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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: We Love You on August 14, 2011, 08:56:19 PM
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Heres the new ones we made today, should be on show against Blackburn then every game after that!
UTV heres our forum btw for more info, ill stick up more pics soon. http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/index.cgi
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Good work, they look superb. No. 2 in particular.
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Excellent. 3 and 4 of particular interest to us Mods/Soulies.
Good luck to you lot this season.
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Superb :)
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Nice one lads
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Excellent. 3 and 4 of particular interest to us Mods/Soulies.
Good luck to you lot this season.
Hey Percy, can us black metal fans have an unreadable logo ;-)
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All brilliant but really love P McG!
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They look excellent! Good luck! :)
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Excellent. 3 and 4 of particular interest to us Mods/Soulies.
Good luck to you lot this season.
Hey Percy, can us black metal fans have an unreadable logo ;-)
Closest (design) we have is AVFC is ACDC style.
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1,2 an 4 look excellent.
3 looks like something off a sectarian mural.
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What are "sticks"?
Genuine question.
I like the McGrath one, btw. Very good.
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Thanks tokyo but Northen Soul has always been big in Birmingham.
two sticks Paulie mate heres a example from Aberdeen
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/3282284237_bd2b1f7e39.jpg
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Without sounding stupid, what is brigada? I see it at the grounds alot....
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Without sounding stupid, what is brigada? I see it at the grounds alot....
An 'Ultra' group. Pretty much a copy of the Italian Ultra groups seen at most of their grounds and designed to get noise, chanting and colour back to football grounds.
About right WLY?
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Any chance you could stencil them Banksy-style and stick them up all over town?
Not that I'm encouraging anyone to break the law, of course, but it would look mint if one morning that Macca one was looking out off the side of Selfridges.
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Very good work indeed, lads, I think they all look great. But number two, that really is quite something.
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Without sounding stupid, what is brigada? I see it at the grounds alot....
An 'Ultra' group. Pretty much a copy of the Italian Ultra groups seen at most of their grounds and designed to get noise, chanting and colour back to football grounds.
About right WLY?
Hmm a lot more to it then that mate but you've got the basic, yeah a Ultra group which was indeed known to originate from Italy but now has spread all over, few groups in England small ones such as ourselves and Middlesbrough, Oxford, Accrington and a few more then the biggest and best being Crystal Palce (Holmsdale fanatics if you want to google 'em and see a few of there work)
Glad everyone likes our work :)
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None of the pictures are showing on my computer :-[ big shame as i really believe in whatyou guys are trying to achieve.
Matthius
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All look pretty cool. Where about will you be displaying these?
The McGrath one is fantastic.
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Can you make No. 2 into a screensaver?! My works PC is indeed of a suitable backdrop.
Ta
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Nice one lads, JJ we'll be lower holte L1, theese won't be a one off thing we're hoping to have theese (and of course make more) out every game.
Not sure why Matthius mate?
Only thing i can think of Cads is this mate - the original design.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2665/godbig.png
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Nice one lads, JJ we'll be lower holte L1, theese won't be a one off thing we're hoping to have theese (and of course make more) out every game.
Not sure why Matthius mate?
Only thing i can think of Cads is this mate - the original design.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2665/godbig.png
Ah, just the thing mate. Nice one. keep em coming!
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Nice one lads, JJ we'll be lower holte L1, theese won't be a one off thing we're hoping to have theese (and of course make more) out every game.
Not sure why Matthius mate?
Only thing i can think of Cads is this mate - the original design.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2665/godbig.png
Oh good some people to join in with L2's new found love of singing.
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Put number 3 on a tee shirt and I will buy one.
Never saw Brum as a big Northern Soul enclave - nor any kind of Soul hot spot really.
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The Northern Soul one is fantastic, well done.
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None of the pictures are showing on my computer :-[ big shame as i really believe in whatyou guys are trying to achieve.
Matthius
If you're viewing from work, your employer might have Websensed or otherwise blocked you out of imageshack where the pics are hosted.
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They would all be superb as T shirts as well
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Love the McGrath one. Can see an Ian Taylor one in my head in the same style with 'Tails - You lose' on it!!
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Nice one lads, JJ we'll be lower holte L1, theese won't be a one off thing we're hoping to have theese (and of course make more) out every game.
Not sure why Matthius mate?
Only thing i can think of Cads is this mate - the original design.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2665/godbig.png
We are happy for you to use our design and look forward to seeing it in the Holte from our Lower North Stand seats next week, but please credit the hours of work that went into our "original" design that you have reproduced.
(http://www.soccerprint.co.uk/images/God.png)
Cheers,
Soccerprint.
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cool as,the t shirts would sell a million.and raise funds for your outfit
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Thanks for your support - we will be having t shirts soon but will be Brigada ones, as of 'God T Shirts' soccerprint already has one selling so we'll leave that to them.
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How big are these things?
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They vary mate, all over 1.3m squared.
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Brilliant game tonight, we went full on for 90mins. Will stick some pics on soon. UTV!
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May be we'll see you guys on MOTD tonight with 3 goals scored at the Holte End?
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You should do mate, depending if it shows towards the corner but yeah you should do. Got quite a few photos just need to get 'em stuck up etc. The official photographer seemed to like taking a few of us aswell.
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How many of you have got tickets in the same area this season? Have you got some kind of arrangement with the club for both home and away games?
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Theres around 18 of us, there was a few season ticket holders around us who went for it with us for the whole 90 and a few in L2 aswell, so it should spread. Nothing with the club although we're in contact with Nicola Keye and she seems supportive, nothing arranged for away games but we'll be at most.
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Well I was sat in the Lower Holte and I never saw any of these sticks/banners or heard much in the way of singing to be honest.
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Where about? Can't see how. If you was L8 then maybe but i have mates in the North Stand that saw + at some points heard us..
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Theres around 18 of us, there was a few season ticket holders around us who went for it with us for the whole 90 and a few in L2 aswell, so it should spread. Nothing with the club although we're in contact with Nicola Keye and she seems supportive, nothing arranged for away games but we'll be at most.
Fairplay. Keep up the good work and hope it grows with the support of both club and fans.
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Where about? Can't see how. If you was L8 then maybe but i have mates in the North Stand that saw + at some points heard us..
L3
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Well were at the top of L1, very wierd how my mate to the trinity to our far left could hear us. Onwards and upwards.
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I could see you guys from the Upper Trinity, couldn't hear what you were singing mind, but you seemed to be having fun. Was hard to see the flags from there as well, but keep it up!
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Yep keep it up guys, we're in L2 and joined in with quite a few of your chants along with the noisy group behind us. Lower rights going to be where its at this season people.
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Nice one PeterWithesShin mate UTV.
Nice one AV82, there was a good bunch in L2 that was joining in, espicially like you said the lads at the back. Good to spread it to L2. Be good to see a few more faces in L1 for cup games, Hereford being one! UTV
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Hope it spreads and develops as we really need to improve the atmosphere at the ground.
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I saw you all before and during the game the flags looked great especially God's.
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Nice one lads and yeah mate - we got a good reception coming into the ground.
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Was sat in L1 and can confirm they did indeed sing for the full 90 minutes + stoppages. Hope it spreads as we do need a bit of a spark down there.
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Was you one of the lads at the top with us or in the first few rows? Nice one mate.
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Right at the back row SS. Fair play to you boys, it was a good atmosphere. Let's hope it catches on.
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I'm in L3 and I must admit I loved the atmosphere you try to create. The Barry Bannan / Muppet theme was inspired !
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Brilliant Karl mate, well please with the lot that got season tickets in L1 - especially ones that didn't even know anything about us! But gave it all for 90mins!!
Nice one Dave P mate, although we can't claim credit for that! 3-4 lads back row of L2 started it off - pure class.
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The Muppet's song was cracking.
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No probs. Well if others are joining in that's good. With that atomosphere and the new loud PA it felt like VP was rocking. Coupled with the performance of course which always helps.
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Also - of course not to take over this forum ( our football chat sections quite dead to be fair) But for all thats interested in joining, start is to get your self known on the forums (a quicker way is to get over to L1 and get singing!) http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/index.cgi UTV
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Theres only around 2 members face you can see in this pic, hence why we blocked faces, don't want random lads pics to be plastered around the net without permission.
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well done lads could see you from north end lower the holte would look amazing if this catches on
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Nice one mate.
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My season ticket is at the back of L2 and we always have a good sing song up there. I thought you lads were ace with the constant singing and kept the atmosphere going. Fair play to ya.
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You part of the lads that started the muppets bannan?
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Nah wasnt our little group but i know who you are on about.
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Well done lads. I'm in row v and can confirm the chanting was spreading. Lets keep it up.
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Yep keep it up guys, we're in L2 and joined in with quite a few of your chants along with the noisy group behind us. Lower rights going to be where its at this season people.
Ah, back to the heady days of Nutters Corner in the early 80s....
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I was in K1 right above you guys and we could hear the noise from you all afternoon. Keep it up you guys.
Might just get a ticket in L1 for next week against the Dingles. 8)
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Nice one and yeah good to get a few more in L1
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They looked brilliant, good on the atmosphere front too. Shame it's not spreading. I sit in L4 and we rarely sing anymore.
What's this Bannan/muppet thing? I didn't hear that.
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Sure it will spread. Cant really explain. Muppets theme tune - du du du du du BARRY BANNAN du du du du BARRY BANNAN etc.
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They looked brilliant, good on the atmosphere front too. Shame it's not spreading. I sit in L4 and we rarely sing anymore.
What's this Bannan/muppet thing? I didn't hear that.
I didn't hear it either, but i'm going to guess that they switch the ma na ma na bit with Barry Bannan.
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These are brill hanging over the Holte balcony. Being wielded by fans ala that Aberdeen bloke they take on an unhealthy smack of Scouserdom.
Less is more.
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I think you should relocate to the north end lower ;)
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For all the improvements made to stadia in the last twenty years, the one thing thats totally taken a nosedive is the the atmosphere.
Anyone pro-actively taking steps to address this, in a postive fashion, has my total respect.
Well done lads, stick at it and you never know you might even turn some of those who seem to take it as their mission to miserable as sin when they go down the Villa.
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Nice one Lee mate.
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Keep up the good work lads, if you need any help with printing PM me.
UTV!
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These are brill hanging over the Holte balcony. Being wielded by fans ala that Aberdeen bloke they take on an unhealthy smack of Scouserdom.
Less is more.
Oh do cheer up you miserable sod.
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Good luck lads.Keep it up.UTV
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Yep keep it up guys, we're in L2 and joined in with quite a few of your chants along with the noisy group behind us. Lower rights going to be where its at this season people.
Ah, back to the heady days of Nutters Corner in the early 80s....
I thought it was Compost Corner?
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You boys going to be in the same spot tomorrow night?
Was planning on dashing along just before kick-off and heading for Trinity Middle, but could be tempted to come and see quite how long you boys manage to keep going.
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Yes mate, we'll be L1 tommorow! + all 90 i can assure you! UTV
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Thinking of coming down tonight. If so L1 it is then. Keep it up boys we need Villa Park rocking ..........
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Any reason why you couldnt get a better location in the ground such as the back of L4 or L5?
I fully support what you're doing and would certainly join in but doubt I'd buy a ticket in L1 by choice.
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Yep keep it up guys, we're in L2 and joined in with quite a few of your chants along with the noisy group behind us. Lower rights going to be where its at this season people.
Ah, back to the heady days of Nutters Corner in the early 80s....
I thought it was Compost Corner?
Compost Corner was a cracker too, Nodge, though I did prefer the more sophisticated plot lines afforded by the phantom flan flinger. Nutters Corner was the part of the Holte frequented by Villa fans with an aversion to anybody from more than 10 miles away in the early 80s. Near the programme stall at the corner of the Witton Lane stand.
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L1 we thought was the best - we're blocking no body, no coperate boxes etc. etc. also it's a section of around 60 seats, which like you said you wouldn't buy out of choice, which meens apart from us its normally empty, making it easy for people who want to join in, to get a ticket there. Should be good today UTV!
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Fair enough. Hopefully you'll be able to move more central as it grows.
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Good result today with not our strongest squad, saw quite a few people taking a few vids/pics of us, if so send me them please be good to see 'em. UTV
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Good result today with not our strongest squad, saw quite a few people taking a few vids/pics of us, if so send me them please be good to see 'em. UTV
I'm in row V, I'll come and have a chat as I'm the bloke that always gets up and chats further infront, to your left. Pm me your details mate.
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I was sat just above you in K2. Why were the police lined up in front of you in the 2nd half or were they just admiring the flags? lol
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L1 we thought was the best - we're blocking no body, no coperate boxes etc. etc. also it's a section of around 60 seats, which like you said you wouldn't buy out of choice, which meens apart from us its normally empty, making it easy for people who want to join in, to get a ticket there. Should be good today UTV!
Decided to treat myself to a lazy seat in Middle Trinity this evening, but had a reasonably good view of you guys. Fair play to you, a lot of pretty audible noise coming from your section.
Like KRS, I noticed the coppers, but assumed that they're obliged to keep a closer eye on you because of the standing, even if you have been in a bit of contact with Nicola Keye.
The only obvious danger I can see is you becoming a victim of your own success / others trying to use you guys as justification for standing elsewhere. It's why I think the standing in seated areas thing is VERY tricky and unless Villa went for dispensation for a specific area like the Lower North, I think sooner or later, you'll find yourself subject to more stringent stewarding / policing.
Until that day comes, keep enjoying yourselves and keep enjoying the 'view'? Can you actually see the whole pitch from where you are? Even when the flags aren't up?
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Nice one mate, yeah there was a row of coppers watching us, most likely the standing. Had a bit more trouble from the stewards this time, regarding the 'poles' on the two sticks, something has changed from Saturday apparently but yeah were still in contact with Nicola Keye.
Can indeed see the whole pitch mate, when the flags are high enough!
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Noticed a few signs warning about fines for standing in seated areas...may be police/stewards are under orders to clamp down on that.
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Theese new?
Probably, think the head of safety said something about us, also the stewards said we 'had a complaint' oh well.
UTV
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First time I've noticed them but they were posted on the stairs leading to the seats in the concourse areas in the Holte upper, so presumably they would be all around the ground. Your explanation for choosing L1 is perfectly reasonable so dont understand why anyone would complain if you're not obstructing anyone.
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Well I hope you blokes can keep this going and influence the rest of the ground. This 'health n' safety' nonesense is turning grounds into libraries. In fact, as I have to watch on the tele and often flick between games-Villa Park seems the most quiet, least atmospheric of all. Hadn't used to be like that.
How is it that other grounds, Anfield etc turn a blind eye to standing in some areas and trust fans of the same team not to not be poking each others eyes out. And what a waste of Police resources: watching you lot inciting violence by singing about muppets!
Where has the humour, fun, being silly at the footy gone? Good luck.
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I sit in the Lower Trinity behind the dugouts and saw them waving the flags last night but couldn't hear a thing they were singing.
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Paid these guys a visit last night and very enjoyable it was.
People at a football match sing for the whole 90 mins.....shock horror. :o
I'll probably get a letter from the club in the next few days warning me as to my future behaviour and that attempting to create an atmosphere in a football ground is punishable under some ridiculous rule that says you will not enjoy yourself except in the prescribed manner.
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Well done last night to the Brigada lads, non stop singing for 90 minutes and certainly cheered up my evening as I was able to be part of the atmos over in L1 and L2. What was the Specials song you were doing? Was pissing myself laughing at that one and the Barry Bannan muppets song as well. fair play to all the people who seemed to gravitate over to the spare spaces in L1 as they fancied a sing song as well. Me and my mate (Holte L2) joined in as well and had a good night, the old "we are the famous the famous holte end" bought a small lump to the throat as well. Only thing missing from your repertoire is some chants to get the atmos going. Can I recommend
can you hear ther upper sing no no
Also what about witton give us a song witton witton give us a song.
However message to the club, I realise that we get analysed by the local council for compliance to our ground licence but the over the top steward/police reaction to a few blokes standing up and singing last night was little short of pathetic,
best bit of the night though was a young lad who arrived 5 minutes late in L2 with his girlfriend and must have had seats down near the front. On seeing the brigada boys up the back he quickly dragged her off to sit in front of them and spent the whole night bouncing around singing his heart out while she sat there with the most bored expression on her face ever, Classic.
keep it up lads.
