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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: mr-villa on October 24, 2011, 07:36:44 PM
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Am I correct in saying that Roy Hodgson has not come out today and issued an apology to both Chris Herd and Aston Villa for the unfounded accusations he trotted out on MOTD on Saturday night. He stated on national TV that having seen the replay that Chris Herd definitely stamped on Ollsen. Now this has clearly been sorted out through the use of video technology over the weekend but Roy's silence is deafening.
I think he has let his profession down and West Brom as a club also are being made to look bad over this.
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You are correct MrAV, but he isn't going to either.
The defender in question is a cheat, he should be taken to task instead.
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Is Herds card going to be reviewed.
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We've appealed apparently. Fingers crossed. Hopefully they'll ban Hutton instead!
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During that interview on match of the day I came to the conclusion that his head looks like that of an owl, I was waiting for it to do a 360 degree rotation.
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We've appealed apparently. Fingers crossed. Hopefully they'll ban Hutton instead!
Ha, Cuellar must be our RB now.
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For all Cuellar's passing limitations, he looks like Roberto Carlos compared to Hutton.
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Hopefully they'll ban Hutton instead!
Whilst this thread is not another debating forum for the Hutton tackle i can't let that comment go without reply. Alan Hutton arrived at the ball well in advance of Long, took the ball cleanly and his studs were pointing down at the ground throughout. Shane Long was late arriving, knew he couldn't reach the ball first but still decided to go through with the challenge. May I point you to the still frame of the tackle in the daily mail, long has his leg planted, he contributed severely to how this ended.
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I think old Woy went a bit nuts. Totally OTT! Especially over the Hutton tackle and that Long could have had both his legs broken. Sensationalising it for the benefit of TV.
Strange how he didn't say anything about Jones's assault on Zog or the fact that Olssen was holding Herd's foot which led to Herd trying to get away from him and the sending off.
He was embarrassing to the rest of us getting who need our bus passes.
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I think old Woy went a bit nuts. Totally OTT! Especially over the Hutton tackle and that Long could have had both his legs broken. Sensationalising it for the benefit of TV.
Strange how he didn't say anything about Jones's assault on Zog or the fact that Olssen was holding Herd's foot which led to Herd trying to get away from him and the sending off.
He was embarrassing to the rest of us getting who need our bus passes.
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For all Cuellar's passing limitations, he looks like Roberto Carlos compared to Hutton.
That's how I see it, better at CB, but still better than the 'accident waiting to happen, can't cross, is out of position far too often' Hutton.
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Sorry folks! Now I've gone a bit nuts!
UTV!
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We've appealed apparently. Fingers crossed. Hopefully they'll ban Hutton instead!
If his appeal his successful, i'd start him at right back in place of Hutton, who will probably get booked for the first challenge he makes.
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Hopefully they'll ban Hutton instead!
Whilst this thread is not another debating forum for the Hutton tackle i can't let that comment go without reply. Alan Hutton arrived at the ball well in advance of Long, took the ball cleanly and his studs were pointing down at the ground throughout. Shane Long was late arriving, knew he couldn't reach the ball first but still decided to go through with the challenge. May I point you to the still frame of the tackle in the daily mail, long has his leg planted, he contributed severely to how this ended.
Agree 100% mr v!
Tackling's part of the game and at the time I thought it was a good one. So did w**k*r Dowd and every other player. Hutton's booking a bit later was in part reaction to Long pushing him out of play. Isn't that potentially dangerous as well....depending on where you land and how etc etc ???
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Hopefully they'll ban Hutton instead!
Whilst this thread is not another debating forum for the Hutton tackle i can't let that comment go without reply. Alan Hutton arrived at the ball well in advance of Long, took the ball cleanly and his studs were pointing down at the ground throughout. Shane Long was late arriving, knew he couldn't reach the ball first but still decided to go through with the challenge. May I point you to the still frame of the tackle in the daily mail, long has his leg planted, he contributed severely to how this ended.
I think he is asking more on the overall liability of Hutton at the moment more then that challenge. If he is sent off, someone else might play there instead.
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In response to the OP.
YES!
but I ain't holding my breath!
