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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: birdistheword on December 07, 2011, 09:46:53 PM
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First post here so don't know if it's in the correct place, if not my apologies.
My idea is for everyone attending the Liverpool game to take a lett "z" on a piece of paper to show how boring the football we are watching is. I feel this idea is more viable than a boycott and better than a protest.
Thoughts?
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Sounds like a good plan to me, welcome to the show!
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Thank you :)
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Cool idea.
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how about shouting "Come on you villa boys"? or something like that. You might as well, you're sitting there right?
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It might be better to take a collection of Z's say maybe three for example, Zzz. They could all go on the same piece of paper, no need for three seperate ones.
I feel a single Z maybe be misconstrued as a homage to the ever popular 60's/70's Merseyside drama serial Z Cars, whose theme tune is obviously the walk out song for Red scouses bitter rivals Everton.
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I'm taking a piece of paper with this on.
(http://images.wikia.com/men-in-black/images/0/0b/Zed.jpg)
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Why not just wear Liverpool scarves and be done with it?
"When you walk though a storm..."
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how about shouting "Come on you villa boys"? or something like that. You might as well, you're sitting there right?
Great idea, lets actually support the team for f**ks sake
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Thoughts?
Is that "Zee" or "Zed" ?
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Why not just wear Liverpool scarves and be done with it?
"When you walk though a storm..."
I remember the days when if we went a goal down the supporters would turn the volume up and get behind the team.
I know I'll probably get the "I pay my money, I can do what I like" brigade on my back. I haven't a problem with people moaning after a game or even before a game, but during the game we should be one voice supporting the team come what may.
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Thoughts?
Is that "Zee" or "Zed" ?
Zed's dead.
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You could turn the sign on it side to make an 'N' too. Put an N next to a Z and it will look like a tribute to our ever-popular French winger. Could we arrange for a batch of apostrophes to be brought to the game too?
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Everyone bring a different letter, we can play Scrabble if it gets boring.
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how about shouting "Come on you villa boys"? or something like that. You might as well, you're sitting there right?
Great idea, lets actually support the team for f**ks sake
We do support the team but we wont support the style of play that is being shoved back at us for F**ks sake
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I'm going to bring a massive "I", symbolising that "I am willing to have a bit of a cheer if things are going well but reserve the right to have a bit of a whinge if we are doing badly. Oh yes, I also intend to give that twat Downing shitloads of abuse. Oh, its a bit cold today isn't it? Can't wait to get to the pub".
I vote we all bring "I"'s to the game so that the authorities will have no choice but to finally listen to our voice.
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Everyone bring a different letter, we can play Scrabble if it gets boring.
Can I have a "P" please Bob ?
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For those that can't be arsed to actually turn up, can we still join in at home ?
Maybe hold the letter up in front of the telly,
sitting down obviously
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Everyone bring a different letter, we can play Scrabble when it gets boring.
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I'd much rather we pull together than be so negative towards the team. AM will not be getting the sack anytine soon, like it or not so, its best we try and get behind the team.
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Everyone bring a different letter, we can play Scrabble when it gets boring.
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Ha ha ha.
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Seems no one cares but here is a link just in case... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Take-a-letter-Z-to-Liverpool/274677719250327
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Seems no one cares but here is a link just in case... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Take-a-letter-Z-to-Liverpool/274677719250327
"1 likes this"
It's not exactly the Arab Spring, is it?
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Seems no one cares but here is a link just in case... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Take-a-letter-Z-to-Liverpool/274677719250327
"1 likes this"
It's not exactly the Arab Spring, is it?
ridiculous fool! support the team !
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I'd much rather we pull together than be so negative towards the team. AM will not be getting the sack anytine soon, like it or not so, its best we try and get behind the team.
Im sorry but if McLeish continues to be negative then thats what your going to get from the fans. I think most fans except that weve lost good players that we cant replace with money that we dont have and the fact that we cant compete for the top 6 places.
But what we cant accept is not having a go and players hoofing the ball aimlessly up the pitch. I dont want to spend my every match day knowing were not going to compete. The fact that were on TV against Bristol rovers just shows where we are currently.
