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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: montague on November 25, 2011, 11:19:47 AM
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has been tweeting very eloquently from the depths of a very bad bout of depression, his worst for years. A terrible debilitating illness that can strike at any time, regardless of how much a week you earn. John Gregory is an ignorant cock. Properly managed we might still have got the best out of Stan for a few years. Hope he gets well soon.
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Depression or no depression he is still a cock in my opinion.
professes now how much he loves the Villa, pity he never showed us that commitment when he was here
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If you are not aware of this illness and the severe damaging effects it can have on you and those around you i suggest you stop calling him names because of it
Reference his footballing ability / radio work etc is fair game - but for his illness its way out of line
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He's one of the very few presenters on Talksport worth listening to. Hope he gets well soon.
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Depression or no depression he is still a cock in my opinion.
professes now how much he loves the Villa, pity he never showed us that commitment when he was here
If you understood how depression works, you'd see that that probably had a lot to do with it.
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I did say depression or no depression meaning that his illnesses aside the bloke is a first class wanker who liked to slap women
For all of his loving of the Villa, he said last week that one of our stands was a listed building ?!?!
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Depression or no depression he is still a cock in my opinion.
professes now how much he loves the Villa, pity he never showed us that commitment when he was here
Should he have just "snapped out of it" when he was with us, then?
There's plenty of things in his past that he should (and I'd imagine does) feel genuinely ashamed about (beating up UJ for instance), but being unable to perform his job due to depression is not one of them.
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I did say depression or no depression meaning that his illnesses aside the bloke is a first class wanker who liked to slap women
And then went on to slag him over one of the symptoms of depression.
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I did say depression or no depression meaning that his illnesses aside the bloke is a first class wanker who liked to slap women
Oh dear.........
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I did say depression or no depression meaning that his illnesses aside the bloke is a first class wanker who liked to slap women
What you have failed to understand is the illness is the cause of many of your complaints - hitting anyone is inexcusable behaviour, but believe me when I say it takes a considerable amount of constraint to not lash out, when you're in that dark place and being goaded by what normal people would consider 'throw away' remarks.
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So because of his "Illness" Collymore is able to physical assault women, go dogging on a regular basis whilst leaving his wife and kids at home and generally just do whatever he wants.
Bit convenient that.
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Depression or no depression he is still a cock in my opinion.
professes now how much he loves the Villa, pity he never showed us that commitment when he was here
Oh dear. Having witnessed my own wife, a very driven and successful professional, lie in bed for days on end unable to funtion on any level, then I would suggest that our problems with Stan were not down to his lack of committment but a deeper illness that he couldnt control. As I said in the first post, properly managed he could still have been a good player for us.
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Please do not feed the troll.
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Thankfully I've not suffered from depression however I have a very close friend who has - It's not a nice place and sufferers are not responsible for their actions. It's an illness that can hit anyone regadless of money, lifestyle, privilege, etc..
Most people who claim to be depressed are just a little down - no comparison.
Hope Stan gets through it.
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He is a fellow Villa Fan, a genuine Villa fan, he has an illness and has made mistakes, but you sound more of a cock than Stan does UsualSuspect
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In the last two weeks my business has failed, leaving me massively in debt, my partner has been rushed to hospital with a potentially life threatening condition and my ex has revealed that she's moving to the other side of the country and taking our son with her. I'm about to lose my vehicle and my flat, and in all likelihood be declared bankrupt very soon.
As someone who has suffered with chronic depression for many years (have been through Prozac, Amitryptyline, Citalopram, am on Mirtazapine again at the moment) and has experienced many times when I wasn't fully in control, I have every empathy for SVC in his struggle against the Black Dog... But wouldn't argue with anyone's right to call him a cock. Even people who don't suffer with depression can be cocks, or so I understand...
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I think you are a bit out of order Usualsuspect.
You need to understand depression fully to understand what it can do to someone mentally. No one is saying it is alright to hit /assault a woman but when you have a mental health issue, it can drive you to do things that people who are not suffering, do. Do some research on the internet, there will be plenty of interesting reading for you on there.
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I have to admit I was similarly ignorant of the condition at the same time, so I'm prepared to cut Gregory some slack as he only said things that lots of people thought in their (and my) ignorance.
So well done to him for at least helping awareness. It's a physical illness just as much as breaking your leg or having cancer.