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Indeed a flippant comment! I just don't rate Hutton.
Glad we've appealed though, Herd deserves another start after those 30 mins.
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As for Hodgeson, I lost a lot of respect for him when he said it was a stamp after supposedly seeing a replay. Although as Olson claimed it was he might have told Hodgson that as well so he had a preconception from the start.
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Indeed a flippant comment! I just don't rate Hutton.
Glad we've appealed though, Herd deserves another start after those 30 mins.
Agree.
Plus if the guy knows he's innocent the sooner we get him back on the pitch the better.
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Yes he does but sadly we have got more chance of Heskey signing for Barcelona in the January transfer window and Xavi coming in the opposite direction...
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As for Hodgeson, I lost a lot of respect for him when he said it was a stamp after supposedly seeing a replay. Although as Olson claimed it was he might have told Hodgson that as well so he had a preconception from the start.
Agreed. I always had RH pegged as one of the good guys until this weekend especially after his treatment by the red scouse but he went on telly and spouted absolute bollocks. He should have stuck with the old "referees interpretation" claptrap.
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From that lot you expect class and dignity?
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would you expect any different from other managers? He was wrong about Herd decision and if the Hutton challenge was on a Villa player then the responses on here would be no different to what Hodgson said. Time to get off your high horses and concentrate on what matters.
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He's vewwy, vewwy sowwy.
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He should appologise to the nation for trying to pass himself off as a decent and fair minded man when in reality he's as one eyed as the rest of them (us). To cover up his own players gamesmanship he claimed Herd had stamped and made up the ludicrous story that Long could have had two broken legs.
Wanker.
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The most ridiculous thing that he said was that WBA were controlling the game even before the sending off.
Of course you were Roy.
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The most ridiculous thing that he said was that WBA were controlling the game even before the sending off.
Of course you were Roy.
I'm pretty sure I heard a cuckoo in the background when he said that.
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Like most PL managers Woy is selective in what he sees / says. He'll milk the supposed assault on Long for all he can. But he won't correct his outrageous statement that having seen the replays that was a stamp there.
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Hutton should get banned, Herd should get let off.
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The most ridiculous thing that he said was that WBA were controlling the game even before the sending off.
Of course you were Roy.
I have never liked the fellow, even when I found out his favourite author was the great J P Donleavy. Nonetheless, I have to agree with his strategic analysis of the game, if not the sending off.
I thought we were lopsided, disjointed, and uncoordinated before Herd's dismissal, and it was only a matter of time before we paid the price.
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I've always like Hodgson, so was saddened that he was so categorical in his assessment of the Herd incident. However, its impossible to know what else was going on in his head.
Maybe he was angry at the Hutton tackle and let that spill over into talking about Herd. Maybe Olsson lied to him about it. You can also probably count on one hand the no of occasions in the last 20 years that a manager will admit to a decision being lucky for his team.
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Personally I thought both managers made themselves look bad with their post match interviews.Mcleish should've said something along the lines of Hutton being lucky not to be at least booked and Hodgson could have easily said that the sending off was harsh (even though it was ridiculous).Poor form by both managers.
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Owe us an apology? What a pathetic question. He gave his opinion and saw the tussle one way, the referee saw it that way too. How has Hodgson damaged you personally that an apology is really necessary? I think some people are far too precious and need to man up.
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The only irritation I have is that at the time Olsson did not complain or give any indication of wrongdoing. Afterwards, in press comments, he is claiming that Herd stamped on his thigh. That bollox winds me up more than a rather insignificant manager who looks and sounds like the "man on the omnibus" not a high achiever in the game's top flight.
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The only irritation I have is that at the time Olsson did not complain or give any indication of wrongdoing. Afterwards, in press comments, he is claiming that Herd stamped on his thigh. That bollox winds me up more that a rather insignificant manager who looks and sounds more like the "man on the omnibus" than a high achiever in the game's top flight.
It is annoying. An Albion mate at was talking about it and said regardless of any TV footage, he knew Herd hadn't stamped on Olson, because if he had, Olson would have hit him back. He says he doesnt have much between the ears in that respect. Coming that bollocks after the game is wrong though
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Roy was over the top in his reaction but its an emotional game-no he owes us nothing.
