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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on October 22, 2011, 11:51:01 PM
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Just saw the highlights on MOTD. Aside from the fact that Alan Hutton can't cross for toffee, the fact that he would struggle to pass water, that he has the positional sense of a blind man with an inner ear infection, that his tackling is later than my bus, that his overall footballing ability is questionable in the extreme and that, in short, he is the worst player I have ever fecking seen in a Villa shirt, aside from all that, I don't want to see this idiot playing for Aston Villa ever again. His tackle on Long was absolutely disgusting. And to follow it up with another reckless thwack at the same player, it was thuggery, pure and simple. If an opponent dished out that sort of treatment to one of our players we would be fuming about it, and rightly so. There really is no excuse. Don't want to sound over-dramatic and pious but I find that sort of behaviour reprehensible and an embarrassment to our club. I can put up with us being shite. I can't put up with us being like Stoke. The guy's a disgrace. Get rid.
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I don't want him not to play for us because of that tackle (dreadful tackle though it was).
I don't want him to play for us because he's an absolutely rubbish player.
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He's not been great so far has he?
To think he once cost £9m. Makes Reo-Coker and Harewood look like prudent spending.
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He's been very poor, I don't disagree. However it's only a handful of games and since we don't have a great deal of choice, we should give him a chance.
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He's not been great so far has he?
To think he once cost £9m. Makes Reo-Coker and Harewood look like prudent spending.
The only thing about Hutton that makes me smile is the though that Spurs once forked out nine million pounds for him.
Unbelievable.
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Most our signings recently seem to take half a season to settle and we end up writing them off straight away..... Having said that though, he really is shit.
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Some of his Scotland performances a couple of years back were quite good as was the start of his Tottenham spell, so I thought it was a reasonable signing.
However, he has been truly dreadful. No wonder he was 3rd/4th choice at Tottenham. He looks like he's either going to give a penalty away, make a howler or get sent off in every game he plays. He's also added nothing going forward.
His tackle today was truly atrocious and I agree with the OP that I don't want Aston Villa players doing that sort of thing. I'd like to see him at least make an apology to Long.
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I don't want him not to play for us because of that tackle (dreadful tackle though it was).
I don't want him to play for us because he's an absolutely rubbish player.
Really sorry guys but someone has got to tell me what's wrong with the tackle.
Does he go for the ball? Yes.
Does he win the ball? Yes.
The fact that Long got injured in the process is bad luck.
(The petulant bit later when he gets booked is fair enough.)
We can't expect players to come to a complete halt as soon as contact is made with the ball. I believe it's called momentum. In the Highway Code with regard to motor vehicles it's called braking distance.
How many times have you seen players injure themslves while tackling/being tackled? Does that mean the player who doesn't come off worse has committed an offence?
By the way, I think Hutton's a bit shit!
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ho hum. rather have kept young. Pious or not i rather agree about not playing someone who'd likely to finish an opposition's players' career. Hopefully its a one-off and to be fair he hasn't got that reputation to my knowledge. Not writing him off yet if only because its unlikely we've got the money to buy a replacement.
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I don't want him not to play for us because of that tackle (dreadful tackle though it was).
I don't want him to play for us because he's an absolutely rubbish player.
Really sorry guys but someone has got to tell me what's wrong with the tackle.
Does he go for the ball? Yes.
Does he win the ball? Yes.
I've replied to this in the other thread - neither the above two points matter are at all relevant.
Edit:
After 2005, players would be shown the red card regardless of how much of the ball they got. It was the re-wording of the guidelines to “endangering the safety of the opponent” which eventually outlawed the two-footed challenge for good. Now not only was this type of challenge forbidden, any challenge in which the defender launched themselves at the attacker was considered “dangerous”. Dangerous was equated with excessive force. And that means a red card.
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I've always thought he was shite. Suffice to say he hasnt changed my opinion.
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He makes Luke Young look like Cafu.
I was never happy with playing Cuellar out of position at right back but Hutton has been so awful that I was overjoyed to see the big man come back and dearly hope it is a regular move.
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I wasn't exactly enamored when we signed him but I didn't realise he was this bad. I don't really buy into this he and N'Zogbia need time to settle in stuff, they only came from London & Wigan, it's not as though they came from Outer Mongolia.
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It's not just the awfulness of the tackle, but that another one closely followed it. Now, I'm no fan of MOTD and their selective editing, but it came across as if Hutton was on some sort of demented mission to rough Long up and kick him out of the game - and since he was substituted on 19 minutes it appears he succeeded. I'm not saying that's the case, just that that's what armchair fans up and down the country will have seen. That's what made me angry (that and being quite drunk). And to those who can't see what was wrong with it, that he played the ball, etc., as I said before, how would you feel if one of our players was kicked up in the air like that? We'd all be bloody furious. Christ, there's still people on here angry about Alex Cropley. Rightly so. I don't want us to be seen as a bunch of thugs, it's embarrassing. That's my point. That and the fact that Hutton's utter shit.
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well listening to AM it seems he didn't see much wrong with Huttons tackle so draw your own conclusions. Not so much Hoof! but oof!.I really hope his plan for survival doesn't involve turning us into Hughes era Blackburn
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You have to ask the question, who the hell thought that buying Hutton and selling Young was a good idea?
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Wouldn't rule him or Nzogbia out yet but both are really struggling.
I know managers defend the indefensible but it sickened me how McLeish defended that 2 footed charge from that brainless prick today.
Yet another player whose reputation is based on performances against the St Mirrens of this world.
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was at the game today and after watching MOTD all i can think is why Herd what the fuck never a sending off!
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Huttton has been gash but it wasn't a case of getting rid of Luke Young in order to bring Lord Hutton in. Young has wanted to return to London for quite some time. McLeish tried to convince him to stay but was unable to do so.
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Hutton should have been sent off. The tackle was dangerous.
And I believe he intended to take Long out of the game.
I don't want him representing our club.
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It was a hard, aggressive tackle and doesn't warrant the attention it is being given. Hodgson used it as an excuse to draw attention away from his player cheating for the penalty and we've bought into it.
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It was a hard, aggressive tackle and doesn't warrant the attention it is being given. Hodgson used it as an excuse to draw attention away from his player cheating for the penalty and we've bought into it.
Indeed, and this mornings headline on the BBC site is "West Brom's Shane Long injured after Hutton tackle" instead of "Cheating Stripey bastards collude with pug faced moron Dowd to rob Villa"
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Hutton should have been sent off. The tackle was dangerous.
And I believe he intended to take Long out of the game.
I don't want him representing our club.
It was tackle with the same level of commitment that many on here are (quite rightly) singing Herd's praises for. If you don't show commitment you're shit (N'Zogbia) if you do show commitment you're a disgrace (Hutton). For years we've been saying we're a soft touch, too nice, we need someone nasty to put their foot in. Hutton's tackle (he went for & won the ball) was NOT, in my opinion, a straight red. He did not go it with two straight feet and Long's landing made it look worse than it was.
As for Hutton in general, give him time.
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It was a hard, aggressive tackle and doesn't warrant the attention it is being given. Hodgson used it as an excuse to draw attention away from his player cheating for the penalty and we've bought into it.
I also agree love a bit of thunder, as Hansen said that kind of tackle would have got you a new contract back in the day.
Fwiw I don't really rate him but he's not going to be dropped any time soon unless mcshit carries out his threat of dropping defenders that can't defend which I doubt because there isn't anyone else
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Hutton should have been sent off. The tackle was dangerous.
And I believe he intended to take Long out of the game.
I don't want him representing our club.
It was tackle with the same level of commitment that many on here are (quite rightly) singing Herd's praises for. If you don't show commitment you're shit (N'Zogbia) if you do show commitment you're a disgrace (Hutton). For years we've been saying we're a soft touch, too nice, we need someone nasty to put their foot in. Hutton's tackle (he went for & won the ball) was NOT, in my opinion, a straight red. He did not go it with two straight feet and Long's landing made it look worse than it was.
As for Hutton in general, give him time.
I agree. I think Hodgson's OTT after match bleating is as annoying as anything. Hutton has been poor, but then so have others for some time. Collins needs dropping for Clark, as he is a good game in 4 man at the moment, Warnock is still painfully shit and invites pressure on us and we have not found a partner for Petrov yet as Delph has been poor this season, maybe Clark in there alongside him might be a way to go. Hutton and NZobia are worries, but need time. The ones who have been around 4 years and are shite worry me far more at the moment.
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... Alan Hutton...... he is the worst player I have ever fecking seen in a Villa shirt...
Theres a debate in itself, I could think of a few worse over the years.
Personally I thought it was a bloody good hard tackle, then again I liked football better 30 years ago rather than the non-contact sport we have today that is designed to protect a bunch of prissy over-paid by and large overseas ball juggling prima donnas. George Best wouldnt have moaned about a tackle like that on him.
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I don't think Hutton, or any of the defence for that matter, have been that bad this season. Man City aside, we've conceded 7 goals in 8 league games which is one of the best defensive records in the league. I'm not sure what people are expecting. For the money we've paid all you can hope for is a solid defender. He's not going to be the best crosser of a ball. He's not going to be spraying 50 yard, cross-field passes around. He's pretty standard like the vast majority of our right-backs for the past 20 years. I can only think of Mark Delaney as being better than him. Luke Young was pretty much of a muchness.
As for the tackle, at the time I thought it was a superb tackle. Committed without being reckless, just as the vast majority of people say they want to see our players playing. Having seen the slow-motion replay on MOTD it does look worse but then don't all tackles when they're played back in slow motion. Under the current interpretation of the rules you could see that as a red card but it wasn't two-footed and I genuinely don't think he was trying to hurt Long. The reaction (or lack of reaction) of the vast majority of the players showed that. The petulant swipe after it was a reaction to him feeling he'd just been fouled for their throw in. It was silly but wasn't part of a play to kick Long out of the game.
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Hutton should have been sent off. The tackle was dangerous.
And I believe he intended to take Long out of the game.
I don't want him representing our club.
It was tackle with the same level of commitment that many on here are (quite rightly) singing Herd's praises for. If you don't show commitment you're shit (N'Zogbia) if you do show commitment you're a disgrace (Hutton). For years we've been saying we're a soft touch, too nice, we need someone nasty to put their foot in. Hutton's tackle (he went for & won the ball) was NOT, in my opinion, a straight red. He did not go it with two straight feet and Long's landing made it look worse than it was.
As for Hutton in general, give him time.
This.
And really pissed off at Woy's bleating. He's trying to defend his own player - fair enough - but you don't do that by attacking another one. So it was okay for Olsson to thump Herd on the shoulder before the sending off? And he stated they were in total control of the game before the sending off anyway. From his "angle" obviously!Always had a bit of a soft spot for Woy. No longer.
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Im going to do something i've never done before now and quote Alan fucking Hansen, '30 years ago that tackle would've earned him a new contract'
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yeah the point being "30 years ago". I don't know why people are having so much of a problem with this. you don't get this with the backpass rule. Bottom line is if one of there's had done the same to gabby and got him injured, we'd never have heard the last of it on here
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I don't even think it was a "tackle" as Long was not in control of the ball. It had run away from him and Hutton went in hard to clear it just as Long went in to try and get it back. Result - they collided and unfortunately Long came out of it worse. It could quite easily have been the other way round and Hutton been the one who came off worse. Dowd had a clear view and gave a throw in so there is no way any further action will be taken surely, or else will they start reviewing every incident that TV throws up in slowmo?
Also the TV has been edited I think so as to delete Long bringing the ball under control with his arm just before Hutton hit him which resulted in the yellow card. If Dowd had seen that he would have blown for the handball and the incident would not have occurred.
Also, is Roy complaining about Jones tackle on N'Zogbia which earned him a booking and could quite easily have injured Charlie?
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The "seriously injured" Long played on for about another 10/15 mins, but coming from the team that produced Ally Brown and Ally Robertson i find the criticism of Hutton a bit hard to take.The worst thing about Long going off was Tchoi coming on, who was far more effective.
It was a very strong tackle, and for me is part of the game, if you can get the man at the same time as the ball, in my book then fine, it is a mans game.I don't like dirty play, but strong tackles i can accept.Herd made a very strong tackle, possibly 2 footed on Mulumbu earlier, but he just got on with it.We have to be careful what kind of game we want.
I don't think that Hutton has been anywhere near as bad as comments on here are suggesting.We missed him when he went off, we missed the width he creates, and defensively we were more solid with him on.
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His passing and crossing abilities aren't the best - much rather have Carlos at RB now.
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I've just seen the Hutton tackle, and to be honest, i've seen worse. He made a genuine attempt for the ball and actually got a touch on it.
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I don't think Hutton has been that bad
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Well, this was supposed to be a player the manager could get the best out of as he had worked with him before. Doesn't say much.
I was lambasted for pointing it out at the time, but why sell Luke Young, a reliable, know what you are getting type of player during a season of transition, and replace him with a Spurs squad player (mirrors Makoun - Jenas)?
Surely it wasn't just to save £10,000 a week on wages.
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I don't even think it was a "tackle" as Long was not in control of the ball. It had run away from him and Hutton went in hard to clear it just as Long went in to try and get it back. Result - they collided and unfortunately Long came out of it worse. It could quite easily have been the other way round and Hutton been the one who came off worse. Dowd had a clear view and gave a throw in so there is no way any further action will be taken surely, or else will they start reviewing every incident that TV throws up in slowmo?
Also the TV has been edited I think so as to delete Long bringing the ball under control with his arm just before Hutton hit him which resulted in the yellow card. If Dowd had seen that he would have blown for the handball and the incident would not have occurred.
Also, is Roy complaining about Jones tackle on N'Zogbia which earned him a booking and could quite easily have injured Charlie?
Excellent post fred.
I find it interesting that AM had more to complain about post-match but didn't. Woy's going OTT.
I'll be really interested to see how long Long is out for with his "serious" injury that could have "broken both his legs". Absolute bollox!
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I don't want him not to play for us because of that tackle (dreadful tackle though it was).
I don't want him to play for us because he's an absolutely rubbish player.
Really sorry guys but someone has got to tell me what's wrong with the tackle.
Does he go for the ball? Yes.
Does he win the ball? Yes.
The fact that Long got injured in the process is bad luck.
(The petulant bit later when he gets booked is fair enough.)
We can't expect players to come to a complete halt as soon as contact is made with the ball. I believe it's called momentum. In the Highway Code with regard to motor vehicles it's called braking distance.
How many times have you seen players injure themslves while tackling/being tackled? Does that mean the player who doesn't come off worse has committed an offence?
By the way, I think Hutton's a bit shit!
The bizarre bit is that he wasn't even carded for the first lunge ...
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Hutton is absolute shite.
For me Cuellar should play right back from now on. I would have said Hers but he looked really good in midfield yesterday.
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If we're going to get self righteous about this the question is not whether the tackle (which I've not had a good look at so don't really have an opinion on) was bad but whether it was meant to be bad and whether Hutton is that kind of player. If he does it every week and sets out to hurt an opponent then you have to say he might not be the sort of player we want represent us. Based on one isolated incident I would say no.