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The acoustics at VP are terrible, dunno if it's anything to do with us having 4 stand alone stands.
I've sat in the trinity close to the Holte and couldnt hear it. In the North stand you can hardly hear the Holte
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Nice one AV82EC, like you the famous holte end song put a lump in my throat, seeing the passion on everyones face was brilliant.
Yeah usual suspect, espicially where we are the acoustics are very bad.
UTV
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Keep it up lads atmosphere is everyhing. And it really does help the team ......
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We need to get the left side, the right side chants going again.
That will get the rest of the Holte joining in. As well as upper, upper give us a song!
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What we're the words to the N'Zogbia/Specals, Enjoy Yourself chant?
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We are the famous the famous Holte End - always the best response to "Who are Ya"
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L1, L1 give us a song, L1, give us a song!!!
First time amongst you guys and enjoyed it!!!
We love you.....
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Nice one mate, see L2 joining in a lot. Good stuff.
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Bernie Gallacher display saturday, give it a read please.
http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=508
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I hope it says "Bernie Gallagher"
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I hope it says "Bernie Gallagher"
Why? Has he died too?
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Well, my apologies. For 25 years I thought it was Gallagher, not Gallacher.
In my defence I'm not the only one that belived it was spelt with a "g".
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2011/08/31/aston-villa-graham-taylor-pays-tribute-to-bernie-gallagher-97319-29332534/
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It is Gallagher.
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1,2 an 4 look excellent.
3 looks like something off a sectarian mural.
northern Soul Fist, around way before the loyalists
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Its Gallacher
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Gallacher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Gallacher)
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1,2 an 4 look excellent.
3 looks like something off a sectarian mural.
northern Soul Fist, around way before the loyalists
Northern Soul pre-dates the Battle of the Boyne?? :)
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Isn't the confusion down to one being an author, the other a player?
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Isn't the confusion down to one being an author, the other a player?
Probably.
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"Holte Ender in the Sky", very appropriate and a great tribute.
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It's a great tribute. I hope the club does a minute's silence/applause for him too.
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That's what were hoping too cdvillafan but even if not, the display will still be up. But im sure they will do a minute silence.
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Isn't the confusion down to one being an author, the other a player?
Not forgetting the golfer with the smashable daughter.
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It's Gallacher.
At least that is the way that it was always written on the back of the programme.
I wrote his name down on a Subbuteo teamsheet so often that I don't think I'll ever forget it.
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1,2 an 4 look excellent.
3 looks like something off a sectarian mural.
northern Soul Fist, around way before the loyalists
Northern Soul pre-dates the Battle of the Boyne?? :)
So that's what Stonehenge was for! All-nighters.
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1,2 an 4 look excellent.
3 looks like something off a sectarian mural.
northern Soul Fist, around way before the loyalists
Northern Soul pre-dates the Battle of the Boyne?? :)
So that's what Stonehenge was for! All-nighters.
Indeed. The Uffington White Horse on the hillside in Oxfordshire which dates back over 3000 years, was not carved out of chalk but speed left over from a northern night in the nearby village of Faringdon.
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Went well today, done a bit half time aswell (last minuete planned) as we knew god was on the pitch
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If anyone has any pics of the Bernie Gallacher paper mill, drop me a pm. Thought it was bad there was no silence!!
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Well done guys! Had to sit Upper today, back with you for Wigan!
We don't have many silences/applause for those who have passed away. The club seems to add them all up at the end of the season and have a run-through on the screen. Not a good idea, to my mind, but that's what they do.
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Nice one mate, yeah i know what you meen but that just groups them all together, EACH one of them should have the special moment they deserve. RIP BERNIE GALLACHER.
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Nice one mate, yeah i know what you meen but that just groups them all together, EACH one of them should have the special moment they deserve. RIP BERNIE GALLACHER.
I agree. There should have been some sort of tribute to him today. Was it mentioned in the News and Record?
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Not sure mate, one of the lads brought the programme and said there was a tiny tiny bit on him!
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It's a shame on the Villa that they don't recognise the passing of an ex Viila player.
It doesn't matter that they weren't a player that we all sang songs for. The mere fact that they played for the Villa is enough for me.
Come on AVFC how much out of your corporate lives would a minutes silence or applause have taken.
We are a club that remembers it's players. It was a sad moment today when the club couldn't be bothered to mourn the passing of an ex player.
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It's a shame on the Villa that they don't recognise the passing of an ex Viila player.
It doesn't matter that they weren't a player that we all sang songs for. The mere fact that they played for the Villa is enough for me.
Come on AVFC how much out of your corporate lives would a minutes silence or applause have taken.
We are a club that remembers it's players. It was a sad moment today when the club couldn't be bothered to mourn the passing of an ex player.
Fucking top post mate!
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As ever, a) the family might not have wanted it and b) ex-players die regularly and if we had a silence for them all we'd have one almost every week.
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As ever, a) the family might not have wanted it and b) ex-players die regularly and if we had a silence for them all we'd have one almost every week.
So we'd be Liverpool then.
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That looks ace, well done and thank you for your efforts!
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Nice one.
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As ever, a) the family might not have wanted it and b) ex-players die regularly and if we had a silence for them all we'd have one almost every week.
Sorry to disagree with you Dave, fair enough if the family asked for there to be no tribute, but I don't think that ex Villa players die every other week. We should recognise the passing to The Holte End In The Sky all people who have contributed to the history of our club be they players who we sing songs about or the likes of the people most of us never hear about........those who have given most of their working lives to the club in whatever capacity.
A scrolling list of names on the big screen at the last home game of the season simply isn't good enough for a club with our proud history of doing things the right way.
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As ever, a) the family might not have wanted it and b) ex-players die regularly and if we had a silence for them all we'd have one almost every week.
Sorry to disagree with you Dave, fair enough if the family asked for there to be no tribute, but I don't think that ex Villa players die every other week. We should recognise the passing to The Holte End In The Sky all people who have contributed to the history of our club be they players who we sing songs about or the likes of the people most of us never hear about........those who have given most of their working lives to the club in whatever capacity.
A scrolling list of names on the big screen at the last home game of the season simply isn't good enough for a club with our proud history of doing things the right way.
It's more than we used to do, and let's be realistic. Thousands have played or worked for the Villa over the years. Do you really think they should all get a minute's silence, and if so where do you draw the line?
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Often a minutes silence is disrupted by the mindless minority and it can end up causing more distress- for this reason i think the minutes applause is a better option but as dave rightly says , where do you draw the line?
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Bad result today but on our note, quite a few lads came and join us today, shows it's not just us who wants to get VP rocking.
VILLA TILL WE DIE.
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Bad result today but on our note, quite a few lads came and join us today, shows it's not just us who wants to get VP rocking.
VILLA TILL WE DIE.
Great effort tonight again lads, if there's one positive to be taken from it tonight, its you lot at the back of L1 having a blast. Keep it up, I do join in in L2 despite people lookin at me as if I'm a bit weird singing on the Holte End.
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Nice one, L2 was going for it most of the game mate, you can always just move over, never be ashamed to sing.
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Nice one, L2 was going for it most of the game mate, you can always just move over, never be ashamed to sing.
Never ashamed mate, and no need to move either as I provide your singing link across to L3 ;-)
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Good stuff then mate, today instead of a few songs spreading all/most spread across half of the lower holte. UTV
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I think people are starting to get used to it and starting to join in here and there, if you keep it up it'll keep spreading.
Keep the Faith.
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The atmosphere was utterly dreadful tonight, fair play for trying to get it going
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The atmosphere was utterly dreadful tonight, fair play for trying to get it going
Its funny because down in L1/L2 and probably L3 it sounds great and we keep up the noise levels so it never feels like a bad atmosphere.
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Couldn't hear anything in the Upper Holte from below.
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Yeah it would sound good when your in the middle of it mate, it doesn't sound great untilll a whole stand is doing, also talking to a few in upper holte they couldn't hear us, must be something to do with the roof because a lad i know was in a box above the tunnel and some how heard us!
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Could have heard a pin drop from the north upper. I said to my mates can we sit with them next match :-)
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Could see you lot and the increase in numbers in the second half and fair play for keeping going despite the dross on the pitch!
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I must admit that I have heard a lot about Brigada 1874 through this forum and this thread.
HOWEVER, I have never heard or seen anything to do with them inside the ground.
I sit in the Upperr DE - on the half way line, and even during the quietest games (last night included) they have not been noticable.
Sing up lads !!
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I hear them fine from the Trinity upper
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They were great last night and fair play to them for getting stuck in when most of us were sat on our hands for 90 minutes. It would be a happier place if their were more like them them.
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Great sense of humour too. At the end of the match they started chanting lets pretend we've won the game, let's pretend we've won the game, and started jumping about as if we'd just won a cup final.
After last nights performance I've got a feeling we'll be hearing that a few more times this season.
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Not sure how some people can hear us and some cant.. Nothing about singing up Andy mate in my opinion we gave it our all for 90mins and got quite a few more people to join in, couldn't do any more.
Nice one lads. UTV
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Fair play to you all, I could hear you yesterday.
I was just womdering... would it be possible for you to start singing "Ooh, Ah Paul McGrath" at games? I find the "PaulMcGrath/On The Piss/It's Your Round" one very disrespectful, I would like it if we stopped singing that althogether. I reckon if you go back to the old chant that could easily spread round the ground (well, the Holte End anyway). I promise I'll join in!
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I do know what you meen mate, i see your point about disrespectful but can't see it stopping, we do sing ooh ah paul mcgrath though mate.
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Maybe you lot could get "come on you lions" going seconds before kick off, that used to send a shiver down my spine when a pack house did it.
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Good idea mate, we sing it when we've got a corner at the moment.
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Five Live are debating atmosphere at football grounds from 10.30 this evening. They have a VERY special guest.
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Five Live are debating atmosphere at football grounds from 10.30 this evening. They have a VERY special guest.
Oh dear.
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Five Live are debating atmosphere at football grounds from 10.30 this evening. They have a VERY special guest.
£20 to the site if you can get the words ''limp wristed'' into the conversation.
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£20 to the site if you can get the words ''downings a complete c*nt'' into the conversation.
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£5 for use of the words 'wanton skankery' or 'dirt box derby'.
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Five Live are debating atmosphere at football grounds from 10.30 this evening. They have a VERY special guest.
Is it The Fear?
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Five Live are debating atmosphere at football grounds from 10.30 this evening. They have a VERY special guest.
Is it The Fear?
We need more bells.
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Not sure how some people can hear us and some cant.. Nothing about singing up Andy mate in my opinion we gave it our all for 90mins and got quite a few more people to join in, couldn't do any more.
Nice one lads. UTV
its the way the sound travels. i sat k5 vs man u last season i think it was (cuellar header) the wife and dad sat in the away end in the upper doug ellis, after the match i said they were dead quite and they said they didnt hear us at all for the 90 mins vp dont carry sound well due to the open corners
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Will The Bells Are Ringing ever catch on?
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Will The Bells Are Ringing ever catch on?
if the last 30 years is anything to go by, probably not
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Good to see and hear plenty of fans joining in with Brigada today! :)
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Good to see and hear plenty of fans joining in with Brigada today! :)
Where do you lot sit? There were a bunch of about 15 lads in the Holte L2 who sang pretty much all the way through the game today - I'm guessing that was you.
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Were next to L2, L1, also not kids mate.
Fair play to L2 again for joining in.
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Were next to L2, L1, also not kids mate.
Fair play to L2 again for joining in.
Yep we were, though must admit I didn't as I had a horrendous hangover (must stop drinking sambucca shots). Keep it up guys.
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Haha, no excuse boss, some of the lads came straight from the work doo the night before!
du du du du du du A-V-F-C!
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Any chance of a Gabby stick when he breaks Yorkes record boys?!
Keep up the good work btw!
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Any chance of a Gabby stick when he breaks Yorkes record boys?!
Keep up the good work btw!
They'll be a few more coming, mainly towards Villas history, not just players but history in general. Although i like the thinking for a current player two stick.
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Any chance of a Gabby stick when he breaks Yorkes record boys?!
Keep up the good work btw!
What record? Bill Walker is our top scorer.
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Any chance of a Gabby stick when he breaks Yorkes record boys?!
Keep up the good work btw!
They'll be a few more coming, mainly towards Villas history, not just players but history in general.
Do you mean stuff like the Repeal of the Corn Laws and Arkwright's Spinning Jenny?
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"There's Only One Ramesses II"
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Any chance of a Gabby stick when he breaks Yorkes record boys?!
Keep up the good work btw!
They'll be a few more coming, mainly towards Villas history, not just players but history in general.
Do you mean stuff like the Repeal of the Corn Laws and Arkwright's Spinning Jenny?
both before Villas time ;)
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Were next to L2, L1, also not kids mate.
Fair play to L2 again for joining in.
'Lads' as in blokes, not kids, no offence meant WLY.
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These people aint lads they are IRA loving scum with links to the Celtic ultras! You really want these people down Villa park.
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These people aint lads they are IRA loving scum with links to the Celtic ultras! You really want these people down Villa park.
All I know is that they sang for 90 minutes in seats not to far away from where I was sitting which was amusing if a little annoying towards the end (each to their own of course). Aside form that I make no assumption or comment whatsoever.
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These people aint lads they are IRA loving scum with links to the Celtic ultras! You really want these people down Villa park.
Comfy Chair? Check
Large Pepsi? Check
Popcorn? Check
Now time to sit back and watch the fun and games...
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These people aint lads they are IRA loving scum with links to the Celtic ultras! You really want these people down Villa park.
OK _ I'll bite.
How are they linked to Celtic Ultras?
And who are you?
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Ha Ha, check out our forum for the pics of Rangers ultras displays
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These people aint lads they are IRA loving scum with links to the Celtic ultras! You really want these people down Villa park.
You muppet. Yes we do want them down Villa park because they love our club and sing their bollocks off. If they've spoken to the Celtic Ultras so fucking what, maybe they were just getting some ideas about how to set themselves up. People really do see things that aren't there sometimes.
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These people aint lads they are IRA loving scum with links to the Celtic ultras! You really want these people down Villa park.
Wow! Thats quite a statement right there and think you should have some kind of evidence before making slanderous accusations like that.
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I'll bite. I've been to every home game this season and I "sit" in L1 with these guys. I'm not part of their group but I enjoy the atmosphere they create in that part of the ground.
I've never heard any of them utter a word about any sort of politics. They are anti racist, anti fascist, anti sexist. anti modern football. All things any one could agree with.
If you visit their web site you'll find good luck messages from Rangers, Celtic, FC United Of Manchester, Porto, St Pauli, Hamburg and a host of other Brigada's across Europe.
Nowhere do you find any official links to any other group.
The only thing they can be accused of is being very vocal in their support for Aston Villa.
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Were next to L2, L1, also not kids mate.
Fair play to L2 again for joining in.
'Lads' as in blokes, not kids, no offence meant WLY.
Alright, no worries mate took it the wrong way bud but yeah like i said, L2 have been up for it every home game we've been there!
Like, the laughing police man says, we have lads from all over on our forum, I've posted a bit on various ultra sites, granted, Celtics ultras is one but so is Palace's, boro, Rangers, Livingston then a few foreign lads sites Its good to know how other groups are getting on in the UK and around the world(or not being able to get on in some cases) and how there doing.
Like said, we have no official links/freindships and i can't see us having any in the near future, ESPECIALLY NEVER with a group in the UK as of course, they are all rivals no matter which country in my eyes.
Nice one for the support lads, VILLA TILL WE DIE.
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How are you guys getting on? Any problems with steward/ police or complaints from other fans?
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How are you guys getting on? Any problems with steward/ police or complaints from other fans?
Only Maundy, the rent a troll.
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These people aint lads they are IRA loving scum with links to the Celtic ultras! You really want these people down Villa park.
What you prefer? Loyalist/BNP links?
I tell you what I see. A bunch of lads getting behind their team for 90 minutes every week. A million miles away from the sectarian bollocks that seems to motivate you.