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The only irritation I have is that at the time Olsson did not complain or give any indication of wrongdoing. Afterwards, in press comments, he is claiming that Herd stamped on his thigh. That bollox winds me up more that a rather insignificant manager who looks and sounds more like the "man on the omnibus" than a high achiever in the game's top flight.
It is annoying. An Albion mate at was talking about it and said regardless of any TV footage, he knew Herd hadn't stamped on Olson, because if he had, Olson would have hit him back. He says he doesnt have much between the ears in that respect. Coming that bollocks after the game is wrong though
It certainly won't won't endear Olsson to his fellow pros.Wouldn't expect him to plead with theref at the time but after the game he could have easily said that nothing had happened.It wasn't like he'd rolled around appealing for the penalty.Disappointing.
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No Roy Hodgson does not, but Alex Mcleish does, for sending on Heskey and allowing the team to die in the second half.
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Owe us an apology? What a pathetic question. He gave his opinion and saw the tussle one way, the referee saw it that way too. How has Hodgson damaged you personally that an apology is really necessary? I think some people are far too precious and need to man up.
So lets get this straight - Roy Hodgson falsely claimed he saw Chris Herd deliberately stamp on Olsson, the Ref facing the wrong way did not see Chris Herd stamp on Olsson and sent him off based on his assistants call even though his view was blocked by Olsson so could not have seen a stamp from Chris Herd and to cap it all Olsson said Herd stamped on him which suggests he was either under anaesthetic or not telling the truth. In summary no one saw anything and we got a bloke sent off which surrendered the advantage to Sandwell and ultimately cost us the game, that's not being precious we're just sick of Phil Dowd and his shit refereeing - when will they strike this guy off the list? If it was Man U Ferguson would make sure he was never put in charge of a game at Old Trafford again. To balance this opinion Hutton should have got a straight wed so Woy was 50% wight in his post match comments.
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Roy should do the decent thing and swap places with Mcliesh straight away
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Olson never reacted, how did he cheat? Or did he say he did in the interview, I can't recall.
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Owe us an apology? What a pathetic question. He gave his opinion and saw the tussle one way, the referee saw it that way too. How has Hodgson damaged you personally that an apology is really necessary? I think some people are far too precious and need to man up.
So lets get this straight - Roy Hodgson falsely claimed he saw Chris Herd deliberately stamp on Olsson, the Ref facing the wrong way did not see Chris Herd stamp on Olsson and sent him off based on his assistants call even though his view was blocked by Olsson so could not have seen a stamp from Chris Herd and to cap it all Olsson said Herd stamped on him which suggests he was either under anaesthetic or not telling the truth. In summary no one saw anything and we got a bloke sent off which surrendered the advantage to Sandwell and ultimately cost us the game, that's not being precious we're just sick of Phil Dowd and his shit refereeing - when will they strike this guy off the list? If it was Man U Ferguson would make sure he was never put in charge of a game at Old Trafford again. To balance this opinion Hutton should have got a straight wed so Woy was 50% wight in his post match comments.
Oh woe is me. Life in general contains it's fair share of disappointments, lost opportunities and injustices, nowhere more evident than in sport. To gnash teeth and wring hands 3 days after the event, declaring that so and so owes Villa supporters or the club an apology for making comments that hurt or injure noone is, quite frankly, pathetic and precious. Yes, I don't think there are many other words for it. But if it really is the end of your world, then you go ahead and continue to complain to the internet. I dare say Herd is a little more philosophical about these things than some fans and their deluded sense of finite justice.
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Appeal won according to OS.
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Olson never reacted, how did he cheat? Or did he say he did in the interview, I can't recall.
In the MOTD interview he said that if you asked Chris Herd he'd agree it was a foul.Made a bit of a bellend of himself there.
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Now that the card has been rescinded he certainly does owe us an apology, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for one
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Oh woe is me. Life in general contains it's fair share of disappointments, lost opportunities and injustices, nowhere more evident than in sport. To gnash teeth and wring hands 3 days after the event, declaring that so and so owes Villa supporters or the club an apology for making comments that hurt or injure noone is, quite frankly, pathetic and precious. Yes, I don't think there are many other words for it. But if it really is the end of your world, then you go ahead and continue to complain to the internet. I dare say Herd is a little more philosophical about these things than some fans and their deluded sense of finite justice.
