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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: VillaAlways on November 21, 2011, 12:33:37 PM
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I wonder how much of his wages they're paying ?
Wasn't he due to go somewhere last season but refused ?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11734/7322698/Rovers-to-bring-in-Beye
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I wonder if they'll pay any of the wages, I hope so.
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Doncaster are paying about 10% if Pascal Chimbonda's and Cisse's wages at the moment. Suppose it will be the same for Beye.
Even by agents' standards, Willie McKay seems very shifty
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Wasn't he due to go somewhere last season but refused ?
Ipswich.
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a couple of buttons and a washer I would think.....this is ambitious DRFC we are talking about the team bottom of the league
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Seeing as he is on 42K per week I can't see Doncaster being able to pay more than 5k.
best thing we could do is just pay him off now and tell him to fuck off.
£8 million he has cost us, thanks martin.
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Habib, do you need a lift up there ?
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To what sort of 'emergency' is the answer "Habib Beye on loan"?!
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To what sort of 'emergency' is the answer "Habib Beye on loan"?!
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the Towering Inferno, I'd guess about a 14.
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It is one weird experiment going on at Doncaster. Willie McKay has pretty much been given control of the club's transfers. As a result a lot of his player - Diouf, Chimbonda, even rumours of Diarra - are going there on short term loans in order to get better deals elsewhere.
I do not envy Dean Saunders having to manage that team of egos.
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It is one weird experiment going on at Doncaster. Willie McKay has pretty much been given control of the club's transfers. As a result a lot of his player - Diouf, Chimbonda, even rumours of Diarra - are going there on short term loans in order to get better deals elsewhere.
I do not envy Dean Saunders having to manage that team of egos.
Yes, heard McKay being interviewed about this - and you are right, it's exactly what he said. Get games to keep fit and put yourself in the shop window, wages negotiable between Donny, loan club and player.
Can't see it doing Doncaster any good in the long term.
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it's this kind of deal that probably keeps Randy up at night. One of the last players of the MON era that contributes absolutely nothing and seemingly has little desire or ability to yet is being paid more than handsomely. Say what you want about Heskey, and yes, he is on stupid money, but he at least shows up to work and adds something. Beye adds less than nothing and his exit may be the most excrutiatingly slow and painful one of all time.
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Let's just hope they keep him up there and he never comes back to us.
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http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2523053,00.html
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Good old Deano
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Bye Habib, thanks for nothing. And for taking a few million quid out of our clubs piggy bank. FFS.
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Doncaster will be paying a maximum of 2 grand per week as per their stated policy. The full interview with Willie McKay is widely available but originally appeared in the daily mail (i thinkl)
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2k a week? Barely worth shifting him if we're still lobbing 38k worth of scruffy tenners in bin-liners at him every Thursday morning.
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Whilst it hurts to see Villa wasting that money, I still think it is a good move getting rid of him. We're 2k better off and more importantly less of the coaches time, medical staffs time will be wasted on him. As a result hopefully a youngster somewhere down the line will become a better player.
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Thanks Habib. His catastrophic slice from 30 yards over our own crossbar against Rapid last season still gives me nightmares.
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we would have been better off just swapping Beye for Saunders .
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Thanks Habib. His catastrophic slice from 30 yards over our own crossbar against Rapid last season still gives me nightmares.
Thought that was Curtis Davies?
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Doncaster will be paying a maximum of 2 grand per week as per their stated policy. The full interview with Willie McKay is widely available but originally appeared in the daily mail (i thinkl)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15755659.stm
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Well it gets him out the house!
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on the very few occasions he played i dont think he did to bad, certainly as good as anything we saw from our defenders last night (Spurs)
in fact his worst display was probably on par with Huttons best
never the less a total waste of money and no mistake
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Its an interesting transfer plan they've come up with. Mebbe we could try similar and offer to take club's like spur's duffers on loan for 2k. Instead of buying them.
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Please god tell me his contract is up at the end of the season?
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We really missed Habib Beye yesterday! The bench didnt look the same without him! :o
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Nathan Baker off to Millwall
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15835289.stm
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Thanks Habib. His catastrophic slice from 30 yards over our own crossbar against Rapid last season still gives me nightmares.
Thought that was Curtis Davies?
It was. That's why he deserved to be packed off to SHA.
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Please god tell me his contract is up at the end of the season?