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These people aint lads they are IRA loving scum with links to the Celtic ultras! You really want these people down Villa park.
"BURN THE WITCH"
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How are you guys getting on? Any problems with steward/ police or complaints from other fans?
No problems mate, all good for the time, there was a complaint behind me when i was holding up the papermill for Bernie Gallacher! Because someone couldnt see the game (even though it was when the players were coming out) ! Apart from that + the odd stupid comment on forums like one on this page, all seems to be going well mate.
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Were you the ones dressed as Oompa Loompas?
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I sat in L2 for the Newcastle game, and was very impressed with the Brigada guys. I'll be looking for tickets in that area for most home games from now on. Was lovely to sit on the Holte End and hear some atmosphere for a change.
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No was wasn't reuben.
Nice one Dave mate.
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Were next to L2, L1, also not kids mate.
Fair play to L2 again for joining in.
'Lads' as in blokes, not kids, no offence meant WLY.
Alright, no worries mate took it the wrong way bud but yeah like i said, L2 have been up for it every home game we've been there!
Like, the laughing police man says, we have lads from all over on our forum, I've posted a bit on various ultra sites, granted, Celtics ultras is one but so is Palace's, boro, Rangers, Livingston then a few foreign lads sites Its good to know how other groups are getting on in the UK and around the world(or not being able to get on in some cases) and how there doing.
Like said, we have no official links/freindships and i can't see us having any in the near future, ESPECIALLY NEVER with a group in the UK as of course, they are all rivals no matter which country in my eyes.
Nice one for the support lads, VILLA TILL WE DIE.
What problems do other groups face? Lack of cooperation from their clubs/fellow fans/police?
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Some of that mate, Celtic + Rangers groups are under big problems with new leglisations that are coming in from there goverment, through the singing of certain chants and there few getting arrested so they've both been protesting aswell as other scottish groups.
Some of it like you said (mainly in england this) some of the other fans dont recognize them/won't help them out and the smaller groups (our size/smaller) obviously find it hard for persistent standing.
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Just thought i'd join with the praises of what you fellas are doing. Sat in L2 previous and loved it, for this Saturday i was over in L8 and could still join in, it was definitely filtering over. If there are any moaners who for some reason don't like an atmosphere, there's plenty of room over at Trinity and Witton at the moment. Keep it up!!! A V F C
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Whats the reasoning behind the blacking out of faces in the photos on your site ?
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They're all ugly bastards
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Whats the reasoning behind the blacking out of faces in the photos on your site ?
Nothing sinister, just privacy. Is your real name 'Luke 95' and when you came on this forum did you ask why everyone doesn't have pics of themselves?
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They're all ugly bastards
+ that ;)
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Just thought i'd join with the praises of what you fellas are doing. Sat in L2 previous and loved it, for this Saturday i was over in L8 and could still join in, it was definitely filtering over. If there are any moaners who for some reason don't like an atmosphere, there's plenty of room over at Trinity and Witton at the moment. Keep it up!!! A V F C
Can't help but agree, the Upper Holte is quiet these days, atmosphere generated is not a bad thing.
These guys aren't thugs, are they ??
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Whats the reasoning behind the blacking out of faces in the photos on your site ?
Nothing sinister, just privacy. Is your real name 'Luke 95' and when you came on this forum did you ask why everyone doesn't have pics of themselves?
Well my 'real' name is Luke & I live at number 95 thats my reasoning .
& if posting pics of yourself was part of the forum etiquette & posters blurred out their faces id be curious as to why.
You're doing nothing wrong & have no hidden agenda so just curious as to why you blank faces out. No need to be so defensive either.
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They're all ugly bastards
Nail on the head! Most of the group have faces only a mother could love! :o
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Well done Brigada 1874. I'm proud of the support you all give to our beloved club.
Up The Villa.
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Whats the reasoning behind the blacking out of faces in the photos on your site ?
Nothing sinister, just privacy. Is your real name 'Luke 95' and when you came on this forum did you ask why everyone doesn't have pics of themselves?
Well my 'real' name is Luke & I live at number 95 thats my reasoning .
& if posting pics of yourself was part of the forum etiquette & posters blurred out their faces id be curious as to why.
You're doing nothing wrong & have no hidden agenda so just curious as to why you blank faces out. No need to be so defensive either.
Sorry Mate, wasn't meaning to be defensive. Nothing sinister behind it, just respecting members privacy. Ie maybe people don't want their bosses etc to see what they get up to at weekends?
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Looking at the reaction of the MENSA candidate on a previous page, maybe they want a bit of privacy.
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Half ST now on sale, £250 in L1!
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My mate I sit next to every home game managed to get a ticket through a company in the directors area sitting a coupe of rows in front of mr Lerner. it's the fist time he's been out of the holte end in god knows how many years since we hold ST's. He said he was gobsmacked just how quiet we are. When you're in the cauldron you feel it's loud as your singing every game but he said the Norwich fans we chanting "we'll on our own" a lot and part from when we scored and the roar from the holte went off the scale we were on the whole really quiet. Maybe some of you guys should come
Up to the upper holte and spread the love!!
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Where we are isn't the best, under the roof this is just a beginning for where we're sitting as a group mate, build where we are first though.
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My mate I sit next to every home game managed to get a ticket through a company in the directors area sitting a coupe of rows in front of mr Lerner. it's the fist time he's been out of the holte end in god knows how many years since we hold ST's. He said he was gobsmacked just how quiet we are. When you're in the cauldron you feel it's loud as your singing every game but he said the Norwich fans we chanting "we'll on our own" a lot and part from when we scored and the roar from the holte went off the scale we were on the whole really quiet. Maybe some of you guys should come
Up to the upper holte and spread the love!!
It has been dreadful for ages, some fans only go to away games now as there's more atmosphere with the away fans in a smaller area.
The Holte needs Brigada 1874 and all that can bring it alive again as 12th man it isn't.
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How about stealing this from Celtic? easy to learn, have a little dance, Emirates here we come.
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I've heard Villa singing that before but it would just seem derivative now. Leave the song-stealing to Manure.
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I've heard Villa singing that before but it would just seem derivative now. Leave the song-stealing to Manure.
You must admit the majority of our songs (when they are sung) are pretty shit and unimaginative. We need something that goes on for a bit, we don't sing C+B army any more because we're not allowed to mention the M word.
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My mate I sit next to every home game managed to get a ticket through a company in the directors area sitting a coupe of rows in front of mr Lerner. it's the fist time he's been out of the holte end in god knows how many years since we hold ST's. He said he was gobsmacked just how quiet we are. When you're in the cauldron you feel it's loud as your singing every game but he said the Norwich fans we chanting "we'll on our own" a lot and part from when we scored and the roar from the holte went off the scale we were on the whole really quiet. Maybe some of you guys should come
Up to the upper holte and spread the love!!
I've heard Villa singing that before but it would just seem derivative now. Leave the song-stealing to Manure.
You must admit the majority of our songs (when they are sung) are pretty shit and unimaginative. We need something that goes on for a bit, we don't sing C+B army any more because we're not allowed to mention the M word.
Even Paul McGrath must cringe when 'xxxx my Lord is sung', where 'xxxx' is hilarious word of the day.
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Paul McGrath my Lord is our iconic song.
Everyone knows that we sing it (usually find it ironic that we sing Shit Support my Lord at them)
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Paul McGrath my Lord is our iconic song.
Everyone knows that we sing it (usually find it ironic that we sing Shit Support my Lord at them)
Thanks for letting me know.
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Paul McGrath my Lord is our iconic song.
Everyone knows that we sing it (usually find it ironic that we sing Shit Support my Lord at them)
Thanks for letting me know.
I thought it was Keep Rye Ron? Who the fuck's Ron and why does he need to keep rye?
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Paul McGrath my Lord is our iconic song.
Everyone knows that we sing it (usually find it ironic that we sing Shit Support my Lord at them)
Isn't yours KRO?
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This is Palace's Ultras group against Cardiff midweek, the display looks fantastic and if you have a look about 7mins onwards this is how a group can stimulate atmosphere in a modern day English ground
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Paul McGrath my Lord is our iconic song.
Everyone knows that we sing it (usually find it ironic that we sing Shit Support my Lord at them)
Isn't yours KRO?
Mine is the same as yours mate.
We are both united by the Villa.
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This is Palace's Ultras group against Cardiff midweek, the display looks fantastic and if you have a look about 7mins onwards this is how a group can stimulate atmosphere in a modern day English ground
Their choice of song, Glad All Over, is exemplary.
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Love to see your "sticks' but how the f do you open the pic up. I even registered with this image shack thing.
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Not sure why mate, heres a pic from our first game this season which shows the two sticks.
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3264/37707319.png
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WLY Thanks, much appreciated and keep up the good work.
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This is Palace's Ultras group against Cardiff midweek, the display looks fantastic and if you have a look about 7mins onwards this is how a group can stimulate atmosphere in a modern day English ground
Their choice of song, Glad All Over, is exemplary.
And that wasn't just a special display for the LC semi final. Although they are having a pretty ordinary season in the league they are like that at every home game win, lose or draw.
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I fucking hate Crystal Palace.
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I fucking hate Crystal Palace.
Any particular reason PW?
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I fucking hate Crystal Palace.
Any particular reason PW?
It takes about 3 days to get there?
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No reason that stands up to any kind of scrutiny, I remember going there a few times in the 80s and always thinking what gobby, braying, lairy wankers their fans were. Then Francis going there and that fella with the hair owning them kind of cemented it.
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I have a soft spot for Palace.
My bro-in-law was a season ticket holder and he and my nephew still go down there a bit.
I went to a few games there back in the day when they had Wright n Bright playing for them.
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I fucking hate Crystal Palace.
Any particular reason PW?
It takes about 3 days to get there?
I used to live in north London, Finsbury Park, and once went to watch us at Selhurst Park in a midweek game. Even from within London, it is a horrible slog to get to.
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This is Palace's Ultras group against Cardiff midweek, the display looks fantastic and if you have a look about 7mins onwards this is how a group can stimulate atmosphere in a modern day English ground
Their choice of song, Glad All Over, is exemplary.
And that wasn't just a special display for the LC semi final. Although they are having a pretty ordinary season in the league they are like that at every home game win, lose or draw.
That's excellent stuff.
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That is very impressive. looks like a German crowd. I've heard us singing one of the songs when the bog roll starts being thrown. What do we sing to that?
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That is very impressive. looks like a German crowd. I've heard us singing one of the songs when the bog roll starts being thrown. What do we sing to that?
The song is 'We Love You'.
We love you
We love you
And where you go we follow
Because we love The Villa, The Villa
And That's the way we like it, we like it.
Who oh oh oh oh oh.
We sing it every match in L1.
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That is very impressive. looks like a German crowd. I've heard us singing one of the songs when the bog roll starts being thrown. What do we sing to that?
And they even through it back to the steward, how typically English.
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Cheers. was sat in trinity and heard it sung yesterday. do you sing we love you villa when they walk out?. i used to like that but hasn't been sung for years
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No particular song for when the lads come out, but we do sing that, only ''planned song'' is when we've got a corner we'll sing come on you lions.
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I watched the Palace game and thought their fans were great... Where did they nick the "We Love You" song from?
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Sat in L1 for the Norwich game and have to say the lads were great kept my two little ones well amused esp with 'shoes off' keep it going lads.
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If this group can get the thing to spread to the whole of the Holte then they will have done a great thing. When you look around the country, and further afield, it is infectious. Even the most prim and proper crowds can get worked up. I am not suggesting, definitely not suggesting, a drum like they have at Wigan, but some sustained support from the first minute to last.
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Jesus Christ, DCF, you want a drum?
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Jesus Christ, DCF, you want a drum?
Do not, under any circumstances, let him have a drum.
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Jesus Christ, DCF, you want a drum?
Do not, under any circumstances, let him have a drum.
I made it quite clear that I do not want a drum. Once a season at Wigan is more than enough for me.
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I think DC5 would look cute with a drum. Like that Spanish bloke.
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I think DC5 would look cute with a drum. Like that Spanish bloke.
What did you put before the edit? Was it a change to 'cute' but only changing two letters?
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I think DC5 would look cute with a drum. Like that Spanish bloke.
What did you put before the edit? Was it a change to 'cute' but only changing two letters?
I thought he'd retired but apparently not.
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I watched the Palace game and thought their fans were great... Where did they nick the "We Love You" song from?
Saint Pauli mate.
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I think DC5 would look cute with a drum. Like that Spanish bloke.
What did you put before the edit? Was it a change to 'cute' but only changing two letters?
I thought he'd retired but apparently not.
You mean Manolo... runs a nice little bar in Valenica...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manolo_el_del_bombo
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I think DC5 would look cute with a drum. Like that Spanish bloke.
What did you put before the edit? Was it a change to 'cute' but only changing two
letters?
I thought he'd retired but apparently not.
You mean Manolo... runs a nice little bar in Valenica...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manolo_el_del_bombo
The shirt might fit me actually.
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Can Percy on here (lad who was at the youth game yesterday) drop me a PM please/
Good game yesterday, unlucky to loose, the cheating they was doing was unbelievable, linesmen made some shocking decisions aswell, youth played there hears out though, was great to watch. UTV.
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I certainly will. May take time though, full version of the site is a bugger on this phone, and I'm very busy.
Pleasure to meet you btw.
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Are air horn's allowed any more?
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In support of Janoi Donacien the young lad the home office are trying to deport
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I certainly will. May take time though, full version of the site is a bugger on this phone, and I'm very busy.
Pleasure to meet you btw.
Same mate, can't PM you either was just going to say, get on the forum bud, was brilliant to meet you and great seeing you go for it throughout. UTV.
http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/index.cgi
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As sceptical as I was when you first came here, I have to say I was mightily impressed yesterday. Credit where credit is due.
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As sceptical as I was when you first came here, I have to say I was mightily impressed yesterday. Credit where credit is due.
Same here.
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Im not speaking on behalf of the group but I personally think last night was ideal way to show exactly what Brigada 1874 are all about, the lads the just want to get by behind the team for 90 or 120 minutes by making as much noise and colour as possible! It really is as simple as that.
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I think DC5 would look cute with a drum. Like that Spanish bloke.
What did you put before the edit? Was it a change to 'cute' but only changing two letters?
I thought he'd retired but apparently not.
You mean Manolo... runs a nice little bar in Valenica...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manolo_el_del_bombo
When my parents lived in Spain, my dad went to a few Valencia home matches on the local supporters club coach, and they'd pop in at Manolo's bar pre-match.
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Fantastic last night lads. As I said previously sat by you for Norwich game you made a big difference to the atmosphere.
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It would be great if the lads' efforts catch on, so if any of you leaving positive comments find yourselves in the same section of a ground, just go over and join in! They're a friendly bunch.
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As sceptical as I was when you first came here, I have to say I was mightily impressed yesterday. Credit where credit is due.
Same here.
Guilty as charged. Well done lads, keep it up.
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I took my shoes off against Norwich Percy!
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For others' sake I left mine on. I came straight from work.
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I now know the reason for 'We Love You'. Excellent.
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Is anything planned for the Arsenal game?
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The noise was great last night. My old man said "is that the Marseille fans?". Sounded very continental!
Must be the most noise made in the Trinity for years.
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Is anything planned for the Arsenal game?
no mate
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How you guys getting on with the club?
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How you guys getting on with the club?
They support what were doing and although in our early stages we had troubles bring in flags etc. we don't now.
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How you guys getting on with the club?
They support what were doing and although in our early stages we had troubles bring in flags etc. we don't now.
any plans to expand/ do larger things etc?
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Course mate, where we are now section wise is poor hoping to maybe move next season, especially with numbers growing. Hoping to have one big display this season.
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Do you talk / share ideas with similar groups at other clubs? I vaguely remember reading about a similar group at Newcastle, for example, and saw the impressive Palace stuff in this thread.
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Yes mate, we talk to a have other groups, few on our forum, few of us on there forum etc. the Newcastle group is no more, yeah Palace have the best group in England. Other teams with groups in the UK are -
Palace
'Boro
Barrow
Accrington Stanley
Oxford
Rangers
Celtic
Livingston
Motherwell.