Spare me the philosophy lesson, Roy Hodgson said he stamped on his player he didn't so was just inflaming the situation and now the appeal backs up the opinion he should apologise to Chris Herd and to Aston Villa. Chris is a promising young player with not many games under his belt if he received a 3 game ban and ended up down the pecking order as a result of this farcical sending off then I'm sure he would have been over the moon about it but you just keep accepting the shit referee decisions and I'll keep complaining about them.
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I think every manager, who has ever gave a wrong opinion about an incident, purely because it benefited / hurt their team should be forced to make an apology to the fans of the opposing club involved.
The footage of every single match and post match interview since football has been broadcast MUST be analysed in detail, so that ALL the culprits are found.
Each apology should be made at the opposing clubs ground, in the centre circle in front of a capacity crowd.
I believe that all games should be suspended until this has been completed.
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I think every manager, who has ever gave a wrong opinion about an incident, purely because it benefited / hurt their team should be forced to make an apology to the fans of the opposing club involved.
The footage of every single match and post match interview since football has been broadcast MUST be analysed in detail, so that ALL the culprits are found.
Each apology should be made at the opposing clubs ground, in the centre circle in front of a capacity crowd.
I believe that all games should be suspended until this has been completed.
We'll be waiting a long time to hear a sorry from Woy then.
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Maybe a few people owe McLeish an apology. Had he not had one of his team sent off unfairly, we probably would have won the game and still be riding high in the league above Arsenal, yet the bashing continues...
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Old ostrich face should come out and apologise to us for his remarks.
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Why are people expecting an apology? Do we take exception to everything that goes against us these days. We all know Roy was wrong and the appeal proves it so move on. This thread makes us look a bit smalltime "Does he owe us an apology"........ NO.
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Owe us an apology? What a pathetic question. He gave his opinion and saw the tussle one way, the referee saw it that way too. How has Hodgson damaged you personally that an apology is really necessary? I think some people are far too precious and need to man up.
Mr Diggles calm down dear!!
I think that by sticking to his initial comments and not issuing a corrective statement then he can be accused of bringing the game into disrepute. No manager should be allowed to smear the character of a player like Hodgson has and not correct it when their initial statement is proven incorrect as is the case here.
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He doesn't owe us an apolagy he's been made to look like a bellend as it is. I've lost a lot of respect for him
Perhaps he can explain how foster wasn't last man and how gabby wasn't through on goal? I can't believe that hasn't been discussed
I've never liked olsson, and saturdays given me more reasons to hate him. What an utter utter prick he is
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Perhaps he can explain how foster wasn't last man and how gabby wasn't through on goal? I can't believe that hasn't been discussed
Because the ball was going away from goal rather than towards it.
And if someone is 'last man' or not is irrelevant.
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Perhaps he can explain how foster wasn't last man and how gabby wasn't through on goal? I can't believe that hasn't been discussed
Because the ball was going away from goal rather than towards it.
And if someone is 'last man' or not is irrelevant.
It isn't irrelevant but it is just one of the criteria that can be used to judge whether a goal scoring chance was denied rather than being a reason by itself.
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True enough, but in the above context where the poster says "perhaps he can explain how foster wasn't last man" he doesn't need to explain how Foster wasn't the last man. It just doesn't matter than he was the last man because Gabby kicked the ball away from the goal.
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But if Foster hadn't tripped him he would have been clean through. How can that not be an obvious goal scoring opportunity and therefore a red card?
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I can see Woy now ...." I'm weally , weally sowwy "
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But if Foster hadn't tripped him he would have been clean through. How can that not be an obvious goal scoring opportunity and therefore a red card?
Because in trying to go round Foster he moved the ball away from the goal rather than towards the goal.
Whether that's how the law should be interpreted or not, that's how referees are choosing to apply it in pretty much every case at the moment.