Of course, if you are basing your decision on his form then you've got to say he has to be dropped. He has made errors in most of his games so far which could well have cost us. He may have been sent off yesterday and there have been a few penalty incidents too. The only other defender I can remember having who was so haphazard was Ridgewell who I still rank as one of the worst players we have had.
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... Alan Hutton...... he is the worst player I have ever fecking seen in a Villa shirt...
Theres a debate in itself, I could think of a few worse over the years.
Personally I thought it was a bloody good hard tackle, then again I liked football better 30 years ago rather than the non-contact sport we have today that is designed to protect a bunch of prissy over-paid by and large overseas ball juggling prima donnas. George Best wouldnt have moaned about a tackle like that on him.
Its a poor day when full backs can't put a hard tackle in.
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He seems like a mindless drunken thug who has no idea what he's doing on the pitch. That's the best way I can describe about him lightly.
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There's a lot of things wrong with the current Villa side. But Alan Hutton is a long way from the top of that list.
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It was a pub team tackle from a pub team player. I've long criticised Carlos when played at right back but I would much rather him than this clown. He really is gash, and as others have said I don't want a thug in a Villa shirt thank you very much.
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Would much prefer to see Cuellar play there.
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Would much prefer to see Cuellar play there.
What does Carlos offer at right back that Hutton doesn't?
Carlos can't cross or pass. He doesn't think about what he's doing and as a result either just hoofs it or gets caught in possession.
I like Carlos, but as a centre-half. At best he's an average right back. Just like Hutton.
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He's better than Hutton. I also prefer him at centre-half, though.
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I don't recall Cuellar coming as close to giving away penalties and getting sent off as often as Hutton has managed to do this season.
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I don't recall Cuellar coming as close to giving away penalties and getting sent off as often as Hutton has managed to do this season.
Hutton's played almost every game for us this season and hasn't given any pens away or been sent off as far as I can recall. In fact, he's only had two yellows in all those games which isn't too bad for a defender in the modern game.
I think a lot of the anti-Hutton comments are the same as the anti-McLeish comments. Some didn't want him here so they're not going to give him a chance.
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I don't recall Cuellar coming as close to giving away penalties and getting sent off as often as Hutton has managed to do this season.
Hutton's played almost every game for us this season and hasn't given any pens away or been sent off as far as I can recall. In fact, he's only had two yellows in all those games which isn't too bad for a defender in the modern game.
I think a lot of the anti-Hutton comments are the same as the anti-McLeish comments. Some didn't want him here so they're not going to give him a chance.
Fair enough, he had a poor game for the time he was on, but who didn't. I think the fact he has replaced a reliable defender doesn't help his cause though.
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He's a dirty clown. Looked likely to either get sent off or give a penalty away in every game I've seen him play.
Waste of money.
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Would much prefer to see Cuellar play there.
What does Carlos offer at right back that Hutton doesn't?
Carlos can't cross or pass. He doesn't think about what he's doing and as a result either just hoofs it or gets caught in possession.
I like Carlos, but as a centre-half. At best he's an average right back. Just like Hutton.
Cuellar can defend.
Hutton is an accident waiting to happen.
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I think a lot of the anti-Hutton comments are the same as the anti-McLeish comments. Some didn't want him here so they're not going to give him a chance.
Why would people have had an agenda against Hutton before he came here? It's not as if we had any "previous" with him, is it?
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It shows the level of his performances that Cuellar is a better option at right back... at least he can defend.
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A question for those who have defended Hutton's challenge on this thread:
Would you be willing to pass it off merely as a "strong, hard tackle" if Mulumbu had made it on Gabby, breaking his leg in the process?
We are all one eyed from time to time, but I feel that some are defending the indefensible on here.
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I don't really give a flying one about his challenge. Yes, it was a bad challenge, and he was lucky not to get sent off, but it was one tackle in one match, and you can't really judge a player fairly on that.
What you can judge players on, though, is how they do in matches over a longer period of time, and Hutton has, in his admittedly short time here, looked like the least composed, least capable full back we've had for a long time.
I used to think Aaron Hughes was shit, but Hutton makes him look like Ashley Cole.
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A question for those who have defended Hutton's challenge on this thread:
Would you be willing to pass it off merely as a "strong, hard tackle" if Mulumbu had made it on Gabby, breaking his leg in the process?
We are all one eyed from time to time, but I feel that some are defending the indefensible on here.
He didn't break his leg though did he? That's just Hodgson's spin. Football used to be a contact sport.
You're very keen to stick up for the Baggies on a couple of threads, is it Bob Taylor's work rate you are celebrating? ;-)
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A question for those who have defended Hutton's challenge on this thread:
Would you be willing to pass it off merely as a "strong, hard tackle" if Mulumbu had made it on Gabby, breaking his leg in the process?
We are all one eyed from time to time, but I feel that some are defending the indefensible on here.
He didn't break his leg though did he? That's just Hodgson's spin. Football used to be a contact sport.
And it's not anymore.
Which is why it deserved a red card.
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A question for those who have defended Hutton's challenge on this thread:
Would you be willing to pass it off merely as a "strong, hard tackle" if Mulumbu had made it on Gabby, breaking his leg in the process?
We are all one eyed from time to time, but I feel that some are defending the indefensible on here.
He didn't break his leg though did he? That's just Hodgson's spin. Football used to be a contact sport.
You're very keen to stick up for the Baggies on a couple of threads, is it Bob Taylor's work rate you are celebrating? ;-)
I've actually met Bob Taylor, nice bloke ;)
Gerrard didn't break George Boateng's leg in 2001, didn't make it any less of a bad challenge (although that one was worse)
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A question for those who have defended Hutton's challenge on this thread:
Would you be willing to pass it off merely as a "strong, hard tackle" if Mulumbu had made it on Gabby, breaking his leg in the process?
We are all one eyed from time to time, but I feel that some are defending the indefensible on here.
He didn't break his leg though did he? That's just Hodgson's spin. Football used to be a contact sport.
And it's not anymore.
Which is why it deserved a red card.
No, it didn't. You can quote laws all day at me if you feel so inclined but we all know that referees interprate them differently so trying to make out it that there is no debate doesn't wash.
If he'd gone over the top of the ball then I'd have agreed with you, but he didn't so to me and it was just a hard but fair challenge where his momentum caused the collision with Long.
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It was a reckless and unneccesarily brutal challenge. Most referees would have given a yellow or a red card depending on their view. If Hutton had been sent off, I don't think we could have complained. The reason why the horrible Houllier asked his players to stay calm and composed was to avoid tackles like these (and possible red cards). To confuse Hutton's idocy with commitment is delusional. He needs to stop it, or we will play more matches with ten men, and we struggle enough as it is with eleven.
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I think Hutton is not very good however yesterday he got the ball about a week before Long got to him. He was ahead of him in getting to the ball and Long got in the way. That is the way I saw it.
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How sad that some people still feel the need to try and justify a dreadful challenge. The rules are quite clear.
"A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
Any player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off...."
No mention of winning the ball or not, it's utterly fucking irrelevant. Hutton lunged at the ball with both legs off the ground knowing full well his follow through would endanger Long. You might not like the rules and you might think football is being turned into a non-contact sport, but they are the rules as they stand and Hutton was lucky that Dowd failed to apply them. How much clearer does it have to be before people stop using the fact that he got the ball as an excuse? .
I'd rather have almost anyone playing right back than Cuellar - Paris Hilton, Johnny from X factor, Bernie Gallagher, almost anyone. Except Hutton.
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I think Hutton is not very good however yesterday he got the ball about a week before Long got to him.
Which is still utterly irrelevant.
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A question for those who have defended Hutton's challenge on this thread:
Would you be willing to pass it off merely as a "strong, hard tackle" if Mulumbu had made it on Gabby, breaking his leg in the process?
We are all one eyed from time to time, but I feel that some are defending the indefensible on here.
He didn't break his leg though did he? That's just Hodgson's spin. Football used to be a contact sport.
And it's not anymore.
Which is why it deserved a red card.
No, it didn't. You can quote laws all day at me if you feel so inclined but we all know that referees interprate them differently so trying to make out it that there is no debate doesn't wash.
Oh, there's certainly a debate that can be had. Hence this and other threads But there's still a correct answer at the end of it.
Their penalty decision can be debated as well, but it was still the wrong decision. Just as the Hutton one was.
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I'd give up Dave. You and about 3 others have tried to explain it to them and its still not registering.
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There are at least two other challenges to compare Hutton's tackle with from today's game, Drogba's where he was sent off and Evra's where he wasn't. The key difference to me still seems to be two footed studs up challenges will get you sent off, Hutton won the ball with one foot, he was there well before Long, that seems to have been his saving grace, another ref may have decided it was a red, others a yellow and others like yesterday, that it was a tackle and the collision was just one of those things.
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Is he better than Habib Beye?
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He seems like a mindless drunken thug who has no idea what he's doing on the pitch. That's the best way I can describe about him lightly.
How come you didn't manage to get a dig in at McLeish as well like in all your other posts? Tough tackling has always been part of a full backs game. Funny how a seriously anti-Villa ref did not see enough wrong with it to send him off.
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There are at least two other challenges to compare Hutton's tackle with from today's game, Drogba's where he was sent off and Evra's where he wasn't. The key difference to me still seems to be two footed studs up challenges will get you sent off, Hutton won the ball with one foot, he was there well before Long, that seems to have been his saving grace, another ref may have decided it was a red, others a yellow and others like yesterday, that it was a tackle and the collision was just one of those things.
The challenge by that Everton lad, Rodwell, against Liverpool a couple of weeks ago was tame compared to Hutton's. He won the ball with one foot as well, didn't really have his studs up but his follow through was deemed to have been enough to endanger Sanchez (who to be fair was barely touched and made a total meal of it). That one was harsh but it goes to show that winning the ball or not has nothing to do with it.
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I thought it was a yellow card offence and had he been shown red i'd have understood it.Dowd as usual was useless.He booked Mulumbu later in the game for a perfectly good tackle and the sending off was ridiculous, though to be fair to fat Phil the lino gave that decision.However, Albion deserved the three points we were second best all over the pitch, not even Dowd can take the blame for that.
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It looked a well timed tackle to me at the time, full blooded. TV replays make it look reckless. It was possibly Hutton's only meaningful contribution in an otherwise poor display, Cuellar is a much better defender than Hutton, not ideal for that position but certainly an improvement.
How much did Spurs pay for Hutton?
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How much did Spurs pay for Hutton?
It was, unbelievably, in the region of 9 million, apparently.
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I'd give up Dave. You and about 3 others have tried to explain it to them and its still not registering.
It's all down to interpretation, whether the ref deems it reckless, dangerous or whatever. To me it was metely aggressive to you it was worse. I know the wording of the law, it's been quoted ad nauseum, but that doesn't take away the human element of judging each case.
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I take it Hutton's on lower wages than Young? That's his plus point?
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Poor challenge and lucky to stay on the pitch , i cant help feeling qpr have signed a far better player in luke young than we have signed in hutton for almost double the price.
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Sure it's about interpretation and there is a human element. But as the saying goes, to err is human. If we remove the claret and blue goggle effect, I wonder how many independent reporters, observers and pundits have come out and said they thought the ref judged that one correctly. I can't say I've seen or heard any yet.
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It was a hard, aggressive tackle and doesn't warrant the attention it is being given. Hodgson used it as an excuse to draw attention away from his player cheating for the penalty and we've bought into it.
I don't think Hutton has been great for us, but I think the game has gone soft in that it has effectively outlawed hard tackling. Stuart Pearce used to do this sort of thing every week. To my mind it is a part of the game that bought excitement and adrenalin on and off the pitch.
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Double post.
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It was a hard, aggressive tackle and doesn't warrant the attention it is being given. Hodgson used it as an excuse to draw attention away from his player cheating for the penalty and we've bought into it.
I don't think Hutton has been great for us, but I think the game has gone soft in that it has effectively outlawed hard tackling. Stuart Pearce used to do this sort of thing every week. To my mind it is a part of the game that bought excitement and adrenalin on and off the pitch.
I agree.
The problem is, the football authorities don't, and haven't for a fair while, and we've known this for a long time, as has Hutton.
Still, it was a dodgy challenge, lots of players are guilty of that. It's Hutton's prolonged period of shitness that worries me more.
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Hutton's a poor replacement for either Young or Walker.
Harry once again has shown his ability to get a player out on loan and gain a massive improvement then take him back as an international player and sell a crap player to the club who improved the loan player.
Our managers always seem to end up with the poor end of a deal most of the time.
Hutton is not a Premiership class player, and is likely to accumulate a lot of yellows or reds in a season from what I've seen of him so far.
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Give me a full back that takes the ball and the player and puts them both in row z if required.
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Give me a full back that takes the ball and the player and puts them both in row z if required.
And if both our full backs take the same view then we'll be playing most games with nine men.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2011/10/23/1319362593333/Alan-Hutton-tackle-on-Sha-001.jpg)
He looks like he's auditioning for Street Fighter 2. It's awful.
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Ouch!
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Hutton's been really poor, Luke Young was much better.
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Give me a full back that takes the ball and the player and puts them both in row z if required.
And if both our full backs take the same view then we'll be playing most games with nine men.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2011/10/23/1319362593333/Alan-Hutton-tackle-on-Sha-001.jpg)
He looks like he's auditioning for Street Fighter 2. It's awful.
Never played in the Birmingham works league then Dave?
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Give me a full back that takes the ball and the player and puts them both in row z if required.
And if both our full backs take the same view then we'll be playing most games with nine men.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2011/10/23/1319362593333/Alan-Hutton-tackle-on-Sha-001.jpg)
He looks like he's auditioning for Street Fighter 2. It's awful.
Never played in the Birmingham works league then Dave?
Nope and although it wouldn't surprise me if Hutton did before too long, I'd like to think we're striving for a slightly higher calibre of player.
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Ouch!
That angle is deceptive, his studs did not go in to Long's shin.
However, as a general point we need more "ouch".
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I'd prefer a right back who's competent in defence like Luke Young was and is decent going forward like Walker was. I thought Hutton had built his game as an attacking full back, been really disappointed by him going forward so far.
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Sure it's about interpretation and there is a human element. But as the saying goes, to err is human. If we remove the claret and blue goggle effect, I wonder how many independent reporters, observers and pundits have come out and said they thought the ref judged that one correctly. I can't say I've seen or heard any yet.
MOTD commentator said, and I quote, "Hutton goes in strongly. I don't think there was anything wrong with the tackle but it's hurt Shane Long. A 50-50 ball both players were going in as committed as one another."
Then on seeing it again he says; "some referees might have seen it differently" and then points out that refs do not have the benefit of a review. This is how I saw it 'live', sitting in the DE stand right behind. looked a strong challenge but a ball-winning one. I've seen worse go unpunished. Given the ref didn't award anything, he obviously thought it was fair, but had he seen it again he may have revised this. But yellow card at worst I would have thought.
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It's not just Saturdays challenge,he over commits himself,doesn't stay on his feet,gets caught out of position. It's early days in his Villa career so hopefully he'll improve,I always thought he was a weak link at Spurs though.
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Edit: wrong thread.
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Tackling is going out of the game and I for one would love to see it brought back 10 or 15 years ago we would see a decent tackle now the physicality is almost gone from the game I dont think Hutton went out to hurt Long he just went in hard to win the ball.
