Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: paulcomben on September 23, 2011, 10:11:37 PM
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-23990210-working-with-warnock-such-a-thrill-after-my-houllier-hell.do
Cannot see this London-originated link in another thread.
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Depardieu? Butler? Smith?
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Even though I was Houllier's n° 1 enemy, I think that for £50k per week, or whatever, the manager is entitled to make you read Twelfth Night, do 4 pages of quadratic equations and have you do a charcoal perspective of the Selfridges building, and 45 minutes of circuit training before letting you have twenty minutes of five-a-side.
So Shut the Fuck Up Luke!
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*chortle*
Twenty years after Venglos and our lads still don't want to know about foreign methods that require extra effort and a different way of thinking.
So...er, yeah. Shut the fuck up, Luke!
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"I want you to run across the pitch and back holding your breath while reciting Machado"
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Why should he shut the fuck up ?
The manager managed to alienate most of the first team squad, that told on the performances.
Look at Dunne, Collins and Warnock since he left.
The manager was a cock, the players knew it and the stories are now filtering out.
I don't see too many stories coming out about how much the players miss Houllier, his methods and his great man management.
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That's a good point ger!
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I don't see too many stories coming out about how much the players miss Houllier, his methods and his great man management.
Give Pires time.
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Fast forward to next season - "New West Ham star Luke Young reveals his Warnock hell"
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
A transfer request's one thing, and I agree with you on that. But who the hell in human history has ever requested that they stop being paid their wages?
John Elway and that bearded Roma player, but that wasn't really Luke Young's relationship with Villa was it?
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Why should he shut the fuck up ?
The manager managed to alienate most of the first team squad, that told on the performances.
Look at Dunne, Collins and Warnock since he left.
The manager was a cock, the players knew it and the stories are now filtering out.
I don't see too many stories coming out about how much the players miss Houllier, his methods and his great man management.
The fact that Dunne, Collins and Warnock can all of a sudden start to play better now Houllier has gone smacks of spoilt little brats kicking up a fuss when they can't get their own way. Because these players put themselves before the club with their antics makes a good arguement to get rid of them. A few of our players need their attitude re-aligning and a reminder who pays their wages. On a previous post people talked about something rotten in the team, I believe these three players are definately in that barrel.
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
A transfer request's one thing, and I agree with you on that. But who the hell in human history has ever requested that they stop being paid their wages?
John Elway and that bearded Roma player, but that wasn't really Luke Young's relationship with Villa was it?
It wasn't exactly a serious point, but it takes the piss when players can not only pick up fortunes for doing very little but can then say how 'unhappy' they were while doing it.
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Next week: warnock "I really didn't like Houllier"
Gettin a bit boring now isn't it
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Funny how the papers don't ask supporters approaching Villa Park for their views. These are the people that they expect to buy the papers on the basis of the crap that they have been told by players that are fucking crap. It has been going on for years. The Mail has always put things in that have been quoted by players but have been bollocks. Most of the time they talk to players who should not be playing themselves.
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
A transfer request's one thing, and I agree with you on that. But who the hell in human history has ever requested that they stop being paid their wages?
John Elway and that bearded Roma player, but that wasn't really Luke Young's relationship with Villa was it?
It wasn't exactly a serious point, but it takes the piss when players can not only pick up fortunes for doing very little but can then say how 'unhappy' they were while doing it.
Sorry, I missed the comic richness.
He's obviously been asked about his time at Villa, is he not entitled to air his opinion?
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
A transfer request's one thing, and I agree with you on that. But who the hell in human history has ever requested that they stop being paid their wages?
John Elway and that bearded Roma player, but that wasn't really Luke Young's relationship with Villa was it?
It wasn't exactly a serious point, but it takes the piss when players can not only pick up fortunes for doing very little but can then say how 'unhappy' they were while doing it.
Sorry, I missed the comic richness.
He's obviously been asked about his time at Villa, is he not entitled to air his opinion?
No.
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
A transfer request's one thing, and I agree with you on that. But who the hell in human history has ever requested that they stop being paid their wages?
John Elway and that bearded Roma player, but that wasn't really Luke Young's relationship with Villa was it?
It wasn't exactly a serious point, but it takes the piss when players can not only pick up fortunes for doing very little but can then say how 'unhappy' they were while doing it.
Sorry, I missed the comic richness.
