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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: badluckeric(gates) on September 04, 2011, 10:41:54 AM
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Thought he looked decent bombing on down the wing. What did you all think?
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Nice to see Baros had a couple of shocking misses, some things never change.
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I watched the game mainly for Alan and hoping Barry will come on. First half was very difficult for the Scots and were lucky to be 1-0 up. However Alan made a superb tackle inside the box to deny CR a goal opportunity. They were much better in the second half and had more of the ball. This is when Hutton was more effective. Made some very good runs down the right and put in some telling crosses. Better than anything we have had from any of our fullbacks in the recent past. However when Czech Republic pressed in the second half they mainly attacked down their left and Hutton and his colleagues were exposed. For their equaliser he was a little guilty of watching the ball and no one picked up Kadlec who made a run in to the left edge of the box.
It was a tough test against some very good attacking players and and I thought he did very well.
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He was OK.
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by getting hutton in, do people think with that added height we might not have to play as much in the starting 11
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above post should read by getting hutton in do peole think heskey should not be in starting 11, meaning have a play maker of ireland or bannon in his postion behind the striker
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
I agree.
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That is the correct answer.
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I only watched the highlights , but i thought defensively he was a nightmare.Did'nt track back, did'nt mark his man, lethargic, has a bit of pace, but lacked awareness for me.Can only improve hopefully.
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totally agree, but if we have 2 defensive midfielders then he will give us extra options on rhs
him and albrighton cannot plat together as both defensively poor
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
He should certainly be in ahead of Ireland, why do people keep holding this torch for him when he's done nothing to justify it?
I'd like to see Bannan playing but can understand if they don't think he's quite ready yet to deal with the pressure of being a regular starter. You only have to look at the example of Albrighton to see what can happen to young players if they're not carefully managed.
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I watched the game and thought Hutton did well. He made a few good tackles and attacked well. On the negative side I thought his crossing was a bit erratic. All in all it was a decent enough performance from him especially considering the fact he hasn't played since March. He'll play again in midweek and hopefully that will increase his match fitness further ahead of Everton.
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Hutton did very well but did nothing that Luke Young wouldn't have. Overall he is a good replacement.
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Hutton did very well but did nothing that Luke Young wouldn't have. Overall he is a good replacement.
It seems pretty clear that the changes in the squad are less about bringing better players in and more about bringing cheaper (ie on lower wages) players in. Spurs have historically been very good at keeping their wages down - a lower wage bill than us despite being in the Champions League last year - so it's no surprise we're shopping there for replacements.
Hutton may be no better than Young but I bet his wages are less.
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
He should certainly be in ahead of Ireland, why do people keep holding this torch for him when he's done nothing to justify it?
Habib Beye has done nothing to justify any adulation, I would still prefer him at right-back over Heskey.
The reason Ireland should play attacking midfield over Heskey is that he is an attacking midfielder.
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
He should certainly be in ahead of Ireland, why do people keep holding this torch for him when he's done nothing to justify it?
Habib Beye has done nothing to justify any adulation, I would still prefer him at right-back over Heskey.
The reason Ireland should play attacking midfield over Heskey is that he is an attacking midfielder.
Ah, the old players can only play in one position argument. Let's kick Gabby out too while we're at it.
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
He should certainly be in ahead of Ireland, why do people keep holding this torch for him when he's done nothing to justify it?
Habib Beye has done nothing to justify any adulation, I would still prefer him at right-back over Heskey.
The reason Ireland should play attacking midfield over Heskey is that he is an attacking midfielder.
Ah, the old players can only play in one position argument. Let's kick Gabby out too while we're at it.
I don't think that players can only play in one position. I think Gabby's doing a smashing job on the wing.
Heskey isn't doing a smashing job in attacking midfield therefore he shouldn't be there.
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Hutton did very well but did nothing that Luke Young wouldn't have. Overall he is a good replacement.
It seems pretty clear that the changes in the squad are less about bringing better players in and more about bringing cheaper (ie on lower wages) players in. Spurs have historically been very good at keeping their wages down - a lower wage bill than us despite being in the Champions League last year - so it's no surprise we're shopping there for replacements.
