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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: JUAN PABLO on September 19, 2011, 12:01:41 PM
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Houlier on talk sport in a few minutes and tonight on RAdio 1 9 p.m , there is a modern football apprentice documentary with Dion Dublin who talks to Petrov and Darren Bent
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What is Houllier doing? Reading the traffic news?
About all the cock is good for
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Ashley Young and wanker Downing improved under mcallister , he said ..
mcallister is a modern top coach , he continues .....
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Ash improved last season? How, by playing him in a position that did no good for the team. Just sums the bloke up really.
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utter spiel...............
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How on earth did Ashley Young improve last season ?
We made him Captain, let him take all the free kicks (even ones in our own half), throw ins, the lot, in a desperate attempt to keep hold of him. He was going through the motions....... we all knew he was off to Man Utd.
He is putting twice the effort in for them than he gave us last season.
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How on earth did Ashley Young improve last season ?
We made him Captain, let him take all the free kicks (even ones in our own half), throw ins, the lot, in a desperate attempt to keep hold of him. He was going through the motions....... we all knew he was off to Man Utd.
He is putting twice the effort in for them than he gave us last season.
As with N'Zogbia, I don't think it's lack of effort. Last season he was played out of position in a shit side, for a crap manager. This year he's surrounded by a much higher class of player and is playing in his preferred position for a brilliant manager.
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How on earth did Ashley Young improve last season ?
We made him Captain, let him take all the free kicks (even ones in our own half), throw ins, the lot, in a desperate attempt to keep hold of him. He was going through the motions....... we all knew he was off to Man Utd.
He is putting twice the effort in for them than he gave us last season.
I don't think it's lack of effort. Last season he was played out of position in a shit side, for a crap manager.
Spot on.
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Sometimes, when people talk about Ashley Young, I think they're talking about an entirely different player.
How can anyone accuse him of lack of effort last season? You can accuse him of a few things, but lack of effort is the last thing I'd ever throw at him
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What is Houllier doing? Reading the traffic news?
About all the cock is good for
Charming.
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Agree 100% with Paulie and zero% with Richie on this one. Ashley Young gave us four years of complete commitment wherever he was asked to play. The fact that he's made such a good start to this season is because he is playing amongst a whole team of very good footballers under a master tactician. Maybe that's the difference, not that he wasn't trying - maybe he was trying too hard. I bear him absolutely no hard feelings (unlike certain others who have jumped ship).
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What is Houllier doing? Reading the traffic news?
About all the cock is good for
Charming.
The bloke was cock who for the most part hadn't got a clue. best example being Sunderland at home - one of the most inept displays of management i've seen in the past 10 years.
So yes IMO Houllier was a cock
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How on earth did Ashley Young improve last season ?
We made him Captain, let him take all the free kicks (even ones in our own half), throw ins, the lot, in a desperate attempt to keep hold of him. He was going through the motions....... we all knew he was off to Man Utd.
He is putting twice the effort in for them than he gave us last season.
Well that's complete bollocks. One thing you could never criticise Ashley Young for was his effort. If he hadn't put the effort in, there's no way Ferguson would've signed him.
Try watching the games before you make comments next time.
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I was never a fan of Houllier but gave him a chance. It quickly became apparent he was trying to change things too quickly and was making a cock of everything.
The more time that passes, the worse his mistakes look. A side that had Ashley Young, Downing, Carew Friedal, Dunne, Luke Young, Gabby and Darren Bent should not have been fighting relegation in April.
He went out of his way to put his stamp on things, to piss of players like Warnock, Carew and Dunne and nearly took us down for it. Look how good Warnock, Dunne and Collins have been this season. If we manage a ninth position finish this season with a much weaker squad how crap will Houllier look then?
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The more time that passes, the worse his mistakes look.
It's called hindsight. A more nuanced view might take into account that he tried to have us playing decent football, that he experienced one of the worst injury crisis in living memory and that several players didn't actually spend the pre-season getting into shape. Some of his ideas were good, but his implementation was poor. But to say that Houllier was crap, or a disaster, is biased and one-sided, to say the least, and there is yet little indication that we are better off without him. (People might like to point to our improved defence, but we conceded 12 goals in the last 10 matches of the Houllier/GMac period, which is not much worse than 4 in 5 matches if you factor in the turgid performances and the quality of the opposition so far this season.)
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Sometimes, when people talk about Ashley Young, I think they're talking about an entirely different player.
