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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: We Love You on November 10, 2011, 07:39:08 PM
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Following the example of supporters planning to attend the Wolves v Sunderland game on 4th December some Villa fans have decided to plan their own protest against modern football.
At the game against Manchester United on Saturday 3rd December Villa fans plan to remain silent for the first 5 minutes of the game, we will not applaud the players on their entrance onto the pitch, we will not sing our lungs out for the side, we will not cheer any goal or heckle any refereeing decision.
In protest at rising ticket prices and the commodification of football which has priced the average fan out the game whilst lavishing riches on agents, directors and players we will show the world what football would be like without the fans.
Plans are in their embryonic stages, but the idea will be for home and away supporters to remain silent for the first 5 minutes of this match, bring banners expressing your disatisfaction at how our game has been sold off. Once the 5 minutes is up we'll launch into a chorus of a chosen song and lift the roof off VP.
Like i say this in in it's early stages so please propose any ideas.
More information on the Tack Back the Game cause can be found here
http://www.takebackthegame.org/
Facebook group
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=292333480787217
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Looks good on paper (or a website), but I just can't see enough people joining in to give it the platform it deserves.
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Why not applaud the players onto the pitch? Wouldn't it be better to wait until the whistle is blown?
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I sit in L2 - I'm in.
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Legion - because that is a big noise that always comes across VP so that WILL be noticed if it didn't happen, like i said the players will also notice a difference when we erupt on 5 mins.
Good stuff mate, pass it around the lads who sit near you before the game or if there about to sing, tell them about it during it etc.
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Legion - because that is a big noise that always comes across VP so that WILL be noticed if it didn't happen, like i said the players will also notice a difference when we erupt on 5 mins.
So when does your 5 minutes start then?
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When 5 mins on the clock we will get back to normality.
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Count me in
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Added to our FB (https://www.facebook.com/handv) page and associated Twitter feed.
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Excellent mate, cheers.
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When 5 mins on the clock we will get back to normality.
So start it on the whistle then?
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I can guarantee the Mancs will ruin it.
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When 5 mins on the clock we will get back to normality.
So start it on the whistle then?
Its still in early stages so things like this will be discussed, i still think it would be better to not applaud and show the huge difference.
I hope the mancs don't, even if they do we at least show that WE love our club and don't want it to be the comercial thing that United has became.
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Good idea but the plastic mans will in be their usual arseholed state got no chance.
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If you dont like modern football , then dont pay for tickets to watch it.
Protests & banners will do nothing.
Oh & cancel your Sky Subscription .
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So we should just give in and not go to the team we love and adore and have done through thick and thin? I wouldn't be able to go long.
Protests and banners do a lot.
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I'd rather take back the game by beating Man Utd.
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So we should just give in and not go to the team we love and adore and have done through thick and thin? I wouldn't be able to go long.
Protests and banners do a lot.
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/PA-3362104.jpg)
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I'd rather take back the game by beating Man Utd.
We can do both, hopefully erupting at the same time will get the ground bouncing for a lot longer.
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Love the idea. Had already cancelled my Sky. Missing it but pi**ed off with them owning and running the game. Will try to do it....but if we score in the first 5 minutes I won't be able to remain silent! Fact!
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So we should just give in and not go to the team we love and adore and have done through thick and thin?
Love & adore through thick & thin .... So what you protesting about again ?
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Fuck off, Luke. It won't be organised by then but a silent, backs to the pitch response, would be the ideal protest.
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The idea is good but I cant see it working. Cerainly not at when the players come out..i just dont believe the majority of the ground will not clap/cheer when they do. Especially against United!
BUT
what about doing it in the second half? Its more likely to work then ? Including when the teams come out?
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If a screamer makes the Newton Heath bulge from 30 yards I'll eat my hat and everybody else's if everyone keeps schtum.
A far more effective tactic would be to pile into the ground 10 minutes late, masses of empty seats can't be ignored by the TV companies, even if they try and blame it on traffic, and the subsequent disruption all around the ground as thousands take their place while the game is in progress will also be picked up by the cameras.
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That is a good idea Nev and was spoke about but like i said this is a good start, if we can do this we can do most..
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Fuck off, Luke.
Thanks.
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Turn up between 55 and 70 minutes, then fuck off would be better but you will never coordinate that.
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It needs flyers with a simple symbol on one side for people to hold up- like the £ protest. Getting loads of these out to people as they go into the ground is the only way to get the word to enough people & get them on board.
I think the manu fans will be as up for it as us if they were included in the planning. They are the most ripped off fans in the league. They have more KOs moved, & they pay top whack for tickets everywhere they go.
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I really think that this is not the way to go about it. If anything, this will just be detrimental to the team.