Hutton may be no better than Young but I bet his wages are less.
He's also 6 years younger. Luke wasn't forced out, he wanted to go and he isn't good enough to try to force him not to.
Have you got the figures to hand to back up your assertion that last season Spurs had a lower wage bill than us?
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
He should certainly be in ahead of Ireland, why do people keep holding this torch for him when he's done nothing to justify it?
Habib Beye has done nothing to justify any adulation, I would still prefer him at right-back over Heskey.
The reason Ireland should play attacking midfield over Heskey is that he is an attacking midfielder.
Ah, the old players can only play in one position argument. Let's kick Gabby out too while we're at it.
I don't think that players can only play in one position. I think Gabby's doing a smashing job on the wing.
Heskey isn't doing a smashing job in attacking midfield therefore he shouldn't be there.
So perhaps we should sign somebody to play there instead of him.
Ireland is a flake, he needs to prove that he can be trusted to play there before he's allowed to start league games.
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
He should certainly be in ahead of Ireland, why do people keep holding this torch for him when he's done nothing to justify it?
Habib Beye has done nothing to justify any adulation, I would still prefer him at right-back over Heskey.
The reason Ireland should play attacking midfield over Heskey is that he is an attacking midfielder.
Ah, the old players can only play in one position argument. Let's kick Gabby out too while we're at it.
I don't think that players can only play in one position. I think Gabby's doing a smashing job on the wing.
Heskey isn't doing a smashing job in attacking midfield therefore he shouldn't be there.
So perhaps we should sign somebody to play there instead of him.
Or we could just play Bannan there instead if we can't afford to sign someone to play the position properly.
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As I said earlier the example of Marc Albrighton shows the danger of expecting too much, too young. I think Bannan is a cracking player and have very high hopes for him but he needs to be able to develop without undue pressure on him. I hope and expect him to get plenty of time on the pitch this season but this time next year I don't want us to be talking about him in the terms that Marc is now.
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Can I add to the Hutton/Young debate by saying I thought it refreshing to see Chris Herd willing to go to the byline and at least press forward from right back, something Luke wasn't capable of.
Hopefully Hutton can give us something more in that sense.
I also think Irish Phil makes a good point on the extra height not just Hutton, but also Jenas will give us when defending. It might not be what people want to hear regarding Heskey defending, but when you have a relatively small side at this level, shipping set pieces can undue any good work you do in the rest of game, and the number of corners and free kicks Heskey nods away is substantial.
Hopefully this can now be resolved, and Bannan could be the one to profit. I hope he is, anyway, because he's a bloody star.
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As I said earlier the example of Marc Albrighton shows the danger of expecting too much, too young. I think Bannan is a cracking player and have very high hopes for him but he needs to be able to develop without undue pressure on him. I hope and expect him to get plenty of time on the pitch this season but this time next year I don't want us to be talking about him in the terms that Marc is now.
This emphasis on our young players at Villa started under Doug. It seemed a easy get out clause to say we had lots of potential coming through the ranks, rather than splashing the cash. This I think has sank into the psyche of the club and fans, that we have a wealth of superstars in the making.
Who have we produced in say the last 10 years who has actually set the world alight or been ultra consistent so they have stayed in the first team for several seasons?
We put so much store in them, that as soon as Albrighton and Bannon etc touch the ball, we expect miracles.
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
He should certainly be in ahead of Ireland, why do people keep holding this torch for him when he's done nothing to justify it?
Habib Beye has done nothing to justify any adulation, I would still prefer him at right-back over Heskey.
The reason Ireland should play attacking midfield over Heskey is that he is an attacking midfielder.
Ah, the old players can only play in one position argument. Let's kick Gabby out too while we're at it.
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
He should certainly be in ahead of Ireland, why do people keep holding this torch for him when he's done nothing to justify it?
Habib Beye has done nothing to justify any adulation, I would still prefer him at right-back over Heskey.
The reason Ireland should play attacking midfield over Heskey is that he is an attacking midfielder.
Ah, the old players can only play in one position argument. Let's kick Gabby out too while we're at it.