He's obviously been asked about his time at Villa, is he not entitled to air his opinion?
How come you're suddenly jumping down my throat? I'd have thought someone who has been made very rich by an employer while not always giving maximum value might possess enough decency not to then criticise them in public.
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Villainous is still missing MON, probably more than Villadawg.
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Why should he shut the fuck up ?
The manager managed to alienate most of the first team squad, that told on the performances.
Look at Dunne, Collins and Warnock since he left.
The manager was a cock, the players knew it and the stories are now filtering out.
I don't see too many stories coming out about how much the players miss Houllier, his methods and his great man management.
The fact that Dunne, Collins and Warnock can all of a sudden start to play better now Houllier has gone smacks of spoilt little brats kicking up a fuss when they can't get their own way. Because these players put themselves before the club with their antics makes a good arguement to get rid of them. A few of our players need their attitude re-aligning and a reminder who pays their wages. On a previous post people talked about something rotten in the team, I believe these three players are definately in that barrel.
Spot on. Give me what Houllier was trying to do over the current set up any day. At least there was a resemblance to trying to change style and progress.
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
A transfer request's one thing, and I agree with you on that. But who the hell in human history has ever requested that they stop being paid their wages?
John Elway and that bearded Roma player, but that wasn't really Luke Young's relationship with Villa was it?
It wasn't exactly a serious point, but it takes the piss when players can not only pick up fortunes for doing very little but can then say how 'unhappy' they were while doing it.
Sorry, I missed the comic richness.
He's obviously been asked about his time at Villa, is he not entitled to air his opinion?
How come you're suddenly jumping down my throat? I'd have thought someone who has been made very rich by an employer while not always giving maximum value might possess enough decency not to then criticise them in public.
Nobody's jumping down your throat - but if people can't say what they think because they've been well paid then what's the point of anything? Ringo can't have a go at Paul, McGrath can't have a go at himself, Vanunu can't have a go at Israel, Deep throat...etc etc etc
If everybody performed to 100% of their capacity despite the context then there'd be no need for managers, surely?
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Villainous is still missing MON, probably more than Villadawg.
Yup.
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I am stuck somewhere between being bored and annoyed by certain players who either did not want to, or could not adapt their game to what they wanted. Any job that pays more than the average annual salary per week should be filled by people willing to earn that money.
Crying like a spoilt child and picking up a fortune is taking the piss. I have seen players this week in their comfort zone and it was awful. I might be in a minority but I would have GH over AM as at least there seemed to be an ambition to change and evolve. And again, probably in my party of only a few, Warnock has been no better than average this season and at times a liability. I have no idea why he is being put forward as a player that proves a point.
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
A transfer request's one thing, and I agree with you on that. But who the hell in human history has ever requested that they stop being paid their wages?
John Elway and that bearded Roma player, but that wasn't really Luke Young's relationship with Villa was it?
It wasn't exactly a serious point, but it takes the piss when players can not only pick up fortunes for doing very little but can then say how 'unhappy' they were while doing it.
Sorry, I missed the comic richness.
He's obviously been asked about his time at Villa, is he not entitled to air his opinion?
How come you're suddenly jumping down my throat? I'd have thought someone who has been made very rich by an employer while not always giving maximum value might possess enough decency not to then criticise them in public.
Nobody's jumping down your throat - but if people can't say what they think because they've been well paid then what's the point of anything? Ringo can't have a go at Paul, McGrath can't have a go at himself, Vanunu can't have a go at Israel, Deep throat...etc etc etc
If everybody performed to 100% of their capacity despite the context then there'd be no need for managers, surely?
I wasn't aware that any of those you mentioned were employee/employer and I repeat what I said earlier - anyone who is happy to be paid the annual equivalent of a lottery jackpot win could at least have the common decency to keep quiet about those who paid it.
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
A transfer request's one thing, and I agree with you on that. But who the hell in human history has ever requested that they stop being paid their wages?
John Elway and that bearded Roma player, but that wasn't really Luke Young's relationship with Villa was it?
It wasn't exactly a serious point, but it takes the piss when players can not only pick up fortunes for doing very little but can then say how 'unhappy' they were while doing it.
Sorry, I missed the comic richness.
He's obviously been asked about his time at Villa, is he not entitled to air his opinion?