Some active, some not, heres a thread i try to update regularly on the UK ''scene''.
http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=others&action=display&thread=374
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Here's an idea for you: Could you approach the club and ask whether they could sell you a bunch of season tickets in one section of the ground for next season. Obviously a large number of you would buy the STs anyway so the important bit is that you need to buy more tickets than your core membership from avfc.
You then set up a website where you sell the excess tickets at face value. The profit (on the day cost minus ST cost) can fund the purchase of flags and other poles etc.
This would allow folk to join you on an ad hoc basis. This would spread the love and hopefully mean you can buy more season tickets next year. If Brigada 1874 was non-profit and transparent then I'd imagine that most folk would support it.
Maybe you could wangle it that the club would sell the season tickets in bulk and at a small discount on the basis/promise that you generally behave and build a dialogue with the club.
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Yeah an official section is what a few groups have, a lot of them (like you've discussed) control the tickets to it as well, it is a great idea and an official section is something we may look towards in the not so far future.
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Yeah an official section is what a few groups have, a lot of them (like you've discussed) control the tickets to it as well, it is a great idea and an official section is something we may look towards in the not so far future.
might be worth sending a representative to thenext supporters consultation group meeting.
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Yeah an official section is what a few groups have, a lot of them (like you've discussed) control the tickets to it as well, it is a great idea and an official section is something we may look towards in the not so far future.
In an ideal world you could conceivably get yourselves in a situation where you're getting a discount off the club for bulk buying and then receiving interest off season ticket holders for purchasing on credit. I'm not condoning an argentinan Barras Bravas type situation but having a coordinated fan base - with songs, choreography and banners etc will inspire everyone including the team.
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Yes mate, we talk to a have other groups, few on our forum, few of us on there forum etc. the Newcastle group is no more, yeah Palace have the best group in England. Other teams with groups in the UK are -
Palace
'Boro
Barrow
Accrington Stanley
Oxford
Rangers
Celtic
Livingston
Motherwell.
Some active, some not, heres a thread i try to update regularly on the UK ''scene''.
http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=others&action=display&thread=374
what happened to Aberdeen? Thought they we huge.
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Course Dante Lavelli mate will only be good for the team.
They went in 2009 i think it was itbrvilla, not sure on the exact reasons but know the club was on their back for a few years, one of the first and best in the UK, done some great things.
They did do something against Rangers other week though, hopefully they can come back bigger and better.
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Here's an idea for you: Could you approach the club and ask whether they could sell you a bunch of season tickets in one section of the ground for next season. Obviously a large number of you would buy the STs anyway so the important bit is that you need to buy more tickets than your core membership from avfc.
You then set up a website where you sell the excess tickets at face value. The profit (on the day cost minus ST cost) can fund the purchase of flags and other poles etc.
This would allow folk to join you on an ad hoc basis. This would spread the love and hopefully mean you can buy more season tickets next year. If Brigada 1874 was non-profit and transparent then I'd imagine that most folk would support it.
Maybe you could wangle it that the club would sell the season tickets in bulk and at a small discount on the basis/promise that you generally behave and build a dialogue with the club.
Dante, you do realise that ST's are swipe cards now and not books of tickets. Plus unless they were sold every match, it would only need three matches down or so for the ST to be costing more.
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Obviously everyone gets around to have the photo taken with Brigada flag or the protest about the youth player deportation. But why are the faces blurred afterwards if there is not going to be trouble and the club are aware of you.
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On Wednesday there was also a long overdue return of the Trinity Road slow handclap to tell those swarthy, cheating Johnny Foreigners exactly what we thought of them.
You could almost smell the fear.
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Obviously everyone gets around to have the photo taken with Brigada flag or the protest about the youth player deportation. But why are the faces blurred afterwards if there is not going to be trouble and the club are aware of you.
That's a good question which has been asked quite a few times, primarily it is because of the nature of some of the members professions plus there are few under u16's. You might say we'll your doing nothing wrong and there's nothing to hide which is correct but unfortunately the tabloid media in this country have built up Ultras to be hooligan gangs which is quite clearly not the case in the majority.
Also and Percy can vouch for this there's quite a few in the group with faces only a mother could love! ;D
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Do you talk / share ideas with similar groups at other clubs? I vaguely remember reading about a similar group at Newcastle, for example, and saw the impressive Palace stuff in this thread.
Yeah it's vital really to talk to and read about how other groups produce displays and deal with clubs/police/stewards etc. We did have a member of HF05 Homlesdale Fanatics at a game and his insight was brilliant to be honest.
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You can show my face. No copper's taking me alive etc.
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Anyone wishing to help the group without doing so physically can do so buy purchasing the first edition Brigada 1874 badges. Instructions here:
http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=merch&action=display&thread=83
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On Wednesday there was also a long overdue return of the Trinity Road slow handclap to tell those swarthy, cheating Johnny Foreigners exactly what we thought of them.
You could almost smell the fear.
Wonderful.
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On Wednesday there was also a long overdue return of the Trinity Road slow handclap to tell those swarthy, cheating Johnny Foreigners exactly what we thought of them.
You could almost smell the fear.
Was he there?
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Huh? Who?
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The Fear (Jonothan).
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Right, dunno.
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Remember, any more about us/ultras in general. http://brigada1874ultras.proboards.com/index.cgi
Good way to get involved aswell.
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Here's an idea for you: Could you approach the club and ask whether they could sell you a bunch of season tickets in one section of the ground for next season. Obviously a large number of you would buy the STs anyway so the important bit is that you need to buy more tickets than your core membership from avfc.
You then set up a website where you sell the excess tickets at face value. The profit (on the day cost minus ST cost) can fund the purchase of flags and other poles etc.
This would allow folk to join you on an ad hoc basis. This would spread the love and hopefully mean you can buy more season tickets next year. If Brigada 1874 was non-profit and transparent then I'd imagine that most folk would support it.
Maybe you could wangle it that the club would sell the season tickets in bulk and at a small discount on the basis/promise that you generally behave and build a dialogue with the club.
Dante, you do realise that ST's are swipe cards now and not books of tickets. Plus unless they were sold every match, it would only need three matches down or so for the ST to be costing more.
I admit the last time I had a season ticket it was a little book. Anyway my point was that they'd need the club's co-operation in all of these things. Like you, I do not want a hooligan element to be associated with the club however seeing and hearing stuff like at the Palace match can only be a good thing. That sort of thing will not happen spontaneously and therefore a group like Brigada would need support organising it.
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Not the best picture but to do with the Safe Standing.
No more brushed shins - bring back standing.
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Is the drum yours?
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Yes, was used more then we wanted it too normally only want to used it once or twice a game.
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Yes, was used more then we wanted it too normally only want to used it once or twice a game.
Get rid of it, we're not fucking Bolton.
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Yes, was used more then we wanted it too normally only want to used it once or twice a game.
Get rid of it, we're not fucking Bolton.
Something we included to get going now and again, not like bolton full 90mins, just like banging the back/windows.
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I quite liked the drum every now and again.
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I was in the North Stand and thought the drum was QPR fans. I think its great what Brigada1874 are trying to acheive in terms of generating some kind of atmosphere, but in my opinion a drum(or any other instrument) is so small time it has no place at Villa Park.
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I sit in the Upper Holte (planning on moving next season) and I never heard it. I totally agree with the rest of your post. No need for it at VP.
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Some better snaps than the one above will be on our forums shortly.
We discussed the idea of a drum at lentgh for some time, personally i'm not a fan but there's only so much your fists can take digging the plastic panes at the side of the lower holte. I don't see an issue with the drum as long as it's used sparingly for chants such as "famous holte end" and similar, it's certainly not something that is going to be banged every second like that intolerable one at wigan.
To the perosn who mentioed the supporter consultation meetings- a couple of members have been along to one of these and the ideas put forward were all ones that we'd generally support. We will be in contact with the club regarding any larger displays we plan on doing this season.
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Good luck. You appear to be going about this the right way i.e. building slowly and demonstrating that you're serious and will be around a long time. Once you've done that then I'd hope that the club will seriously engage with you.
Sounds stupid but make sure there are not too many idiots amongst you as the club will not back you if you're holding any anti mcleish/randy rubbish and rightly so. Make your emphasis supporting the team. I'm sure you realise this.
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Good luck. You appear to be going about this the right way i.e. building slowly and demonstrating that you're serious and will be around a long time. Once you've done that then I'd hope that the club will seriously engage with you.
Sounds stupid but make sure there are not too many idiots amongst you as the club will not back you if you're holding any anti mcleish/randy rubbish and rightly so. Make your emphasis supporting the team. I'm sure you realise this.
TBH there isn't a real necessity to move to relationship with the club on any further as long as the group are allowed to produce displays and get behind the team that's the only real cooperation needed.
The group are always behind the team you will not catch anyone booing or singing songs about the owners or management inside Villa park, If the group as whole were upset with the direction of the club you may see the group banner turned upside down, this is Ultras custom to show their dissatisfaction with something involving their club.
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I sit in the Upper Holte (pretty much front and centre-ish) and could hear it on Wednesday. As long as it's not persistent a la Bolton/Blackburn I think it's OK. I think it's brilliant what you're trying to do in terms of generating more atmosphere. Near me there's one guy who constantly shouts abuse at AMC. On Wednesday having been largely ignored by everyone he changed tack and tried an ironic 'Alex McCleish's claret and blue army'. Oh how we laughed. Wonder if it was DazzyG? Hearing the positive stuff from the Lower is a refreshing change
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Fantastic idea to bring a drum or whatever else makes a noise as the atmopshere is non existent
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The group are always behind the team you will not catch anyone booing or singing songs about the owners or management inside Villa park, If the group as whole were upset with the direction of the club you may see the group banner turned upside down, this is Ultras custom to show their dissatisfaction with something involving their club.
I think it's very positive what you're doing but and it's only a small but...making out you're Villa ultras or whatever is a bit naff to be honest. Can't you just be Villa fans who want to voice their support for the team without any affiliation to some global non existent organization?
Keep up the good work though.
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Bren'd-the term "ultra" best describes what the group is, it doesn't involve any affiliation to anything or anyone else, it's just a description.
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TBH there isn't a real necessity to move to relationship with the club on any further as long as the group are allowed to produce displays and get behind the team that's the only real cooperation needed.
But surely with allocated seating it will difficult for you guys to grow as people cannot exactly change seats and come and stand by you. With the club's help they could allocate space/seats to you guys so that you can encourage more people to join you = better atmosphere etc etc.
Anyway, I hope you continue to do it as it can only be good for Villa.
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Any group of fans that can come up with a song or songs that aren't to the tune of 'Come by yah' gets my vote all day long. That dirge is getting on my tits.
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Yes, was used more then we wanted it too normally only want to used it once or twice a game.
Get rid of it, we're not fucking Bolton.
Here's another vote for getting rid of the drum.
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Excellent effort yesterday, keep trying
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Yep good stuff yesterday. As for those saying get rid of the drum we're not Bolton, maybe if a few more people in the Holte End could be bothered to get off there fat arses, open their mouths and join in the singing then we might not need a drum. But until they do I say stick with it.
Modern football supporters seem to think they're on a trip to the cinema if what I witnessed yesterday was anything to go by.
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Yep good stuff yesterday. As for those saying get rid of the drum we're not Bolton, maybe if a few more people in the Holte End could be bothered to get off there fat arses, open their mouths and join in the singing then we might not need a drum. But until they do I say stick with it.
Modern football supporters seem to think they're on a trip to the cinema if what I witnessed yesterday was anything to go by.
More like a funeral Pete.
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Yep good stuff yesterday. As for those saying get rid of the drum we're not Bolton, maybe if a few more people in the Holte End could be bothered to get off there fat arses, open their mouths and join in the singing then we might not need a drum. But until they do I say stick with it.
Modern football supporters seem to think they're on a trip to the cinema if what I witnessed yesterday was anything to go by.
More like a funeral Pete.
Yep, you're right, the football may be shit but I've watched plenty of shit Football down at VP where there was some atmosphere as well.
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Keep the drum!
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Yep good stuff yesterday. As for those saying get rid of the drum we're not Bolton, maybe if a few more people in the Holte End could be bothered to get off there fat arses, open their mouths and join in the singing then we might not need a drum. But until they do I say stick with it.
Modern football supporters seem to think they're on a trip to the cinema if what I witnessed yesterday was anything to go by.
More like a funeral Pete.
Yep, you're right, the football may be shit but I've watched plenty of shit Football down at VP where there was some atmosphere as well.
Anything that stirs up some atmosphere is good in my book, get another drum!
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Can we have a saxophone aswell?
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Can we have a saxophone aswell?
Maybe that bloke and his full drum kit from that Icelandic team, who's name I'm not even going to try and spell, we played a couple of years back.
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Hafnarfjordur?
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Hafnarfjordur?
Thats the one ;-)
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Hafnarfjordur?
Bless you.
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I just knew that was coming!
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Can we have a saxophone aswell?
We should get this bloke in.
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Hafnarfjordur?
Wasn't he the doctor in The Man With Two Brains?
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Hate the drum! What's next music playing after we score a goal like at wolves and Bolton?
Although at the minute the music wouldn't be getting played much.
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What about Dion Dublin and his dube?
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Anyone see / hear the Stevenage fans? - impressive display of 90-minute vocal / accompanied team support. And not the usual hackneyed football songs.
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Anyone see / hear the Stevenage fans? - impressive display of 90-minute vocal / accompanied team support. And not the usual hackneyed football songs.
They seemed to be singing the same songs which I've not really heard anywhere else that the Palace fans were singing in the videos posted earlier in this thread.
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Anyone see / hear the Stevenage fans? - impressive display of 90-minute vocal / accompanied team support. And not the usual hackneyed football songs.
I know the Brigada lads are always trying to come up with new songs. So if you have ideas for songs either go to their site and check out the 'Song Ideas' thread or post them here. I'm sure they will be looked at with interest.
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Ajax fans do Bon Marley's "Three Little Birds" well... and the chorus sums up our current situation, hopefully!
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Ajax fans do Bon Marley's "Three Little Birds" well... and the chorus sums up our current situation, hopefully!
Agreed it sounds fantastic!
Like The Laughing Policeman said if anyone has any ideas for songs etc then post them on the Brigada site and if there any good one day the might get an airing!
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Ajax fans do Bon Marley's "Three Little Birds" well... and the chorus sums up our current situation, hopefully!
It's brilliant when they do that. Great song.
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The league cup win against everton in 70s - i'm sure the villa fans are singing "avfc, aston villa are magic". Sounds brilliant but never heard it sung at a game myself. worth a look on YouTube
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Bring back it a long way to Tipperary.
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Bring back it a long way to Tipperary.
Trouble is, it isn't such a long way since they built the N24.
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The league cup win against everton in 70s - i'm sure the villa fans are singing "avfc, aston villa are magic". Sounds brilliant but never heard it sung at a game myself. worth a look on YouTube
Watch the 77 cup final vid and just as extra time is about to start there is a chorus of how Viiiilllllaaaa, Viiiiiilllllaaa should be sung. Its the one thing I remember more than anything else as an 8 year old at that game, I dont even really remember the goals other than every body going wild. But that rendition really needs to be brought back. I guarntee goose bumps
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Where do these Brigada lads sit?
I sit in the Holte Upper and I can't say I have seen any flags or musical instruments etc?
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Lower Holte. L7 I think.
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L1 I think Lee. Top left-hand corner of lower tier (as you look at the Holte) anyway.
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Maybe why I haven't seen them then.
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Singing and shouting - good
Fucking drum - bad
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Is drum fucking legal in any civilised country?
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Sorry for the double post but anyone doubting the use of a drum turn onto the utd -ajax game! They sound shit when only 10 or so fans singing along with it but when numbers join in it sounds class!
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I remember in the late 60s, QPR fans had someone with a great big drum. Bloody awful it was. Bang ! Bang ! Boom ! Boom !
Eventually some opposition fans got hold of it and smashed the thing up.
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Is drum fucking legal in any civilised country?
Well, in the US series Dexter, the sister of the eponymous hero expresses her surprise by exclaiming "Fuck me in both ears!".
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It brings to mind the school bell ringer at Maine Road.