Strange that, the games I've been to I've seen Gabby playing as the lone striker, joint striker, left wing, right wing, getting back into midfield area's and doing some great defending such as the goal line clearance he did v the noses and Ridgewell's header, then going all the way up the other end and scoring the winner for us within seconds.
In fact I'm trying to think of another player at Villa with that kind of dexterity to his game.
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Hutton did very well but did nothing that Luke Young wouldn't have. Overall he is a good replacement.
It seems pretty clear that the changes in the squad are less about bringing better players in and more about bringing cheaper (ie on lower wages) players in. Spurs have historically been very good at keeping their wages down - a lower wage bill than us despite being in the Champions League last year - so it's no surprise we're shopping there for replacements.
Hutton may be no better than Young but I bet his wages are less.
He's also 6 years younger. Luke wasn't forced out, he wanted to go and he isn't good enough to try to force him not to.
Have you got the figures to hand to back up your assertion that last season Spurs had a lower wage bill than us?
Not an assertion - fact.
Villa wages 2009/10 - £80m
Spurs wages 2009/10 - £67m
Details here - http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/2011-06-10/premier-league-football-clubs-wage-totals-revealed-where-does-your-club-rank?p=13
And as for Luke not being forced out - this is at least the 2nd bid we've accepted for him. We tried to sell him to Liverpool but they wouldn't pay him the same wages we did so he turned them down.
It's not a dig at Luke Young - I think he's a good, solid player, but the strategy of shifting MON's signings who were all bought in on silly contracts is pretty obvious now and it's taking priority over improving the squad.
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Am I the only one that thinks Heskey's played well this season? Ok against Fulham, very good against Blackburn and pretty good against Wolves before tiring... he should've been taken off then.
He's not really playing attacking midfielder he is putting himself about all over the place which is why he was tired, understandable considering his age. He should certainly be in well ahead of Ireland. If Ireland plays well against Bolton in the League Cup and in the reserves give him a chance... but let him earn it. Don't just pick him on the basis he was good for a different team five years ago. Beye should be in and Pires should be re-signed on that basis.
If Heskey is dropped, and I don't think he will be just yet, Bannan should be the replacement.
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The problem with Heskey isnt with what he does, the problem is what he doesnt or cant do. His hold up play, small passes, flick ons and defensive headers are all well and good but when combined with his falling over and missed goal scoring oppprtunities, his limited playing style actually stifles creativity and slows down our attacking moves. He cant cross, cant beat a man, cant pick a pass and cant shoot...replace him with someone who can do all of those including the things that he can do then we should be a greater threat going forward. When the argument and justification for him playing is largely based on "he's useful at defending set pieces and corners" then thats taking clutching at straws and positive spin to the next level.
I agree however that he has done ok in the games so far but other than Bannan there hasnt been many options considering Ireland hasnt come close to justifying a first team place yet let alone his ridiculous salary. Hopefully JJ will prove to be a good signing, do the job Heskey does plus more, and improve both our creativity and attacking threat.
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Not when we have a dreadful record of defending set pieces against our next opponents.
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...so you're justifying we play Heskey against Everton because we have a dreadful record of defending set pieces against them? 'Nuff said! :D
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Am I the only one that thinks Heskey's played well this season? Ok against Fulham, very good against Blackburn and pretty good against Wolves before tiring... he should've been taken off then.
He's not really playing attacking midfielder he is putting himself about all over the place which is why he was tired, understandable considering his age. He should certainly be in well ahead of Ireland. If Ireland plays well against Bolton in the League Cup and in the reserves give him a chance... but let him earn it.
If Heskey is dropped, and I don't think he will be just yet, Bannan should be the replacement.
No you're not the only one. I can't see a lot wrong with what Heskey is doing and a lot right, for the team as a whole. If anybody is going to keep him out of the team, at least in the first 60 minutes, they'd better have the same work ethic and at least the same impact, if not better, all over the pitch.
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Am I the only one that thinks Heskey's played well this season? Ok against Fulham, very good against Blackburn and pretty good against Wolves before tiring... he should've been taken off then.
He's not really playing attacking midfielder he is putting himself about all over the place which is why he was tired, understandable considering his age. He should certainly be in well ahead of Ireland. If Ireland plays well against Bolton in the League Cup and in the reserves give him a chance... but let him earn it.