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I'd much rather we pull together than be so negative towards the team. AM will not be getting the sack anytine soon, like it or not so, its best we try and get behind the team.
Im sorry but if McLeish continues to be negative then thats what your going to get from the fans. I think most fans except that weve lost good players that we cant replace with money that we dont have and the fact that we cant compete for the top 6 places.
But what we cant accept is not having a go and players hoofing the ball aimlessly up the pitch. I dont want to spend my every match day knowing were not going to compete. The fact that were on TV against Bristol rovers just shows where we are currently.
so after you put all the factors together like you have, it is going to do what to the remaining players to boo?? dont get it my self. i am with andy aston here big time!
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Must admit i was a bit disappointed to find this thread wasn't about a new designer drug designed to counterbalance the effects of watching an AM side away.
Carry on.
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Thoughts?
Is that "Zee" or "Zed" ?
Zed's dead.
Who's chopper is this?
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We should unfurl a massive banner of Downing on crutches when he arrived to sign for us.
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We should unfurl a massive banner of Downing on crutches when he arrived to sign for us.
hows about taking £ signs and upsetting one of THEIR players and not one of ours!
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Myself and ADVILLAFAN have our banners ready for the game.
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/cdvillafan/father-ted-careful-now.jpg)
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Myself and ADVILLAFAN have our banners ready for the game.
(http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt255/cdvillafan/father-ted-careful-now.jpg)
*stops stopwatch*
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I'd much rather we pull together than be so negative towards the team. AM will not be getting the sack anytine soon, like it or not so, its best we try and get behind the team.
Im sorry but if McLeish continues to be negative then thats what your going to get from the fans. I think most fans except that weve lost good players that we cant replace with money that we dont have and the fact that we cant compete for the top 6 places.
But what we cant accept is not having a go and players hoofing the ball aimlessly up the pitch. I dont want to spend my every match day knowing were not going to compete. The fact that were on TV against Bristol rovers just shows where we are currently.
so after you put all the factors together like you have, it is going to do what to the remaining players to boo?? dont get it my self. i am with andy aston here big time!
Who said anything about booing? my reply was referring to to the post about fans being negative I dont boo at games, although the z idea was quite novel and maybe would be an acceptable view of demonstrating we wont accept McLeish anti football
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I am gonna be too busy calling Downing a c**t to play with letters.
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I will be too busy throwing my own feces at Dxwning. I think we should be holding up @'s ?'s %'s and !'s because that's all I ever say at the tele anyways.
what the #!%@.
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Everyone bring a different letter, we can play Scrabble if it gets boring.
Or Countdown - 10,000 consonants please, 3,000 vowels, 2,000 consonants...
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Thoughts?
Is that "Zee" or "Zed" ?
or Ze
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Why not use numbers, and try to come up with some kind of playing combinations/substitutions based on Sudoku?
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Everyone bring a different letter, we can play Scrabble if it gets boring.
Or Countdown - 10,000 consonants please, 3,000 vowels, 2,000 consonants...
Number round would be good.
"One from the top, and 42,587 from the bottom please, Rachel"
Oooh, Rachel Riley / bottom thoughts.
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We should unfurl a massive banner of Downing on crutches when he arrived to sign for us.
hows about taking £ signs and upsetting one of THEIR players and not one of ours!
Yep, I'm sure reminding Downing of how much more money he's earning now will really hurt his feelings.
Why don't we also hold up posters of his extremely attractive girlfriend to remind him who he's going to have sex with later that night? That'll learn him.
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I'd much rather we pull together than be so negative towards the team. AM will not be getting the sack anytine soon, like it or not so, its best we try and get behind the team.
Im sorry but if McLeish continues to be negative then thats what your going to get from the fans. I think most fans except that weve lost good players that we cant replace with money that we dont have and the fact that we cant compete for the top 6 places.
But what we cant accept is not having a go and players hoofing the ball aimlessly up the pitch. I dont want to spend my every match day knowing were not going to compete. The fact that were on TV against Bristol rovers just shows where we are currently.
so after you put all the factors together like you have, it is going to do what to the remaining players to boo?? dont get it my self. i am with andy aston here big time!
Me too rutski.