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Hutton reminds me of the sort of player that should be playing for Small Heath .
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The other thing to look at is the reaction of the players around the incident. Very few took issue with it. Compare and contrast to Drogba's red card yesterday and the reaction of the players to that and you can see the difference.
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Tackling is going out of the game and I for one would love to see it brought back 10 or 15 years ago we would see a decent tackle now the physicality is almost gone from the game I dont think Hutton went out to hurt Long he just went in hard to win the ball.
Yep,the Rodwell tackle the other week was a sign of how things of gone now,virtually no contact allowed,it'll be like basketball in a few years time.
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he's crap, along with N'zogbia the pair of them absolute rubbish
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I can not believe people are actually trying to justify that tackle. I'm as much a fan of 'old school' football as anybody on here but there is a big difference between 'hard' and downright bloody dangerous. He could easily have broken both of Longs legs and, in agreement with the OP, he is a disgrace to our club.
He is also shit.
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Give me a full back that takes the ball and the player and puts them both in row z if required.
And if both our full backs take the same view then we'll be playing most games with nine men.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2011/10/23/1319362593333/Alan-Hutton-tackle-on-Sha-001.jpg)
He looks like he's auditioning for Street Fighter 2. It's awful.
Pictures can be deceiving. I wasn't at the game but have just viewed video replays of the tackle on another website, which shows the tackle from various angles (not sure if I'm allowed to mention which website). From the first few angles the tackle looks dangerous - as if Hutton throws his body weight into a straight-legged challenge, just as your still frame does. However, in the final angle shown in the footage, I got quite a different impression. It looks more like Hutton sweeps the ball away with his left leg which then collides with Long.
I'm not saying it was a great tackle, just that one still image isn't necessarily proof of guilt on Hutton's part.
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I am in the school of thought which says Hodgson bigged the whole tackle out of proportion as a diversionary tactic to the monstrously unfair dismissal of Herd. All the media bought into it now we are buying into in droves. Hutton is a Villa player. On present form not a very good one but a Villa player nevertheless.
Those of us who use these pages with intelligence and sincerity have to decide whether we are going to slag off our team for showing no fighting spirit, no heart, no commitment or whether we are going to slag them off when they do show signs fighting spirit and make mistakes. We can't have it both ways.
I have to take particular care not to dwell on the old days because I know how boring old blokes are but when you consider that the man with the Bovril tank on his back was not allowed within four or five yards of the field of play when we played Blackpool because everybody knew that was where Stanley Matthews was going. Out of courtesy to such a magnificent player he had to be afforded a soft landing.
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Hes not our worst player by a long way.He cost £2m , and that looks about right for me.
We missed his runs down the line when he went off on Sat.Hes not as bad as some on here are suggesting.
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.He cost £2m , and that looks about right for me.
The bad news is he cost 4m not 2
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Not sure about getting contact back into the game in terms of hard tackling, I remember blokes like Norman Hunter, Ron Harris and Terry Paine of Southampton, when these blokes went in they didn't just break bones they amputated the leg, and had absolutely no conscience about doing it, would do the same thing again to another player 5mins later, I watched a game where Terry Paine tackled broke the players leg and when one of the players came in to have a go at Paine smacked him right in the face, and still stayed on the pitch.
Anybody remember the Norman Hunter and Franny Lee spat................those where the days
Anybody remember Tommy Smith, Liverpool, the commentator used to say after one of his tackles, "this man wasn't born he was quarried" .
I digress, the one thing that is of a concern is the amount of times already your are seeing players giving verbal to fans after incidents, I've seen 4 players this season at this, this also happened years ago and it was the kind of thing that caused a lot of violence at matches Shane Long was giving verbal to Villa fans from the sideline and last week it was Balotelli.
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I have to take particular care not to dwell on the old days because I know how boring old blokes are but when you consider that the man with the Bovril tank on his back was not allowed within four or five yards of the field of play when we played Blackpool because everybody knew that was where Stanley Matthews was going. Out of courtesy to such a magnificent player he had to be afforded a soft landing.
I like that.
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One last amble down the rogues gallery of violent tackles. Worst and most cold blooded act of premeditated brutality was of course Ali Brown on Alex Cropley.
The most high velocity shudderingly awesome tackle was in the early 60s when Smith the Tottenham centre forward launched himself feet first like a human cannonball at Nigel Sims on the Villa goal line. The impact made the pigeons fly out of the roof of the Trinity Stand.
It took them fully five minutes to revive Smith and another five to get him to his feet and totter to the tunnel. To make matters worse for Smith's kamikaze assault Nigel "fell" on him all twenty stone in a wrestling type slam.
Legend has it that the groundsman had to dig Smith out of the turf before they could administer the smelling salts. God, you young lads don't know what you missed.
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One last amble down the rogues gallery of violent tackles. Worst and most cold blooded act of premeditated brutality was of course Ali Brown on Alex Cropley.
The most high velocity shudderingly awesome tackle was in the early 60s when Smith the Tottenham centre forward launched himself feet first like a human cannonball at Nigel Sims on the Villa goal line. The impact made the pigeons fly out of the roof of the Trinity Stand.
It took them fully five minutes to revive Smith and another five to get him to his feet and totter to the tunnel. To make matters worse for Smith's kamikaze assault Nigel "fell" on him all twenty stone in a wrestling type slam.
Legend has it that the groundsman had to dig Smith out of the turf before they could administer the smelling salts. God, you young lads don't know what you missed.
;D Yep in those day's it wasn't just football it was all out war....
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Hutton is bloody woeful and has been very lucky to have not got a 2-3 (maybe more) reds since he signed for us. His tackling at times is frightening. At times frighteningly inept, and in others, almost with Roy Keanesque frenzy (without any ability to go with it).
Luke Young, who lets face it, is an average player, is sorely missed. At least you could count on him to give you a 7/10 most games.
But in anycase, Hutton is just one part of a whole host of problems we currently have. After a safe start, our backline is beginning to show signs of laziness and inconsistency once more. Dunne's not been at the races of late, and Collins remains inconsistent.
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Hutton is bloody woeful and has been very lucky to have not got a 2-3 (maybe more) reds since he signed for us. His tackling at times is frightening. At times frighteningly inept, and in others, almost with Roy Keanesque frenzy (without any ability to go with it).
Luke Young, who lets face it, is an average player, is sorely missed. At least you could count on him to give you a 7/10 most games.
But in anycase, Hutton is just one part of a whole host of problems we currently have. After a safe start, our backline is beginning to show signs of laziness and inconsistency once more. Dunne's not been at the races of late, and Collins remains inconsistent.
For me Hutton looks better going forward than he is actually a defender, not as good as Kyle Walker, hasn't the pace, but he's a heads down, feet first merchant.
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To be fair i don't think he's a dirty player, just got a bit over-excited - he certainly seemed a bit hyped to me. And i like hard tackles as much as the next man - i actually think tackles from behind, for example, if performed correctly were every bit as skillfull as any flick or fient, but you can't do them, mainly because most defenders nowadays are so hopeless at them. We can argue about whether it was a foul, a sending off or just a hard tackle but i think most people would agree on balance that it he does many more of them he's not gonna get the benefit of the doubt too often. Saturday's ref didn't send him off but then we already know he's completely clueless
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Anybody remember Tommy Smith, Liverpool, the commentator used to say after one of his tackles, "this man wasn't born he was quarried" .
I just spotted this one: 'Tommy doesn't tackle opponents,' quipped Bill Shankly, 'so much as break them down for resale as scrap.' Born and bred within a mile of Anfield, he once handed Jimmy Greaves a hospital menu before a game.
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aye, but i'm pretty sure tommy smith has trouble walking now and has plastic knees which probably explains the rule changes :0)
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Anybody remember Tommy Smith, Liverpool, the commentator used to say after one of his tackles, "this man wasn't born he was quarried" .
I just spotted this one: 'Tommy doesn't tackle opponents,' quipped Bill Shankly, 'so much as break them down for resale as scrap.' Born and bred within a mile of Anfield, he once handed Jimmy Greaves a hospital menu before a game.
Brilliant, mind you i would imagine if you where a forward back then just looking at Tommy Smith was enough to scare the kids. hardly a pin up.
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Good read...
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-tommy-smith--the-iron-man-who-became-the-bionic-man-1122181.html
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Good read...
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-tommy-smith--the-iron-man-who-became-the-bionic-man-1122181.html
It is, I liked this bit.
'I don't think Houllier's picking the right team. Playing Carragher, a good midfield player, at centre-back? '
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Anyone remember Neale Cooper? He only played a few times but he liked a tackle, I seem to remember him flattening a young Stuart Pearce in a game against Forest.
One good thing about Hutton is that, with Heskey in the twilight of his mediocrity, we are addressing the need for some younger blood in the scapegoat department.
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Anyone remember Neale Cooper? He only played a few times but he liked a tackle, I seem to remember him flattening a young Stuart Pearce in a game against Forest.
One good thing about Hutton is that, with Heskey in the twilight of his mediocrity, we are addressing the need for some younger blood in the scapegoat department.
Yes i remember cooper , pity injuries wrecked his time with us , i cant really recall us having a top quality hardman in midfield since steve mcmahon in all honesty and that was over 25 yrs ago.
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I can not believe people are actually trying to justify that tackle. I'm as much a fan of 'old school' football as anybody on here but there is a big difference between 'hard' and downright bloody dangerous. He could easily have broken both of Longs legs and, in agreement with the OP, he is a disgrace to our club.
He is also shit.
Well said sir. I too despair at the tendency to remove all physical contact from the game, with players falling over at the merest touch, every shoulder to shoulder coming together resulting in a free kick rather than a tussle for the ball and all this "there was contact" bollocks that so-called commentators like to vomit out whenever there is a penalty appeal. We can all wax lyrical about the good old days when players would routinely have their heads cut off and it was all part of the fun, but I'm old enough to remember the likes of Hunter, Smith and Harris, and to know that I neither respected or revered them because they were thugs, pure and simple, and I'm glad their ilk has been eradicated from the game. We had some hard players - George Curtis for example - but I don't recall Villa players ever going out to deliberately injure opponents (although I'm still a little unsure about that Eamon Deacy challenge that sent someone's nuts into outer space one evening down at VP circa 1981-82). I'm all for a good hard but fair tackle, but Hutton launched himself at Long in a very dangerous fashion, no two ways about it. That had nothing to do with heart and spirit and everything to do with vindictiveness and stupidity. I support the Villa but I won't support what I see as thuggery in a Villa shirt. Especially when they are also piss poor footballers.
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If it had been thuggery he would have made sure he connected and snapped the whiney little fucker in two. It was aggressive and aimed to intimidate not damage the player. I hope he does the same to Downing when we play Liverpool.
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Anyone remember Neale Cooper? He only played a few times but he liked a tackle, I seem to remember him flattening a young Stuart Pearce in a game against Forest.
I was at Celtic Park when we played the friendly against them. When Cooper's name was read out it was roundly booed.
I knew that he had played for Aberdeen but why so much venom? I was told that he was the dirtiest player in Scotland. He became my favourite player from that moment but never really got to mix it due to niggling injuries.
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It was a reckless challenge, but not a dirty one. There is a difference.
If you want to see a real dirty challenge with intent to injure, go on youtube and watch Roy Keane's tackle on Haaland.
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Thuggery? Jesus christ. It was a full blooded high impact tackle. He didn't go in to injure, he dove in to win the ball. Was it a good nice tackle? No. But it wasn't thuggery.
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I'd hope that someone will have a word with him, letting him know he's been lucky on this occasion and not to do something similar that could easily get him sent off.
Preferrably I don't want him in the team.
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I think not enough credit has been given to young Alan for the tackle, he clearly new that with Long being out for a while that Albion would need to recall Wood from Blues ;-)
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I think not enough credit has been given to young Alan for the tackle, he clearly new that with Long being out for a while that Albion would need to recall Wood from Blues ;-)
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If it had been thuggery he would have made sure he connected and snapped the whiney little fucker in two. It was aggressive and aimed to intimidate not damage the player. I hope he does the same to Downing when we play Liverpool.
He did connect and he did injure the player as a result, and it was only through fortune that he didn't snap the "whiney little fucker's" legs. How do you know if it was aimed to intimidate or to damage? Has Hutton told you his thoughts? Diving in like that he must have known there was a good chance he'd catch Long and cause some damage. You don't need to be a genius to predict that 12 stones of useless git hurtling through the air might have quite some impact on someone's lower limbs. I see that as thuggish, others are entitled to their own opinion. And how nice of you to wish something similar on another player.
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We do get all precious about this. It' a physical game, injuries are an occupational hazard so I'm not going to worry too much about a millionaire having to miss a few games.
I reiterate I hope Downing gets kicked from one end of Villa Park to the other.
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And if the manager feels the same way, when we lose due to the three sendings off that this rather outdated policy has caused, will you be worrying any more then?
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Yep, you get the feeling refs will be looking at Hutton's tackling more than ever now.
I reckon Carlos will start at RB at Sunderland anyway.
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I can't believe some of the shite poured out in this thread.
Alan Hutton hurt an Albion player. Who gives a fuck but them? Fuck me, it's still "tay fayre" when they've beat us.
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We do get all precious about this. It' a physical game, injuries are an occupational hazard so I'm not going to worry too much about a millionaire having to miss a few games.
I reiterate I hope Downing gets kicked from one end of Villa Park to the other.
He'll do a Hodge and mysteriously pick up a knock before the match. That gutless little dooshbag would not have the balls to confront a Villa Park crowd.
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I reiterate I hope Downing gets kicked from one end of Villa Park to the other.
Also at Anfield if necessary. The man is a traitor considering how we looked after him.
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"He's not a dirty player." (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2495319,00.html)
Assistant boss Peter Grant has jumped to the defence of under-fire Alan Hutton, insisting: "He's not a dirty player."
Hutton has been criticised over the past few days for a tackle which injured West Brom forward Shane Long.
But Grant was quick to step in and paint a more positive picture of Villa's reliable right-back.
"I know what he's been painted as but he's not that type of player," said Grant. "That's been proven over the years.
"People haven't said in the past that Alan is aggressive, goes over the ball and is a dirty full-back. I don't think anybody's ever said that in his career.
"They've said that he's an attacking full-back who likes to get forward.
"I think sometimes his biggest problem is that he's desperate to hit the ground running. There's that impatience in his game.
"You can see him running along the line. He's trying to get up and down the pitch.
"We're telling him 'Alan, calm down - it will come'. He's trying to make everything perfect and in football everything's not perfect.
''You're going to make mistakes. It's how you respond, what's your reaction.
''You must try and make it better the next time and that's what Alan must do.
"Alan's disappointed with certain things he's done, but there's certain things he's done very well."
Hutton is a doubt for Saturday's trip to former loan club Sunderland after sustaining a cut near his eye which required seven stitches after an accidental clash with Charles N'Zogbia.
Carlos Cuellar and Chris Herd will be in contention for the right-back spot if Hutton misses out.
Grant is convinced the Scottish international will be a long-term success at Villa.
"He's not found his feet yet," admitted Grant. "There's more to come from him and we know he can be a top player here.