How come you're suddenly jumping down my throat? I'd have thought someone who has been made very rich by an employer while not always giving maximum value might possess enough decency not to then criticise them in public.
Nobody's jumping down your throat - but if people can't say what they think because they've been well paid then what's the point of anything? Ringo can't have a go at Paul, McGrath can't have a go at himself, Vanunu can't have a go at Israel, Deep throat...etc etc etc
If everybody performed to 100% of their capacity despite the context then there'd be no need for managers, surely?
I wasn't aware that any of those you mentioned were employee/employer and I repeat what I said earlier - anyone who is happy to be paid the annual equivalent of a lottery jackpot win could at least have the common decency to keep quiet about those who paid it.
Ringo and Paul, maybe not, but it's a de facto employee/er relationship. Vanunu worked on the Israeli bomb project, I think, and Mcgrath's demons were reliant on the monthly stipend. Still though, it was an illustration, and it served the purpose I intended it for.
Also, Young wasn't criticising Villa, he was very clearly talking just about Houllier.
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And I repeat: If everybody performed to 100% of their capacity despite the context then there'd be no need for managers, surely?
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I am stuck somewhere between being bored and annoyed by certain players who either did not want to, or could not adapt their game to what they wanted. Any job that pays more than the average annual salary per week should be filled by people willing to earn that money.
Crying like a spoilt child and picking up a fortune is taking the piss. I have seen players this week in their comfort zone and it was awful. I might be in a minority but I would have GH over AM as at least there seemed to be an ambition to change and evolve. And again, probably in my party of only a few, Warnock has been no better than average this season and at times a liability. I have no idea why he is being put forward as a player that proves a point.
I wasn't a huge fan of GH - though by the end of the campaign and all things considered, I thought he deserved another tilt at the thing. Health permitting.
I'm even less keen on players who -looking at it now- seemed to have spent the bulk of last season sulking. Whether they liked, were neutral or outright hated GH is immaterial to me. The best players (or the ones with a bit of character) find a way. Ash, Downing, Bent and NRC didn't use GH's failings as an excuse to let their standards dip.
I'd quite happily bomb Dunne, Collins, Warnock and any other second rate player who felt it was OK to coast last season out of it though, even now. Get them as far away from VP as possible. Tie them to a tomahawk missile and just fcuk them out of it completely.
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So the gist of it was Houllier demanded a bit of discipline and wanted the players to put in extra work?
Jesus, I've changed my mind, the bastard was worse than Hitler.
The worrying thing is we still have 3 or 4 who seems to share the same opinion as Young. With attitudes like that no wonder we get turned over by bolton
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I am stuck somewhere between being bored and annoyed by certain players who either did not want to, or could not adapt their game to what they wanted. Any job that pays more than the average annual salary per week should be filled by people willing to earn that money.
Crying like a spoilt child and picking up a fortune is taking the piss. I have seen players this week in their comfort zone and it was awful. I might be in a minority but I would have GH over AM as at least there seemed to be an ambition to change and evolve. And again, probably in my party of only a few, Warnock has been no better than average this season and at times a liability. I have no idea why he is being put forward as a player that proves a point.
I wasn't a huge fan of GH - though by the end of the campaign and all things considered, I thought he deserved another tilt at the thing. Health permitting.
I'm even less keen on players who -looking at it now- seemed to have spent the bulk of last season sulking. Whether they liked, were neutral or outright hated GH is immaterial to me. The best players (or the ones with a bit of character) find a way. Ash, Downing, Bent and NRC didn't use GH's failings as an excuse to let their standards dip.
I'd quite happily bomb Dunne, Collins, Warnock and any other second rate player who felt it was OK to coast last season out of it though, even now. Get them as far away from VP as possible. Tie them to a tomahawk missile and just fcuk them out of it completely.
AYE.
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Why should he shut the fuck up ?
The manager managed to alienate most of the first team squad, that told on the performances.
Look at Dunne, Collins and Warnock since he left.
The manager was a cock, the players knew it and the stories are now filtering out.
I don't see too many stories coming out about how much the players miss Houllier, his methods and his great man management.
The fact that Dunne, Collins and Warnock can all of a sudden start to play better now Houllier has gone smacks of spoilt little brats kicking up a fuss when they can't get their own way. Because these players put themselves before the club with their antics makes a good arguement to get rid of them. A few of our players need their attitude re-aligning and a reminder who pays their wages. On a previous post people talked about something rotten in the team, I believe these three players are definately in that barrel.