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It brings to mind the school bell ringer at Maine Road.
They'd probably ban her now.
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It brings to mind the school bell ringer at Maine Road.
They'd probably ban her now.
It seems light years away. How would she fit in now? The only common thread is they still have plenty of cheats in the side.
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It brings to mind the school bell ringer at Maine Road.
They'd probably ban her now.
It seems light years away. How would she fit in now? The only common thread is they still have plenty of cheats in the side.
The old social club, the corner of the Kippax, then the Platt Lane which was very empty with about 200 in there, looking out over all those alleys and terraces.
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It brings to mind the school bell ringer at Maine Road.
They'd probably ban her now.
It seems light years away. How would she fit in now? The only common thread is they still have plenty of cheats in the side.
The old social club, the corner of the Kippax, then the Platt Lane which was very empty with about 200 in there, looking out over all those alleys and terraces.
I used to like that club. The alleys were a different matter. Just getting back to the coaches was nothing like today's situation.
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They call them ginnels in Manchestoh.
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Ajax fans do Bon Marley's "Three Little Birds" well... and the chorus sums up our current situation, hopefully!
Fair play to the Utd DJ although the music was a bit loud.
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Anyone know the words to the hand clapping song the Brigada lads got going in the second half? I sit in L2 and couldn't work out the words despite only sitting a few feet away.
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Nearly got the ground going in the second half there lads!
Not sure what you were singing but the clapping spread along the Lower Holte and was just starting in the Trinity when it petered out.
I love you lot - if it was not for my lad being unable to stand the level of noise due his disability I would be there with you.
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It was the same as Ajax singing three little birds, we thought it was quite apt how we was playing, also lead to a goal!
Dont worry, about a thing,
Cause every little thing, gonna be alright
(VILLA)
Dont worry, about a thing,
Cause every little thing, gonna be alright
(VILLA)
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*Group Announcement*
The group has decided to move from L1 for next season. We're moving to an area where the group will be more visible, which is more conducive to displays and which will allow for further growth in the future.
We will announce on Monday lunchtime where we'll be sitting once all members have got their tickets.
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Why not just announce it now considering a lot of folks are renewing and some might want to join you?
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Why not just announce it now considering a lot of folks are renewing and some might want to join you?
We have members who arent able to sort out their seats till Monday am, as soon as this is done then we will announce, that's why we made this announcement so people didn't book up in L1.
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*Group Announcement*
The group has decided to move from L1 for next season. We're moving to an area where the group will be more visible, which is more conducive to displays and which will allow for further growth in the future.
We will announce on Monday lunchtime where we'll be sitting once all members have got their tickets.
it is great to hear you and "the drum" and it is great that it is being used to accompany the chants rather than being banged all the time through the game !
I sit just along from you lot and it is shame you are moving as it is great to hear you.
UTV
The Doc
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*Group Announcement*
The group has decided to move from L1 for next season. We're moving to an area where the group will be more visible, which is more conducive to displays and which will allow for further growth in the future.
We will announce on Monday lunchtime where we'll be sitting once all members have got their tickets.
Behind the dugout?
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*Group Announcement*
The group has decided to move from L1 for next season. We're moving to an area where the group will be more visible, which is more conducive to displays and which will allow for further growth in the future.
We will announce on Monday lunchtime where we'll be sitting once all members have got their tickets.
it is great to hear you and "the drum" and it is great that it is being used to accompany the chants rather than being banged all the time through the game !
I sit just along from you lot and it is shame you are moving as it is great to hear you.
UTV
The Doc
Thanks for the kind comments, the whole thing is a learning curve for the group L1 was ideal to find our feet but we found ourselves hidden away hopefully the new section will help the group flourish and encourage more to join in and get behind the team. We are hoping to do more visually next season and that would be wasted up in the corner of L1!
Kingthing in the dugout ;D
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*Group Announcement*
The group has decided to move from L1 for next season. We're moving to an area where the group will be more visible, which is more conducive to displays and which will allow for further growth in the future.
We will announce on Monday lunchtime where we'll be sitting once all members have got their tickets.
it is great to hear you and "the drum" and it is great that it is being used to accompany the chants rather than being banged all the time through the game !
I sit just along from you lot and it is shame you are moving as it is great to hear you.
UTV
The Doc
Thanks for the kind comments, the whole thing is a learning curve for the group L1 was ideal to find our feet but we found ourselves hidden away hopefully the new section will help the group flourish and encourage more to join in and get behind the team. We are hoping to do more visually next season and that would be wasted up in the corner of L1!
Kingthing in the dugout ;D
at the Fulham game even some of the elder statesman of block L3 were starting to clap along with you.
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*Group Announcement*
The group has decided to move from L1 for next season. We're moving to an area where the group will be more visible, which is more conducive to displays and which will allow for further growth in the future.
We will announce on Monday lunchtime where we'll be sitting once all members have got their tickets.
it is great to hear you and "the drum" and it is great that it is being used to accompany the chants rather than being banged all the time through the game !
I sit just along from you lot and it is shame you are moving as it is great to hear you.
UTV
The Doc
Could always move with us mate.
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He'll have a job as he doesn't know where you're going to be sitting ;)
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He'll have a job as he doesn't know where you're going to be sitting ;)
He will on Monday ;)
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sorry fellas, I have sat in the same seat with the same fickle, miserable lot for many years.
but thanks all the same
UTV
The Doc
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I have sat in the same seat with the same fickle, miserable lot for many years
The press box?
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it is great to hear you and "the drum" and it is great that it is being used to accompany the chants rather than being banged all the time through the game !
UTV
The Doc
I like what Brazil does with drums (and Lincoln City years ago). When the team starts building up to attack the beat gets louder and faster.
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Also lads, a lot of people are ''presuming'' where we are moving, also a lot of them people are wrong, very wrong. So if you do want to move with Brigada, don't take the chance of believing what a few are saying and just wait untill monday. UTV VTWD.
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I have sat in the same seat with the same fickle, miserable lot for many years
The press box?
the bench..
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It brings to mind the school bell ringer at Maine Road.
They'd probably ban her now.
It seems light years away. How would she fit in now? The only common thread is they still have plenty of cheats in the side.
The old social club, the corner of the Kippax, then the Platt Lane which was very empty with about 200 in there, looking out over all those alleys and terraces.
Sorry for picking up on this so late, I've not been on here much recently.
Ahh, those were the days. I always enjoyed going to Maine Road, although it sometimes felt a tad dodgy as you slipped down one of those ginnels (thanks, Percy) after a game. And I don't think I ever saw us win there.
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Why not just announce it now considering a lot of folks are renewing and some might want to join you?
We have members who arent able to sort out their seats till Monday am, as soon as this is done then we will announce, that's why we made this announcement so people didn't book up in L1.
I heard a rumour you are moving to P8. Can't seem the point of that. Surely the Hollte is where you need to be. No matter how hard you try, you won't get the people in the likes of the middle Witton Lane or Trinity to join in. It's the Holte End where our vocal support is. Of course the lower Noth Stand as well.
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Why not just announce it now considering a lot of folks are renewing and some might want to join you?
We have members who arent able to sort out their seats till Monday am, as soon as this is done then we will announce, that's why we made this announcement so people didn't book up in L1.
I heard a rumour you are moving to P8. Can't seem the point of that. Surely the Hollte is where you need to be. No matter how hard you try, you won't get the people in the likes of the middle Witton Lane or Trinity to join in. It's the Holte End where our vocal support is. Of course the lower Noth Stand as well.
It is purely a rumour about P8 it would make no sense whatsoever moving there. Looks like someone Villatalk made it up beyond me why someone would do that.
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That's where I picked it up from and thought it made no sense. The Holte end is where it's at!
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I think the Lower Witton Lane would be a good place. Could make it their own and I don't think that too many poeple would claim that they are a Witton Laner (or Doug Elliser) in the same way you'd take ownership of your place in the ground as a Holte ender, North Stand (er), or Trinity Rd (er). If you see what I mean.
Bottom, not top, and make the stand your own. Too much history in the other 3 sides and not a great deal in the Witton Lane.
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I think the Lower Witton Lane would be a good place. Could make it their own and I don't think that too many poeple would claim that they are a Witton Laner (or Doug Elliser) in the same way you'd take ownership of your place in the ground as a Holte ender, North Stand (er), or Trinity Rd (er). If you see what I mean.
Bottom, not top, and make the stand your own. Too much history in the other 3 sides and not a great deal in the Witton Lane.
Not a bad shout that, especially if they could get as near to the away fans as possible and drown them out.
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I think the Lower Witton Lane would be a good place. Could make it their own and I don't think that too many poeple would claim that they are a Witton Laner (or Doug Elliser) in the same way you'd take ownership of your place in the ground as a Holte ender, North Stand (er), or Trinity Rd (er). If you see what I mean.
Bottom, not top, and make the stand your own. Too much history in the other 3 sides and not a great deal in the Witton Lane.
Not a bad shout that, especially if they could get as near to the away fans as possible and drown them out.
Only thing about the lower Witton is that there's zero tv coverage.
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More chance of them being heard on TV though. Look how loud the away support sounds on TV, even when it's Wigan.
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More chance of them being heard on TV though. Look how loud the away support sounds on TV, even when it's Wigan.
They're upstairs and closer to a roof. Acoustics, acoustics, acoustics.
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Standing up isn't really going to be tolerated anywhere but the last rows of the Holte and Lower north. I'll head back to L block.
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They should come and join us in the Upper Trinity (obv, when i say "us", I mean "the people I currently sit near", as I won't be renewing next season, right comrades? *clenches fist*)
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Would be drowned out by the away fans in the Witton. Not really gonna get songs catching on.
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I think the Lower Witton Lane would be a good place. Could make it their own and I don't think that too many poeple would claim that they are a Witton Laner (or Doug Elliser) in the same way you'd take ownership of your place in the ground as a Holte ender, North Stand (er), or Trinity Rd (er). If you see what I mean.
Bottom, not top, and make the stand your own. Too much history in the other 3 sides and not a great deal in the Witton Lane.
Not a bad shout that, especially if they could get as near to the away fans as possible and drown them out.
Only thing about the lower Witton is that there's zero tv coverage.
True. Although it depends what they are after, creating a better atmosphere at the ground or self-publicity. In any case if they cause a stir I'm sure that any publicity, and tv coverage, would follow.
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I'm not sure travel rugs and flasks of tea are currently de-rigeur for your hard bitten ultra.
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Upper Trinity is a morgue. Oh for the days of the stamping of feet from the UT as it started off songs. Mind you, last season when all those kids were up there they did more to create an atmosphere for the last 15 mins or so against Wigan than the Holte had for weeks.
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I'm not sure travel rugs and flasks of tea are currently de-rigeur for your hard bitten ultra.
Got our own range of travel rugs and flasks out before August.
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I think the Lower Witton Lane would be a good place. Could make it their own and I don't think that too many poeple would claim that they are a Witton Laner (or Doug Elliser) in the same way you'd take ownership of your place in the ground as a Holte ender, North Stand (er), or Trinity Rd (er). If you see what I mean.
Bottom, not top, and make the stand your own. Too much history in the other 3 sides and not a great deal in the Witton Lane.
Not a bad shout that, especially if they could get as near to the away fans as possible and drown them out.
Only thing about the lower Witton is that there's zero tv coverage.
True. Although it depends what they are after, creating a better atmosphere at the ground or self-publicity. In any case if they cause a stir I'm sure that any publicity, and tv coverage, would follow.
I think their agenda is to create a better atmosphere at the ground.
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Upper Trinity is a morgue. Oh for the days of the stamping of feet from the UT as it started off songs. Mind you, last season when all those kids were up there they did more to create an atmosphere for the last 15 mins or so against Wigan than the Holte had for weeks.
It's not a morgue.
It makes morgues look like the Maracana.
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I think the Lower Witton Lane would be a good place. Could make it their own and I don't think that too many poeple would claim that they are a Witton Laner (or Doug Elliser) in the same way you'd take ownership of your place in the ground as a Holte ender, North Stand (er), or Trinity Rd (er). If you see what I mean.
Bottom, not top, and make the stand your own. Too much history in the other 3 sides and not a great deal in the Witton Lane.
Not a bad shout that, especially if they could get as near to the away fans as possible and drown them out.
Only thing about the lower Witton is that there's zero tv coverage.
True. Although it depends what they are after, creating a better atmosphere at the ground or self-publicity. In any case if they cause a stir I'm sure that any publicity, and tv coverage, would follow.
It's purely about atmosphere! The older lads want to get back something that recreates the atmosphere the old Holte used obviously it wont be the same. Then the younger lads want to try and witness that sort of atmosphere for themselves.
Ideally we want to make Villa Park an intimidating place to play for opposition players, obviously not the nasty violent intimidating but a wall of noise that gets under the skin of the oppo.
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With the festival summer season approaching us, maybe we could go with a bit of this. Better than I just can't get enough ;)
Have you seen her have you heard The way she plays there are no words To describe the way I feel
How could it ever come to pass She'll be the first she'll be the last To describe the way I feel
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With the festival summer season approaching us, maybe we could go with a bit of this. Better than I just can't get enough ;)
Have you seen her have you heard The way she plays there are no words To describe the way I feel
How could it ever come to pass She'll be the first she'll be the last To describe the way I feel
Now your talking! One of my favourite songs, the hard part is adapting it to Villa or a player.
I fancy a bit of Men at Work - Down Under for our growing Aussie contingent!
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They come from a land down under
Herdy blocks and Holman thunders
On your feet, on your feet Holte Enders
They're gonna run, they're gonna score for Villa
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They come from a land down under
Herdy blocks and Holman thunders
On your feet, on your feet Holte Enders
They're gonna run, they're gonna score for Villa
First two lines are great definitely a good start,
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With the festival summer season approaching us, maybe we could go with a bit of this. Better than I just can't get enough ;)
Have you seen her have you heard The way she plays there are no words To describe the way I feel
How could it ever come to pass She'll be the first she'll be the last To describe the way I feel
Now your talking! One of my favourite songs, the hard part is adapting it to Villa or a player.
I fancy a bit of Men at Work - Down Under for our growing Aussie contingent!
No need really to adapt it too one villa player. The "she" being Aston Villa.
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*Group Announcement*
As of next season we will be based in section L8. This will give the group a more visible presence, give us an area that is more conducive to tifos and allow the group more space to grow in the future. We'd like to thank all those in L2 who got behind the team so vocally this year and encourage anyone who wants to stay near the group or be in the section next year to relocate to L8. UTV.
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give us an area that is more conducive to tifos
Whats that mean then?
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give us an area that is more conducive to tifos
Whats that mean then?
Tifo's are displays by Ultras this is one by the Holmesdale Fanatics (Crystal Palace) for Speroni reaching a landmark amount of appearances
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Right.
I fucking hate Crystal Palace, I may have mentioned it before.
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As much as I wish you fellas well and like a good sing song I don't think I'll ever get my head round copying the likes of Crystal fucking Palace and the Italians, we're Villa, they should be copying us. Obv not the sycronised moaning about having to move your legs for two fucking seconds to let someone by or when the possession is kept rather than hoofed somewhere north of Bransons balloon.
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The group isn't copying Palace or the Italians the Ultras movement is and has been for a long time worldwide. Obviously we understand that not everyone will be into the scene but we hope that people understand that our aim is too bring back atmosphere back to VP.
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As much as I wish you fellas well and like a good sing song I don't think I'll ever get my head round copying the likes of Crystal fucking Palace and the Italians, we're Villa, they should be copying us. Obv not the sycronised moaning about having to move your legs for two fucking seconds to let someone by or when the possession is kept rather than hoofed somewhere north of Bransons balloon.
I don't know where you sit but in the Lower Holte you have to stand up to let someone by then they normally tread on your toes, knock your drink over all topped off with a nice beery whiff of "Sorry mate" repeat atleast 10 times over 90 minutes.
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I sit Lower Holte. Sorry mate, its probably usually me.
MON- As I said, good luck with it, I sincerely wish you well but its all a bit contrived for my liking, then again,I'm a miserable fucker.
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I was sort of expecting you to move to somewhere more central. But when you said L8 I can see your thinking, isn't that the area the club are looking at to use in any experiment for safe standing? Did you have any contact with the club about the move?