"You don't go to Tottenham for the price he did if you're not a top quality full-back.
"Yes, there are different reasons why it didn't work there, we understand that. Every manager's got their own opinion and we've no problem with that.
"But there's absolutely no doubt about his ability. I saw him play three internationals on the bounce against Ukraine, Italy and France and he wasn't just Premier League class he was world-class in those three games.
"We all know he's got those performances in him."
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If it had been thuggery he would have made sure he connected and snapped the whiney little fucker in two. It was aggressive and aimed to intimidate not damage the player. I hope he does the same to Downing when we play Liverpool.
How is aiming to intimidate not thuggery? If some scummy bastard (not saying that Hutton is, for the record, just an analogy) comes up to you in the street trying to intimidate you, is he not a thug just because he doesn't hit you?
We do get all precious about this. It' a physical game, injuries are an occupational hazard so I'm not going to worry too much about a millionaire having to miss a few games.
Injuries are an occupational hazard, but when a player is aggressively reckless and out of control to the extent that he may cause a fellow professional an injury which could alter the course of his career (as we've seen in the past with broken legs), then that tackle is unacceptable.
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I think Hutton is getting a lot of undeserved stick on here
granted he is not a world beater but he hasnt played regular football for a year and i think his level will improve gradually
i watched L.Young on sunday and dont think Hutton will be a step down from him
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Hmm, we'll see I suppose. It's nice to hear that sort of praise coming from PG, but from what I've seen so far I'm not impressed. He looks clumsy in possession and has a strange awkward run, and thats before we get into his positional sense. Hope he is just taking time to settle and the trying too hard thing perhaps has some credibility. Its not an easy position to play, full back.
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I reiterate I hope Downing gets kicked from one end of Villa Park to the other.
Also at Anfield if necessary. The man is a traitor considering how we looked after him.
Absofuckinlutely!
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I don't recall the Baggies ever apologising for ending Alex Cropley's career in 1977!
and Ali Brown was also 'not that sort of player'!
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Football%3A+Alex+Cropley%3B+Then+%26+Now+Aston+Villa+1976-77.-a0152580150
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Can someone explain why once a week there has to be a declaration from someone at AV that Alan Hutton 'isn't a dirty football player'?
That said, there may be a typo error in adding the word 'dirty'.
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Is he off to Blues on loan? That's the rumour.
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I hope so.
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I hope so.
I hope not, unless they pay full wages. However shit he might be, he'd be boosting their squad
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Meh. It's nice to see them with a few of our cast offs in their team.
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They've just signed Hurst on loan from WBA who's an RB apparently.
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Enter the last page reading this and left confused as Alan Hutton had injured Shane Long. I didn't recall he played on Sunday, phew it is 11-12 months old post.
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hutton speaking clock
http://www.limmy.com/deedeespeakingclock/
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Brilliant. Has Al Hut really not been mentioned since 2012??
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hutton speaking clock
http://www.limmy.com/deedeespeakingclock/
I love that sketch, but it's Lambert I always think of when I hear him.
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I’d be surprised if we see Hutton in a Villa shirt again.
He may be finished at this level, but he’s in a very small group - he’s not let the club or the fans down, how many more players in the last ten years can say the same?
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As he walked, limped off today, me and my son said that’s the last time we see him play. I have moaned about him, but fair play he gave his all, which sometimes is all you can ask
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What is the injury? Do we know yet?
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What is the injury? Do we know yet?
Knee problem that doesn't look good...
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Yeah i moan at him at times but i have always admired him for giving his all and looking as if he cares
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Was it a collision or twist?
He may not have been good enough a lot of the time, but I agree that no one could accuse him of not giving his all and he never bottled a challenge.
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Wish him all the best. You would like to think that giving your all would be the bare minimum expected but evidently not at AVFC over the past 10 years. Was our best full back last season, probably this season too. But time to move on.
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Think that was his last game for us. I've criticized him loads over the years but no doubt he's been a good servant and cares for the club and in more defensive system he's a decent player as he showed last season.
Just hope for his sake it's not an ACL. 3-4 month job and he can get a contract at many other championship clubs, probably Sheff Weds.
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Think that was his last game for us. I've criticized him loads over the years but no doubt he's been a good servant and cares for the club and in more defensive system he's a decent player as he showed last season.
Just hope for his sake it's not an ACL. 3-4 month job and he can get a contract at many other championship clubs, probably Sheff Weds.
Indeed. And there'll always be THAT goal against Bl*es...
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is this a new Hutton thread? He's been here more years than he's got pages.
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End of an era, I hope
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Magnificent goal against Blues. Sad to see the end of any player at Villa to an injury. We move forward next season with Freddy but for now, wish Alan a speedy recovery.
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Who was the last outfield player that wasn't signed as a youth player to spend 8 years with us?
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Who was the last outfield player that wasn't signed as a youth player to spend 8 years with us?
Micah Richards? Feels like he's been here about 14 years.
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A mere 4 years. Seems like he's been here since 1874 though.
My first 2 thoughts on the answer were wrong.
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Allan Evans?
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That answer caused me sadness.
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Who was the last outfield player that wasn't signed as a youth player to spend 8 years with us?
Great question
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Steve Staunton over two periods.
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Thought Lord McGrath. Signed in late 80s and was here until early 97 I think when he went to Derby.
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One period only, my game my rules. And it still wouldn't be him anyway.
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Alan Wright
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Mark Delaney?
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7 years 11 months. He was one of my wrong thoughts. And i'm being strict on him as it was bought in Feb sold in Jan so he wasn't here for 8 full seasons.
And I know if you include bomb squad and loans etc Hutton wasn't but my game my rules!!
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Or Ian Taylor. Both he and Wight left in 2003. Taylor was with us for longer, but Wright did 8 years as well.
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Bollocks I forgot about Delaney, probably as he was injured so much, so yes it's him.
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Ian Taylor I reckon
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7 years 11 months isn't 8 years is it :P
I had it as Taylor until we had Delaney. My other wrong first thought was Ollie but he was here 7.
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Allan Evans?
Edit: fuck me, you lot managed a good chat in the time it took me to get through the front door and refresh my phone!
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Bollocks I forgot about Delaney, probably as he was injured so much, so yes it's him.
I assumed your 7 years, 11 months post was a reply to me! So I win...?? Sweet 😊
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No it was about Wright. So yep, good job you did as well otherwise poor old Mark would have been forgotten!
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7 years 11 months isn't 8 years is it :P
I had it as Taylor until we had Delaney. My other wrong first thought was Ollie but he was here 7.
You need to check your workings. Wright's last game for us was on 22 March 2003.
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Don’t think we ever replaced him! Most recent, dependable RB we’ve had...which is shocking. Oh, apart from Habib Beye obviously...
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7 years 11 months isn't 8 years is it :P
I had it as Taylor until we had Delaney. My other wrong first thought was Ollie but he was here 7.
You need to check your workings. Wright's last game for us was on 22 March 2003.
Either way it was still Delaney. So we were both wrong.
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Alan Hutton is more concrete than Ron.
I expect him back next week.
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Don’t think we ever replaced him! Most recent, dependable RB we’ve had...which is shocking. Oh, apart from Habib Beye obviously...
When he was fit he was very good. Sadly suffered with too many injuries, and really not helped by the assault of a challenge by Bocanegra.
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I think Hutton may find out next week his Villa career is over. Shame it will end this way.
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He’s definitely played his last game for us, you could see it on his face as he limped off. Thanks for the memories, Alan.
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He’s definitely played his last game for us, you could see it on his face as he limped off. Thanks for the memories, Alan.
You what, mate?
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He’s definitely played his last game for us, you could see it on his face as he limped off. Thanks for the memories, Alan.
You what, mate?
I think he means Hutton was visibly upset knowing that the injury was likely serious enough to mean he won't play for us again.
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#sadnessinhiseyes
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I posted a long time ago that when Alan Hutton leaves he goes with my utmost respect. His shortcomings as a footballer are well documented here but his professionalism and the manner in which he conducted himself are, in my opinion unquestionable. I'm quite saddened actually that his Villa career has been ended by injury if indeed that is the case. He deserved to play in the last home game to be given a final round of applause as a thank you by those that wished it. Thanks Alan, I'll always remember you as a Villa man.
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Yes, he was visibly upset when he went off, he probably realised that it wasn't just a knock and could signal the end of his career at Villa.
Pleased that he got a good reception from the fans as he was limping along the touchline.
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he'll be back for Norwich even if he's on crutches.
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7 years 11 months isn't 8 years is it :P
I had it as Taylor until we had Delaney. My other wrong first thought was Ollie but he was here 7.
Hutton won't technically be 8 years either, signed on August 31st 2011 so wasn't here for full 11-12 season.
Your rules though PWS....(winky).
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I posted a long time ago that when Alan Hutton leaves he goes with my utmost respect. His shortcomings as a footballer are well documented here but his professionalism and the manner in which he conducted himself are, in my opinion unquestionable. I'm quite saddened actually that his Villa career has been ended by injury if indeed that is the case. He deserved to play in the last home game to be given a final round of applause as a thank you by those that wished it. Thanks Alan, I'll always remember you as a Villa man.
I was going to write this, and then I saw this. Perfect.
Sweated blood for us when so many other players over the years never even sweated.
Everyone will remember the SHA goal, I'll certainly remember the two games against Boro where he nullified their main threat for 180 minutes whilst playing out of position.
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I posted a long time ago that when Alan Hutton leaves he goes with my utmost respect. His shortcomings as a footballer are well documented here but his professionalism and the manner in which he conducted himself are, in my opinion unquestionable. I'm quite saddened actually that his Villa career has been ended by injury if indeed that is the case. He deserved to play in the last home game to be given a final round of applause as a thank you by those that wished it. Thanks Alan, I'll always remember you as a Villa man.
Well said.
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I posted a long time ago that when Alan Hutton leaves he goes with my utmost respect. His shortcomings as a footballer are well documented here but his professionalism and the manner in which he conducted himself are, in my opinion unquestionable. I'm quite saddened actually that his Villa career has been ended by injury if indeed that is the case. He deserved to play in the last home game to be given a final round of applause as a thank you by those that wished it. Thanks Alan, I'll always remember you as a Villa man.
I hope he hasn't played his last game but if he has, then this sums up what I think perfectly.
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I posted a long time ago that when Alan Hutton leaves he goes with my utmost respect. His shortcomings as a footballer are well documented here but his professionalism and the manner in which he conducted himself are, in my opinion unquestionable. I'm quite saddened actually that his Villa career has been ended by injury if indeed that is the case. He deserved to play in the last home game to be given a final round of applause as a thank you by those that wished it. Thanks Alan, I'll always remember you as a Villa man.
I hope he hasn't played his last game but if he has, then this sums up what I think perfectly.
Encapsulates my feelings as well.
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I posted a long time ago that when Alan Hutton leaves he goes with my utmost respect. His shortcomings as a footballer are well documented here but his professionalism and the manner in which he conducted himself are, in my opinion unquestionable. I'm quite saddened actually that his Villa career has been ended by injury if indeed that is the case. He deserved to play in the last home game to be given a final round of applause as a thank you by those that wished it. Thanks Alan, I'll always remember you as a Villa man.
I hope he hasn't played his last game but if he has, then this sums up what I think perfectly.
Me too, a great pro and a fighter who has defied many a managers cull.
Encapsulates my feelings as well.
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I posted a long time ago that when Alan Hutton leaves he goes with my utmost respect. His shortcomings as a footballer are well documented here but his professionalism and the manner in which he conducted himself are, in my opinion unquestionable. I'm quite saddened actually that his Villa career has been ended by injury if indeed that is the case. He deserved to play in the last home game to be given a final round of applause as a thank you by those that wished it. Thanks Alan, I'll always remember you as a Villa man.
I hope he hasn't played his last game but if he has, then this sums up what I think perfectly.
Me too, a great pro and a fighter who has defied many a managers cull.
Encapsulates my feelings as well.
And me.
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Alright, stop gushing over him! He'd tell you in his best Weegie-way not to be so soft...
As for longevity, interesting that two of the stalwarts mentioned - Delaney and Taylor, are still working for/involved with the club and have been for quite a few years in addition to their playing careers.
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Alan was/is a good servant to the club but as yet, there are no grounds for beatification, although I will put in a word with one of his eminences soon.
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My feelings also. The Scottish SNAFU. A beacon of endeavour in a decade of "what? who? me?" Moderate player. Great bloke.
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His talents were always limited and faded even more as he got older. But in terms of being a professional and dedicated through all of the adversity, the bomb squad nonsense, that cannot be doubted. He's not a Villa legend but he will be remembered fondly for giving a shit over many years when many around him past and present fell well, well short of that.
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A very poor player, whose legs are now gone.
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A very poor player, whose legs are now gone.
He's not half as bad as some pretend him to be. His legs won't do two games a week as was highlighted over the Christmas/New Year period. The last few games he's been fine as we've only played once a week. I had hoped that Dean Smith would have noticed and used Elmo to give Hutton a rest.
I'm another agreeing with Dave Shelley's post. I'll thank Hutton and wish him the best in the future.
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His goal against SHA will live long in the memory.
I would say a very limited player but at least he seemed to care.
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Elmo proved time and again he is a better right back than a winger yesterday.. and with that proved he is the best right back at club by a mile.
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I won't knock Hutton's attitude or commitment. He's just not very good.
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Someone on Twitter saying he's out for 8 weeks.
Obviously it's Twitter, so he could be out for 10 days or 6 months.
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Elmo proved time and again he is a better right back than a winger yesterday.. and with that proved he is the best right back at club by a mile.
And therein lies the problem. Elmo has 12 months left whereas Hutton's contract expires in the Summer.
With the new signing sure to be starting next season, Elmo will be the most obvious/sensible back up, leaving no room for Hutton.
While we're at it, I'd try and get our money back for Bree. I've seen nothing to convince me that he's anywhere near good enough and struggled to understand the clamor for him to start games.
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If every player we've had for the last decade had Hutton's attitude we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. If every player we've had for the last decade had Hutton's ability we'd be in a bigger mess and have got there sooner.
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A mate of mine went to his first game in years. He's been ahem away for a while. His son got him a ticket and took him. We were having a pint at half time and he said to his lad "why are the holte end singing the scottish baboon to Alan Hutton?" I explained it was the scottish cafu after everyone had stopped laughing.
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If every player we've had for the last decade had Hutton's attitude we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. If every player we've had for the last decade had Hutton's ability we'd be in a bigger mess and have got there sooner.
Yep can't fault his attitude and his skill set should at least get him into the bromsgrove side next season.
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I won't knock Hutton's attitude or commitment. He's just not very good.
And nowhere near as bad as you make out.
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He's very poor. He cannot deliver a cross switches off too frequently and gets caught out with decision making. He's now too slow to get back in orderly fashion.
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Somebody on Twitter (where else?) has suggested we retire his shirt. Jesus H bloody Christ.
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We could get Elton John to compose a song for him too.
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Somebody on Twitter (where else?) has suggested we retire his shirt. Jesus H bloody Christ.
Ridiculous, we should rename the stadium in tribute to him. The McCafu Arena sounds good.
