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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Summers on October 01, 2011, 07:52:02 PM
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I'm already fed up of seeing people slate Ireland. He was good today. He's, if anything, too clever at times. He and Bannan play fantastically together, which is no surprise because they're both clever-creative-footballers.
At the game today there were plenty of individuals slating everything he did. Even if it was something good, they had a complaint. And I've already seen people on here saying he was shit today.
He used the ball well, picked out passes, kept us moving and tried to make something happen. He also did his fair share defensively, winning the ball in midfield a couple of times.
Maybe if some of the fans insulting him took the time to get behind him, that chance he had today would have rocketed in.
On a lesser-note, the same about Hutton. He was solid today. Defended well, and was happy to venture forward. When moving up, he stretched Wigan, allowing more space across the pitch. Yet, he's still shit to some. I don't get it.
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The great thing about both BB and SI is that they see what Bent and Gabby are capable of - I'm not a fan of SI but I acknowledge that there's a good footballer lurking in there, even if he is an obnoxious psychopath.
I don't think it's any accident that Gabby is scoring and looking so good right now: he has players behind him who can play him in, and he has the energy and commitment to make it happen.
Re Bent, he will score goals - okay, he's been slow to take off this season but he will carry on soing what he does best; score.
So I agree that SI is worth giving some time to.
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Hutton ain't that bad: he is certainly an attacking FB; gets into good positions. But I hope that both Lichaj and Herd push really hard to break into the team; 'cos that will force Hutton to 'up' his game or concede that he ain't first-choice.
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I like Ireland due to the player he can be, though I do great frustrated when he comes across as 'lazy' or 'uninterested' to me, he did have a good game today, mind.
As for Hutton, he's a bit too similar to Warnock to me; in the sense that I never feel completely comfortable with him at the back - despite his impressive attacking prowess. he's more competent in the air than Warnock, though I just feel like his marking and determination's a bit off at times.
hey, prove me wrong lads.
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I'd be delighted if Ireland got a run in the team. He'll be a bit hit and miss but - thinking back to his man city days - he can be outrageously good.
Someone mentioned on the post match thread that he seemed surprised by the ovation he received. Well hopefully that will boost his brittle confidence as I think he needs to feel loved to get the best out of him.
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I really hope that Ireland can put his past behind him. If he becomes the player he clearly has the talent to be then he will be an amazing asset for Villa for years to come. He needs time, after almost 2 years without a steady football career.
My only concern with Hutton so far is that he looks like a penalty waiting to happen. 1of those 2 hand balls last week should have been given and the challenge today looked as if it was as bad.
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I've seen little glimpses of his genius today and last week, enough for him to warrant a few more games. He also hasn't played regular football in months, so he is going to be a bit rusty.
Thing is, when you employ someone 'creative', you get a creative mind: one which lives aside the more logical brain.
This mind is fluid, messy, and is subject to disruption.
Stephen Ireland has this type of mind. Whilst some of his off-field behaviour reflects the more disruptive facets of it, he is potentially a very creative footballer.
It is because of his creative mind that some label him a "nutter" and "mentalist", calling him "lazy". They fail to recognise that creative minds sometimes don't think in a rigid, logical way.
In other words, give him time, he'll come good.
As for Hutton, he's a lucky man...
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He made that one 'blind' ball today that in any other attacking side like Man u or Spurs possibly would have been seen as total class. We had no one anywhere near it, crowd rumbled their dissaproval, Ireland went into his shell.
There is a player there.
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I know this is a 'We love Stephen Ireland' thread but there's a huge amount of generosity being given about his performance today. It took me 20 minutes to realise he was on the pitch. As soon as Heskey put his shirt on it was obvious who was coming off - the player who'd contributed the least throughout the game.
Wigan were terrible today and a game like that, at home, is the sort of game he should be all over. Instead, he drifted through far too much of it as a passenger, and then the one glorious chance he did get was stuffed up awfully.
I don't deny that in his first season at Man City he was sensational. But ever since he's done literally sod all. I think Bannan is showing much more potential to be that creative spark we need in midfield.
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Like Paul Merson, Stephen Ireland is capable of great things. Like Stephen Ireland, he's a lazy fucker. Unlike Paul Merson, he hasn't won many games for Villa, and whilst this is combined with being a lazy fucker, it doesn't look good.
