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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Oscar Arce on September 02, 2011, 11:10:01 AM
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According to the BBC, McLeish was interested in signing Steven Davis from Rangers......
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/14754454.stm?
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MatT Kendrick was tweeting that we'll go back in for him in January.
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I hope not. Wasn't PL standard the first time we had him, average at best with Fulham, found his level in the SPL. Hitzlsperger would have been a better target and he's not good enough either. If wages are limited I'd rather not waste any on Davis.
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I hope not. Wasn't PL standard the first time we had him, average at best with Fulham, found his level in the SPL. Hitzlsperger would have been a better target and he's not good enough either. If wages are limited I'd rather not waste any on Davis.
Agreed another player we thought would be a world beater as he stood out in a shit team - not good enough i am afraid
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I don't watch Scottish football so don't now how he has progressed but to judge his suitability by the player that he was 5 years ago seems bizarre.
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Some harsh comments - I always thought he had promise when he played for us was just played out of position and wasn't given an extended run in the side to show his best form. From what I've seen recently he's moved up a gear, central to every Rangers attack and too good to rot in the SPL. A ready made replacement for Stan I'd say.
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Fuck me playing in the SPL is hardly La Liga is it?
More like division 1
Kris Boyd was the SPL's record ever scorer and he couldn't cut it a Boro
Chris Commons was largely shit at Derby and now he is a world beater for Celtic.
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No - just no. Not good enough first time round and nothing to suggest he's good enough now.
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I hope not. Wasn't PL standard the first time we had him, average at best with Fulham, found his level in the SPL. Hitzlsperger would have been a better target and he's not good enough either. If wages are limited I'd rather not waste any on Davis.
Agreed another player we thought would be a world beater as he stood out in a shit team - not good enough i am afraid
I honestly don't think he even stood out that much in that shit team of O'Leary's. Yes I know he was voted player of the year but he had little to beat and he never looked the part to me. Like Whittingham, some decent touches here and there but never saw anything in him that convinced me he was PL class, and haven't seen anything since to change that opinion, certainly not in his time with Fulham. Neither have any PL managers until AM (allegedly) and let's face it he's a bit desperate. Players like Gardner and Cahill went on to prove they are PL level, Davis didn't. Not sure where he is supposed to have suddenly found PL standard ability in the last 5 years but I doubt the SPL would have brought him up to scratch if he didn't have it the first place at the age of what 22?. The only attraction would have to be low wages.
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Fuck me playing in the SPL is hardly La Liga is it?
More like division 1
Kris Boyd was the SPL's record ever scorer and he couldn't cut it a Boro
Chris Commons was largely shit at Derby and now he is a world beater for Celtic.
Nail.
On.
Head.
How many players have successfully made the transition from the SPL to the EPL? The latest was that Goodwillie who Blackburn signed and was at our place the other week - he banged the goals in up there and having seen him play against us I reckon I've met better strikers on a Sunday morning.
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Not for me.
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I'm glad the general concensus is that he is simply not the sort of player we need, or even anywhere near.
He wasn't that good first time around in my opinion, he largely failed at Fulham and maybe he is Rangers star player, but that hardly says much, does it ?
I must say I am totally underwhelmed by McLeish's transfers so far, and his reported targets.
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I can't help thinking McLeish is setting us up to be the football version of Taroni's!
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Get the Moore brothers back as well. Desperation.
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If you want to get people flooding back to VP this isnt the signing to do it
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We didn't sign him, we don't seem to have made a serious attempt to sign him, and he wasn't for sale. Just a few things that seem to have been forgotten in the rush for the razor blades.
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I'm out.
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I don't watch Scottish football so don't now how he has progressed but to judge his suitability by the player that he was 5 years ago seems bizarre.
Spot on, Chris. Anyone who hasn`t seen the guy play for years is going to be surprised if we do snag him. He`s very good and better than most of the tat we`ve featured in C/M for the past four seasons.
Take a look at him now, and then comment.
Norm.
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We didn't sign him, we don't seem to have made a serious attempt to sign him, and he wasn't for sale. Just a few things that seem to have been forgotten in the rush for the razor blades.