I just can't fathom people out at times. They don't like the manager (haven't a problem with that) but to take it out on the team! It's got to have a detrimental effect.
It's a clear case of "Cutting your nose off to spite your face"
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How's it going to have a detrimental effect on the team/performance? We can't really get much worse unless they start purposely scoring own goals or laying on chances for the other team.
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I think it's a great idea.
We should put Zs on balloons and chuck them on the pitch.
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I'm just going to plant bombs inside tins of Alphabetti Spaghetti.
It could spell trouble.
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I think it's a great idea.
We should put Zs on balloons and chuck them on the pitch.
That would just look like the players were warming up though.
Reckon we are better off just supporting the team myself.
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I'd much rather we pull together than be so negative towards the team. AM will not be getting the sack anytine soon, like it or not so, its best we try and get behind the team.
The fact that were on TV against Bristol rovers just shows where we are currently.
We were on TV against Gillingham when we were going for the top 4.
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I will try and get behind the team. I was a bit negative against Manure I must admit.
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Everyone bring a different letter, we can play Scrabble if it gets boring.
PMSL!!
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I know, why dont we shout "OLE" from the beginning everytime they pass the ball successfully to a team mate and BOO everytime the ball is lumped up field (long ball)?
Maybe then they will realise we want them to get the ball down and play football instead of lumping it up to Bent and making him look shite?
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I know, why dont we shout "OLE" from the beginning everytime they pass the ball successfully to a team mate and BOO everytime the ball is lumped up field (long ball)?
Maybe then they will realise we want them to get the ball down and play football instead of lumping it up to Bent and making him look shite?
Is a brilliant suggestion.
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I know, why dont we shout "OLE" from the beginning everytime they pass the ball successfully to a team mate and BOO everytime the ball is lumped up field (long ball)?
Maybe then they will realise we want them to get the ball down and play football instead of lumping it up to Bent and making him look shite?
Is a brilliant suggestion.
Thanks! :D
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I'm going in my PJs
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I know, why dont we shout "OLE" from the beginning everytime they pass the ball successfully to a team mate and BOO everytime the ball is lumped up field (long ball)?
Maybe then they will realise we want them to get the ball down and play football instead of lumping it up to Bent and making him look shite?
This.
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Its Downing's Birthday on Sunday, how about we organize something for it?
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu7nprjYjT1qau7jgo1_500.png)
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zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Anything to put pressure on RL to get rid of AM has to be a good thing.
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How's it going to have a detrimental effect on the team/performance? We can't really get much worse unless they start purposely scoring own goals or laying on chances for the other team.
Of course it will effect team performance. If a player thinks he's going to get moaned at for losing the ball he'll take the easy option.
In any walk of life if a person is encouraged to do a better job they will rise to the occasion, if they are moaned at they'll just do a job.
Mark Albrighton is a classic example, last season he attacked every fullback in front of him, if he lost the ball the crowd got behind him and cheered him on. Next time he got the ball he attacked the full back again.... and again.
This season he's struggled for form and his confidence is low and is not getting the same backing. It's now he needs the crowd to get behind him. On Saturday he attacked the fullback and his cross wasn't that good, you heard the crowd have a groan and moan. The next time he had the ball he held back and passed inside and the attacking initiative had gone.
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Anything to put pressure on RL to get rid of AM has to be a good thing.
yep agreed it will happen just a matter of time
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How's it going to have a detrimental effect on the team/performance? We can't really get much worse unless they start purposely scoring own goals or laying on chances for the other team.
Of course it will effect team performance. If a player thinks he's going to get moaned at for losing the ball he'll take the easy option.
In any walk of life if a person is encouraged to do a better job they will rise to the occasion, if they are moaned at they'll just do a job.
Mark Albrighton is a classic example, last season he attacked every fullback in front of him, if he lost the ball the crowd got behind him and cheered him on. Next time he got the ball he attacked the full back again.... and again.
This season he's struggled for form and his confidence is low and is not getting the same backing. It's now he needs the crowd to get behind him. On Saturday he attacked the fullback and his cross wasn't that good, you heard the crowd have a groan and moan. The next time he had the ball he held back and passed inside and the attacking initiative had gone.