It's down to him and his attitude. He certainly hasn't endeared himself to the fans with his comments and general performances.
Hutton hasn't looked the greatest, nor has he looked terrible, but he puts the effort in, which you can appreciate. When Ireland does this, then maybe he'll win a few more fans and get people off his back.
Whilst he still ambles around the pitch like he's Messi, but playing anything but like Messi, people, including me, will find him to be incredibly frustrating because clearly he could be a very good player, but he'll only do what he wants to do. Barry Bannan on the other hand ran his socks off today when we had and didn't have the ball. I'm not asking Ireland to do as much as Bannan (not many players do), but if he carried a greater attitude onto the pitch, he'd be helping himself a lot more.
The thing with Ireland is that he's the archetypal modern footballer. A flash fucker who thinks he's "it" and us peasants should bow down to his superior bank account.
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Like Paul Merson, Stephen Ireland is capable of great things. Like Stephen Ireland, he's a lazy fucker. Unlike Paul Merson, he hasn't won many games for Villa, and whilst this is combined with being a lazy fucker, it doesn't look good.
It's down to him and his attitude. He certainly hasn't endeared himself to the fans with his comments and general performances.
Hutton hasn't looked the greatest, nor has he looked terrible, but he puts the effort in, which you can appreciate. When Ireland does this, then maybe he'll win a few more fans and get people off his back.
Whilst he still ambles around the pitch like he's Messi, but playing anything but like Messi, people, including me, will find him to be incredibly frustrating because clearly he could be a very good player, but he'll only do what he wants to do. Barry Bannan on the other hand ran his socks off today when we had and didn't have the ball. I'm not asking Ireland to do as much as Bannan (not many players do), but if he carried a greater attitude onto the pitch, he'd be helping himself a lot more.
The thing with Ireland is that he's the archetypal modern footballer. A flash fucker who thinks he's "it" and us peasants should bow down to his superior bank account.
Perfectly summed up.
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As soon as Heskey put his shirt on it was obvious who was coming off - the player who'd contributed the least throughout the game.
So not the fact that he was injured and the first thing the physio did was strap a huge ice bag to his foot?
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As soon as Heskey put his shirt on it was obvious who was coming off - the player who'd contributed the least throughout the game.
So not the fact that he was injured and the first thing the physio did was strap a huge ice bag to his foot?
No, because he'd put the least effort in.
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As soon as Heskey put his shirt on it was obvious who was coming off - the player who'd contributed the least throughout the game.
Your wrong he was injured
So not the fact that he was injured and the first thing the physio did was strap a huge ice bag to his foot?
No, because he'd put the least effort in.
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Ireland got crunched by someone just before half time and I was surprised he came out for the second half. In his post-match interview McLeish said he had to take him off as he had a knock.
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Stephen Ireland has been a Villa player for 13 months now.
Goals scored nil, goals created - correct me if i'm wrong but i'm going for nil again.
Difference with Merse is, he actually did produce the goods.
Totally agree that the bloke has got a lot of talent, which makes it even more frustrating.
I'm more than willing to get behind any player in a Villa shirt but he can't live on what he did at Man City for a couple of seasons forever.
Time to produce. And if he's got anything about him and wants to prove a few people wrong, how about away at Man City in the next match ?
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Sorry Hutton is a terrible defender.
He makes Kyle Walker look a world beater, Chris Herd deserves a chance after his Motm performance the last time he played.
Ireland is a total waste of time, it's like playing with 10 men with him on the pitch.
It's like having a Ferrari, racing up to 30mph then watching a punto drive past you! Total waste of time!
And I was up for giving him a chance, I actually agreed with starting with him today, but after today no way!
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As soon as Heskey put his shirt on it was obvious who was coming off - the player who'd contributed the least throughout the game.
So not the fact that he was injured and the first thing the physio did was strap a huge ice bag to his foot?
Nope. I didn't notice he was injured. I saw him go down on the edge of their box but he got back up and carried on running.
He contributed the least throughout the game. When a change was coming and Heskey was the one getting ready it made absolute sense to take him off, even ignoring the injury.
Like someone else has posted, as an attacking midfielder he's contributed absolutely nothing since joining us. OK, for part of that period he was at Newcastle contributing nothing up there. And for part of that he appeared to be ostracised from the team. But I don't think this is bad luck. He's done nothing at three different clubs for the past 3 years. It's down to him to sort it out and I've seen nothing of him in a Villa shirt that suggests he can.