But our manager enquired about signing him, which is the point being made.
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I don't watch Scottish football so don't now how he has progressed but to judge his suitability by the player that he was 5 years ago seems bizarre.
I watch a great deal of Scottish football and I'd say he has improved a great deal in a more attacking role. Don't get me wrong. He's not going to be the kind of player who is good enough to fire us into the top four but I think he would be an above average performer in an average PL team. Nothing exciting.
He's certainly one of the better players in the SPL.
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phuk me - should have put a Bid in for Saun Maloney while he was at it ;)
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I don't watch Scottish football so don't now how he has progressed but to judge his suitability by the player that he was 5 years ago seems bizarre.
Agreed , he may well be a much better player now than when he left villa-mcleish will know more than most and we wait and see.
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We didn't sign him, we don't seem to have made a serious attempt to sign him, and he wasn't for sale. Just a few things that seem to have been forgotten in the rush for the razor blades.
But our manager enquired about signing him, which is the point being made.
I'm sure our manager makes enquiries about lots of players.
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Fuck me playing in the SPL is hardly La Liga is it?
More like division 1
Kris Boyd was the SPL's record ever scorer and he couldn't cut it a Boro
Chris Commons was largely shit at Derby and now he is a world beater for Celtic.
Also in 2006 some has-been player who made his name in Scottish football set up both goals for some regional club called Barcelona in the final of some competiton known as the European Cup.
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Did Maloney get Player of The Year in Scotland? I think Carlos may have as well, I could be wrong.
How did both do in the EPL ?
The Scottish league is by no means comparable to the EPL .
It doesn't take alot to be better than most in the SPL. That doesn't mean you can cut it in the EPL.
Henrik Larsson is an exception to the rule. He had obvious class and didn't Man U want to get him back ?
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Fuck me playing in the SPL is hardly La Liga is it?
More like division 1
Kris Boyd was the SPL's record ever scorer and he couldn't cut it a Boro
Chris Commons was largely shit at Derby and now he is a world beater for Celtic.
Also in 2006 some has-been player who made his name in Scottish football set up both goals for some regional club called Barcelona in the final of some competiton known as the European Cup.
Exception to the rule?????????????????/
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Came unstuck for NI last night
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That was some hospital pass he played for Serbia's winner last night.
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We didn't sign him, we don't seem to have made a serious attempt to sign him, and he wasn't for sale. Just a few things that seem to have been forgotten in the rush for the razor blades.
All I've seen is people commenting on the quote by the manager that he expressed an interest in a player, and a quote from news source that we will go back in January for him, mostly saying they think it would be a bad idea. I don't know why you have to insinuate people are getting suicidal. The only overreaction seems to be in your post.
Re-reading the article in the link it's interesting AM seems to think the Scottish leagues are a valuable source of playing talent. What big names have moved down south recently and flourished? Hutton hasn't, Gordon hasn't, Maloney didn't, Boyd didn't. Adam is about the only successful one I can think of and I doubt many other PL clubs are focusing their scouting system north of the border. Again I can only assume the attraction is cheapness.
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James McArthur and James McArthy spring to mind. Both of them have done decently well at Wigan. Indeed, a few people on here have suggested we sign them from Wigan. I remember saying how both of them would be excellent signings for us when they moved south. Steven Fletcher has been pretty decent for Burnley and Wolves. That is three of the top of my head.
Following your line of argument I could argue that the EPL is pants because Charlie Adam has done well there when he was bloody useless at Rangers.
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I think it's commonly accepted the SPL is a lower standard than the EPL. However if you want to argue otherwise and fly in the face of public opinion based on the single example of Adam, go ahead.
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Quality costs money & we don't have any. So we need to accept that this is the level of signings we will see more of.
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I think it's commonly accepted the SPL is a lower standard than the EPL. However if you want to argue otherwise and fly in the face of public opinion based on the single example of Adam, go ahead.
I'm not planning on doing that because as you say it would be a bloody stupid and patently wrong argument.