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Its certainly put the boot in my family and ruined relations between faily members. Some people are just to thick to understand it.
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So because of his "Illness" Collymore is able to physical assault women, go dogging on a regular basis whilst leaving his wife and kids at home and generally just do whatever he wants.
Bit convenient that.
I didn't say his behaviour was excusable, I did say that his condition does not take more than a little push to make his actions uncontrollable.
As someone who has been on medication for this condition for over 10 years (and my level is not anywhere near critical), I am renowned for having no patience and a foul temper.
I can easily envisage a worse sufferer having many personality traits that are far less than normal acceptance levels would tolerate.
Have you read or found any evidence that he enjoyed any of the activities he has demonstrated? Because if not, it is a viable excuse - much like a drug addict and a drunk are not in control of their actions, but can have treatment for their condition
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In the last two weeks my business has failed, leaving me massively in debt, my partner has been rushed to hospital with a potentially life threatening condition and my ex has revealed that she's moving to the other side of the country and taking our son with her. I'm about to lose my vehicle and my flat, and in all likelihood be declared bankrupt very soon.
As someone who has suffered with chronic depression for many years (have been through Prozac, Amitryptyline, Citalopram, am on Mirtazapine again at the moment) and has experienced many times when I wasn't fully in control, I have every empathy for SVC in his struggle against the Black Dog... But wouldn't argue with anyone's right to call him a cock. Even people who don't suffer with depression can be cocks, or so I understand...
Best of luck with your fight rodders, and I hope your partner pulls through.
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Best of luck Rodders it sounds like you're having a nightmare of a time.
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So because of his "Illness" Collymore is able to physical assault women, go dogging on a regular basis whilst leaving his wife and kids at home and generally just do whatever he wants.
Bit convenient that.
I didn't say his behaviour was excusable, I did say that his condition does not take more than a little push to make his actions uncontrollable.
As someone who has been on medication for this condition for over 10 years (and my level is not anywhere near critical), I am renowned for having no patience and a foul temper.
I can easily envisage a worse sufferer having many personality traits that are far less than normal acceptance levels would tolerate.
Have you read or found any evidence that he enjoyed any of the activities he has demonstrated? Because if not, it is a viable excuse - much like a drug addict and a drunk are not in control of their actions, but can have treatment for their condition
I wouldn't bother trying to reason with him Neil, he appears to be more of an idiot than I gave him credit for, which is saying something.
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Best of luck Rodders it sounds like you're having a nightmare of a time.
Seconded - hang in there - good luck on all fronts
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Thank you, everybody. Que sera...
Have just been reading SVC on Twitter; as he says, "the clouds will always lift" - just about the most important thing for anyone with depression to remember. Good on him for going public, as I can (now) attest; it can be cathartic. Your thoughts have uplifted me... so why am I sitting here with tears streaming down my face because of it...?
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In the last two weeks my business has failed, leaving me massively in debt, my partner has been rushed to hospital with a potentially life threatening condition and my ex has revealed that she's moving to the other side of the country and taking our son with her. I'm about to lose my vehicle and my flat, and in all likelihood be declared bankrupt very soon.
As someone who has suffered with chronic depression for many years (have been through Prozac, Amitryptyline, Citalopram, am on Mirtazapine again at the moment) and has experienced many times when I wasn't fully in control, I have every empathy for SVC in his struggle against the Black Dog... But wouldn't argue with anyone's right to call him a cock. Even people who don't suffer with depression can be cocks, or so I understand...
Best of luck with your fight rodders, and I hope your partner pulls through.
Yes. Good luck and best wishes.
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I wouldn't bother trying to reason with him Neil, he appears to be more of an idiot than I gave him credit for, which is saying something.
Ger, I can understand your reasoning!
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Rodders............you have my best wishes and hope it gets better.
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I have mixed feelings about Stan, but I still remember the game we drew 4-4 against Chelski, him going mental on the radio commentary. He clearly loves the club.
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Was Collymore suffering with depression when he was dogging or just when he got caught?
I suppose the incident on Broad Street involving him and Bosnich that Doug hushed up was down to his illness as well.
I am not saying that depression isn't a terrible thing because it is but with old SVC his seems to come on when he's being caught doing something that is out of line.
Villa v Fulham - Not picked so gets his arse in his hand
Beats up Ulrika - It was because of my stress
gets caught dogging - because of my stress
To me it is is using it as justification for making some shit decisions
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Best wishes to both rodders and Stan.