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And I was up for giving him a chance, I actually agreed with starting with him today, but after today no way!
Why? He played well.
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And I was up for giving him a chance, I actually agreed with starting with him today, but after today no way!
Why? He played well.
No he never, Bannan played well, Gabby played well.
Ireland contributed nothing to the game, a few decent touches here and there is not playing well.
Since Ireland arrived at Villa he has fluffed every single chance in front of goal. If he showed abit of effort and chased a few balls down like Bannan they yeah, but he does nothing.
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Ireland did ok, it was encouraging to see.
Hutton has looked fucking awful in every game he's played for us. Lucky not to give a penalty away again today.
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As soon as Heskey put his shirt on it was obvious who was coming off - the player who'd contributed the least throughout the game.
So not the fact that he was injured and the first thing the physio did was strap a huge ice bag to his foot?
Nope. I didn't notice he was injured. I saw him go down on the edge of their box but he got back up and carried on running.
He contributed the least throughout the game. When a change was coming and Heskey was the one getting ready it made absolute sense to take him off, even ignoring the injury.
Like someone else has posted, as an attacking midfielder he's contributed absolutely nothing since joining us. OK, for part of that period he was at Newcastle contributing nothing up there. And for part of that he appeared to be ostracised from the team. But I don't think this is bad luck. He's done nothing at three different clubs for the past 3 years. It's down to him to sort it out and I've seen nothing of him in a Villa shirt that suggests he can.
Whatever you think of Ireland, he was quite clearly injured, a blind mand on a galloping horse could have spotted that. I was amazed to see him come out for the second half.
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And I was up for giving him a chance, I actually agreed with starting with him today, but after today no way!
Why? He played well.
No he never, Bannan played well, Gabby played well.
Ireland contributed nothing to the game, a few decent touches here and there is not playing well.
Since Ireland arrived at Villa he has fluffed every single chance in front of goal. If he showed abit of effort and chased a few balls down like Bannan they yeah, but he does nothing.
Im afraid your wrong Shrek, if you check out the post match thread the majority of people stated that Ireland played well
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Its no coincidence that Ireland showed his best form, when he played alongside a player smart enough to understand what he was trying to do. (Robinho)
Bannan is on the same level of thinking. It is absolutely no coincidence that our best and most entertaining football this season has been played with them two in the team. I'm warming to Mcleish now that he's playing them both, it signals an intent to play a pleasing brand of football.
The stick Ireland continues to get this season is absolutely ridiculous. We don't have anywhere near enough good players to take this attitude with one that has genuine quality.
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To be honest, I can't really remember Ireland getting that much stick at all this season, and the fact he's being given a chance at all after that nonsense about the city last year says quite a lot.
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Its 11.09 im watching MOTD and the villa game has not been on yet. When it is i will see Ireland get clattered and Adam , you willl see he was injured.
I lose faith with players when need be but Ireland played pretty well today and showed vsion and the positivity and confidence to attack and try something different to unlock a defence . Yes he fluffed a couple of chances but at least he got beyong the midfield and tried to make things happen. I thought he played as well as Bannan today who in many villa fans eyes can do no wrong.
Get behind him and he may come through....
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I think Ireland showed potentially what he can do today. Hutton wasn't great, but give the guy a chance. Much like N'Zog, we need to give these players an opportunity. Not everyone gets a flier at a club, for every Aguero there is a Bale or a Modric. Some players take time to settle.
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AM needs to continue to play Ireland. We need him to "step up". We need him to set up Bent and Gabby. Right now we are in a position for European play!
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I'll support him while he's on the pitch, but it's going to take more than a couple of nice touches to have me fawning over the little shite after the disrespect he's shown the club and the fans in his first 12 months here.
He's very lucky to even appear again for us.
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And can we get of Delphs back too? Its ridiculas, all of these players have barely played over the last 2 years so its going to take time for them to get back to how they are.
Were far too quick to critisize down VP, far too much moaning and people are never satisfied
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And can we get of Delphs back too? Its ridiculas, all of these players have barely played over the last 2 years so its going to take time for them to get back to how they are.
Were far too quick to critisize down VP, far too much moaning and people are never satisfied
Absolutely, and in Delph's case it's through no fault of his own.