There are good players to be signed in the SPL and to argue otherwise is almost as silly. Some may look like world beaters there and not work out in the EPL but equally others could be very good players at the higher level. It's the same with every other league. Even if you sign players from better leagues such as the Eredivisie or Ligue 1 you might find they won't handle the step up or the change in pace or nature of the game when stepping up to the Premiership. Some might argue we just had the same issue with Makoun. Hell, you could even have a player who is suited to the premier league who will struggle to adapt to SPL football and look useless there.
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The questions to ask are:
1. Will Ireland be with us mentally or not by Jan?
2. Will we have better MF players by Jan than Davis (I'm thinking about Bannan, Delph and Gardner, particularly)?
3. Can Davis step up to the P'ship pace again?
4. Will JJ have made the impact we all hope he can by Jan?
Hopefully we'll have demonstrated that we do not necessarily need to buy another MF by then.
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I think it's commonly accepted the SPL is a lower standard than the EPL. However if you want to argue otherwise and fly in the face of public opinion based on the single example of Adam, go ahead.
Arteta?
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I think it's commonly accepted the SPL is a lower standard than the EPL. However if you want to argue otherwise and fly in the face of public opinion based on the single example of Adam, go ahead.
Arteta?
Gary O'Connor?
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The arrogance on here at times is baffling.
Sure the EPL is a million times better than the SPL but to write
Steven Davis off because he plays there is madness.
Some on here need a reality check Davis has been best player in SPL
over last few seasons by some distance and he plays for a club where a draw is bordering on a crisis
to consitently perform as he does under that pressure speaks volumes for him.
I'd have him in starting 11 before Petrov, Ireland and a few others
A midfield of Albrighton, Davis, Jenas and N,Zogbia would be ideal
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Not sure about Davis, but I would much rather see Delph starting ahead of him.
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I think it's commonly accepted the SPL is a lower standard than the EPL. However if you want to argue otherwise and fly in the face of public opinion based on the single example of Adam, go ahead.
Arteta?
Well the point was Zogman presented a case for an argument based on one example of a player who was crap in the SPL and good in the EPL, ergo EPL is worse than SPL. Even he has said it's a spurious argument. So are you now saying Arteta was also crap in the SPL? He's been pretty mediocre in the EPL the last year or so. I'm really not sure what you are trying to prove.
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I'd prefer him to Jenas. And I don't mind Jenas.
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I think it's commonly accepted the SPL is a lower standard than the EPL. However if you want to argue otherwise and fly in the face of public opinion based on the single example of Adam, go ahead.
I'm not planning on doing that because as you say it would be a bloody stupid and patently wrong argument.
There are good players to be signed in the SPL and to argue otherwise is almost as silly. Some may look like world beaters there and not work out in the EPL but equally others could be very good players at the higher level. It's the same with every other league. Even if you sign players from better leagues such as the Eredivisie or Ligue 1 you might find they won't handle the step up or the change in pace or nature of the game when stepping up to the Premiership. Some might argue we just had the same issue with Makoun. Hell, you could even have a player who is suited to the premier league who will struggle to adapt to SPL football and look useless there.
"Silly"? Are you Chris Smith in disguise? There may be good players to be had in the SPL but as it's a poor standard I'd say it is probably not the most fertile hunting ground and in any case I just don't think Davis is one of them. Just a wild stab in the dark but if you look around the likes of Real Madrid, Milan, Inter, Bayern and other dominant european clubs I'd guess you'd find a fair smattering of players who began life in eredivisie or ligue 1. I doubt you'd find many who started or even featured in the SPL. Sure not all of them would adapt to the EPL but that's probably more about the faster and more physical playing style than any lack of ability. But if you want to class Shevchenko in the same bracket as Kris Boyd, fine. I know who I'd rather have in my team. Makoun was and is a good player who hasn't been given a chance by people who seem to expect Iniesta like performances before they accept any new signings. His performance at OT was one of the, if not the, best passing performances I've seen from a Villa player.
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Always rates him as a good midfielder. Would have him back. Only on rhe basis that we ship out Ireland.
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A midfield of Albrighton, Davis, Jenas and N,Zogbia would be ideal
And would be about as robust as a wet paper-towel.
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As has been already mentioned, he was our player of the year as a kid. Obviously that was in a lower premiership team with no money, but thats about where we are today unfortunately.