How can anyone accuse him of lack of effort last season? You can accuse him of a few things, but lack of effort is the last thing I'd ever throw at him
Agreed.
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Ash was not as effective last season in the position he played which houllier made clear was where ash wanted to play , he is a far more effective player out wide but one thing i would never question is his effort and he always gave 100%-his tracking back and defensive work were often overlooked and i for one hope and believe he will get a very good reception when he returns to villa park with united this season.
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Young always gave 100% problem is he was our best player and as such defenders doubled up on him. Now he's at manure they have lots of good players and they can't afford to do this. This is why he suddenly looks a better player
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Sometimes, when people talk about Ashley Young, I think they're talking about an entirely different player.
How can anyone accuse him of lack of effort last season? You can accuse him of a few things, but lack of effort is the last thing I'd ever throw at him
Agreed.
Well being a student in the art of reality, I'd say that Ashley Young came across last season as being petulant, a spoilt brat who wasn't getting his own way and inclined to argue the toss with referees for the slightest reason.( The real reason Fergie bought him?)
Okay, he may have been frustrated with the way things were going on and off the pitch, but it was plain to see that he didn't want to play for The Villa any more and his goal celebrations spoke volumes when he would just walk away as if to say " I've scored so what".
Having said all that I must admit that his time with us before last season was well worth the entrance money.
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Sometimes, when people talk about Ashley Young, I think they're talking about an entirely different player.
How can anyone accuse him of lack of effort last season? You can accuse him of a few things, but lack of effort is the last thing I'd ever throw at him
Agreed.
Well being a student in the art of reality, I'd say that Ashley Young came across last season as being petulant, a spoilt brat who wasn't getting his own way and inclined to argue the toss with referees for the slightest reason.( The real reason Fergie bought him?)
Okay, he may have been frustrated with the way things were going on and off the pitch, but it was plain to see that he didn't want to play for The Villa any more and his goal celebrations spoke volumes when he would just walk away as if to say " I've scored so what".
Having said all that I must admit that his time with us before last season was well worth the entrance money.
He was petulant 80% of the time, but in that other 20% he would track back, be eager for the ball, whip in a cracking cross, create something from nothing or whip in a nifty free kick.
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Funnily enough he is playing wide for manu and looks fantastic... Can you see that Mr Houlier?
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Sometimes, when people talk about Ashley Young, I think they're talking about an entirely different player.
How can anyone accuse him of lack of effort last season? You can accuse him of a few things, but lack of effort is the last thing I'd ever throw at him
Agreed.
Well being a student in the art of reality, I'd say that Ashley Young came across last season as being petulant, a spoilt brat who wasn't getting his own way and inclined to argue the toss with referees for the slightest reason.( The real reason Fergie bought him?)
Okay, he may have been frustrated with the way things were going on and off the pitch, but it was plain to see that he didn't want to play for The Villa any more and his goal celebrations spoke volumes when he would just walk away as if to say " I've scored so what".
Having said all that I must admit that his time with us before last season was well worth the entrance money.
He was petulant 80% of the time, but in that other 20% he would track back, be eager for the ball, whip in a cracking cross, create something from nothing or whip in a nifty free kick.
Last season I would have said tracking back for more then 20% of the time. But:-
1: Be eager for the ball, yes to an extent he would want demand it and get it in poorer positions then other players were in. He seemed to want to do it all and didn't realise we were a team that included Ash, not Ash and 10 others at times.
2: Whip in a cracking cross, well only when he decided to play on the wing and didn't decide to take on the same man more then once, and even then cracking was very blue moonish.
3: Create something from nothing, more blue moonish then the cracking cross.
4: Whip in a nifty freekick. Yes, when he cleared the wall and managed to not hit row Z. He definitely took enough of them that it was starting to fall into monkeys, typewriters, Shakespeare country on scoring. And I notice you haven't mentioned his corner taking at all. I don't blame you.
It is no surprise that Fergie is playing Ash wide left with a slight license to roam as it is his best position and he can't play second striker as effectively. I also agree with others that with better players around him, he will play better due to the extras space available.
I also agree with LP that his earlier times with us were some of his best times but would argue it started to go wrong from the time he was sent off against Sunderland and was fined publicly by MON. Also throwing in a bit of Barry going who could be guaranteed to hit Ash with a fine ball on the break when Custard Pants was playing for us.