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And I was up for giving him a chance, I actually agreed with starting with him today, but after today no way!
Why? He played well.
No he never, Bannan played well, Gabby played well.
Ireland contributed nothing to the game, a few decent touches here and there is not playing well.
Since Ireland arrived at Villa he has fluffed every single chance in front of goal. If he showed abit of effort and chased a few balls down like Bannan they yeah, but he does nothing.
Im afraid your wrong Shrek, if you check out the post match thread the majority of people stated that Ireland played well
I'm afraid I'm not wrong, what you mean is the majority have disagreed with my opinion.
I think Ireland may be better with a more solid midfield with him, because petrov is past it, but has to play and Delph still looks to raw, but at the moment I think AM will pick Heskey ahead of him.
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Ireland looked genuinely chuffed with his reception from the fans when he went off. I think he's turned a corner.
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I thought Ireland was good v Wigan.
I think we need to find the right combination of midfielders.
Not sure Ireland & Bannan can play in the same side, too lightweight & fancy.
Maybe Ireland/Bannan with Petrov & Jenas.
Still unsure about Delph.
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I didn't want us to sign Ireland as I was convinced he'd be trouble but he's starting to show what he has to offer. What we get with him, Bannan and Delph in midfield is much better movement and therefore more creativity. If you can't see that then perhaps you're not as good a judge as you think you are.
Hutton is fine, not brilliant but strong, hard working and good coming forward.
We're beginning to look like a team.
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Ireland is a passenger.
He has contributed very little, the odd touch, the occassional pass does not make him a good player.
He is playing in a central position and yet does nothing to influence the game. He just ticks over.
Compare him with Delph who has contributed far,far more this season, is a kid learning his trade at this level, and yet comes in for the same sort of critisism that Ireland gets. At least Delph is giving his all and trying to do the business for us.
As for Hutton.....truly shite.
In all seriousness, I can't see what he offers that Beye doesn't.
I'm not a Beye apologist, but I don't recall him actually letting us down when he has played, he is just not that good.
But, he is no worse than Hutton and we could have save Huttons's fee and wages if we'd decided to play him.
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All he needs is a run in the side. He's been so bereft of confidence the last two years, having not been rated, not played. He's at the very least playing with some determination and willingness to succeed.
I do think he and Bannan play quite well together, but as others have stated, we don't have the luxury of a midfield to allow them total freedom. We need someone in their to cover our defence and break up play alongside Petrov. Stans been good this season but it doesn't mask the fact he's declining. I'd play Clark as an Anchor with Petrov and Bannan in CM, and Ireland in a free role wide.
As for Hutton. He's got to show more, but I do think we might have dropped a bollock here. We've had worse fullbacks, but he's no Luke Young, and lets face it, Luke is at best a solid, middle of the road prem player.
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Afraid I'm not convinced by Hutton at all. Maybe having been out of Spurs first team for so long he's a bit rusty, and maybe having worked with him before McLeish can see something we haven't yet. I just hope his arrival doesn't stall Chris Herd's progress - personally I'd have been happier to run with Herd with Beye as back up
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And I was up for giving him a chance, I actually agreed with starting with him today, but after today no way!
Why? He played well.
No he never, Bannan played well, Gabby played well.
Ireland contributed nothing to the game, a few decent touches here and there is not playing well.
Since Ireland arrived at Villa he has fluffed every single chance in front of goal. If he showed abit of effort and chased a few balls down like Bannan they yeah, but he does nothing.
Im afraid your wrong Shrek, if you check out the post match thread the majority of people stated that Ireland played well
Exactly right, Ireland can play.
He looked a decent player yesterday and if he wasn't injured late in the 1st half, I feel he could have gone on to have a great second half.
I'd love to see him being given a good run.
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Hearing all this "I wouldn't play Ireland" is crazy. Our best football play comes from Ireland and Bannan playing together. Clear to see.
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Hutton is scary at the moment. Very luck not to give away a penalty yesterday and his general and close play is all over the place.
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I thought Ireland was our weak link yesterday. He did'nt have a bad game, he just did'nt seem to add anything. Compare him to Bannan who wants the ball all the time so much so that he chases after it, Ireland seems to wait for the ball to come to him. There's a hell of a player in there somewhere and he's getting game time now, so it's up to him.
