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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: alanclare on August 29, 2011, 07:06:38 AM
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I think that this is worth a new thread:
From today's Times: "Ashley Young. The England forward is making a mockery of those who questioned whether he could make the step up."
Make the step up from what?
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AY had too much freedom here, he is now in a more disciplined environment where his strengths can shine. By freedom, I don't mean tactically, but in terms of antics on the field. The constant flopping and always taking free kicks, being the only creative outlet, etc. I think it took away from his total game. At MUFC he does not need to think about those things and can just play his natural game.
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I think that this is worth a new thread:
From today's Times: "Ashley Young. The England forward is making a mockery of those who questioned whether he could make the step up."
Make the step up from what?
From an average team on the slide to a world class one, obviously.
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I don't see that as a sign of stepping up. He's playing with much better players, he hardly needs to step up. When he does it in the Champions League, I'll see that as a step up. I've no doubt he will though.
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I cant see what there is to be upset about, he's looking good in a team that will be competing to win all the competitions they enter. I wasn't sure he'd fit in but fair play to him.
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Where the hell were them 2 goals last year?
Only kidding. Fair play to Young, hes playing in one of the 2 best teams in the league and has been a shining light so far.
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Enjoyed that. Fed up with comments from star players making star moves describing it as the "challenge" of their lives.
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I think that this is worth a new thread:
From today's Times: "Ashley Young. The England forward is making a mockery of those who questioned whether he could make the step up."
Make the step up from what?
From the people on here who set themselves up as experts yet were unable to recognise how good a player Ashley Young is.
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There was no doubt that he was going to step up so to speak. He is playing with players of comparable ability now. And looks brilliant.
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Nice to see he got booked for moaning at the linesman about the Arsenal penalty, at least one aspect of his game remains the same
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I'm gutted he's not ours any more but he gave us 5 years and served us well, so I'm happy for the man, he's going to be on his toes for a long time with Giggs, Valencia, Nani and Park all vying for a place ahead of him.
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When i saw the title of thread i was hoping it would be a start of discussion on CURRENT villa younger players making step up.
I mean to discuss the potential of OUR players would be a nice idea.
So i was someone disappointed to see a thread regarding a now non villa player. With due respect its not worth a thread on a VILLA forum but that just my opinion
Yes regards ashley young making step up no problems there we can also talk about excellence of cleverly wellbeck jones da silva twins smallng and macheda.
However it may be interests of a villa forum to talk about potential of herd ,lichaj , fonz, delph, bannan, clarke, gardener, and what happening with weinmann. Hogg has now left and good luck to him. Be interesting to see other fans and supporters views on the villas young players stepping up
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Nice to see he got booked for moaning at the linesman about the Arsenal penalty, at least one aspect of his game remains the same
Even that has been re-inforced by being around people who do it much better and more incessantly than everyone else.
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Nice to see he got booked for moaning at the linesman about the Arsenal penalty, at least one aspect of his game remains the same
Even that has been re-inforced by being around people who do it much better and more incessantly than everyone else.
Lol... it is the one area of his game I expected to improve, they are coached to it at United aren't they?
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I don't see that as a sign of stepping up. He's playing with much better players, he hardly needs to step up. When he does it in the Champions League, I'll see that as a step up. I've no doubt he will though.
That's it. Last season he was running us and not concentrating on what he is good at. Number of times when we were desperate to get an equaliser he was taking free kicks from our own half. No one told him what to do or how to play with the team. Fergie has sorted that.
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Good luck to him I say. He looks brilliant. Would love it if he manages to do it in the very biggest games in a way he never really managed for villa.
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it was interesting to see his wayward passes and crossfield balls go to manure players because they actually moved for the ball...
thats one of the main differences between when he was here and there, and he will most certainly look better for it...
same with cleverley, who had half the goals and assists of albrighton last year from being at wigan, and now not looking out of place at manure..
playing with better players in a team that is set up properly instantly makes a player look better because it more than make up for individual inadequacies...
playing players in their correct positions is a good start...
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It reminds me a bit of when Steve McMahon left us back in the eighties. Players blossom with better players around them.
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He does look good playing for ManUre bunt he his a top player good look to him apart from when we play them I hope he has a stinker then.
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With the inevitabilty of him leaving, it was Man U I wanted him to go to. I could see Fergerson doing a similar job on him to what happened with Ronaldo - taking out the silly histrionics and developing the player. I am pleased to see how well he is doing.
The other half supporting PNE has always followed players who leave them for premiership clubs, and enjoyed seeing them do well. I think the most gutting thing about the situation with Ashley Young is my realisation that I may have hit that same mentality and what it tells me about our place in the over all scheme of things.
