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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TimTheVillain on November 06, 2011, 02:48:35 PM
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JJ looks like he can be 'the difference' for us in the middle from the 15 minutes I saw yesterday.
Alongside Petrov, these two have the makings of a great complimentary pair.
I really liked the way he strode forward from the middle of the park - he just could be a top quality loanee this season.
UTV
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Where I sit that was the general conclusion we came up with but we all said the same thing that Tottenham will either want him back if he comes good and will do a Kyle on us or alternatively the better he plays for us the more likely it is that we will not be able to afford his price tag.
It is the ultimate curse of being dependent on loan players.
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Je-nas or Jee-nas?
That is the question.
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The answer is not Jenus.
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I think I would rather my name rhymed with "menace" than "penis".
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I'm sure he's a good player, I just hope if he is good for us we can keep him.
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I agree, he had a confidence and a prescence as soon as he came on.
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I think I would rather my name rhymed with "menace" than "penis".
I thought your name was Chris?
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I think I would rather my name rhymed with "menace" than "penis".
I thought your name was Chris?
Yes. Luckily that doesn't rhyme with anything insulting.
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Samantha Janus must be grateful her last name doesn't rhyme with anything either.
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Samantha Janus must be grateful her last name doesn't rhyme with anything either.
Her name is Womack. Strange she didn't keep her maiden name like a lot of celebrities...
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Jenus could be a good signing, his mobility and composure on the ball, he is pacy, and has a good pass on him.He needs to be a bit more positive when he gets the ball.
The main man in the midfield though is Herd.The whole balance of the team is based on Herd playing in that holding role.
For me its a midfield of Herd., with Jenas or Petrov, and Bannan or Ireland, with Gardener, Delph etc coming in occasionnaly.
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The main man in the midfield though is Herd.The whole balance of the team is based on Herd playing in that holding role.
You don't think that's an awfully big ask for someone who has played that position for two and a half games for us?
He's doing great at the moment, but let's not make him out to be the next Dennis Mortimer just yet.
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I think Herd has found his niche in the team. He has allowed the midfield, Petrov in particular, to express themselves. Stans overall play is wonderful.
Yesterday I felt Hutton and CN'Z played their best games for the club and started to link up pretty well down the right, it can only get better too.
With a midfield of Herd, Petrov, Jenas and Bannan, with Delf and Gardner waiting their chance it looks quite promising.
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Idid'nt mean the main man ,as in , hes the best thing since sliced bread, but that his role, and atm hes the best at the club in that role, is imperative, as it is the fulcrum of the side.His energy and pace allows him to patrol the midfield, and allow the better footballing midfielders to concentrate on being positive.
You could play Herd and Bannan in midfield, i'm not sure you could play Bannan with Petrov or Jenas.
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I think I would rather my name rhymed with "menace" than "penis".
I thought your name was Chris?
Yes. Luckily that doesn't rhyme with anything insulting.
Chris? You smell of piss.
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If only I could think of some riposte.
Misso, Kisso, Swisso...? No, just can't think of anything.
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Try: Martin likes farting.
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Samantha Janus must be grateful her last name doesn't rhyme with anything either.
I feel sorry for her brother Hugh.
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i think jenas will start to take petrov postion, but while he is getting up to speed he will come on for petrov over next few months. this will also give petrov much needed rest
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Where I sit that was the general conclusion we came up with but we all said the same thing that Tottenham will either want him back if he comes good and will do a Kyle on us or alternatively the better he plays for us the more likely it is that we will not be able to afford his price tag.
It is the ultimate curse of being dependent on loan players.
He's out of contract at the end of the season, so we're test driving him now. Could turn out to be a good bit of business.
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Jenas; here's hoping he's an injury-free Genius & unwanted by Tottingham.
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You'd think that we would have a buy-clause in the loan deal after the how Walker turned out.
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I'm your Jenus, I'm your fire
At your desire
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i think jenas will start to take petrov postion, but while he is getting up to speed he will come on for petrov over next few months. this will also give petrov much needed rest
Think you'll find it could be Heskeys roll he'll come in for, like Saturday.
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Let's hope so.
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If he is out of contract at the end of the season and we want to keep him bang goes our wage structure especially if we decide to keep Emile as a replacement for Shay Given.
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The economic climate is hopefully changing, so whilst Jenas' negotiation position is pretty strong I reckon 45k could get him with a decent signing on fee.
First he has to prove he is good enough and not too injury prone.
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He still has a year left with spurs after this season.
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...he's also shit like Hutton.
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...he's also shit like Hutton.
???????? - you're certainly full of love and joy today.