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Was Collymore suffering with depression when he was dogging or just when he got caught?
I suppose the incident on Broad Street involving him and Bosnich that Doug hushed up was down to his illness as well.
I am not saying that depression isn't a terrible thing because it is but with old SVC his seems to come on when he's being caught doing something that is out of line.
Villa v Fulham - Not picked so gets his arse in his hand
Beats up Ulrika - It was because of my stress
gets caught dogging - because of my stress
To me it is is using it as justification for making some shit decisions
What a load of utter fucking shite.
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Was Collymore suffering with depression when he was dogging or just when he got caught?
I suppose the incident on Broad Street involving him and Bosnich that Doug hushed up was down to his illness as well.
I am not saying that depression isn't a terrible thing because it is but with old SVC his seems to come on when he's being caught doing something that is out of line.
Villa v Fulham - Not picked so gets his arse in his hand
Beats up Ulrika - It was because of my stress
gets caught dogging - because of my stress
To me it is is using it as justification for making some shit decisions
I'd quit while I was behind if I were you.
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Hey, Rodders, I hope you can feel part of some sort of a family here; and I admire your openness in sharing your problems with us.
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Was Collymore suffering with depression when he was dogging or just when he got caught?
I suppose the incident on Broad Street involving him and Bosnich that Doug hushed up was down to his illness as well.
I am not saying that depression isn't a terrible thing because it is but with old SVC his seems to come on when he's being caught doing something that is out of line.
Villa v Fulham - Not picked so gets his arse in his hand
Beats up Ulrika - It was because of my stress
gets caught dogging - because of my stress
To me it is is using it as justification for making some shit decisions
It takes a remarkably feeble brain to come to that sort of conclusion. You should donate it to science.
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Gregory's attitude to depression in 1998 was bad enough, but it's sad to see that such attitudes prevail in 2011.
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Best wishes Rodders.
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Well at least this thread has confirmed everything I've thought about UsualSuspect.
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Rodders, that is one serious amount of bad luck to be dumped on one person. Stay strong, as things can only get better. Best of luck to both you and your partner.
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Society get's confused between feeling sad & being depressed.
Citalopram are nasty tablets. Avoid.
All the best Stan.
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Rodders, keep going mate, I know exactly how it feels when the black dog is on your back, but remember that it does get light again, and clouds do pass. My best wishes for things to take a positive turn.
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Rodders, that is one serious amount of bad luck to be dumped on one person. Stay strong, as things can only get better. Best of luck to both you and your partner.
Seconded.
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Best of luck to both Rodders and Stan hope you both get well soon.
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Society get's confused between feeling sad & being depressed.
Citalopram are nasty tablets. Avoid.
All the best Stan.
Was on them for 10 years. I decided in the end that although I do suffer with depression, I didn't want to be beholden to a tablet and was determined to face it without them. I got over the withdrawal effects (for me dizzyness and insomnia) and am off them altogether now. The last 3 months have been a struggle, and I've almost altogether stopped drinking because that makes me worse, but I'm still glad I'm off those fucking tablets.
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Full credit to you that have stopped taking the tablets. My dad suffered for many years and is no longer taking them. Its been a struggle for him and been hard to see him suffering but he is looking like his old self for the past year.
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US has surpassed himself with level of stupidity and insensitivity,
Good luck with everything, Rodders.
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yes good luck Rodders. No matter how bad you think it is there is always someone worse off
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Usual Suspect speaking Usual Bollocks. As expected as the sun coming up in the morning. His lack of any intelligence or common sense shines as brightly as a beacon on a crystal clear night for all to see and mock.
rodders - good luck sir. Hope things turn around soon for you.
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Stan Collymore is the biggest Villa fan in the media that I know of.
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So because of his "Illness" Collymore is able to physical assault women, go dogging on a regular basis whilst leaving his wife and kids at home and generally just do whatever he wants.
Bit convenient that.
It's not often I have a go at other posters but you are talking like a twat. I take it you have never suffered from or had someone close to you suffer from depression.
Anyone who can blithely dismiss depression like you have obviously has no understanding or compassion. Just because you cant see it it don't exist...
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I have to admit I was similarly ignorant of the condition at the same time, so I'm prepared to cut Gregory some slack as he only said things that lots of people thought in their (and my) ignorance.