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I didn't want us to sign Ireland as I was convinced he'd be trouble but he's starting to show what he has to offer. What we get with him, Bannan and Delph in midfield is much better movement and therefore more creativity. If you can't see that then perhaps you're not as good a judge as you think you are.
Yes, because you're a better judge of a football than Roberto Mancini, Gerard Houllier, Alan Pardew and Gary McAllister.
Why can't you just have an opinion rather than constantly having a pop at other posters?
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Ireland is a passenger.
He has contributed very little, the odd touch, the occassional pass does not make him a good player.
He is playing in a central position and yet does nothing to influence the game. He just ticks over.
Compare him with Delph who has contributed far,far more this season, is a kid learning his trade at this level, and yet comes in for the same sort of critisism that Ireland gets. At least Delph is giving his all and trying to do the business for us.
As for Hutton.....truly shite.
In all seriousness, I can't see what he offers that Beye doesn't.
I'm not a Beye apologist, but I don't recall him actually letting us down when he has played, he is just not that good.
But, he is no worse than Hutton and we could have save Huttons's fee and wages if we'd decided to play him.
Agree with everything you said.
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I didn't want us to sign Ireland as I was convinced he'd be trouble but he's starting to show what he has to offer. What we get with him, Bannan and Delph in midfield is much better movement and therefore more creativity. If you can't see that then perhaps you're not as good a judge as you think you are.
Yes, because you're a better judge of a football than Roberto Mancini, Gerard Houllier, Alan Pardew and Gary McAllister.
Why can't you just have an opinion rather than constantly having a pop at other posters?
To be fair to chris then, who was he having a pop at? Or is it that his opinion doesn't match yours?
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I didn't want us to sign Ireland as I was convinced he'd be trouble but he's starting to show what he has to offer. What we get with him, Bannan and Delph in midfield is much better movement and therefore more creativity. If you can't see that then perhaps you're not as good a judge as you think you are.
Yes, because you're a better judge of a football than Roberto Mancini, Gerard Houllier, Alan Pardew and Gary McAllister.
Why can't you just have an opinion rather than constantly having a pop at other posters?
To be fair to chris then, who was he having a pop at? Or is it that his opinion doesn't match yours?
He said that anyone who's opinion didn't match his is 'not as good a judge as you think you are'. It's unnecessary. He could've just stated his view and left it at that. Instead he went with his usual 'if you don't agree with me you don't know what you're talking about' attitude.
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Not sure Ireland & Bannan can play in the same side, too lightweight & fancy.
I'd be mightily pissed off if they don't continue to.
I've consigned myself to a mid table type season, so the least i'd like is to see passing, attractive football. Bannan and Ireland are our best passers of the ball by a country mile.
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I didn't want us to sign Ireland as I was convinced he'd be trouble but he's starting to show what he has to offer. What we get with him, Bannan and Delph in midfield is much better movement and therefore more creativity. If you can't see that then perhaps you're not as good a judge as you think you are.
Yes, because you're a better judge of a football than Roberto Mancini, Gerard Houllier, Alan Pardew and Gary McAllister.
Why can't you just have an opinion rather than constantly having a pop at other posters?
Could you be any more pompous? You called it the we love Stephen Ireland thread, implying that you're a better judge that all this at the game yesterday who appreciated his efforts and gave him a good ovation when he was taken off because he was injured.
You appear to have no appreciation of the different roles players are asked to do.
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I didn't want us to sign Ireland as I was convinced he'd be trouble but he's starting to show what he has to offer. What we get with him, Bannan and Delph in midfield is much better movement and therefore more creativity. If you can't see that then perhaps you're not as good a judge as you think you are.
Yes, because you're a better judge of a football than Roberto Mancini, Gerard Houllier, Alan Pardew and Gary McAllister.
Why can't you just have an opinion rather than constantly having a pop at other posters?
Could you be any more pompous? You called it the we love Stephen Ireland thread, implying that you're a better judge that all this at the game yesterday who appreciated his efforts and gave him a good ovation when he was taken off because he was injured.
You appear to have no appreciation of the different roles players are asked to do.
What's pompous about that? Do you even know what the word means?!
I called it the 'We love Stephen Ireland thread' to acknowledge it was a thread set up to be overtly positive about him when I was about to post something that didn't fit the theme. That's not implying anything.