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Candle at the Back?
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And it seems to me,
That he marked their winger,
LIke a candle in the wind.
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The people's full back.
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Somebody on Twitter (where else?) has suggested we retire his shirt. Jesus H bloody Christ.
Ridiculous, we should rename the stadium in tribute to him. The McCafu Arena sounds good.
We could put it on wheels and move it up and down Witton Lane so it's always about fifty yards away from where it's meant to be.
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Somebody on Twitter (where else?) has suggested we retire his shirt. Jesus H bloody Christ.
Ridiculous, we should rename the stadium in tribute to him. The McCafu Arena sounds good.
We could put it on wheels and move it up and down Witton Lane so it's always about fifty yards away from where it's meant to be.
Where’s the like button when you need it?
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Post of the month.
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All we need is a statue of him in Tescos car park - where legend has it - is where he started his run for that goal against Small Heath
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all the best Hutts
always gave his all
we have had some great Alans down the years
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all the best Hutts
always gave his all
we have had some great Alans down the years
The best was an Allan (Evans ) not an Alan. Apart from that I can only think of Wright, Deakin & McInally.
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Alan always worked his arse off and kept his fitness up even when he was frozen out through no fault of his own... when many players in the same position would have taken the opportunity to laze around and top up on their pie collection. He is a better player than many have given him credit for too, I enjoyed many of his runs and his crunching tackles. Don't forget he has pretty much always had to put up with having a load of shite alongside him since he got here. I shall miss him. The Blose goal is a nice epitaph for his Villa career.
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all the best Hutts
always gave his all
we have had some great Alans down the years
The best was an Allan (Evans ) not an Alan. Apart from that I can only think of Wright & Deakin.
Rambo.
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all the best Hutts
always gave his all
we have had some great Alans down the years
The best was an Allan (Evans ) not an Alan. Apart from that I can only think of Wright & Deakin.
Rambo.
I think he may have played with Spinsky and Birchy for some reason.
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all the best Hutts
always gave his all
we have had some great Alans down the years
The best was an Allan (Evans ) not an Alan. Apart from that I can only think of Wright & Deakin.
Rambo.
I think he may have played with Spinsky and Birchy for some reason.
With Spinksy and Birchy, Sylvester Stalloney !
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I just wish supporters of another club were thanking him for his endeavours. Sadly it was us that had to watch him.
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We nearly had a very untypical one. He was on Sky yesterday commenting on the public humiliation of the Chelsea manager. He could not resist taking the piss out of us, as is his way, by recalling when he played against us with Platty in goal.
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Good attitude most of the time BUT his positioning is awful and another that half runs back when caught wildly out of position.
Get fit soon.
Glad when he's gone though as he wouldn't get in any of the top 6 teams and that's where we have to be.
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I just wish supporters of another club were thanking him for his endeavours. Sadly it was us that had to watch him.
No need. Absolutely no need.
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Alan Wright got dogs abuse when he played for us and was often the favourite scapegoat
he's remembered fondly now, i think Hutton will be the same
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I hope we get to see him again before he does leave us he's got a tremendous work ethic and commitment and desire after what he went through with the bomb squad malarkey and taking a pay cut I would love to see him play for us again get well soon Alan.
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You can still like him and think he's not good enough.
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So many players have passed through our club in the last 10 years with much more ability than Hutton. If they had all shown his commitment and work ethic we would be in a much better place than we find ourselves.
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I just wish supporters of another club were thanking him for his endeavours. Sadly it was us that had to watch him.
Really?
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I had the pleasure of meeting Alan Hutton at a charity do once. He was surprisingly down to earth and VERY funny.
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I had the pleasure of meeting Alan Hutton at a charity do once. He was surprisingly down to earth and VERY funny.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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A Villa man. There's that phrase going about how some were born Villa and others fell in love. Never more apt than for Alan Hutton. A bloke who despite everything always gave it his absolute best. Top man.
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Just been confirmed starts for the U23's tonight.
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Confirmed where? That sounds unlikely.
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We all would have liked to be as good as Sir Brian, Sid or God. In reality we would be more than happy to show the wholehearted commitment to the Villa cause that Hutton has shown over the years.
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I'll always respect Hutton the man, but as a player he drove me barmy.
Fingers crossed he isn't finished and he can get better and find a new club to end his career at
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I'll always respect Hutton the man, but as a player he drove me barmy.
Fingers crossed he isn't finished and he can get better and find a new club to end his career at
Absolutely, just said as much
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Out for a number weeks but a chance he'll be back before the end of the season.
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Out for a number weeks but a chance he'll be back before the end of the season.
Ah! So the idea of retiring his shirt wasn't such a bad one then!
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Out for a number weeks but a chance he'll be back before the end of the season.
Ah! So the idea of retiring his shirt wasn't such a bad one then!
Ha ha, quick get it retired! "Sorry Alan, we would play you again, but technically we're not allowed to as we've retired your shirt and taken your name off the squad list."
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I think we should fill said shirt with a balloon and sett it off down the wing at kick off.
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I think we should fill said shirt with a balloon and sett it off down the wing at kick off.
Are we getting Ross McCormack back from his loan then?
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I will miss his commitment and his first rate attitude but I won't miss that look of his that said.....where the fuckin hell did that winger come from ?
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I think we should fill said shirt with a balloon and sett it off down the wing at kick off.
That might be more useful than Hutton at defending.
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Just been confirmed starts for the U23's tonight.
Congratulations - you had me fooled
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Good luck Alan. I wasn’t quite sure what to make if you when you 1st arrived but through hard work effort and passion you’ve become a Villa icon! You’ll always be a Villan and thanks for that messi type goal against the scum earlier in the season. Cheers for everything the Scottish Cafu!
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Yes I know he is a player with a number of detractors on here but if the rest of the squad had had a fraction of his work ethic and commitment we would never have been relegated. Blamed (rightly) for some poor crosses but often he was the only Villa player getting into positions to do so. For me he will always be welcome at Villa Park
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Yes I know he is a player with a number of detractors on here but if the rest of the squad had had a fraction of his work ethic and commitment we would never have been relegated. Blamed (rightly) for some poor crosses but often he was the only Villa player getting into positions to do so. For me he will always be welcome at Villa Park
Exactly, I have defended him many times on here but he will always be a favourite of mine for his sheer work ethic, never moaning, just getting on with the job and most of all that unforgettable Messi type goal against the slum dwellers which I was privileged to watch live and will never ever forget!
Best of luck in the future and hope to see you back sometime! UTV
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Yes I know he is a player with a number of detractors on here but if the rest of the squad had had a fraction of his work ethic and commitment we would never have been relegated. Blamed (rightly) for some poor crosses but often he was the only Villa player getting into positions to do so. For me he will always be welcome at Villa Park
Exactly, I have defended him many times on here but he will always be a favourite of mine for his sheer work ethic, never moaning, just getting on with the job and most of all that unforgettable Messi type goal against the slum dwellers which I was privileged to watch live and will never ever forget!
Best of luck in the future and hope to see you back sometime! UTV
Agree, one of the very few players that got relegated and can hold his head high. He did his best, worked hard and never hid. He had his limitations as well but I genuinely believe he loved our club. He will never be forgotten especially the goal at home against Blues. Many thanks and all the luck for the future.
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He'll go down as one of my all time favourite players, a proper good bloke in a time of uber ****** footballers. Played very well for us over the past three seasons as well.
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A lower half Championship level footballer at best. A PL attitude and a superb squad member as many of the veteran players turned out to be. As much as the squad all celebrated last week there must have been some sadness there too as inevitably players like Hutton were set to leave soon after. I have no doubt he will find a club and have a few more years in his career.
Good luck to The Scottish Cafu
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The thing with Hutton is that despite being not very good he played so many games for us. That pretty much sums up our last few seasons.
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Yes I know he is a player with a number of detractors on here but if the rest of the squad had had a fraction of his work ethic and commitment we would never have been relegated. Blamed (rightly) for some poor crosses but often he was the only Villa player getting into positions to do so. For me he will always be welcome at Villa Park
He also bore the brunt of the fans anger when he ended up covering for Dunne or Collins as they were too slow to get back.
I took time off watching the games to Watch certain individuals. It was amazing how many times those two left Hutts in the sh*te
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The bloke always did his best and that's all any of us could ever ask for. If he ever comes back to Villa Park im sure he'll get a great reception. Cheers Alan, top man!
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Good luck big Al, amazing attitude even though he’s been binned by a squillion mangers in his time here. Never moaned and just got on with it.
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He got the ball.
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He got the ball.
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Was that the game with Woy Hodgson crying afterwards about foul play?
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Was that the game with Woy Hodgson crying afterwards about foul play?
Woy was the Long challenge I think, then again he insisted Herd stamped on one of their players the twunt.
This one was on Berahino and was the midweek game before the FA Cup iirc
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Fair-thee-well Alan. You came, tried hard, scored a couple of absolutely legendary goals and left with your head truly held high. Which is something nobody expected after your first couple of seasons.
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Best of luck Hutts.
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Fair-thee-well Alan. You came, tried hard, scored a couple of absolutely legendary goals and left with your head truly held high. Which is something nobody expected after your first couple of seasons.
Yep was bought as a Premier League player, but redeemed himself in the Championship. The goal at Hull and the one against Blues will live long in the memory.
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Was that the game with Woy Hodgson crying afterwards about foul play?
Woy was the Long challenge I think, then again he insisted Herd stamped on one of their players the twunt.
This one was on Berahino and was the midweek game before the FA Cup iirc
nowt wrong with that. Got the ball. Berahino rolling around the fucking nonce.
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I think my favourite was at the end of the Blues game but it got overshadowed by his goal. He clean wiped out two of the Blues players at the same time. They were fuming. Of course, entirely accidental....
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They were in his way, to be fair.
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Best of luck for the future, McCafu. Hope you get a few more years playing. Thought he was an awful signing when he came, but he's left as one of my all time favourites. Had his flaws, as we all do, but his character wasn't one. Definite good guy.
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They were in his way, to be fair.
They knew the risks when they entered the field of play.
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Good luck Alan. 😢
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I think my favourite was at the end of the Blues game but it got overshadowed by his goal. He clean wiped out two of the Blues players at the same time. They were fuming. Of course, entirely accidental....
LOVED that challenge
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Class act. I'll miss those marauding McCafu runs. Absolute top pro. Hope he has a couple more decent years in the championship he's kept himself in great nick.
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Great attitude, some great goals and I for one will miss him. However the time was right to let him go. I sincerely hope he gets another championship club for a couple of years. Sheffield Wednesday maybe?
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For me, Alan Hutton epitomises the spirit of Aston Villa. No matter how much we've been down we have battled back to rise again. The downs Hutton has endured in his time here he just got his head down and got on with it and then rose to become a first team regular with his never-say-die attitude. A shining example of professional attitude. Farewell Alan, thanks for your efforts and I'll always remember you.
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For me, Alan Hutton epitomises the spirit of Aston Villa. No matter how much we've been down we have battled back to rise again. The downs Hutton has endured in his time here he just got his head down and got on with it and then rose to become a first team regular with his never-say-die attitude. A shining example of professional attitude. Farewell Alan, thanks for your efforts and I'll always remember you.
A lone ranger if you like.
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For me, Alan Hutton epitomises the spirit of Aston Villa. No matter how much we've been down we have battled back to rise again. The downs Hutton has endured in his time here he just got his head down and got on with it and then rose to become a first team regular with his never-say-die attitude. A shining example of professional attitude. Farewell Alan, thanks for your efforts and I'll always remember you.
This.
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For me, Alan Hutton epitomises the spirit of Aston Villa. No matter how much we've been down we have battled back to rise again. The downs Hutton has endured in his time here he just got his head down and got on with it and then rose to become a first team regular with his never-say-die attitude. A shining example of professional attitude. Farewell Alan, thanks for your efforts and I'll always remember you.
This.
Re-emerged from the ignominy of the absurd bomb squad to play a good part in our promotion. Good man.
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Was that the game with Woy Hodgson crying afterwards about foul play?
Woy was the Long challenge I think, then again he insisted Herd stamped on one of their players the twunt.
This one was on Berahino and was the midweek game before the FA Cup iirc
nowt wrong with that. Got the ball. Berahino rolling around the fucking nonce.
Diving fanny.
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Was that the game with Woy Hodgson crying afterwards about foul play?
Woy was the Long challenge I think, then again he insisted Herd stamped on one of their players the twunt.
This one was on Berahino and was the midweek game before the FA Cup iirc
nowt wrong with that. Got the ball. Berahino rolling around the fucking nonce.
Diving fanny.
He's gone down in installments, the fanny dangler.
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A really good servant to the club. His send off at Norwich was fantastic and it's great that he got to say goodbye like that.
Cheers Cafu.
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A really good servant to the club. His send off at Norwich was fantastic and it's great that he got to say goodbye like that.
Cheers Cafu.
Indeed, I guess we all knew (and him to in all likelihood) that this was happening when Deano gave that chance to us all.
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From his Instagram today :
I’d like the thank @avfcofficial for an amazing 8 years. I have met so many brilliant people along the way, that I can now say are friends for life. All good things must come to an end, but wow it couldn’t of ended any better! A MASSIVE thanks has to go to the fans, you stuck by me through thick and thin. It will live with me for ever. Love you all 💜💜. #UTV
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Always gave 100 percent, you can’t take that for granted ,good luck hope you get another deal in the championship.
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Top man.
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Alan (that tackle, and that goal) Hutton. Will be how he is fondly remembered in years to come.
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Id be offering him a job coaching the youth while he does his badges.
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From his Instagram today :
I’d like the thank @avfcofficial for an amazing 8 years. I have met so many brilliant people along the way, that I can now say are friends for life. All good things must come to an end, but wow it couldn’t of ended any better! A MASSIVE thanks has to go to the fans, you stuck by me through thick and thin. It will live with me for ever. Love you all 💜💜. #UTV
What a man but wouldn't have expected anything less.
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From his Instagram today :
I’d like the thank @avfcofficial for an amazing 8 years. I have met so many brilliant people along the way, that I can now say are friends for life. All good things must come to an end, but wow it couldn’t of ended any better! A MASSIVE thanks has to go to the fans, you stuck by me through thick and thin. It will live with me for ever. Love you all 💜💜. #UTV
Top Man.
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From his Instagram today :
I’d like the thank @avfcofficial for an amazing 8 years. I have met so many brilliant people along the way, that I can now say are friends for life. All good things must come to an end, but wow it couldn’t of ended any better! A MASSIVE thanks has to go to the fans, you stuck by me through thick and thin. It will live with me for ever. Love you all 💜💜. #UTV
Sounds like he just left Strictly Come Dancing.
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Brilliant farewell message from Alan Hutton, what a top bloke he is.
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Yeah despite not being a big fan of him as a player I have nothing against Hutton. He's been a top Pro for us and given his best throughout his Villa career. Good luck to him for the future.
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it couldn’t of ended any better!
Is this how you want people to remember you Alan? Tsk!
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it couldn’t of ended any better!
Is this how you want people to remember you Alan? Tsk!
He is Scottish. For that to be the only mistake is quite the achievement!
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I’d like the thank @avfcofficial
Well, there's that too.