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I don't think the ball has to be travelling towards the goal as such. Not sure it was for either Evans or Bosingwa.
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The idea that Woy focussed on Hutton's challenge to deflect attention away from Olssen's deception is comical. As if no-one would have noticed or said anything about Hutton's challenge if uncle Woy hadn't mentioned it. Woy isn't going to apologise nor should he, he's a football manager and they almost always back their players in public regardless of whether they are in the right or wrong. Cést la vie.
Laws of the game can be found here:
http://ar.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12e.pdf
If that doesn't work just type FA laws of the game into Google.
You've obviously all got t'ínterweb so have a look at law 12 and then you can stop asking daft questions like why wasn't Foster sent off for being last man.
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As things currently stand, it seems that Herd will be spared his ban and Hutton's going to miss the Sunderland game - at least - owing to a rather nasty head/facial injury that was largely overlooked in the post-match froth of terse comments.
So, those who wanted Hutton punished in the first place might be rather pleased. Roy may be having a quiet little chuckle right now.
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The only irritation I have is that at the time Olsson did not complain or give any indication of wrongdoing. Afterwards, in press comments, he is claiming that Herd stamped on his thigh. That bollox winds me up more than a rather insignificant manager who looks and sounds like the "man on the omnibus" not a high achiever in the game's top flight.
Olson never reacted, how did he cheat? Or did he say he did in the interview, I can't recall.
Olsson didn't complain because he was the one fouling Herd by holding his foot, out of view of the linesman who then saw Herd "extricate" his foot from Olsson's grasp before putting it down on the ground - the apparent "stamp"!
Woy was talking bollox probably after talking to Olssen who lied to him.
The fact that Olssen blatantly lied in the post match interview on TV takes the f****n biscuit - he's got away with a foul, won a penalty that wasn't and lied about the integrity of a fellow professional. Olssen should be brought in front of the FA and made to eat his own testicles. If he's got any! If anyone should apologise it's Olssen, with Woy standing at his side, looking "disappointed" at one of his senior pro's.
I guarantee if Rooney had done it it would be front page news and the media would be recommending hanging!!
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The idea that Woy focussed on Hutton's challenge to deflect attention away from Olssen's deception is comical. As if no-one would have noticed or said anything about Hutton's challenge if uncle Woy hadn't mentioned it. Woy isn't going to apologise nor should he, he's a football manager and they almost always back their players in public regardless of whether they are in the right or wrong. Cést la vie.
Laws of the game can be found here:
http://ar.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12e.pdf
If that doesn't work just type FA laws of the game into Google.
You've obviously all got t'ínterweb so have a look at law 12 and then you can stop asking daft questions like why wasn't Foster sent off for being last man.
law 12: A red card is given for "denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal is a punishable offence..."
So Gabby was brought down on his way to the WBA goal and he was denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity. So I do not understand why you think asking why Foster didn't get a red card is a daft question?
Did you read rule 12 before you referred to it?
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The idea that Woy focussed on Hutton's challenge to deflect attention away from Olssen's deception is comical. As if no-one would have noticed or said anything about Hutton's challenge if uncle Woy hadn't mentioned it. Woy isn't going to apologise nor should he, he's a football manager and they almost always back their players in public regardless of whether they are in the right or wrong. Cést la vie.
Laws of the game can be found here:
http://ar.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12e.pdf
If that doesn't work just type FA laws of the game into Google.
You've obviously all got t'ínterweb so have a look at law 12 and then you can stop asking daft questions like why wasn't Foster sent off for being last man.
law 12: A red card is given for "denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal is a punishable offence..."
So Gabby was brought down on his way to the WBA goal and he was denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity. So I do not understand why you think asking why Foster didn't get a red card is a daft question?
Did you read rule 12 before you referred to it?
Yes I did. And nowhere does law 12 refer to a "last man". Nor has it ever done. Yet people keep banging on about it probably because they've heard ignorant media people use it. Asking why Foster didn't get a red isn't a daft question at all, I never said it was. Asking why he didn't get a red for being last man is a daft question, which is why I specifically mentioned "last man".