If Heskey is dropped, and I don't think he will be just yet, Bannan should be the replacement.
No you're not the only one. I can't see a lot wrong with what Heskey is doing and a lot right, for the team as a whole. If anybody is going to keep him out of the team, at least in the first 60 minutes, they'd better have the same work ethic and at least the same impact, if not better, all over the pitch.
I have to agree with you. There's no question Heskey is out there busting his ass, even though he may not be the most effective player on the pitch. His seniority and ability to bully opposing teams is a unique trait that not many established players have in the Prem. I can't complain about his work rate or appearances thus far.
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The problem with dismissing the notion that picking a player for the value he adds to your defensive set up in an attacking area is flawed IMO. Simple truth is we moaned, and moaned, and moaned last season about the amount we conceded from set plays. Now we have conceded 1 in 3 games, against sides who are the type of side you might come under some pressure from a set piece or 2. Heskey has been an important defensive figure in that, he attacks the ball better in our box than he does theirs and positions himself well.
Going forward he is not going to be a master creator though. Gabby and NZogbia are automatics on form for the wider areas so Heskey only fits behind Bent, which limits our creativity. It then either needs to come from Delph or Petrov, or wide, and the wide players we have now are more direct than creative. I would love to see Bannan in that role, and he would be creative there I am sure, but at the moment until confident in the back 4 not letting in a goals every time we concede a corner, I would stick with Emile there, and tell NZogbia, Delph, Petrov and Gabby they have to look for Bents runs, and Emile that he has to get forward and shoot. Especially against a side like Everton.
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Heskey shouldn't be in the starting XI ahead of Ireland or Bannan anyway.
Signing Hutton doesn't impact on that at all.
He should certainly be in ahead of Ireland, why do people keep holding this torch for him when he's done nothing to justify it?
Habib Beye has done nothing to justify any adulation, I would still prefer him at right-back over Heskey.
The reason Ireland should play attacking midfield over Heskey is that he is an attacking midfielder.
And a footballer.
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Heskey hasn't let us down this season.
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Hutton will be no worse than Young, AM will not stand for a lack of tracking back and this may well improve as he gains match fitness. A good signing imo.
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Heskey hasn't let us down this season.
A couple of times in the last game he received the ball on the turn in good attacking positions and chose to play the ball back, wasting the opportunity.
He hasn't let us down because he hasn't played below his ability. The problem is his ability in the first place.
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I think he'll be fine for us once he gets up to speed. Remember he was Spurs's RB in the San Siro when they kept a clean sheet against Meeelan so he's not going to gift the opposition a goal a game.
Not worried about the defence at all this season, just the attacking side! In fairness Hutton should be better at getting forward than Young.
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Am I the only one that thinks Heskey's played well this season? Ok against Fulham, very good against Blackburn and pretty good against Wolves before tiring... he should've been taken off then.
He's not really playing attacking midfielder he is putting himself about all over the place which is why he was tired, understandable considering his age. He should certainly be in well ahead of Ireland. If Ireland plays well against Bolton in the League Cup and in the reserves give him a chance... but let him earn it. Don't just pick him on the basis he was good for a different team five years ago. Beye should be in and Pires should be re-signed on that basis.
If Heskey is dropped, and I don't think he will be just yet, Bannan should be the replacement.
Pretty sure we generally score less goals when Heskey starts...Bent probably does aswell.....
Ireland shouldn't be starting but he should be coming on when we're drawing 0-0 at home to the likes of Wolves with 20 minutes left.
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Adam, not going to quote all that but that's 09/10 and we're now in11/12 so those figures are the season before last not the one just gone as you asserted.
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Adam, not going to quote all that but that's 09/10 and we're now in11/12 so those figures are the season before last not the one just gone as you asserted.
Chris - given the 2010/11 season finished just over 3 months ago how many clubs do you think have released their financial results for that period? The most recent stats available show our wage bill to be 20% higher than Spurs in the season they qualified for the Champions League. I'd guess our wages didn't drop too much last year and I doubt Spurs' wages went up that much more.