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Funnily enough he is playing wide for manu and looks fantastic... Can you see that Mr Houlier?
I might be mistaken but didn;t Young always bang on about his best position being a free role?
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Sometimes, when people talk about Ashley Young, I think they're talking about an entirely different player.
How can anyone accuse him of lack of effort last season? You can accuse him of a few things, but lack of effort is the last thing I'd ever throw at him
Agreed.
Spot on. Young ran his nuts off for Villa in every game. people who claim any different must have been watching Villa with blindfolds on.
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What is the issue with a player arguing with the ref? He was our captain, they are allowed to discuss things with the referee.
Should he just accept a decision against us? Wouldn't we do the same?
He won us points. And alot of them. And we're no seeing the difference in class between him and N'Zogbia. Those who didn't like Ash must surely now see his class?
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Funnily enough he is playing wide for manu and looks fantastic... Can you see that Mr Houlier?
I might be mistaken but didn;t Young always bang on about his best position being a free role?
I think he did, but it isn't. He's much better playing wide left. It's also much easier for him to thrive playing in a team where the opposition doesn't so easily have the luxury of marking him with two players.
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The more time that passes, the worse his mistakes look.
It's called hindsight. A more nuanced view might take into account that he tried to have us playing decent football, that he experienced one of the worst injury crisis in living memory and that several players didn't actually spend the pre-season getting into shape. Some of his ideas were good, but his implementation was poor. But to say that Houllier was crap, or a disaster, is biased and one-sided, to say the least, and there is yet little indication that we are better off without him. (People might like to point to our improved defence, but we conceded 12 goals in the last 10 matches of the Houllier/GMac period, which is not much worse than 4 in 5 matches if you factor in the turgid performances and the quality of the opposition so far this season.)
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Houllier was a walking talking disaster turning a Top 6 club into relegation fodder at one point with his side kick McDuff (very good coach?) where? This is in a season where only Cit-eh and Albyion really improved on the previous season.
And before those last 10 games? Conceding 1 at home to Wolves and scoring none. Remember that one? Sending a team out to lose v Cit-eh in the Cup. Is that biased?
I will wager with you that we will get more than 49 points this year and not lose as badly in the Cup with that disgraceful approach. Therefore we will be better off with a worse squad. The guy is arrogant beyond belief - he was brought in to qualify for World Cup with France, win the League with Liverpool and consolidate with Villa. Add Abject to the List of adjectives. Failure with a Big F
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Funnily enough he is playing wide for manu and looks fantastic... Can you see that Mr Houlier?
I might be mistaken but didn;t Young always bang on about his best position being a free role?
And Beckham used to bang on about wanting to play in the centre for Man Utd. Who do you think was right on that one too?
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I think Houllier tried to indulge Ash too much by letting him play where he (Young) wanted. Back on the wing and the bit more discipline involved in that, coupled with being surrounded by superior players, little wonder that Young has started his career at manure on fire.
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He won us points. And alot of them. And we're no seeing the difference in class between him and N'Zogbia. Those who didn't like Ash must surely now see his class?
There were a lot of people who said that he wouldn't amount to anything at ManYoo. That Nani and Valencia were better players and he'd be on the bench the whole time.
Well done him for proving them to be very wrong.
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What is the issue with a player arguing with the ref? He was our captain, they are allowed to discuss things with the referee.
Should he just accept a decision against us? Wouldn't we do the same?
He won us points. And alot of them. And we're no seeing the difference in class between him and N'Zogbia. Those who didn't like Ash must surely now see his class?
Your first point contradicts itself. The captain is someone who the ref should be able to work with. It doesnt give the captain the right to contest and argue with the ref just because he doesnt agree with a decision!!
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How many times did he mention Liverpool?
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Houllier was fucking useless and by that i'm not suggesting he was in a relationship with McAllister.From the moment he arrived I got the impression that he felt he was too good for Aston Villa and his antics at Anfield followed by the surrender in the FA cup confirmed my fears.Of his spell in charge, well done for signing Bent, that's about it.The theory about the style of play being better is one I can't agree with either as some of the performances I witnessed under Houllier were amongst the worst i've seen in the 20 odd years i've followed the club.
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Houllier was fucking useless and by that i'm not suggesting he was in a relationship with McAllister.From the moment he arrived I got the impression that he felt he was too good for Aston Villa and his antics at Anfield followed by the surrender in the FA cup confirmed my fears.Of his spell in charge, well done for signing Bent, that's about it.The theory about the style of play being better is one I can't agree with either as some of the performances I witnessed under Houllier were amongst the worst i've seen in the 20 odd years i've followed the club.