Banners and post/pre game protests? Sure. They send the message. But all that's gonna happen is that we're gonna look like shit fans. Sorry lads, but I'll be there and won't be taking part, it'll sure be interesting to see what happens though!
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If we have picked the idea up from Wolves v Sunderlamd then chances are that other fans will too. If this goes national in the next 3 weeks we'll look more shit for not doing it!
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Quite a lot of fans are doing it mate.
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Can there be a similar protest in January when Randy doesn't spend the GDP of a small country on a solid player and pay him more than what we make in a year to play for one week?
Because somehow that ALSO gets people mad...
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Man Utd won't cooperate with this. The glory hunters are quite happy with things the way they are . Good idea, different game
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Man Utd won't cooperate with this. The glory hunters are quite happy with things the way they are . Good idea, different game
That surprises me. Over the years Manchester United supporters have usually been very pro-active in supporter protests.
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Man Utd won't cooperate with this. The glory hunters are quite happy with things the way they are . Good idea, different game
That surprises me. Over the years Manchester United supporters have usually been very pro-active in supporter protests.
Take a look at the away fans that follow Newton Heath and the ones that frequent Old Trafford, the difference couldn't be more stark. They will probably agree with the protest but will refuse to take part 'cos they didn't think of it first.
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I always got the impression that Man U fans were quite happy with the unlevel playing field .Saying that I don't think I know a single Man U fan that comes from Manchester
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I don't normally say anything for the first five minutes anyway - it's usually about ten before I start moaning when a professional footballer earning an obscene amount of money fails to control a ball or misplaces a ten-yard pass.
So count me in!
Hang on though... can I still tut when the kick-off is hit straight out of play?
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I'm not sure on this. I don't know if it will work and for this game I'd like to see a full VP right behind the team from start to finish.
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Fuck off, Luke.
Thanks.
That's out of order.
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What happens if we score before the 5th minute?
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What happens if we score before the 5th minute?
Not sure thats going to be too much of an issue.
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I'm against this idea but haven't yet come up with the right words for a full post.
Maybe when I wake up a bit more
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If you dont like modern football , then dont pay for tickets to watch it.
Protests & banners will do nothing.
Oh & cancel your Sky Subscription .
That's the spirit.
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As we are likely to be a goal or two down by the five minute mark there may not be a lot to shout about anyway.
Having said that I think it's a good initiative and I saw something similar was done pretty effectively in a recent Stockholm derby. If it worked it would be interesting to see how Sky and the rest of the media reported on it.
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Seems a bit pointless to me. It's not going to persuade any clubs to lower prices or convince the FA/PL not to run the league as a money making exercise. But fair play for at least attempting something.
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I always got the impression that Man U fans were quite happy with the unlevel playing field .Saying that I don't think I know a single Man U fan that comes from Manchester
Well, you don't live in Manchester so that's hardly surprising. I used to work with loads of them in Manchester. Of course they've got country and worldwide support, but if you think that most of Manchester doesn't support a team in its own city* that is so successful you're way off.
* Yes I know that Old Trafford is actually in Trafford.
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I always got the impression that Man U fans were quite happy with the unlevel playing field .Saying that I don't think I know a single Man U fan that comes from Manchester
Well, you don't live in Manchester so that's hardly surprising. I used to work with loads of them in Manchester. Of course they've got country and worldwide support, but if you think that most of Manchester doesn't support a team in its own city* that is so successful you're way off.
* Yes I know that Old Trafford is actually in Trafford.
I know that but my argument is is it's not really an appropriate game as Man U do not suffer with modern football as they can practically buy who they want and win bloody everything.Aston Villa v Everton would be a more appropriate game in my view
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I'd like to see 'Scudamore Out' banners at every PL ground. Easy to set up, direct and personal, attack the man at the top who is more responsible than anybody for what is wrong with the game today.
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I'd like to see 'Scudamore Out' banners at every PL ground. Easy to set up, direct and personal, attack the man at the top who is more responsible than anybody for what is wrong with the game today.
I think the Bosman ruling has done as much harm to the game as Sky.
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Fuck off, Luke.
Thanks.
That's out of order.
That's out of order.
Thanks.
Fuck off, Luke.
Is that better?
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Fuck off, Luke.
Thanks.
That's out of order.
That's out of order.
Thanks.
Fuck off, Luke.
Is that better?
It's a cracker!
Order! Order!
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Silence is a hard thing to pull off without a lot of publicity. Just like a few people booing can sound like half the crowd, any partial participation in a "silence" will just sound like crap support. It has to be full participation or nothing (which is why I'm still a "maybe" on the fb invites)
This will take a lot more hard work to pull off than simply starting a facebook group. We seriously need stuff like flyers, and people giving them out before the game. For a "silence" to feel like fun rather than torture, people need to interact with it. Having something to hold up is probably better than asking people to turn their backs, because (other than Man City supporters) people generally like to see the game!