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...he's also shit like Hutton.
He's not even close.
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I sometimes wonder when reading these posts, 'When do these guys get off?'
I know it's about opinions, and I respect everyones opinion, but some opinions are based, purely, on their dislike of a particular player. Whatever they do it's not good enough.
I thought every player, who started, played well. Hutton and CN'Z played their best games and were linking up pretty well, yet there are still some guys moaning.
I often wonder if the team go in at the end of the game and say " What about the support today? Nigel was ok, put loads of effort in. X,Y and Z? (won't bother naming) They were shit, did nothing but moan. Why do they bother turning up?!!"
It was an interesting point made by Gabby on AVTV after the Norwich game.
Words to the effect:
It was nice that the fans got behind us when we went a goal down, they didn't get straight on our backs like they usually do.
I though well said Gabby. Being Villa through and through I bet it hurt him to say that.
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Jenas has the confidence in his ability to move forward with the ball. Looking forward to see what contribution he can make over the coming months. We're going to need a big shift from him.
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He's not my cup of tea as a player and pre-poverty i wasn't too happy when we were linked to him, but times change and he'd have to be completely bobbins if he doesn't add something to a midfield that regularly picks Ivanhoe. As others have said, the problem is he could be great for us and then bugger off back to spurs when they flog modric or go somewhere else more willing to pay a larger wage, and we're back to square one. But maybe with Aston Villa 2011 we can't afford to take the long term view. I thought he was tidy on his debut and there's plenty of encouraging signs he'll make an impact for us
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Jenas isn't out of contract at the end of the season, Spurs took out another year on him & Dawson back in the summer.
He impressed me when he came on.
Unlike Walker, Jenas won't get back in the Spurs side, he's not as good as Parker & Modric. Then they have Sandro & Huddlestone. Also Krancjar & Pienaar who can also be 'attacking' midfielders.
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He's not my cup of tea as a player and pre-poverty i wasn't too happy when we were linked to him, but times change and he'd have to be completely bobbins if he doesn't add something to a midfield that regularly picks Ivanhoe.
Spot on Greg. And to the person above who compared him to Hutton, that's way off mark. Jenas did more in 5 minutes than Hutton has all season. Hutton is abysmal.
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Jenas isn't out of contract at the end of the season, Spurs took out another year on him & Dawson back in the summer.
He impressed me when he came on.
Unlike Walker, Jenas won't get back in the Spurs side, he's not as good as Parker & Modric. Then they have Sandro & Huddlestone. Also Krancjar & Pienaar who can also be 'attacking' midfielders.
Walker was playing at Villa for his Spurs future. Jenas is at Villa playing for a transfer.
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He's not my cup of tea as a player and pre-poverty i wasn't too happy when we were linked to him, but times change and he'd have to be completely bobbins if he doesn't add something to a midfield that regularly picks Ivanhoe.
Spot on Greg. And to the person above who compared him to Hutton, that's way off mark. Jenas did more in 5 minutes than Hutton has all season. Hutton is abysmal.
Also at least we are only paying Jenas' wages at the moment. Hutton has cost us £4 million as far as I am aware, and we can't send him back.
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Jenas was very assured on his debut. I think he is going to be very good for us. I think Hutton has been awful. Gave away the free kick for there goal and was all over the place for there second goal. Mcleish has got to give someone else a run ...........
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Seems to me like Hutton is turning into the Villa fans favourite person ( scapegoat ) the first goal saturday was not a foul and then you cant blame him for the lad hitting the best freekick he ever has and for the second goal he was fouled and it was more Irelands pathetic attempt to cover for him that cost us the goal
i will admit he is no John Gidman ( for those old enough to remember ) or even a Kyle Walker but some of us need to realise where we are and what we can afford these days
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Hutton has steadily improved with more playing time I'd say which is what you would expect of someone who has been away from regular first team football for so long. Still some way to go of course, but he's improved.
Jenas could make an impact for us I reckon. He's a good, technically gifted midfielder who has lost his way at Spurs. The reality is Spurs have moved on and are shopping in a different league now and Redknapp clearly doesn't want him - that view might change when a new manager comes in and Harry makes the inevitable move to the England job though.
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What is the status with Licaj?
He has played some good games for us and the US.
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Injured at the moment.
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Seems to me like Hutton is turning into the Villa fans favourite person ( scapegoat ) the first goal saturday was not a foul and then you cant blame him for the lad hitting the best freekick he ever has and for the second goal he was fouled and it was more Irelands pathetic attempt to cover for him that cost us the goal
i will admit he is no John Gidman ( for those old enough to remember ) or even a Kyle Walker but some of us need to realise where we are and what we can afford these days
well said he was actually lying on the floor injured when the 2nd goal went in !