This is right, confidence is a big factor in all sports anything negative can knock this. If people want to boo they have every right to but, do it after the match has finished.
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On Saturday he attacked the fullback and his cross wasn't that good, you heard the crowd have a groan and moan. The next time he had the ball he held back and passed inside and the attacking initiative had gone.
You're probably right, but I'd point out that our forwards were doing this against both Spurs and Swansea in the games before Man U. As much as it's confidence, I think it's negative tactics just as much.
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I will always support a protest if it's warranted. If you meekly accept being served up shit, you will always get served up shit, and you will deserve it. Sometimes you have let the "rational consumer" overrule the "loyal supporter". It should not affect professionals being paid ludicrous amounts of money, and if it does, well sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.
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It should not affect professionals being paid ludicrous amounts of money, and if it does, well sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.
I usually buy the "booing them dosent make them play any better" argument, but the fans could have booed the team for 90 minutes against Spurs and I don't think it could possibly have made them play any worse.
At what point do you stand up and tell the manager and players thet they are serving us up with shit?
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It should not affect professionals being paid ludicrous amounts of money, and if it does, well sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.
I usually buy the "booing them dosent make them play any better" argument, but the fans could have booed the team for 90 minutes against Spurs and I don't think it could possibly have made them play any worse.
At what point do you stand up and tell the manager and players thet they are serving us up with shit?
Playing devils advocate, at what point do you think he already realised that it is shit? He has to, he isn't stupid. I'm afraid we are stuck with it.
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Don't go just to be negative
Just do what I do and don't go, it will hurt them more
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Don't go just to be negative
Just do what I do and don't go, it will hurt them more
This. This sort of attitude will more likely cause them to make a decision on AM. I dread to think what the season ticket sales are going to be like next season.
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Don't go just to be negative
Just do what I do and don't go, it will hurt them more
Sadly, this is the action that the club would take notice of. However it could backfire, with further slash and burn to cover the lost revenue. Then we are entering ever decreasing circles.
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Results will be what the manager is judged on, not a bunch of Facebook fans holding up bits of paper. If he keeps us around mid table then I imagine he will be within the targets set while we go through this period of cost cutting. That's more important to Lerner at the moment than being easy on the eye.
Most protests end up being either a damp squib or worse they are divisive, those that don't support them arguing with those that do.
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Results will be what the manager is judged on, not a bunch of Facebook fans holding up bits of paper. If he keeps us around mid table then I imagine he will be within the targets set while we go through this period of cost cutting. That's more important to Lerner at the moment than being easy on the eye.
Most protests end up being either a damp squib or worse they are divisive, those that don't support them arguing with those that do.
That's true. At least those fans protesting and arguing still have a passion for the club though. The major problem will be the fans that just lose interest completely, and never come back.
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I think all villa fans should send a letter to RL and PF clearly stating the following words "MCLEISH OUT". they would have to take notice if there post room was full of 42K+ letters all saying the same thing.
In all honesty, i do think the "mcliesh out" chants will be starting soon especially if we lose on Saturday to Bolton.
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I always find the football much more enjoyable after I've taken a couple of E's personally.
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In all honesty, i do think the "mcliesh out" chants will be starting soon especially if we lose on Saturday to Bolton.
Blackburn fans have been chanting for their manager to be sacked virtually all season. They have been listened to not one jot.
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In all honesty, i do think the "mcliesh out" chants will be starting soon especially if we lose on Saturday to Bolton.
Blackburn fans have been chanting for their manager to be sacked virtually all season. They have been listened to not one jot.
I know but i'm sure our owners are more clued up than the venkys? Oh wait a minute, did I just say that? :o
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In all honesty, i do think the "mcliesh out" chants will be starting soon especially if we lose on Saturday to Bolton.
Blackburn fans have been chanting for their manager to be sacked virtually all season. They have been listened to not one jot.
I know but i'm sure our owners are more clued up than the venkys? Oh wait a minute, did I just say that? :o
You did, and you can't take it back now.
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In all honesty, i do think the "mcliesh out" chants will be starting soon especially if we lose on Saturday to Bolton.
Blackburn fans have been chanting for their manager to be sacked virtually all season. They have been listened to not one jot.