So back to my point, it's not surprise we're buying from Spurs because they handle their wages much better than we do.
What point were you making exactly? Or were you trying to pick an argument for the sake of it?
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My point is that you said that they had a lower wage bill " last season", I don't believe they did and the figures you posted are out of date.
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My point is that you said that they had a lower wage bill " last season", I don't believe they did and the figures you posted are out of date.
If you don't believe they did you're a bigger idiot than you come across generally. And how 'out of date' can the most recent of anything be?!
Picking an argument for the sake of it...
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My point is that you said that they had a lower wage bill " last season", I don't believe they did and the figures you posted are out of date.
If you don't believe they did you're a bigger idiot than you come across generally. And how 'out of date' can the most recent of anything be?!
Picking an argument for the sake of it...
I hope a moderator takes note of your gratuitous insult. There really was no need for it, you don't react very well to being disagreed with, do you?
You made a claim that their wage bill was lower "last season" and then used figures from the season before as evidence.
I believe that due to the players we sold or let go and the players they signed and gave improved contracts to that their wage bill last season was higher than ours. I think the fact that they've been forced to sell so many players this summer shows that their wage bill was also causing them difficulties dispute the increased revenue that a CL run and higher prices gave them.
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Indeed. We can discuss Spurs' wage bill for the millionth time without resorting to petty insults if you please.
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Been a long time since we've talked about Spurs' wage bill and compared it to ours. Maybe we start a new specific thread for it?
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My point is that you said that they had a lower wage bill " last season", I don't believe they did and the figures you posted are out of date.
If you don't believe they did you're a bigger idiot than you come across generally. And how 'out of date' can the most recent of anything be?!
Picking an argument for the sake of it...
I hope a moderator takes note of your gratuitous insult. There really was no need for it, you don't react very well to being disagreed with, do you?
You made a claim that their wage bill was lower "last season" and then used figures from the season before as evidence.
I believe that due to the players we sold or let go and the players they signed and gave improved contracts to that their wage bill last season was higher than ours. I think the fact that they've been forced to sell so many players this summer shows that their wage bill was also causing them difficulties dispute the increased revenue that a CL run and higher prices gave them.
I've seen a million times worse on here than being called an idiot.
You thought you were being clever asking for the evidence and now it's there you're picking arguments for the sake of it.
If you genuinely think there was a £13m swing in wages between us and Spurs when the only player of note we shipped out was Milner, but at the same time we brought in Ireland and Bent while Spurs bought in Gallas and Van Der Vaart, even with the bonuses from the Champions League run, then you're barking. In reality you realise you're way off and are attempting a tenuous "well you said last season but the exact figures you have aren't quite last season are they" argument.
So, again, back to the point - Hutton is no better than Young (albeit younger) but I bet he's a lot cheaper because his Spurs contract will have been much more sensible than the ones we were dishing out when we signed Young.
Part of Spurs' much better financial management is down to the fact they're listed and therefore have shareholders to appease, something traditionally seen as a bad thing for football clubs. Another reason (arguably much bigger and probably linked in to the first point) is the presence of Daniel Levy.
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Indeed. We can discuss Spurs' wage bill for the millionth time without resorting to petty insults if you please.
Apparently Chris hasn't seen all those threads though because he insists our wage bill's lower.
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Spurs have a much lower wage bill than us ;D
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Look back to the initial exchange. I asked you for evidence to back up your assertion and you were unable to do because it hasn't been published but still claimed it as a "fact". That is what I challenged.
Spurs might be better run than us but you're using flimsy evidence to try to sell an opinion as fact and then getting upset because somebody has the temerity to disagree.
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Look back to the initial exchange. I asked you for evidence to back up your assertion and you were unable to do because it hasn't been published but still claimed it as a "fact". That is what I challenged.
Spurs might be better run than us but you're using flimsy evidence to try to sell an opinion as fact and then getting upset because somebody has the temerity to disagree.
Flimsy evidence - lordy!
So what's your actual point relevant to the topic then?!