Its wrong to constantly blame him for everything, okay its not the best of starts but give him a chance.
Collins has been in the team for ages but still insists on hitting long balls up field when he cant pass and constantly losses his man in the box but doesnt seem to get any stick!
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I think that if the crowd gets behind a player, or at least gives them a chance, they will play better. Anyone disagree with that?
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Seems to me like Hutton is turning into the Villa fans favourite person ( scapegoat ) the first goal saturday was not a foul and then you cant blame him for the lad hitting the best freekick he ever has and for the second goal he was fouled and it was more Irelands pathetic attempt to cover for him that cost us the goal
i will admit he is no John Gidman ( for those old enough to remember ) or even a Kyle Walker but some of us need to realise where we are and what we can afford these days
well said he was actually lying on the floor injured when the 2nd goal went in !
Its wrong to constantly blame him for everything, okay its not the best of starts but give him a chance.
Collins has been in the team for ages but still insists on hitting long balls up field when he cant pass and constantly losses his man in the box but doesnt seem to get any stick!
He's also made more blocks than any other player in the league this season*. He does get stick for his dreadful hoofs, but the fact that he's also a pretty decent defender is why it's something that most people are prepared to put up with.
*or at least he had until last weekend's games.
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We really don't have a clue about him as yet. The little cameo was OK but please wait till post Xmas before making a judgement.
We should try this line up for the next few games.
Petrov, Herd,
Nzogbia Jenas
Gabby
Bent
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It says on the OS that he picked up another Achilles injury on Saturday
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I think Aftab's line up is how we have to shape up now. What a shame Delph or Bannan didn't make themselves undroppable as a decent left footer would add more balance.
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Can the thread title be changed to the correct spelling.
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Jermaine J-anus
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German Jesus
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J-Man Genius
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Didn't that Germaine Jenus bint write The Fee Male U Knock or some such?
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He looked decent on Saturday and my word we do need a central midfield who can actually run into the box from time to time.
That said Sidwell was doing this in his early games and look how that turned out.
Jenas won't get a look in at Spurs and I think he has 18 months on his contract so they'll probably sell him for 3-4m in the summer, similar to Hutton.
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Can the thread title be changed to the correct spelling.
Done.
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Good man.
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Seems to me like Hutton is turning into the Villa fans favourite person ( scapegoat ) the first goal saturday was not a foul and then you cant blame him for the lad hitting the best freekick he ever has and for the second goal he was fouled and it was more Irelands pathetic attempt to cover for him that cost us the goal
i will admit he is no John Gidman ( for those old enough to remember ) or even a Kyle Walker but some of us need to realise where we are and what we can afford these days
well said he was actually lying on the floor injured when the 2nd goal went in !
Its wrong to constantly blame him for everything, okay its not the best of starts but give him a chance.
Collins has been in the team for ages but still insists on hitting long balls up field when he cant pass and constantly losses his man in the box but doesnt seem to get any stick!
Think you will find Hutton did make a foul on the edge of the box ie free kick (goal) and the second goal Hutton never got close enough to the player to even make a challenge. Collins has many times put his body in front of shots and has made some decisive headers in many situations.I wanted Hutton to turn all the negative comments given from spurs fans. But he has been terrible .........
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Seems to me like Hutton is turning into the Villa fans favourite person ( scapegoat ) the first goal saturday was not a foul and then you cant blame him for the lad hitting the best freekick he ever has and for the second goal he was fouled and it was more Irelands pathetic attempt to cover for him that cost us the goal
i will admit he is no John Gidman ( for those old enough to remember ) or even a Kyle Walker but some of us need to realise where we are and what we can afford these days
well said he was actually lying on the floor injured when the 2nd goal went in !
Its wrong to constantly blame him for everything, okay its not the best of starts but give him a chance.
Collins has been in the team for ages but still insists on hitting long balls up field when he cant pass and constantly losses his man in the box but doesnt seem to get any stick!
Think you will find Hutton did make a foul on the edge of the box ie free kick (goal) and the second goal Hutton never got close enough to the player to even make a challenge. Collins has many times put his body in front of shots and has made some decisive headers in many situations.I wanted Hutton to turn all the negative comments given from spurs fans. But he has been terrible .........
It's hard to make a challenge when you're on the floor injured halfway up the pitch.
The scapegoat you're looking for for the 2nd goal is Stephen Ireland, a man(?) more than worthy of it.