I know but i'm sure our owners are more clued up than the venkys? Oh wait a minute, did I just say that? :o
You did, and you can't take it back now.
DAMN!!!!!
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Results will be what the manager is judged on, not a bunch of Facebook fans holding up bits of paper. If he keeps us around mid table then I imagine he will be within the targets set while we go through this period of cost cutting. That's more important to Lerner at the moment than being easy on the eye.
Most protests end up being either a damp squib or worse they are divisive, those that don't support them arguing with those that do.
If he keeps us midtable.......not a chance given the rubbish served up.
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May I draw your attention to the (agreed-little known) fact that I look after any issues to do with the letter Z. It may not be an official one-but its mine and no-one else's.
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Results will be what the manager is judged on, not a bunch of Facebook fans holding up bits of paper. If he keeps us around mid table then I imagine he will be within the targets set while we go through this period of cost cutting. That's more important to Lerner at the moment than being easy on the eye.
Most protests end up being either a damp squib or worse they are divisive, those that don't support them arguing with those that do.
If he keeps us midtable.......not a chance given the rubbish served up.
Yet despite apparently serving up rubbish guess where we are in the league?
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Results will be what the manager is judged on, not a bunch of Facebook fans holding up bits of paper. If he keeps us around mid table then I imagine he will be within the targets set while we go through this period of cost cutting. That's more important to Lerner at the moment than being easy on the eye.
Most protests end up being either a damp squib or worse they are divisive, those that don't support them arguing with those that do.
If he keeps us midtable.......not a chance given the rubbish served up.
Yet despite apparently serving up rubbish guess where we are in the league?
There is no apparently about our football - it is rubbish. I think the last 15 threads might give you a clue as to how we are playing. We won't be mid table by the Swansea match. Why - because we are rubbish.
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First post here so don't know if it's in the correct place, if not my apologies.
My idea is for everyone attending the Liverpool game to take a lett "z" on a piece of paper to show how boring the football we are watching is. I feel this idea is more viable than a boycott and better than a protest.
Thoughts?
I'll bring a 'Z', you'll have to give us a nudge to wake us up so I can wave it mind.
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It should not affect professionals being paid ludicrous amounts of money, and if it does, well sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.
I usually buy the "booing them dosent make them play any better" argument, but the fans could have booed the team for 90 minutes against Spurs and I don't think it could possibly have made them play any worse.
At what point do you stand up and tell the manager and players thet they are serving us up with shit?
Playing devils advocate, at what point do you think he already realised that it is shit? He has to, he isn't stupid. I'm afraid we are stuck with it.
Well you would think wouldnt you but how many times does he have to play Heskey in midfield? how many times will he let collins hoof the ball? how many times will we keep trying to find bent with headers?
I know every manager deserves time but their are some very fundamental areas that could be rectified but it seems to keep happening
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Results are the main factor but they are not the only thing the manager will be judged on, at least by the fans. A lot of people will not pay to watch dull, negative football, even if the results are not too bad. Since the quality of football influences results, the brand of football served up is hardly likely to produce fantastic results. Football is an entertainment industry, and despite results being kind of okay so far, people are already voting with their feet.
Villa fans do seem rather insipid when it comes to protests. Fair play to Blackburn fans for trying to safeguard the long term future of their club, and to those Man Yoo fans who wear the Newton Heath green and yellow in protest at the Glazers. The latter doesn't seem to have affected their team's performances.
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Well protests will start from the fans in the ground making their feelings felt. With respect, bits of paper won't do it.
There were times in the past when the Holte got loud chanting "We want Football". "Attack, Attack attack" and other ditties. It got noticed. "All we are saying- is give us a goal" also made the charts but bloody depressing.
'We want football' is my favourite and very appropriate atm.
Pity the John Barnes quote can't be set to a chant/song. Or can it?
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Villa fans do seem rather insipid when it comes to protests. Fair play to Blackburn fans for trying to safeguard the long term future of their club, and to those Man Yoo fans who wear the Newton Heath green and yellow in protest at the Glazers. The latter doesn't seem to have affected their team's performances.
Apart from in the late sixties when the Villa fans took part in probably the biggest ever fan-led change in their football club?