As for goal scoring opportunity, the laws say that the ref has to take various factors into account such as whether it was likely the player fouled would have retained control of the ball (since Gabby poked it one way and was heading another way, I'd argue that was unlikely) and whether the offence led to a direct free kick or a penalty. So I guess the ref thought Gabby wouldn't necessarily have got to the ball before Reid and therefore was unlikely to have had a chance to score, and decided that the fact that it was a penalty was sufficient compensation/punishment since it is in itself a goal scoring opportunity. It's open to interpretation but I'd say Dowd has a pretty good case for Foster not to be red carded. Yellow card maybe, I don't know.
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law 12: A red card is given for "denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal is a punishable offence..."
Technically he wasn't heading towards the goal. By clipping the ball past Foster, the ball was heading towards the corner flag.
Had he not been brought down then yes, he would have controlled it and scored but the fact that the ball wasn't rolling towards the goal is the get-out clause that the referee needs to avoid showing a red card.
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Am I correct in saying that Roy Hodgson has not come out today and issued an apology to both Chris Herd and Aston Villa for the unfounded accusations he trotted out on MOTD on Saturday night. He stated on national TV that having seen the replay that Chris Herd definitely stamped on Ollsen. Now this has clearly been sorted out through the use of video technology over the weekend but Roy's silence is deafening.
I think he has let his profession down and West Brom as a club also are being made to look bad over this.
Unfortunately, I think Woy is slightly more concerned with his players and his team's display than comments he may have made to some hack during one of the several interviews he gave post-match. I am sure Albion fans could also request an apology from McLeish regarding his comments defending Hutton's karate kick - no apology there either.
Instead of looking for scapegoats and excuses, I think you'd be better served asking why the 53-minute capitulation occurred and why Villa didn't muster a single shot on target from open play in the whole game. And set-pieces don't look a problem do they?
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"I'm vewy sowwy" said Woy.
"Vewy sowwy indeed"
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Olssen should be brought in front of the FA and made to eat his own testicles.
If there's been a better line written in all of H&V's history then I've yet to read it.
Bravo.
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Am I correct in saying that Roy Hodgson has not come out today and issued an apology to both Chris Herd and Aston Villa for the unfounded accusations he trotted out on MOTD on Saturday night. He stated on national TV that having seen the replay that Chris Herd definitely stamped on Ollsen. Now this has clearly been sorted out through the use of video technology over the weekend but Roy's silence is deafening.
I think he has let his profession down and West Brom as a club also are being made to look bad over this.
Unfortunately, I think Woy is slightly more concerned with his players and his team's display than comments he may have made to some hack during one of the several interviews he gave post-match. I am sure Albion fans could also request an apology from McLeish regarding his comments defending Hutton's karate kick - no apology there either.
Instead of looking for scapegoats and excuses, I think you'd be better served asking why the 53-minute capitulation occurred and why Villa didn't muster a single shot on target from open play in the whole game. And set-pieces don't look a problem do they?
I think it's possible to hold veiws on several subjects at the same time.
That's now two stripeys on the internet. Are the libraries open late?
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law 12: A red card is given for "denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal is a punishable offence..."
Technically he wasn't heading towards the goal. By clipping the ball past Foster, the ball was heading towards the corner flag.
Had he not been brought down then yes, he would have controlled it and scored but the fact that the ball wasn't rolling towards the goal is the get-out clause that the referee needs to avoid showing a red card.
Sorry dave but the laws as linked here don't require the ball to be going towards goal (unless you can tell me better). Gabby was clearly moving towards the albion goal. Ergo I am not clerar why under the laws stated he was not sent off unless it was a cock up by the ref.
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Am I correct in saying that Roy Hodgson has not come out today and issued an apology to both Chris Herd and Aston Villa for the unfounded accusations he trotted out on MOTD on Saturday night. He stated on national TV that having seen the replay that Chris Herd definitely stamped on Ollsen. Now this has clearly been sorted out through the use of video technology over the weekend but Roy's silence is deafening.
I think he has let his profession down and West Brom as a club also are being made to look bad over this.
He is simply a befuddled old man.
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Roy just has to say *anything* and it melts any hostiility I have to him
That funny On The Buses style voice and accent crack me up every time.
