a ghost town, full of Students in rented housing, i`m prepared to bet theres more Man u "Fans" than any local club around there, just look in the local pubs when theyre on telly - rammed.
I lived on Dawlish Road while I was a student at Brum Uni in the early 90s. That year they won their first title in 20 odd years you couldn't move for Man U fans. A lot were students of course, but there was a disgusting amount of Brummie Reds as well. I'd rather be a Nose than one of them to be honest.
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Growing up in Selly Oak in the 1950/60s, there were as many Wolves fans around as any other club.
Selly oak is now just a ghost town, full of Students in rented housing, i`m prepared to bet theres more Man u "Fans" than any local club around there, just look in the local pubs when theyre on telly - rammed.
I lived on Dawlish Road while I was a student at Brum Uni in the early 90s. That year they won their first title in 20 odd years you couldn't move for Man U fans. A lot were students of course, but there was a disgusting amount of Brummie Reds as well. I'd rather be a Nose than one of them to be honest.
So would I.
I'd rather ny kids grew up supporting Small Heath than see them stoop so low as to shed all their self respect and latch on to Man United.
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What I like in those maps are the number of central areas which are totally free of noses.
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What I like in those maps are the number of central areas which are totally free of noses.
Indeed. West and north west of the Sty, I do wonder if they could fill a taxi between them. Those areas where the Noses live are mainly struggling to get a Birmingham postcode. Maybe, years ago when their former chairman came up with the idea merging with Coventry, it was actually a decent plan.
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Growing up in Selly Oak in the 1950/60s, there were as many Wolves fans around as any other club.
Selly oak is now just a ghost town, full of Students in rented housing, i`m prepared to bet theres more Man u "Fans" than any local club around there, just look in the local pubs when theyre on telly - rammed.
I lived on Dawlish Road while I was a student at Brum Uni in the early 90s. That year they won their first title in 20 odd years you couldn't move for Man U fans. A lot were students of course, but there was a disgusting amount of Brummie Reds as well. I'd rather be a Nose than one of them to be honest.
'Brummie Reds' are Bluenoses in disguise anyway. Mention Villa to them and watch them bite.
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I have witnessed a brummie red and a nose team up to have a verbal pop at the Villa a number of times. It amuses me that the nose always thinks it shows how much everyone hates Villa but never questions why the brummie red doesn't have any feelings one way or the other about Small Heath.
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Growing up in Selly Oak in the 1950/60s, there were as many Wolves fans around as any other club.
Selly oak is now just a ghost town, full of Students in rented housing, i`m prepared to bet theres more Man u "Fans" than any local club around there, just look in the local pubs when theyre on telly - rammed.
I lived on Dawlish Road while I was a student at Brum Uni in the early 90s. That year they won their first title in 20 odd years you couldn't move for Man U fans. A lot were students of course, but there was a disgusting amount of Brummie Reds as well. I'd rather be a Nose than one of them to be honest.
'Brummie Reds' are Bluenoses in disguise anyway. Mention Villa to them and watch them bite.
If true it shows them up for what they really are. If they are genuine Manu fans they must find it quite annoying to be associated with them. A win win situation really so must remember to harbour the point given the chance in any future meeting with one.
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Interesting maps Gage. Thanks for posting. As you say 'myth busted' and plenty of ammo for next time a nose comes out with the usual crap.
Shame I can't zoom in on the big ones a bit more.
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The whole world is Claret and Blue and full of Villa, so there.
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Isn't the map a bit unfair as it's only season ticket holders for them, while ours also includes regular attendees?
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Is it likely that they are going to have a lot of regular attendees from areas where they don't have ST holders?
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Isn't the map a bit unfair as it's only season ticket holders for them, while ours also includes regular attendees?
Sure, the clubs wanted to show different sets of data so in terms of the total numbers it is 'biased' towards Villa. What they do do put side by side is serve well as a comparison of where the core support is though.
Is it likely that they are going to have a lot of regular attendees from areas where they don't have ST holders?
Possibly true too. Was separate in the Villa data but not separated for the map. Here's a theory, the more middle class, the more likely to be a 'only come to watch ManU', sorry 'regular attendee' they are...
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The main thing for me is support your local team. If ur from the midlands at least follow a midland club.
I live in the states so my american kids are villa but I still take them to follow the New England team which gives them that local 'Feel' although it's dire football. Believe me there's nothing worse than the hordes of yanks in their united,arse and red scouse tops every week in the pub. Talk about glory hunting, the bloke who approached me and the family yesterday in his arsenal top asking my son what he thought about Big sam's coaching?. "You've got the wrong claret and blue mate" I said. "We are Villa, the Originals"
Bewildered he went back to his mates to talk about the year 'we' were the invincibles. U couldn't make it up
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Seems like half the population of America "supports" Arsenal. Must be because they have the word "Gun" in their nickname.
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Shame they didn't do this 2 years ago when Villa, Blues, Albion and Wolves were all in the Premier League.
Twitter map finally reveals exactly where Manchester United fans live (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9795377/Twitter-map-finally-reveals-exactly-where-Manchester-United-fans-live.html?fb)
Looking at the 2 areas that I've lived in, B69 and DY2, I would say the results from that are a pile of "dog do"