Right next to the Trinity too, you might get them stamping their feet again. ;)
Any chance of getting the stewards from L1 to transfer too? At least they know you and know what you are about. :)
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I was sort of expecting you to move to somewhere more central. But when you said L8 I can see your thinking, isn't that the area the club are looking at to use in any experiment for safe standing? Did you have any contact with the club about the move?
Right next to the Trinity too, you might get them stamping their feet again. ;)
Any chance of getting the stewards from L1 to transfer too? At least they know you and know what you are about. :)
I think you tend to get a lot of families in the central blocks so probably wouldn't work best for us, the most important thing is getting out of L1 although it's been enjoyable there we were out of sight now and next season we want to do a lot more visual stuff and as mentioned in the announcement we firmly believe that L8 will help us pull this off.
The point about the stewards is spot on and it would be great if that happened we just have to hope that we get a similar response from the ones in our new home.
TBH i don't recall anyone mentioning the safe standing experiment when choosing the L8.
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My neighbour is a die-hard Millwall fan and he was telling me about Palace's visit to the Den this season.
Normally Millwall spend most of the games against Palace taking the piss out of their support and laughing at them while the Palace fans usually try not to draw any attention to themselves but this season he told me that Palace created a fantastic atmosphere. It must take something special to get any sort of acknowledgement from Millwall fans.
I still hate Palace though - and I've never seen Villa win at Selhurst Park
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I was impressed with the atmospere at Palace when we went there 2 years ago in the FA Cup. They were never a club who's support registered much with me before that, but that bottom corner to our left never shut up.
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My neighbour is a die-hard Millwall fan and he was telling me about Palace's visit to the Den this season.
Normally Millwall spend most of the games against Palace taking the piss out of their support and laughing at them while the Palace fans usually try not to draw any attention to themselves but this season he told me that Palace created a fantastic atmosphere. It must take something special to get any sort of acknowledgement from Millwall fans.
I still hate Palace though - and I've never seen Villa win at Selhurst Park
Charlton 1990.
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My neighbour is a die-hard Millwall fan and he was telling me about Palace's visit to the Den this season.
Normally Millwall spend most of the games against Palace taking the piss out of their support and laughing at them while the Palace fans usually try not to draw any attention to themselves but this season he told me that Palace created a fantastic atmosphere. It must take something special to get any sort of acknowledgement from Millwall fans.
I still hate Palace though - and I've never seen Villa win at Selhurst Park
Charlton 1990.
That was my first away game on an official coach - took forever to get there, missed the first goal (Dessa Mountfield?), played in the white/black kit & all round great day for a 12 year old.
Hated every visit since!
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What ever the thoughts of there team, there group are doing very well for them selves, players have been with them pre match/during they've even been on the pitch to present a player of the season trophy from themselves.
Be good to see quite a few more relocating to L8.
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Liked your article in H&V, spreading the word, keep up the good work.
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Glad you enjoyed the article thanks.
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I agree. It was a good article in the new H&V.
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Am I in a minority of one by asking that the crowd gives it to McLeish, loud and large for 90 minutes against Chelsea next week? The players tell us that it affects them, yes I understand that, but they deserve some stick too for being overpaid pansies. Petrov should have been shot for that non-tackle yesterday for Arsenal's goal, they deserve a roasting. Everyone at Villa is letting down the fans at present. I have never known such a boring and pointless season as this. Even when Billy McNeill was in charge and I followed them al over the country, the football was better to watch.
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Personally I'd rather support my team.
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Personally I'd rather support my team.
And I'd normally agree and have never boo'd whilst watching Villa myself, but unless there is a concerted effort against McLeish, inside the ground, rather a few fans doing it before the game when no one is watching, they won't listen.
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Personally I'd rather support my team.
Same as man and cheers Dave mate, glad you liked it, can't wait to see it myself.
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Am I in a minority of one by asking that the crowd gives it to McLeish, loud and large for 90 minutes against Chelsea next week? The players tell us that it affects them, yes I understand that, but they deserve some stick too for being overpaid pansies. Petrov should have been shot for that non-tackle yesterday for Arsenal's goal, they deserve a roasting. Everyone at Villa is letting down the fans at present. I have never known such a boring and pointless season as this. Even when Billy McNeill was in charge and I followed them al over the country, the football was better to watch.
1986/7, what was good about losing at home to arse 4-0, to norwich 4-1, to spurs 3-0, and away 6-0 at forest, 5-0 away to southampton the list goes on and on many more 3-0's we were a hell of a lot worse then and we still supported our team as you say you did, we are still here today, lets get behind the boys.
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Am I in a minority of one by asking that the crowd gives it to McLeish, loud and large for 90 minutes against Chelsea next week? The players tell us that it affects them, yes I understand that, but they deserve some stick too for being overpaid pansies. Petrov should have been shot for that non-tackle yesterday for Arsenal's goal, they deserve a roasting. Everyone at Villa is letting down the fans at present. I have never known such a boring and pointless season as this. Even when Billy McNeill was in charge and I followed them al over the country, the football was better to watch.
1986/7, what was good about losing at home to arse 4-0, to norwich 4-1, to spurs 3-0, and away 6-0 at forest, 5-0 away to southampton the list goes on and on many more 3-0's we were a hell of a lot worse then and we still supported our team as you say you did, we are still here today, lets get behind the boys.
Well said, 86/87 was the most dire season in memory. That saints 5-0 away, we were 2 down in 5mins and it could have been 3..We were pathectic and abysmal..its a good job, the internet werent around then!!!!!
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Am I in a minority of one by asking that the crowd gives it to McLeish, loud and large for 90 minutes against Chelsea next week? The players tell us that it affects them, yes I understand that, but they deserve some stick too for being overpaid pansies. Petrov should have been shot for that non-tackle yesterday for Arsenal's goal, they deserve a roasting. Everyone at Villa is letting down the fans at present. I have never known such a boring and pointless season as this. Even when Billy McNeill was in charge and I followed them al over the country, the football was better to watch.
1986/7, what was good about losing at home to arse 4-0, to norwich 4-1, to spurs 3-0, and away 6-0 at forest, 5-0 away to southampton the list goes on and on many more 3-0's we were a hell of a lot worse then and we still supported our team as you say you did, we are still here today, lets get behind the boys.
Well said, 86/87 was the most dire season in memory. That saints 5-0 away, we were 2 down in 5mins and it could have been 3..We were pathectic and abysmal..its a good job, the internet werent around then!!!!!
The season isn't over yet. And then there is next season under the Ginja Genius, whatever division we may find ourselves in. We could be longing for the days when we only lost 3-0 away at Doncaster under the other football Einstein we had here.
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For some reason i thought this was a thread about BRIGADA1874, and as far as i am aware they are a group that is up for SUPPORTING 100% the team AVFC during games, not another boring thread about how negative/rubbish/ginger AMc is.
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My neighbour is a die-hard Millwall fan and he was telling me about Palace's visit to the Den this season.
Normally Millwall spend most of the games against Palace taking the piss out of their support and laughing at them while the Palace fans usually try not to draw any attention to themselves but this season he told me that Palace created a fantastic atmosphere. It must take something special to get any sort of acknowledgement from Millwall fans.
I still hate Palace though - and I've never seen Villa win at Selhurst Park
Charlton 1990.
I was at that one.
Didn't we win 2-0?
Missed the first 20 minutes of it.
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For some reason i thought this was a thread about BRIGADA1874, and as far as i am aware they are a group that is up for SUPPORTING 100% the team AVFC during games, not another boring thread about how negative/rubbish/ginger AMc is.
Quite right.
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Anyone know anywhere that has a large floorspace that we could use tomorrow morning from 9am Aston area ideally?
Cheers in advance
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Anyone know anywhere that has a large floorspace that we could use tomorrow morning from 9am Aston area ideally?
Cheers in advance
A quick call to the club now and I'm sure they'll be accomodating.
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Assuming it's to do a Petrov display, maybe ask the club?
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Too much generally going on at VP on match day, ideally a pub function room or even a car park will do
Yeah we wanna do something for Stan
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The Ads?
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The Ads?
Wouldnt work we need possibly till 1/2 o'clock obviously the Ad's would be filling up by then, ideally a pub that has a function room that is unused
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The Ads?
Wouldnt work we need possibly till 1/2 o'clock obviously the Ad's would be filling up by then, ideally a pub that has a function room that is unused
Upstairs at the Holte Hotel. Speak to the club.
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The Ads?
Wouldnt work we need possibly till 1/2 o'clock obviously the Ad's would be filling up by then, ideally a pub that has a function room that is unused
Upstairs at the Holte Hotel. Speak to the club.
Our contact in the club has gone quiet on us so if anyone can help???
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Upstairs at the Barton's?
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Upstairs at the Barton's?
Or failing that you could try the Aston Social Club.
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Upstairs at the Barton's?
good call, we know the manager there!
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aston arena mate £2 a pint and us in L 2 go in there with the kids .
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aston arena mate £2 a pint and us in L 2 go in there with the kids .
think we sorted but thanks for the suggestion
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Petrov should have been shot for that non-tackle yesterday for Arsenal's goal
That was moronic when you posted it. Now even more so.
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Petrov should have been shot for that non-tackle yesterday for Arsenal's goal
That was moronic when you posted it. Now even more so.
I'm sure the poster didn't know what we would learn today when they posted that.
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Petrov should have been shot for that non-tackle yesterday for Arsenal's goal
That was moronic when you posted it. Now even more so.
Christ, that's a bit harsh, isn't it?
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Just pointing out that suggesting someone is shot because of a poor tackle, could make you look like a pillock. And it has.
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Just pointing out that suggesting someone is shot because of a poor tackle, could make you look like a pillock. And it has.
Yes, if you're taking it literally, but with specific reference to today's news? How was he supposed to know that last week?
Maybe I'm missing something, but it just struck me as somewhat harsh.
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Maybe it was harsh. Feel slightly emotional at the moment.
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On a lighter note, if you are in The Bartons pre match, say hello. I am relying on you rallying people the other side of the Lower Holte come 19 minutes.
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We'll defo get the clapping going mate.
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Was great buying the H+V and seeing the middle pages, cheers again.
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Beautiful, well done chaps.
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I was very impressed with your efforts at the Spurs game. A lot of work had gone into that. I hope it is the nucleus of a mental Holte End next season.
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L8 is the place to be for 100% atmosphere/singing throughout the whole match in a revived Holte End under our new man PL, he has even swapped dugouts to be nearer BRIGADA 1874!
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L8 is the place to be for 100% atmosphere/singing throughout the whole match in a revived Holte End under our new man PL, he has even swapped dugouts to be nearer BRIGADA 1874!
I note that L8 and L9 (Enclosure) are both areas of reduced prices. This means they will be full for every game which can only help with the noise created. I also think that the acoustics in that corner are better than where they were last season.
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Absolutley DCF, that was one of the reasons, along with subs, manager and other staff seeing us giving it OUR all when they are warming up and hopefully being seen on match day tv coverage with flags, 2 sticks etc and most important of all.................................................NOISE !
UTV
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I think you will see it spread around the ground this season. I have been concerned for many years about noise levels generated at Villa Park and the same humdrum chants. Brigade 1874 is an excellent initiative and I wish you all every success. Just hope it spreads to P8!
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What Dave said.
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I was in L8 for the Spurs game and missed this - Excellent work lads.
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As the match against Everton will be our first game as a group in L8 we've decided to take the unusual step to publish our plans so that people in the section who aren't group members know what's going on.
For the game on Saturday we've got a display planned that will take up the back part of L8, from around row MM backwards.
The display will include a static surfer and a number of small tifo flags either side of the surfer. These flags will be taped to the seats as you arrive.
As the players come out we'll raise the surfer and if you've got a flag on your seat then get it flying. The surfer is to remain static so if it's not over you don't try and grab it.
Once the game kicks off we'll drop the surfer.
At the end of the game a member of the group will come round to collect the flags, this isn't because we're stingy bastards it's because one day we want enough of these to cover large swathes of the Holte.
All going well this should be a nice little display to get the season at VP started, we appreciate your cooperation in making it work.
UTV
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Keep up the good work! :)
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Sounds fun. Call me stupid, but what's a surfer?
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Really, how you've got the front to continue this following the formation of the impressive "Foreskin Small Heath" is too much.
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Sounds fun. Call me stupid, but what's a surfer?
See that big Petrov banner? That's a surfer.
I haven't had the fortune of seeing this "Atmosphere Group" from the sty though i hear that they're gigging the Glee Club soon?
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Good work :) maybe attach a note to the flags to let people know these will be collected after the match
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I think we should have a swear jar amnesty tomorrow. If you hear somebody saying something negative or moaning at any point tomorrow, them them a old fashioned clip round the ear! :)
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Brigada's job tomorrow should be to get Karim El Ahmadi, Rock the Cashbah going..........
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Brigada's job tomorrow should be to get Karim El Ahmadi, Rock the Cashbah going..........
Hearing the whole of the Holte belting that out will be magnificent.
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How did it go? Didn't go to the game myself.
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We was in the middle of it so hard to say, heard a few people say the surfer wasn't stretched out well enough so not sure, atmosphere wise was brilliant first 10 or so mins, hard to get people going when getting smashed like that though. If anyone has any pics by the way, get them up. VTID.
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Couldn't see a lot from P8.70 minutes in it looked like a laugh down there.
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Why did they sing the Tracie Andrews song last night?
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Why did they sing the Tracie Andrews song last night?
Yes, needs asking, and needs addressing if Brigada don't want to lose the goodwill they have garnered and also don't want to look like a bunch of ignorant twunts.
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Why did they sing the Tracie Andrews song last night?
Simple answer is that we didn't mate, that was some chap in a hat about 10 yards in front of us to the right.
I don't particulalrly like the tracey andrews songs at the best fo times, but no members were singing it last night.
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Did you tell him to shut up?
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Why did they sing the Tracie Andrews song last night?
Simple answer is that we didn't mate, that was some chap in a hat about 10 yards in front of us to the right.
I don't particulalrly like the tracey andrews songs at the best fo times, but no members were singing it last night.
In that case, I'm impressed that he managed to make himself sound like 10 people singing in unison.
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Was this the bloke in the hat?
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Why did they sing the Tracie Andrews song last night?
Simple answer is that we didn't mate, that was some chap in a hat about 10 yards in front of us to the right.
I don't particulalrly like the tracey andrews songs at the best fo times, but no members were singing it last night.
In that case, I'm impressed that he managed to make himself sound like 10 people singing in unison.
Perhaps other people were singing it but i can assure you none of the group were. It wasn't exclusively Brigada 1874 who were making up chants and is it not plausible that other people were joining in with this bloke who aren't in the group?
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That is good to hear (not the chant obviously).
How do you know who is “in” the group. Do people need to join?
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That is good to hear (not the chant obviously).
How do you know who is “in” the group. Do people need to join?
Group members are those that attend meetings get involved in producing banners etc and pay subs! People obviously don't need to be a member to get involved with the singing/chanting.
If anyone is interested in doing more then just speak to any of the lads at the game or on the forum.
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Then next time shout (or sing!) down those in the wrong.
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Then next time shout (or sing!) down those in the wrong.
That’s a simple but important point. You guys are doing great stuff but in many ways you’ve become the spokesmen of Villa fans and with that comes responsibility to do things correctly, in the Villa way.
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They surely can't be held responsible for everything sung by Villa fans?
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They surely can't be held responsible for everything sung by Villa fans?
I am speaking out of turn here however, but if they’re singing “villa songs” then they need to understand that some are unacceptable.
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But what's that got to do with them being responsible for what others sing?
Not being argumantative here, just don't get how your point relates to what you've quoted.
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Indeed, why have they got more responsibility to put a stop to the unacceptable songs of others than say, the people complaining about the songs?
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Then next time shout (or sing!) down those in the wrong.
That’s a simple but important point. You guys are doing great stuff but in many ways you’ve become the spokesmen of Villa fans and with that comes responsibility to do things correctly, in the Villa way.
How have they?
They're a bunch of kids bringing flags and making a noise, good luck to them, but they don't have any particular responsibility beyond that of anyone in the ground.