Have to agree
Watching Him and Mcallister standing on the touchline against Sunderland not having a clue was pitiful
Almost as pitiful as us appointing him in the first place
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Huge mistake appointing mcallister who was a failure at leeds and coventry in the role, if phil thompson had come in it mat have been different but although ged tried to improve the style his behaviour at anfield coupled with the team selection at man city was unacceptable-a wasted and dreadful year in many ways.
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The more time that passes, the worse his mistakes look.
It's called hindsight. A more nuanced view might take into account that he tried to have us playing decent football, that he experienced one of the worst injury crisis in living memory and that several players didn't actually spend the pre-season getting into shape. Some of his ideas were good, but his implementation was poor. But to say that Houllier was crap, or a disaster, is biased and one-sided, to say the least, and there is yet little indication that we are better off without him. (People might like to point to our improved defence, but we conceded 12 goals in the last 10 matches of the Houllier/GMac period, which is not much worse than 4 in 5 matches if you factor in the turgid performances and the quality of the opposition so far this season.)
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Houllier was a walking talking disaster turning a Top 6 club into relegation fodder at one point with his side kick McDuff (very good coach?) where? This is in a season where only Cit-eh and Albyion really improved on the previous season.
And before those last 10 games? Conceding 1 at home to Wolves and scoring none. Remember that one? Sending a team out to lose v Cit-eh in the Cup. Is that biased?
I will wager with you that we will get more than 49 points this year and not lose as badly in the Cup with that disgraceful approach. Therefore we will be better off with a worse squad. The guy is arrogant beyond belief - he was brought in to qualify for World Cup with France, win the League with Liverpool and consolidate with Villa. Add Abject to the List of adjectives. Failure with a Big F
Not entirely sure what you mean by "at one point". Doesn't that suggest that we didn't remain that way? Didn't we have something like the 5th best PL record after Christmas? Surely that suggests that after a poor/indifferent start we ended the season going in the right direction. In fact aren't we on something like a 12 game (unspectacular I grant you) unbeaten run in the PL? If he was such a failure why was the quality of our football improving, and why didn't the players just throw in the towel and sent us down?
If Houllier's health had stayed together, and we had the money to back him, there would have been a lot of change at the club over the summer. Lots of players would have gone, including Gabby it seems. It doesn't mean that the players and coaches that we would have brought wouldn't have made us stronger given his contacts in the game.
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Well I enjoyed the end of last season alot more than I am the beginning of this season.
Is this because of the players that have left? Or is it because of the manager?
Most likely abit of both, but I'd swap Houllier for Mcleish everyday if he was healthy enough.
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I'd swap Houllier for Mcleish everyday if he was healthy enough.
So would I.
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Ditto. Houllier had at least got a plan and some sort of footballing ideology.
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Ditto. Houllier had at least got a plan and some sort of footballing ideology.
Agreed. I'm not sure if either Houllier or McLeish are within the upper echelons of football managers, but allthough his implementation was poor at least Houllier seemed to have an idea of what he was trying to do. So far I'm not sure if that is the case with McLeish, though I hope he proves me wrong.
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Ditto. Houllier had at least got a plan and some sort of footballing ideology.
Agreed. I'm not sure if either Houllier or McLeish are within the upper echelons of football managers, but allthough his implementation was poor at least Houllier seemed to have an idea of what he was trying to do. So far I'm not sure if that is the case with McLeish, though I hope he proves me wrong.
Couldn't agree more.
My hope is that the McLeish appointment reflects nothing more than a 'batten down the hatches' move by the board until the club's (not to mention Lerner's) finances stabilise.
We tried, failed and (I hope) are re-grouping for a different approach.
As a complete aside, I wonder if David Dein fancies a return to involvement in club football.
I am sure Paul Faulkner is a very competent person. All the same, the apparent lack of football knowledge at executive level is probably a bigger issue to us right now than who is/was a crap manager and not worthy of the title.
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Sometimes, when people talk about Ashley Young, I think they're talking about an entirely different player.
How can anyone accuse him of lack of effort last season? You can accuse him of a few things, but lack of effort is the last thing I'd ever throw at him
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The more time that passes, the worse his mistakes look.