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Spurs have a very well publicised wage cap, and I believe only their top players get it. The rest are around 30-40k plus bonuses, which is why they were so Keane to get him gone as Robbie was one of the higher earners. Jenas and Hutton were around the 25-30 I think - Jenas had his extended but not on new terms after signing and Hutton was reportedly on significantly less money than Luke Young to join. The Spurs wage cap is something Arry does not love.
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Spurs have a very well publicised wage cap, and I believe only their top players get it. The rest are around 30-40k plus bonuses, which is why they were so Keane to get him gone as Robbie was one of the higher earners. Jenas and Hutton were around the 25-30 I think - Jenas had his extended but not on new terms after signing and Hutton was reportedly on significantly less money than Luke Young to join. The Spurs wage cap is something Arry does not love.
He wouldn't!
I'm pretty sure Portsmouth didn't have one and look what Arry did there!!!
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Look back to the initial exchange. I asked you for evidence to back up your assertion and you were unable to do because it hasn't been published but still claimed it as a "fact". That is what I challenged.
Spurs might be better run than us but you're using flimsy evidence to try to sell an opinion as fact and then getting upset because somebody has the temerity to disagree.
Flimsy evidence - lordy!
So what's your actual point relevant to the topic then?!
It was relevant to your post. You know very well that you've made a claim that you can't back up so have tried to deflect attention by trying to turn it into a personality issue.
As for only selling one payer "of note" surely that's contradicting your point that all of our players are paid too much.
With Hutton, again it's opinion. You're passing of your view that he's no better than Young as fact. Others think he has more to offer as he's far more attack minded and has replaced a player who no longer wanted to be here. If he's on lower wages then that's a bonus.
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Look back to the initial exchange. I asked you for evidence to back up your assertion and you were unable to do because it hasn't been published but still claimed it as a "fact". That is what I challenged.
Spurs might be better run than us but you're using flimsy evidence to try to sell an opinion as fact and then getting upset because somebody has the temerity to disagree.
Flimsy evidence - lordy!
So what's your actual point relevant to the topic then?!
It was relevant to your post. You know very well that you've made a claim that you can't back up so have tried to deflect attention by trying to turn it into a personality issue.
As for only selling one payer "of note" surely that's contradicting your point that all of our players are paid too much.
With Hutton, again it's opinion. You're passing of your view that he's no better than Young as fact. Others think he has more to offer as he's far more attack minded and has replaced a player who no longer wanted to be here. If he's on lower wages then that's a bonus.
The only fact I've given is that Spurs' wages are lower than ours. A 'claim' easily backed up by the latest factual evidence from audited financial information and simple common sense of what happened since then.
It's my opinion that Hutton is no better than Young. It's my expectation based on the above that he's paid less than Young was. It's my deduction based on all available evidence that the current transfer policy is more about shifting high earners off the wage bill than it is about improving the squad.
Happier with that?
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Jenas and Hutton were around the 25-30 I think - Jenas had his extended but not on new terms after signing
How on Earth do you know that?
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Sounds like hutton dressed as lahm
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Sounds like hutton dressed as lahm
Well done, that's only the second time you've posted that, and it's only about the 5th time that that shit excuse for a joke has been made in the last few days.
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If the only issue with replacing Young, after he decided to leave, was money we would have just promoted Lichaj or Herd. Wages are an issue but they are not the be all and end all.
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Sounds like hutton dressed as lahm
Well done, that's only the second time you've posted that, and it's only about the 5th time that that shit excuse for a joke has been made in the last few days.
Only the 5th? It seemed to pop up on every thread I read on deadline day.
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Sounds like hutton dressed as lahm
Well done, that's only the second time you've posted that, and it's only about the 5th time that that shit excuse for a joke has been made in the last few days.
Ah come on, first time you heard it inside you were laughing.
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Sounds like hutton dressed as lahm
Well done, that's only the second time you've posted that, and it's only about the 5th time that that shit excuse for a joke has been made in the last few days.
Obviously not much happening today. Would have thought "could we stop repeating jokes" would have suffice. Extreme moderating........on the edge.
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Another Villa Scot? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/14798310.stm)
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I was pretty disappointed with Hutton's performance at the weekend. I thought he looked below par in the first half especially, but just hope that was an off day.
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Not in the side tonight then, although Bannan is. Odd.