But please, based on your knowledge from apparently being in the Villa dressing room yesterday, what role was he asked to do? Because I don't recall him setting up or scoring any goals. I don't remember him creating any chances. I don't remember him putting in many tackles. In fact, the only thing I remember him doing was skying a superb chance to score. The game mostly passed him by. If that's the role AM asked him to play then we have bigger issues than Stephen Ireland.
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What's pompous about that? Do you even know what the word means?!
I also know what unintentional irony means.
He was at the front of the diamond, his job was to keep the ball moving quickly and allow Delph and Bannan to play around him. I didn't need to be in the dressing room to know that, just use my eyes and understanding of the game. Were you there?
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What's pompous about that? Do you even know what the word means?!
I also know what unintentional irony means.
OK, so now either you don't understand pompous, irony, or maybe both.
He was at the front of the diamond, his job was to keep the ball moving quickly and allow Delph and Bannan to play around him.
His job was to let other players play around him? Bloody hell, I'm getting a call in to the Villa first thing tomorrow morning - I could stand there and let other players play around me - and I'd even do it for half Ireland's salary!!
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Right, so you weren't there. That explains a lot.
Let me explain something, you appear to be a bit slow on the uptake. You acted hurt at the thought of being called pompous and followed it up by asking if I understood the word. Your response was, therefore, to be pompous. That you didn't see the irony makes it even funnier.
Football is a team game, Ireland linked things together in our midfield. His movement and ability to move the ball quickly allowed others, Bannan in particular, to flourish. He wasn't brilliant but he had a decent game and it was appreciated by the majority of the crowd.
Let's leave it there, we're not going to agree on this.
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I still would rather see the back of Ireland. He's been here for over a year who has contributed very little and still remains one of the highest earners.
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Right, so you weren't there. That explains a lot.
Let me explain something, you appear to be a bit slow on the uptake. You acted hurt at the thought of being called pompous and followed it up by asking if I understood the word. Your response was, therefore, to be pompous. That you didn't see the irony makes it even funnier.
Football is a team game, Ireland linked things together in our midfield. His movement and ability to move the ball quickly allowed others, Bannan in particular, to flourish. He wasn't brilliant but he had a decent game and it was appreciated by the majority of the crowd.
Let's leave it there, we're not going to agree on this.
I was there so I've got just as much right to have an opinion on this as you.
Definition of pompous - 'Affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important'. I haven't shown any of these, either in the initial comments that set you off or in asking if you understood the word. Since you used it incorrectly, to ask if you understood it was a genuine question and displayed neither pomposity nor irony, intentional or otherwise.
And again you go with 'you appear to be a bit slow on the uptake' - yet more abuse of other posters rather than just sticking to your views. I'm guessing here but I reckon at least 15,000 of your 25,000 posts are attempting to explain yourself when you've upset other posters. The other 10,000 involve unprovoked abuse.
You just don't get the idea of debate do you?
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I still would rather see the back of Ireland. He's been here for over a year who has contributed very little and still remains one of the highest earners.
I certainly wouldn't want to see the back of him. I don't think we can afford to let one of our top 2 passers of the ball go.
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Not a great fan of Hutton, but he was ok defensively on saturday. Ireland was worth his place, it just isn't quite happening for him at the minute, but his workrate has definitely improved.
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Not a great fan of Hutton, but he was ok defensively on saturday. Ireland was worth his place, it just isn't quite happening for him at the minute, but his workrate has definitely improved.
Chris made a good point about Ireland's movement and quick retention of the ball allowing the other midfielders time and space to influence the game. Rat face Neville said last week that Manure always had specific meetings on how to deal with Ireland's threat.
I'm sure that given a proper run in the team, we'll start to see goals and assists from him too.
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Right, so you weren't there. That explains a lot.
Let me explain something, you appear to be a bit slow on the uptake. You acted hurt at the thought of being called pompous and followed it up by asking if I understood the word. Your response was, therefore, to be pompous. That you didn't see the irony makes it even funnier.
Football is a team game, Ireland linked things together in our midfield. His movement and ability to move the ball quickly allowed others, Bannan in particular, to flourish. He wasn't brilliant but he had a decent game and it was appreciated by the majority of the crowd.
Let's leave it there, we're not going to agree on this.