It's called hindsight. A more nuanced view might take into account that he tried to have us playing decent football, that he experienced one of the worst injury crisis in living memory and that several players didn't actually spend the pre-season getting into shape. Some of his ideas were good, but his implementation was poor. But to say that Houllier was crap, or a disaster, is biased and one-sided, to say the least, and there is yet little indication that we are better off without him. (People might like to point to our improved defence, but we conceded 12 goals in the last 10 matches of the Houllier/GMac period, which is not much worse than 4 in 5 matches if you factor in the turgid performances and the quality of the opposition so far this season.)
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Houllier was a walking talking disaster turning a Top 6 club into relegation fodder at one point with his side kick McDuff (very good coach?) where? This is in a season where only Cit-eh and Albyion really improved on the previous season.
And before those last 10 games? Conceding 1 at home to Wolves and scoring none. Remember that one? Sending a team out to lose v Cit-eh in the Cup. Is that biased?
I will wager with you that we will get more than 49 points this year and not lose as badly in the Cup with that disgraceful approach. Therefore we will be better off with a worse squad. The guy is arrogant beyond belief - he was brought in to qualify for World Cup with France, win the League with Liverpool and consolidate with Villa. Add Abject to the List of adjectives. Failure with a Big F
Couldnt agree more Rob Bridge.
Claiming that saying Houllier was a disaster in hidsight is b******s! I and many others knew he would be an awful appointment from the get go. It just got worse and worse, like a very slow car crash.
I am happier having McLeish (who I am not happy with). At least he has restored some of the qualities we had under MON and belief in a lot of the players. Has he got the imagination to take it any further? I doubt it. But I dont think we will be worrying about relegation this year as long as Bent gets scoring and stays fit and Gabby continues his resurgence.
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The more time that passes, the worse his mistakes look.
It's called hindsight. A more nuanced view might take into account that he tried to have us playing decent football, that he experienced one of the worst injury crisis in living memory and that several players didn't actually spend the pre-season getting into shape. Some of his ideas were good, but his implementation was poor. But to say that Houllier was crap, or a disaster, is biased and one-sided, to say the least, and there is yet little indication that we are better off without him. (People might like to point to our improved defence, but we conceded 12 goals in the last 10 matches of the Houllier/GMac period, which is not much worse than 4 in 5 matches if you factor in the turgid performances and the quality of the opposition so far this season.)
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Houllier was a walking talking disaster turning a Top 6 club into relegation fodder at one point with his side kick McDuff (very good coach?) where? This is in a season where only Cit-eh and Albyion really improved on the previous season.
And before those last 10 games? Conceding 1 at home to Wolves and scoring none. Remember that one? Sending a team out to lose v Cit-eh in the Cup. Is that biased?
I will wager with you that we will get more than 49 points this year and not lose as badly in the Cup with that disgraceful approach. Therefore we will be better off with a worse squad. The guy is arrogant beyond belief - he was brought in to qualify for World Cup with France, win the League with Liverpool and consolidate with Villa. Add Abject to the List of adjectives. Failure with a Big F
Couldnt agree more Rob Bridge.
Claiming that saying Houllier was a disaster in hidsight is b******s! I and many others knew he would be an awful appointment from the get go. It just got worse and worse, like a very slow car crash.
I am happier having McLeish (who I am not happy with). At least he has restored some of the qualities we had under MON and belief in a lot of the players.
Funny you should mention MON, as Houllier achieved just one less point at Villa Park than MON did in what many refer to as his 'bestest season', despite coming in as a new manager, missing out on the summer transfer windsow, the player fall-outs and injury crisis.
As for Ashley Young, he was a loose cannon for us last season, a shadow of the player he'd previously been. Ferguson has brought some discipline to his game and when combined with the 100% effort and talent he has, he's back to being a great player.
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How was Houllier a disaster ? We didn't get relegated, the club is still in business.
There were a number of very poor games, some duff decisions etc. etc. But from what I have seen so far this season I won't be putting too much money on us beating Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal as well as getting by far the better of a draw with ManU. It wasn't all bad by a long chalk.
We need a fair few more games under our belt under McLeish before it's time to compare Houllier's brief stint with what we have now.
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How was Houllier a disaster?
Well taking a side who'd finished 6th the previous season with the club's best ever points haul from a 38 game season into a relegation battle which lasted until May is my main gripe.His ability to fall out with a number of players, the Anfield love in, the FA Cup surrender.Turning up and telling us (O'Leary esque) that we were a mid table side despite three successive 6th place finishes.Fair enough there were some good results, but that has to be balanced up by mentioning such non performances as Wolves and Sunderland at home?