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Good luck for the future Alan!
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Good servant to the club through some incredibly turbulent times. Best of luck to him.
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A good servant who was very well rewarded for being very poor, in the main.
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Oh, sod off. He wasn't very poor in the main. I'll miss Hutton. He came here as just another player and he left as One Of Us.
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Oh, sod off. He wasn't very poor in the main. I'll miss Hutton. He came here as just another player and he left as One Of Us.
Hear, hear.
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Bullshit. He was a liability for most of his time with us. I'm sure he's a great guy and was here for years, but it doesn't alter the fact that he is a very limited player.
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And again.
Oh, sod off.
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No , I won't. My opinion is just as valid as yours.
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the truth is somewhere in between you guys ,
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Bullshit. He was a liability for most of his time with us. I'm sure he's a great guy and was here for years, but it doesn't alter the fact that he is a very limited player.
100% this.
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In the top division he was caught out of position all the time. He lunged in, missed or got booked. In the Championship he was better and I think had his best season when playing alongside Terry, who could lead and guide him. He was alps great in the play-off semi last season and played Traore out of the match.
He tried really hard, was professional throughout, became one of us and for that we should be thankful and respectful.
I hope that he comes back one day as an ambassador or similar.
Oh and he scored, THAT goal.
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He was very average but if we'd had more players who were average in the years before we went down we might not have been relegated.
His work ethic was clearly his strongest trait and you generally knew what you were getting from him - he rarely had a shocker in the same way he was never close to being man of the match. He was also treated dreadfully by Lambert and not once did he slag the club off in public.
He's not good enough for the Prem so it's right we move him on but to say he was a liability is completely off the mark.
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He wasn't very poor in the main and to say that is just churlish. We all know his limtations and he was no world beater. But he was consistently a decent reliable performer for us, particularly in the Championship years. Saying he was 'very poor' is uncecessarily unkind to a very decent servant to the club.
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Well, he was a good championship player who had some limitations (which were shown up at times); and he had a commitment and the occasional inspired moment that lifted him above the Championship average.
For his dogged determination not to be cast aside in the 'bomb squad', kudos to him.
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Well, he was a good championship player who had some limitations (which were shown up at times); and he had a commitment and the occasional inspired moment that lifted him above the Championship average.
For his dogged determination not to be cast aside in the 'bomb squad', kudos to him.
Yep.
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Not forgetting for a fair period not only was he the best right back but he was also the best left back at the club.
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If he reminds me of anyone it's Eamonn Deacey. Not the most elegant of full backs, but loyal to the club and totally committed to the cause.
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He wasn't very poor in the main and to say that is just churlish
In your opinion. Personally i winced every time he wore the shirt as no matter how much effort he supposedly put in (unless it was running back to cover the huge gaps he'd leave in defence) he was a very very limited footballer. Neither that good defensively or going forward. And that's in the championship!
That game against Norwich when Elmo was rested saw them carve us apart down his side about 3 times in the first ten minutes. They clearly knew who to target.
Some people don't seem to be able to separate liking Hutton the man and recognising he was always a very average footballer. He's always come across as a very decent bloke who loves the club. And that's great.
But it's absolutely no coincidence how our form picked up once he was out the side and Elmo came in either.
I wish him well but wont miss him one iota on the pitch clearly.
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He wasn't very poor in the main and to say that is just churlish
In your opinion. Personally i winced every time he wore the shirt as no matter how much effort he supposedly put in (unless it was running back to cover the huge gaps he'd leave in defence) he was a very very limited footballer. Neither that good defensively or going forward. And that's in the championship!
That game against Norwich when Elmo was rested saw them carve us apart down his side about 3 times in the first ten minutes. They clearly knew who to target.
Some people don't seem to be able to separate liking Hutton the man and recognising he was always a very average footballer. He's always come across as a very decent bloke who loves the club. And that's great.
But it's absolutely no coincidence how our form picked up once he was out the side and Elmo came in either.
I wish him well but wont miss him one iota on the pitch clearly.
I agree. There's a strong smell of 'we can nice about him now he's left' on this thread. He tried hard and didn't moan but most importantly he was bog ordinary.
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In a time when we've had an endless list of players who have taken the piss out of the club & fans Hutton is one of the few that didn't .
I'll always have huge amount of respect for him for that, regardless of his playing limitations.
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Let's also remember he took a one year contract with us last summer on half the money and contract length Forest offered him. He is a good egg in my book.
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That game against Norwich when Elmo was rested saw them carve us apart down his side about 3 times in the first ten minutes. They clearly knew who to target.
That game where he'd been out for 3 months and was then chucked in as a starter in his first game back against the champions of the division?
Of course he was out of touch - judging him on that is ridiculous.
He was average. In the time he's been with us we've seen much worse and we've seen much better. We move on.
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Goodbye and good luck Alan. Thanks for the goal against Shite Heath.
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He was not a brilliant Villa player but he was a very memorable one.
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A man for the times
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If he reminds me of anyone it's Eamonn Deacey. Not the most elegant of full backs, but loyal to the club and totally committed to the cause.
I have grown to like Hutton and appreciate the contribution he made latterly. However, in the pantheon of Villa cult heroes, he doesn't come close to legend that is Eamonn Dearcy.
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If he reminds me of anyone it's Eamonn Deacey. Not the most elegant of full backs, but loyal to the club and totally committed to the cause.
I have grown to like Hutton and appreciate the contribution he made latterly. However, in the pantheon of Villa cult heroes, he doesn't come close to legend that is Eamonn Dearcy.
Of course he doesn't. I was just saying that while neither of them had the talent of a Gidman or a Swain, they made up for it with grit and sheer force of will.
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I was always a bit surprised when Deacy managed to stay on the pitch for 90 minutes, and I thought the same about Hutton in his first appearances.
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Signing for Forest, apparently.
Good luck to him.
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Seems like a good move for him. He won't have to move very far if at all, a Championship side and I'd have thought they would pay reasonable wages.
Plus when O'Neill gets canned sometime before Christmas he might get to play for a decent manager.
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Fair play.
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Pleased he's getting a very decent move if that's the case.
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Good luck Hutts.
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Typical MON signing.
But good luck to him.
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Good luck AH.
The very Poor Man's Brian Clough will fuck off soon enough.
You'll get to play under the Lincoln fellows thereafter - probably improve as a player
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Typical MON signing.
But good luck to him.
MON?
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Ignore me, forgot the pubeheaded judas twat was at Forest.
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Typical MON signing.
But good luck to him.
MON?
I think he was signed by McLeish. But he was a full back so I suppose that qualifies him as a typical MON signing ;)
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That was my thinking until I remembered where pubey is now, hence my second post.
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I met him at the Villa visit to Acorns the Xmas before last. A really nice guy but with a slight air of menace which impressed me.
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Good luck to the Scottish Cafu, MONdoes like a right back, even if it aint a right back
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Seems like a good move for him. He won't have to move very far if at all, a Championship side and I'd have thought they would pay reasonable wages.
Plus when O'Neill gets canned sometime before Christmas he might get to play for a decent manager.
If MON gets canned before Xmas Hutton might get to be player manager.
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Good luck to him
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Hope he does well for them, my fave Villa player if recent years. The only player from that era to emerge with any credit. Villa through and through.
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I met him at the Villa visit to Acorns the Xmas before last. A really nice guy but with a slight air of menace which impressed me.
He's Scottish though, isn't that kinda standard?
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All the best Mr McCafu.UTV
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It's almost 1 am and I'm pretty well pissed but, I 'm struggling to think of any player that left the Villa that I wished as much luck as Alan Hutton. By the time I hopefully wake up, I probably will. Not many mind.
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Alan Fucking Hutton
Thanks for those two goals (Hull and Blues) and for working hard in the corners
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Alan Fucking Hutton
Thanks for those two goals (Hull and Blues) and for working hard in the corners
Yeah, he covered the receivers real good.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp0djgMRwj1qbbx6fo1_500.jpg)
Best of luck, Al. heart of a lion.
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Good luck Alan, what a superb, committed and great attitude to have. Scored some outstanding goals and always gave his best.
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His first three league games are Albion, Leeds and Small Heath. Be nice if he starts his Forest career with nine points.
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I hope he'll be satisfied sitting on the bench whilst an agricultural centre back occupies the RB (and probably LB) spot. At least until MON signs a whole new defence in a year's time, at which time he'll be on the bench behind two agricultural CBs.
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I hope he'll be satisfied sitting on the bench whilst an agricultural centre back occupies the RB (and probably LB) spot. At least until MON signs a whole new defence in a year's time, at which time he'll be on the bench behind two agricultural CBs.
He'll take the 'Habib Beye' squad role, which is to get paid lots to be on the bench.
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I met him at the Villa visit to Acorns the Xmas before last. A really nice guy but with a slight air of menace which impressed me.
He's Scottish though, isn't that kinda standard?
He's already scared off Roy Keane.
Roy Keane: Nottingham Forest assistant boss leaves Championship club
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48737297
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I met him at the Villa visit to Acorns the Xmas before last. A really nice guy but with a slight air of menace which impressed me.
He's Scottish though, isn't that kinda standard?
He's already scared off Roy Keane.
Roy Keane: Nottingham Forest assistant boss leaves Championship club
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48737297
He's probably had to go to anger management. I reckon that Lingard Instagram video finally broke Keano.
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Never saw what others did in Hutton. I always thought he flattered to deceive with his hard running with little at either end but I could not fault his attitude, which was 100%. A nice level headed guy off the field as well.
He looks as though he looks after himself fitness-wise and can see him going on a long time in the game, unlike a recently retired s*** attitude player from this club. If a player lacks ability of others, all you can ask is for him to be professional and give his all. Hutton did this and I wish him all the best for the rest of his career. A repeat of his Blues goal against them again wouldn't go a miss, too.
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Never really a fan of Hutton but fair play to him and his work ethic and thanks for that goal, deserves a decent contract at a proper football club like Forest. Good luck.
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Was not the biggest fan of AH ,i felt sides played on his lack of awareness while defending but i will always remember him for always giving 100% and caring .I wish him well in the future
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We all have our opinions on what's good or not. Hutton was/is one of us. All power to him.
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We all have our opinions on what's good or not. Hutton was/is one of us. All power to him.
My thoughts exactly.
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We all have our opinions on what's good or not. Hutton was/is one of us. All power to him.
*applauds*
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I don't consider him "one of us" whatever that is supposed to mean. He was good at trundling up the wing and achieving very little with his crosses, good at trundling back so slowly he was often caught out of position while the opposition winger assisted or scored, good at just being badly positioned and caught out, and good at "reducer" challenges every now and then. OK he scored a couple of wonder goals and one of them was against Blues. And he didn't complain when left out and in the bomb squad. But then I wouldn't complain if I had a job paying 30-40k a week and had to do fuck all for it. He seems a decent chap in many ways and I wish him all the best but like others I don't get the love-in.
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Look, there's a time and place for cold, hard-headedness ansd a complete removal of empathy or romance, and it's usually in the department of work and pensions under a Tory government when considering the circumstances of a poor person
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Look, there's a time and place for cold, hard-headedness ansd a complete removal of empathy or romance, and it's usually in the department of work and pensions under a Tory government when considering the circumstances of a poor person
Two nails hit simultaneously on the bonce.
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Agree about the Tories, rest of post is just stifling debate.
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Agree about the Tories, rest of post is just stifling debate.
Correct, we are still basking in that post promotion glow and only nice fluffy thoughts are allowed until we bump heavily back to earth in August. It's a bit like how we dwell more on the Villa than our mortality.
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Agree about the Tories, rest of post is just stifling debate.
To be fair, the whole post was just an opportunity to dig at the Tories. You post just provided the platform.
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Agree about the Tories, rest of post is just stifling debate.
To be fair, the whole post was just an opportunity to dig at the Tories. You post just provided the platform.
And none the worse for that.
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Fair enough, no complaints with digs at the Tories.
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until Corbin impoverishes everyone and we all end up eating our pets.
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Who's Corbin? The bloke that invented the trouser press?
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until Corbin impoverishes everyone and we all end up eating our pets.
I see you a Jeremy Corbyn (who I agree is a tit) and raise you a Boris 'twice sacked for lying, picanninies with watermelon smiles, muslim women look like letterboxes, discussing having someone beaten up on the phone, screaming, swearing breaking things in the early hours, chancer, opportunist and serial liar' Johnson.
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Ah, Jeremy Corbyn. Yeah, he's a twat, but I'm always slightly amused by those that fear life under his governance, when over the last 9 years our society and politics have been ripped apart despite starting out in a relatively comfortable place.
It's like worrying what the crusty looking bloke over the road is up to whilst you're having your face kicked in by a gang of youths.
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Ah Boris - our next PM and very own version of Trump. Marvellous. No need to fear Corbyn's governance, he's got as much chance of being elected as Alan Hutton has.
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Anyone who owns anything should be afraid of Corbyn because he'll take everything you have, his Land for the many document makes that unequivocally clear. He's a anti-semite terrorist supporting thuggish wanker, who is perfectly happy to have his momentum henchmen threaten anyone who disagrees with him, with rape and death threats.
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Put your hands where we can see them and move slowly away from the Daily Mail
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Anyone who owns anything should be afraid of Corbyn because he'll take everything you have, his Land for the many document makes that unequivocally clear. He's a anti-semite terrorist supporting thuggish wanker, who is perfectly happy to have his momentum henchmen threaten anyone who disagrees with him, with rape and death threats.
::)
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Hull City have 'climbed into pole position' to land released Aston Villa defender Alan Hutton, according to Football Insider
also
Nottingham Forest are said to be on the verge of signing Alan Hutton following the veteran right-back's departure from Aston Villa. Sports Mole
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Presumably 'Sports Mole' is blind and didn't that Hutton has already signed for Forest.
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Anyone who owns anything should be afraid of Corbyn because he'll take everything you have, his Land for the many document makes that unequivocally clear. He's a anti-semite terrorist supporting thuggish wanker, who is perfectly happy to have his momentum henchmen threaten anyone who disagrees with him, with rape and death threats.
What fresh fuckwitery is this? Name a single thing that you'll lose.
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Anyone who owns anything should be afraid of Corbyn because he'll take everything you have, his Land for the many document makes that unequivocally clear. He's a anti-semite terrorist supporting thuggish wanker, who is perfectly happy to have his momentum henchmen threaten anyone who disagrees with him, with rape and death threats.
?????????
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Anyone who owns anything should be afraid of Corbyn because he'll take everything you have, his Land for the many document makes that unequivocally clear. He's a anti-semite terrorist supporting thuggish wanker, who is perfectly happy to have his momentum henchmen threaten anyone who disagrees with him, with rape and death threats.
What fresh fuckwitery is this? Name a single thing that you'll lose.
Maybe Mr Underhill is an arsehole landlord? If I were an arsehole landlord I'd be concerned too.
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Can we have a row about the parlous state of politics in off topic rather than on the Hutton thread?
The very best of luck to Hutton who was an absolute gent in signing stuff for my youngest lad last pre season.
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Can we have a row about the parlous state of politics in off topic rather than on the Hutton thread?
The very best of luck to Hutton who was an absolute gent in signing stuff for my youngest lad last pre season.