I also believe that Man U fans will be up for this, but someone will have to tell them!!!
There are 3 weeks - does anyone have any ideas for raising the profile of this? Or for a symbol or short phrase that could go on a flyer to be held up, or suggested for banners?
We got the official site to push the "bring a flag/scarf" thing but I doubt they'll go with us on this one!
I am trying to think of stuff myself, but feel short of inspiration. I'm hoping someone else might be feeling creative and could make this actually fly.
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We could all dress up as Marcel Marceau and even if we do score we could just mime the celebration.
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A Sky Sports logo in a sign like a no entry one?
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We could all dress up as Marcel Marceau and even if we do score we could just mime the celebration.
Love this!
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A Sky Sports logo in a sign like a no entry one?
....but this could actually work - in a no entry sign or maybe on a red card?
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So you're protesting against modern football and ticket prices yet you'll be sat in the ground watching modern football having paid up to £47 for a ticket? Good one. Want to protest? Stay away. Even rocking up ten minutes into the game would be better and the first ten minutes played out in front of an empty stadium on Sky.
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Could always do what the Lazio (I think) fans did a couple of seasons ago and not enter the ground until 20 minutes of the game has been played. I saw it on TV and it was quite eerie.
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A silent, backs to the pitch response, would be the ideal protest.
Agreed.
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Could always do what the Lazio (I think) fans did a couple of seasons ago and not enter the ground until 20 minutes of the game has been played. I saw it on TV and it was quite eerie.
That would be slightly better than this silly idea. 'We've got Sky subscriptions and we've paid up to £47 to sit here but we're going to be silent for five minutes so ner ner ner ner'. I bet Sky and Chairmen are shitting themselves. Surely you can see the irony of protesting against modern football and then sitting in a ground watching modern football for £40 a throw? The only way to lower ticket prices is to stay away, if the ground is half empty the prices would soon drop. Staying silent for five minutes won't lower prices because you've still paid for a ticket.
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So you're protesting against modern football and ticket prices yet you'll be sat in the ground watching modern football having paid up to £47 for a ticket? Good one. Want to protest? Stay away. Even rocking up ten minutes into the game would be better and the first ten minutes played out in front of an empty stadium on Sky.
Have to agree. Like going on strike but still doing a 40 hour week. Only thing that will make them take notice is when it hurts them in their pockets
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I'm afraid this is all a bit silly. A silent protest? What next, self immolation?
Football clubs take your money and don't give a monkeys whether you shout yourself hoarse or sit down in silence with your cup of bovril. You're an arse on a seat.
The only possible means of protest has started already, and that is the dwindling fanbases of Premier League football clubs.
This is the worst idea since some fuckwit decided that 'The Bells Are Ringing' would sound good as a John Farnham-esque ballad.
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I consider it to be like actually going to the polling station and abataining, rather than simply not voting. It says that my non participation is because I am pissed off, not simply because I don't care.
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I'm afraid this is all a bit silly. A silent protest? What next, self immolation?
Football clubs take your money and don't give a monkeys whether you shout yourself hoarse or sit down in silence with your cup of bovril. You're an arse on a seat.
The only possible means of protest has started already, and that is the dwindling fanbases of Premier League football clubs.
This is the worst idea since some fuckwit decided that 'The Bells Are Ringing' would sound good as a John Farnham-esque ballad.
Said fuckwits, on a website not a million miles from here, are to this day under the impression that they ousted doug with a few protests and banner waiving outside the north stand. However, as we've seen with united's hugely unsuccessful green and gold protest and liverpools shankly movement, international business men rarely take note of a raging hoard of hairy arsed knuckle dragging protesters so the notion of a silent demonstration is somewhat ironic. The power will only be gained by teams playing games out in front of half empty stadiums which will devalue the product for those bidding for tv rights and advertising space. The other irony of this is that the man u game will probably be witnessed by our first full house this season.
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Anyway, I thought BCV wasn't going because of McLeish rather than because of the prices.
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I'd like to see 'Scudamore Out' banners at every PL ground. Easy to set up, direct and personal, attack the man at the top who is more responsible than anybody for what is wrong with the game today.
I think the Bosman ruling has done as much harm to the game as Sky.
Damn this free movement of labour idea
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Remember the balloon initiative on here a couple of years back to invoke memories of the 70s and all those great away trips to places like Derby and Southampton? I turned up to the Everton home game with my family clutching hand fulls of claret and blue balloons which took me ages to source on the internet. I think I was the only person in the North Stand with said balloons and I spotted just a few clusters elsewhere in the ground.
Won't work, forget it...
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Football clubs take your money and don't give a monkeys whether you shout yourself hoarse or sit down in silence with your cup of bovril. You're an arse on a seat.