Edit apparently has a groin injury. So that is Given, Bent and Hutton all with groin problems. Great.
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I think with Hutton it is a question of him not being 100%.
I think him and Bent will both be ready for Everton and for Given we will have to see if he gets through the game now unscathed.
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Not in the side tonight then, although Bannan is. Odd.
Edit apparently has a groin injury. So that is Given, Bent and Hutton all with groin problems. Great.
They must have all been looking at that picture of Jenas' missus.
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Not in the side tonight then, although Bannan is. Odd.
Edit apparently has a groin injury. So that is Given, Bent and Hutton all with groin problems. Great.
Given had a very good game for Ireland against Russia in the match just finished.
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Jenas and Hutton were around the 25-30 I think - Jenas had his extended but not on new terms after signing
How on Earth do you know that?
I didn't think so.
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I heard a couple of weeks ago that both were moving to Villa Park on loans. Apparently Spurs were looking to sell Jenas, who was in his final year of contract, but Villa would not match their 5 million valuation. I assume we only wanted a loan deal anyway - try before you buy is prudent. As a result Spurs extended his contract on current terms by 12 months, but would still be looking for 5 million next summer.
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I heard a couple of weeks ago that both were moving to Villa Park on loans. Apparently Spurs were looking to sell Jenas, who was in his final year of contract, but Villa would not match their 5 million valuation. I assume we only wanted a loan deal anyway - try before you buy is prudent. As a result Spurs extended his contract on current terms by 12 months, but would still be looking for 5 million next summer.
Interesting. Do you know whether it is an "agreed" 5m option to buy or you suspect that the figure would be the same? Based on the wages quoted above and the fee he could be a very good/prudent buy. I am assuming he can get back to the form that got him into all those England squads.
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I heard a couple of weeks ago that both were moving to Villa Park on loans. Apparently Spurs were looking to sell Jenas, who was in his final year of contract, but Villa would not match their 5 million valuation. I assume we only wanted a loan deal anyway - try before you buy is prudent. As a result Spurs extended his contract on current terms by 12 months, but would still be looking for 5 million next summer.
Interesting. Do you know whether it is an "agreed" 5m option to buy or you suspect that the figure would be the same? Based on the wages quoted above and the fee he could be a very good/prudent buy. I am assuming he can get back to the form that got him into all those England squads.
Dante, I heard that Spurs were still hoping for 5m next summer but that we have not formally agreed to this.
As you say, if he gets back to his best form, which admittedly was a while ago, he can be a decent player for us. If that happens then I assume Spurs would expect a few other clubs to be sniffing round and push up the price.
The interesting point for me was that Spurs have loaned us Walker, Hutton and Jenas in 8 months and no longer see us as real rivals.
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We've bought Hutton and I think the loan move for Jenas probably suits us more than them as they like us are a team looking to move players on but not getting much interest in them. Surely a 'try before you buy' on a player like Jenas who lost his way a bit is a good move?
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I heard a couple of weeks ago that both were moving to Villa Park on loans. Apparently Spurs were looking to sell Jenas, who was in his final year of contract, but Villa would not match their 5 million valuation. I assume we only wanted a loan deal anyway - try before you buy is prudent. As a result Spurs extended his contract on current terms by 12 months, but would still be looking for 5 million next summer.
Interesting. Do you know whether it is an "agreed" 5m option to buy or you suspect that the figure would be the same? Based on the wages quoted above and the fee he could be a very good/prudent buy. I am assuming he can get back to the form that got him into all those England squads.
Dante, I heard that Spurs were still hoping for 5m next summer but that we have not formally agreed to this.
As you say, if he gets back to his best form, which admittedly was a while ago, he can be a decent player for us. If that happens then I assume Spurs would expect a few other clubs to be sniffing round and push up the price.
The interesting point for me was that Spurs have loaned us Walker, Hutton and Jenas in 8 months and no longer see us as real rivals.
Hutton was bought, not loaned... Spurs even when they were finishing below us thought they were above us, so nothing has really changed.
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I think it was Matt Kendrick who reported we have no agreed deal to buy Jenas at the end of the loan - its just a straight season-long loan.