Indeed it is Initial signing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8190878.stm). Light at the end of the tunnel.
Personally I didn't think he was that bad, and certainly better than Hutton, but when 3 successive managers (including MON who bought him) don't play him he must be doing something catastrophic in training
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The big problem with Beye was giving a 31 year old a 3 year contract, madness. Same with Heskey, we signed him at 31 and gave him a 3 and a half year deal! If we'd given both 2 year deals, we could've got shot of them in the summer.
That and MON still deciding to play Carlos as an RB when we also had L.Young at the club!
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It could so easily have been Liverpool lumbered with Heskey and Beye with Hull instead of us.
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The big problem with Beye was giving a 31 year old a 3 year contract, madness. Same with Heskey, we signed him at 31 and gave him a 3 and a half year deal! If we'd given both 2 year deals, we could've got shot of them in the summer.
That and MON still deciding to play Carlos as an RB when we also had L.Young at the club!
Problem with that is no 31 year old player is going to take a two year deal.
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The big problem with Beye was giving a 31 year old a 3 year contract, madness. Same with Heskey, we signed him at 31 and gave him a 3 and a half year deal! If we'd given both 2 year deals, we could've got shot of them in the summer.
That and MON still deciding to play Carlos as an RB when we also had L.Young at the club!
Problem with that is no 31 year old player is going to take a two year deal.
I think most 31 year old players won't get offered more than a two year deal, and unless it's an exceptional player (or a keeper), most teams who want to compete and understand the notion of money being finite wouldn't be so stupid as to offer such a staggeringly average player such a good deal.
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isn't it Wenger policy that players over 30 will only get offered one year deals?
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The big problem with Beye was giving a 31 year old a 3 year contract, madness. Same with Heskey, we signed him at 31 and gave him a 3 and a half year deal! If we'd given both 2 year deals, we could've got shot of them in the summer.
That and MON still deciding to play Carlos as an RB when we also had L.Young at the club!
Problem with that is no 31 year old player is going to take a two year deal.
I think most 31 year old players won't get offered more than a two year deal, and unless it's an exceptional player (or a keeper), most teams who want to compete and understand the notion of money being finite wouldn't be so stupid as to offer such a staggeringly average player such a good deal.
I don't defend the ability of the player or the decision to sign him, just that no 31 year old under an existing PL contract is going to move for only a two year deal.
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Really? Bolton under Big Sam were giving loads of foreign 30 years olds 1 or 2 year deals.
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Just checked. When Owen moved to Manure in 2009 (the year of us signing Heskey and Beye) he was given a 2 year deal which was extended by a year this summer. At the time he wasn't even 30.
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Big Sam signed bosmans for Bolton, who would take what they could get, and his injury record was why Owen could only get 2 years.
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Can't see it doing Doncaster any good in the long term.
They're just trying to do all the can to survive in the Championship this season. "Long term" can wait.
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The big problem with Beye was giving a 31 year old a 3 year contract, madness. Same with Heskey, we signed him at 31 and gave him a 3 and a half year deal! If we'd given both 2 year deals, we could've got shot of them in the summer.
That and MON still deciding to play Carlos as an RB when we also had L.Young at the club!
Problem with that is no 31 year old player is going to take a two year deal.
I think most 31 year old players won't get offered more than a two year deal, and unless it's an exceptional player (or a keeper), most teams who want to compete and understand the notion of money being finite wouldn't be so stupid as to offer such a staggeringly average player such a good deal.
I don't defend the ability of the player or the decision to sign him, just that no 31 year old under an existing PL contract is going to move for only a two year deal.
Well in that case, don't buy 31 year olds who still have contract time left, then.
Beye joined us when he had less than a year of his Newcastle deal left, and was less than two months off turning 32 years old.
I bet he couldn't believe his luck when he got offered 40k till the age of almost 35.
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Got another one, Gallas moved to Spurs last summer and pretty sure they only gave him a 1 year deal which they extended once he started playing for them.
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Personally I didn't think he was that bad, and certainly better than Hutton, but when 3 successive managers (including MON who bought him) don't play him he must be doing something catastrophic in training
..or more likely, doing nothing in training.