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Then next time shout (or sing!) down those in the wrong.
Did you ?
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Yes.
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I'm not a fan of the old 'Tracey Andrews is evil' type thing, though I agree the song out of order. Still, I wonder how much offence it really causes? I never heard it from where I was, and I know it. If you don't know it, I doubt you'd pick up on the words.
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I find it offensive. And I can just imagine the reaction if the roles were reversed and small heath sang about killing Villa fans. And in a crowd that small and all in fairly small area it's pretty easy to hear the words.
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I was in the centre of the Trinity and the song was definitely sung. I may be wrong to assume it was Brigada, however, it was only them and the group of kids to their right that were making any noise through the night.
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she is not worthy of anybody's singing.
Murdering bitch.
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Yeah, murdering beaten-girlfriend self-defending bitch.
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beaten-girlfriend self-defending
She was? I don't remember reading any of that in the tabloids.
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Do you remember reading about what those Liverpool fans got up to at Hillsborough in the tabloids? How did that go?
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I'm just saying I haven't heard the other side of the story.
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Yeah, murdering beaten-girlfriend self-defending bitch.
Is that right ?
If so then that would open a new can of worms.
Never knew that was the case Percy.
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I was in the centre of the Trinity and the song was definitely sung. I may be wrong to assume it was Brigada, however, it was only them and the group of kids to their right that were making any noise through the night.
None of the lads sang it, obviously one of the problems the group face is that people attracted to the atmosphere created tag along, then starting singing shite like the song in question, but I know for a fact the Tracy Andrews song and any others of that ilk haven't and wont ever feature in the Brigada songbook!
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From what I remember back then, weren't the only corroborated reports of domestic violence her attacking him? As well as some of her ex's saying she'd been violent to them as well?
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From what I remember back then, weren't the only corroborated reports of domestic violence her attacking him? As well as some of her ex's saying she'd been violent to them as well?
That's how I remember it aswell.
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I knew one of her ex-es. She was fine with him and they remained friends. Obviously, that means nothing pertinent, just saying. He's passed away now, but she didn't do it.
Still, it was a violent relationship, and I think if she hadn't tried to blag it, and gone self-defence from the start, she'd be out now.
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I knew one of her ex-es. She was fine with him and they remained friends. Obviously, that means nothing pertinent, just saying.
Still, it was a violent relationship, and I think if she hadn't tried to blag it, and gone self-defence from the start, she'd be out now.
She is out. She was released last year.
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Sorry, meant she'd have got a shorter sentence. Is it over 14 years ago then? Wow, time flies.
Anyway, they've both got relatives, so I'm going to leave it. I've got no problem if Mods want to delete anything they see fit.
Final word from me, the song is ridiculous and doesn't do anyone any favours, including The Villa.
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I was in the centre of the Trinity and the song was definitely sung. I may be wrong to assume it was Brigada, however, it was only them and the group of kids to their right that were making any noise through the night.
None of the lads sang it, obviously one of the problems the group face is that people attracted to the atmosphere created tag along, then starting singing shite like the song in question, but I know for a fact the Tracy Andrews song and any others of that ilk haven't and wont ever feature in the Brigada songbook!
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Very glad to hear that.
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I'm not a fan of the old 'Tracey Andrews is evil' type thing, though I agree the song out of order. Still, I wonder how much offence it really causes? I never heard it from where I was, and I know it. If you don't know it, I doubt you'd pick up on the words.
The family and friends of Lee Harvey
I find it offensive. And I can just imagine the reaction if the roles were reversed and small heath sang about killing Villa fans. And in a crowd that small and all in fairly small area it's pretty easy to hear the words.
One fell under Aston Bridge is one of theirs, thankfully its only the small minority of both teams that sing pathetic songs!
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Right the group get a lot of bad publicity, today there was an stand off with guys who obviously don't agree with the group but grabbing 17 yr old lads by the throat is uncalled for. The same two guys who we believe were responsibly for the calls to WM continued to complain about the group even though no flags or banners were restricting their views of the game infact on of the guys claimed that L8 was "his" block.
We are not expecting everyone to be behind us but we expect the right to sing and get behind the boys!
UTV
Forza Brigada!
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Right the group get a lot of bad publicity, today there was an stand off with guys who obviously don't agree with the group but grabbing 17 yr old lads by the throat is uncalled for. The same two guys who we believe were responsibly for the calls to WM continued to complain about the group even though no flags or banners were restricting their views of the game infact on of the guys claimed that L8 was "his" block.
We are not expecting everyone to be behind us but we expect the right to sing and get behind the boys!
UTV
Forza Brigada!
You should have called a steward in to tell the blokes to calm down. Sounds like you have started to develop a relationship with the club and I am sure they would be prepared to listen to you.
Good luck with your support and raising the noise levels.
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Right the group get a lot of bad publicity, today there was an stand off with guys who obviously don't agree with the group but grabbing 17 yr old lads by the throat is uncalled for. The same two guys who we believe were responsibly for the calls to WM continued to complain about the group even though no flags or banners were restricting their views of the game infact on of the guys claimed that L8 was "his" block.
We are not expecting everyone to be behind us but we expect the right to sing and get behind the boys!
UTV
Forza Brigada!
Do you know what these guys issues are with you.
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I thought the Brigada fans kept the support going well yesterday. They even had the rest of the Holte following a few times.
It would be good if they could try and introduce some new songs as well.
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With reference to yesterdays problems. There's an interesting letter in the new issue of H&V from Joe Brewer, which might provide a solution.
Hopefully the Brigada lads, the other season ticket holders in L8 and the club could get together to try and sort things out to the satisfaction of all concerned.
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With reference to yesterdays problems. There's an interesting letter in the new issue of H&V from Joe Brewer, which might provide a solution.
Hopefully the Brigada lads, the other season ticket holders in L8 and the club could get together to try and sort things out to the satisfaction of all concerned.
As far as i know it is two guy's that have a problem obviously the guy who throttled one of our younger lads and the guy who sits next to him. The aggressor was intent on trouble as he was he pal who offered various members a fight during the game. It's very apparent these guys dislike the group but everyone else in the block were fantastic and the atmosphere was great.
Credit to the stewards who communicated with the group throughout the game and ensured we could pull of our small display smoothly.
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With reference to yesterdays problems. There's an interesting letter in the new issue of H&V from Joe Brewer, which might provide a solution.
Hopefully the Brigada lads, the other season ticket holders in L8 and the club could get together to try and sort things out to the satisfaction of all concerned.
As far as i know it is two guy's that have a problem obviously the guy who throttled one of our younger lads and the guy who sits next to him. The aggressor was intent on trouble as he was he pal who offered various members a fight during the game. It's very apparent these guys dislike the group but everyone else in the block were fantastic and the atmosphere was great.
Credit to the stewards who communicated with the group throughout the game and ensured we could pull of our small display smoothly.
Are they part of the 'firm' or just 2 guys who enjoy silence at a football match? What provoked them to go for members? Anyway keep up the good work.
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Are they part of the 'firm' or just 2 guys who enjoy silence at a football match?
This
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With reference to yesterdays problems. There's an interesting letter in the new issue of H&V from Joe Brewer, which might provide a solution.
Hopefully the Brigada lads, the other season ticket holders in L8 and the club could get together to try and sort things out to the satisfaction of all concerned.
As far as i know it is two guy's that have a problem obviously the guy who throttled one of our younger lads and the guy who sits next to him. The aggressor was intent on trouble as he was he pal who offered various members a fight during the game. It's very apparent these guys dislike the group but everyone else in the block were fantastic and the atmosphere was great.
Credit to the stewards who communicated with the group throughout the game and ensured we could pull of our small display smoothly.
Well if he's grabbed one of your group by the throat then is that enough to get him stripped of his season ticket? That's before you even go into the threats they were giving out - it looks like one of them acted on it. Hard man going for a kid. Report him to the club.
If it is these two, and only these two who are complaining about your group then they're on a sticky wicket.
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Hard to say anything without knowing both sides of the story. Maybe the 17yo got gobby. Maybe other members of the group did. Maybe the 2 blokes are twunts. But we shouldn't be basing replies on one point of view.
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Hard to say anything without knowing both sides of the story. Maybe the 17yo got gobby. Maybe other members of the group did. Maybe the 2 blokes are twunts. But we shouldn't be basing replies on one point of view.
Agreed, but if there's a grievance then going to the club is the best thing to do before anything really bad happens.
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Pride of Brum papermill vs the Baggies
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Have you moved to the other side of the Holte then?
You were in L1 last year weren't you?
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Good stuff. How many members are there now?
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JJ - Yeah moved over to L8 as L1 was out of the way.
ITBR - Roughly about 20 sub paying members.
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were these kids the same ones that were at southampton and spent the whole of the second half gesturing to home fans and offering them outside for a fight? so much for being a "non-violent" group.
no doubt you'll try to deny it again though, as you did with the chanting at villa park the other week. of course, the 'brigada 1874' scarves they were holding aloft were a figment of my imagination...
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were these kids the same ones that were at southampton and spent the whole of the second half gesturing to home fans and offering them outside for a fight? so much for being a "non-violent" group.
no doubt you'll try to deny it again though, as you did with the chanting at villa park the other week. of course, the 'brigada 1874' scarves they were holding aloft were a figment of my imagination...
Both you and I know your lying!
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were these kids the same ones that were at southampton and spent the whole of the second half gesturing to home fans and offering them outside for a fight? so much for being a "non-violent" group.
Either your using "kids" as a snipe at the group or the first part of the sentence is as dishonest as the last.
I was with the group at Southampton, i'm 29 years old and no one was being offered out.
no doubt you'll try to deny it again though, as you did with the chanting at villa park the other week. of course, the 'brigada 1874' scarves they were holding aloft were a figment of my imagination...
I'm not sure what chanting has been denied but I don't agree with the supposition that denying a lie that someone else has made up to tarnish you is clearly a sign of guilt. ::)
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An image that's appeared from a recent game of the Brigada lads
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I noticed that the Brigada guys now have there very own team of stewards to keep them company.
We up in P8 have a team as well, they sit between us and the away section, it was quite funny against Reading as the stewards were still there seperating us from the whole of the empty upper away section!
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I noticed that the Brigada guys now have there very own team of stewards to keep them company.
We up in P8 have a team as well, they sit between us and the away section, it was quite funny against Reading as the stewards were still there seperating us from the whole of the empty upper away section!
We've had a few all seaosn, then at Norwich at home they multiplied like mogwai who'd come into contact with water. They even checked peoples tickets on entrance to L8 to make sure people without tickets in the section weren't getting involved. For the game against Reading we only had 2 viewers who took notes throughout the game, presumably allocating scores on noise and coreography.
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JJ - Yeah moved over to L8 as L1 was out of the way.
ITBR - Roughly about 20 sub paying members.
Ahh, that explains why more songs are now emanating from the left side; I wondered why that was happening!
Good stuff.
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I actually heard a "left side" chant on Tuesday probably for the first time in 15 years. I used to love it at the back of the old Holte End just to the left of the barrier...
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I actually heard a "left side" chant on Tuesday probably for the first time in 15 years. I used to love it at the back of the old Holte End just to the left of the barrier...
Hence my username!
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from last night
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Could do with this hanging off the Upper Holte.... keep it up
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looked good from upper north then it seemed to disappear.
If we fight like Millwall Lions we'd have a better chance.
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looked good from upper north then it seemed to disappear.
If we fight like Millwall Lions we'd have a better chance.
Its the lack of claws on our badge that done it!
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looked good from upper north then it seemed to disappear.
If we fight like Millwall Lions we'd have a better chance.
I doubt the lads wanted to hold it there all game ;)
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from last night
Well done lads. Noticed the banner last night, looked great. Dont let the miserable bastards grind you down!! Keep up the good work.
Do you plan on getting something going like Stretford End Flags in the longer term? We could do with changing those banners in the Holte, they are looking pretty tired these days.
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There was also a pretty poor effort of a flag (bedsheet) before the match in the Upper Holte.
After much squinting it seemed to refer to "something something something beloved Villa something"?
Could Brigada help others get their contrasts in order so I can read them please ;-)
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BRIGADA 1874
"Tough times never last, but tough people do"
VTWD
Beautiful banner lads.
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There was also a pretty poor effort of a flag (bedsheet) before the match in the Upper Holte.
After much squinting it seemed to refer to "something something something beloved Villa something"?
Could Brigada help others get their contrasts in order so I can read them please ;-)
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There was also a pretty poor effort of a flag (bedsheet) before the match in the Upper Holte.
After much squinting it seemed to refer to "something something something beloved Villa something"?
Could Brigada help others get their contrasts in order so I can read them please ;-)
Cheers Leeg
Get more paint on it lads!
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Is there an apostrophe?
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No, just a stain. Close-up is on the Newcastle Post-Match Thread.
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from last night
Great stuff
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BRIGADA 1874
"Tough times never last, but tough people do"
VTWD
Beautiful banner lads.
FORZA BRIGADA!
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Nice one .
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Carbon Neutral aint happy wid dat
Him fuk u up 2 time
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FUCK MODERN FOOTBALL
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Surprised they let you take that in after seeing others being denied banners.
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Now that Sky banner is a good one.
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Now that Sky banner is a good one.
Agreed.
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Absolutely excellent, keep it up.
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Fantastic!
It's time to start fighting for our game back, regardless of your teams colours.
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Very good.
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Great work!
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We sit in the Upper Trinity and can hear you lot but can't see!
Great banners ki££ modern footba££!
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Hope all those agreeing with the sentiments don't have Murdoch subscriptions.
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Perhaps you could use the sky pic on the next issue Dave with a Keys and Gray pun.
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If this is going to be meaningful you need to be sitting where the cameras can see it. That will usually be in the Lower Trinity.
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Hope all those agreeing with the sentiments don't have Murdoch subscriptions.
I have Sky so I can watch movies, docs and other channels...
I don't have the Sports Channels. Not sure where this puts me but I agree with all of the above sentiments.
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Hope all those agreeing with the sentiments don't have Murdoch subscriptions.
Why?
I think Lerner and Lambert are stealing Villa's soul but I still pay - through gritted teeth, admittedly - to go to Villa games.
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Fantastic!
It's time to start fighting for our game back, regardless of your teams colours.
Im sure it was the Owners of the football clubs who took the money offered rather than Sky imposing it on them
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Hope all those agreeing with the sentiments don't have Murdoch subscriptions.
I don't. Fuck Sky.
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Hope all those agreeing with the sentiments don't have Murdoch subscriptions.
I don't. Fuck Sky.
O2 Phone and Broadband have recently announced they are selling out to BSkyB, and I rang them up to cancel my account, but they offered me a year's free broadband, the dirty bribing bastards. Still, cuts down on the bills.
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Hope all those agreeing with the sentiments don't have Murdoch subscriptions.
Never have; never will
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If this is going to be meaningful you need to be sitting where the cameras can see it. That will usually be in the Lower Trinity.
You think Sky would show it? ;D
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This was tweeted by Football Away Days (@awaydays_) who have 39.1k followers. They also tweeted a fantastic picture of a full Holte End from way back when.
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Fantastic!
It's time to start fighting for our game back, regardless of your teams colours.
Im sure it was the Owners of the football clubs who took the money offered rather than Sky imposing it on them
Thats the trouble, they didnt really steal anything, they offered loads of cash for it and the football clubs could hardly wait to accept. Sounds good and looks good though. Perhaps 'you sold our soul to sky you bastards' might be a catchy one for the future.
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Fantastic!
It's time to start fighting for our game back, regardless of your teams colours.
Trouble is, what do you do? What do you fight? Something has been broken, that's for sure. Not obvious how to fix it.
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Hope all those agreeing with the sentiments don't have Murdoch subscriptions.
I don't. Fuck Sky.
O2 Phone and Broadband have recently announced they are selling out to BSkyB, and I rang them up to cancel my account, but they offered me a year's free broadband, the dirty bribing bastards. Still, cuts down on the bills.
You stick it to the man!
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My Mrs hates it when I get the 'sky rep' approaches us when shopping in places like Merry Hill. The tirade of abuse they get from my mouth almost made a grown man cry the last time I was approached.