Hits the nail bang on the head for me.
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I'd be surprised if United fans weren't up for something. If anything they're bigger victims of the commercialisation of football than anyone, stupid KO times, most expensive away tickets, higher season ticket prices, forced to buy games for cup matches, don't like it then there's a queue of Range Rovers coming up the M6 for your season ticket.
Just don't think a silence will work, not enough people will participate for it to be noticed. Maybe stay in the concourse for the first 5? Outside the ground?
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Given the number of people who think its a daft idea, there is no way a silience can work. Need to think again.
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People have come up with brilliant ideas, to all that are saying they take your money dont care etc. you are right, but if we can do this we can do almost anything. This is a start not the end.
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Silent protest? This has been taking place at Villa Park for about 6 seasons.
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It is a good idea. Staying away is all very well but the tipping point has passed and on that basis we are just letting the game die for all but the top few clubs. Only our own club will care whether we are there or not but if we can do stuff that messes up their coverage in some way, that would be better. I remember when we did the £ protest they used to show people in the crowd on the big screen but they couldnt get the camera anywhere without the £s popping up!
Thats the kind of thing we need. The silence is a good idea but very ambitious and fails without total compliance. Can we try for the silence but back it up with something visual?
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Drop our trousers?
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I consider it to be like actually going to the polling station and abataining, rather than simply not voting. It says that my non participation is because I am pissed off, not simply because I don't care.
Which is what I have done for the last 10 years
Vote with a spoilt ballot paper - what the f*** else can I do?
We can only register our displeasure - and keep doing so in as many ways as we can - engage with the process?
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Tent city in the centre circle anyone?
;-)
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Drop our trousers?
You first!
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Everybody standing in the concourse for the first ten would be much better. A sky game shown globally with the team coming out to an empty stadium would work much better.
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Sky tv would probably bring their own canned crowd noise to play over it.
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Sky tv would probably bring their own canned crowd noise to play over it.
I've wondered about how Sky 'enhance' games. Few weeks/months ago Sky Sports was free for a weekend. Watched QPR Villa and also a championship game on BBC [think one of the teams was Forest]. Different leagues and channels but the Sky coverage seemed 'glossier' - which doesn't necessarily equate to better.
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Everybody standing in the concourse for the first ten would be much better. A sky game shown globally with the team coming out to an empty stadium would work much better.
This also has the added benefit of extra drinking time! My only worry is that the overall effect would be 'traffic delays'. Also if you are taking kids I think a game of how long can we all stay quiet might be easier than missing the start. Whenever I ve had kids with me they can't wait to get put into the stands (then 5 minutes later they want to go back in for chips)
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A 'Bring your own food' day? Just a thought
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I'm commemorating the day by getting pissed up with a load of whinging Brummies and a couple of blokes from the Faroe Islands.
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What if we score?
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What if we score?
We'll lose five-one.
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Following the example of supporters planning to attend the Wolves v Sunderland game on 4th December some Villa fans have decided to plan their own protest against modern football.
At the game against Manchester United on Saturday 3rd December Villa fans plan to remain silent for the first 5 minutes of the game, we will not applaud the players on their entrance onto the pitch, we will not sing our lungs out for the side, we will not cheer any goal or heckle any refereeing decision.
In protest at rising ticket prices and the commodification of football which has priced the average fan out the game whilst lavishing riches on agents, directors and players we will show the world what football would be like without the fans.
Plans are in their embryonic stages, but the idea will be for home and away supporters to remain silent for the first 5 minutes of this match, bring banners expressing your disatisfaction at how our game has been sold off. Once the 5 minutes is up we'll launch into a chorus of a chosen song and lift the roof off VP.
Like i say this in in it's early stages so please propose any ideas.
More information on the Tack Back the Game cause can be found here
http://www.takebackthegame.org/
Facebook group
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=292333480787217
If you want to "Take Back the Game" then be "Happy With What You Get". The pressure to succeed and please the fans translates into more spending which then dictates a raise in the cost of tickets. If you have asked to get a new players, get a new manager, fire a player you are then part of the problem.
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Drop our trousers?
You first!
It'll end up like a Brian Rix Whitehall farce.
Ahh... no change there then.
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Horrible idea, it won't do anything.
Don't get me wrong, I support the idea completely, I just don't think this is an effective way to go about it.
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Horrible idea,
Don't get me wrong, I support the idea completely.
Glad that's all cleared up then.
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Horrible idea,
Don't get me wrong, I support the idea completely.
Glad that's all cleared up then.
That made me chuckle. Meant that I hate this particular idea of protest, but back the 'movement' or whatever you want to call it.
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Anyway, I thought BCV wasn't going because of McLeish rather than because of the prices.
Nah, he doesn't go because he's making a stand against seating.