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He was actually a very good player at Newcastle but at 31 he should never have been signed on a 3 year deal. I thought he came in and played well in a few games last year, Sunderland away for one, but then Luke Young came back from injury and he got his place back. Again if we had a CEO who had the first clue about football, Beye would never have been signed on that money. A panic signing by MON with Luke Young ruled out but after a few games he picked Cuellar again anyway. Was similar with Shorey bought straight after Bouma got injured and out of favour 6 matches later.
Must be up there for the worst MON signing.
Shorey
Sidwell
Harewood
Heskey
Warnock
Maloney
There must be a few more that I cant or wont recall.
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That McKay is going to get lots of " big names " in at Doncaster, think he's got the Left Back from West Ham there ( Ilunga is it ?? ), Diouf, Pires turned them down last week too..
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Maloney was o.k, won us a few points with free kicks and was a decent player to bring off the bench. Didn't we also make a profit on him when he went back to Celtic?
Edit: Warnock played very well under MON aswell, well until the cup final.
I'd say Shorey was the worst out of that lot and showed up the lack of european scouting as we certainly could've got a similar player from europe for half of his transfer fee and probably wages.
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Beye, Heskey and Cuellar will be on frees.
Dunne, Warnock and Collins will only have a year left. I imagine Dunne and Warnock will be easy to shift (last big deals in the North West?)
That's well over £10m a year off the wage bill. Then we can really begin to rebuild.
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Petrov will only have 1 year left on his deal aswell.
I think once he look safe and get close to 40 points (which despite the doom and gloom currently I would expect sometime in March) then I'd start properly playing a lot of the young players.
Hopefully a couple like Gardner and Wiemann would step up so that can make it easier to let go of the likes of heskey without having to sign a replacment.
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There needs to be a fresh start and I'm sure even if AM privately felt that way, publicly he 1) has to come out in support of the players he has got, and 2) he knows the club just wasn't going to write off a bunch of contracts for underperforming players on fat deals.
He has to tread carefully, but at the same time have some guts in dropping players that simply aren't doing the job. He can call it rotation for all I care.
We need to see this season out and next summer start a proper cull of the remaining dead weight in the squad. Not saying everyone that is approaching their sell by date but a solid chunk of it. The future is our academy and led by future skipper (IMO) Gary Gardner.
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Can't see it doing Doncaster any good in the long term.
They're just trying to do all the can to survive in the Championship this season. "Long term" can wait.
By all accounts, it is a medium to long term plan. The idea is to cut the clubs wage bill by at least 50% by shifting out the high earners (look for Sharp and Coppinger leaving in january among others) and replacing them with loan players from europe. A few French and Spanish clubs have already got agreements in place with Rovers, out of favour players come in for 6-12 months get a few games so scouts can see them play and Doncaster get a percentage of the transfer fee, and Willie McKay gets his agents fee.
FIFA and UEFA have both given approval for this plan (tells you everything) international loans are unlimited so Doncaster fans could be watching 11 loan players take the field for them by the end of January.
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He was actually a very good player at Newcastle but at 31 he should never have been signed on a 3 year deal. I thought he came in and played well in a few games last year, Sunderland away for one, but then Luke Young came back from injury and he got his place back. Again if we had a CEO who had the first clue about football, Beye would never have been signed on that money. A panic signing by MON with Luke Young ruled out but after a few games he picked Cuellar again anyway. Was similar with Shorey bought straight after Bouma got injured and out of favour 6 matches later.
Must be up there for the worst MON signing.
Shorey
Sidwell
Harewood
Heskey
Warnock
Maloney
There must be a few more that I cant or wont recall.
May I suggest Curtis Davies at £10m?
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Marc-Antoine Fortune has gone now. Surely the side for the fans is unrecognisable.
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He was actually a very good player at Newcastle but at 31 he should never have been signed on a 3 year deal. I thought he came in and played well in a few games last year, Sunderland away for one, but then Luke Young came back from injury and he got his place back. Again if we had a CEO who had the first clue about football, Beye would never have been signed on that money. A panic signing by MON with Luke Young ruled out but after a few games he picked Cuellar again anyway. Was similar with Shorey bought straight after Bouma got injured and out of favour 6 matches later.
Must be up there for the worst MON signing.
Shorey
Sidwell
Harewood
Heskey
Warnock
Maloney
There must be a few more that I cant or wont recall.
May I suggest Curtis Davies at £10m?
aye. in a bucketful of shite, Davies has to be up there as the biggest turd. Beye's more irritating that expensive