That's Sexual Ealing's fault, we'd already moved on.
Bloody liberal metropolitan elites.
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I met him at Swiss Cottage. The big liberal tart.
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Can we have a row about the parlous state of politics in off topic rather than on the Hutton thread?
The very best of luck to Hutton who was an absolute gent in signing stuff for my youngest lad last pre season.
I love to read positive things like this.
My very best wishes to the Scottish Cafu on the next phase of his career, which, in my book, has been pretty good up 'til now.
If any one of us had got the chance to pull-on the shirt and run out for the first team - just once - then that would be enough to bore the grandchildren for years to come.
If you were able to add to your story the fact that you scored 'The Goal' . . .
More than enough for me.
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I met him at Swiss Cottage. The big liberal tart.
My apologies to all. I was under the impression that you admired my big Hate Music, Hate Racism, Tolerate Corbyn knitted cardigan Stu. LeeB, I thought we were internet mates, you grass.
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I met him at Swiss Cottage. The big liberal tart.
You met him cottaging?
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I met him at Swiss Cottage. The big liberal tart.
You met him cottaging?
I am extremely liberal.
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I met him at Swiss Cottage. The big liberal tart.
You met him cottaging?
I am extremely liberal.
I think the technical term is fluffing but that isn't important right now.
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I met him at Swiss Cottage. The big liberal tart.
You met him cottaging?
I am extremely liberal.
I think the technical term is fluffing but that isn't important right now.
Fluffy Liberals Rule OK
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I, too, am terrified of losing everything to the Red Terror of the Corbynites. I mean, the tw*t won't even bomb Middle East countries for no reason, except that Washington orders it.
And, after all, we've gained so much over the last decade, bailing out the Investment Banker Terrorists with our public services, jobs and pensions!
Meanwhile, on Planet Earth....
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If people want to discuss politics perhaps off topic would be a better place rather than soiling Cafu's thread?
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If people want to discuss politics perhaps off topic would be a better place rather than soiling Cafu's thread?
"soiling Cafu's thread, you say?"
Cue Mick McCarthy and his interest in 1 in the hole.
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So has he actually signed for anyone
Hull
Forest
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So has he actually signed for anyone
Hull
Forest
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Who? Jeremy Corbyn?
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Beeb
Former Scotland full-back Alan Hutton says he has "contemplated retirement" as he seeks a new club after being released by Aston Villa.
Hutton, who has 50 caps, played 34 times last season to help Villa return to the English Premier League.
The 34-year-old former Rangers defender is convinced he can play "for a few more years".
"I have had offers from Championship clubs but it's a difficult one," Hutton told BBC Scotland.
"They were quite far away and at my age I don't want to be away from the family six nights a week.
"So I decided to take my time and see what comes up. I have contemplated retirement. Everyone says the same thing - don't do it, you'll miss it - but for me it has to be right."
Hutton began his career at Ibrox, playing 121 times for the club, and remains Rangers' record sale after he joined Tottenham for £9m in 2008.
He moved to Villa three years later and was a first-team regular for the past five seasons, but feels his experience is now counting against him.
"People look at you differently when you are over the 30 mark," he said. "I've played 70-plus games in the last two seasons. I've been asked to come in and train and said no, I want something solid. I feel I've earned the right now to be able to make that choice."
Hutton, who won his final cap in March 2016, admits he is currently "in limbo" and isn't ruling out a return to Scottish football.
"There's been nothing from Scotland," he said. "I'd listen to all offers. If that was to move back home, that would be a possibility.
"I don't want to look back and think I should have played an extra couple of years. My mind is telling me to stick with, stay fit, and something might come up."
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No one wants Cafu?
Really?
Edit - he's had offers. As you were
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I miss him!
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I'm not sure I like his attitude there:
"People look at you differently when you are over the 30 mark," he said. "I've played 70-plus games in the last two seasons. I've been asked to come in and train and said no, I want something solid. I feel I've earned the right now to be able to make that choice."
Would it really hurt for him to go in and train for a day or 2? He can think he's got 2-3 more years in his legs but there were times last season where he looked like it was a season to far and he spent most of the last couple of months out with a hamstring injury (I think it was his hamstring at least), I'd be amazed if any club in the championship was willing to offer him a deal without watching him train and giving him a full medical.
He'll retire I reckon, that he doesn't want to move his family or spend time away from them says it all for me.
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Hutton is ace.
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Let's be totally honest, Hutton is a likeable character, and god knows we've not had many of those these past few years, but he's a very limited footballer.
I wish him the absolute best of luck and understand why he wants an opportunity that doesn't mean uprooting his family and what not.
He was always a 'just about good enough' type footballer, nothing more.
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He might not be good enough for the Villa now, but he's plenty good enough for some championship teams. He would add to some of the teams hoping to make the play offs.
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Let's be totally honest, Hutton is a likeable character, and god knows we've not had many of those these past few years, but he's a very limited footballer.
I wish him the absolute best of luck and understand why he wants an opportunity that doesn't mean uprooting his family and what not.
He was always a 'just about good enough' type footballer, nothing more.
The something more was a more than good enough man: no boat rocking despite loans/bomb squad, head down working hard, pay cut. That's why at least some of us loved him as a gem in the knotweed that was strangling our club. Connection with fans, honesty, hard work, all when we neded it most.
So not nothing more.
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His goals against Hull and Blues last season were fab. Watched them times over.
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Let's be totally honest, Hutton is a likeable character, and god knows we've not had many of those these past few years, but he's a very limited footballer.
I wish him the absolute best of luck and understand why he wants an opportunity that doesn't mean uprooting his family and what not.
He was always a 'just about good enough' type footballer, nothing more.
The something more was a more than good enough man: no boat rocking despite loans/bomb squad, head down working hard, pay cut. That's why at least some of us loved him as a gem in the knotweed that was strangling our club. Connection with fans, honesty, hard work, all when we neded it most.
So not nothing more.
Agreed. Plus, knotweed is an absolute bastard.
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Let's be totally honest, Hutton is a likeable character, and god knows we've not had many of those these past few years, but he's a very limited footballer.
I wish him the absolute best of luck and understand why he wants an opportunity that doesn't mean uprooting his family and what not.
He was always a 'just about good enough' type footballer, nothing more.
The something more was a more than good enough man: no boat rocking despite loans/bomb squad, head down working hard, pay cut. That's why at least some of us loved him as a gem in the knotweed that was strangling our club. Connection with fans, honesty, hard work, all when we neded it most.
So not nothing more.
Agreed. Plus, knotweed is an absolute bastard.
Don't cut it. That is if we're talking about Japanese Knotweed.
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Guess the offers have come from likes of Preston and Blackburn and he dosen't want to move up to Lake District.
Surprised by him saying about staying up six days a week, I thought the usual thing for footballers with families settle elsewhere is to train 2-3 times a week, stay up the night before a game and rest of time is at Family home.
We did it with John Terry. Indeed looking at his instagram you'd be forgiven for thinking he's still at Chelsea if you didn't know he was involved with us with all the posts about him playing Golf at Cobham and taking his very forgiving Missus to the Ivy down there.
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Guess the offers have come from likes of Preston and Blackburn and he dosen't want to move up to Lake District.
Surprised by him saying about staying up six days a week, I thought the usual thing for footballers with families settle elsewhere is to train 2-3 times a week, stay up the night before a game and rest of time is at Family home.
We did it with John Terry. Indeed looking at his instagram you'd be forgiven for thinking he's still at Chelsea if you didn't know he was involved with us with all the posts about him playing Golf at Cobham and taking his very forgiving Missus to the Ivy down there.
And following Kompany's testimonial asking the Chelsea fans if he should have one.
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On Radio 5's Friday Football Social atm.
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Needs its own thread. Breaking on talksport now. Thanks Cafu for the memories you were fecking brilliant for us.
A legend. Best of luck in future and wilm never forget that goal vs blose
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Good luck in the future - far from my favourite player but always did his best.
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He saying how much he loves our club like rangers and the fans. Also says he comes to watch villa games as a fan.
He is going to be discussing villa and grealish on ts shortly.
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I don’t think it was any coincidence we went on a 10 game unbeaten run after he got injured at Stoke.
Good luck to him.
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Over the years I often Thought that Hutton has really poor positional sense and wasn’t a great defender. I remember one game in the relegation year, Boxing Day against West Ham, I was sitting in the upper trinity as a change from the holte and you could see the ball that was going to be played past him ages before it eventually was, for them to score, this was for me typical Alan Hutton in the one sense.
However, just for his sheer bloody mindedness for not giving up on his career at villa, his 100% effort every game no matter how well or badly he was playing, his obvious love for our club and of course one of the great villa park goals and against the noses of all teams, the Scottish Cafu will always be a cult hero.
And loved that interview on TS then, talked basically about how he’s a huge fan of rangers since childhood and now villa, gave me goosebumps when he talked about how the Holte End singing his name, gave him goosebumps and what a club we are. Even Trevor Sinclair was raving about what a special ground villa park is. And Hutton was fairly dismissive about another of his former club spurs. Loved it, fair play Hutton.
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A cult hero for sure.
I still, to this day, am flabbergasted by his goal against Blues.
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Not the greatest footballer of all time but absolutely loved his commitment and desire.
And the goals against our neighbours and Hull were outstanding. All the best to the Scottish Cafu.
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Will always have a soft spot for him . Good luck Cafu.
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Thank you for 'that' goal amongst always giving your best.
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Great hour of him on Talksport this lunchtime. Talks about Villa, his love for the fans, he's a supporter, the noise of the Holte End, how he felt he let the fans down in his performances and owed them something, the possibly struggles of holding onto Jack and John and staying up.
Top bloke.
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He's a good lad, despite the Rangers misguidedness.
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Some days he was very good, other days not so but every time I watched him he gave 100% every time and didn't go hiding.
Enjoy your retirement Alan and thanks for never giving up of putting the claret and blue shirt on again when left out of the squad.
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One of our best players, no. One of our favourite players, YES, YES, YES.
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Really pleased his career wasn't ruined by that absolute throbber Lambert.
Was never great even by his own admission.
Cult hero to some.
Always gave 100%.
Clearly loves Villa.
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I love this fella. We can wax about whether he was a great footballer or not, and yes he had limitations, but how rare is it in the modern age for a footballer who wasn't even treated that well here by a number of managers to still come out the other side showing gratitude and love to the club and the fans? You rarely get it even from the players who owe a great deal to Aston Villa for where they are now / where they finished their careers.
Clearly a man with a lot of heart and a great attitude, and if we had more like him we'd be much more stable.
Anyway - thank you Alan. May you have a long and happy retirement. Hope we bump into each other around VP some time so I can thank you in person.
UTV
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If every player we have now had his commitment we'd be well safe by now. Not the most gifted but has given us some memorable moments as already mentioned including that tackle on Shane Long. He also pips Cahill with the best goal ever scored against Blues.
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Really pleased his career wasn't ruined by that absolute throbber Lambert.
Was never great even by his own admission.
Cult hero to some.
Always gave 100%.
Clearly loves Villa.
This all the way, couldn't of put it better myself Jon
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Happy retirement Hutts.
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We'll have done well to see another player at Villa with an attitude like his. Best of luck with the retirement, big man - you went out on a high.
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The way he talks about feeling he owed us after his career for the first few years which didn’t work out really inspiring.
He said he doesn’t want to get into coaching or management which is a shame as I think he has potential to be a good coach. Says he still lives in midlands as his lad currently plays for Coventry
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Happy retirement Alan, you deserve a good one!
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I hope he has a long and healthy retirement
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Thanks for giving everything Alan, a great lesson to many less committed players we have had to put up with over the years. The anti-N'Zogbia.
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I love this fella. We can wax about whether he was a great footballer or not, and yes he had limitations, but how rare is it in the modern age for a footballer who wasn't even treated that well here by a number of managers to still come out the other side showing gratitude and love to the club and the fans? You rarely get it even from the players who owe a great deal to Aston Villa for where they are now / where they finished their careers.
Clearly a man with a lot of heart and a great attitude, and if we had more like him we'd be much more stable.
Anyway - thank you Alan. May you have a long and happy retirement. Hope we bump into each other around VP some time so I can thank you in person.
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I echo the above.
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I love this fella. We can wax about whether he was a great footballer or not, and yes he had limitations, but how rare is it in the modern age for a footballer who wasn't even treated that well here by a number of managers to still come out the other side showing gratitude and love to the club and the fans? You rarely get it even from the players who owe a great deal to Aston Villa for where they are now / where they finished their careers.
Clearly a man with a lot of heart and a great attitude, and if we had more like him we'd be much more stable.
Anyway - thank you Alan. May you have a long and happy retirement. Hope we bump into each other around VP some time so I can thank you in person.
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Good stuff. The way he fought back from the bomb squad and consistently forced his way back into the team under a number of managers is what I admire most. 100% every single game.
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A Villa legend, always gave 100%, his goal against Blues is something I'll never forget.
Thanks Alan and happy retirement
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Happy retirement AH
Just watching him on the debate ..They was all asked who would go down . Stuart Pearce said Villa , Lescott said villa and Alan replied No way will Villa go down .
Love the guy :)
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If anyone wants to hear Alan's contribution, download the TalkSport app, press Schedules, scroll back to Feb 19th and play the 10am-1pm slot.
Alan's sections are:
02:07:00-02:17:00
02:21:45-02:31:00
02:36:00-02:46:25
02:53:00-02:58:00
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Just watched the Alan Hutton interview on Claret & Blue podcast
A great watch, it was so illuminating to hear about the managers he played under, including Lambert and his time in the bomb squad.
He clearly loves the Villa
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Just watched the Alan Hutton interview on Claret & Blue podcast
A great watch, it was so illuminating to hear about the managers he played under, including Lambert and his time in the bomb squad.
He clearly loves the Villa
Yes, definitely one of the ex-players that 'gets us'.
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Will always love him for THAT goal against Birmingham.
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Liked him for his unwavering commitment to the cause. The goal against the Blues was the icing on the cake.
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Will always love him for THAT goal against Birmingham.
He said when he scored the goal he knew he was going straight into the Holte to go crazy
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For a fair few years he was pretty much universally battered by us on here, has any other player turned around their reputation to that degree? Battered for so long and then liked for years as well.
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Just watched the Alan Hutton interview on Claret & Blue podcast
A great watch, it was so illuminating to hear about the managers he played under, including Lambert and his time in the bomb squad.
He clearly loves the Villa
little clip
https://twitter.com/ClaretBluePod/status/1646566420249968653?s=20
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The interview is well worth a listen.
He comes across very well, I thought, and I felt embarrassed at how abysmally the club treated him for a while.
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That is a really good interview. I found the Smith era especially intriguing - kind of detected there's no great affection there. Maybe it's because he's still cut up about the way he retired?
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Really enjoyed it.
I grew to like Hutton as his Villa career slowly progressed.
Interesting to hear that Bruce seemed like the pick of the bunch for Hutton, manager - wise.
Lambert - what a cock he was/is
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I'm sure the full story has been pieced together over the years, but I don't understand a player on Hutton's wages told only to train, and Lambert claiming it was purely financial. Firstly, was there really that much of those wages being supplied by appearances, and secondly, why did that mean you had to put him with the under 23's?