So well done to him for at least helping awareness. It's a physical illness just as much as breaking your leg or having cancer.
So what's the difference between being depressed about your life and actually having depression?
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I have to admit I was similarly ignorant of the condition at the same time, so I'm prepared to cut Gregory some slack as he only said things that lots of people thought in their (and my) ignorance.
So well done to him for at least helping awareness. It's a physical illness just as much as breaking your leg or having cancer.
So what's the difference between being depressed about your life and actually having depression?
Everyone is "depressed" about their life at times.
being clinically depressed involves far more than the regular "depressions" we all go through
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Thank you, everybody. Que sera...
Have just been reading SVC on Twitter; as he says, "the clouds will always lift" - just about the most important thing for anyone with depression to remember. Good on him for going public, as I can (now) attest; it can be cathartic. Your thoughts have uplifted me... so why am I sitting here with tears streaming down my face because of it...?
you have nearly started me off now !!
keep your chin up mate.
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All the best Rodders, hope everything gets better for you :)
As for collymore, i've hated the twat ever since he scored for the dippers and stood in front of the Holte gloating at us. Villa fan my arse.
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Rather like "flu", depression has come to mean something totally different for the vast majority of the populace than the medical reality of the real thing. So just like the many who have suffered a few days of a lousy cold find it difficult to comprehend that actually influenza is a killer, I suppose it is not surprising that some will find if difficult to realise that clinical depression is a rather different proposition than having Monday-morning blues.
I only have one experience of knowing a sufferer, and I know the toll it has taken on his family. My sympathies go out to all sufferers. I'd also like to think that, with hindsight, I can perhaps start to understand why Stan's career - and not just at the Villa - didn't quite ever reach the heights that his talent was capable of.
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I recall him saying he tried to commit suicide at one point by hanging himself off a tree.
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usual suspect you are an ignorant ******
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Rodders - I wish you the very best and hope you have somebody you can call on as a friend, who understands that you may not talk a lot, at times. This too, shall pass, because it does. Eventually! And you'll get your life back.
If the drugs work for you and you can think straight and function with them, they are useful; your GP should be monitoring their effect on you and your illness, and will help when you feel that you are ready to move on.
I've been in this situation and I can only repeat - it does go away and you will be ok. (I had that written down in various places around the house, on the computer screen and in my purse!) Very best wishes for your recovery.
And, for the thread, best wishes to Stan, who I like listening to on TS.
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usual suspect you are an ignorant c***
Don't beat about the bush. tell him what you think :)
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usual suspect you are an ignorant c***
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Rodders, keep your chin uo mate. Horrible situaiton to be and I wish you all the best.
As for SVC I feel for the guy and have nothing but admiration for him as he has managed to build himself a very successful second career (which I think he is outstanding at by the way in comparison to his peers) and all this despite suffering from a terrible illness.
Thankfully most people are aware today if how common and terrible this illness is - good luck to anyone suffering from it.
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I, like many posters in this thread, have suffered from crippling depressions in the past and yeah, in moments of utter desolation have tried to end it all. Thankfully for me, there were things I'm more capable of doing than topping myself. But like any other illness, there's no rhyme or reason to it. There was one particular incident I recall where I was sitting watching an England game trying to eat something, and I realised that I'd been crying for most of the game without knowing why I was doing it.
My ex was on tablets for years and i found, not that I'm defending ignorance about it, that after a certain point I got annoyed because she never seemed to get better. In certain respects it may have contributed to the break-up. But until you know how it actually feels yourself you can have no concept of how hard it is to try and make it back to the light. I can see why the attitude exists but I hope the doubters never find out how it feels because I had a taste of it, and I much prefer being healthy and alive rather than the other options.
Fair play to Collymore: he may have made mistakes, but publicising a battle with depression isn't one of them.
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Bollocks to SVC. He is making a career of being a professional Villa fan, when in reality he stiffed us royally without even a kiss my arse. Churchill won the war with crippling depression, SVC couldn't even put a shift in on £40,000 odd a week.
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Good Luck Rodders, being self-employed i have ben through very tough times as well.I would recommend you get as much advice as possible from CAB etc, i did and that allowed me to get back on my feet and improve my situation.
You may find some of the things you think you are obliged to do/told to do, you might not need to.Don't let the bar stewards get you down, best of luck.