As for this nonsense about apologising, what a load of self important bollocks. That's what football managers do. They lie to protect and support their team / players.
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Perhaps he can explain how foster wasn't last man and how gabby wasn't through on goal? I can't believe that hasn't been discussed
Because the ball was going away from goal rather than towards it.
And if someone is 'last man' or not is irrelevant.
If he can get to the ball in time its still a goal scoring opportunity, which he could. He was in a position he could easily score. And last man does make a difference. At the very least its a booking. If you give a penalty give a booking, as I was told by an assesor
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law 12: A red card is given for "denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal is a punishable offence..."
Technically he wasn't heading towards the goal. By clipping the ball past Foster, the ball was heading towards the corner flag.
Had he not been brought down then yes, he would have controlled it and scored but the fact that the ball wasn't rolling towards the goal is the get-out clause that the referee needs to avoid showing a red card.
Sorry dave but the laws as linked here don't require the ball to be going towards goal (unless you can tell me better). Gabby was clearly moving towards the albion goal. Ergo I am not clerar why under the laws stated he was not sent off unless it was a cock up by the ref.
I'm not suggesting the laws do say it. I'm saying that's how referees are interpreting it at the moment.
See Richardson against Liverpool earlier in the season - an even greater argument there for it being a sending-off than the Gabby one, but no red card because there is an excuse not to give it.
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If he can get to the ball in time its still a goal scoring opportunity, which he could. He was in a position he could easily score. And last man does make a difference. At the very least its a booking. If you give a penalty give a booking, as I was told by an assesor
Last man might make a difference, and might not, but only in relation to whether he would have prevented it being a clear goal scoring opportunity or not. Merely being last man does not make a difference in itself, as reflected by there being no mention of it in the laws. You can still have a goal scoring opportunity even if there is an additional defender between you and the goal.
And according to the laws of the game, your assessor is wrong, a penalty does not necessarilly incur a yellow card.
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Gabby would have controlled the ball and scored, so if he's taken down its denying a goalscoring opportunity, red card
It might not be a law but its said to do it because it sells your decision.
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Yes.
Will we get one? - No.
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Gabby had got to the ball and pushed it forward over the Foster. Foster fouled him as he tried to clear him. Defender at this stage was ahead of Gabby and would have had an advantage getting to the ball first. So Foster was not last man at this stage so no red card was required. Yellow is debatable. That is how I saw it from Witton End Upper.
and oh yes Roy Hodgson is as blind as they come.
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So Foster was not last man at this stage so no red card was required
*bashes head against wall*
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Gabby would have controlled the ball and scored, so if he's taken down its denying a goalscoring opportunity, red card
No, Gabby 'might' have controlled the ball and scored, but his touch was taking the ball away from the goal and the defender to the left of him would have gone straight on and attempted to put a tackle in, therefore no definite clear goalscoring opportunity.
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He let himself down as soon as he took the job at that shit hole.
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He doesn't owe "us" an apology but he definitely owes Herd one after his comments in public.
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I don't know if he owes us an apology or not, but we should have gone and got Hodgson in the Summer.
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He just said on Football Focus he's glad the red card decision has been put right. I don't care whether he apologises or not really - it's a bit melodramatic to demand one.
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What goes around, comes around, Woy. Dodgy penalty decision from the linesman? Never.
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He just said on Football Focus he's glad the red card decision has been put right.
That'll do Roy and as compensation we'll have a dodgy pen to Liverpool in the first ten minutes.
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I see Hodgson was bemoaning the penalty decision against the Albion yesterday.
What goes around, comes around. Woy
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Listening to 6-0-6 earlier tonight [not having seen the Boggies highlights against Liverpool yesterday, so neither here nor there knowledge about what happened] an anti Liverpool caller got very short shrift from Alan Green. Interesting radio.
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Woy's tantrum was superb. Karma is a wonderful thing
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Woy's tantrum was superb. Karma is a wonderful thing
It was fantastic - when he chucked his polyester Adidas Albion coat to the ground in a dramatic display of disgust and then, a minute later, realising it was a bit cold and picking it back up to put it on again
My missus thinks he sounds like Harold Steptoe.