I was there so I've got just as much right to have an opinion on this as you.
Definition of pompous - 'Affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important'. I haven't shown any of these, either in the initial comments that set you off or in asking if you understood the word. Since you used it incorrectly, to ask if you understood it was a genuine question and displayed neither pomposity nor irony, intentional or otherwise.
And again you go with 'you appear to be a bit slow on the uptake' - yet more abuse of other posters rather than just sticking to your views. I'm guessing here but I reckon at least 15,000 of your 25,000 posts are attempting to explain yourself when you've upset other posters. The other 10,000 involve unprovoked abuse.
You just don't get the idea of debate do you?
You turned a general "perhaps you're not as good a judge as you think you are" into a supposed "pop at other posters" and I'm the one who doesn't get debate? It's ludicrous, by posting a contradictory opinion we are all automatically implying that we know better than the other person. That's the essence of having an opinion. It doesn't mean that we don't recognise the right of others to see things differently just that we think they're wrong.
Yet you, seemingly uniquely, can't accept that.
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Chris you are very pompous at times. The winky thing. We go back a long way.
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Ireland and Delph are very much worth sticking with because the potential rewards are great. With Bannan they are all great passers and that's exactly what we need. I know Delph is spraying a few loose ones now and then but he'll get there. I'm a fan of his anyway.
There might be something in this "diamond" at times and we have N'Zogbia (who will hopefully settle in soon) and/or Albrighton to change it to a wider game when we need to. Plus Gardner (once he gets in the team he'll be a fixture, I'm telling you) and Herd to come in and maybe Jenas will stop doing an impression of an old woman and be fit soon.
Hutton, well I always write off the first few months of a new signings Villa career. If they make an immediate impact great but all too often they need time to adjust and so I always say see how they go after a few months. I think he's capable but its a bit erratic at the moment.
As Chris says, there is definitely a decent team there.
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As regards playing Bannan and Ireland in the same team I think it will depend on the opposition. Wigan at home is very much a game to play them in the same side, Man City away, not so much.
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Hutton hasn't impressed greatly but still early days and he needs to be given more time to settle.
Everyone seems to have forgotten about Leichaj. When he's back fit he can make that right back spot his own. It's a shame he got injured as he was really looking the part.
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Hutton replaced luke Young and as he was in general well regarded by the fans, it's harder for the new player to get accepted.For the money, I personally think Hutton is a good signing and in time will be a success.If i had to put money on who proves to be the better signing between him and N'Zogbia, then i'd be backing Hutton.
As for Ireland.....
The post match thread from the Hereford game is a perfect indicator.He's called everything from superb to shit.My opinion is that he is a class act but his character is flawed.However, if it wasn't then he wouldn't be playing for us, he'd be at a top european club.
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I like Ireland and think that once the CM 3 of him Bannan and Delph click then i think they could be a force to reckon with. I just feel they all need to press higher up the pitch rather than let teams consolidate in CM then drive at us
Hutton - i feel the worst RB i have seen for some time, i thought Walkers positional play was dire but his athletism got him out of trouble - with Hutton his positional sense is non existant and i just feel there is a huge clanger to be made anytime the ball is near him
Considering his age and experience Herd is much the better all round player
Better in the air, better positional play and better even goal threat
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I like Chris Herd but that's some claim to make for a player with only one competitive first team game at right back under his belt.
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This is true but I felt Herd did more than enough to be given another chance in that game and you wonder when he'll get it.
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"Definition of pompous - 'Affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important'. I haven't shown any of these."
I might regret getting involved here but this made me chuckle. Isn't quoting the dictionary to try and prove yourself right during a discussion about a Villa midfielder perhaps a bit pompous?
Anyway, Ireland played pretty well on saturday and I thought Wigan's best period/our worst of the game came after he went off.
I also agree with the OP that people are being too harsh on Hutton. He was our only outlet on the right due to our lack of width in midfield and covered a lot of ground and made some decent runs. His final ball wasn't good enough most of the time but I'm sure that will improve. And defensively he worries me less than warnock has most of this season, and he had very little cover in front of him on Saturday.
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"I might regret getting involved here but this made me chuckle. Isn't quoting the dictionary to try and prove yourself right during a discussion about a Villa midfielder perhaps a bit pompous?"
How about pointing this out?