100% agree.....overpaid prima donnas need to have a real dose of reality employment....mmm new TV series methinks
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Just like any job, you should work to the absolute best standard that you can everyday, regardless of who's in charge. That's professionalism in the real world that seems somewhat lacking with Premier league footballers. If one of my boys isn't performing at work we talk about it and sort it and move on and they probably have a quick grumble about it behind closed doors. It would seem that most footballers would prefer to conduct their affairs of business through the media to rally support and sympathy to their plights of hardship.
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How many players actually enjoyed playing under Houllier ?
I'd stab a guess at 2 only - Albrighton and Bannan, cos they were allowed to play 1st team football.
I agree that he should just get on with his game mind (Young).
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These players need to stop moaning so much. Basically what their saying is, Houllier gave them orders. They're paid 50k a week to do what the manager says. Never mind the fact he was inept, the players didn't like having to work harder. Plain and simple.
It'll be interesting to see what they say about McLeish after he's been booted out.
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The manager is employed to get the best out of the players he manages. If his methods don't do that then he isn't doing the best he can. GH might have had decent ideas of how the game should be played but did not have the ability to inspire and motivate, just the opposite in fact.
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This is what happens when you pay the workforce more than the manager - other than in sales (where pay is based upon performance - performance related pay if you will) what other industry pays the the gaffer less than "his staff/team"
No wonder there is no respect - they get paid £50k per week no matter how they perform..... still its a short career and all that sh**
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This is what happens when you pay the workforce more than the manager - other than in sales (where pay is based upon performance - performance related pay if you will) what other industry pays the the gaffer less than "his staff/team"
No wonder there is no respect - they get paid £50k per week no matter how they perform..... still its a short career and all that sh**
Respect is an interesting concept. What respect for Aston Villa did GH show at Anfield last season?
In most circumstances it is something you earn, I don't think he felt he needed to bother as he was too good for a team he viewed as being lucky to have him. What was his phrase on being appointed about mid-table?
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I have no problems with Luke Young. He never gave less than 100% and was always prepared to get stuck in. Dunne, Collins and Warnock is a different story.
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This is what happens when you pay the workforce more than the manager - other than in sales (where pay is based upon performance - performance related pay if you will) what other industry pays the the gaffer less than "his staff/team"
No wonder there is no respect - they get paid £50k per week no matter how they perform..... still its a short career and all that sh**
Respect is an interesting concept. What respect for Aston Villa did GH show at Anfield last season?
In most circumstances it is something you earn, I don't think he felt he needed to bother as he was too good for a team he viewed as being lucky to have him. What was his phrase on being appointed about mid-table?
I see your point Chris - likewise respect should also be a two way thing, as well as being earned.
Whatever way we look upon his short tenure at VP - "the chemistry wasn`t right".
Similarly, using another chemistry metaphore - McLeish and his fit with the club is akin to "mixing water with oil" but that`s for another thread no doubt.
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I think Young is wrong to criticize Houllier and by clear inference the club who employed them both. Young did just what Downing did and many more before them, he used Villa as a soft touch, a cushy billet, an easy ride while he drew his prodigious wages and sat on the back of the tandem with his feet on the handlebars.
I have tried to give credit where it is due as far as McLeish is concerned and have been genuinely pleased by his performance with the media. However, looking at this stereotypical Young outburst I think he was wrong to regard the past (both under Houllier and O'Neill) as done and done with. It may have been only media talk to say the slate is wiped clean but either the slate is wiped clean and McLeish ignores the way players have behaved in the past he is a fool or if the slate is not wiped clean and he has got his beady eye on the malingerers it is disingenuous (okay, bullshit) to trumpet to the world that the past is forgotten.
If you take over a management job in any field your staff come with form - this one throws a million sickies, that one drops her drawers in the stationery cupboard, that one said her grannie had died while all the time she was leading the local boxercise classes - and you make plans accordingly.
I am firmly in the school of thought that Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland are still very much potential trouble makers. If your dog has bitten the postman there is every chance, once the bruises go down, that he will bite the milkman.
If McLeish is to stamp an acceptable style on the performance and behaviour of Villa players he has to think long and hard before doing things like chucking out Makoun but giving Ireland yet more rope. It smacks of favouritism which is particularly dangerous when one of those being seen as a favourite has done nothing whatsoever to deserve it. Ireland is doing just what Luke Young did and using Villa as a nursing home.