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The other half supporting PNE has always followed players who leave them for premiership clubs, and enjoyed seeing them do well. I think the most gutting thing about the situation with Ashley Young is my realisation that I may have hit that same mentality and what it tells me about our place in the over all scheme of things.
Wildly off topic, but talking of Preston, did you see their keeper score a goal this weekend?! Cleared it up pitch, it bounced and missed everybody, and into the net.
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In fairness to Ash he has looked fantastic for them so far, and good luck to him. He has made a step up to a better side.
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I don't see that as a sign of stepping up. He's playing with much better players, he hardly needs to step up. When he does it in the Champions League, I'll see that as a step up. I've no doubt he will though.
That's it. Last season he was running us and not concentrating on what he is good at. Number of times when we were desperate to get an equaliser he was taking free kicks from our own half. No one told him what to do or how to play with the team. Fergie has sorted that.
Agreed. It was obvious Ferguson was going to sort him out from the loose cannon he was for us the last season and a half, to the hard working, extremely talented team player we all know he can be.
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The other half supporting PNE has always followed players who leave them for premiership clubs, and enjoyed seeing them do well. I think the most gutting thing about the situation with Ashley Young is my realisation that I may have hit that same mentality and what it tells me about our place in the over all scheme of things.
Wildly off topic, but talking of Preston, did you see their keeper score a goal this weekend?! Cleared it up pitch, it bounced and missed everybody, and into the net.
In 1967, both Peter Shilton and Pat Jennings did the same.
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Who was that keeper who came forward for a corner on the last day of the season as his side desperately needed to score to stay in the league, and scored?
Jimmy something.
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Glass.
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Who was that keeper who came forward for a corner on the last day of the season as his side desperately needed to score to stay in the league, and scored?
Jimmy something.
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What a fantastic video! It should be in the thread about dwindling crowds, that's the kind of drama we've been missing! Those are the kind of moments where it doesn't matter whether it's for The Champions League, or as that was, to stay in the league, those are what football is all about.
Although to be fair, I think the Blackburn semi final had a touch of that with going 2 goals down, oh and that last minute equalizer at Everton - bringing us nicely back round to Mr Young!
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Who was that keeper who came forward for a corner on the last day of the season as his side desperately needed to score to stay in the league, and scored?
Jimmy something.
Didn't he only play about 5 games for them and they released him during the summer after that? I always thought that was a bit of a shoddy thank you for saving them!
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Watching MOTD2 last night it just looked very weird seeing him celebrating a goal in that strip.
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Who was that keeper who came forward for a corner on the last day of the season as his side desperately needed to score to stay in the league, and scored?
Jimmy something.
Didn't he only play about 5 games for them and they released him during the summer after that? I always thought that was a bit of a shoddy thank you for saving them!
He was on loan and they couldn't afford to keep him.
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Who was that keeper who came forward for a corner on the last day of the season as his side desperately needed to score to stay in the league, and scored?
Jimmy something.
Didn't he only play about 5 games for them and they released him during the summer after that? I always thought that was a bit of a shoddy thank you for saving them!
He was on loan and they couldn't afford to keep him.
I'll let them off then, I only remembered they let him go not long after.
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Good luck to him (AY). Step up - hurts dunnit. True though and he needed discipline, direction and good players around him.
He will look back on a good career progression Watford - Villa- United.
Annoyingly Downing is looking brilliant. Milner quite at home and Gareth excellent this season and holding his place.
Management? Better players around? Trophy guarantee? Who knows but new confidence/arrogance is for sure.
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Yep, AY and SD are both playing v well in their new teams. No point denying it: they've both moved to clubs that can swap their players around, use different formations and put individuals 'on their mettle' to perform every week with the threat of being replaced. Because they played every week for us and knew that there were no credible replacements for them, they didn't need to perform at the top of their game very week for us.
Barry has looked much better so far this season as well.
Fair play to all of them: if we cannot build the same level of competition for places in our squad we can expect other players to go onto other teams and 'step up'. It's the perennial problem that we'll have until we can offer regular European football (for the players) to bring in the £££ (for the required squad-investment).
No change for the next 2-3 years, I reckon.
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Isnt it all just down to money,If Barnsley FC suddenly aquired a trillionaire owner,then in 5 years they would be challenging for CL places.Chelski and Man City are up there...why? money. We are lucky to have Lerner, we could be in a Sheff Wed situation without him. Barry,Downing etc know they have to perform otherwise they would get dropped, they didnt have that pressure on them when at Villa.