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Very very enjoyable, as likeable & honest as you'd hope. Very nice overview of recent history. Consider my empathetic appraisal of Remi Guarde being hung out to dry by the club very much revised.
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For a fair few years he was pretty much universally battered by us on here, has any other player turned around their reputation to that degree? Battered for so long and then liked for years as well.
Yeah, a kind of inverted Agbonlahor.
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The interview is well worth a listen.
He comes across very well, I thought, and I felt embarrassed at how abysmally the club treated him for a while.
I’ll have to have a listen.
It was also embarrassing how the supporters treated him for a while, too.
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I watched it last night. He comes across as open, intelligent, down to earth and loves the Villa. I was amazed how much he was willing to disclose and, I think he had a lot more stories he thought better of giving the details on! Our club was an embarrassment for a number of years, but it was good to hear that he sees us as on the right track now and long may it continue. He is a genuine guy and legend, having got there the long way round!
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My memory of TSC is that he was awful in his first spell with us, went out on loan to IIRC Wolves, Forest and Mallorca - not necessarily in that order - and came back a vastly improved player. Loans can go either way of course cf Alli at Besiktas, but that set seemed to have done AH the world of good
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A couple of things that were obvious on top of the shit show we was at the time....
Gabby was far too influencial, and too much of it was negative.
Paul Lambert was probably the puppet, but fuck me, no man management skills at all.
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Who was Shewoods number 2 that he didn't get on with?
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Ray Wilkins.
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Did he talk about his goal v Blues and if so did he state where he started his run?
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Did he talk about his goal v Blues and if so did he state where he started his run?
He says he remembers receiving the ball from a tackle and then just running with it. It's an entertaining recollection.
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Did he talk about his goal v Blues and if so did he state where he started his run?
He says he remembers receiving the ball from a tackle and then just running with it. It's an entertaining recollection.
Said his 3 career dreams were to score for Scotland, score for Rangers v Celtic and score for Villa v Blues, 'Well at least I managed one of them'.
Showed genuine warmth and affiliation to the fans and the club.
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he came across really well, and not as much of a problem as we'd have all through during the bomb squad time.... however, we're only hearing one side of the story.
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In the end I really like Hutton and I thought it was great he got such a good send off in his last game against Norwich. I've never really heard the Holte sing one players name for 90 mins before, it was brilliant.
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"Gaffer, if you need me, I'm here"
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I'm sure the full story has been pieced together over the years, but I don't understand a player on Hutton's wages told only to train, and Lambert claiming it was purely financial. Firstly, was there really that much of those wages being supplied by appearances, and secondly, why did that mean you had to put him with the under 23's?
He also said that there were others in the squad on double what he was earning, so not even as though he was on mega money and had to be moved on.
You can tell he thinks Lambert was a total weasel.
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I'm sure the full story has been pieced together over the years, but I don't understand a player on Hutton's wages told only to train, and Lambert claiming it was purely financial. Firstly, was there really that much of those wages being supplied by appearances, and secondly, why did that mean you had to put him with the under 23's?
He also said that there were others in the squad on double what he was earning, so not even as though he was on mega money and had to be moved on.
You can tell he thinks Lambert was a total weasel.
It's nice to hear interviews like that, that back up the general mood of the fans at the time.
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I'm sure the full story has been pieced together over the years, but I don't understand a player on Hutton's wages told only to train, and Lambert claiming it was purely financial. Firstly, was there really that much of those wages being supplied by appearances, and secondly, why did that mean you had to put him with the under 23's?
He also said that there were others in the squad on double what he was earning, so not even as though he was on mega money and had to be moved on.
You can tell he thinks Lambert was a total weasel.
It's nice to hear interviews like that, that back up the general mood of the fans at the time.
Reflected rather well in his own puzzlement at the Guardiola-lite playing it out from the back.
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Interesting (if a bit odd) that he was a lot more effusive about Bruce as a manager than he was Smith. The latter he suggested was possibly a bit too nice and close to certain players.
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That did give me pause. I suspect Smith was a good man-manager type just as Bruce was, but maybe Hutton was less a part of it due to his injury. After something good has been achieved without certain players, it's probably difficult for managers to see equal worth in them.
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Interesting point made about Villa’s first season in Prem, he felt he could be an old experienced head to help support the team. Think this would have worked well, he did intimate that Dean regretted the decision to let him go.
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Interesting point made about Villa’s first season in Prem, he felt he could be an old experienced head to help support the team. Think this would have worked well, he did intimate that Dean regretted the decision to let him go.
It probably would have been a decent idea, but I'm sure if we'd have been flying he wouldn't have given a seconds thought to Hutton's experience. A case of "if I knew then..."
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Am I being harsh in that as much I recognise he is probably a lovely bloke & worked hard as a player, but I was overjoyed when he retired. I always thought he was shit. Even "that' goal didn't change my mind... I know plenty of Villa supporting people who are lovely people & work hard, but I wouldn't want any of them playing for Villa...
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Is it not just a case of players always seem to prefer the managers who play them most of the time? I could be misremembering, but wasn't Elmo Dean's preferred first choice right-back from the time we started our long winning run when Grealish returned? Not sure how much he played after that. Always a solid player for us I thought, and yes, that Blues goal was incredible.
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Let's not sugar-coat it: Hutton the person exceeds Hutton the talent. Which, on further thought, is no bad thing.
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He was decent enough in the Championship, which I suspect was about his level really.
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I do recall when he was first at Spuds he was highly-rated. But he wouldn't have been the first Tottenham signing to be overhyped.
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Another one of those who gets tagged as poor when he was anything but. Not helped by the era he was with us.
I always liked him as a player, but it sometimes feels like we tend to go to the extremes in our view of full backs.
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Good pro, seems a decent bloke, strikes me he'd always give his all on the pitch but was a limited player. The club treated him very badly it has to be said. At the same time he was poor in the PL for us, did well for us without being outstanding in the Championship and the fact no one took him on when he left us probably says a fair bit. If every player back then had his attitude we probably wouldn't have stunk the league out for years, if every player had his ability we'd probably have dropped a lot sooner.
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As Hutton says in the interview, there was a bit of a 'them and us' situation with the young French lads (almost certainly not helped by Eric Black) and I think Hutton at the time got unfairly lumped in with the real wasters like Lescott.
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Good pro, seems a decent bloke, strikes me he'd always give his all on the pitch but was a limited player. The club treated him very badly it has to be said. At the same time he was poor in the PL for us, did well for us without being outstanding in the Championship and the fact no one took him on when he left us probably says a fair bit. If every player back then had his attitude we probably wouldn't have stunk the league out for years, if every player had his ability we'd probably have dropped a lot sooner.
I thought his positional sense in particular was very limited, the goal at Fulham in the play off final, which he referenced himself, being one example. I also remember sitting in the upper trinity for a change, against West Ham on Boxing day the year we got relegated. You clearly see there winger making advances forward but AL didn’t seem to be aware and they scored, there were many more examples of this.
However, his self analysis is correct in my view in that he always tried his hardest, which is more than most of the players from 2011 to 2016/2017 seem to do.
Its a really lovely, warm, insightful and funny interview and he comes across as a top bloke who loves the Villa. If there is a new book written about Villas greatest players he wouldn’t be in it, but if someone wrote a book about the great Villa cult heroes, he may well make the top ten, in my lifetime anyway. Fair play to the Scottish Cafu.
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Nice bloke shit player in my view. Always tried but lacked positional sense and would go wandering around at times leading to acres of right back space for the opposition. Let’s also not forget he gets injured at Stoke away and then the 10 game winning run starts the next week, coincidence I think not.
His two best moments were turning into Roberto Carlos away at Hull and the goal against that lot.
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His defensive play was generally OK for the Championship, but his final ball was usually appalling, which is why Elmo turned out to be the better option. Hutton's crosses into the box were usually wafty shite like an Ashley Westwood corner.
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Good pro, seems a decent bloke, strikes me he'd always give his all on the pitch but was a limited player. The club treated him very badly it has to be said. At the same time he was poor in the PL for us, did well for us without being outstanding in the Championship and the fact no one took him on when he left us probably says a fair bit. If every player back then had his attitude we probably wouldn't have stunk the league out for years, if every player had his ability we'd probably have dropped a lot sooner.
He says in the interview that he had offers but didn't want to a/ move or b/ take short term contracts and be surrounded by folk he didn't know.
He loved the Villa, the people and being part of the whole thing.
There are definitely some interesting insights in the interview, and differing perspectives of both the Garde thing, and the French/foreign players too.
I'm not surprised by his praise of Bruce, the man, because he always came across well, it's his football that lets him down.
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Nice bloke shit player in my view. Always tried but lacked positional sense and would go wandering around at times leading to acres of right back space for the opposition. Let’s also not forget he gets injured at Stoke away and then the 10 game winning run starts the next week, coincidence I think not.
His two best moments were turning into Roberto Carlos away at Hull and the goal against that lot.
I agree he wasn’t the best but on a different level we’ve labelled a lot of the current players shit before they were coached properly. He worked under some appalling managers and although he really liked Bruce, none of them including Bruce would of helped him become a better player.
I also think you’ve made a jump with Huttons injury and the 10 game run, probably more to do with the return of a certain Jack Grealish the week after, than Huttons injury.
Overall as I’ve said myself he was a limited player, but your assessment is a bit harsh
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Good pro, seems a decent bloke, strikes me he'd always give his all on the pitch but was a limited player. The club treated him very badly it has to be said. At the same time he was poor in the PL for us, did well for us without being outstanding in the Championship and the fact no one took him on when he left us probably says a fair bit. If every player back then had his attitude we probably wouldn't have stunk the league out for years, if every player had his ability we'd probably have dropped a lot sooner.
He says in the interview that he had offers but didn't want to a/ move or b/ take short term contracts and be surrounded by folk he didn't know.
He loved the Villa, the people and being part of the whole thing.
There are definitely some interesting insights in the interview, and differing perspectives of both the Garde thing, and the French/foreign players too.
I'm not surprised by his praise of Bruce, the man, because he always came across well, it's his football that lets him down.
He spoke warmly of Bruce, but Tommy Elphick basically called him a two faced twat. I suppose it all comes down to your individual situations.
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My memory of TSC is that he was awful in his first spell with us, went out on loan to IIRC Wolves, Forest and Mallorca - not necessarily in that order - and came back a vastly improved player. Loans can go either way of course cf Alli at Besiktas, but that set seemed to have done AH the world of good
Yep, there's definitely a bit of revisionism among supporters about Hutton. He was dreadful under McLeish, showed up completely unfit as he admits himself and was poor throughout. Lambert, dreadful as he was, wouldn't have bombed him out if he was any use. But he was a very good player for us under Bruce particularly. Did a great stint for us at left back including blotting out Adama Traore in a playoff semi final. Though he was arguably at fault for Fulham's winner in the final. Smith was right to move him on, Elmo was a more consistent performer.
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The job he did on Traore in that semi was probably his best game for us, it was a total shutdown of their only threat.
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He was a very average player, but gave everything. If a few more of the more talented players we had would have been committed as him, we would have never been relegated.
What did he say about Garde?
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He was a very average player, but gave everything. If a few more of the more talented players we had would have been committed as him, we would have never been relegated.
What did he say about Garde?
Basically that he was doomed from the word go. There were frequent arguments between Garde and the players, at which Garde would just walk off. Used to get them to run around the car park at Bodymoor as a punishment if he wasn't happy.
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Sometimes I wonder if Garde wanted to be here after he signed up. obviously at that point we were a complete mess from top to bottom but I get the impression he wasn’t up for it either.
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Garde came with a decent reputation from his time at Lyon. But between his management style and the complete group of wankers at the club he had no chance. And he didn't help himself in how he managed the situation.
I was listening to Gabby laughing on TS about how Roy Keane didn't have time for some of the antics amongst players. Now, Keane has his own issues, but fuck right off Gabby. Laughing about it now, while we all had to watch that fat ****** walking around the pitch, while with his mates embarrassed us off it also.
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Came out of that interview quite well, I thought.
Won't lie, it took me a few years to take to him, but he ended up becoming one of my favourite Villa players. He's the type of player I'd modelled myself after when I was younger - hard-working, aggressive, attacking fullback. Unfortunately I wasn't really any of those things except maybe aggressive.
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he spoke higher about Bruce than any other manager. He clearly got on with McLeish. He hardly said a word about Smith, he didn't rate Garde
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Garde came with a decent reputation from his time at Lyon. But between his management style and the complete group of wankers at the club he had no chance. And he didn't help himself in how he managed the situation.
I was listening to Gabby laughing on TS about how Roy Keane didn't have time for some of the antics amongst players. Now, Keane has his own issues, but fuck right off Gabby. Laughing about it now, while we all had to watch that fat ****** walking around the pitch, while with his mates embarrassed us off it also.
I can't really understand why we didn't just pay off the likes of Richards and Gabby to leave the club. The damage those two leeches must have caused as senior players.
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Garde came with a decent reputation from his time at Lyon. But between his management style and the complete group of wankers at the club he had no chance. And he didn't help himself in how he managed the situation.
I was listening to Gabby laughing on TS about how Roy Keane didn't have time for some of the antics amongst players. Now, Keane has his own issues, but fuck right off Gabby. Laughing about it now, while we all had to watch that fat ****** walking around the pitch, while with his mates embarrassed us off it also.
I can't really understand why we didn't just pay off the likes of Richards and Gabby to leave the club. The damage those two leeches must have caused as senior players.
Gabby is an absolute fucking leech.
Can't believe how many fucking idiots think he's a 'legend'. He's not, he was the poster boy for the piss taking who-gives-a-fuck attitude that almost killed this club.
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Garde came with a decent reputation from his time at Lyon. But between his management style and the complete group of wankers at the club he had no chance. And he didn't help himself in how he managed the situation.
I was listening to Gabby laughing on TS about how Roy Keane didn't have time for some of the antics amongst players. Now, Keane has his own issues, but fuck right off Gabby. Laughing about it now, while we all had to watch that fat ****** walking around the pitch, while with his mates embarrassed us off it also.
I can't really understand why we didn't just pay off the likes of Richards and Gabby to leave the club. The damage those two leeches must have caused as senior players.
Bruce unlike the fans didn't want Richards to leave the club, he wanted a jester in the room, just like MOTD do now.
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Gabby was here when Terry turned up, I think? Bet he took a step to the back of the room and never returned. Soft as shit gobshite.
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I've met Alan Hutton and he's a real nice man.
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No matter anything else, he’ll always have that goal against them.
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He came across really well in the interview I thought. Was interesting to hear of his regrets about leaving, and what he might have offered had he stayed for another year
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Useful insight into how utterly dysfunctional the club was from when he joined until Bruce and came in. And then we almost folded.
He wasn’t a great player but a half decent coach would have got more out of him. We didn’t have one until Delano joined and Hutton was well past it by
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Gabby was here when Terry turned up, I think? Bet he took a step to the back of the room and never returned. Soft as shit gobshite.
Yeah Gabby was here, he scored in Terry’s first
league game.
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Gabby should have been commander in chief of that fucking bomb squad