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Fantastic!
It's time to start fighting for our game back, regardless of your teams colours.
Trouble is, what do you do? What do you fight? Something has been broken, that's for sure. Not obvious how to fix it.
We could start by regarding other teams' supporters as allies rather than enemies.
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Fantastic!
It's time to start fighting for our game back, regardless of your teams colours.
Trouble is, what do you do? What do you fight? Something has been broken, that's for sure. Not obvious how to fix it.
We could start by regarding other teams' supporters as allies rather than enemies.
Yep like this joint banner between Citeh and Liverpool
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Hope all those agreeing with the sentiments don't have Murdoch subscriptions.
Why?
Seriously?
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Brilliant. Bonus points for having my leg tattoo on the left hand banner.
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Where will Brigada be next season?
I am moving my ST into the Holte from the Upper Trinity and fancy a sing-song ;-)
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They will be everywhere. Omnipresent, as Legion would say.
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The passing of the big banner at the start of the game looked very impressive from P6. Well done, chaps.
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Where will Brigada be next season?
I am moving my ST into the Holte from the Upper Trinity and fancy a sing-song ;-)
Staying in L8.
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Brilliant lads, keep it up.
FUCK OFF di canio ad infinitum
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I notice the anti-fascist symbol in claret and blue colours to the left of the main banner. Whilst I am as opposed to fascism as the next man, there is something about overtly political banners at Villa Park that I find uncomfortable. I really don't like mixing politics and football. And you can't spell grandad.
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I notice the anti-fascist symbol in claret and blue colours to the left of the main banner. Whilst I am as opposed to fascism as the next man, there is something about overtly political banners at Villa Park that I find uncomfortable. I really don't like mixing politics and football. And you can't spell grandad.
We don't like openly fascist managers at Villa park.
Secondly I think you'll find granddad can be spelt both ways check the Oxford English if you don't believe me! We're not the Green Brigade we can spell!
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I notice the anti-fascist symbol in claret and blue colours to the left of the main banner. Whilst I am as opposed to fascism as the next man, there is something about overtly political banners at Villa Park that I find uncomfortable. I really don't like mixing politics and football. And you can't spell grandad.
We don't like openly fascist managers at Villa park.
Secondly I think you'll find granddad can be spelt both ways check the Oxford English if you don't believe me! We're not the Green Brigade we can spell!
I agree with freethinker. Stick to what your group are very good at ....creating noise and atmosphere and showing your full support for the club especially when the rest of the ground goes quiet. Who other clubs choose as their manager is not our concern really. Even if it's an eejit like Di Canio.
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I notice the anti-fascist symbol in claret and blue colours to the left of the main banner. Whilst I am as opposed to fascism as the next man, there is something about overtly political banners at Villa Park that I find uncomfortable. I really don't like mixing politics and football. And you can't spell grandad.
We don't like openly fascist managers at Villa park.
Secondly I think you'll find granddad can be spelt both ways check the Oxford English if you don't believe me! We're not the Green Brigade we can spell!
I agree with freethinker. Stick to what your group are very good at ....creating noise and atmosphere and showing your full support for the club especially when the rest of the ground goes quiet. Who other clubs choose as their manager is not our concern really. Even if it's an eejit like Di Canio.
I disagree with Freethinker. I thought it was a witty banner that was relevant to the opposition we were playing. As for restricting the messages that are displayed does that mean any comments on the state of the modern game in banners should also be considered taboo? If Brigada were displaying overtly political messages in every match that would be different but there's nothing wrong with being a bit topical every now and then.
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I disagree with Freethinker. I thought it was a witty banner that was relevant to the opposition we were playing. As for restricting the messages that are displayed does that mean any comments on the state of the modern game in banners should also be considered taboo? If Brigada were displaying overtly political messages in every match that would be different but there's nothing wrong with being a bit topical every now and then.
Comments on the state of the modern game would be relevant to football. Politics and religion aren't.
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I notice the anti-fascist symbol in claret and blue colours to the left of the main banner. Whilst I am as opposed to fascism as the next man, there is something about overtly political banners at Villa Park that I find uncomfortable. I really don't like mixing politics and football. And you can't spell grandad.
Opposition to Facism is not a new thing where we are concerned and when it rears it's ugly head an overt protest of this kind is to be welcomed.
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Is opposing fascism politics or just an expression of morality?
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I notice the anti-fascist symbol in claret and blue colours to the left of the main banner. Whilst I am as opposed to fascism as the next man, there is something about overtly political banners at Villa Park that I find uncomfortable. I really don't like mixing politics and football. And you can't spell grandad.
Can't agree in this case. Fascism should be challenged wherever it raises its ugly head. Di Canio is an avowed fascist and his presence sends a bad signal that such views are tolerated. The far right should not for one minute think that football is fertile ground for them again. I remember the NF at matches. Never again.
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I disagree with Freethinker. I thought it was a witty banner that was relevant to the opposition we were playing. As for restricting the messages that are displayed does that mean any comments on the state of the modern game in banners should also be considered taboo? If Brigada were displaying overtly political messages in every match that would be different but there's nothing wrong with being a bit topical every now and then.
Comments on the state of the modern game would be relevant to football. Politics and religion aren't.
As has already been stated, tell that to the NF and the BNP that have tried to use football to their advantage.
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We're Aston Villa, we sit on the fence.
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I disagree with Freethinker. I thought it was a witty banner that was relevant to the opposition we were playing. As for restricting the messages that are displayed does that mean any comments on the state of the modern game in banners should also be considered taboo? If Brigada were displaying overtly political messages in every match that would be different but there's nothing wrong with being a bit topical every now and then.
Comments on the state of the modern game would be relevant to football. Politics and religion aren't.
As has already been stated, tell that to the NF and the BNP that have tried to use football to their advantage.
I wouldn't be happy if I saw a BNP banner at Villa Park. Or a 'Fuck the Poll Tax' banner. Or an anti-war banner. I just don't think it's the time or the place.
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When is the time and place to protest against the decision of Sunderland Football Club to appoint a Fascist as manager?
I'd say a match against Sunderland Football Club is the best bet.
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The poll tax has no relevance to football. The opposition manger being a fascist does.
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The manner in which the banner is written is I think aimed at Sunderland fans and players. What say do they have in who is the manager of their club? If it was the intention to show an anti-fascist remark against Di Canio why not just have something directed purely at him?
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The manner in which the banner is written is I think aimed at Sunderland fans and players. What say do they have in who is the manager of their club? If it was the intention to show an anti-fascist remark against Di Canio why not just have something directed purely at him?
It was a play on a song lyric.
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I hear that Dave Whelan is a Tory donor but I will resist the temptation to fly a red flag when we play at Wigan.
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I hear that Dave Whelan is a Tory donor but I will resist the temptation to fly a red flag when we play at Wigan.
But that's your choice, we decided as a group we wanted to make a statement as we did at Swindon.
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If Villa appointed such a man, it wouldn't drive me away from MY club, but I wouldn't be singing his name either. I was disappointed by how many Sunderland fans were happy to do so after 2 wins. I am therefore quite happy for a message to be sent to them that makes them think about whether they really want to sell their grandfathers for a couple of good results.
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I hear that Dave Whelan is a Tory donor but I will resist the temptation to fly a red flag when we play at Wigan.
I don't like the Tories, but it's hardly the same as Fascism.
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I hear that Dave Whelan is a Tory donor but I will resist the temptation to fly a red flag when we play at Wigan.
I don't like the Tories, but it's hardly the same as Fascism.
Pretty close to it though.
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I hear that Dave Whelan is a Tory donor but I will resist the temptation to fly a red flag when we play at Wigan.
I don't like the Tories, but it's hardly the same as Fascism.
Pretty close to it though.
No, not pretty close. Adolf Hitler or Mussolini would not hang out with Nick Clegg. They would hang Nick Clegg.
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I hear that Dave Whelan is a Tory donor but I will resist the temptation to fly a red flag when we play at Wigan.
I don't like the Tories, but it's hardly the same as Fascism.
Pretty close to it though.
No, not pretty close. Adolf Hitler or Mussolini would not hang out with Nick Clegg. They would hang Nick Clegg.
Not all bad then? ;-)
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Can they disembowel Gove for me?
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I think freethinker might be the steward who tried to pull the banner down on Monday because it was political!
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Grandad.
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Grandad.
Granddad
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Grandad. Age-related.
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I still don't get it. So, Di Canio shoots fascists? That's good isn't it? Do we like Di Canio now?
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Grandad. Age-related.
Usually granddads are :)
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I hear that Dave Whelan is a Tory donor but I will resist the temptation to fly a red flag when we play at Wigan.
I don't like the Tories, but it's hardly the same as Fascism.
Pretty close to it though.
It isn't, though.
I am sure there are people with views tending towards that extreme in the Conservative Party, but really, the Tory party is a right of centre mainstream party, and one which respects and operates within the democratic system.
*washes mouth out with soap*
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Both spellings are valid I think:
granddad |ˈgranˌdad| (also grandad) noun informal - one's grandfather.
grandad |ˈgranˌdad|, Noun - variant spelling of granddad .
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Was it A Clive Dunn tribute then?
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I think freethinker might be the steward who tried to pull the banner down on Monday because it was political!
I'm not a steward and I wouldn't have pulled the banner down anyway. I see from your website that you've been putting 'Aston Villa Anti-Fascists' stickers around Birmingham, using the classic 80s Villa badge for the design. Hardly a one-off protest against Di Canio then?
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I think freethinker might be the steward who tried to pull the banner down on Monday because it was political!
I'm not a steward and I wouldn't have pulled the banner down anyway. I see from your website that you've been putting 'Aston Villa Anti-Fascists' stickers around Birmingham, using the classic 80s Villa badge for the design. Hardly a one-off protest against Di Canio then?
Surely if you're as "against fascism as the next man" you'll applaud such action.
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Grandad.
Granddad
...you're lovely, that's what we all think of you...
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I'm opposed to fascism and I kind of admire them for getting off their arses and acting on their convictions. I don't see what the Aston Villa badge has to do with it though.
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Grandad.
Granddad
...you're lovely, that's what we all think of you...
I can't be sure, but I think you may be mixing together Grandad and Grandma We Love You. Either way, thanks a lot for putting both songs in my head!
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I'm opposed to fascism and I kind of admire them for getting off their arses and acting on their convictions. I don't see what the Aston Villa badge has to do with it though.
Because they're Villa supporters.
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Grandad.
Granddad
...you're lovely, that's what we all think of you...
I can't be sure, but I think you may be mixing together Grandad and Grandma We Love You. Either way, thanks a lot for putting both songs in my head!
You're thinking of "there's no one quite like grandma" by St Winifred's School Choir while I was quoting the Clive Dunne classic.
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I'm opposed to fascism and I kind of admire them for getting off their arses and acting on their convictions. I don't see what the Aston Villa badge has to do with it though.
Because they're Villa supporters.
Have you ever felt the need to wear a Villa badge with the words 'Football Club' replaced by your favourite political party / campaign / slogan?
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I'm opposed to fascism and I kind of admire them for getting off their arses and acting on their convictions. I don't see what the Aston Villa badge has to do with it though.
Because they're Villa supporters.
Have you ever felt the need to wear a Villa badge with the words 'Football Club' replaced by your favourite political party / campaign / slogan?
Not particularly, but if someone wants to do such a worthwhile thing I don't have a problem with it.
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I'm opposed to fascism and I kind of admire them for getting off their arses and acting on their convictions. I don't see what the Aston Villa badge has to do with it though.
Because they're Villa supporters.
Have you ever felt the need to wear a Villa badge with the words 'Football Club' replaced by your favourite political party / campaign / slogan?
Not particularly, but if someone wants to do such a worthwhile thing I don't have a problem with it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we not all stand shoulder to shoulder with other Villa fans of different race, religion, beliefs, sexuality, skin colour etc and support the same team? Isn't that a good enough reason to be a Villa anti-fascist ?
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Grandad.
Granddad
...you're lovely, that's what we all think of you...
I can't be sure, but I think you may be mixing together Grandad and Grandma We Love You. Either way, thanks a lot for putting both songs in my head!
You're thinking of "there's no one quite like grandma" by St Winifred's School Choir while I was quoting the Clive Dunne classic.
Is this still a spelling thread or are we saying that St Winifred's School Choir were responsible for annexing the Sudetenland?
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Grandad.
Granddad
...you're lovely, that's what we all think of you...
I can't be sure, but I think you may be mixing together Grandad and Grandma We Love You. Either way, thanks a lot for putting both songs in my head!
You're thinking of "there's no one quite like grandma" by St Winifred's School Choir while I was quoting the Clive Dunne classic.
Is this still a spelling thread or are we saying that St Winifred's School Choir were responsible for annexing the Sudetenland?
There's no one quite like Grandma
You always understand
We'd do just anything for you
Like annexing the Sudetenland
"There's No one Quite Like Grandma" (reputed missing verse)
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Grandma we love you
Grandma we do
Though you may be far away
Maybe killing a Jew
"Grandma We Love You" Original Version.
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I was part of the Villa FAN (Fans Against Nazis) in the late-70's and early 80's - there were many Villans passionately opposed to extreme right wing politics - although a majority were lefties some weren't. Saw off the NF and BNP-types selling magazines outside the Holte and confronted racist chanting. Maybe people forget, or not born, when vile racist chanting was commonplace
Took it to Chelsea when they turned up in Digbeth for their Young NF rally and ran them off the streets after they had assaulted Aston residents for being "Asian".
Black and White
Unite and Fight
Smash the (insert unpleasant faction as appropriate)
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I was part of the Villa FAN (Fans Against Nazis) in the late-70's and early 80's - there were many Villans passionately opposed to extreme right wing politics - although a majority were lefties some weren't. Saw off the NF and BNP-types selling magazines outside the Holte and confronted racist chanting. Maybe people forget, or not born, when vile racist chanting was commonplace
Took it to Chelsea when they turned up in Digbeth for their Young NF rally and ran them off the streets after they had assaulted Aston residents for being "Asian".
Black and White
Unite and Fight
Smash the (insert unpleasant faction as appropriate)
Fair play to FAN - I hadn't actually heard of that grouping before, though I do recall a mention of the Chelsea incident by Danny Brown in the Villains book.
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Fair play to FAN - I hadn't actually heard of that grouping before, though I do recall a mention of the Chelsea incident by Danny Brown in the Villains book.
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That day was quite strange as we didn't know Danny and the firm were "in town" or we would have linked up. I don't think they were specifically there to do the NF - it was just luck they bumped into Webster and his bully boys. We knew Tindall was coming nowhere near Brum.
I was with a bunch of like-minded fellas from Stourbridge with a couple of Dingles, an Evertonian and even Geordie Jim - none of us were firm but we had been active. We went to stop racists. The Chelsea had smashed up Aston shops after our match the year before. I had a run-in with the Headhunters that day when they tried their "lone-wolf" tactic on me and my mate.
Over the decades I have tried to challenge extremism whenever I have encountered it (of all inclinations). These days I prefer to to act in peace and to use rational argument, education and positive personal actions over violence but I did learn from those who stood against fascism from the 30's onwards (sickeningly there was still virulent anti-semitism in the UK after WW2) that there comes the day you have to put your good looks on the line even if it scares the shit out of you.
Di Canio is a self-serving prick who seemed to enjoy the notoriety of fascism until it bit him on the ass - like so many others...
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It is good to see that the majority of fans feel that overt fascists should be challenged.
Remember 1938, http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2992913,00.html
And we won the game, win win.
GEGEN NAZIS
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Remember 1938
Good point!
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I notice the anti-fascist symbol in claret and blue colours to the left of the main banner. Whilst I am as opposed to fascism as the next man, there is something about overtly political banners at Villa Park that I find uncomfortable. I really don't like mixing politics and football. And you can't spell grandad.
Can't agree in this case. Fascism should be challenged wherever it raises its ugly head. Di Canio is an avowed fascist and his presence sends a bad signal that such views are tolerated. The far right should not for one minute think that football is fertile ground for them again. I remember the NF at matches. Never again.
I agree with Hillbilly.
Besides, Di Canio has mixed football with politics in the past, so I see no problem in replying to that.