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No mention from Luke for the support the club gave him when experiencing a tough time in his personal life then, no? Shocker.
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I suppose Houllier told Dunne to come back to training three stone overweight and demanded him and Collins get pissed together and start a fight. When will these pricks take responsibility for there own actions?
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He obviously wasn't alienated enough to ask for a move or turn down his wages.
A transfer request's one thing, and I agree with you on that. But who the hell in human history has ever requested that they stop being paid their wages?
John Elway and that bearded Roma player, but that wasn't really Luke Young's relationship with Villa was it?
ac milans possibly former usa central defender who was out injured for a season and played the next season for free to earn the wages he got for doing sod all. can remember his name began with o tho. admittidly he was joking but the club diidnt get the joke and made him play fro free for a year
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I think Young is wrong to criticize Houllier and by clear inference the club who employed them both. Young did just what Downing did and many more before them, he used Villa as a soft touch, a cushy billet, an easy ride while he drew his prodigious wages and sat on the back of the tandem with his feet on the handlebars.
I have tried to give credit where it is due as far as McLeish is concerned and have been genuinely pleased by his performance with the media. However, looking at this stereotypical Young outburst I think he was wrong to regard the past (both under Houllier and O'Neill) as done and done with. It may have been only media talk to say the slate is wiped clean but either the slate is wiped clean and McLeish ignores the way players have behaved in the past he is a fool or if the slate is not wiped clean and he has got his beady eye on the malingerers it is disingenuous (okay, bullshit) to trumpet to the world that the past is forgotten.
If you take over a management job in any field your staff come with form - this one throws a million sickies, that one drops her drawers in the stationery cupboard, that one said her grannie had died while all the time she was leading the local boxercise classes - and you make plans accordingly.
I am firmly in the school of thought that Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland are still very much potential trouble makers. If your dog has bitten the postman there is every chance, once the bruises go down, that he will bite the milkman.
If McLeish is to stamp an acceptable style on the performance and behaviour of Villa players he has to think long and hard before doing things like chucking out Makoun but giving Ireland yet more rope. It smacks of favouritism which is particularly dangerous when one of those being seen as a favourite has done nothing whatsoever to deserve it. Ireland is doing just what Luke Young did and using Villa as a nursing home.
Agree completely.
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This is what happens when you pay the workforce more than the manager - other than in sales (where pay is based upon performance - performance related pay if you will) what other industry pays the the gaffer less than "his staff/team"
No wonder there is no respect - they get paid £50k per week no matter how they perform..... still its a short career and all that sh**
I don't reckon Alex Ferguson earns anything close to the salaries of any of his top players. You earn respect from being good at your job and learning how to deal with people according to their personalities.
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I think that GH "suggested" to players that they might like to improve their own game, by thinking about it more, and being prepared to put some extra work, a la Cantona.
Unfortunately it tends to be the British players who seemed to have problems with this approach, the old fashioned mentality if you like of "do my shift, then go ", the kid of players that MON liked , that would do as they were told.
MM, came up with a story on VT last year that the reason why Dunne and GH fell out was because of an arguement they had about Gabby.Dunne thought that Gabby was lazy, and did'nt put enough effort in during games, GH suggested that as a senior player Dunne should sort it out on the pitch, and that started the fallout.
As someone suggested earlier, LYoung and Dunne , Heskey , Beye, Friedel etc came to Villa because of the paypacket and comfort zone.Unfortunately i think Hutton might be the same.We need to be buying the next Ashley Youngs, Milners, thats why i think we need to perservere with Delph, Bannan etc, and bring in Herd and Clark asap.We need to get away from the "now" players of MON, and buy players with potential, with a smattering of experience.
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Be fair, it must have been literally horrendous at times. Your not playing, your still earning £55k a week and wife is literally in your ear at Selfridges banging on about which gucci watch to have, you'd be on suicide watch if you were in that situation.
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I'd quite happily bomb Dunne, Collins, Warnock and any other second rate player who felt it was OK to coast last season out of it though, even now. Get them as far away from VP as possible. Tie them to a tomahawk missile and just fcuk them out of it completely.
Yep. I'm not absolving Houllier of blame but the players were to blame as much as he was for last season yet he was the one who carried the can whilst they were able to carry on regardless.