Oh shit now i've done it as well.Bunch of pompous tossbags ;)
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Oh dear we are aren't we?
I have noticed that this forum does seem to digress into arguments over the correct use of words and the like more than most football fan sites...
Are we just a more cultured breed of fan at the Villa or is everyone just a bit up themselves?
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I'm more cultured the rest of you are just up yourselves.
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Pompous arsehole.
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Just imagine what it must be like on the Norwich boards, if Stephen Fry posts on there. Jesus, they'd all feel like Alan Davies, and who the hell wants to feel like that!?
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Delph has been poor, giving the ball away time after time, but yet SI gets the stick every week. SI gets better every game he plays and is growing in confidence.
Lets give him some time, he WILL come good.
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Delph has been poor, giving the ball away time after time, but yet SI gets the stick every week. SI gets better every game he plays and is growing in confidence.
Lets give him some time, he WILL come good.
Whilst I thouight Ireland did well on Saturday, the "give him time" argument is always going to come up against the fact he's been here over a year and achieved nothing largely through his own bonkers-ness.
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Delph has been poor, giving the ball away time after time, but yet SI gets the stick every week. SI gets better every game he plays and is growing in confidence.
Lets give him some time, he WILL come good.
Delph was very good in the first two games and has had the odd decent half since. He's young and coming back from a long term injury. It's going to go a bit awry at times but we have to stick by him because he could be a top player.
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Delph has been poor, giving the ball away time after time, but yet SI gets the stick every week. SI gets better every game he plays and is growing in confidence.
Lets give him some time, he WILL come good.
Whilst I thouight Ireland did well on Saturday, the "give him time" argument is always going to come up against the fact he's been here over a year and achieved nothing largely through his own bonkers-ness.
I am in total agreement, Ireland was a complete idiot last season, I doubt anyone would beg to differ, however, he came back this season, tail between legs and seems ready to knuckle down and try kick start his career again. Based on that i'm willing to back him and wait patiently for the messi inside him to appear :P
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Just imagine what it must be like on the Norwich boards, if Stephen Fry posts on there. Jesus, they'd all feel like Alan Davies, and who the hell wants to feel like that!?
I'd love the opportunity to debate football with Stephen Fry.
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I still would rather see the back of Ireland. He's been here for over a year who has contributed very little and still remains one of the highest earners.
I certainly wouldn't want to see the back of him. I don't think we can afford to let one of our top 2 passers of the ball go.
He ain't going anywhere, unless we agree some sort of salary deal. But enough of Chris Smith! :-)
Ireland and BB can be v good together, with a few games under their belt and - crucially - a more robust pairs of CMF players. Petrov is still capable of some good things, and I'm hoping that JJ can provide more steel.
Delph? - I'm a fan but we should not be relying a a kid who is still learning and missed most of last season with injury problems.
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Just imagine what it must be like on the Norwich boards, if Stephen Fry posts on there. Jesus, they'd all feel like Alan Davies, and who the hell wants to feel like that!?
I'd love the opportunity to debate football with Stephen Fry.
Is it just me who'd heartily sick of seeing Stephen Fry on TV all the bleedin' time? He's turning into a bit of a parody of himself in my opinion, and he clearly practices dropping his voice an octave or two when he's got something "serious" to say. Self important luvvie.
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A very clever bloke, his fascination with Twitter is somewhat unusual though.
He must have stopped walking while reading e books as he seems to have piled on the weight again.
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Delph has been poor, giving the ball away time after time, but yet SI gets the stick every week.
The stick was getting dished out pretty equally where I was sitting.
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I'm more cultured the rest of you are just up yourselves.
Comma after cultured please Chris. *tuts*
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A very clever bloke, his fascination with Twitter is somewhat unusual though.
He's bi-polar isn't he? That probably explains it a bit.
I do wish he'd stop going on about it, though. Twitter, not the bi-polar bit.
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I like him but he is in danger of turing into one of those annoying TV rent-an-intellectuals.
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A very clever bloke, his fascination with Twitter is somewhat unusual though.
He's bi-polar isn't he? That probably explains it a bit.
I do wish he'd stop going on about it, though. Twitter, not the bi-polar bit.
I don't see what his sexuality has to do with it
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I'm more cultured the rest of you are just up yourselves.
Comma after cultured please Chris. *tuts*
Semi-colon.