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Bollocks to SVC. He is making a career of being a professional Villa fan, when in reality he stiffed us royally without even a kiss my arse. Churchill won the war with crippling depression, SVC couldn't even put shift in on £40,000 odd a week.
There's always one, or in our case, two.
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Bollocks to SVC. He is making a career of being a professional Villa fan, when in reality he stiffed us royally without even a kiss my arse. Churchill won the war with crippling depression, SVC couldn't even put shift in on £40,000 odd a week.
There's always one, or in our case, two.
I'm quite prepared to agree that he was unable to function in a Villa shirt due to depression, but to have the brass neck to make out that he's our greatest fan when in effect he never gave a monkeys is taking the biscuit.
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I, like many posters in this thread, have suffered from crippling depressions in the past and yeah, in moments of utter desolation have tried to end it all. Thankfully for me, there were things I'm more capable of doing than topping myself. But like any other illness, there's no rhyme or reason to it. There was one particular incident I recall where I was sitting watching an England game trying to eat something, and I realised that I'd been crying for most of the game without knowing why I was doing it.
My ex was on tablets for years and i found, not that I'm defending ignorance about it, that after a certain point I got annoyed because she never seemed to get better. In certain respects it may have contributed to the break-up. But until you know how it actually feels yourself you can have no concept of how hard it is to try and make it back to the light. I can see why the attitude exists but I hope the doubters never find out how it feels because I had a taste of it, and I much prefer being healthy and alive rather than the other options.
Fair play to Collymore: he may have made mistakes, but publicising a battle with depression isn't one of them.
I know it's not what you posted here, but you have nothing but my deepest sympathies for what you clearly went through.
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Good luck rodders. Be sure you will shoot through. Many of us have been where you are some of us more than once or twice.
There is a growing body of evidence that a great deal of what is broadly described as depression is viral in its origins. I was struck down in my mid thirties with what was diagnosed as glandular fever and my daughter was afflicted in the same way at the same age. Within our family the story went that the cause of our extreme poverty was caused by my father having a nervous breakdown but all I have heard and been told by those around him at the time makes me believe that he too had some sort of viral infection which affected his central nervous system.
The real problem is the totally unjustified stigma which mental illness carries. The whole illness is bundled up as "madness". Once the illness can be attributed to an infectious invasion of a virus the sufferer suddenly is allowed the courtesy of being readmitted to the human race.
I would not wish anybody to go to the places depression sufferers go and those who do have my deepest sympathy.
Oddly enough coming on here I find good for keeping the black dog on his chain. Keep posting rodders.
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Bollocks to SVC. He is making a career of being a professional Villa fan, when in reality he stiffed us royally without even a kiss my arse. Churchill won the war with crippling depression, SVC couldn't even put shift in on £40,000 odd a week.
There's always one, or in our case, two.
I'm quite prepared to agree that he was unable to function in a Villa shirt due to depression, but to have the brass neck to make out that he's our greatest fan when in effect he never gave a monkeys is taking the biscuit.
What are you on about? Why would you give a fuck how much of a 'fan' he is? This thread is about a horrible, horrible illness. Some people on here have bared their souls a bit so show some respect for that. Post your vitriol somewhere else eh?
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In the last two weeks my business has failed, leaving me massively in debt, my partner has been rushed to hospital with a potentially life threatening condition and my ex has revealed that she's moving to the other side of the country and taking our son with her. I'm about to lose my vehicle and my flat, and in all likelihood be declared bankrupt very soon.
As someone who has suffered with chronic depression for many years (have been through Prozac, Amitryptyline, Citalopram, am on Mirtazapine again at the moment) and has experienced many times when I wasn't fully in control, I have every empathy for SVC in his struggle against the Black Dog... But wouldn't argue with anyone's right to call him a cock. Even people who don't suffer with depression can be cocks, or so I understand...
fookin hell - puts my sh!tty week into perspective
all the best chap
PS - I think Stan is a top fella despite his "problems"
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I wonder just how much sympathy Stan Collymore would receive had he been your average joe with a 9-5 job? With his fame and fortune comes great opportunity and with that tremendous pressure .I feel sympathy for anyone suffering from depression, it is a terrible illness.Those on the outside looking in can easily say "what's he got to be depressed over" before pointing out all of the things he's been able to do in his life that many of us would love to do.For beating his girlfriend up, wasting a god given talent and generally making downright stupid decisions I can have no sympathy.Yes, these things can be attributed to his illness but that is offering a way out and from personal experience where i've had a mother and a brother in law in deep bouts of depression, excuses aren't what is needed.Would everyone on here be so sympathetic of Collymore had he been lets say Paul Tait for example? I somehow doubt it, but i'd like to think so. Collymore goes down as one of the biggest wastes of talent i've ever seen.The man had the lot as a footballer, though lacked the mental stability to match the talent.For a modern day equivalent i'd point to our very own Stephen Ireland, let's hope he doesn't suffer in the future.