I wouldn't wish ill health on the man, but i'd be lying if I said i'm sad to see him out of our club.On par with McNeill for me.
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How was Houllier a disaster?
Well taking a side who'd finished 6th the previous season with the club's best ever points haul from a 38 game season into a relegation battle which lasted until May is my main gripe.His ability to fall out with a number of players, the Anfield love in, the FA Cup surrender.Turning up and telling us (O'Leary esque) that we were a mid table side despite three successive 6th place finishes.Fair enough there were some good results, but that has to be balanced up by mentioning such non performances as Wolves and Sunderland at home?
I wouldn't wish ill health on the man, but i'd be lying if I said i'm sad to see him out of our club.On par with McNeill for me.
Funny you should mentionzsunderland and wolves at home as these were exectly the fixtures that we used to get nothing in under O'Neill. Houllier had massive bade points last year but I'll always look back on it being yet again our missed opportunity with a foreign manager to really progress.
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How was Houllier a disaster?
Well taking a side who'd finished 6th the previous season with the club's best ever points haul from a 38 game season into a relegation battle which lasted until May is my main gripe.His ability to fall out with a number of players, the Anfield love in, the FA Cup surrender.Turning up and telling us (O'Leary esque) that we were a mid table side despite three successive 6th place finishes.Fair enough there were some good results, but that has to be balanced up by mentioning such non performances as Wolves and Sunderland at home?
I wouldn't wish ill health on the man, but i'd be lying if I said i'm sad to see him out of our club.On par with McNeill for me.
Houllier had massive bade points last year but I'll always look back on it being yet again our missed opportunity with a foreign manager to really progress.
I'm not so sure it was a missed opportunity as such. He would'nt have been able to carry on even if he wanted to.
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I think that is right Clampy. I've not read the preceding 3 pages but the part of the interview (or a recent interview) that the wider press has picked up on is that he is not fit enough to manage now and doubts he will ever manage full time again.
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The more time that passes, the worse his mistakes look.
It's called hindsight. A more nuanced view might take into account that he tried to have us playing decent football, that he experienced one of the worst injury crisis in living memory and that several players didn't actually spend the pre-season getting into shape. Some of his ideas were good, but his implementation was poor. But to say that Houllier was crap, or a disaster, is biased and one-sided, to say the least, and there is yet little indication that we are better off without him. (People might like to point to our improved defence, but we conceded 12 goals in the last 10 matches of the Houllier/GMac period, which is not much worse than 4 in 5 matches if you factor in the turgid performances and the quality of the opposition so far this season.)
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Houllier was a walking talking disaster turning a Top 6 club into relegation fodder at one point with his side kick McDuff (very good coach?) where? This is in a season where only Cit-eh and Albyion really improved on the previous season.
And before those last 10 games? Conceding 1 at home to Wolves and scoring none. Remember that one? Sending a team out to lose v Cit-eh in the Cup. Is that biased?
I will wager with you that we will get more than 49 points this year and not lose as badly in the Cup with that disgraceful approach. Therefore we will be better off with a worse squad. The guy is arrogant beyond belief - he was brought in to qualify for World Cup with France, win the League with Liverpool and consolidate with Villa. Add Abject to the List of adjectives. Failure with a Big F
Couldnt agree more Rob Bridge.
Claiming that saying Houllier was a disaster in hidsight is b******s! I and many others knew he would be an awful appointment from the get go. It just got worse and worse, like a very slow car crash.
I am happier having McLeish (who I am not happy with). At least he has restored some of the qualities we had under MON and belief in a lot of the players.
Funny you should mention MON, as Houllier achieved just one less point at Villa Park than MON did in what many refer to as his 'bestest season', despite coming in as a new manager, missing out on the summer transfer windsow, the player fall-outs and injury crisis.
As for Ashley Young, he was a loose cannon for us last season, a shadow of the player he'd previously been. Ferguson has brought some discipline to his game and when combined with the 100% effort and talent he has, he's back to being a great player.
We actually finished 16 points worse off...that was with him being able to sign a 20+ million striker.
I really never bought into the "he is trying to make us play better football" bulls***. At times it looked good, but only against rubbish teams like Blackburn.
There was just so many things wrong with him, I dont know where to start.