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I can well accept that GH's approach might have got the players backs up at times. Not just if he was asking them to do extra work outside of the usual training, but the way he talks generally.
He pissed us off plenty of times, so why not the players? Increase that by a factor of plenty as they had to see him (and listen to him) every day. His gob was his biggest letdown dating back to his time at Liverpool, some of the riddles and excercises in passing the buck he came out with in press conferences even that far back were cringeworthy.
So I was prepared (ish) for similar foot in mouth behaviour and the odd player or three finding that exiting B6 was suddenly a swell idea.
But:
He's not a complete space cadet. Maybe his PR is lousy (understatement) but get through that and you have a sound footballing brain. You don't achieve what he has in the game by being a bluffer and a bullshitter.
If Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Ireland or whoever were unsure of his credentials, they should all have just been called into a room by the top brass and told to bring their medals. Only a player who can trump what he has achieved in the game can legitametly think that way, IMO. Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Ireland? Not a medal between them. Unless we're counting runners up medals.
It's surprising for an intellligent man, but someone (a Redscouse fan IIRC) told me a while ago that GH's biggest failing is that he is emotional or 'too honest' at times. I wasn't sure anyone could really be too honest, but I get what he meant now.
He took pelters (by me included) for the mid table barbs just prior to appointment. But most people outside of B6 generally consider us that -and we were closer to that more often than not during his last spell in England- when he would have probably seen more of us than at any other time in his career. Maybe he wasn't prepared to sugar coat his verdict on players like Dunne, Collins, Warnock and Gabby. Maybe a manager shouldn't really have to.
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I see your point, KG, but the job title is "manager" not "dictator". He is there to get the best out of the players and his approach clearly didn't do that. They don't have to like him but they need to respect his methods. Last season was just one bad news story after another and much of it centred around GH, I quite liked what he was trying to do on th pitch but that's only half of the job.
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True Chris.
But we can probably all think of managers or people senior to us in our careers who -at the time- got our backs up. Yet later in life we might look at it and think 'actually, they had a point.'
It's great if you can get on well with the boss, but for me it's not a prerequisite. So long as they impart some kind of knowledge and the scope is there to use that knowledge to improve your own skills or situation in some way.
Whether one chooses to go that route, or the spolit brat approach some of our players took depends on the individual I guess. Maybe they would have been happy with Steve Harrison back at the club, complete with paper cup party pieces, card tricks and all the rest of it.
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Interesting you mention Harrison, could have sworn I saw him on the sidelines of Hull City I think, the other night.
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From all reports many didn't particularly like O'Neill on a personal level but they gave everything on the pitch. So I'm not suggesting that they have to best mates but the impression I'm getting is that he treated them like kids. It comes back to the idea of him trying to change too much too quickly, it's almost like he was implying that they were crap before and none of us would be happy with a boss like that.
It's like a less extreme version of Clough at Leeds, he might have been correct but went about it in the wrong way.
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As I posted in many a post-match thread last season,'the players are a disgrace, but we need a manager who can get these wankers playing.' GH didn't have a clue how to do that.
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I'm getting really pissed of with players coming out and slagging off the previous manager. They know they can come out and say what they like without Gerard ever really being able to have a go back and give his version of things.
As for Luke Young, wasn't he also unhappy with O'Neill?
They're all paid a lot of money and really should just get on with it, whoever's in charge, otherwise it's an insult to the people that really matter at a football club – us.
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GH tried to drag the players, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century. Even if GH is gone, the players are still kicking and screaming.
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As Martin Swain once said, and as I'm forever repeating, there's a very good living to be made at Villa Park, just so long as the team don't look in danger of being relegated.
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Villa Park does seem to be a nest of vipers at times
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Young wasn't good enough to get in the team and yet was still being paid handsomely, is the manager not entitled to ask what extra effort the player is doing to remedy the situation?
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Houlier's mantra pretty much from day one as I was told was "adapt or die". That doesn't particularly strike me as good man management. Fair enough, he had a vision as to how the game should be played, but to try and instill that vision without thought to the personnel at his disposal was a strange thing to do.
It's obvious he upset a lot of players and upset the fans too with his antics he was from the MON school where players were treated like kids except that in Houliers's case it wasn't a parent child relationship but more the headmaster unruly children one with the unruly children not allowed to express themselves.