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Bollocks to SVC. He is making a career of being a professional Villa fan, when in reality he stiffed us royally without even a kiss my arse. Churchill won the war with crippling depression, SVC couldn't even put a shift in on £40,000 odd a week.
Just remember, money doesn't always bring you happiness!
Im sorry but your comments are bang out of order and clearly you are uneducated in this area so you and Usualsuspect should start your own thread and post your trash in there
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Bollocks to SVC. He is making a career of being a professional Villa fan, when in reality he stiffed us royally without even a kiss my arse. Churchill won the war with crippling depression, SVC couldn't even put shift in on £40,000 odd a week.
There's always one, or in our case, two.
I'm quite prepared to agree that he was unable to function in a Villa shirt due to depression, but to have the brass neck to make out that he's our greatest fan when in effect he never gave a monkeys is taking the biscuit.
What are you on about? Why would you give a fuck how much of a 'fan' he is? This thread is about a horrible, horrible illness. Some people on here have bared their souls a bit so show some respect for that. Post your vitriol somewhere else eh?
I'm sorry but I'm not having this bollocks, Stan is quality at what he now does, he is a Villa fan, I can't think of many others in the media.
He has a problem and his using his public status to try and help others, let's admire him and congratulate him instead of knocking him while he is down, for goodness sake.
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usual suspect you are an ignorant c***
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Except, however in this case.
Anyone who suffers from this illness has my sympathies, irrespective of who they are. But at the same time it cannot always be used as an excuse. Clinical depression descends without cause or reason and most people who suffer with it spend a lifetime learning to cope with it, always on the lookout for the next episode. Just as surely as it comes, it will go away again, avoiding situations which cause stress or anxiety whilst you are on a down help. There is obviously still a lot ignorance surrounding depression, drug abuse and alcoholism which for some poor individuals are often linked.
SVC & Rodders, you have my thoughts & best wishes.
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As someone with depression once said, "If you're going through hell, keep going". Keep going Rodders.
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I'm quite prepared to agree that he was unable to function in a Villa shirt due to depression, but to have the brass neck to make out that he's our greatest fan when in effect he never gave a monkeys is taking the biscuit.
What are you on about? Why would you give a fuck how much of a 'fan' he is? This thread is about a horrible, horrible illness. Some people on here have bared their souls a bit so show some respect for that. Post your vitriol somewhere else eh?[/quote]
I actually do give a fuck whether SVC claims to be a Villa fan or not. He certainly did not give that impression that he was when he was giving it large in front of the Holte for Liverpool, or when he was strolling about the pitch at VP not generally giving a fuck. This thread is also not about your depression but about SVC and his. Since he has chosen to put this in the public domain, I think I am entitled to offer my opinion. As for you, if you had some dignity, you would not pour your heart out on a public forum and then expect no one to offer any opinion that suggested an alternative view on the subject in question.
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Bollocks to SVC. He is making a career of being a professional Villa fan, when in reality he stiffed us royally without even a kiss my arse. Churchill won the war with crippling depression, SVC couldn't even put shift in on £40,000 odd a week.
There's always one, or in our case, two.
I'm quite prepared to agree that he was unable to function in a Villa shirt due to depression, but to have the brass neck to make out that he's our greatest fan when in effect he never gave a monkeys is taking the biscuit.
What would be in it for anyone to pretend to be a Villa fan (David Cameron excepted - some misfortune to to balance all that undeserved privilege)?
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I'm quite prepared to agree that he was unable to function in a Villa shirt due to depression, but to have the brass neck to make out that he's our greatest fan when in effect he never gave a monkeys is taking the biscuit.
What are you on about? Why would you give a fuck how much of a 'fan' he is? This thread is about a horrible, horrible illness. Some people on here have bared their souls a bit so show some respect for that. Post your vitriol somewhere else eh?
I actually do give a fuck whether SVC claims to be a Villa fan or not. He certainly did not give that impression that he was when he was giving it large in front of the Holte for Liverpool, or when he was strolling about the pitch at VP not generally giving a fuck. This thread is also not about your depression but about SVC and his. Since he has chosen to put this in the public domain, I think I am entitled to offer my opinion. As for you, if you had some dignity, you would not pour your heart out on a public forum and then expect no one to offer any opinion that offered an alternative view to the subject in question.
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"My Depression"? "Pour my herat out". Eh? I'm not depressed. Some on here are though and you banging on about "self-respect" is about as welcome as a kick in the nuts. Get it? Now, go and cry over your Stan Collymore shirt you big twat.
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Now, go and cry over your Stan Collymore shirt you big twat.
Now now, we'll have a bit les...ah bollocks, crack on.
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Now, go and cry over your Stan Collymore shirt you big twat.
I think you've said it all. Just because you've been ill it doesn't give you the right to be abusive.
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Gaucho. I HAVEN'T BEEN ILL. I have been fortunate enough not to suffer from depression. Know some people who have though and it's nowt to do with dignity, self respect, pulling yourself together etc etc etc etc.
You are being abusive and ignorant when bringing 'dignity' into a debate about depression. OK?
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I think this thread should be locked, it's just going to turn into a slagging match with maybe a few people getting upset.
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Jus
Now, go and cry over your Stan Collymore shirt you big twat.
I think you've said it all. Just because you've been ill it doesn't give you the right to be abusive.
Just like being depressed isn't an excuse for slapping a woman
Being ignorant isn't an excuse for comments like that...
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I wonder just how much sympathy Stan Collymore would receive had he been your average joe with a 9-5 job? With his fame and fortune comes great opportunity and with that tremendous pressure .I feel sympathy for anyone suffering from depression, it is a terrible illness.Those on the outside looking in can easily say "what's he got to be depressed over" before pointing out all of the things he's been able to do in his life that many of us would love to do.For beating his girlfriend up, wasting a god given talent and generally making downright stupid decisions I can have no sympathy.Yes, these things can be attributed to his illness but that is offering a way out and from personal experience where i've had a mother and a brother in law in deep bouts of depression, excuses aren't what is needed.Would everyone on here be so sympathetic of Collymore had he been lets say Paul Tait for example? I somehow doubt it, but i'd like to think so. Collymore goes down as one of the biggest wastes of talent i've ever seen.The man had the lot as a footballer, though lacked the mental stability to match the talent.For a modern day equivalent i'd point to our very own Stephen Ireland, let's hope he doesn't suffer in the future.
I think Stan realises the mistakes he has made and is now using his profile to raise awareness. Anyone suffering from depression knows they have to take full responsibility for the decisions they have made... but they also have to accept that the rationale used when making those decisions has been compromised by illness. Then there is the compounding problem of being aware of your mistake taking responsibility for it and not beating yourself up about it. Add in the fact that the depression can lead you to put yourself in positions that make other people have the same negative opinion of yourself that you do.
On top of this, most treatments for the condition require discipline and an ability to ignore your symptoms for a period of time so that you can continue the treatment until it takes hold because if you can't ignore them you certainly won't be able to keep up with the regular medication, exercise, going to mental health professionals etc.
Stan Collymore is not a "sea hunt"; the illness is. Playing out the illness in the public eye is not something I would ever wish on anyone.
I suffer from dysthymia (persistent mild depression that can be mistaken for a personality trait in many people) but I have had bouts of major depressive disorder as well over the last 14 years and it has only been over the last year and a bit that I have started getting my life together, even then I've been very close to throwing it all away on occasions. Management of the condition is difficult if you don't have people that can take up the burden when things start to get too much.
I can assure you that Stan would be condemning his own behaviour personally 100 times an hour and has , in his own mind, probably elevated every little mistake he has made to the same level as the big ones that you and I have read about in the papers.
"Excuses aren't what is needed."
Excuses are given to absolve oneself of responsibility and I agree, depression isn't an excuse or even a justification. It is a contributing factor, though, that in many cases if it didn't exist neither would the behaviour and that is enough reason to take it into consideration.
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Reading the preceding pages I am surprised how many people on here have suffered from this illness. I wish you all luck, if that is the right thing you need. I guess I am completely ignorant about the subject as I thought it was a rare thing. I'm off to wiki to read up, are there any other sites that anyone recommends?